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Subject: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Bobo (Guest) on 05/19/02 at 02:26 a.m.

Hearing Lasgo's Something brought this topic to mind. Which songs do you think could have been great if perhaps they were performed better, or by someone else?

What about, for example American Pie, by Madonna, which, although a great song, was trapped in the William Orbit phase, hackety-hack stylee.

The Beach Boys song I'm Bugged At My Old Man has an interesting vocal arrangement, humorous, yet personal lyrics, and yet is a bad performance (perhaps due to the undenied comic factor, which leaves Brian and the others in stitches during performance).

Come on guys, think of some other examples.

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/19/02 at 02:39 a.m.

Pretty much all of Joy Division's stuff should be re-recorded with Bernard Sumner at the helm. I like Ian Curtis's voice a lot, but NOBODY has the vocal prowess of New Order's Sumner.

I find it hard to believe Depeche Mode isn't a one-man band. That one man being Martin L. Gore. This guy sounds the same, if not, better than David Gahan (no offense to his vocal ability either since he's better than 99% of the male vocalists out there). Seriously, M. L. Gore has done all the writing, with some few exceptions, and has sung a few times. Just listen to "A Question Of Lust," "Somebody," "World Full Of Nothing," and a few other ones - including his e.p. Conterfeit, which feature some of the best covers I have ever heard. In an interview, M. L. Gore has DeMode in the form of a band because he considers his bandmates his friends, which is a pretty good reason, I guess. I just thought it would be interesting to see how the band would sound if the rest took a brief hiatus...

Tarzan Boy

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/19/02 at 04:55 a.m.

Do you not like the voice of the women who sings 'Something', Bobo? She can sing, but it's not the best voice I've ever heard. I'm thinking the girl who sang 'Rapture' by iio could have had a stronger lead vocal also.

Macy Gray's 'I try' is such a good song - but i hate her voice - it really does annoy me!

I dislike Robbie Williams's stuff, but I thought 'No Regrets' was a fantastic song. He collaborated with Paul Wellar and Neil tennant for that, and I wish I could hear a version of just those two singing the song - seeing how it would compare to Robbie's voice!

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Bobo (Guest) on 05/19/02 at 06:40 a.m.

Robbie Williams holds a special place in my CD collection. Please, bear with me a minute, while I type this.

A while ago, a friend of mine, Ben Davies, died, after having had dodgy kidneys for many years. He was 13 years old. He was only able to attend school one day every week, as he was away in Manchester every other day of the week. When news of his death filtered through (I was one of the first to be informed, as I was one of his closest friends), I was truly, truly gutted. He really lived his life to the full, and enjoyed every second of it.

RIP: Ben Davies
Amy McPherson

May you both find a better life elsewhere, after all, you truly deserve it.

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Bobo (Guest) on 05/19/02 at 06:44 a.m.

Don't know what happened there, must have copied the wrong halves of my message. Anyway...

Ben was truly a massive RW fan, owned many of his songs, posters, et cetera, and truly loved music. He also liked the earlier stuff that Robbie Williams did Pre-Solo. Along with this, he was a great guy, and he was expected to do very well in his exams. Thinking of you, Ben.

Those who are gone, are never truly forgotten.

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/19/02 at 07:11 a.m.

Robbie Williams...wasn't he in the boy-band, Take That, of "Back For Good" fame? I think I actually have that CD floating around somewhere (it's a really good song, IMO). Besides that I think I've only heard 2 of his songs played here: "Millennium" and some other song...I forgot it... They're OK, I guess, but he didn't really catch on around here for long. I heard that in Germany, New Order opened for this guy, which was a surprise to see musical geniuses opening for - Robbie Williams? ? ? I thought the sky was gonna fall!

Tarzan Boy

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/19/02 at 07:50 a.m.

I'm sorry about your loss, Bobo.

Yes, Robbie was in Take That. I wasn't a big fan of them back in the day but 'Back For Good' is a well written song. He is extremely popular in Europe - but I don't see what the fuss is all about really. As I said befiore, No Regrets is the one song I like a lot, that he has done ( with Neil and Paul - two fantastic figs of the 80's ;) - maybe that's why I like it!) . Download it and see what you think Tarzan Boy.

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/19/02 at 09:02 a.m.


Quoting:
Actually, I've already heard it. What? You think I'd miss anything an old New Waver like Neil is doing nowadays? He also worked with Bernard Sumner's side project, Electronic. The songs "Getting Away With It" and "Disappointed" have him doing backing vocals. Great songs! A must for any synthpop fan.

Another thing to look for, if you don't already own it is The Chemical Brother's Surrender album. Their best album yet and features Bernard Sumner's writing and vocals for the song "Out Of Control." I swear, anything this guy touches turns to gold (DJMidas would likely agree with this statement). I wish he'd do a collaboration with Air or Underworld.

As for Robbie Williams being big over there. Hey, I'm still amazed that Kylie Minogue had a long musical career outside of the States. One more mystery that will never be solved...

Tarzan Boy
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I've heard a lot of the Chemical Brothers stuff - but that song doesn't come to mind so I will get a hold of it :)

I tend to like a lot of yours and DJ Midas's tastes - so I'm looking to you two to inform me on stuff I'm missing out on!! I wish i had been born a decade earlier, just so I could have lived through the 80's, but the again, I may have loathed it and disregarded it all. But, seen as I didn't, I rely on people here and through my own research and knowledge to find all the great music :)

Oh and by the way, do you like 'No Regrets' ?

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Bobo (Guest) on 05/19/02 at 09:24 a.m.

Thankyou for caring, Criz. I know it's a sensitive (sensative?) spot for some. I was certainly rambling by the end of that message. I can always rest assured that he truly deserves to be in a better place now. That's one of the true good things I can remember him by.

Quoting:
I'm sorry about your loss, Bobo.
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Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: mrgazpacho on 05/19/02 at 07:02 p.m.


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I'm still amazed that Kylie Minogue had a long musical career outside of the States. One more mystery that will never be solved...End Quote


Given that:
1. She's an Aussie
2. She was a big star in the most popular TV soap shown on British TV;

you'd think she *would* be most popular outside the USA...

What, you think only Americans enjoy mindless manufactured pop?  :P

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: ThunderVamp9 on 05/19/02 at 09:36 p.m.


Quoting:

What, you think only Americans enjoy mindless manufactured pop?  :P
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Condiering how much of it we produce, it's surprising we're not   ;D.  They also say America produces more garbage than any other place in the world.  Considering what mindless manufactured pop is, I'd add it into the amount of garbage we produce.  Truly staggering now...

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Indy Gent on 05/19/02 at 11:31 p.m.

"Pop Goes the Weasel"-3rd Bass
Good idea to dig into Vanilla Ice; bad idea to rip off (sample) "Sledgehammer" by Peter Gabriel.

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/20/02 at 01:37 a.m.


Quoting:
Oh and by the way, do you like 'No Regrets' ?
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When I first heard it, I thought it was Erasure since it has that Andy Bell tone to it (like in Erasure's 90s hit, "Always" - love it!), so I did like it - didn't know Neil had anything to do with it at the time until I read the production notes. Neil is awesome, I mean this is the guy that introduced Boy George, IMO, to the 90s with another hit song, "The Crying Game." I don't mind Robbie Williams as much as other pop artists, but he's definitely the last singer in my mind who would be associated with such great musical talent...

Yeah, I also like DJMidas's personal taste in music. He's a DeMode fan, so you know he can never go wrong and definitely get a hold of the single "Out Of Control." I recognized Sumner's voice immediately.

Tarzan Boy

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Gis on 05/20/02 at 05:32 a.m.

My favorite Robbie Williams would be 'old before I die' and 'Angels'(our song strangly enough considering our musical tastes!?!).As to someone who writes good songs but shouldn't sing them IMO Bob Dylan wins hands down! The dreadful noises that man makes and yet he writes some damn fine songs.....

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: OlDsKoOl_fAiRy on 05/20/02 at 11:19 a.m.

~I agree with Criz, " I try " by macy gray is a good song musicaly and lyricly but that voice...

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/20/02 at 01:02 p.m.


Quoting:
definitely get a hold of the single "Out Of Control." I recognized Sumner's voice immediately.
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I now what you mean about immeditaly recognising Sumner's voice! Not a bad song I must say - think I need to hear it a few more times before I make an absolute definitive judgement :)

Quoting:
When I first heard it, I thought it was Erasure since it has that Andy Bell tone to it (like in Erasure's 90s hit, "Always" - love it!), so I did like it - didn't know Neil had anything to do with it at the time until I read the production notes
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'Always' is a good song - I actually haven't heard a while - will have to dig it out. Another 90's hit of theirs which I adore is, 'I Love Saturday'.

:)

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/21/02 at 04:16 p.m.

I think the whole album is pretty good. It also features "Let Forever Be," which was co-written by that Gallagher dude from Oasis and "Asleep From Day" features Hope Sandoval of Mazzy Star - remember that old 90s hit, "Fade Into You"? Beautiful song. She has such a soft, soothing, mellow voice (like Thom Yorke's "Bulletproff (Wish I Was)" and Kent's "Oprofessional"/"Unprofessional"). If you don't get The Chemical Brothers, get Electronic (Bernard Sumner) and Monaco (Peter Hooke), both bands feature members of New Order. Good upbeat and synthpoppy listening material.

Tarzan Boy

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: mrgazpacho on 05/21/02 at 05:45 p.m.


Quoting:
Hope Sandoval of Mazzy Star - remember that old 90s hit, "Fade Into You"? Beautiful song. She has such a soft, soothing, mellow voiceEnd Quote



Not to mention a pretty face  ;D

I love that song, but it always reminded me of some of the Smiths stuff (e.g. "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out") in that it was perfect music to take an overdose of drugs to, then slit your wrists in the bath and quietly slip away. Eerily beautiful, yet haunting and perhaps even depressing.

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/22/02 at 09:10 a.m.


Quoting:

I love that song, but it always reminded me of some of the Smiths stuff (e.g. "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out") in that it was perfect music to take an overdose of drugs to, then slit your wrists in the bath and quietly slip away. Eerily beautiful, yet haunting and perhaps even depressing.

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Well, I actually have no recollection of the song, but if it's anything like The Smiths music - it's next on my list to be downloaded :)

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/22/02 at 04:01 p.m.


Quoting:


Not to mention a pretty face  ;D

I love that song, but it always reminded me of some of the Smiths stuff (e.g. "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out") in that it was perfect music to take an overdose of drugs to, then slit your wrists in the bath and quietly slip away. Eerily beautiful, yet haunting and perhaps even depressing.


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OK, I'm going to go on a MAJOR tangent here. I absolutely LOVE that sort of music. Morrissey, Suede, James, The Catherine Wheel, Kent - speaking of Kent, I wish they made more music in English (although I'm getting used to hearing Swedish, so it's kind of cool). I often listen to the first four tracks of Kent's Isola and it is like this heroin rush (how I imagine it would be): a sweet, creeping, profound drowsiness that can blur your vision and last a whole sunset...like an endless sigh...

BTW, Criz, ever heard Japan's Gentlemen Take Polaroids? That album has some really good synth-driven tracks, but, then again, ALL their work is commendable!

Tarzan Boy  

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: DJ Midas on 05/23/02 at 12:55 a.m.


Quoting:

Yeah, I also like DJMidas's personal taste in music. He's a DeMode fan, so you know he can never go wrong and definitely get a hold of the single "Out Of Control." I recognized Sumner's voice immediately.

Tarzan Boy
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Thanks, TB & Criz.  I am a big NewOrder fan as well (I also like  Electronic, Revenge and The Other Two).  

Criz (and TB if you haven't already checked it out), there's a quality remix comp of late 80's/early 90's New Order & co. at a great price - called Ultra Hot Art Disc 2 at www.artofmix.com.  It's only $10.00 USD.  Ultra Hot Art Disc 3 is Depeche Mode, and Ultra Hot Art 4 is Pet Shop Boys.  You can listen to song samples as well.  I bought all 3 as well as the Art of Mix Comps - all are $10 each - good 80's/90's dance music.

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/23/02 at 02:34 p.m.


Quoting:


OK, I'm going to go on a MAJOR tangent here. I absolutely LOVE that sort of music. Morrissey, Suede, James, The Catherine Wheel, Kent - speaking of Kent, I wish they made more music in English (although I'm getting used to hearing Swedish, so it's kind of cool). I often listen to the first four tracks of Kent's Isola and it is like this heroin rush (how I imagine it would be): a sweet, creeping, profound drowsiness that can blur your vision and last a whole sunset...like an endless sigh...

BTW, Criz, ever heard Japan's Gentlemen Take Polaroids? That album has some really good synth-driven tracks, but, then again, ALL their work is commendable!

Tarzan Boy  
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I'll excuse our tangent - beacuse I want to further comment on it!! I must say fantastic tastes Tarzan Boy - Suede and James are very good, but of course Morrissey and The Smiths my definitive favourites :) I appear to be talking a lot about the Smiths lately - I think I'm quite obsessed. And to think, I hadn't heard any of their music until late last year. Now I'm classing them as one of my favourite bands and now I own all of their music, give or take a couple of tracks! :)

For the Japan recommendation - is that an album or just a track? I've heard a few of their songs - quite good :)

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Hairspray on 05/23/02 at 04:05 p.m.


Quoting:
...Hope you read this before it gets deleted :P  

Tarzan Boy

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Ummm.... No. No Forum Guidelines were broken.  ;)

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/23/02 at 05:00 p.m.

I'm glad it didn't get deleted - I know we have gone completly off topic, so sorry to Bobo who started this thread, and thanks to Hairspray for sparing it!

I think I'll look into music by Kent and download some more Japan songs. I also haven't heard the Suede songs you mentioned. I mainly have heard the majority of their singles ( She's In Fashion, Animal Nitrate, Beautiful Ones etc..) and they are fantastic, so I might try and get a hold of your recomendations.

Also, was just wondering are your favourite songs by the Smiths. I know, such a cliche to ask another fan - but I'm very interested :)

Now, I really must get back to revising, have an English exam tomorow  :-/

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/23/02 at 05:40 p.m.


Quoting:
I'm glad it didn't get deleted - I know we have gone completly off topic, so sorry to Bobo who started this thread, and thanks to Hairspray for sparing it!

I think I'll look into music by Kent and download some more Japan songs. I also haven't heard the Suede songs you mentioned. I mainly have heard the majority of their singles ( She's In Fashion, Animal Nitrate, Beautiful Ones etc..) and they are fantastic, so I might try and get a hold of your recomendations.

Also, was just wondering are your favourite songs by the Smiths. I know, such a cliche to ask another fan - but I'm very interested :)

Now, I really must get back to revising, have an English exam tomorow  :-/
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Ooh, that's a tough one. Every day is like a different song, but "How Soon Is Now?" is what began this whole Moz craze. I read the interviews, parts of some of the bios, acquired every album they released in the US, and later got the Morrissey solo albums from hearing "Suedehead." Here's the edited version of my favourites (The Smiths and Morrissey):

The Smiths:
1. How Soon Is Now?
2. I Know It's Over
3. Never Had No One Ever
4. Oscillate Wildly
5. Girlfriend In A Coma

Morrissey:
1. The More You Ignore, The Closer I Get
2. Lost
3. I'd Love To
4. Suedehead
5. Everyday Is Like Sunday

...those are pretty much the ones that I have given so much listening I probably warped the CDs.

The Suede songs are B-sides and one album track ("Heroine"). Not many know about them here in the States or most of the 90s Britpop acts, except for Oasis maybe and even then most kiddies nowadays wouldn't know of them. Kent only got one of their songs briefly played here in the States. "If You Were Here" ("Om Du Var Haar") was played in mid-1998 in a few Independent radio stations. The video is really strange - kind of cheesy, but it's a great song. I'd start with the Isola album's first 4 tracks: "Lifesavers," "If You Were Here," "The Things She Said," and "Unprofessional." Heck, they're in English so it won't be too hard to get into them ;) From there listen at your own risk - it's all in Swedish (the evil version of German). Listening to them is like a drug and it also gives me the urge to buy junk from IKEA at night...

Oh, shoot! Now I'm just begging for deletion. Um, what was the topic again? Uhh...Ok, now just delete the hell out of me 'cause I forgot.

Deleted Boy

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/24/02 at 05:25 a.m.


Quoting:


Ooh, that's a tough one. Every day is like a different song, but "How Soon Is Now?" is what began this whole Moz craze.

The Smiths:
1. How Soon Is Now?
2. I Know It's Over
3. Never Had No One Ever
4. Oscillate Wildly
5. Girlfriend In A Coma

Morrissey:
1. The More You Ignore, The Closer I Get
2. Lost
3. I'd Love To
4. Suedehead
5. Everyday Is Like Sunday

...those are pretty much the ones that I have given so much listening I probably warped the CDs.

Kent only got one of their songs briefly played here in the States. "If You Were Here" ("Om Du Var Haar") was played in mid-1998 in a few Independent radio stations. The video is really strange - kind of cheesy, but it's a great song. I'd start with the Isola album's first 4 tracks: "Lifesavers," "If You Were Here," "The Things She Said," and "Unprofessional." Heck, they're in English so it won't be too hard to get into them ;) From there listen at your own risk - it's all in Swedish (the evil version of German). Listening to them is like a drug and it also gives me the urge to buy junk from IKEA at night...

Oh, shoot! Now I'm just begging for deletion. Um, what was the topic again? Uhh...Ok, now just delete the hell out of me 'cause I forgot.

Deleted Boy

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Vey good choices :) I change my favourites daily, so I know what you mean! I couldn't even narrow mine down to a top 5, top 20 would be more like it :) I'll try and narrow it:

This Night Has Opened My Eyes
There Is A Light That Nevr Goes Out
I Know It's Over
Cemetry Gates
Willim, It Was eally Nothing
Bigmouth Strikes Again
Frankly Mr Shankly
Hand That Rocks The Cradle
Unloveable
Still Ill
Girl Afraid
Ask
This Charming Man
A Rush And A Push
Rubber Ring
Back To The Old House

Whoops  :-/ Sorry, I can't narrow it down from 15 - that's quite bad!!

I haven't heard enough of solo Morrissey to comment on favourites as yet - I only own about 8 tracks, but Every Day Is Like Sunday and Suedehead are very good.

I'll get a hold of those Kent songs - but I actually like IKEA furniture - not that I've had the pleasure of buying any of it due to my age and that I live with my parents - so I don't think I'll get a sudden urge for late-night Swedish furniture shopping :)

Please don't delete this, we're very sorry!!!

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/26/02 at 03:23 a.m.

Quoting:
Vey good choices :) I change my favourites daily, so I know what you mean! I couldn't even narrow mine down to a top 5, top 20 would be more like it :) I'll try and narrow it:
This Night Has Opened My Eyes
There Is A Light That Nevr Goes Out
I Know It's Over
Cemetry Gates
Willim, It Was eally Nothing
Bigmouth Strikes Again
Frankly Mr Shankly
Hand That Rocks The Cradle
Unloveable
Still Ill
Girl Afraid
Ask
This Charming Man
A Rush And A Push
Rubber Ring
Back To The Old House
Whoops  :-/ Sorry, I can't narrow it down from 15 - that's quite bad!!
I haven't heard enough of solo Morrissey to comment on favourites as yet - I only own about 8 tracks, but Every Day Is Like Sunday and Suedehead are very good.

I'll get a hold of those Kent songs - but I actually like IKEA furniture - not that I've had the pleasure of buying any of it due to my age and that I live with my parents - so I don't think I'll get a sudden urge for late-night Swedish furniture shopping :)

Please don't delete this, we're very sorry!!!
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Totally. I used to listen to The Smiths and Morrissey almost every day.

Maybe this should be like, transfered to the PPP.  We're the only ones carrying this thread. Care to make it to the 3rd and 4th page? ;) Actually, I'm surprised I haven't been banned from the boards for all the ruckus I've made here, there, and everywhere else. The provervial law here says...I just know that I come back for topics like this one (or should I say, veering topics that stray into the things I like?). I have to teach myself when to stop or else it gets really annoying. Sorry Bobo, sorry boardies, and thanks Chucky.

Tarzan Boy


Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Bobo on 05/26/02 at 03:28 a.m.

I realise that this probably wasn't the right place on the board, but then a lot of the songs that I could have thought of were that new wave of electronica that seems to have swept Britain since Groovejet was at No.1 in the chart. Sorry, again.

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/26/02 at 06:30 a.m.


Quoting:

We're the only ones carrying this thread. Care to make it to the 3rd and 4th page? ;) End Quote



Sure - why not ;)

I'm actually having a very hard time locating the Kent tracks - they're copyrighted on audioglaxy and there are a limited number of people who own them on Winmx - but I'll keep trying :)

I listen to the Smiths practically everyday now. It's only been a few months that I've actually owned any of their music. I was writing an article on 80's music for my English coursework and I interviewed my uncles on their tastes, seen as they grew up in the 80's. They kept mentioning the Smiths, so I thought I'd see for myself what all the fuss was about. I downloaded 'Boy With The Thorn In His Side' and 'How Soon Is Now' and the rest is history. I own practically all of their stuff, and it's just fantastic. To be honest, I never thought I'd like them as much as I do, beacuse it was the New Wave stuff of the 80's that really interested me. :)

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/26/02 at 08:09 a.m.

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Sure - why not ;)
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That's too bad about not being able to find the Kent songs. Don't try too hard,though. I wouldn't want you to have any expectations only to find out you hate the guy's screeching voice (I don't think he has a screeching voice. It's very much like Brett Anderson's of Suede). Have you given Rialto a listen? That's another band I bring up every once in a while. Their sound is very peculiar. Kind of sixties Britpop with a 90s edge to them. Their song "Monday Morning 5:19" (which sounds strangely enough like a modified version of Mono's "Life In Mono") got the same airplay as Kent's song around the same time (1998). This should be easier to find, if you haven't given them a try already.

Have you heard of Clan Of Xymox? They have some really good 80s synth work in their self-titled album, Medusa, and their demos from Subsequent Pleasures. A sort of combination of The Cure and DeMode. Dunno, I always like to give these guys a prop every chance I get.

The Smiths just plain, flat out, rule. I even had my hair just like Moz back in high school - that's how much of a freak I was. Plus, I know most of the lyrics to their songs (definitely all my favourite ones). Same goes for DeMode and New Order. But The Smiths were my stepping stone to music collecting and they will always have a place amongst my faves. Have you heard, "The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get"? Probably his best song as a solo artist. I also have the video - filmed in a hallway of a boxing club using a sepia/roan coloured tone (love that style!).

Um, until this thread gets locked or deleted, I guess it's alright to keep posting. I'm the sort that always waits to speak (about myself) instead of listen - when will I learn? ::)  It's just that I seldom get to discuss the music I like except for the occasional comment from DJMidas and Langdon Hughes. To say the least, it's refreshing to talk synthpop with another fan :)

Tarzan Boy

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/26/02 at 12:58 a.m.


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The Smiths just plain, flat out, rule. I even had my hair just like Moz back in high school - that's how much of a freak I was. Plus, I know most of the lyrics to their songs (definitely all my favourite ones). Same goes for DeMode and New Order. But The Smiths were my stepping stone to music collecting and they will always have a place amongst my faves. Have you heard, "The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get"?

It's just that I seldom get to discuss the music I like except for the occasional comment from DJMidas and Langdon Hughes. To say the least, it's refreshing to talk synthpop with another fan :)

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Well I must say it's nice to have a conversation with someone who appreciates the style of music I enjoy the most. My friends are into some music I like, but they have no clue when it comes to the Smiths are synth pop stuff. They're closest liking to 80's music would be Wham! I usually talk about my music with my uncles when I get to see them. I try and talk to my boyfriend but i know I bore him with it all! They just don't understand what good music is!

Can't believe you had your hair like Morrissey! How cool!! And yes, they do in fact rule :) Every time I listen to their stuff I find deeper meanings that I hadn't realised before - I must admit I'm terrible once I start looking for symbolism and implicit meanings! I've just downloaded 'The More You Ignore Me...' so I will get listening to it.

I'm generally a person who's good with lyrics - i pretty much know all of the Smiths. If my friends are stuck with a lyric from an old song - they come to me, which is quite cool :) Music has always been a big part of my life, but recently it's just taking over. I'm even thinking of doing a degree in 'Media, Communication and Popular Culture' :) I'm studying media at the moment, but we haven't done much on the music industry - the closeset we've got to is the topic of 'Mp3's'.

I'll get a hold of Rialto and Clan of Xymox if I can. Happy to hear any more of your recommendations-unless we get deleated, of cause :)

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/27/02 at 03:22 a.m.


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Well I must say it's nice to have a conversation with someone who appreciates the style of music I enjoy the most.

Can't believe you had your hair like Morrissey! How cool!! And yes, they do in fact rule :)

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Likewise! I hope I don't bore YOU with my endless droning on and on about synth music here and synth music there...

Yeah, my mother HATED that 'do. At school they knew me as "Rooster" ::) because of it, but I was crazy about The Smiths and everyone knew that too. And it only cost me something like $2-3 since I had my hair cut blocked at the back and faded on the sides. Crazy, but fun.

More recs? Hmm, if you like Xymox, there's also Wolfsheim, Diary Of Dreams, and Section 25. It's synth, but I often refer to it as depressynth. For more upbeat, louder, and faster synth-driven stuff, I'd definitely go with Front 242. If it's all-around madness and mayhem you seek, then I'd try Einsturzende Neubauten, Cabaret Voltaire, and Psychic TV, but, beware and brace yourself - especially for Neubauten since they're the art-school type and are very, extremely experiMENTAL (they use power tools, strips of metal, anvils, and all kinds of garbage to make some of the most unbearable Futurist Noise you'll ever hear!). That's it for now. Enjoy the search.

Tarzan Boy


Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/27/02 at 04:18 a.m.


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Likewise! I hope I don't bore YOU with my endless droning on and on about synth music here and synth music there...

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You're definitly not boring me. Yet :) As I said before, it's not often I get to speak with someone of similar music tastes. I guess my friends just humour me when I go off on an 80's music tangent! It's my goal now to make them realise how good The Smiths are - but I know it wont happen. I knpw this beacuse they're into... 'pop music'  :-/. OH well - I'm still gonna keep trying!

Thanks for the recomendations - they'll keep me going for a while!

Also, besides the kind of music that you've allready mentioned ( brit pop, synth etc..) what other stuff do you like?

:)

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/27/02 at 06:29 a.m.


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Thanks for the recomendations - they'll keep me going for a while!

Also, besides the kind of music that you've allready mentioned ( brit pop, synth etc..) what other stuff do you like?

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You're welcome.

I wouldn't push anyone into liking anything. It usually backfires and your friends and boyfriend will end up hating it from having built up too many expectations. At least, that's what I gathered from "pushing" my tastes down someone else's throat. Maybe if you made like a mix cd of the music they like mixed in with some of the stuff you like (try to put songs that sound sort of the similar). Heck! I made my mother a Roxy Music and OMD fan that way :)

As for other things that I like. Do you mean like other music styles?  I consider myself open-minded regarding anything new with the exception of Fluff Rock, Gangsta Rap, Insipid Pop/Puke Pop, and Metal Rap. I also have some Spanish Romantic music from the 70s and 80s (a Spanish variation of the New Romantic movement - sort of - but more poetic and less instrumentally driven). Lounge, Opera, Classical, Grunge, Metal, Rock, Disco, Jazz, Rockabilly, Punk, Emo, Techno, old school Hip Hop and Rap, old school R&B, Minimalist and Undefined, et cetera plus the stuff that I just pile in as New Wave and Synthpop like Industrial, Gothic, EBM, and Futurist. Shoot! I could go on listing. You name the genre and I probably own or heard one or two discs with an artist that's in it.

Here's a weird non-sequitorial, semi-related factoid: James Dean liked to play the congas and liked to listen to this type of music LOUD! I've heard some of Chaino's percussion work and it's kind of weird to think he loved listening to these strange African and Caribbean sounds...

Tarzan Boy

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/27/02 at 08:28 a.m.


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You're welcome.

I wouldn't push anyone into liking anything. It usually backfires and your friends and boyfriend will end up hating it from having built up too many expectations. At least, that's what I gathered from "pushing" my tastes down someone else's throat. Maybe if you made like a mix cd of the music they like mixed in with some of the stuff you like (try to put songs that sound sort of the similar). Heck! I made my mother a Roxy Music and OMD fan that way :)

As for other things that I like. Do you mean like other music styles?  I consider myself open-minded regarding anything new with the exception of Fluff Rock, Gangsta Rap, Insipid Pop/Puke Pop, and Metal Rap. I also have some Spanish Romantic music from the 70s and 80s (a Spanish variation of the New Romantic movement - sort of - but more poetic and less instrumentally driven). Lounge, Opera, Classical, Grunge, Metal, Rock, Disco, Jazz, Rockabilly, Punk, Emo, Techno, old school Hip Hop and Rap, old school R&B, Minimalist and Undefined, et cetera plus the stuff that I just pile in as New Wave and Synthpop like Industrial, Gothic, EBM, and Futurist. Shoot! I could go on listing. You name the genre and I probably own or heard one or two discs with an artist that's in it.

Here's a weird non-sequitorial, semi-related factoid: James Dean liked to play the congas and liked to listen to this type of music LOUD! I've heard some of Chaino's percussion work and it's kind of weird to think he loved listening to these strange African and Caribbean sounds...

Tarzan Boy
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Ahh, I'm not too bad. I subtely mention stuff if I hear it I guess. I would love it if they were into similar stuff to me, but I know I can't have it all, Although, I acytually like being a indididual and having different tatses to other. Each to their own, I guess.

Beacuse of my 80's article my entire English class think I'm completly obsessed - some were even at the point of calling me 80's girl at a point! But now, they know it's not just 80's music that I listen to - it's just something I'm very interested in :)

I'm listening to the Rialto song atm - I quite like it - and thats unusal for me on the first hearing :)

Wow - strange collection of music genres you like there! Hmm, congas. Again, each to their own , I guess ;) I'm not really into opera or classical - but every other genre seems to me as if I own something with could be placed there. I listen to different stuff - depending on my mood. Lately I've been flicking back and forth between The Smiths and my 50's and 60's CD's. There's a lot of 60's pop, mowtown and stuff on there - even the occassional Buddy Holly song as I grew up listening to him :)

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: mrgazpacho on 05/27/02 at 06:00 p.m.


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For some reason this song was used by the local TV station to advertise "Great Expectations" - "Ingenue... doo doo doo doo doooo doooo..."  :)

If you like that one you might like "Six Underground" by Sneaker Pimps. I think this song was used in a movie, but I've forgotten which one  :P

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Written By: Criz on 05/28/02 at 01:44 p.m.


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If you like that one you might like "Six Underground" by Sneaker Pimps. I think this song was used in a movie, but I've forgotten which one  :P


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Fantastic song. Haven't heard it in ages actually - might go find the CD now :)

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 05/31/02 at 12:25 a.m.

Still little luck on the Kent songs - the moment I find someone online who owns them, they let me download about 25% and log off! Oh well

I was just wondering whether you could tell me what year the Rialto song, and Mono's - Life In Mono ( if you know, and if they were released as a single, that is)? I really like both of them - IO vaugly recall hearing the Mono song before.

The Japan stuff is growing on me, I didn't think all that much of it when I first listened to it :)

That's my update for you! ;)

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Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 05/31/02 at 02:44 p.m.


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Still little luck on the Kent songs - the moment I find someone online who owns them, they let me download about 25% and log off! Oh well

I was just wondering whether you could tell me what year the Rialto song, and Mono's - Life In Mono ( if you know, and if they were released as a single, that is)? I really like both of them - IO vaugly recall hearing the Mono song before.

The Japan stuff is growing on me, I didn't think all that much of it when I first listened to it :)

That's my update for you! ;)
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Aw man, too bad about Kent :-/ Sounds like the same sort of problems I have when it comes to finding music - except I wait about 1-2 months to find out I cannot get it here.

"Life In Mono" was the featured single from Mono's Formica Blues album that came out in 1997. It became popular when the new version of Great Expectations featured it in their advertisements as well as the soundtrack in 1998. "Monday Morning 5:19" was a single that came out in 1998 on the China Records label (which, I think, went ka-PUT! in 1999 or 2000). It is featured in Rialto's self-titled debut album under that name (mind you these guys were around under a different name before - I think they were calle Kinky Machine?, but none of their songs are available here, in the USA, for distribution...). They both sound a bit the same, no? Great songs, IMO. If you like that Rialto song give these others a chance: "Untouchable," "Quarantine," and "Shatterproof." They have that sixties Britpop sound to them. Most of their material tends to drone on and sound repetitive (i.e. EVERY song is about some girl that leaves the guy crying in the rain and such, but, hey, I'm that sort ::) so I like a lot of it ;D ).

Tarzan Boy

Subject: Re: Good Songs, Bad Idea

Written By: Criz on 06/04/02 at 06:30 a.m.


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Aw man, too bad about Kent :-/ Sounds like the same sort of problems I have when it comes to finding music - except I wait about 1-2 months to find out I cannot get it here.

"Life In Mono" was the featured single from Mono's Formica Blues album that came out in 1997. It became popular when the new version of Great Expectations featured it in their advertisements as well as the soundtrack in 1998. "Monday Morning 5:19" was a single that came out in 1998 on the China Records label (which, I think, went ka-PUT! in 1999 or 2000). It is featured in Rialto's self-titled debut album under that name (mind you these guys were around under a different name before - I think they were calle Kinky Machine?, but none of their songs are available here, in the USA, for distribution...). They both sound a bit the same, no? Great songs, IMO. If you like that Rialto song give these others a chance: "Untouchable," "Quarantine," and "Shatterproof." They have that sixties Britpop sound to them. Most of their material tends to drone on and sound repetitive (i.e. EVERY song is about some girl that leaves the guy crying in the rain and such, but, hey, I'm that sort ::) so I like a lot of it ;D ).

Tarzan Boy
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Yeah - they do sound very similar! :)

Thanks for the information. I actually found the Mono song familiar - and now I realise that it was from Great Expectations :) Both songs are very good - and I'm still having trouble with the Kent stuff - but am determined to get hold of them eventually!

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Written By: Tarzan Boy (Guest) on 06/04/02 at 05:45 p.m.


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Yeah - they do sound very similar! :)

Thanks for the information. I actually found the Mono song familiar - and now I realise that it was from Great Expectations :) Both songs are very good - and I'm still having trouble with the Kent stuff - but am determined to get hold of them eventually!


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Phew! So it wasn't just me ;) Here's another one that I found similar in sound to The Smiths and OMD - Chris Issak! Well, just give this song a spin and see what you think:

"Can't Do A Thing (To Stop Me)" from his San Francisco Days album in 1993 (?).

Really mellow and smooth guitar riffs with his renown croon (could be mistaken for an oldie, really). Now that I think about it; this is one of my all-time favourite songs from the 90s. You might already be acquainted with his song, "The Wicked Game" from 1989's Hear Shaped World and "Baby Did A Bad Bad Thing" from Forever Blue (which was used in Eyes Wide Shut). Give 'im a try and see if you happen to think he sounds like Morrissey or McCluskey.

Good luck on the Kent search. It took me over a month to get the Swedish version of the Isola album and am in the process of buying the B-sides collection as well as their recent album (released in both languages - which means now I have to get two :-/ ).

Tarzan Boy