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Subject: Bring Sadam to his knees.
I support President Bush.
Bring Sadam to his knees.
I know that voicing any opinion that may be considered “pro-war” is very unpopular in the media but I feel the need to voice it in the face of all the media attention that anti-Bush people are getting.
In the interest of long-term US security, it is important that the US expand its influence around that globe. We are strong but not strong enough. We need military bases all over the Middle East so that they can take the brunt of extremist violence.
We need to make our move in the Middle East while we can.
I am not a religious man but the US is the strongest for a reason. We have strong values like human rights and freedom of religion. I believe it is our destiny to lead the world and help it evolve.
I’m also sick and tired of Hollywood people constantly using their influence to sway the general public.
Grow a backbone America!
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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I support President Bush.
Bring Sadam to his knees.
I know that voicing any opinion that may be considered “pro-war” is very unpopular in the media but I feel the need to voice it in the face of all the media attention that anti-Bush people are getting.
In the interest of long-term US security, it is important that the US expand its influence around that globe. We are strong but not strong enough. We need military bases all over the Middle East so that they can take the brunt of extremist violence.
We need to make our move in the Middle East while we can.
I am not a religious man but the US is the strongest for a reason. We have strong values like human rights and freedom of religion. I believe it is our destiny to lead the world and help it evolve.
I’m also sick and tired of Hollywood people constantly using their influence to sway the general public.
Grow a backbone America!
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Expand our influence around the globe? Haven't we already done that. Isn't there a McDonalds in every country?We are the 'strongest' because we have lied and bullied our ideas and culture into every country. Some have bowed down to us and others have not. It is not our place to make countries do what we want simply because we think we are 'superiour" to them. What makes out 'values' better than another cultures values? How dare we assume that everybody should be just like us. Russia get rid of communism and tried capitalism and look what happened. They are in chaos and the whole country is practically run by the Russian Mafia.
The reason, and the only reason why we care about what is happening in the middle east is that they have the oil. We could care less about human rights. Look at how women were treated in Afghanistan. Did we help them? No we did not. The only reason why we bombed them was because they would not let us put an oil pipeline through their country. George Bush used the terrorism angle to get his way because his family, and administration cronies,had a stake in said oil pipeline.
It is our destiny to lead the world and help it evolve? That sounds like what Hitler wanted to do with the Third Reich. Take over the world and force a certain set of values down peoples' throats. We don't have a right to do that, no country does. This is an arogant society to think that we do.
I dated a guy who got sent to Afghanastan cause he was in the military. For what reason? Because little George didn't get his way with his precious pipeline. Do you really want us to go to war because a bunch of greedy rich Americans want rights to the vast oilfields in the middle east? Is that worth losing thousands of lives over? I think not, and I feel ashamed to be an American because of our greed and our holier than thou form of government.IT'S NOT ABOUT TERRORISM IT"S ABOUT OIL!!!!
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
I disagree with many of your points. I will mention one of them.
Everybody thinks that all President Bush wants is to put a few more bucks in his pants. If you were president, wouldn't you feel a little more responsible for the welfare of your country? You make it sound like all he is interested in is his own personal gain and the gain of his friends and family. I give him more credit then that. I don't even think Gore would agree with your post on that point.
Thanks for replying to my topic.
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So it's all about oil, all right, yes. But it's also about terrorism. Even if it everything were entirely about oil, with no other concern whatsoever for any other factor, then bombing Afghanistan would be the right action for the wrong reason (or almost the right action, I guess. Sorry, bombed Afghani civilians).
But yeah, "expanding our influence and values" should not be a major reason for doing anything.
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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It is not our place to make countries do what we want simply because we think we are 'superiour" to them. What makes out 'values' better than another cultures values? How dare we assume that everybody should be just like us.
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Thank you, Vampira, for saying that as an American - when us from outside voice those sort of sentiments, the reaction so often seems to be "you guys are all against us"... hell, looking at Hair's post, I can see why the rest of the world would be anti-American. Fortunately, not all Americans have those sorts of views.
I do think that saying it's all about oil and personal profit is an oversimplification, but it's definitely a major factor (if not the major factor) in US foreign policy decisions.
Phil
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
I must say this particular subject is lighting a fire in me. As a military veteran, wife and adopted mother to two active duty members and mother to two possible future military memebers I resent someone saying that the military shouldn't have been sent over there. I have issues with the military, but they are personal, not about the mission. My husband and son put on their uniform every day and do a job that is difficult, underpaid, and obviously by some unappreciated. This so that you can have your freedoms. Including the ones that allowo you to burn flags and complain about your government! I am not saying Bush isn't making some really bad decisions about certain issues and no, I certainly don't want more war, but when my son went to New York after the attack and came home a changed person, when our active duty who are dropping food to the CIVILIANS IN NEED are being shot at but are not allowed to be armed, and they spend more time away from their families then they do at home and don't speak about what they have seen when they come home, well, I guess it becomes something more than being about oil and world domination.
Someone said we should not try to push our values on the rest of the world and then spoke of how we are not going in and changing the plight of the Afghan women. We can't do both their values are different then ours. I agree they are treated porrly, but so are many people the world over. We can't fix everything and there are plenty of things we should stay out of. I think we need to wait and see what happens with Sadam and his "report" before we start making threats, for one thing, but I think we should protect the interests of our country as well. Thousands of people dies on September 11th, because someone's values were different then our own.
These things are all about oil??? I don't think so.
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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I disagree with many of your points. I will mention one of them.
Everybody thinks that all President Bush wants is to put a few more bucks in his pants. If you were president, wouldn't you feel a little more responsible for the welfare of your country? You make it sound like all he is interested in is his own personal gain and the gain of his friends and family. I give him more credit then that. I don't even think Gore would agree with your post on that point.
Thanks for replying to my topic.
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Politicians,in general, do not go into office to serve the people these days.Almost all politicians are rich, and many go into office for personal gain of some sort.Be it money for themselves, or policies to help the corporations that gave them money to run for office. I am not saying all politicians are corrupt but many are.
I really feel Bush is trying to get us to invade Iraq so that he will seem more stately and powerful,to us and to his oil hungry cronies. Terrorism is a secondary reason for it, and I will admit that. Well, if he cared so much about terrorism what is he going to do about North Korea?We just found missles that they made in a ship that was heading to Yemen. Probably nothing. You know why? Because China backs them. China has a vast ammount of human rights violations and yet we are friends with them. Why? Because we are a money hungry country who values the trade money we can get from them rather than about how they treat their own people. Plus the fact that they could probably kick our butt in a war.
Blind devotion to a government is a dangerous thing. Always question what they do and why they do it.I am sorry I am so angry about this topic but I get passionate about things I believe in.
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And I say, as a person whose family had to escape a region torn by a war primarily funded by the United States, that the issue IS very much about oil. It is very much about Israel's lobby influence in the White House. It is very much about exerting global influence and pushing weight around. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREEDOM (we already had freedom before all this). This should be so painfully obvious: A reason why the US chooses to fight small fry, like Iraq and Serbia, over true global threats like China, Pakistan, and North Korea.
It is unbelievable, but the lot of Americans do possess an egocentric, warped view of the world. Then they act surprised when something like 09-11 happens - after all the years of pouring salt into old wounds. Read what happened in Afghanistan in the 80s and how the United States was involved then... The CIA armed and trained the same enemy we're fighting!
So, yes, count me as one more American against Georgie's little war. It is just so hypocritical: I couldn't support this move with a clear conscience.
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Exactly!!!!We only help countries that have something that we want. Oil.
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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So, yes, count me as one more American against Georgie's little war. It is just so hypocritical: I couldn't support this move with a clear conscience.
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I certainly never said I wanted a war either, however keep in mind that many of the people who are being sent over there truly do believe in what THEY are fighting for.
Also, if the US is such a horrible place filled with egotistical, thoughtless people than why do so many feel the need to come to our country?
We do have our problems, but we certainly have our good points too.
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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I certainly never said I wanted a war either, however keep in mind that many of the people who are being sent over there truly do believe in what THEY are fighting for.
Also, if the US is such a horrible place filled with egotistical, thoughtless people than why do so many feel the need to come to our country?
We do have our problems, but we certainly have our good points too.
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Excellent point.
You know I find it ironic that the same peace-nick/tree-huggin/electric car driving/anti-war crowd, who oppose the US's involvement in Iraq based on oil, simultaneously opposes the US trying to find our own supply of oil here in America, ie Alaska.
Take for example, Al Gore. He went on Letterman a month or so back and said he would have gotten us off of Middle Eastern oil. And the morons in the audience applauded and he gave that smirk. While watching that, I was thinking. Wait a minute, Gore was one of the top opposers to the US drilling for its own oil, therefore if we no longer got oil from the Middle East, and could not drill for our own oil here in the US because of the environmentalists, what the heck do the peace-nick/tree-huggin/electric car driving/anti-war want us to do? Drive around in Flintstone cars powered by our feet? And don't even say electric cars.
Now granted, this pending war is not 100% about oil. There are many other factors. Its just a shame some people can't get that through their heads.
Support the Military, support the President. After all, who knows more about what is acually going on in Iraq and the whole situation in general? The Governement or the peace-nick/tree-huggin/electric car driving/anti-war people? I think the answer is obvious. Now how about letting the ones who actually do it for a living do their job.
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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Excellent point.
You know I find it ironic that the same peace-nick/tree-huggin/electric car driving/anti-war crowd, who oppose the US's involvement in Iraq based on oil, simultaneously opposes the US trying to find our own supply of oil here in America, ie Alaska.
Take for example, Al Gore. He went on Letterman a month or so back and said he would have gotten us off of Middle Eastern oil. And the morons in the audience applauded and he gave that smirk. While watching that, I was thinking. Wait a minute, Gore was one of the top opposers to the US drilling for its own oil, therefore if we no longer got oil from the Middle East, and could not drill for our own oil here in the US because of the environmentalists, what the heck do the peace-nick/tree-huggin/electric car driving/anti-war want us to do? Drive around in Flintstone cars powered by our feet? And don't even say electric cars.
Now granted, this pending war is not 100% about oil. There are many other factors. Its just a shame some people can't get that through their heads.
Support the Military, support the President. After all, who knows more about what is acually going on in Iraq and the whole situation in general? The Governement or the peace-nick/tree-huggin/electric car driving/anti-war people? I think the answer is obvious. Now how about letting the ones who actually do it for a living do their job.
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Ronald Reagan was mentally incapable of making any sense towards the end of his term in office.*cough*
Instead of using oil we should look into other ways to fuel cars. The major car companies have lobbied against finding an alternative to gas powered cars. Plain and simple. The technology exists yet our politicians are too afraid to go against the car companies because they would lose money for their campaigns.Drilling in Alaska would only be a temporary solution, because ALL of the oil is going to run out within my life time. What are we going to do then? Ask Santa to bring us some for Christmas?
The government may know about the situation but they are lying to the world about their motives in handling it.That much is obvious. I am not a tree hugging,etc....liberal. I, and others, do not like to be defined in a narrow type of way.I,for one, think the way I think because I question the goverment and read between the lines. If people here did not question the government then the American Revolution would have never happened. Your blind support does not serve you well.
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Drilling in Alaska would only be a temporary solution, because ALL of the oil is going to run out within my life time. End Quote
Let me guess, you just came from a Greenpeace rally.
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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Let me guess, you just came from a Greenpeace rally.
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Oooh, that was soooo witty of you.
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Let me guess, you just came from a Greenpeace rally.
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Instead of attempting to be witty why don't you back your statements up? It's funny that some conservatives can't back up their statements with facts. Was that an attempt to belittle me? I'm crying...look... :'(
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Instead of attempting to be witty why don't you back your statements up? It's funny that some conservatives can't back up their statements with facts. Was that an attempt to belittle me? I'm crying...look... :'(
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Oh don't cry. Your crying more than Al Gore did after he found out his 3rd recount still didn't find him as the winner. But anyway...
What do you want me to say? I said what I needed to say and thats it. What facts do you want/need?
And no I wasn't trying to belittle you, your statement about the oil running out just sounded like a Greenpeace commercial.
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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Instead of attempting to be witty why don't you back your statements up? It's funny that some conservatives can't back up their statements with facts. Was that an attempt to belittle me? I'm crying...look... :'(
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I think it was because you brought-up Reagan for no reason and insulted him. Not that it makes it right or anything, of course:
"Ronald Reagan was mentally incapable of making any sense towards the end of his term in office.*cough*"
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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I think it was because you brought-up Reagan for no reason and insulted him. Not that it makes it right or anything, of course:
"Ronald Reagan was mentally incapable of making any sense towards the end of his term in office.*cough*"
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Sorry about that,but people who worship Reagan scare me greatly. I had to say it. I stick my foot in my mouth a lot.
To the conservative guy: Why did my oil running out statement sound like something that Greenpeace would say? It's actually a scientific fact.Seriously....
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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Ronald Reagan was mentally incapable of making any sense towards the end of his term in office.*cough*
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http://reagan.webteamone.com/alz.cfm
Actually Reagan wasn't diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease until 1994.
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Drilling in Alaska would only be a temporary solution, because ALL of the oil is going to run out within my life time. What are we going to do then? Ask Santa to bring us some for Christmas?
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How do you know this when we don't know how much oil is left in the world?
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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I think it was because you brought-up Reagan for no reason and insulted him. Not that it makes it right or anything, of course:
"Ronald Reagan was mentally incapable of making any sense towards the end of his term in office.*cough*"
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Actually, I took that statement for whats it was worth. But now that you mention it...as Screwball said, it wasn't until 1994 when he was actually diagnosed. So your timeline is a bit off.
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Your crying more than Al Gore did after he found out his 3rd recount still didn't find him as the winner. But anyway...
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:D :D :D
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:D :D :D
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Thank you thank you. I just couldn't resist.
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Suffice to say, it's a good thing The Brown Shirts don't get to make all the important decisions. On the other hand, if war-mongerers get their way, it could introduce the beginning of the long-overdue human extinction - and that's a good thing. Maybe I should vote more often for the National Soc... I mean Republicans.
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On the other hand, if war-mongerers get their way, it could introduce the beginning of the long-overdue human extinction...
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Oh yea I forgot, lets give peace a chance. OK people, we're all going to join hands and sing Kumbaya, and that will magically end the world's conflicts. I just know Saddam will dis-arm when he hears us singing. Oh, and be sure to wear a flower in your hair.
Give me a break.
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Sorry about that,but people who worship Reagan scare me greatly. End Quote
I don't worship the guy. I just think he was a great leader, something we havn't had in a long time.
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To the conservative guy: Why did my oil running out statement sound like something that Greenpeace would say? It's actually a scientific fact.Seriously....
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Sorry, what you are calling scientific fact has been disputed time and time again. One report says it is running out, another says it isn't. Who do you believe?
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Oh yea I forgot, lets give peace a chance. OK people, we're all going to join hands and sing Kumbaya, and that will magically end the world's conflicts. I just know Saddam will dis-arm when he hears us singing. Oh, and be sure to wear a flower in your hair.
Give me a break.
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Of course this statement comes from a fellow who doesn't care if someone else's rights are infringed upon - just as long as you don't take his guns away.
But why me? I'm with you 100%. Let's go bomb everything to smithereens! Let us show our prowess! Let us eliminate, destroy the weak.
In the words of the Il Duce, Benito Mussolini: "Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!" And a Roman salutation to you too my fellow Combatant Di Fasci.
One more time:
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
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I don't worship the guy. I just think he was a great leader, something we havn't had in a long time.
Sorry, what you are calling scientific fact has been disputed time and time again. One report says it is running out, another says it isn't. Who do you believe?
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I would like to wear flowers in my hair...it's pretty! We are going to disagree on this and no matter what we say to each other we are not going to change our minds. By the way I grew up three blocks away from Haight Street in San Francisco. I am your worst nightmare come to life! ;D
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Of course this statement comes from a fellow who doesn't care if someone else's rights are infringed upon - just as long as you don't take his guns away.
But why me? I'm with you 100%. Let's go bomb everything to smithereens! Let us show our prowess! Let us eliminate, destroy the weak.
In the words of the Il Duce, Benito Mussolini: "Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!" And a Roman salutation to you too my fellow Combatant Di Fasci.
One more time:
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
"Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!"
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That was great!!! Do you listen to The Dead Kennedys by the way? ;)
Subject: Re: Bring Sadam to his knees.
I'll jump-in and say better America be stronger than Afganistan, I don't care what the reasons are.
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Y'all better chill out before I go get William Tong and things get wild up in here! ;D;D;D
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That was great!!! Do you listen to The Dead Kennedys by the way? ;)
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... and The Germs, Crass, The Business, Agent Orange, Minor Threat, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
You remind me of another person from Portland... Are all people from Portland this cool? Hmhmhmha.
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Of course this statement comes from a fellow who doesn't care if someone else's rights are infringed upon - just as long as you don't take his guns away.End Quote
Now where did that come from?
Quoting:But why me? I'm with you 100%. Let's go bomb everything to smithereens! Let us show our prowess! Let us eliminate, destroy the weak.End Quote
OK, now you're putting words in my mouth. When did I say, "Let's go bomb everything to smithereens."? However, Saddam needs to be dealt with, and if you can't understand that, well I have pity for you. Unfortunately, sitting on our hands and waiting isn't going to take care of the situation.
Quoting:In the words of the Il Duce, Benito Mussolini: "Might Makes Right. Believe. Obey. Fight!" And a Roman salutation to you too my fellow Combatant Di Fasci.End Quote
Oh so now you're comparing me to Mussolini and a Combatant Di Fasci? You're amazing. Even I didn't go that low.
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I am your worst nightmare come to life! ;D
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No I doubt it. I'm sure in person we could probably be friends, just as long as we don't talk politics. ;D ;)
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... and The Germs, Crass, The Business, Agent Orange, Minor Threat, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
You remind me of another person from Portland... Are all people from Portland this cool? Hmhmhmha.
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That is so cool!!!I like Misfits, Samhain,Danzig,Exploited,Dead Kennedys,etcccc...
HA! I wish there were more cool people in Portland!I just moved here five months ago from the SF Bay Area, and in about two months I am moving to Silver Spring Maryland. It is boring in Portland!!!! ;D
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I would like to wear flowers in my hair...it's pretty!
I agree 100% It is very pretty
We are going to disagree on this and no matter what we say to each other we are not going to change our minds.
I agree to disagree, and I will probably read, but not post to this particular discussion. I don't want to say the wrong thing, and it is obviously a hot button for many of us.
I hope this doesn't become a personal thing between people. We don't necessarily have to always agree. Things will happen one way or another, and until we hold an office, sign a petition or elections come around there isn't too many things we little people are going to be able to do to change things.
I have posted my viewpoint...not an opinion of government and foreign policy, from the viewpoint of the front line in the military.....our household believes in fighting terrorism and all those who promote it.
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No I doubt it. I'm sure in person we could probably be friends, just as long as we don't talk politics. ;D ;)
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:)I always get really heated about politics.
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Oh so now you're comparing me to Mussolini and a Combatant Di Fasci? You're amazing. Even I didn't go that low.
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The precise moment when you hit rock bottom was:
"Support the Military, support the President. After all, who knows more about what is acually going on in Iraq and the whole situation in general? The Governement or the peace-nick/tree-huggin/electric car driving/anti-war people? I think the answer is obvious. Now how about letting the ones who actually do it for a living do their job."
Spoken like a true Brown Shirt :) I'm with you 100%. We have to show our superiority and demonstrate to the world WE are right because WE say so.
On a separate note: Let me assume you're the type of fellow who is against the recreational use drugs by citizens, but supports gun ownership: An average, garden-variety... Republican. Right? What happened to freedom? Who cares as long as you get to keep your right to arm yourself to the teeth, right? Or are you "compassionate" enough to let drugs be legalized? This is what I meant by my previous statement regarding your comment...
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Spoken like a true Brown Shirt :) I'm with you 100%. We have to show our superiority and demonstrate to the world WE are right because WE say so.
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Well, as much as I resent your comparison to myself, George Bush, and the government to "The Brown Shirts", I respect your right to say it.
Quoting:On a separate note: Let me assume you're the type of fellow who is against the recreational use drugs by citizens, but supports gun ownership: An average, garden-variety... Republican. Right? What happened to freedom? Who cares as long as you get to keep your right to arm yourself to the teeth, right? Or are you "compassionate" enough to let drugs be legalized? This is what I meant by my previous statement regarding your comment...
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"What hapened to Freedom"? Since when was it your right to possess illegal narcotics? I'm not even going to get into the drug/gun thing or we'll be here all night. We already had that argument a month or so ago. If you are so inclined, feel free to search for that thread and read what was said.
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:)I always get really heated about politics.
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I understand. I do the same thing.
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That is so cool!!!I like Misfits, Samhain,Danzig,Exploited,Dead Kennedys,etcccc...
HA! I wish there were more cool people in Portland!I just moved here five months ago from the SF Bay Area, and in about two months I am moving to Silver Spring Maryland. It is boring in Portland!!!! ;D
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No way. That bad, huh? I actually thought Portland was alright. It's always the smaller places that have some of the best alternative people, but coming from SF must've been a real culture shock...
Silver Spring, Maryland? Is that anywhere near the place where the snipers...? Wear a bulletproof vest and some riot gear a la Front 242!
... and whilst I listen to Punk, Emo, and Oi!, my faves will always be synth junk like DeMode, Clan Of Xymox, and VNV Nation. You know, the kind of stuff those mopey kiddies listen to...
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No way. That bad, huh? I actually thought Portland was alright. It's always the smaller places that have some of the best alternative people, but coming from SF must've been a real culture shock...
Silver Spring, Maryland? Is that anywhere near the place where the snipers...? Wear a bulletproof vest and some riot gear a la Front 242!
... and whilst I listen to Punk, Emo, and Oi!, my faves will always be synth junk like DeMode, Clan Of Xymox, and VNV Nation. You know, the kind of stuff those mopey kiddies listen to...
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I listen to a lot of goth music besides punk. One of those shootings happened wright down the street from where I am going to live!!! I DJ sometimes at a goth night in a club, and the scene here is so small that everybody has pretty much slept with everybody else!!! It's scary.... I am moving because I need a change of pace from the west coast. Where are you from?
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Do the people who have posted in this thread already agree that Saddam Hussein is a credible threat to global stability? Just curious.
I personally don't think he can hurt ME directly...but the allegations against him are a bit too strong to ignore :-/
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Do the people who have posted in this thread already agree that Saddam Hussein is a credible threat to global stability? Just curious.
I personally don't think he can hurt ME directly...but the allegations against him are a bit too strong to ignore :-/
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He's a threat, but nuking him isn't going to solve the underlying issues. We are still going to have terrorism in this county, and we are going to want even more oil than he has.
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Well, then I guess Americans will have to stop buying those damned gas-guzzling SUVs then, eh? ;D
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Well, then I guess Americans will have to stop buying those damned gas-guzzling SUVs then, eh? ;D
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That would help! ;D
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That would help! ;D
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That way, A) it would alleviate the focus of your concern, that we depend too much on foreign oil, or oil period, for that matter and B) we'd save the environment and keep everyone happy :)
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That way, A) it would alleviate the focus of your concern, that we depend too much on foreign oil, or oil period, for that matter and B) we'd save the environment and keep everyone happy :)
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Most of the SUVs out there aren't even really made to do actual off roading. They are a status symbol. ;D
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Most of the SUVs out there aren't even really made to do actual off roading. They are a status symbol. ;D
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Dude, I know! they're so incredibly annoying, AND some of them have sh**ty handling and crappy acceleration and they don't even have as much power as they advertise, and they take up SOOOOO much damned space on the highway and their high beams blind you even when you have the mirror set to "night" and blah blah I HATE SUVs!!! And the people who drive them and don't use them properly >:(
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Dude, I know! they're so incredibly annoying, AND some of them have sh**ty handling and crappy acceleration and they don't even have as much power as they advertise, and they take up SOOOOO much damned space on the highway and their high beams blind you even when you have the mirror set to "night" and blah blah I HATE SUVs!!! And the people who drive them and don't use them properly >:(
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SUVs are evil and must be destroyed!!!!!! >:( ;D
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SUVs are evil and must be destroyed!!!!!! >:( ;D
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Either that or they need to make them more efficient :-/ I got big money saying that you can get a WHOLE lot more out of a gallon of gasoline than a measly 16 miles.
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lol.."12 feet long and 3 lanes wide, 18 tonnes of American pride...Canyonaro"
I'm not sure we really have SUVs in the UK, unless you count the range rover.
These don't take up too much room and they are pretty fast so I don't usually have much trouble with them.
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Either that or they need to make them more efficient :-/ I got big money saying that you can get a WHOLE lot more out of a gallon of gasoline than a measly 16 miles.
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LOL!!!!! ;D
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lol.."12 feet long and 3 lanes wide, 18 tonnes of American pride...Canyonaro"
I'm not sure we really have SUVs in the UK, unless you count the range rover.
These don't take up too much room and they are pretty fast so I don't usually have much trouble with them.
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That was a Simpson's quote, wasn't it?
I liked one of the recent episodes where Rainier Wolfcastle was driving a Hummer...Marge asked him what the mileage was and he said "1 highway, 0 city"...so funny :D
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That was a Simpson's quote, wasn't it?
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Yeah!
Krusty the clown advertised it and Homer bought a ladies version (driven by Marge to great effect)
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Err, The only time I've heard the term 'Hummer' was when Kenny (South park) was arrested for giving one for cash ;)
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The Hummer is sort of a military vehicle...it's like a pickup that's been squashed. Gets crappy gas mileage, but apparently it's powerful and can offroad quite well.
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The Hummer is sort of a military vehicle...it's like a pickup that's been squashed. Gets crappy gas mileage, but apparently it's powerful and can offroad quite well.
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OK, found it!
http://www.hummer.com/hummerjsp/index.jsp
Very nice, I've not seen too many in this country
So I guess it doesn't mean BJ then ;D
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So I guess it doesn't mean BJ then ;D
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;D No, but I'm sure that would calm a LOT of world leaders down ;)
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That is so cool!!!I like Misfits, Samhain,Danzig,Exploited,Dead Kennedys,etcccc...
HA! I wish there were more cool people in Portland!I just moved here five months ago from the SF Bay Area, and in about two months I am moving to Silver Spring Maryland. It is boring in Portland!!!! ;D
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You Live in Portland? You moved there from San Francisco? This explains so much. I grew up in Portland, but fotunatly I left before it turned into a hole. Go to downtown Portland, but make sure you don't trip over the bums and panhandlers, Be careful they are everywhere!
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You Live in Portland? You moved there from San Francisco? This explains so much. I grew up in Portland, but fotunatly I left before it turned into a shithole. Go to downtown Portland, but make sure you don't trip over the bums and panhandlers, Be careful they are everywhere!
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I hate the state of Oregon...except for Crater Lake. Oregon depresses me. Sorry.
You should tell Paul Allen to give more money towards charity than to his misfit players on the Trailblazers. That team is a disaster.
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You Live in Portland? You moved there from San Francisco? This explains so much. I grew up in Portland, but fotunatly I left before it turned into a shithole. Go to downtown Portland, but make sure you don't trip over the bums and panhandlers, Be careful they are everywhere!
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I have been to Pioneer square and seen plenty of gutter punks. In fact enought to last me a life time! There is a huge heroin problem here! I'm out of this city soon, so I won't be tortured much longer! ;D
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;D No, but I'm sure that would calm a LOT of world leaders down ;)
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Well what can I say...
George Dubya Bush..... If ever there was a white man in need of a BJ....
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Well what can I say...
George Dubya Bush..... If ever there was a white man in need of a BJ....
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Well its official, this thread has officially died.
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I have been to Pioneer square and seen plenty of gutter punks. In fact enought to last me a life time! There is a huge heroin problem here! I'm out of this city soon, so I won't be tortured much longer! ;D
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I have a brick in Pioneer square with my name on it. I wonder how many deals have gone down while someone was standing on my brick.
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He's a threat, but nuking him isn't going to solve the underlying issues. We are still going to have terrorism in this county,...End Quote
"Nuking" Sadam will not solve "underlying issues", but it'll sure make anyone else think twice about messin' with the U.S. (and it'll solve the immediate Sadam issue). :D
Terrorism will never stop or end. The only thing to do is to continue to fight it the best way we can with whatever we have.
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I was talking about this last night, and the person I was talking with brought up an interesting point: He said that when we remove Sadam Iraq will not turn into a stable democracy. Instead the Iraqi people will migrate to whoever is giving them a free handout (Good or Bad). When they find out that in a capatalist society you have to earn your keep, they will abandon it like the plague. Not my Idea, but kind of an interesting take on the subject.
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"Nuking" Sadam will not solve "underlying issues", but it'll sure make anyone else think twice about messin' with the U.S. (and it'll solve the immediate Sadam issue). :D
Terrorism will never stop or end. The only thing to do is to continue to fight it the best way we can with whatever we have.
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Excellent point. I give Bush a big "kudos" for standing firm on this issue. Doing otherwise would project to the world we are merely a doormat that can be walked over, much like the Clinton administration did, and look what happened as a result.
People like Saddam or Bin Laden etc don't respond to the liberal method of reasoning. In a perfect world maybe, but...
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Well its official, this thread has officially died.
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Aw come on :) It's just to lighten the mood...besides, it's true, if these guys would get some play maybe they'd mellow out a little.
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It was during the Iran/Iraq war, the U.S. decided to give funds to Iraq because Iran was our "enemy" at the time. Why? Because they decided to take back their country from U.S. imperialism. So, now we have a problem with Iraq. Why? Because they control a lot of oil. What are we going to do now? Supply Iran with funds? "Dubya" is barking up the wrong tree. There is major terrorist group in the world (el quida). If he really wanted to get this group, he would go to the source-Saudi Arabia. Why won't he go there? Oil. I really don't know if Iraq has or has not weapons of mass distruction. There is no proof (so far) one way or another. There is one nation with weapons of mass distruction that really scares me-the U.S. Don't get me wrong. I love the U.S. and what it stands for. I have served in the military. But, I have to say that I am really scared at the way this nation is being run. Dubya is so focused on getting the oil in Iraq that he is not paying attention to what is going on at home. People are losing their jobs, their pensions, their health care, etc. If he concentraited on that instead of his friends in the oil business (including tax cuts for them), then maybe I will give the guy a little more respect.
Cat
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I'm from the west coast ::) (btw, je suis L'Etranger).
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N'uh-uh...Je suis L'Etranger....
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N'uh-uh...Je suis L'Etranger....
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A taste of my own medicine :P
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(btw, je suis L'Etranger).
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well then,
Pourquoi vous n'avez pas dit qu'en premier lieu?
Cela explique beaucoup.
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Cela explique beaucoup.
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Indeed it does ;)
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A taste of my own medicine :P
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\
I'm lost.... :-[
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I'm lost.... :-[End Quote
You'll get used to the quirks soon enough 8)
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Lurker lurker here today
Making newbies go "eh eh?"
Why won't he just log on in?
But while he lurks he makes us grin ;)
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La mort aux imposters. Vivent longtemps celui et le seul étranger invincible.
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La mort aux imposters. Vivent longtemps celui et le seul étranger invincible.
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S'il est vraiment invincible, il vivrait longtemps par définition, n'est ce pas?
Pretentious, moi?
Phil
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Well what can I say...
George Dubya Bush..... If ever there was a white man in need of a BJ....
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At least that couldn't be said of the previous incumbent ;-)
Phil
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Le moment pour l'entretien plus de. Dessinez votre épée et préparez pour mourir. Vivent longtemps l'étranger invincible.
Grrrr, grrrr, grrr...
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Le moment pour l'entretien plus de. Dessinez votre épée et préparez pour mourir. Vivent longtemps l'étranger invincible.
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"Dessinez"??? Faire une petite image? (I think you've pulled out the wrong draw, so to speak). Je me pense devrais vous faire savoir que j'ai fait l'éscrime depuis seize ans, bien que je préfere la fleuret ou la sabre, je voudrais dire: "Je m'appelle Inigo Montoya. Vous avez tué mon père. Préparez pour mourir"
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... darn babelfish.... oops... whee, la sabre...
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... darn babelfish.... oops... whee, la sabre...
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Est-ce que vous avez les six doigts sur votre main gauche?
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Est-ce que vous avez les six doigts sur votre main gauche?
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Smile when you say that, stranger... 8)
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Everyone knows my opinion: all this rabid anti-American hatred is bulls***. (And for the non-Americans, please stop condescending about "I can't say it cuz I'll get shot down" - shouldn't it be obvious now we have way too many natives who hate this country? So no, you have plenty of friends here.) >:( It angers me to *no end* and I only have to read a few posts to get that way. It's all just completely illogical vitriolic hatred. What in the hell have we done that is so terrible, for God's sake? ???
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What in the hell have we done that is so terrible, for God's sake? ???
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I came across this one:
Quoting:Those on the left want to blame it on US foreign policy. Here is the real reason:
Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists are so quick to commit suicide. Lets see now...No beer, No booze, No bars, No television, No cheerleaders, No baseball, No football, No basketball, No hockey, No golf, No tailgate parties, No hooters, No pork BBQ, No hotdogs, No burgers, No lobster, shellfish, or even frozen fish sticks. Rags For clothes, towels for hats. Constant wailing from the guy next door because he is sick and there are no doctors. 24 hour wailing from a guy in the tower. No chocolate chip cookies, No Christmas, You can't shave, Your wife can't shave. You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung. The women have to wear baggy dresses, and veils at all times. Your bride is picked by someone else, she smells just like your donkey, but your donkey has a better disposition. Then they tell you when you die it all gets better.End Quote
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Smile when you say that, stranger... 8)
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Est-ce que vous avez les six doigts sur votre main gauche? :-)
Phil
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Est-ce que vous avez les six doigts sur votre main gauche? :-)
Phil
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Mais j'ai pense que c'etait le main droit? ???
Je m'appelle Inigo Montoya...vous avez tue mon pere...preparez a mourir ;D
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Everyone knows my opinion: all this rabid anti-American hatred is bulls***. (And for the non-Americans, please stop condescending about "I can't say it cuz I'll get shot down" - shouldn't it be obvious now we have way too many natives who hate this country? So no, you have plenty of friends here.) >:( It angers me to *no end* and I only have to read a few posts to get that way. It's all just completely illogical vitriolic hatred. What in the hell have we done that is so terrible, for God's sake? ???
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I'm an immigrant, and I love this country. It's given me the opportunity to get a world-class education and has given me more security than most people of this world could ever dream of. What is there to hate? If anything, they're JEALOUS.
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J'ne sais pas parle francies tres bien.
Cat
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Criticizing the government doesn't make you anti-American.
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Est-ce que vous avez les six doigts sur votre main gauche?
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¡Sir, usted de imitación me! ¡La sangre limpiará mi honor manchado! ¡Esto significa guerra! ¡Vive de largo el extranjero invencible!
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Criticizing the government doesn't make you anti-American.
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Absolutely not, Kenny. It's your duty as an American to criticize your government and question your leaders.
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Absolutely not, Kenny. It's your duty as an American to criticize your government and question your leaders.
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And it was a very cool part of Michael J. Fox's tirade in "The American President"...one of the best chick flicks of all time ;)
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It will be a sad day when we can't critize the government. I know if Dubya had his way, we wouldn't be able to do it today. He even said that he thinks that freedom should be limited. (www.gwbush.com) But the Bill of Rights is still in place (at least for the time being). With some of the things I have said lately on message boards, letters to the editor and e-mails to elected officials, etc. I am surprise that the FBI isn't knocking on my door.
Cat
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It will be a sad day when we can't critize the government. I know if Dubya had his way, we wouldn't be able to do it today. He even said that he thinks that freedom should be limited. (www.gwbush.com) But the Bill of Rights is still in place (at least for the time being). With some of the things I have said lately on message boards, letters to the editor and e-mails to elected officials, etc. I am surprise that the FBI isn't knocking on my door.
Cat
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The ACLU will bust you out of jail, don't worry ;) And I'm sure Congress would impeach the guy if he ever overstepped the line...I hope you don't equate conservatives with fascists.
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The ACLU will bust you out of jail, don't worry ;) And I'm sure Congress would impeach the guy if he ever overstepped the line...I hope you don't equate conservatives with fascists.
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I sincerely doubt that this Congress would do anything to Dubya. As of January, he is going to have free reign in anything he wants to do and that scares the s__t out of me. There are a lot of dirty dealings going on in Washington these days. It really makes me upset that people don't see it. To answer your question, no, I don't equate conservatives with fascists. Unfortunately, there are a lot of fascists in Washington and one is sitting in the White House thanks to the Supreme Court.
Cat
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... and the sharp claws came out... ;)
Are you referring to the Homeland Security Act, Cat?
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I support President Bush.
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Stop right there!!! You actually SUPPORT him?
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Bring Sadam to his knees.
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Yes, Sadam is evil, but thats no reason to go and kill thousands of innocent people.
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I know that voicing any opinion that may be considered “pro-war” is very unpopular in the media but I feel the need to voice it in the face of all the media attention that anti-Bush people are getting.
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Media attention? what media attention? Anti-Bush people need all the attention they need to get this monster out of power and back on to the streets!... or even in prison
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In the interest of long-term US security, it is important that the US expand its influence around that globe. We are strong but not strong enough. We need military bases all over the Middle East so that they can take the brunt of extremist violence.
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Didnt your mummy tell you not to fight? That fighting never go you anywhere?
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We need to make our move in the Middle East while we can.
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NO!!!! NO WE DONT!!!
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I am not a religious man but the US is the strongest for a reason. We have strong values like human rights and freedom of religion. I believe it is our destiny to lead the world and help it evolve.
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Yes, and thats freaky! The less power Bush has, the more better the world will be!
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I’m also sick and tired of Hollywood people constantly using their influence to sway the general public.
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If actors and famous people disagreeing with bush is the only way to stop him, or slow him down... then YAY!
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Grow a backbone America!
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ok
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peace-nick/tree-huggin/electric car driving/anti-war people?End Quote
These are actually... probably the ONLY people in the world today that makes sense!!!
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Why would anyone want oil anyway? The oil age is over!!! Its time to find a cleaner, more efficeient source of energy. All oil does is ruins the environment and causes wars. :-/
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... and the sharp claws came out... ;)
Are you referring to the Homeland Security Act, Cat?
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Sharp aren't they. (Meow)
Actually what I am refering to is TIPS-Dubya and his cronies want to look into everyone's business. They want to recruit meter readers, letter carriers, plumbers, anyone who enters your home to basically spy on you. So we must lose our freedoms guaranteed to us in the Bill of Rights all in the name of security. I feel that this is McCarthyism all over again. Have we learned nothing from history? Only Dubya is trying to distract us by mounting a war with Iraq so we won't see what he is doing to this country. I really wish that people would open their eyes and see that the freedoms that we charish so fondly and what makes us Americans are in jeopardy by our "leaders" (and I use that term very loosely).
Cat
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Sharp aren't they. (Meow)
Actually what I am refering to is TIPS-Dubya and his cronies want to look into everyone's business. They want to recruit meter readers, letter carriers, plumbers, anyone who enters your home to basically spy on you. So we must lose our freedoms guaranteed to us in the Bill of Rights all in the name of security. I feel that this is McCarthyism all over again. Have we learned nothing from history? Only Dubya is trying to distract us by mounting a war with Iraq so we won't see what he is doing to this country. I really wish that people would open their eyes and see that the freedoms that we charish so fondly and what makes us Americans are in jeopardy by our "leaders" (and I use that term very loosely).
Cat
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I am sorry, It is not the conservatives, but otherside that wants to limit your freedom. I for one will never vote for a person that thinks they can spend my money better than me. Why does A conservative government scare you? It was a lot more scary in 92 when the dems rang supreme.
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These are actually... probably the ONLY people in the world today that makes sense!!!
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You think those lying, fact skewing, tree-hugging, imbosoles make sence? They are idiots that wouldn't know the truth if it hit them on the head. All they do is skew facts to fit their purpose.
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Sharp aren't they. (Meow)
Actually what I am refering to is TIPS-Dubya and his cronies want to look into everyone's business. They want to recruit meter readers, letter carriers, plumbers, anyone who enters your home to basically spy on you. So we must lose our freedoms guaranteed to us in the Bill of Rights all in the name of security. I feel that this is McCarthyism all over again. Have we learned nothing from history? Only Dubya is trying to distract us by mounting a war with Iraq so we won't see what he is doing to this country. I really wish that people would open their eyes and see that the freedoms that we charish so fondly and what makes us Americans are in jeopardy by our "leaders" (and I use that term very loosely).
Cat
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So what freedoms of yours have been violated so far? Please give examples.
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So what freedoms of yours have been violated so far? Please give examples.
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I am so glad someone finally said this.
It seems so many people are complaining about all the freedoms and rights they have lost, yet when asked exactly what freedoms have been taken away, they can't answer.
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Back to the subject:
When we get rid of Sadam do you think the Iraqi people will want to form a Capatalist type to society similar to the US, or do yo think they will just gravitate to whoever is giving them the biggest handout?
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Back to the subject:
When we get rid of Sadam do you think the Iraqi people will want to form a Capatalist type to society similar to the US, or do yo think they will just gravitate to whoever is giving them the biggest handout?
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I actually don't know anything about the Iraqis other than that Saddam is pretty much a dangerous man. I'm thinking that (given the 10 million to zero vote) he has the country wound around his finger, and the civilians would be fairly weak-minded and will just accept whoever swoops in as their leader.
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Unfortunately, there are a lot of fascists in Washington and one is sitting in the White House thanks to the Supreme Court.
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If only you knew how utterly ridiculous that statement truly is.
And the statement "sitting in the White House thanks to the Supreme Court., well let me clear that up for the Dems on here, since they obviously don't understand the concept of the Electoral College.
Even if the Supreme Court had not been involved in any way in the election, it has been proven not once but twice by post-election independent recounts done by USA Today and another newspaper that Bush still had more electoral votes to win the state of Florida. So, next time a Dem gets the urge to make a comment about how Gore was robbed or Bush cheated, try learning the electoral process first.
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If only you knew how utterly ridiculous that statement truly is.
And the statement "sitting in the White House thanks to the Supreme Court., well let me clear that up for the Dems on here, since they obviously don't understand the concept of the Electoral College.
Even if the Supreme Court had not been involved in any way in the election, it has been proven not once but twice by post-election independent recounts done by USA Today and another newspaper that Bush still had more electoral votes to win the state of Florida. So, next time a Dem gets the urge to make a comment about how Gore was robbed or Bush cheated, try learning the electoral process first.
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*ahem* Popular votes. And Gore IS still b!tching about it.
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*ahem* Popular votes. And Gore IS still b!tching about it.
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too bad for the Dems though that popular votes don't determine the presidency, the electoral college does. And Gore will be whining for the next 20 years, after he's lost a couple more election attempts.
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If only you knew how utterly ridiculous that statement truly is.
And the statement "sitting in the White House thanks to the Supreme Court., well let me clear that up for the Dems on here, since they obviously don't understand the concept of the Electoral College.
Even if the Supreme Court had not been involved in any way in the election, it has been proven not once but twice by post-election independent recounts done by USA Today and another newspaper that Bush still had more electoral votes to win the state of Florida. So, next time a Dem gets the urge to make a comment about how Gore was robbed or Bush cheated, try learning the electoral process first.
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To ad a little: It has been reported time and again that the dems are the ones trying to rig elections. In 2000 it was dems paying the unregestered homeless in Wisconsin to come in and vote for Gore, and Gore tried to get the legal absentee ballots thrown out in Florida. This time there was a report of some wrong doing by a democratic representative on an indian reservation in South Dakota.
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too bad for the Dems though that popular votes don't determine the presidency, the electoral college does. And Gore will be whining for the next 20 years, after he's lost a couple more election attempts.
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I know, 80s :) I'm just saying that Bush got more popular votes in FL, no matter how small a margin of victory, and thus got all the electoral votes in FL :)
And I can't wait for Gore to fall flat on his face again, he's such a tool. Hey, he's hosting SNL this week, this should be good...I don't think there is any possible way he can follow McCain's act, McCain is awesome.
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To ad a little: It has been reported time and again that the dems are the ones trying to rig elections. In 2000 it was dems paying the unregestered homeless in Wisconsin to come in and vote for Gore, and Gore tried to get the legal absentee ballots thrown out in Florida. This time there was a report of some wrong doing by a democratic representative on an indian reservation in South Dakota.
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It is so true. The elections in the SF Bay Area and the whole state of Oregon are so corrupt it's not even funny.
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To ad a little: It has been reported time and again that the dems are the ones trying to rig elections. In 2000 it was dems paying the unregestered homeless in Wisconsin to come in and vote for Gore, and Gore tried to get the legal absentee ballots thrown out in Florida. This time there was a report of some wrong doing by a democratic representative on an indian reservation in South Dakota.
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oh no, not the Dems, they wouldn't do anything wrong ::) ::)
Don't forget Gore's team handing out cigerette packs to the homeless in excahange for votes in 2000.
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The problem with the Dems is that they're so focused on mudslinging that they've forgotten about all the issues that people actually give a crap about.
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http://www.2000gop.com/countymap.jpg
Bush is in red, Gore is in blue
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And I can't wait for Gore to fall flat on his face again, he's such a tool. Hey, he's hosting SNL this week, this should be good...I don't think there is any possible way he can follow McCain's act, McCain is awesome.
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oh that was great, I especially like his spoof on the Barbara Streisand album where he sang her songs. Very funny.
Speaking of Gore falling on his face in 2004, did anyone see Leno when Dennis Miller was on? He said " If Goe runs in 2004, he will get his a** handed to him faster than a fat guy having out-patient lyposuction."
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Hey, look at all that red! and the blue is centered in *GASP* the most liberal areas! imagine that...
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The problem with the Dems is that they're so focused on mudslinging that they've forgotten about all the issues that people actually give a crap about.
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You are exactly right. They have no direction. Their #1 agenda is to sit back and wait for a Republican to make a proposal, and to then jump on it and attack it. Majority of Americans have no idea what a Democrat even stands for anymore. Which makes sense.
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Speaking of Gore falling on his face in 2004, did anyone see Leno when Dennis Miller was on? He said " If Goe runs in 2004, he will get his a** handed to him faster than a fat guy having out-patient lyposuction."
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That is funny, personally I am hoping an Al Sharpton/Jessie Jackson presidental canidate for them in 2004. Did you hear what Al Sharpton said earlier this week? something to the effect of "I don't need the Democratic party's support to run for president on the democratic ticket." What an idiot.
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Did you hear what Al Sharpton said earlier this week? something to the effect of "I don't need the Democratic party's support to run for president on the democratic ticket." What an idiot.
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How does he plan to pull that one off? Just waltz on in to the Dem Convention and demand he be put on the ticket? Yes, idiot indeed.
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They probably won't get to run if the terrorists get us first :-/
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I'm not pro-war. I just think that pre-emptive action is necessary to diffuse the threat against America, especially since terrorist attacks around the world have escalated and the Al Jazeera tapes have them threatening to kill every last non-Muslim...no es bueno :-/
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I'm not pro-war. I just think that pre-emptive action is necessary to diffuse the threat against America, especially since terrorist attacks around the world have escalated and the Al Jazeera tapes have them threatening to kill every last non-Muslim...no es bueno :-/
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I don't think anyone is really pro-war in the true sense of the phrase. Pro-War means you want war, and hell, nobody wants war. However, I think Pro-Action is more accurate. I am in favor, like you, in taking Action now. Hopefully it doesn't take a war to get the job done, but if it does, we as America will be ready.
I refuse to accept the liberal method of reasoning by just sitting on our hands and waiting for something to happen.
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I refuse to accept the liberal method of reasoning by just sitting on our hands and waiting for something to happen.
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Hear hear. I swear, with all this time we're using to debate this to death, Saddam is using it to hide his weapons and fooling the UN Inspectors team...a team that I find quite inept, honestly.
I mean, if CNN knows where they're going all the time, and if they're in those vans being escorted by Iraqi soldiers, don't YOU think a certain somebody would have advanced knowledge of what things needed to be hidden where? ::)
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Hear hear. I swear, with all this time we're using to debate this to death, Saddam is using it to hide his weapons and fooling the UN Inspectors team...a team that I find quite inept, honestly.
I mean, if CNN knows where they're going all the time, and if they're in those vans being escorted by Iraqi soldiers, don't YOU think a certain somebody would have advanced knowledge of what things needed to be hidden where? ::)
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Exactly. I see the whole UN inspections deal as a farce. I think the last UN inspection was in 1998, if I'm wrong please correct me. So, not only has Saddam been through the inspections process before, so he knew exactly what to expect when they got there. And he has had 4 years to prepare for it. Who knows where things were stowed away. As if Saddam is stupid enough to leave the weapons sitting out for the inspectors to find.
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Speaking of weapons...it seems Iran is up to something. Check out www.cnn.com...it's the cover story
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/12/12/iran.nuclear/index.html
then again, if CNN knows about it, I guess it wasn't too secret after all :D
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For those of you who are still paranoid:
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bo/2002/bo021213.gif
I love the Boondocks ;D
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Not that I'm supporting Bush or anything (and I am really really divided on the whole Saddam thing), but I wholeheartedly agree with him about there needing to be limits on freedom. As a matter of fact, we already have tons of limits on freedom. They're called laws.
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I agree.
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I'm thinking this war is inevitable...Saddam is too much of a figurehead, and there's too much for Bush at stake not to exploit this oppurtunity to get his face on Time Magazine again...
I'm not supporting the war, but I'm not about letting them come over into our backyard with smallpox or whatever...if Saddam DOES become a threat to the USA, take him out. THat's what I think
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http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/14/korea.nukes/index.html
Just thought you'd like to know that North Korea is in one of their "moods" again.
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http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/12/16/sproject.irq.us.iraq.declaration/index.html
Colin Powell says there are problems with Iraq's weapons declarations.
Well DUH! I mean, if I slapped a new cover on my four-year-old book report and tried to turn that in again, don't you think there'd be a problem?