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Subject: Another School Shooting

Written By: Indy Gent on 04/26/02 at 02:27 p.m.

You would think the world has learned from Columbine and 9/11. But there was another massacre at a German high school. 18 people are known dead and the gunman, a 17-year-old student, also killed himself. Tragic and inexcuseable. My heart goes out to the victims and their families. :'(

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: 80sTrivia on 04/26/02 at 02:58 p.m.

I heard about this earlier on CNN. So very tragic. People in the rest of the world think that this sort of thing can't happen in their country, that it only happens in the US... unfortunately, they are wrong. It just brings back horrid memories of Columbine...  :'(

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Sagnastian on 04/26/02 at 03:44 p.m.

I heard about this on the NGC forums, and I must post this again to see what you people have to say.  So what are they gonna blame it on now?  The music the killer listened to, perhaps the video games he played, or is it the violence in the movies these days?

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Jessica on 04/26/02 at 05:22 p.m.


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I heard about this on the NGC forums, and I must post this again to see what you people have to say.  So what are they gonna blame it on now?  The music the killer listened to, perhaps the video games he played, or is it the violence in the movies these days?
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I agree with you. They'll try to say it was someone else's fault, it was the music, it was a video game, blah, blah, blah. The only person at fault here is the killer and his sick, twisted mind! I do feel badly for all the victim's families and I will pray for them. I guess that's about all we can do for right now.

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Hairspray on 04/26/02 at 08:35 p.m.

I'm of the opinion that some of the responsibility should go to the parents of the child who committed the crime. In one way or another they do share some of the responsibility, even if only in the communication department or lack thereof.

I don't believe that to be the case in suicides. But murder before the fact takes pre-meditation and preparation of a degree to which the parents should have noticed, IMO.

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Indy Gent on 04/26/02 at 08:43 p.m.

I agree somewhat Hairspray. But don't you think that there should have been more security in a school than there is? And what about counseling? How would they know this kid was prone to violent bahavior? And why didn't the parents take away his gun? >:(

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I'm of the opinion that some of the responsibility should go to the parents of the child who committed the crime. In one way or another they do share some of the responsibility, even if only in the communication department or lack thereof.

I don't believe that to be the case in suicides. But murder before the fact takes pre-meditation and preparation of a degree to which the parents should have noticed, IMO.
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Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Hairspray on 04/26/02 at 08:58 p.m.

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I agree somewhat Hairspray. But don't you think that there should have been more security in a school than there is? And what about counseling? How would they know this kid was prone to violent bahavior? And why didn't the parents take away his gun? >:(

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More security? Absolutely.
Counseling? Ditto.

In my previous statement I did say that:

"I'm of the opinion that some of the responsibility should go to the parents of the child who committed the crime."

That was my thought. I'm sure we could debate and speculate on other people and circumstances to blame. But ultimately, it's the parents, the only last hope, who just didn't succeed in helping their child and I hope they did try.

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: lebeiw15 on 04/26/02 at 10:04 p.m.

shootings suck!  everyone is killing someone else these days!! >:(

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Indy Gent on 04/26/02 at 11:32 p.m.

Which is why I asked why the parents didn't try to take the gun away from him. I hope they aren't a couple of German terrorists or secret gun enthuiasts. That would be disastrous. :o

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But ultimately, it's the parents, the only last hope, who just didn't succeed in helping their child and I hope they did try.


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Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Jessica on 04/27/02 at 00:03 a.m.


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shootings suck!  >:(
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You summed it up quite nicely in this little sentence, lebeiW15. :)

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Hairspray on 04/27/02 at 00:35 a.m.

We can all definitely agree on that!!!  :)

That shootings suck, that is.

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Indy Gent on 04/27/02 at 01:31 a.m.

Unless it's our soldiers making Swiss cheese out of Osama bin Laden and the al-Queda terrorists.  ;) Shooting innocent humans always suck. :'(

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We can all definitely agree on that!!!  :)

That shootings suck, that is.
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Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Bobo on 04/27/02 at 01:39 a.m.

I worry more for a younger generation growing up, hearing this all on the news so often (perhaps me included) who see it and think "this is the way other people are living, therefore why can't I follow their lead". Of course, I would not do anything like this, but it must have some bearing on lesser physical and psychological attacks.

If I have overstepped the mark in this post, feel free to delete it.

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Indy Gent on 04/27/02 at 02:31 a.m.

I understand, Bobo. And I have grown up to believe that violence was the norm rather than the exception. I have seen the BBC film of the shootings online, and the way they described the carnage in the school was very graphic. It hard to believe the anchors are reading this information and not throwing up on the air.  :-X

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I worry more for a younger generation growing up, hearing this all on the news so often (perhaps me included) who see it and think "this is the way other people are living, therefore why can't I follow their lead". Of course, I would not do anything like this, but it must have some bearing on lesser physical and psychological attacks.

If I have overstepped the mark in this post, feel free to delete it.
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Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Bobo on 04/27/02 at 02:39 a.m.

Thanks, JC. Is that okay, what I've said? I've tried to remain within board boundaries... but sometimes my words just don't come out right.

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I understand, Bobo. And I have grown up to believe that violence was the norm rather than the exception. I have seen the BBC film of the shootings online, and the way they described the carnage in the school was very graphic. It hard to believe the anchors are reading this information and not throwing up on the air.  :-X

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Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: ThunderVamp9 on 04/27/02 at 08:06 a.m.

And of course, in the words of our favorite board hacker, you do realize this was everyone's fault BUT the shooter, right?

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Alicia. on 04/27/02 at 01:46 p.m.


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I agree somewhat Hairspray. But don't you think that there should have been more security in a school than there is?

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I totally agree! if they can have tons of security now in an airport because of sept. 11 then they should have tons of security like that in the darn schools! you would think that since the school shootings happend tons of times before, that they would actually put More security in the schools. Yes they do have some security maybe like one cop that goes to each school but what is that going to do?
>:(

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: Sagnastian on 04/27/02 at 04:35 p.m.

Speaking out of personal experience.

I was raised up good by my parents taught whats wrong and right.  I may want to do something, but what stops me are the consequences that may follow.  Plus I was raised up in a good neighborhood.  

As a child growing up I listened to that gangsta rap in the early 90s, played the violent video games, and watch the hooror movies.  To me this was all entertainment.  Sure if I watched a horror movie I got scared and ran into my parents room.  But who didn't as a yound child?  
I played the violent games, and the more enemies to kill and the more violent the more I liked the game.  It was entertaining.  I wanted the action.  But that doesn't mean I'm gonna go out and shoot people just because I love to do it in the games.  
As for the music, I'm sure we all had our share of what's out there.  Just because 2pac and others said Fuck the police, not gonna mean am gonna do it.  I have my reasons now though.  Same for the calling females out of their name, that's the rappers opinion and what he thinks.  Doesn't mean I'm gonna do it.

In conclusion, it doesn't matter what's in the media, it's how the person was raised and where.  My prediction, if I was misguided or not raised properly, I may have turn out different.  It's up to the parents to guides ones mind.

Subject: Re: Another School Shooting

Written By: langdon_hughes on 04/27/02 at 11:32 p.m.

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In conclusion, it doesn't matter what's in the media, it's how the person was raised and where.  My prediction, if I was misguided or not raised properly, I may have turn out different.  It's up to the parents to guides ones mind.
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*ahem* <taps mic, checks soapbox>
AMEN! And more than that. It DOES take a villiage, but each individual has their own responsibility to teach a child to communicate. For goodness sake, when a young person is deprived of every means of learning how to express his or her emotions such as writing, performing, painting, CREATING...you know, the humanities or "that which makes us HUMAN", it's an obvious decision to resort to the only thing guaranteed to make an impact and empower the individual: violence.
I worked in a juvie center in Philadelphia and more than once saw the proof that if a child can get a sense of power through communication, they don't still feel the need to resort to physical brutality. (and thank God. some of those kids were big...and mean!)