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Subject: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Hairspray on 10/24/02 at 07:09 p.m.

They have been caught - FINALLY!

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/marylandshootings021024.html

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/24/02 at 07:35 p.m.

And once again, thank God it happened.  

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Indy Gent on 10/24/02 at 07:52 p.m.

Let me emphasize, Hairspray, that these are only suspects. To me it just sounds too much cut and dried. I hope that if they did do it, they get sent to jail or executed in a Federal prison. At least until their trial is over, they are innocent until proven guilty.

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They have been caught - FINALLY!

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/marylandshootings021024.html

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Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/24/02 at 07:57 p.m.

I just heard on NPR that the captured gun ballistically matches the murder weapon.  

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Hairspray on 10/24/02 at 08:13 p.m.


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Let me emphasize, Hairspray, that these are only suspects. End Quote



Technicalities, technicalities.  ::)

It has already been proven they had the equipment, gun used, bullets, etc., etc., and so forth.

But thanks for "emphasizing" the un-needed, honorable as your intentions were. That is why I added a link to the article - For clarification of details.

Of course, they have to go through their due process of law. In the meantime, we should be darn happy because all of the evidence is there, already, laid out and it is strong and irrefutable.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/24/02 at 08:22 p.m.

Errrrr.... of course it's refutable, Hairspray.  That's why they have defense lawyers.  And I think you could argue whether anything has been proven at this point.  Someone had to be pretty sure this was the guy, though, so I feel confident he's the one.  Let's just hope he doesn't have Johnny Cochrane defend him.  

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Hairspray on 10/24/02 at 08:28 p.m.


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Errrrr.... of course it's refutable, Hairspray.  That's why they have defense lawyers.  And I think you could argue whether anything has been proven at this point.  Someone had to be pretty sure this was the guy, though, so I feel confident he's the one.  Let's just hope he doesn't have Johnny Cochrane defend him.  
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We also have to consider the telephone calls made by the snipers, which were recorded and traced. The Government agencies involved have the technology to prove without a doubt, they are the same persons who made the calls. I admit I feel, think and voice my opinion on this issue with a great confidence that could be showing here a tad overwhelmingly. Perhaps, I will do myself a favor and stop now.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/24/02 at 08:32 p.m.


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We also have to consider the telephone calls made by the snipers, which were recorded and traced. The Government agencies involved have the technology to prove without a doubt, they are the same persons who made the calls. I admit I feel, think and voice my opinion on this issue with a great confidence that could be showing here a tad overwhelmingly. Perhaps, I will do myself a favor and stop now.
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But you're always so polite when you're overwhelming  :)

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Hairspray on 10/24/02 at 08:36 p.m.


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But you're always so polite when you're overwhelming  :)
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Awww... Thanks.  :)

P.S. Maybe I should add that the irrefutable part, up there in one of my posts, is in my opinion.  ;)

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Screwball54 on 10/24/02 at 09:34 p.m.

 I just heard that this guy was so fed up about not being able to contact the police that he confessed to a priest, and the priest told the authorities.  I guess he's really not a criminal mastermind afterall.  I am just glad they are caught.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: feldy32000 on 10/24/02 at 09:42 p.m.

Well this certainly takes away the mystique of being a sniper for my halloween party tomorrow.

I'm still happy they have suspects in custody though.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Rice Cube on 10/24/02 at 10:31 p.m.


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 I just heard that this guy was so fed up about not being able to contact the police that he confessed to a priest, and the priest told the authorities.  I guess he's really not a criminal mastermind afterall.  I am just glad they are caught.
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Aren't priests supposed to keep confidentiality between the priest and the confessor?  Or is that just doctors and lawyers?  Anyway...thank goodness the guys have been apprehended.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: XenaKat13 on 10/24/02 at 11:20 p.m.


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Aren't priests supposed to keep confidentiality between the priest and the confessor?  Or is that just doctors and lawyers?  Anyway...thank goodness the guys have been apprehended.
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I don't know about that.  I always thought there was priest/confessor confidentiality, too, but now that there is talk of having it not apply anymore in the case of child sex abuse, maybe murder confessions would no longer be confidential, either.

I happened to see the arrest on live tv (at 3:15 am.  Insomnia is not as fun as it's cracked up to be). At that time, it was stated the persons arrested were reported by a passer-by and a person working at the rest-stop where the car was parked.

As Indy Gent said, they have not been proven to be the actual sniper/snipers, but since they were in possession of the actual weapon used in the shootings, it will be extremely difficult to prove innocence.  My guess is, their only hope will be to plead insanity.

I'm glad it's over.  Too many people have had to suffer.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Race_Bannon on 10/25/02 at 00:30 a.m.

I believe I've heard that if there is a confession that he's going to kill than they are required to report it to the authorities.

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Aren't priests supposed to keep confidentiality between the priest and the confessor?  Or is that just doctors and lawyers?  Anyway...thank goodness the guys have been apprehended.
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Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: dagwood on 10/25/02 at 05:43 a.m.

I guess the biggest sign will be if the shootings stop.  The sniper is just brazen enough to shoot again if the police arrest someone who they think is the sniper.  For the record...I think that they guys are the snipers and that the shooting will stop.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: XenaKat13 on 10/25/02 at 06:58 a.m.

Having been up all night with insomnia, I'm not sure if I heard this right or not.

It seems the sniper called a priest to talk, and the priest wasn't in.  So the sniper left a message on the answering machine!  :P :-/  If I heard that right, I'm pretty sure that negates the issue of confidentiality, since it would not then be an actual confession.

Also, the older fella is being called the "suspect" and the younger one a "material witness".  I'm not sure how or why they can keep him (the material witness) in custody, but once I catch up on sleep, and think about it, I bet it will make sense.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: the_OlLine_Rebel on 10/25/02 at 07:06 a.m.

1st of all, my apologies for my perhaps over-cautious statements earlier.  It does indeed look like these are the (main) men.  At least, they've tied them to 11 shootings and believe they have enough evidence to tie them to the other 2.

But in keeping w/my cautious nature, let's be sure these truly are the only people involved.  Hate to say but it looks like I was actually correct in saying it couldn't be just 1 person, but I won't be truly relieved for at least a week, to make sure no 1 else picks up on their rampage who was possibly involved in logistics, foils, etc.

What's really interesting is the (apparently) totally wrong nature of sightings THAT WERE REPORTED HEAVILY.  This is not to say that some did not claim to see a burgundy/blue Caprice, or black (or "dark-skinned") men - but apparently such were dismissed because only 1 or 2 repeats of those factoids were made this whole time while we kept hearing about white/light utility vehicles and white/Hispanic/Arabic guys.  OTOH, this may indicate more participants then we want to believe, partly why I'm still apprehensive.  I hope not.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: the_OlLine_Rebel on 10/25/02 at 07:10 a.m.

OMG!  I forgot to mention.....

:o  That's our favorite McDonald's traveling to Western MD!!! :o

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: the_OlLine_Rebel on 10/25/02 at 07:17 a.m.


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At that time, it was stated the persons arrested were reported by a passer-by and a person working at the rest-stop where the car was parked.

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We find out later that a trucker there at the McD's (it is big enough for trucks, we go there alot) recognized the car from the (suddenly appeared on Wed nite) reports and called in police.  They informed him to block the lot if possible which he did.  Good for him.  The trucker is back home in TN(?).

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: MissInformation on 10/25/02 at 08:26 a.m.


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1st of all, my apologies for my perhaps over-cautious statements earlier.  

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Nothing wrong with over-cautious!  I still think I'm going to feel a little bit apprehensive while crossing a parking lot for the next week or so.  But you know what?  Tonight's a night to celebrate!  I'm thinking there's a bottle of champagne at home that's begging to be uncorked!

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Syncronos on 10/25/02 at 10:48 a.m.

I think those guys are the snipers, but not the only ones. This sniper avoided capture for too long and managed to kill 10 people and wound three more. It just seems a little like a gift that "oh look! We caught em!"

Not to say that the evidence doesn't match, if what they say is true (the media being what it is), then these guys were involved. But...it just seems too easy to catch this one guy who's got questionable ties with Islam and military training. I do think they were involved, but I don't think it was only them. It's too easy a solution.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Marci on 10/25/02 at 10:56 a.m.

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure these are the right guys.  Up here, it's ALL OVER the news, constantly.  Like we are special or something for having nutballs from the area  ::) ...anyway they have pulled up tree stumps at a house in Tacoma (looking for bullet fragments), they have searched the kid's high school in Bellingham and took "something" from there, and of course now all the neighbors down there are either shocked ("I actually met them!"  "My kids went swimming with them!") or they are saying they had heard gunshots and so forth on different occasions..("It sounded like Bap! Bap! Bap!") I don't mean to sound rude but I just find it ridiculous that something as horrible as this has put us on the map in such a wierd way.  (Or as our newscasters like to call it, "The Northwest connection") :-/
In any case, I'm glad it looks like the whole thing is over.  Though I'm obviously not from around there, I can just imagine how scary it'd be to be living in fear all the time, like you have nowhere you can truly feel safe.   :'(

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Race_Bannon on 10/25/02 at 11:11 a.m.

I hear you clearly Marci, my co-worker was listing me as a suspect  ;)because I lived in Tacoma and Bellingham at differnt times.  There is one un-lucky gun shop in Tacoma that isn't appreciating the news on selling the gun (legally) to Muhommad.

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For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure these are the right guys.  Up here, it's ALL OVER the news, constantly.  Like we are special or something for having nutballs from the area  ::) ...anyway they have pulled up tree stumps at a house in Tacoma (looking for bullet fragments), they have searched the kid's high school in Bellingham and took "something" from there, and of course now all the neighbors down there are either shocked ("I actually met them!"  "My kids went swimming with them!") or they are saying they had heard gunshots and so forth on different occasions..("It sounded like Bap! Bap! Bap!") I don't mean to sound rude but I just find it ridiculous that something as horrible as this has put us on the map in such a wierd way.  (Or as our newscasters like to call it, "The Northwest connection") :-/
In any case, I'm glad it looks like the whole thing is over.  Though I'm obviously not from around there, I can just imagine how scary it'd be to be living in fear all the time, like you have nowhere you can truly feel safe.   :'(
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Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Hairspray on 10/25/02 at 11:34 a.m.

IMO, catching the suspects, finally, was not as cut and dried as some may think.

It took a lot more behind the scenes work than we or the media will ever know.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: XenaKat13 on 10/25/02 at 01:58 p.m.


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IMO, catching the suspects, finally, was not as cut and dried as some may think.

It took a lot more behind the scenes work than we or the media will ever know.
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This is soo true.  There is a lot of evidence, and communications from the snipers that were not released to the press.  For example, the "message" on the tarot card was much more than the "Dear police, I am God" that was reported.

We will not hear about these other details until the actual trial, or sometime after, if at all.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Sagnastian on 10/25/02 at 09:27 p.m.

Alright, maybe they'll release the movie "Phone Booth" on time.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: BrianMannixGirl on 10/26/02 at 08:36 a.m.

Its so good to hear they have these guys in custody - I saw on the news tonight footage of the car and how there were holes cut out of the boot so one could lie in it and shoot thru the holes.  No wonder no witness ever saw anyone running from the scene.  To go to the effort to modify your vehicle that way kinda screams major premeditation.

Does the state that this has occured in have the death penalty ?  I know its only in certain states over there.

Subject: Re: Snipers ARE CAUGHT!!!

Written By: Race_Bannon on 10/27/02 at 00:05 a.m.

Virgina and Maryland are wanting to charg them.  Virgina has a stronger death penalty, used much more often and can deliver to under 18 years, Maryland has to but can't deliver to under 18 years and only used sparingly.