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Subject: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/19/15 at 3:20 pm

The Symphony No. 9 in D minor, Op. 125 (also known as "the Choral"), is Ludwig van Beethoven's final complete symphony. Completed in 1824, the symphony is one of the best-known works in classical music. Among critics, it is almost universally considered Beethoven's greatest work, and many consider it one of the greatest compositions in the western musical canon.

The symphony was the first example of a major composer using voices in a symphony (thus making it a choral symphony). The words are sung during the final movement by four vocal soloists and a chorus. They were taken from the "Ode to Joy", a poem written by Friedrich Schiller in 1785 and revised in 1803, with additions made by the composer. Today, it stands as one of the most played symphonies in the world.

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Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/19/15 at 3:23 pm

I wonder if you know more about 1700s and 1800s music, Philip. Was there ever a 'bad' or stagnant era for music during those days? 

I don't know anything about music before 1910.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/19/15 at 3:29 pm


I wonder if you know more about 1700s and 1800s music, Philip. Was there ever a 'bad' or stagnant era for music during those days? 

I don't know anything about music before 1910.
Back then, the classical music was for the upper circles of society, and not reaching the lower classes.

One quote,  and I do not know who originally said it sums it up for me.

"Mozart wrote his music to pay the rent, Beethoven wrote his music to be remembered."

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/19/15 at 3:31 pm


Back then, the classical music was for the upper circles of society, and not reaching the lower classes.

One quote,  and I do not know who originally said it sums it up for me.

"Mozart wrote his music to pay the rent, Beethoven wrote his music to be remembered."


So there was no 'popular' music for the masses? Only for upper classes?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/19/15 at 3:32 pm


So there was no 'popular' music for the masses? Only for upper classes?
Music had it variety, the poor had country jigs to dance to.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/19/15 at 3:35 pm

Good enough explanations for me. Thank you.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/19/15 at 4:18 pm

Also, it has to be understood the Beethoven at the time if composing his 9th Symphony was completely deaf.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/19/15 at 4:22 pm


Also, it has to be understood the Beethoven at the time if composing his 9th Symphony was completely deaf.


He must have been instilled with talent from the Gods.  :o

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/19/15 at 4:25 pm


He must have been instilled with talent from the Gods.  :o
He was a complete genius.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/20/15 at 9:02 am


So there was no 'popular' music for the masses? Only for upper classes?
I forgot to mention there was music in churches for religious purposes.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/20/15 at 9:48 am


I forgot to mention there was music in churches for religious purposes.


Hallelujah!

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/20/15 at 10:13 am


Hallelujah!
...the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah was much earlier.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/20/15 at 10:21 am


Hallelujah!

...the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah was much earlier.
Which has been around mentioned in 1741: The Year In Music.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/20/15 at 1:24 pm


Also, it has to be understood the Beethoven at the time if composing his 9th Symphony was completely deaf.


Did he compose his 5th Symphony? ???

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/20/15 at 1:27 pm


Did he compose his 5th Symphony? ???
Yes, he completed in 1808.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/20/15 at 6:07 pm

I heard that Beethoven could be kind of cranky sometimes. I think that he was mad he was going deaf. I'd be a bit cranky too.  ::)  ::)

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/21/15 at 6:20 am


I heard that Beethoven could be kind of cranky sometimes. I think that he was mad he was going deaf. I'd be a bit cranky too.  ::)  ::)
Beethoven never married, reasons why are not known, and liked his walks in the countryside, but was inspired by them walks. He was obsessed with the number of beans to make his cup of coffee, the number had to be right, no more, no less.

BTW, I must look up more on his personal life.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/21/15 at 1:23 pm


I heard that Beethoven could be kind of cranky sometimes. I think that he was mad he was going deaf. I'd be a bit cranky too.  ::)  ::)


Wasn't he wearing his hearing aid?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/21/15 at 1:24 pm


Beethoven never married, reasons why are not known, and liked his walks in the countryside, but was inspired by them walks. He was obsessed with the number of beans to make his cup of coffee, the number had to be right, no more, no less.

BTW, I must look up more on his personal life.


So he was a bit OCD?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/21/15 at 1:26 pm


Wasn't he wearing his hearing aid?
It was ear trumpets in those days, I have to find out if he had one.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/21/15 at 1:37 pm


Wasn't he wearing his hearing aid?


http://www.beethoven-haus-bonn.de/sixcms/media.php/74/hoerrohre.jpg

Beethoven had been increasingly battling hearing difficulties since he was thirty. In 1813 he had Johann Nepomuk Mälzel, an inventor of mechanical devices, produce several ear trumpets. They did not, however, prove very useful. Yet for a long time he placed his hopes on "hearing machines".

The Beethoven Haas Museum is in Bonn, Germany.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/21/15 at 7:54 pm


Wasn't he wearing his hearing aid?


What Philip said, I don't know anything about Beethoven.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/21/15 at 7:55 pm


http://www.beethoven-haus-bonn.de/sixcms/media.php/74/hoerrohre.jpg

Beethoven had been increasingly battling hearing difficulties since he was thirty. In 1813 he had Johann Nepomuk Mälzel, an inventor of mechanical devices, produce several ear trumpets. They did not, however, prove very useful. Yet for a long time he placed his hopes on "hearing machines".

The Beethoven Haas Museum is in Bonn, Germany.


Why did he steadily become deaf?  ???

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/22/15 at 10:41 am


Why did he steadily become deaf?  ???
From:

"Around 1796, by the age of 26, Beethoven began to lose his hearing. He suffered from a severe form of tinnitus, a "ringing" in his ears that made it hard for him to hear music; he also tried to avoid conversations. The cause of Beethoven's deafness is unknown, but it has variously been attributed to typhus, auto-immune disorders (such as systemic lupus erythematosus), and even his habit of immersing his head in cold water to stay awake. The explanation from Beethoven's autopsy was that he had a "distended inner ear," which developed lesions over time."

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/22/15 at 1:26 pm


It was ear trumpets in those days, I have to find out if he had one.


Do they still sell ear trumpets?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/22/15 at 6:01 pm

Basically, the 1700s and 1800s are just the best times for classical music. Even though nobody ever complain on how bad it is, since nobody really founded any of Beethoven's fan letters. Or, maybe nobody really knows where he lived (even though he mostly lived in Germany and Austria, that's what I know).

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/23/15 at 7:05 am


Basically, the 1700s and 1800s are just the best times for classical music.
For me it is, The crossover from the Classical Era to the Romantic Era.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/23/15 at 8:53 am


Even though nobody ever complain on how bad it is, since nobody really founded any of Beethoven's fan letters.


Beethoven lived at the time of no fan base societies.

Out of interest the first 'star performer' of the Romantic Era was composer, virtuoso pianist, conductor Franz Liszt, when he performed it was sold concerts and he was mobbed like rock stars today.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/23/15 at 9:27 am


From:

"Around 1796, by the age of 26, Beethoven began to lose his hearing. He suffered from a severe form of tinnitus, a "ringing" in his ears that made it hard for him to hear music; he also tried to avoid conversations. The cause of Beethoven's deafness is unknown, but it has variously been attributed to typhus, auto-immune disorders (such as systemic lupus erythematosus), and even his habit of immersing his head in cold water to stay awake. The explanation from Beethoven's autopsy was that he had a "distended inner ear," which developed lesions over time."


I really like music history. This was interesante.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/23/15 at 9:30 am


I really like music history. This was interesante.
I wish I studied music when I was younger, but back then I would never know the knowledge I would learn as now.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/23/15 at 3:25 pm


Beethoven lived at the time of no fan base societies.

Out of interest the first 'star performer' of the Romantic Era was composer, virtuoso pianist, conductor Franz Liszt, when he performed it was sold concerts and he was mobbed like rock stars today.


How would he feel if he had a Facebook or Twitter account today?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/23/15 at 3:42 pm


How would he feel if he had a Facebook or Twitter account today?
Knowing his traits, he would probably shun them.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/23/15 at 4:41 pm


Knowing his traits, he would probably shun them.


He wouldn't like being tweeted?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/23/15 at 4:44 pm


He wouldn't like being tweeted?
No, he seemed to be a loner, I believe he hated other people.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/23/15 at 4:49 pm


Beethoven lived at the time of no fan base societies.

Out of interest the first 'star performer' of the Romantic Era was composer, virtuoso pianist, conductor Franz Liszt, when he performed it was sold concerts and he was mobbed like rock stars today.


Well, they had mail back then. So, some people who were big fans of him possibly tried to send him fan letters (not saying that they did, since there's no evidence proving that he had fan letters).

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/23/15 at 6:33 pm


No, he seemed to be a loner, I believe he hated other people.


I know that it's the truth, but the truth is sometimes funny.  ;D

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: 80sfan on 07/23/15 at 6:34 pm


How would he feel if he had a Facebook or Twitter account today?



:.Beethoven has accepted your friend request:.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/23/15 at 7:14 pm


How would he feel if he had a Facebook or Twitter account today?


For Facebook, I think he would only have a few friends, like Mozart or someone else. For Twitter, I think he'll be tweeting on what's he doing in life and his updates on upcoming symphonies.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/24/15 at 6:42 am


For Facebook, I think he would only have a few friends, like Mozart or someone else. For Twitter, I think he'll be tweeting on what's he doing in life and his updates on upcoming symphonies.
Beethoven did meet Mozart at the age of 16.

http://www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/guides/beethoven-and-mozart/

Beethoven was to busy composing to be tweeting.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/24/15 at 6:58 am


No, he seemed to be a loner, I believe he hated other people.


So he never had friends?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/24/15 at 7:00 am


For Facebook, I think he would only have a few friends, like Mozart or someone else. For Twitter, I think he'll be tweeting on what's he doing in life and his updates on upcoming symphonies.


It would be funny seeing Beethoven doing Twitter. ;D

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/24/15 at 7:10 am


So he never had friends?
He detested the fact when he became guardian to his nephew.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/24/15 at 2:44 pm


He detested the fact when he became guardian to his nephew.


Did he have a family?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/24/15 at 2:47 pm


Did he have a family?
He did not marry, I do not how many siblings.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/25/15 at 6:42 am


He did not marry, I do not how many siblings.


So he just lived alone? ???

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/25/15 at 9:00 am


Beethoven did meet Mozart at the age of 16.

http://www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/guides/beethoven-and-mozart/

Beethoven was to busy composing to be tweeting.


So, I guess Mozart would be one of his friends if they had Facebook.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/25/15 at 9:04 am


So, I guess Mozart would be one of his friends if they had Facebook.
Up to a certain point, Mozart died when Beethoven was 21 in 1791. Beethoven started composing at the age of 12, his major works of symphonies and concertos were composed long after 1791.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/25/15 at 2:00 pm


So, I guess Mozart would be one of his friends if they had Facebook.


What would've he had tweeted about?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/25/15 at 2:02 pm


What would've he had tweeted about?
They music?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/25/15 at 3:14 pm


They music?


He would hashtag alot.

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/25/15 at 3:21 pm


He would hashtag alot.
Was the hashtag invented then?

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/25/15 at 5:39 pm


He would hashtag alot.


#WriteSymphoniesEveryDay

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/26/15 at 2:09 am


He would hashtag alot.
The earliest reference to hashtsag I can see is 1964.

From Wiki:

"Octothorp, octothorpe, octathorp, octatherp
Used by Bell Labs engineers by 1968. Lauren Asplund says that he and a colleague were the source of octothorp at AT&T engineering in New York in 1964. The Merriam-Webster New Book of Word Histories, 1991, has a long article that is consistent with Doug Kerr's essay, in that it says "octotherp" was the original spelling, and that the word arose in the 1960s among telephone engineers as a joke. The first appearance of "octothorp" in a US patent is in a 1973 filing which also refers to the six-pointed asterisk (✻) used on telephone buttons as a "sextile"."

and
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lasplund

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Howard on 07/26/15 at 1:26 pm


Was the hashtag invented then?


I don't think so in the 1800's. ???

Subject: Re: 1824: The Year in Music

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/26/15 at 1:31 pm


I don't think so in the 1800's. ???
Exactly!

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