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Subject: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: Race_Bannon on 01/21/03 at 01:35 p.m.

Copied from the Wall Street Journal
The Scarlet SUV

By DAVID BROOKS

I don't own an SUV, but now that they've been identified as the locus of evil, I'm thinking of getting one. And if I do, I figure I might as well let the inner wolf out for a rampage and get the most obnoxious SUV I can find.

My SUV, assuming Hummer comes out with a model for those who find the current ones too cramped, will look something like the Louisiana Superdome on wheels. It'll guzzle so much gas as I walk out to my driveway there will be squads of Saudi princes gaping and applauding. It'll come, when I buy it, with little Hondas and Mazdas already embedded in the front grillwork. Inside I'll install video screens so that impressionable youngsters can play Grand Theft Auto on the way to weekly NRA meetings. And there will be room in the back for tobacco lobbyists nibbling on french fries and endangered prawns.

Please understand that I don't want to do this, but the campaign against the SUV is so fevered that I find myself being propelled in an equal and opposite direction. Princeton's Peter Singer, the most mysteriously prestigious thinker in America, wrote an essay in which he helpfully pointed out that SUV drivers kill far more people than the Sept. 11 hijackers. Arianna Huffington, leading those who have kitchens the size of Texas on a crusade against people who have cars the size of Colorado, has also compared SUV drivers to terrorists.

The main charge is that people who drive sport "utes" are moral savages. SUV drivers "tend to be people who are insecure and vain" not to mention "self-absorbed, with little interest in their neighbors and communities," writes Keith Bradsher in his book, "High and Mighty: SUVs -- The World's Most Dangerous Vehicles and How They Got That Way." Mr. Bradsher says he is only reporting on what Detroit's market research reveals, but thoughtful people are usually skeptical about broad generalizations about people's souls on the basis of what car they drive. Not, however, when the pot of revivalism is aboil. The moral fervor that was in past epochs fixated on witchcraft, whiskey, fur coats, cigarettes and child-abuse rings is now etching SUV in scarlet letters. How to explain this fervor, which has risen to the level of a liberal fatwa?

First, remember this is largely a civil war within the educated class. Nobody seems to assault pickup-truck drivers, even though some of the newer pickups look like wheeled aircraft carriers and their beds are surprisingly unscuffed. Nobody picks on minivans, though the Dodge Grand Caravan ES gets only 6 miles more per gallon than the Dodge Durango SUV. Remember also that, as Van Wyck Brooks, Santayana and others have observed, there have always been two educated classes. On the one hand, there's the genteel elite, which lives in a world of literature, ideas, refinement and modesty. On the other, there's the aristocracy of commerce, people who thrive through self-assertion, competitiveness, daring and magnetism. To put it in modern terms, there are geeks and jocks.

This anti-SUV fervor strikes me as a classic geek assault on jock culture. Here are the geeks: thoughtful, socially and environmentally conscious. They understand that only spiritually shallow people could possibly get pleasure from a motor vehicle. Then there are those jocks. They cruise through life infuriatingly unaware of how morally inferior they are to the geeks. They make money, become popular, play golf and have homes that are too large. And they're happy! For all the wrong reasons! And so every few years the geeks pick on some feature of jock life (McMansions, corporations, fraternities, country clubs) and get all worked up about it. And you know what? The jocks don't care! They just keep being happy. The geeks write, protest and fume. The jocks go to St. Croix.

So the anti-SUV crusade is part of a pattern, but there's also a more worrisome element. In centuries past, the armies of righteousness tended to at least fret about things that really matter: character, virtue, innocence, sin and depravity. These days moral energies are directed at health, safety and risk. Narcissism, dishonesty and promiscuity are regarded as mere lifestyle choices. But driving a car with trunk space is a sin worse than seven of the Ten Commandments. This is defining righteousness down.

If we're going to have moral fervors -- and though they're insufferable, they're overall a positive feature of life -- then let's at least have them about things that really matter. And let's resist the do-gooders' temptation to see everything fun as morally suspect. The anti-SUV brigades like to point out that most owners never actually take them off-road. Imagine what environmentalists would say if they did!

Buying an SUV is partly an act of fantasy. It's a way to connect imaginatively with a more inspiring life than the one you actually lead. Like every muscle car before it, SUVs are big, dangerous and superfluous, but they're also poetry made of metal. They're symptoms of a latent spiritedness, even in a sedate suburban world. There's nothing wrong with having a little poetry in your life. Surely the geeks can see that?

Mr. Brooks, a senior editor at The Weekly Standard, is author of "Bobos in Paradise: The New Upper Class and How They Got There" (Simon & Schuster, 2000).


Subject: Re: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: Rice Cube on 01/21/03 at 01:36 p.m.

Damn, now I wanna get an SUV.  Screw the hippie treehuggers ;D

Subject: Re: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 01/21/03 at 02:43 p.m.

Why does this feel really familiar to me?  Oh yeah, I got into a similar discussion on the 90's thread... 8)  Guess I should change my username to "moral savage" unless cheerleaders are considered "jocks" as well??? ;)

Subject: Re: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: CatwomanofV on 01/21/03 at 04:46 p.m.

I hope this link works.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20030121/bs_usatoday/4795095







Cat

Subject: Re: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: Race_Bannon on 01/21/03 at 05:42 p.m.

Thanks for the link.  I find this amazing that the tax break for
small businesses and the self-employed to purchase industrial vehicals morphed into luxury SUV's.  The intent of the cut was so Pedro could purcase a 1Ton flat bed to hall the landscaping equpment and Sven could move more totes of fish to the factory.  What about dump trucks and garbage trucks etc?  If some "accountant" wants to get a Humvee than and uses this tax break than he should be drug behind it for a few hundred yards and since the press jumped on this story as a way to get a new SUV I'm sure some people will be taking advantage of it.

Subject: Re: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: Jeffpcmt on 01/22/03 at 09:29 a.m.


Quoting:
Thanks for the link.  I find this amazing that the tax break for
small businesses and the self-employed to purchase industrial vehicals morphed into luxury SUV's.  The intent of the cut was so Pedro could purcase a 1Ton flat bed to hall the landscaping equpment and Sven could move more totes of fish to the factory.  What about dump trucks and garbage trucks etc?  If some "accountant" wants to get a Humvee than and uses this tax break than he should be drug behind it for a few hundred yards and since the press jumped on this story as a way to get a new SUV I'm sure some people will be taking advantage of it.End Quote



This is primarily one of Dubyas "brilliant"  ideas.  He wants more people to buy SUVs, so people will buy more gas, so he and his oilman buddies can fatten their wallets even more.

Subject: Re: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: CatwomanofV on 01/22/03 at 11:13 a.m.


Quoting:


This is primarily one of Dubyas "brilliant"  ideas.  He wants more people to buy SUVs, so people will buy more gas, so he and his oilman buddies can fatten their wallets even more.
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I was thinking the exact same thing.



Cat

Subject: Re: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: Rice Cube on 01/22/03 at 11:22 a.m.


Quoting:


This is primarily one of Dubyas "brilliant"  ideas.  He wants more people to buy SUVs, so people will buy more gas, so he and his oilman buddies can fatten their wallets even more.
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In that case, I love how Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer AND Diane Feinstein all drive SUVs ::)

Subject: Re: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: 80sRocked on 01/22/03 at 11:33 a.m.


Quoting:


In that case, I love how Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer AND Diane Feinstein all drive SUVs ::)
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excellent point.  And I wonder how many of the "concerned" celebrity activists and anti-war hippie-wannabe protesters who are so against Bush and war with Iraq drive huge SUV's.

Folks, trust me, the whole "...so Bush an his oil buddies can fatten their wallets..." schtick is so ridiculous and played.  You guys sound like a freakin broken record.  Give it a rest already. ::)

Subject: Re: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: Race_Bannon on 01/22/03 at 12:15 a.m.

Hey Kids, my foks are strong Democrats and have 2 SUV's along with two other cars and real nice Harley Davidson, they'd probably b!itch it was for oil too, and b!tch louder if the price sky-rocketed again.  Look, read the text carefully, the tax break was already there for those vehicles just amoratized over a period of years, this means that's its a right off the first year.  And, its available for business purposes, yes it could (and probably will) be abused but I'm sure that is already the case.  

Subject: Re: SUV's- This is funny!

Written By: 80sRocked on 01/22/03 at 12:21 a.m.

Quoting:
Look, read the text carefully, the tax break was already there for those vehicles just amoratized over a period of years, this means that's its a right off the first year.  
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you are exactly right.  Its not a new thing Bush just came up with this week "to fatten up his wallet".  Its been available for years.  This is just the first time a lot of people ever heard about it, so they are automatically assuming its a Bush scheme to screw us all.