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Subject: R and B vs. rap
I believe r and b is much better than no talent talkers in the business, and complaining about their skin color and how all the cops are against them, example Ice T. Eminem sucks also talking about how he likes abusing girls, and talking bad about his mom. There a few exceptions, like for example Will Smith, he has some pretty cool lyrics.
Now r and b, they are the ones who actually have the talent both in songwriting and they musically inclined, they can actually sing. It is good to say or (or rap what is on your mind). But you shouldn't diss the cops, or have other explicit lyrics in your work sexual or otherwise.
Subject: Re: R and B vs. rap
Being from the 70's...(I am an old chick. :)) I tend to prefer my Rock and Singer-songwriter stuff. But if I have to choose I will pick R & B. At least with it there has to be some form of talent. I don't care for it much but if we can find someone who performs it well I can handle it. For me it isn't so much the type of music but how well the perform can perform it.
About RAP...most of the lyrics are offensive to me. I just don't feel like hearing Mother f****r and violence in every stanza.
Peace,
A'isha.
Subject: Re: R and B vs. rap
I am not really a fan of R AND B, but it is MUCH BETTER than rap! I am a softy for the mellow singer songwriter as well!
Peace,Vivian
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I'm into the disco and funk but not so much for hardcore rap. -howard- :)
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What about Christian rap? it's far worse then regular rap :)
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I like a little R & B, and some rap. Christian Rap, IMO, isn't all that bad. It all depends on what you like.
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I don't know why everyone hates rap so much. I love rap music and R & B. Besides, what they rap about in songs (violence, drugs, etc.), we see in movies all the time. So what is the difference?
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Since you asked for my opinion...I don't like either one :PThe only rap song I like is "Omish Paradise" by Wierd Al :D
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I don't know why everyone hates rap so much. I love rap music and R & B. Besides, what they rap about in songs (violence, drugs, etc.), we see in movies all the time. So what is the difference?
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Humm Good question Jessica but I think I can answer one side of it.. when Rap started to hit the main scene in the early to mid 80s alot of it was the precurser to Gangsta rap (it might have been Gangsta for all I know) but one thing that I could not stand about rap was the "in your face attitude" that it oozed all over.. >:( You want to get my attention to your plight/problems? dont yell & make jestures in my face.
The second was what Yusufscat stated about the language. In alot of the rap songs back in the 80's every other word was F*** this and F*** that. It tends to grate on ones ears after a while. Also tends to make the listner wonder about the artist's mental ability to think about other things than killing and gang related ideals. :(
The Themes of early rap seemed to be African Americans against the world, against any establishment, and the posse unite. As for the violence, it seemed to be more in the lines of gang warfare but at least in most movies there is a moral good fighting the bad, in rap its us against them (I know I will get flamed for this statement but think this-If you listened to rap for the first time during the early 80s that is what most ppl thought of it.) Go back and listen to the sounds and lyrics of the original rap artists if you dont believe me. I honestly gave rap a chance in '82 when I was in Highschool and until in college, I listened to the Sugarhill Gang, Run DMC, Grandmaster Melle Mel & The Furious Five, etc. To me they all had the same themes in perspective.. (see above topics) Not much did you hear about stay in school fool or anything about love & making relationships work :-/
The third it that it doesnt take much talent to become an 80s rap artist vs haveing a band and producing other types of music, all you need to be able to do is find a beat, rhyme lyrics to content that ppl want to hear for that time period (The hard part-no singing involved) and then use sounds or some other bands samples to fill in the music for the beat. Can anyone remember the band samples that Ton Loc used in Funky Coldmadina and Wild thing? ::)
Fast forward to '02 and Rap has come along way starting with the dance steps to rap i.e. Young MC, MC Hammer, to todays greats like Busta Rhymes, P.Diddy and I like some of the songs, but they are few and far between. :-[
Given the choice to listen to other African American based music and I will choose Blues, Jazz (including ragtime), R&B, and Motown over Rap any day of the week. :P
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this discussion needs to go to hell. its over!
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this discussion needs to go to hell. its over!
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Why? ???
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this discussion needs to go to hell. its over!
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To quote Jessica, yes why? If your mad at what I stated, many of us feel that way about rap. I'm not saying that my music (R&R, Acid, Metal) is not better but stating why I disliked rap. If you wish refute this with your opinion
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R&B, I don't like much rap. I think Eminem gives it a bad name, what with his "Slim Shady" crap and such and such ::)
I like Tupac, and Coolio's song Gangsta's Paradise. that song rules 8)
And I think rappers don't really have any musical ability, all they do is talk. ::)
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I really don't like alot of rap because its not real rap. Ja Rule and Nelly are not real rap music. Eminem has good mic skills but his songs are not good at all. I still like a little R&B though. R&B has taken a huge hit with Aaliyah and Left Eye's death and the R. Kelly saga though.
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What about Christian rap? it's far worse then regular rap :)
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ROFL! Christian rap? Shouldn't that be in the oxymoron thread? Unless you can refer to it as C-rap ;-)
Personally, I'm not into rap - R&B is much more my cup of tea; however, ISTM that rap is just like all other genres of music in one respect: there are some excellent rap "musicians" (for want of a better term), and I often wish that I had the lyrical ability of some of the better artists. But the majority is talentless rubbish that tries to make up for its mediocrity by increasing the number of expletives.
There's a lot of completely mediocre R&B, too - it's just that mediocrity in R&B is twelve-bar with clichés for lyrics, rather than ill-scanning profanity. Hell, I should know- I've played in a mediocre R&B band before now ;-)
Phil
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I like Tupac, and that song Gangsta's Paradise. that song rules 8)
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I think Coolio sang "Gangsta's Paradise".
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oops :-X my bad ;D
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I think Coolio sang "Gangsta's Paradise".
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Good song, and the weird al paradoy was hilarious!
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I like his version as well. Not my favourite Weird Al song, but it's up there near the top. As I have stated previously, my favourites probably include Ugly Girl (A parody of Barbie Girl by Aqua) and Bohemian Rap City. The latter had the same lyrics, but it is truly hilarious...
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Good song, and the weird al paradoy was hilarious!
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And why is the popular R+B that has come out in the last few years even called R+B? It is neither rhythmic or bluesy. It's just a more extensive branch of pop music with more musically sound performers. They understand the music they are singing, the background of said music, and everything surrounding it.
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I like his version as well. Not my favourite Weird Al song, but it's up there near the top. As I have stated previously, my favourites probably include Ugly Girl (A parody of Barbie Girl by Aqua) and Bohemian Rap City. The latter had the same lyrics, but it is truly hilarious...
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Actually, I heard that Ugly Girl was done by another artist (I think it was Azn Pride).
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Could be.. a lot of songs floating around the net that say they are by Weird Al, aren't.