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I can't believe how some people on this board will cry bloody murder when someone kicks a dog, but find it ok to treat cows the way we do. Guess what, dogs are just as useless as cows, and twice as tasty.
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Yeah, but I don't get really close to cows. I have never kept one on  a leash, and I don't see too many Guard cows, do you?

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I don't know about the "useless" part, but I tend to agree with you.  We tend to stress the crap out of the animals we eat.  

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I can't believe how some people on this board will cry bloody murder when someone kicks a dog, but find it ok to treat cows the way we do. Guess what, dogs are just as useless as cows, and twice as tasty.
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So's yo  momma.

Ooops, wrong thread.

Let's be honest, just what purpose does a cow serve on this Earth, other than being BRED for beef, dairy products, and leather?  They are some of the dumbest creatures on Earth.

Dogs  have a higher degree of intellingence, can be trained, provide companionship, friendship, loyalty, and to some degre protection, depending upon the nature of the dog and  it's training.  They are playful, and for the most part I would say enjoy the company of humans.

Cows......... stand in a field, with their own crap covering their asses and chew cud.  Or they sstand in stalls, with no apparent inclination to leave, they eat what's given to them, and give milk.  Have YOU ever lived around cows?  I have.  This is ALL they do.  They aren't stressed as far as I could evr tell, they were just content.

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So's yo  momma.

Ooops, wrong thread.

Let's be honest, just what purpose does a cow serve on this Earth, other than being BRED for beef, dairy products, and leather?  They are some of the dumbest creatures on Earth.

Dogs  have a higher degree of intellingence, can be trained, provide companionship, friendship, loyalty, and to some degre protection, depending upon the nature of the dog and  it's training.  They are playful, and for the most part I would say enjoy the company of humans.

Cows......... stand in a field, with their own crap covering their asses and chew cud.  Or they sstand in stalls, with no apparent inclination to leave, they eat what's given to them, and give milk.  Have YOU ever lived around cows?  I have.  This is ALL they do.  They aren't stressed as far as I could evr tell, they were just content.End Quote

That's right!

Dogs also have these great purposes:

Seeing Eye Dogs

Guide Dogs

Hunting Dogs

Cows (and Pigs too) are food. They have no other purpose. They are a natural part of the food chain; Just like Zebras are meals to Lions.

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Mammals are supposed to be weened off milk when they are young, other than humans, have you ever seen a full grown mammal drinking milk?  
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Hmmm... I dunno.  Then again, I've never seen a chimpanzee turn down a milk shake, and I doubt I ever will.

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Blasphemous infidel!  You have angered Cowron, Supreme Being of all that is Bovine!  :D

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Thought of one other thing.

 Cats drink milk, and love it.  They just can't naturally get it on thier OWN.  Don't confuse animals inability to obtain the milk with not wanting the milk if it's available.  In your example, I think it would be quite hard for a lion to latch onto the nipple of a zebra for milk, when a lion doesn't ven know zebras ALSO produce milk.  You ever been on a dairy farm?  Go to one sometime, and look at the cats hanging around the milking area.  THEY WANT THE MILK.
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Cats and dogs love the taste of antifreeze as well, but that doesn't mean that it is good for them. Cats love the taste of milk, but most vets will agree that milk doesn't have any nutritional value for cats, and that they don't really need it (especially since most cats are lactose intolerant).

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Cats and dogs love the taste of antifreeze as well, but that doesn't mean that it is good for them. Cats love the taste of milk, but most vets will agree that milk doesn't have any nutritional value for cats, and that they don't really need it (especially since most cats are lactose intolerant).
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And yet it DOES have nutritional value for us.  How can it not have nutritional value for other animals as well?  Are human beings magical creatures who can extract nutritional value from otherwise nutrition-less foods?  I'm sorry, but they must get SOMETHING out of it.  A little extra calcium, perhaps?  Maybe not even something major.  But something in it that their body craves.

I can honestly say MY cat is not lactose intolerant, nor is any cat we've ever had growing up.  They've all enjoyed millk, although at milk prices it's only an occasional treat for them.  Never were there any ill effects.  no sickness, no diarhea, nothing.

And I think to dogs and cats, milk tates good, same as to us.  I recall reading a warning on an anti-freze bottle a few year ago that cautiond it had a pleasant taste.  And reports from PEOPLE who've ingested it backed that up.  Maybe THAT'S why dogs and cats drink it, because it tastes good?  They don't have the intelligence to KNOW it'll kill them.  That's what separates us from them.  We DO know this.

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I immediately thought of Vinny's "magic beans" tirade in "My Cousin Vinny" when I read this ;D

Milk has Calcium, Vitamins A&D, and I believe potassium...but I could be wrong.  Check your milk carton's ingredients and nutritional information next time :)

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I wouldn't call it unnatural, I'd call it another intelligent decision not to waste any part of the animals that are bred for food.

Don't confuse animals inability to obtain the milk with not wanting the milk if it's available. In your example, I think it would be quite hard for a lion to latch onto the nipple of a zebra for milk, when a lion doesn't even know zebras ALSO produce milk.End Quote

Excellent point and not yet debated.  ;)

By the way, I've never owned a pet that went near my antifreeze but all of them sure enjoyed having their little bowls of milk.

Milk does have calcium which is necessary for all animals.

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I immediately thought of Vinny's "magic beans" tirade in "My Cousin Vinny" when I read this ;D
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That's what I thought of when I wrote it, as well.   :D

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To be fair...I remember reading somewhere about maybe there are hormones in milk that may be harmful to us?? Does this sound familiar to anyone?


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Yeah.  BHT growth hormones, if my memory serves me right.  Ben and Jerry's are known for now using homoned milk.

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In the past, some farmers had a habit of adding hormones to their greenery to make it grow quicker, which in turn was ingested by cows. Then trace amounts of the hormones would end-up in their milk.

Thankfully, that's all being monitored in the present day by the FDA. Many milk containers will have a notice on the label that says it contains no hormones.

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Growth hormones (BST) are injected into cows in order to increase milk production. These hormones also cause udder infections and increase the level of insulin in the milk. The chemical passes into the human and is associated with breast and prostate cancer.
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Thankfully, this isn't evidence of milk being bad for us, but rather of HUMANS being bad for us.

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So what are you telling me?  Are you telling me that humans can suck nutrients out of thin air?  Are you saying that nutrients can soak into your body much more efficiently than in a cat's body?  Are we MAGIC humans?  Are you telling me that the laws of biology simply cease to exist inside YOUR BODY?!   :DEnd Quote

OK, THIS just got me a glaring look from my supervisor here at work from laughing!   ;D

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I'm not going to argue that pigs and cows aren't part of the food chain. But getting back on topic, it is unnatural for humans to be consuming milk from other animals. In the wild you never see a Lion drinking the milk of a Zebra do you?

Mammals are supposed to be weened off milk when they are young, other than humans, have you ever seen a full grown mammal drinking milk?  
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Have you ever seen anther full grown mammal drinking beer?  How about coffee, tea, cranapple juice?

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Have you ever seen anther full grown mammal drinking beer?  How about coffee, tea, cranapple juice?
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No I have not. Why do you ask?

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Which, according to the Food Piramid, includes Dairy.

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Not only are they laughable, they're wrong.

One of their arguments is that the cow's manure contaminates the Earth and poisons rivers and such fiddle-faddle.

...the manure from dairy farms has poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. - PETA

They conveniently don't know or forget that the manure is used as fertilizer!!!!  :o ::) :D  Duh.

To be precise, it is collected and then ran through a separator. The solids are spread on the fields by tractor and the liquids are used for irrigation.

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One of their arguments is that the cow's manure contaminates the Earth and poisons rivers and such fiddle-faddle.

...the manure from dairy farms has poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. - PETA
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I guess they also don't realize that the trillions of fish and whales and octopi and what not in the ocean also have to, um, go in the ocean.  :P  I'm not sure exactly how bad it is when dealing with the fishies though.

However, when the neighbor's doggie craps in our yard, in a couple days you might see some crop circles :D

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I don't know about crop circles, but the grass will grow greener in that spot.  ;)

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Cats don't drink milk for nutrition, they drink it for taste. Their body gets all the nutrition it needs from the food and water it consumes. Just like cats, humans do not need milk in order to survive. We should get all the vitamins and minerals we need from a well balanced diet.

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Last time I looked, a well-balanced diet included diary products, and meat.  And no one said cats drink it for nutrition, I said they get nutritional value from it.  I also said they probably drink it for the taste, which is also why some animals have been known to drink anti-freeze.  They can't discern whether or not something is GOOD for them, and they can't read a label to tell them that.  But their bodies also know what they need and I guarantee their bodies know they can get nutrition from milk.

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I guarantee their bodies know they can get nutrition from milk.
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Ask your vet, they don't.

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But just previously you said this was caused by the growth hormones injected into the cow to increase milk production!  So, which is it - the milk, or the hormones that that are causing this problem?

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Ah, OK.  So what about wild boars running around in the woods?  Those lakes and sreams must be veritable toxic wastelands, right?

People have been rasing livestock since the dawn of civilization.  And this is only a problem NOW?  I don't think so.

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Yes I have, and believe you me, it was one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen.

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Ask your vet, they don't.
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And that brings us right back to my previous comment.  Are Human Beings magical creatures that we can get nutrition from places that the other animals of the planet can't?

There are a lot of nutritious matters such as protein, calcium and energy in milk but there are no iron and taurine.  It is typical and unique for cats to require taurine, similar to amino acid matter contained only in products of animal origin.  Hence the cats constant hunting of prey.  However, they also require the protein, the calcium, the Vitamins and energy that are available in milk.

Now, NO one is saying they should have a diet consisting solely of milk.  Even I said it's a rare treat for my cats.  But they DO get nutrition from it.

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No Dairy farm would be large enough to hold thousands.

The actual average number of cows for dairy farms is 45-100. It is also important to note that the cows spend the majority of their time grazing in the fields and are only confined for milking purposes and before sundown for the night.

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Quasi-serious question of the day before I rot my brain on comics:

Do vegans drink breast milk?

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Babies do.  Most that I know do not want any synthesized products entering their bodies.  Since formula is a synthetic product, they do not use it.

I am also one of those who would not survive without milk/dairy products.  My hubby, however, is slightly lactose intolerant so he has to watch how much he eats/drinks.  Personally, I think most PETA members are whacko.  The only thing I agree with them on is the fur thing.  However, they try to get their points across in the wrong way.  What about goat's milk?  Do they have a problem with that also or do they just have a thing for cows?  I would like to know, too, how many of them own leather products and feast on a nice juicy steak, behind closed doors, of course ;D

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But just previously you said this was caused by the growth hormones injected into the cow to increase milk production!  So, which is it - the milk, or the hormones that that are causing this problem?


Ah, OK.  So what about wild boars running around in the woods?  Those lakes and sreams must be veritable toxic wastelands, right?

People have been rasing livestock since the dawn of civilization.  And this is only a problem NOW?  I don't think so.
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If the hormone injected into the cow is what's causing the cancer, and the hormone is passed from cow to human through milk, than i'd say it's the hormones in the milk.


As Hairspray pointed out my error, pig farm populations, not cow farm, often reach and can exceed 1000 pigs. I doubt that any wild boar packs roaming the woods are numbered in the 1000s.

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However, they try to get their points across in the wrong way.  What about goat's milk?  Do they have a problem with that also or do they just have a thing for cows?  I would like to know, too, how many of them own leather products and feast on a nice juicy steak, behind closed doors, of course ;D
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That's true about how they just go about spreading their intentions and messages a little too radically.

As far as your last comment -

Hypocrisy is strong with them.  ;D

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If the hormone injected into the cow is what's causing the cancer, and the hormone is passed from cow to human through milk, than i'd say it's the hormones in the milk.End Quote

Then you've lost the argument that the milk proteins have been linked to both breast and protate cancer.  The HORMONES given to the cows are what is linked.  NOT the milk.  The milk is the source, but it is through our own doing, not through the milk itself.  The milk is fine.

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No, I doubt that as well.  But you see, we RAISED pigs growing up.  NOBODY had thousands, in our entire area.  a couple hundred, at most.  And the water to this day is just as fine as it ever was.  Sure, the pig pens STINK, but crap tends to do that.  Even yours.  Pigs are sloppy creatures, but damaging the Earth?  No.  This is right in there with blaming the hole in the Ozone layer on cow farts.

Also, one more note on the cats:
"Most adult cats are lactose intolerant and drinking milk will give them diarrhea. Otherwise, milk is a nutritious snack. Cream is even better than milk — most cats can handle the butterfat just fine and it's good for them. A small serving of cream will satisfy the cat more than a saucer of milk and will contain less lactose."  It's recommended that if you DO give a cat milk, make sure it's whole milk, not skim or reduced fat.

This is what MY research has shown me.  Again, our cats have never had a problem with diarrhea after drinking milk.  But we stick with whole milk only.

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Then you've lost the argument that the milk proteins have been linked to both breast and protate cancer.  The HORMONES given to the cows are what is linked.  NOT the milk.  The milk is the source, but it is through our own doing, not through the milk itself.  The milk is fine.
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These hormones increase the level of insulin in the milk, this insulin can sensitize infants to cows insulin forcing the baby to make antibodies that attack the cows insulin. And these same antibodies attack the beta cells of the pancreas, which can cause juvenile diabetes. Alledgedly

Fine, if you think that the milk is fine than that's cool with me. I don't want to sound like one of those PETA activists, i'm not trying to convince anyone to stop drinking milk. I'm just stating the reasons that I don't drink it. And since i've stated all that I know on this subject I will now stop.

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2 of my favorite things in the world:

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My favorite dinner combo of all-time!  

Having a Bud and Beef.  mmmmmmm :D

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Oh thats good.

I'll drink to that! 8)

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These hormones increase the level of insulin in the milk, this insulin can sensitize infants to cows insulin forcing the baby to make antibodies that attack the cows insulin. And these same antibodies attack the beta cells of the pancreas, which can cause juvenile diabetes. AlledgedlyEnd Quote

But you're blaming the milk, and it's the hormones injected into the cows that are to blame.  That's like overclocking your CPU in your computer and if it burns out blaming the CPU rather than the cause, which was YOU.  

If it's a concern, and yes growth hormones can be a concern, then choose organic milk, from cows which have NOT been injected with hormones.  Now, you have the nutrition of milk, without the hormones.

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But you're blaming the milk, and it's the hormones injected into the cows that are to blame.  That's like overclocking your CPU in your computer and if it burns out blaming the CPU rather than the cause, which was YOU.  

If it's a concern, and yes growth hormones can be a concern, then choose organic milk, from cows which have NOT been injected with hormones.  Now, you have the nutrition of milk, without the hormones.
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I see your point. I don't know about organic milk, but i've tried soy milk once, and it was IMO terrible. I can't believe they have the nerve to charge people more for it.

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I see your point. I don't know about organic milk, but i've tried soy milk once, and it was IMO terrible. I can't believe they have the nerve to charge people more for it.
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Try the vanilla or strawberry flavored.  It's yummy.  Just curious, do you eat no dairy products, or just no milk?  A friend of mine will eat no dairy at all.  

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I see your point. I don't know about organic milk, but i've tried soy milk once, and it was IMO terrible. I can't believe they have the nerve to charge people more for it.
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Now THAT I'll agree with.  Soy milk sucks.

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Personally, I don't listen to what the FDA or anyone else says about "cancer causing foods."  One minute, they tell you that something is bad for you, but just wait awhile and it is good for you again.   I just eat what tastes good.  
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Dang straight.  I've accepted that I'm probably going to get cancer no matter what (considering that I've been frolicking around with radiation and mutagens and carcinogens for the past five years) so I'm just going to eat whatever I want and dare Death to try to bring me down ;D

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Try the vanilla or strawberry flavored.  It's yummy.  Just curious, do you eat no dairy products, or just no milk?  A friend of mine will eat no dairy at all.  
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I still eat eggs, but when I was diagnosed as lactose intolerant I stopped eating dairy instead of taking pills or paying an arm and leg for milk with the lactose removed. My doctor told me all the other bad things that milk can cause, but of course these things are still being researched and no one knows for sure whether or not milk is bad, so I decided to play it safe and cut it out all together.

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On the other hand, beer in your cereal....

Mmmmmmmmm, Beerios....
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LMAO!! I've actually DONE this!! Hey, I was a bachelor!! And it was Honey Nut Beerios LMAO ;D  :P

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They are part of the meat family, actually. But it's all good. I got what you're sayin'. ;D

My advice: Beware of false propaganda. ;) 8)

Some "new age" doctors are extremists to the max. No lie.

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They are part of the meat family, actually. But it's all good. I got what you're sayin'. ;D

My advice: Beware of false propaganda. ;) 8)

Some "new age" doctors are extremists to the max. No lie.
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My dad used to refer to eggs as liquid meat.

I agree with you about the "New Age" quacks out there. A lot of these doctors just try to push expensive supplements to you.