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Subject: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: Screwball54 on 02/23/03 at 09:15 p.m.

This is kind of funny.   :)


http://www.brain-terminal.com/articles/video/peace-protest.html


(For those with high-speed access)

Subject: Re: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: Rice Cube on 02/23/03 at 09:53 p.m.

It was funny.  I shook my head a lot ;)

Subject: Re: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: L'Etranger on 02/24/03 at 02:38 p.m.

That clip was funny as hell. It had that Michael Moore feel to it. I've wondered those things myself, but I've also wondered about the "evidence" that the US govt. is privy to that would make them decide on an invasion of Iraq. I mean, it would be nice to know for sure Saddam is stockpiling and hiding these weapons.

On the same note, why did the US not take the Iraqi oil back in Gulf War I? That's a question that's been in my mind since yesterday. I've also wondered, how come Saddam was not kicked out of power through the Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton admins.? Especially in the early years, the 80s, when it was proven that he had the stockpiles and had used these weapons on various times. Did it just slip their minds? But I could do without the evidence if Kuwait, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Iran, Egypt, Palestine, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Sudan, Afghanistan, UAE, and all those countries near and around the Middle East provided their total support towards this noble cause. Forget France and the rest of the Western European countries for a moment. I wonder why Middle Eastern countries aren't as eager to jump into the invasion bandwagon. Hasn't anybody asked this question?

It makes me think I need more information. I cannot support a war in which I am ignorant of the facts. I also cannot oppose a war in which I am ignorant of the facts. And where is the information? Having access to a Uni library, this should come easy to me, but maybe it's just that there is too much information for me to discern, so now I'm victim to my own laziness and ignorance. I don't think I'm the only one in this spot, so I ask of the war supporters, where can one find a detailed report of the facts for an invasion of Iraq? Has it been distributed to our govt. officials, our military, the citizenry who's footing the bill for all this? I missed the last printing.

Will it matter now? Here in SD, the police force has been greatly reduced because they had to be sent to the Persian Gulf. A govt. wouldn't mobilize its massive army, navy, and air force in jest, and then start making deals with foreign govts. (Turkey) for use of its strategic bases. Something is going to happen no matter what...

Subject: Re: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: shazzaah on 02/25/03 at 08:31 a.m.

Thanks so much, Screwball, for the clip. I have been met with the same answers to the same questions myself. Most of those protesters illustrated the reason for their protest: because they think it is a cool thing to do and they get to be on camera.  ???

Subject: Re: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: 80sRocked on 02/25/03 at 08:35 a.m.

Quoting:
Most of those protesters illustrated the reason for their protest: because they think it is a cool thing to do and they get to be on camera.  ???
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great point.  I watched some of the coverage of the Feb 15 protest in LA, and Martin Sheen, Mike Ferral, Rob Reiner, and some girl I'd never heard of were literally doing all they could to be sure they got their TV "face time" when the CNN camera was on.   ::)



PS- could someone give me a quick synopsis of Screwball's clip?  For some reason I can't seem to download it.  Thanks in advance. ;)





Subject: Re: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: Rice Cube on 02/25/03 at 08:57 a.m.


Quoting:

PS- could someone give me a quick synopsis of Screwball's clip?  For some reason I can't seem to download it.  Thanks in advance. ;)

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Basically, while the protesters would not support war, they couldn't find a basis to support their position, nor did they have an adequate non-war solution for Iraq.  If you can download it, prepare for long periods of silence and blank stares ;)  (from the protesters, not you)

Subject: Re: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: 80sRocked on 02/25/03 at 11:40 a.m.


Quoting:
Basically, while the protesters would not support war, they couldn't find a basis to support their position, nor did they have an adequate non-war solution for Iraq.  If you can download it, prepare for long periods of silence and blank stares ;)  (from the protesters, not you)
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oh thanks Rice.  

Subject: Re: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: shazzaah on 02/25/03 at 12:17 a.m.

One of the questions that I found very interesting was why we didn't take the Iraqi oil after the last gulf war, if people think that is what were all about for this war. Noone had an answer.

Subject: Re: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: L'Etranger on 02/25/03 at 12:41 a.m.


Quoting:
One of the questions that I found very interesting was why we didn't take the Iraqi oil after the last gulf war, if people think that is what were all about for this war. Noone had an answer.
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... um, becaaaause a move like that one would've been just like Iraq trying to take over Kuwait? Instead, keep 'em cornered so that the US can keep one foot on the door to the Middle East. Just a wild guess.

Subject: Re: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: Race_Bannon on 02/25/03 at 07:00 p.m.

Thank you for this link, this was fun.  I have to say the the posters on this board can raise a better argument than any of those protesters.

Subject: Re: Protesting the Protestors.

Written By: Steve_H on 02/25/03 at 08:37 p.m.

There are a few reasons, I think, why we didn't do THIS before.
We fought Gulf War I to kick Iraq out of Kuwait, not to topple Hussein.  The coalition probably wouldn't have stood for a regime change back then, even less so than now.
Germany and France have commercial interests with Iraq, so they have a vested in the present regime.  Their vote on the UN security council was always going to be difficult to get.
With a precipitating event, Hussein was always able to flount UN sanctions.  It would have been much harder for Clinton to initiate a war in the 90s after Hussein tossed the UN arms inspectors.