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Subject: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: The Valley Goth on 07/17/13 at 2:49 am

Like, Hi, Fer Shurr,

Psychadellic America would have embraced a 1966, 1967, 1968, or 1969 re-release of Walt Disney's "Alice in Wonderland", but what did The Disney Company do?  They WAITED until 1974 to re-release the most psychadellic Disney movie of all time! 

Does anybody know why the execs made such a weird decision, when a 1960s American public would have been totally enthusiastic about a 1960s re-release of "AiW"?  Were they afraid of parents having to explain that the hookah-smoking caterpillar was doing exactly what their children's big sisters and brothers were in TROUBLE for doing...in dark basements...with supposed Hippies?  How were the hookah-smoking teens of 1974 any LESS of a bad influence than those of, say, 1969? 

Speaking of 1969, The Disney Company re-released their NEXT most psychadellic movie, "Peter Pan", during THAT year, but poor "Alice" had to wait until 1974 to make a return to the big screen.  Weird...
:o


Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/17/13 at 3:28 am

From wiki:

"Almost two decades after its original release, after the North American success of George Dunning's animated film Yellow Submarine (1968), Disney's version of Alice in Wonderland suddenly found itself in vogue with the times. In fact, because of Mary Blair's art direction and the long-standing association of Carroll's Alice in Wonderland with the drug culture, the feature was re-discovered as something of a "head film" (along with Fantasia and The Three Caballeros) among the college-aged and was shown in various college towns across the country. The Disney company resisted this association, and even withdrew prints of the film from universities, but then, in 1974, the Disney company gave Alice in Wonderland its first theatrical re-release ever, and the company even promoted it as a film in tune with the "psychedelic" times (mostly from the hit song "White Rabbit" performed by Jefferson Airplane). This re-release was successful enough to warrant a subsequent re-release in 1981. Its first UK re-release was on July 26, 1979."

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Mat1991 on 07/17/13 at 7:21 pm

Plus, Alice In Wonderland was a disappointment for Disney at the time it was first released, so it's understandable they'd be hesitant to re-release it.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 07/17/13 at 7:31 pm

I never thought of Alice in Wonderland as a children's story. If you have read the original, it is far from being a children's story. I know Lewis Carroll did not do drugs but I think the entire story-along with Through The Looking Glass, are just so in depth and has so much meaning that children couldn't possibly get its meaning.



Cat

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: gibbo on 07/17/13 at 9:39 pm

Alice would not have been safe in the 60's!

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/18/13 at 6:37 am


I never thought of Alice in Wonderland as a children's story. If you have read the original, it is far from being a children's story. I know Lewis Carroll did not do drugs but I think the entire story-along with Through The Looking Glass, are just so in depth and has so much meaning that children couldn't possibly get its meaning.



Cat


Alice went through the looking glass just to find a new dimension.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Goodogbadog on 07/18/13 at 9:08 pm


Like, Hi, Fer Shurr,

Psychadellic America would have embraced a 1966, 1967, 1968, or 1969 re-release of Walt Disney's "Alice in Wonderland", but what did The Disney Company do?  They WAITED until 1974 to re-release the most psychadellic Disney movie of all time! 

Does anybody know why the execs made such a weird decision, when a 1960s American public would have been totally enthusiastic about a 1960s re-release of "AiW"?  Were they afraid of parents having to explain that the hookah-smoking caterpillar was doing exactly what their children's big sisters and brothers were in TROUBLE for doing...in dark basements...with supposed Hippies?  How were the hookah-smoking teens of 1974 any LESS of a bad influence than those of, say, 1969? 

Speaking of 1969, The Disney Company re-released their NEXT most psychadellic movie, "Peter Pan", during THAT year, but poor "Alice" had to wait until 1974 to make a return to the big screen.  Weird...
:o


It seems to me that the second half of the '60s was the first part of the psychedelic era, but it did continue on, so maybe they didn't feel that they had a stable market until later.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Goodogbadog on 07/18/13 at 9:36 pm


I never thought of Alice in Wonderland as a children's story. If you have read the original, it is far from being a children's story. I know Lewis Carroll did not do drugs but I think the entire story-along with Through The Looking Glass, are just so in depth and has so much meaning that children couldn't possibly get its meaning.



Cat


Some random thoughts about that: It was written for children, and it has all kinds of imaginary creatures and characters in it, which kids supposedly like, and it bounces from one scene to another without much concern for plot, which sometimes doesn't bother kids (ever listen to them when they are playing, making up stories?)  and as I understand it, kids did like it. (I just looked in Wikipedia and it said that Lewis Carroll (Somebody Dodgson) made up the stories on a couple of row-boat rides, on a little river in England, spinning the story straight from his imagination to three little girls, children of another passenger on the boat or something, and they liked it so well that he came home and wrote them down!)  It seems to me that people in the Victorian age didn't care as much about children's psychology and psychological well-being as we do now. I think if that story were written now, no one would publish it!!  It seems that for the kids then, a story that contained strange events, weird characters and animals was supposedly just delightful.  I never read it much to my kids, and I don't recall them particularly liking it.  But adults and kids always have apparently! Many children's stories such as Stuart Little and Charlotte's Web are successful because they also appeal to the adults who are reading the stories out loud to the kids. A.A. Milne's "Winnie-the-Pooh" stories are delightful to adult readers as well as kids (they're whimsical and subtle, not like the Disney adaptations.)  As far as what it really means, um, I don't think I got that even the last time I read it! It's always given me the creeps!!  Give me "Charlotte's Web" any day!! When I was a girl, I liked The Secret Garden and Anne of Green Gables! Realistic stories about real people! Oh, and don't forget about Nancy Drew!!

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/19/13 at 3:16 pm

So what if Alice In Wonderland was released during the disco era (1975-1980), would it been different?  ???

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/21/13 at 2:58 pm


What a great thought! A Disco version of Alice In Wonderland! 

Well, there were plenty of hippie types getting high in that era!!



and a lot of disco music and disco balls.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: yearofthemonkey on 07/23/13 at 5:56 am


So what if Alice In Wonderland was released during the disco era (1975-1980), would it been different?  ???


They would probably want to wait until people forgot about the Bud Townshend version.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/23/13 at 6:34 am


They would probably want to wait until people forgot about the Bud Townshend version.


Who's Bud Townshend?  ???

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: yearofthemonkey on 07/23/13 at 8:22 am


Who's Bud Townshend?  ???


The director of "Alice in Wonderland: An X-rated Musical Fantasy" which was released in 1976.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/24/13 at 7:02 am

and let's say that for example that Alice In Wonderland was released in the 1980's?

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Mushroom on 07/24/13 at 3:58 pm


So what if Alice In Wonderland was released during the disco era (1975-1980), would it been different?  ???


http://jonmwessel.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/alice_in_wonderland_76.jpg?w=523


and let's say that for example that Alice In Wonderland was released in the 1980's?


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XMi5UyOFL.jpg

This version really did have an all-star cast.  Everybody from Red Buttons to Roddy McDowell.  I had saved this to video when it was broadcast, and my daughter pretty much played it to death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_(1985_film)

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: The Valley Goth on 07/25/13 at 1:36 am

Like, Hi, Fer Shurr,

Thanks for the cool responses.  I should've thought to read Wikipedia's "AiW" page before I asked all of those questions.  Sorry.

I remember that X-rated poster from the internet.  When I first saw that poster, I had been searching on Google for "1975 Alice in Wonderland".  LOL!

The two most disturbing film versions of the story of Alice in Wonderland have to be the 1949 movie, and the 1988 film festival movie.
8)

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/25/13 at 1:50 am

One more version of "Alice In Wonderland", "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" a 1972 British musical film based on the Lewis Carroll novel of the same name. It had an all star cast (including Peter Sellers), and John Barry composed the score. In 1973, the film won the BAFTA Film Award at the BAFTA Awards Ceremony for Best Cinematography, won by Geoffrey Unsworth, and Best Costume Design, won by Anthony Mendleson.Stuart Freeborn created make-up for the film based closely on the original John Tenniel drawings in the first edition of the novel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e5/Alice-poster-1972.jpg/220px-Alice-poster-1972.jpg

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/25/13 at 3:06 pm


http://jonmwessel.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/alice_in_wonderland_76.jpg?w=523

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XMi5UyOFL.jpg

This version really did have an all-star cast.  Everybody from Red Buttons to Roddy McDowell.  I had saved this to video when it was broadcast, and my daughter pretty much played it to death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_(1985_film)


Holy Smokes!  :o They actually made an x-rated musical comedy out of this story?  ;D

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Mushroom on 07/25/13 at 3:34 pm


Holy Smokes!  :o They actually made an x-rated musical comedy out of this story?  ;D


They sure did, staring Kristine DeBell who was more famous 3 years later when she was in the Bill Murray hit "Meatballs".  Then a year after that she was Jackie Chan's girlfriend in "The Big Brawl".

Interestingly enough however, it seems she is trying a come-back, appearing in a movie earlier this year with Johnny Whitaker no less!

And yes, they have made X-rated movies based on almost everything, from Back To The Future to My Fair Lady.  Nothing is sacred or safe from the Porn industry.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/26/13 at 4:12 am

By the way, today (July 26th) in 1951 so the premiere in London, England of Walt Disney's 13th animated film, "Alice in Wonderland".

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/26/13 at 3:28 pm

And yes, they have made X-rated movies based on almost everything, from Back To The Future to My Fair Lady.  Nothing is sacred or safe from the Porn industry.

and don't forget Snow White as well which was made into a porn film too.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/26/13 at 3:29 pm


By the way, today (July 26th) in 1951 so the premiere in London, England of Walt Disney's 13th animated film, "Alice in Wonderland".


Happy 52nd anniversary.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: warped on 07/26/13 at 3:32 pm


and don't forget Snow White as well which was made into a porn film too.


Oh Yeah...that was fun.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Mushroom on 07/26/13 at 3:56 pm


and don't forget Snow White as well which was made into a porn film too.


Almost everything has been made into a porn movie.  Everything from Gililgan's Island and King Kong to Forrest Gump and Heaven Can Wait has been made into a porn movie.

Heck, we have even had a porn movie based upon the 8 page "Tijuana Bibles" of the 1930's and 1940's.  Absolutely nothing is safe from porn.

http://wrongsideoftheart.com/wp-content/gallery/posters-e/erotic_adventures_of_pinocchio_poster_01.jpg

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/26/13 at 5:44 pm


Almost everything has been made into a porn movie.  Everything from Gililgan's Island and King Kong to Forrest Gump and Heaven Can Wait has been made into a porn movie.

Heck, we have even had a porn movie based upon the 8 page "Tijuana Bibles" of the 1930's and 1940's.  Absolutely nothing is safe from porn.

http://wrongsideoftheart.com/wp-content/gallery/posters-e/erotic_adventures_of_pinocchio_poster_01.jpg


Oh Wow! :o ;D

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Starde on 07/26/13 at 6:24 pm


Almost everything has been made into a porn movie.  Everything from Gililgan's Island and King Kong to Forrest Gump and Heaven Can Wait has been made into a porn movie.

Heck, we have even had a porn movie based upon the 8 page "Tijuana Bibles" of the 1930's and 1940's.  Absolutely nothing is safe from porn.

http://wrongsideoftheart.com/wp-content/gallery/posters-e/erotic_adventures_of_pinocchio_poster_01.jpg



Whhhhaaaaa... :o

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Mushroom on 07/26/13 at 6:30 pm


Oh Wow! :o ;D


Is it me, or has this turned into almost a revival of a joke thread I started about 7 years ago?

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=23623.msg1096502#msg1096502

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Foo Bar on 07/26/13 at 11:44 pm


Is it me, or has this turned into almost a revival of a joke thread I started about 7 years ago?

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=23623.msg1096502#msg1096502


If you wait long enough, everything old is new again.  It only took 30 years for it to reboot itself as the "DEFINITELY NOT THE (popular-movie-or-tv-show): AN XXX PARODY" genre.

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: The Valley Goth on 07/27/13 at 12:20 am

Like, Hi, Fer Shurr,

I believe that I actually have that rendition of "AiW"! 

I'm still trying to figure out which stage production of "Alice in Wonderland" lent a photo from one of its scenes to an old school math book that I used to have.  The text from the math book was a word problem about a family buying tickets at certain prices for "the play".

Did anybody else have that math book?
8)



One more version of "Alice In Wonderland", "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" a 1972 British musical film based on the Lewis Carroll novel of the same name. It had an all star cast (including Peter Sellers), and John Barry composed the score. In 1973, the film won the BAFTA Film Award at the BAFTA Awards Ceremony for Best Cinematography, won by Geoffrey Unsworth, and Best Costume Design, won by Anthony Mendleson.Stuart Freeborn created make-up for the film based closely on the original John Tenniel drawings in the first edition of the novel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e5/Alice-poster-1972.jpg/220px-Alice-poster-1972.jpg

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/27/13 at 2:44 am

There was another production of "Alice in Wonderland" made for TV in 1966 by Jonathan Miller and again starred Peter Sellers. Click om poster for link.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/48/Alice_in_Wonderland_1966_DVD.jpg/220px-Alice_in_Wonderland_1966_DVD.jpg

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/27/13 at 3:05 pm



Whhhhaaaaa... :o


I'm guessing you haven't seen this erotic tale yet?  ;D

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/27/13 at 3:10 pm


There was another production of "Alice in Wonderland" made for TV in 1966 by Jonathan Miller and again starred Peter Sellers. Click om poster for link.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/48/Alice_in_Wonderland_1966_DVD.jpg/220px-Alice_in_Wonderland_1966_DVD.jpg


So how many versions altogether were there? ???

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/29/13 at 3:01 am


So how many versions altogether were there? ???
From wiki:

"Stage adaptations

    Alice in Wonderland (Charles), Gerard Charles' 2005–06 ballet on his BalletMet
    Alice in Wonderland (musical), 1886 musical by H. Saville Clark and Walter Slaughter
    Alice in Wonderland (opera), 2007 opera by Unsuk Chin and David Henry Hwang
    Alice in Wonderland, 2006 opera by Peter Westergaard
    Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (ballet) by Christopher Wheeldon (2011)

Film and television

    Alice in Wonderland (1903 film), silent motion picture
    Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1910 film), silent motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1915 film), silent motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1931 film), motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1933 film), motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1949 film), part live action motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1951 film), Disney animated film
    Alice in Wonderland (Kalabis), a Czech ballet film
    Alice of Wonderland in Paris, 1966 animated movie
    Alice in Wonderland (1966 TV play), made for TV film
    Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1972 film), musical motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1976 film), X-rated musical
    Alisa v Zazerkale, 1981 animated film
    Alice in Wonderland (1983 film), TV film based on Broadway play
    Fushigi no Kuni no Alice, 1983 anime adaptation
    Alice in Wonderland (1985 film), made for television film
    Alice (1988 film), stop-motion adaptation by Jan Svenkmajer
    Alice in Wonderland (1988 film), an animated film
    Adventures in Wonderland, live-action television series
    Alice Through the Looking Glass (1998 film), a British film
    Alice in Wonderland (1999 film), made for television film
    Alice in Wonderland (2005 film), Malayalam-language film
    Alice (2009 miniseries), a modern interpretation TV miniseries broadcast on Syfy
    Alice in Wonderland (2010 film), Disney film directed by Tim Burton"

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Howard on 07/29/13 at 6:45 am


From wiki:

"Stage adaptations

    Alice in Wonderland (Charles), Gerard Charles' 2005–06 ballet on his BalletMet
    Alice in Wonderland (musical), 1886 musical by H. Saville Clark and Walter Slaughter
    Alice in Wonderland (opera), 2007 opera by Unsuk Chin and David Henry Hwang
    Alice in Wonderland, 2006 opera by Peter Westergaard
    Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (ballet) by Christopher Wheeldon (2011)

Film and television

    Alice in Wonderland (1903 film), silent motion picture
    Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1910 film), silent motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1915 film), silent motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1931 film), motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1933 film), motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1949 film), part live action motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1951 film), Disney animated film
    Alice in Wonderland (Kalabis), a Czech ballet film
    Alice of Wonderland in Paris, 1966 animated movie
    Alice in Wonderland (1966 TV play), made for TV film
    Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1972 film), musical motion picture
    Alice in Wonderland (1976 film), X-rated musical
    Alisa v Zazerkale, 1981 animated film
    Alice in Wonderland (1983 film), TV film based on Broadway play
    Fushigi no Kuni no Alice, 1983 anime adaptation
    Alice in Wonderland (1985 film), made for television film
    Alice (1988 film), stop-motion adaptation by Jan Svenkmajer
    Alice in Wonderland (1988 film), an animated film
    Adventures in Wonderland, live-action television series
    Alice Through the Looking Glass (1998 film), a British film
    Alice in Wonderland (1999 film), made for television film
    Alice in Wonderland (2005 film), Malayalam-language film
    Alice (2009 miniseries), a modern interpretation TV miniseries broadcast on Syfy
    Alice in Wonderland (2010 film), Disney film directed by Tim Burton"


So Alice In Wonderland goes back 110 years in film?  :o

Subject: Re: Why WASN'T "Alice in Wonderland" re-released during the psychedelic 60s?

Written By: Philip Eno on 05/12/14 at 12:43 pm


So Alice In Wonderland goes back 110 years in film?  :o
I had a headache went I came out of the Tim Burton Alice In Wonderland, it was caused by the 3D.

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