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Subject: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: 80sRocked on 02/28/03 at 03:17 p.m.

Apparently the San Francisco Court has refused to dismiss the appeal to throw out the case.  

It now proceeds to the next level, and eventually to the US Supreme Court.

How sad and pathetic that becuase one man didn't like something that Americans hold near and dear to their heart, it now is in danger of being destroyed. ::)

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to punch a hole in my wall. >:(





Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: Rice Cube on 02/28/03 at 03:35 p.m.

Let's see...

So, I think it's unconstitutional in that "under God" violates the separation of church and state decree.  Schools are institutions of the state so I don't think you can argue that.

However, you can argue on the basis of freedom of speech (I think!) that individuals should have the right to pledge their allegiance to a deity (God) or a symbol (flag) and those who don't wish to don't have to.

I did it all the time in school, and I don't even believe in God.  I thought nothing of it.  But then again I was only 8 years old ::)

At school, while there is a separation of church and state, kids who are religious do band together to form religious clubs.  I sat in on a few to learn more about religion, but I didn't pray.  I don't think there's anything wrong with allowing people to worship as they please as long as it does not disrupt normal school functions.

Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 02/28/03 at 03:40 p.m.

The way I see it, the phrase "under God" doesn't necessarily mean the Christian God.  I just see it as a catch-all for whatever higher power a person believes in.  If people are so offended by it, they should just skip those 2 words.

Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: shazzaah on 02/28/03 at 04:00 p.m.

Okay, since God is printed on our American money,  and that guy is offended by references to God, he can give me his.

Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 02/28/03 at 04:25 p.m.

heehee.  me too.

Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: Race_Bannon on 02/28/03 at 04:48 p.m.

I remeber back to my young days doing the Pledge, truth be known it was a bunch of words we repeated in unison to feel proud about, even if we didn't understand the entire meaning. I do recall that it did feel good to be part of the collective group, no matter who you were in the class learning level or out on the play field you were at that time in equal standing with everyone else.

Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: dagwood on 02/28/03 at 04:51 p.m.


Quoting:
The way I see it, the phrase "under God" doesn't necessarily mean the Christian God.  I just see it as a catch-all for whatever higher power a person believes in.  If people are so offended by it, they should just skip those 2 words.
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Yeah, that.  

Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: Paul S. on 02/28/03 at 04:56 p.m.


Quoting:
Apparently the San Francisco Court has refused to dismiss the appeal to throw out the case.  

It now proceeds to the next level, and eventually to the US Supreme Court.

How sad and pathetic that becuase one man didn't like something that Americans hold near and dear to their heart, it now is in danger of being destroyed. ::)

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to punch a hole in my wall. >:(

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Not all Americans hold it dear to their heart.  Are you Christian?  Whether that phrase is in the pledge or on the money makes no difference between your relationship to God or not.  What it can be used for is a typical political football to make yourself look more religious or patriotic then a person really is.  Like other political football topics like abortion or homosexuality.

"Under God" wasn't originally even on the money, but it was added in the 1950's by wackos who thought it would be magic garlic to scare away the communist vampires.

Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: 80sRocked on 02/28/03 at 05:27 p.m.

Quoting:
Not all Americans hold it dear to their heart. End Quote



OK, my bad, maybe not all, just an overwhelming majority.



Quoting:Are you Christian?  End Quote



Yea, so what.  People can pray to themselves in school if the choose to do so.  But they can't say "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance?

Further proof of the "Seperation of Church and State"'s original intent being totally altered to suit the tast of a few who claim to be offended.

The orignal purpose of Seperation of Church and State was simply to prevent churches from becoming state-sponsored governing bodies with legislative authority, in other words the exact opposite as it was with the Church of England.  It had nothing to do with banning "Under God" from the pledge.  Or many recent "...Church and State" related bannings for that matter.  Its amazing how the clause's original intent has been altered over the years.  ::)




Quoting:
"Under God" wasn't originally even on the money...
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Correct, and its never been an issue until a Whacko Nutjob decided one day that he was suddenly offended by it, and the prospect of being in the headlines probably played a part to.  Not to mention how he tried to use his daughter as a pawn in his agenda claiming she was offended, which later turned out to be a total lie.



If you have a problem with "Under God", do us a favor and just don't say it.  Nobody's forcing you to say it.  Not that difficult. ::)


In addition, Building on what Rice said:  If the courts decide its suddenly illegal to say "Under God" in the pledge, one can easily counter-sue for infringement of Freedom of Speech. ;)




Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: oddxsocks on 02/28/03 at 06:25 p.m.


Quoting:

"Under God" wasn't originally even on the money, but it was added in the 1950's by wackos who thought it would be magic garlic to scare away the communist vampires.
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that's my feeling...not all religions believe in a god, and america isn't supposed to be distinguishing (sp?) one religion as the offical religion...i guess it could be argued that "god" is a synonym for whatever you believe in, but it sounds strange to me...

Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: CatwomanofV on 02/28/03 at 07:19 p.m.

Why don't they say "Under the Goddess"? I wouldn't be offended then.  ;)




Cat

Subject: Re: "Under God" is back in court...

Written By: My_name_is_Kenny on 02/28/03 at 09:00 p.m.

Freedom of religion isn't freedom from religion.  I see no big deal whether "Under God" stays in the Pledge or not.  If you want to take it out, fine.  It couldn't hurt.  You highly religious types are free to continue worshipping God.  Life goes on.  And if it stays, life goes on too.  Why should it make any difference to you whether the money mentions some kind of religious deity.  I don't see how it stops you from continuing your heathen ways* however you see fit.

*joking