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Subject: Public Schools are becoming violent places
I read today in a newspaper that bullying has become a big problem in public schools around the country. I read that parents sued because their son because he was being called a "queer" and was scared to go to the bathroom. Another kid was pushed by another kid and the kid that was pushed had medical bills and now the parents are suing. Another Kid's parents sued when bully's stole the kids lunch money and peed on his clothes. Another girl was pushed down the stairs of a school bus. Why are we getting the law involved with bullying? This just sounds too off the wall. Shouldn't the parents handle it instead of the law getting involved or what should be done? Any opinions?
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I think it's the job of the parents and teachers to set these kids straight. I don't know how they can keep an eye on the kids all the time though, and it complicates things that during the school years, kids develop a rebellious streak.
My dad would beat the shiitake out of me if I ever did anything bad ::)
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The parents are not getting involved-the is the problem. I am a certified teacher K-6 but I am not working in schools. I have seen kids who are not being parented. These kids have no bounderies. There is really nothing that teachers can do because if they punish the kids-i.e. detention, the parents have a fit. I remember when I was student teaching and we had parents night. One woman was literally foaming at the mouth because she was upset that her son was in trouble at school. I'm not saying that it all the parents fault. I know there are many, many good parents out there. Unfortunately, there are many not so good parents. But today's society. How many times do you turn on the t.v. and see some show where someone is toting a gun? Or someone gets murdered? That is only fiction but that is what kids see everyday. They think that murder is the norm because a lot of shows have a murder a week. Kids just act as they see others do-whether it be on t.v. or at home. It is just all too sad.
Cat
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Back when I was going to grade school, we had some teachers who'd grab you by the collar and rattle your cage a little bit. Don't spose they can do that anymore, but we were a lot better behaved back then.http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/cool/cool030.gif
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It is my belief that they are not "becoming" violent; people are just noticing now, after Columbine and what-not.
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Back when I was going to grade school, we had some teachers who'd grab you by the collar and rattle your cage a little bit. Don't spose they can do that anymore, but we were a lot better behaved back then.http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/cool/cool030.gif
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Amen to that Steve!
When I was in school, teachers and the school administration were in charge, not like today where the teachers can't so much as give a dirty look at the student without getting sued by insane parents.
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Amen to that Steve!
When I was in school, teachers and the school administration were in charge, not like today where the teachers can't so much as give a dirty look at the student without getting sued by insane parents.
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True, but that just meant kids were more respectful of their teachers; they probably were just as mean to their fellow classmates.
My dad told me a story once; apparently his two older brothers were real hellraisers when they were younger. So he gets to class on the first day and this old bat teacher starts reading down the list. When she gets to his name she goes, "Robert Munson. Are you related to Charlie and Frank Munson?"
"Yes, they're my brothers."
The old bat then walked down to his desk, grabbed a handful of his hair and shook his head up and down three or four times, yanking a good chunk of his hair out. "THAT'S how I deal with misbehaving Munson boys," she said.
My dad gathered up his fallen hair, bundled it up in a little ribbon and deposited it on her desk. She did it again.
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I't funny the first posting and the examples of "todays bullying"
I can remeber back to may school days in the 70s and early 80s and can remember the same incidents happening. Bringing the courts and civil penalties is completely wrong here, when did parents get so f'ed up where they took it there instead of parent conferances. I do not envy todays teachers at all. They know there kids are a mess, probably just as bad at home but won't work with others on fixing it.
My experiance in dealing with bullies was to pop them in the mouth a couple of times, even if you get the worst end of the beating they hesitate to do it agian. Of course today you'd have to make sure that he wasn't carrying a gun. :(
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The old bat then walked down to his desk, grabbed a handful of his hair and shook his head up and down three or four times, yanking a good chunk of his hair out. "THAT'S how I deal with misbehaving Munson boys," she said.
My dad gathered up his fallen hair, bundled it up in a little ribbon and deposited it on her desk. She did it again.
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What a b!tch. I agree with disciplinary powers granted to teachers, but there should be limits on those. Then again, I guess your dad didn't f**k with her much after that...
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My experiance in dealing with bullies was to pop them in the mouth a couple of times, even if you get the worst end of the beating they hesitate to do it agian. Of course today you'd have to make sure that he wasn't carrying a gun. :(
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That's what I used to do. Plus it helped that I was faster.
Subject: Re: Public Schools are becoming violent places
no violence here. nope. not in nf, canada.
we have like one of the lowest crime rates in the world :)
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I absolutely agree. This is a particularly sore point with me. Not too long ago my 7 year old son came home with bruises on his shoulders and back and his shirt was cut at the bottom. He is small for his age, and apparently the largest child in his class chose to pick on him. In art class this boy waited until the teacher was out of the room and cut his shirt with scissors, then sat on him and hit him a couple of times. The teacher either didn't know or didn't do anything (I prefer to think the former). Chandos told me he did not tell the teacher for fear of being beaten more. I was white hot and called the school counselor about it. All she had to say was "Oh yes... _______ is a very rambuctious child. I will have a talk with him." Nothing changed. So against what I have previously told Chandos I have told him if ________ picks on him again to defend himself. And to tell me as I will be calling the parent directly. It's enough to make a person want to homeschool, and if it was an option I would. >:( I should make those parents pay for his shirt, but I have the feeling this child does this because he is beaten himself at home and I don't want that to happen....vicious circle.
Subject: Re: Public Schools are becoming violent places
nowadays teachers just don't care, more often than not they just turn a blind eye to the bullying that goes on in school, it's the worst in middle school, probably worse than in high school.
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nowadays teachers just don't care, more often than not they just turn a blind eye to the bullying that goes on in school, it's the worst in middle school, probably worse than in high school.
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I don't think that teachers just don't care, it's just that they can't do anything about it. If a kid raises a hand to another kid and the teacher grabs the hand to stop the kid, the kid's parents would probably sue the teacher. Teachers today have very limited power. I'm not saying that teachers should use corporal punishment but I think that teachers should be given more leeway to deal with bullies.
Cat
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nowadays teachers just don't care, more often than not they just turn a blind eye to the bullying that goes on in school, it's the worst in middle school, probably worse than in high school.
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To be fair to the teachers, we have kind of tied their hands on this issue. They are in a darned if you do and darned if you don't kind of situation. What upset me was that he had three different teachers that day and noone noticed?? His shirt was cut right up the middle front ( I dread to think about if it had cut his skin). When I was in school teachers had permission for swats with the "board of education", that is what one of my teachers had named theirs, and did use it. It was effective too.
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What a b!tch. I agree with disciplinary powers granted to teachers, but there should be limits on those. Then again, I guess your dad didn't f**k with her much after that...
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Are you kidding? My dad gave her s*** for the rest of the year! ...whereas if the teacher hadn't done that, he probably would have behaved himself.
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Are you kidding? My dad gave her s*** for the rest of the year! ...whereas if the teacher hadn't done that, he probably would have behaved himself.
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Well, in all fairness, she deserved it.
As to whether your dad would have behaved, that part's debatable ;)
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I't funny the first posting and the examples of "todays bullying"
I can remeber back to may school days in the 70s and early 80s and can remember the same incidents happening. Bringing the courts and civil penalties is completely wrong here, when did parents get so f'ed up where they took it there instead of parent conferances. I do not envy todays teachers at all. They know there kids are a mess, probably just as bad at home but won't work with others on fixing it.
Of course today you'd have to make sure that he wasn't carrying a gun. :(
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I agree this suing and pressing charges stuff is getting out of hand. Also, why do kids have guns? I remember violence used to be a big problem in New York City in the 80's and in Newark, New Jersey it got worse over the 90's decade. Now its carrying to the public schools across the country. Now we have metal detectors and security guards at some schools. As for the parents have today's parents lost control of their kids? If I was a parent and my kid was doing the bullying I would send him to his room to think about what he did and if he punched a kid or brought a gun to school I would ground him. If my kid was being bullyed by another kid I would go into the school and have a word with the principal. I would say to him how would you feel if your kid was being made fun of? I wouldn't take oh "that kid is very hyper-active". What kind of explanation is that? I went to school from 1983(pre-school)-1998(high school) and been made fun of and shoved. I've seen it all. I used to get made of more when I was in Elementary and Middle School because I was short.
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It's an accepted fact that bar fights aren't as common as they used to be because the other fellow may be packing a gun. And I'd bet that nine of the first ten people you see would say that even if the kids were only aware that the teacher was allowed to swat a misbehaving fanny kids would behave better.
Just knowing you can be shot or swot is usually all it takes.
Subject: Re: Public Schools are becoming violent places
The school system is screwed in America as well as other countries around the world (but not as much as the US) as it has been for years due to underfunding, and neglect from the goverment. When bullying comes to a point where a gun, or any kind of weapon is involved... its time to take action. Im not talking about taking it to the courts or something... im talking about reviewing the school situation in the country and doing this to make it better. Maybe even bringing back the cane... or even giving teachers better pay and work conditions would work for a short term. :-/
A good movie which I advise all of you to see is Bowling for Comumbine... which looks at the American's love and addiction to guns, and the fear that most Americans seem to have... i cant really describe it, but its really good :)
Subject: Re: Public Schools are becoming violent places
The quality of a school is 100% dependant on teachers. If they do not spend the time learning who their students are, then they will not notice signals when something bad is about to happen. If a teacher spends the time getting to know their students, then I would bet those students would not want to disapoint their teachers. I would also bet, fustration plays a part in violence. Kids are very needy of intellectual stimulation and love. In the absence of caring teachers, who know what you will get. We need better teachers.
Subject: Re: Public Schools are becoming violent places
Come to think of it, one of the most important people in my education was not even a teacher, it was Mr. Flowers my high school janitor. He was always willing to talk to us and listen to us. He never judged us and always encouraged us to do our best. I got to know him because he cleaned the computer labs, and I used to spend hours in their after school. He was fascinated with computers and wanted to know how they worked so I showed him some programs. He was so encouraging to me, and to everyone he interacted with. In some ways he saved me, because up to that point, classes were a bore and i did not pay attention. He set expectations for me and as a result I wanted to do well.
Then there were some teachers who seemed to enjoy ripping you a new @sshole. I had one english teacher who was not happy until she caught someone in the class who did not read their assignment. It is like she enjoyed poking at the sorry sob and humiliating the person. I ditched her class the most. It took me years before I started enjoying literature again.