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Subject: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Screwball54 on 09/12/02 at 10:57 p.m.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020912/wl_canada_nm/canada_attack_blame_col_1

America take warning.  This is what happens when a socialist gets in to a position of power...

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Taoist on 09/13/02 at 03:02 a.m.

Well done that man!

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Goreripper on 09/13/02 at 09:05 a.m.

Actually, if you resist taking his comments out of context, what he's saying makes perfect sense. Disregard what the headline says, and read his comment. What he actually said was that the 9/11 attack made him realise that some sections of the world perceive Western nations as being rich, arrogant bullies. And that's true.

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Screwball54 on 09/13/02 at 10:05 a.m.


Quoting:
Actually, if you resist taking his comments out of context, what he's saying makes perfect sense. Disregard what the headline says, and read his comment. What he actually said was that the 9/11 attack made him realise that some sections of the world perceive Western nations as being rich, arrogant bullies. And that's true.
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Yes, but some of his other comments are flawed, as well as his logic. for example:

think the western world is a bit too selfish and that there is a lot of resentment. I felt it when I dealt with the African file for the G8 summit. You know, the poor get relatively poorer all the time and the rich are getting richer all the time," he said.


Selfish? We give foriegn aid to hundreds of nations that just turn around and stab us in the back.  the reason I hate Ideas like this is that instead of wanting to bring the rest of the world up to our level, he claims we are too rich and we need to sacrifice down to thier level.  If he realized that poor people around the world resent the west from the 9/11 attacks, his logic is flawed.  Not one person responsible for the attacks was poor. There were other reasons for the attacks but money was not one of them.

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Goreripper on 09/13/02 at 12:12 a.m.


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Selfish? We give foriegn aid to hundreds of nations that just turn around and stab us in the back.  the reason I hate Ideas like this is that instead of wanting to bring the rest of the world up to our level, he claims we are too rich and we need to sacrifice down to thier level.  If he realized that poor people around the world resent the west from the 9/11 attacks, his logic is flawed.  Not one person responsible for the attacks was poor. There were other reasons for the attacks but money was not one of them.
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I'm not going to argue with you there, but 'foreign aid' is really just a band aid approach, especially when many the countries that receive it are run by corrupt governments who squander the money. Rich nations could be more proactive in their assistance schemes for poorer nations. Helping to ensure that the money they give is directed to the right places would be a start.

Anyway, here's some reaction to what the Canadian PM said:

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/09/12/pm_reax020912

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Thursday on 09/13/02 at 12:15 a.m.

i think basically everything that big Jean said makes sense. America is to blame for the attacks. Obviously something is wrong. It isn't just a matter of 'terrorists will attack the most powerful nation in the world regardless of anything else'.  
There has to be problems with the way things are being done. This wasn't a matter of a personal grudge from Mr Bin himself that caused the attacks.
if you can't accept that there is a problem with the way things are being done, then that itself is part of the problem..
i would say the same if my own country was attacked.

Closing Song:
Propagandhi - Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Goreripper on 09/13/02 at 12:27 a.m.


Quoting:
America is to blame for the attacksEnd Quote



No, that's not true. The blame for the attacks falls on those who perpetrated them. Maybe some choose to believe that America brought it on itself, but that's not blame. Besides, as was said, the PMs speech was inspired by 9/11, but certainly wasn't suggesting it was America's fault. That was just an editorial beat-up.

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Thursday on 09/13/02 at 03:05 p.m.


Quoting:


No, that's not true. The blame for the attacks falls on those who perpetrated them. End Quote


yeah that is true. it's just seeing the word 'blame around so much that warped my mind... that and drugs.. damn drugs

don't do drugs

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Indy Gent on 09/13/02 at 05:57 p.m.

After reading this interview, I believe the Prime Minister is including his own country, as it is part the Western civilization. But to blame 9/11 on any Western country, especially the US, is way out of line. The only people to blame are, first and foremost, the Fundamentalist butchers that got on the planes, and secondly, the lax security in American airports. Chretian's clamoring about our attitudes and jingoism is simply a ploy to get him re-elected. >:(

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Thursday on 09/13/02 at 09:41 p.m.


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the lax security in American airports. End Quote


that was not really the case.... i'm not gonna research or look it up to affirm but from what i remember, the hijackers had small knives... i dunno what it was like in america before Laden's fireworks but some knives were allowed on the plane to a  certain extent here in canada.. and that is up to a board to decide, and not the fault of the airport security... second of all, these hijackers had basically no terrorist history, so they couldn't turn them away or anything just on instinct

and btw it's spelled Chretien

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Indy Gent on 09/14/02 at 06:23 p.m.

You may have a point their Thursday. And Americans aren't going to find being forced to strip and having their bags dumped (then being forced to pack in front of security again) very pleasant. I'm just wondering how the airlines are going serve meals again if terrorists can kill with plastic forks and knifes. Serve soup?

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Screwball54 on 09/14/02 at 10:44 p.m.

 I believe the airports are not any safer now and numerous news reports have confirmed it.  Also, after what happened on flight 93 citizens  are not going to stand buy and let someone hijack a plane with a pocket knife, or nail clippers.  These Idiot airport security people need to get a lesson in what is a real danger on an aircraft and what is not.  They need to stop embaressing people by checking breast milk and confiscating nail clippers, and start looking for things that can cause a real problem. I could rant on, but those guys piss me off.  

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Thursday on 09/15/02 at 06:30 a.m.


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I'm just wondering how the airlines are going serve meals again if terrorists can kill with plastic forks and knifes. Serve soup?
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a brilliant invention called the 'spork'  :)

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Alicia. on 09/15/02 at 04:26 p.m.


Quoting:


No, that's not true.
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Yeah thats not true...America isb't to blame...it's the government

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: Race Bannon on 09/21/02 at 06:54 a.m.

Points well made.  When your are the best looking and most popular sucess out there there are always going to be the homely ones that are going to hate you, even if there is no real reason to so.  America is the biggest and the strongest, and I like that, not every thing we do is popular in the some parts of the world, to damn bad 'cause it works for us.  

Security on planes is now in the hands of the passengers, some stupid dupe is going to try and "hijack" a plane and will be torn to shreds, and if I were on that flight I would be coming at him with my hands, feet, teeth and whatever else may rip him up.

Subject: Re: Canadian PM blames the West for 9/11

Written By: The Skuz on 09/24/02 at 06:10 a.m.


Quoting:


This wasn't a matter of a personal grudge from Mr Bin himself that caused the attacks.

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Actually, it was a personal grudge. He didn't like the fact that non-Muslims, specifically Americans were stationed on such "sacred ground" as Saudi Arabia in order to expell Iraq from it's illegall occupation of Kuwait. The idea that non-Muslims could do this is considered blasphemous to him. What he ignores of course is the fact that we also were on sacred ground when we kicked Hitler out of the Vatican & Italy. But the nutcase doesn't just hate the west, he hates ALL non-Muslims, and considers Muslims who are tolerant of other religions as traitors.