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Subject: DC area going overboard with fear of the sniper?

Written By: Screwball54 on 10/18/02 at 04:47 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,66094,00.html

 Schools in the DC area are on lockdown. People have to travel 150 miles to go to a football game. Events are being cancelled out of fear.  The question is are they going overboard? Is everyone in the washington area scared to death, fearing even a simple trip to the supermarket? If that is the case maybe the sniper acomplished his goal.  Personally i think they have gone way overboard, events should go on as normal, and people should know the risk before they go out, but it should be an individual choice weather to attend the invent.  Events shouldn't be cancelled because there is a 1 in 7.7 Million (Population of DC area) chance that a person in the area may be shot.  You guys all living in fear up there? Any thoughts?

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: dagwood on 10/18/02 at 04:56 p.m.

I am not from the DC area, but I would be scared to death.  I mean the last lady just went to Home Depot.  It is downright scary.  There is a point that you have to stop being so afraid that you are one step away from baracading yourself in your house, but when is that?  I just pray that they catch him (or her) before someone else gets shot.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Hairspray on 10/18/02 at 06:38 p.m.

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The question is are they going overboard?End Quote



No, because the sniper's unpredictable, roaming invisibly and attacking with randomness that knows no boundaries - whether it's children, the elderly, men & women in general.

No one is safe. Thus, no one should make the assumption that they will be spared or that they will not be at the wrong place, at the wrong time. "It won't happen to me." is a thought that could turn out to be deadly.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Dude on 10/18/02 at 06:50 p.m.

Its not for me to say whether their overreacting. I don't live there next door to the parents that found out their little boy won't be coming home because he was playing at school one day. Its awful brave to sit 3 or 400 miles away and say their overreacting.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: dagwood on 10/18/02 at 07:11 p.m.


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Its not for me to say whether their overreacting. I don't live there next door to the parents that found out their little boy won't be coming home because he was playing at school one day. Its awful brave to sit 3 or 400 miles away and say their overreacting.
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Well said.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Paul S. on 10/18/02 at 07:37 p.m.

If I lived there, I'd be scared shitless.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Screwball54 on 10/18/02 at 09:10 p.m.

Here is my point: If everyone just went on with there normal lives the chances of getting gunned down would be slim. How many non-sniper deaths are going to happen in DC tonight?  I guess if you are the only one brave enough to go the Home Depot the chance is greatly increased.  

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: CeramicsFanatic on 10/18/02 at 09:15 p.m.


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No, because the sniper's unpredictable, roaming invisibly and attacking with randomness that knows no boundaries - whether it's children, the elderly, men & women in general.

No one is safe. Thus, no one should make the assumption that they will be spared or that they will not be at the wrong place, at the wrong time. "It won't happen to me." is a thought that could turn out to be deadly.
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I agree with you 100%, Hairspray!

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: MissInformation on 10/18/02 at 09:44 p.m.

The schools have some legal responsibility to protect the students, and it is safer for them to shut down outdoor events and not take the chance of a student being murdered.  Sadly, part of their reason for shutting everything down is that if they don't and a student is killed by the sniper, there is a good chance they will be sued because our culture is quick to sue.  Band is still practicing indoors, the robotics team is still meeting in doors (yea!), so some things are still going on.  After Sept. 11, last year, our robotics team had to get special permission from the school board to fly to Florida for the national competition in April, but they did get it eventually.

I think it is unlikely that I will get sniped.  The statistics are low on that.  But when I start factoring in all my friends, my family, my co-workers, and then their families and friends, the probability of someone I know and care about being hurt by this maniac increases.  A lot of the kids on our robotics team are also in band.  I would rather see all the football games cancelled until the end of time than lose one of those precious, if sometimes bratty, kids (that's how much those kids mean to me).

So, until the sniper is caught, this is one case where I do believe better safe than sorry.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: the_OlLine_Rebel on 10/18/02 at 10:00 p.m.

At this point I don't think I'd say they're going overboard.  Now if we go a month and nothing happens, maybe so.  What WAS ridiculous was the giant hold-up on the Beltway the other day.  Did they really think they were going to find these cunning people on the Beltway at that point?

But speaking of overboard, here's a perspective from a columnist who now lives there and has lived in "bad" neighborhoods.  http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1002/pitts.html

This also brings to mind other columns relating more to the overall terrorist fears, which likewise recall how the human species adapts to such circumstances and "goes on w/life" - particularly references to London during the WWII Nazi attacks.  Now THAT'S living w/risk.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/18/02 at 10:32 p.m.


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At this point I don't think I'd say they're going overboard.  Now if we go a month and nothing happens, maybe so.  End Quote



I was saying kind of the same thing at work today.  If this guy is a "f**k-with-your-head" terrorist, he could quit today and he'd be a winner.  It doesn't sound like the authorities are close to getting him, and that area is going to be waiting for the next attack for some time.  The terror, the dread, the expectation of another attack, aren't going to go away anytime soon.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/18/02 at 11:47 p.m.

They've arrested and charged the jerk who gave false witness of the sniper.  Too bad the maximum is six months jail time in his case.  

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: BrianMannixGirl on 10/19/02 at 06:52 a.m.

I live on the other side of the world - and I sure as hell dont thnk anyone is going overboard.  This guy has been shooting people for two weeks now.  If it was a glossy TV movie of the week he would have been caught by now - but it aint - and he hasnt.

My sympathies to anyone over there who is affected by this.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: southernspitfire on 10/19/02 at 09:33 p.m.

Another shooting just happened in Ashland, VA.  So far the man has survived...but is in surgery.

This is getting to be too much.  The person has to be stopped!

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Jonman on 10/21/02 at 10:20 a.m.


Quoting:
Another shooting just happened in Ashland, VA.  So far the man has survived...but is in surgery.

This is getting to be too much.  The person has to be stopped!
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This is getting to be too much! I have a very dear friend who lives in VA...about 1/2 hour from Ashland...they have to catch this sick-o soon!

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Crazy Don on 10/21/02 at 10:35 a.m.

Well, I just heard that they caught a man with a van who may be the sniper.  I just hope that it is him.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Dude on 10/21/02 at 03:25 p.m.

Well, that turned out to be a big nothing. ::) I disagreed with the statement that the people in the area were overreacting but the media damn sure did when it came to covering that deal today. Turns out it was just two illeagels in a white van close to where a phone call originated from after the shooting Saturday night.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/21/02 at 10:09 p.m.

We've got way too many experts on the news profiling this/these jokers.  The networks and news outlets are devoting too much breathless space to this story.  After three weeks and over a dozen people shot, someone should explain why there isn't a wanted poster posted by now.  The only thing the public knows to look for is a light colored van or box truck.  

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Indy Gent on 10/21/02 at 10:18 p.m.

I don't think the police are going overboard. In fact, it seems they haven't done enough. What about the tourists? Or the poorer residents? Aren't they just as likely to be targeted by this remorseless bully? Let everyone in the DC area have the same protection as those that are well-off.
As for the media, haven't they learned from their mistakes post-911? The criminal or criminals are probably watching this panic attack and laughing their fool heads off. >:(

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/21/02 at 10:27 p.m.

That's what I mean, Indy. Experts say: He doesn't attack on the weekend?  He attacks on the weekend.  Media say: This is the surveillance area?  He attacks outside the area.  

I'm a strong believer in freedom of the press, but the first amendment has blood on its hands.  Again.




Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Indy Gent on 10/22/02 at 00:38 a.m.

Let's just say the sniper is always one step ahead of the cops. And the media has something to do with it. It makes us wonder if this assassin is really a ghost or an agent of God. :(

Quoting:
That's what I mean, Indy. Experts say: He doesn't attack on the weekend?  He attacks on the weekend.  Media say: This is the surveillance area?  He attacks outside the area.  

I'm a strong believer in freedom of the press, but the first amendment has blood on its hands.  Again.





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Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Dude on 10/22/02 at 09:10 a.m.

Nowadays its not get the story right but who gets it first and who can sensationalize the story and generate the most viewers.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: feldy32000 on 10/22/02 at 01:54 p.m.

I truly beleive that the media has and will get more people killed before this is over.

The sniper is feeding off all this attention AND is getting all the updated news on the investigation to find him.

"He who has the information stays one step ahead."

The police and FBI should make this a media blackout investigation.  That way the sniper wouldn't know how close or what clues they have.

Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.  Although I think I'm right.


feldy

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/22/02 at 03:25 p.m.

At work today a couple of people told me that the sniper was squeezing the authorities for money to quit.  Anybody know anything about that?  The two people that mentioned it said they heard it on the radio...

It makes sense to me.  This whole profiling thing is overblown.  It's hard for me to understand this guy as a spree killer, a joy killer, a serial killer.  I can understand a mercenary, though.  He's pretty well established that he can strike when and where he wants, and the authorities are helpless to stop him.  

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: MissInformation on 10/22/02 at 03:32 p.m.


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At work today a couple of people told me that the sniper was squeezing the authorities for money to quit.  Anybody know anything about that?  The two people that mentioned it said they heard it on the radio...

It makes sense to me.  This whole profiling thing is overblown.  It's hard for me to understand this guy as a spree killer, a joy killer, a serial killer.  I can understand a mercenary, though.  He's pretty well established that he can strike when and where he wants, and the authorities are helpless to stop him.  
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Here's an article from The Washington Post that mentions the money he's asking for (ten million bucks).  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62921-2002Oct22.html

He's as good of a definition of evil as I can think of, other than that, I don't know what he is.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/22/02 at 03:44 p.m.


Quoting:


Here's an article from The Washington Post that mentions the money he's asking for (ten million bucks).  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62921-2002Oct22.html

He's as good of a definition of evil as I can think of, other than that, I don't know what he is.
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Thank, MissInformation.  I agree with your characterization.  I guess the question being begged here is:  Do you give him the ten million?

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: CeramicsFanatic on 10/22/02 at 03:54 p.m.


Quoting:
I truly beleive that the media has and will get more people killed before this is over.

The sniper is feeding off all this attention AND is getting all the updated news on the investigation to find him.

"He who has the information stays one step ahead."

The police and FBI should make this a media blackout investigation.  That way the sniper wouldn't know how close or what clues they have.

Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.  Although I think I'm right.


feldy
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I agree with you, feldy.  I think the investigators are giving out much more information than they need to.  

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Screwball54 on 10/22/02 at 07:42 p.m.

Quoting:
That's what I mean, Indy. Experts say: He doesn't attack on the weekend?  He attacks on the weekend.  Media say: This is the surveillance area?  He attacks outside the area.  

I'm a strong believer in freedom of the press, but the first amendment has blood on its hands.  Again.
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 I disagree.  There is no proof that the sniper would not have struck again if the media had not made these observations. He may have struck in different spots within the survalence area, but the death toll may have been the same.  

 I am not saying that the Sniper is not taking his/her cues from the media, but if the media had not spoke he may have killed more people on the weekdays, or struck within the area.




Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Race_Bannon on 10/22/02 at 08:46 p.m.

It is horrible that people inside the investigation are leaking information out.  Yes, freedom of the press is a great thing but not at the expense of the lives of innocent people.  I hope Chief Moose tracks those leaks down and takes care of the personally, he looks kinda scary when he's p/o'd.
Paying him off would be a horrible thing to do, he's capable of killing for no reason and with a clear head (sociapathic, but clear to keep from being caught.) Why stop the 1st time?  Also will encourage others to maybe do the same.  

How is this freak doing this?  I think it's possible he's been trained for this type of thing.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Race_Bannon on 10/22/02 at 09:40 p.m.

What has he missed?  From my understanding he's never fired more than one shot.  As for training, I wasn't necessarily rererring to his marksmanship.  I'm a pretty good shot and there's lots out there but can you shoot people for no reason?  This guy has done this 11 different times under the most heavily policed area in the country, he's picks the right spots and gets away, that is where his skill is demonstrated.  

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: BLO-TOWN on 10/23/02 at 01:07 p.m.

If u dont live in the area, u cant say jack cause y'all don't know what it's like. I do. People cant mow lawns, go shopping, gas their car, walk to the bus or even stand by a window. Everyone is scared b/c they dont know whats next. It's very annoying having someone tell us we're over reacting when they're aren't the ones being shot randomly.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: southernspitfire on 10/24/02 at 02:35 a.m.

A man and his stepson have been arrested in connection with the shootings just about 2 hours ago


Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/24/02 at 04:47 a.m.


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A man and his stepson have been arrested in connection with the shootings just about 2 hours ago



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Thank God.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: dagwood on 10/24/02 at 05:44 a.m.


Quoting:
A man and his stepson have been arrested in connection with the shootings just about 2 hours ago



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I hope these are the guys and this will stop.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Dude on 10/24/02 at 09:46 a.m.

GOT 'EM!!! (Thank God)

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Crazy Don on 10/24/02 at 10:47 a.m.


Quoting:
I hope these are the guys and this will stop.
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Me too.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: MissInformation on 10/24/02 at 10:59 a.m.


Quoting:


Me too.
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Me three!

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Race_Bannon on 10/24/02 at 11:11 a.m.

Former military man, confirmed my theory.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: the_OlLine_Rebel on 10/24/02 at 11:38 a.m.


Quoting:
Former military man, confirmed my theory.
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This doesn't mean it's over.

We don't know yet if these people are doing the shooting, only that they could be connected.

And frankly, if nothing else happens that doesn't prove it either.  Again could be a smart criminal/terrorist knowing when to stop.

I hope it stops - but I'd very much like to catch ALL connected and see them ALL hang.  Justice isn't served until all actually guilty are caught.  Not fond of the idea of such a killer getting away while we just think, "phew, well no 1 else is dying".

Regards the "military" thing - I'd heard the man was in there somewhat briefly, and there is concern, too, about a "camp" in AL.  In short, though, we could all be wrong; best to wait it out a bit before commenting as if we know what's up.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: the_OlLine_Rebel on 10/24/02 at 11:44 a.m.


Quoting:
If u dont live in the area, u cant say jack cause y'all don't know what it's like. I do. People cant mow lawns, go shopping, gas their car, walk to the bus or even stand by a window. Everyone is scared b/c they dont know whats next. It's very annoying having someone tell us we're over reacting when they're aren't the ones being shot randomly.
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Sorry, that argument doesn't fly, because then none of us could "say jack" about a whole lot of things and we'd have to keep our mouths shut most of the time, and "freedom of speech" would be moot.  In fact, sometimes it's good to have an "outside" view to make sure you're not too biased and don't approach things unbalanced.

I live near there and am still concerned about it spreading just 10 min north.  I won't be comfortable for a while till a) shootings stop and b) solid evidence we have all the shooters/promulgaters.  I never believed 1 person is involved and I won't be surprised at all if there're more than 2.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Dude on 10/24/02 at 04:44 p.m.

B#%l S*!t!! Its them.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: ArchAngel on 10/24/02 at 05:13 p.m.


Quoting:


Me three!
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Me four!!

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Indy Gent on 10/24/02 at 05:33 p.m.

I'll have to agree with OlLine on this one. This is still America, and in America suspects are innocent until proven guilty. I understand the hurt that the victims families are suffering. But it isn't beyond the scope of reality that these guys were just at the wrong place at the wrong time. And justice partially done is not justice at all. The police are just assuming one or two people were in on the killings when the witnesses' descriptions of the man are different. This does puzzle me.
  And snipers do not all have military backgrounds. They just have to be sick or desperate. Remember "Taxi Driver" or "Targets" anyone?

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This doesn't mean it's over.

We don't know yet if these people are doing the shooting, only that they could be connected.

And frankly, if nothing else happens that doesn't prove it either.  Again could be a smart criminal/terrorist knowing when to stop.

I hope it stops - but I'd very much like to catch ALL connected and see them ALL hang.  Justice isn't served until all actually guilty are caught.  Not fond of the idea of such a killer getting away while we just think, "phew, well no 1 else is dying".

Regards the "military" thing - I'd heard the man was in there somewhat briefly, and there is concern, too, about a "camp" in AL.  In short, though, we could all be wrong; best to wait it out a bit before commenting as if we know what's up.
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Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: RockandRollFan on 10/24/02 at 05:40 p.m.


Quoting:


Me three!
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Me Four  :D (How's THAT for oringinal!)

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: dagwood on 10/25/02 at 05:39 a.m.

According to the news the gun they found matched the bullets they took out of the victims.  It looks like this really might be over.  Thank God.  

Quoting:If u dont live in the area, u cant say jack cause y'all don't know what it's like. I do. People cant mow lawns, go shopping, gas their car, walk to the bus or even stand by a window. Everyone is scared b/c they dont know whats next. It's very annoying having someone tell us we're over reacting when they're aren't the ones being shot randomly. End Quote



Blotown, I don't understand this statement.  Who said people in DC were overreacting.  As far as I can tell, everyone said that they would do the same thing if they were in the same situation.  I know I did and would.

Subject: Re: DC area going overboard with fear of the snipe

Written By: Race_Bannon on 10/25/02 at 11:21 a.m.


Quoting:



Regards the "military" thing - I'd heard the man was in there somewhat briefly, and there is concern, too, about a "camp" in AL.  In short, though, we could all be wrong; best to wait it out a bit before commenting as if we know what's up.
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