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Subject: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Paul S. on 10/24/02 at 09:52 p.m.

I'm really shocked at the race/ethnicity of the "Sniper".  Usually these kind of psychos are White Anglo men.  Occasinally a Hispanic man may do these things, but I've never heard of a Black man just going on a single minded psycho killing spree, and taunting the police like the Sniper has.

This is a weird change in the profile of a serial killer.  

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: TarzanBoy on 10/24/02 at 09:54 p.m.

Nope. There's was Wayne Williams of the Atlanta Child Murders fame...

Tarzan Boy

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Hairspray on 10/24/02 at 10:02 p.m.


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This is a weird change in the profile of a serial killer.  
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They stated tonight on the news that if this case has proven anything, it is the fact that there is no such thing as a specific profile (or a general profile, for that matter) for a serial killer and that it should be determined on a case by case basis.

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Rice Cube on 10/24/02 at 10:27 p.m.


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Nope. There's was Wayne Williams of the Atlanta Child Murders fame...

Tarzan Boy
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My friend Watt said that there was no such thing as a black serial killer historically, and this was corroborated by Chris Rock's stand-up routine stating that black people weren't crazy.  However, this Wayne Williams guy gives me what I need to prove both of them wrong :)

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Indy Gent on 10/24/02 at 11:56 p.m.

The race of the criminal is not important here. The important thing is that it is proven in a court of law that these men are guilty on all counts of murder and are not just another black man getting shafted in court. The justice system in the US is fragile enough without a bunch of yee-haws trying to showboat for the cameras.  

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: CeramicsFanatic on 10/25/02 at 01:47 a.m.


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How ridiculous do all those "forensic criminologists" must look now.

Tarzan Boy
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I disagree with this statement.  I have read enough crime books to know that forensic criminologists have a lot to do with the eventual capture of perpetrators.  They may not be 100% accurate all the time, but without them most of these cases would probably go unsolved.

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: philbo_baggins on 10/25/02 at 04:41 a.m.


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I'm really shocked at the race/ethnicity of the "Sniper".  Usually these kind of psychos are White Anglo men.  Occasinally a Hispanic man may do these things, but I've never heard of a Black man just going on a single minded psycho killing spree, and taunting the police like the Sniper has.
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Maybe he's been sponsored by the racial equality people?  After all, it might take a bit of positive discrimination before we have the same percentage in the field of serial killers as the population as a whole.

I think the sex discrimination people ought to take note, too: there haven't been anything like enough female serial killers - they are seriously underrepresented.

Phil

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: XenaKat13 on 10/25/02 at 07:12 a.m.

I've read a bunch of true-crime books, by various detectives and forensic experts, and they all agree that while "profiling" is not an exact science, it is an important tool.

If a profiler comes up with 7 traits for a suspect, and someone close to the victim "matches" some (or even all) of these traits, the police will concentrate their investigation on that person(s).  Almost all profilers will admit that they are wrong as often as they are right.

Check your library for some true-crime books for more info, but I must warn you, if there are photos, don't look!  There is always at least one  autopsy photo and even in black and white, they are gruesome.  :-X

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: the_OlLine_Rebel on 10/25/02 at 07:27 a.m.

Agree XK, profiling is a rather powerful tool.  Even if it would be asinine to stop someone just because they fit 1 standard description, it would be stupid to ignore someone who fits many.  Like you said, it takes quite a few profiles - not just race, despite what the hustlers want you to think - for much attention to be paid.  Not to mention, I'd think they need some other probable cause.

OTOH, it can get ridiculous to be molested even based on several profiles.  A co-worker (friend of another co-worker friend of mine - I know him but we're not friends per se) was molested by cops once while driving his beat-up old little foreign car south on 95 from NJ-DE area in eastern MD.  They made him get out and molested his car looking for drugs.  He's white, not black.  So no, profiling is not always about race.  Sometimes it's about cars AND locations!

In the meantime, I don't think you can drop the white male label for serial killers for 2 black guys.  The vast majority are white.  And worse, hell, all this time people have been completely puzzled by this rampage - they said the rampage itself didn't fit the "serial" image, nor did it fit the "terrorist" image.  I guess this dude has carved out a whole new niche for himself.

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Marci on 10/25/02 at 11:10 a.m.


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Now, if you think about it, gangmembers doing drive-bys are kind of like amateur snipers and you get all the races in that category.
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I think you make a good point, Tarzan Boy.  All the gangbangers that are killing people on a regular basis are, in many cases (I know, not all) technically "serial killers"..I mean they are killing several people for the same "reason"......now I have never studied serial killers, so I don't know if there is some particular background on exactly what or why they do what they do--but I think that gangs have caused just as much pain and discontent as many of the serial killers out there have.  :-/

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Race_Bannon on 10/25/02 at 11:18 a.m.

I just wish to clarify a point, Forensics involve the process of identifying the bullets, very valuable.  Forensics also don't often find the bad guys as protrayed in CSI but are instumental in building the case for conviction.  They are very important.  
As far as profiles go, they need strong patterns to build one, this guy didn't do that. His motivations for killing certainly don't seem the "norm" from what we know of him yet.    
The only thing I thought was (ex)military training, not because of his shooting accuracy, but becaues showed familiarity with shooting in hostile environment and could set-up and escape.  

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: the_OlLine_Rebel on 10/25/02 at 12:00 a.m.


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The only thing I thought was (ex)military training, not because of his shooting accuracy, but becaues showed familiarity with shooting in hostile environment and could set-up and escape.  
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Only problem RB, is that apparently he was taking these shots from inside a car using a tripod.  Pretty steady, and the average distance was only 100 yds.  Not tremendous range at all (a Brown Bess could hit something pretty accurately at that distance) - altho' maybe he just wanted to ensure his shots if he could help it.  And he DID also apparently get awarded for being a good shot as a "regular soldier".

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Race_Bannon on 10/25/02 at 12:23 a.m.

Exactly.  Set up to maximise accuracy and cover tracks.  Using the car deadend the sound and muzzle flash.  Close lid and drive away.  Very smooth.

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Only problem RB, is that apparently he was taking these shots from inside a car using a tripod.  Pretty steady, and the average distance was only 100 yds.  Not tremendous range at all (a Brown Bess could hit something pretty accurately at that distance) - altho' maybe he just wanted to ensure his shots if he could help it.  And he DID also apparently get awarded for being a good shot as a "regular soldier".
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Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Steve_H_2002 on 10/25/02 at 03:37 p.m.

So, does this mean we don't have to worry about thirty year old white men in box trucks anymore?

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Tv on 10/27/02 at 07:10 p.m.

I don't care what color the guy is. He should be executed. I'm tired of all this black , white, and hispanic stuff. Everybody is a person. Its 2002 except everybody as a person regardless of race. If any person does a crime they should be punished regardless of race.

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: the_OlLine_Rebel on 10/29/02 at 08:49 a.m.


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So, does this mean we don't have to worry about thirty year old white men in box trucks anymore?
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Well, I'm confident they got the guy(s) directly responsible for these shootings.  But I said directly.  I DO think it's strange on the 1 hand that police seemed to muffle word about a Caprice and "dark-skinned" perps that occasionally popped up, but on the other hand, it's still strange that so many white/Hispanic/Arab and light-colored SUV/box truck/minivan reports came up.  I'm either thinking there's more to this and it's not over, or coincidentally these (very common for business) vehicles esp. kept being seen.  Maybe Muhammed had either decoys or dupes.  Did he have other guys in cahoots deliberatly drawing attention away (and who may pick up where he left off), or did he largely wait for such business vehicles to appear while he waited, so maybe people would confuse that?

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Goreripper on 10/30/02 at 04:10 a.m.

Other black serial killers include: Henry Louis Wallace, who raped and strangled nine women in Charlotte, NC between 1992 and 1994; Marc Sappington, who thought he was a vampire and killed several people in Kansas City; and Kendall Francois, who murdered about 10 women in Poughkeepsie, NY and hid their bodies in his home.

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: philbo_baggins on 10/30/02 at 05:20 a.m.


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Marc Sappington, who thought he was a vampire and killed several people in Kansas City;
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...and guess what his defence must have been ;-)

Phil

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Indy Gent on 10/30/02 at 03:18 p.m.

Well, IMHO, he sucks. :P ;) :-[

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...and guess what his defence must have been ;-)

Phil
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Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Goreripper on 10/31/02 at 01:26 a.m.


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...and guess what his defence must have been ;-)

Phil
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Voices... voices told him to do it. Or else he'd die.

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: philbo_baggins on 10/31/02 at 04:07 a.m.


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Well, IMHO, he sucks. :P ;) :-[End Quote


Hahahahaahahahhahaa<Bonk!>
ROFLMAO

Phil

Subject: Re: Is the Sniper the first Black Serial Killer?

Written By: Tbullsr on 11/06/02 at 03:34 p.m.

How about the Black guy who killed all the White people on the train in (I think it was Long Island, N.Y.) a few years ago. The liberal media would like you to believe all this is done by us White Anglo Men. Not so!  

And if it wasn't for Cheif Moose they would have caught these morons sooner. He refused to be specific about the race of the sniper because he was black and didn't want to offend anyone because of political correctness.

Tim