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Subject: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
I'm certainly not an expert in politics. I'm just a regular person who just watches the news and doesn't truly understand what's happening anymore.
I know a few of you, here, do have a better understanding and I wish to be enlightened.
Set me straight - If you can. I just have many questions and opinions I'm going to just throw out there. If these sound foolish or off the wall, I beg your pardon:
1) Bush's speech last night was the last straw. I do not trust him as the President of our United States anymore. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but IMO it's becoming clearer and clearer he has his own agenda - whatever it is. He really wants to attack no matter what. Nothing's going to get in his way.
2) North Korea sees what Bush is doing to Iraq and it's worried they're going to be next. I don't blame them.
There is mounting international concern about President George W Bush's grouping together of Iran, Iraq and North Korea as an "axis of evil".
The three countries, which he termed the "axis of evil" in his State of the Union address this week, should know that manufacturing the weapons or aiding terrorists meant that "you too are on our watch list".
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-01-26-axis-usat_x.htm
Does America, by itself, have the right to police the world?
Why is it America has the right to have missiles if other countries are not "allowed" to have them?
I think I have forgotten, please remind me if you should so feel the need:
3) How was it Hussein became an issue? He was not involved in 9/11.
Wasn't Bush supposed to continue the search for Bin Laden to make absolutely sure he's dead and continue to take-out Al Queida cells?
4) The fact that some of America's Allies are not supporting this war sets-off some alarms, IMO.
5) Does the fact that Republicans are in control have anything to do with how this is being handled in the US government?
6) If the majority of the country was against this war, could Bush still do it?
7) Does he have the power to override the words of the people to carry out a goal?
8) Who keeps the President in check?
9) Did Congress give Bush the power to go to war, whether America liked it or not?
10) If political assassination were made legal, the offending target (Hussien) could be taken-out without having to attack an entire country and waste hundreds of lives in the process.
I assume it's probably already done illegally and covered-up in some instances, but in the case of Hussein it would probably be too obvious the US would be involved.
OR
Maybe I just watch too many action movies. :-/
I'm open to opinions and answers folks!
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Well..Here's my opinions for what they're worth
1. Dunno, I didn't see the speech but I did see the election so I don't even consider him a legitimate leader.
2. Absolutely, I can't blame them either. America has already started provoking them. Military aircraft within 150miles of N Korea?, I can't imagine a North Korean jet would get anywhere near that close to the US without being shot down.
3. Interesting question, I can't answer this except to say that GWB became far more popular after 9/11. Wars always bring countries together and allow the government to invoke the deadly '"if you don't support us you're a terrorist" argument. It also takes people's minds off the economy, etc. and allow the government to bring in draconian laws to restrict your freedom.
4. It should do, Democracy cannot be ignored just because the majority don't agree with you.
5. Dunno, I don't follow US domestic politics!
6. Not in a democracy! This is exactly what Tony 'war criminal' Blair is doing. The view of the British people is clearer than in the US, we do NOT want a war but TB has announced that he doesn't care.
7/8/9. Dunno!
10. Bush could also be taken out in this manner but I personally question whether it is 'Bush the man' in charge or whether he'd just be replaced by another puppet of the real ruling powers. I have to say that this is not a civilised way to approach politics, what if we assassinated every leader we didn't like, there would be none left, anywhere in the world.
Also, there will be far more than 'hundreds' of lives wasted when the US attacks Iraq.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
A lot of people are asking these same questions, Hairspray. You are not alone. According to the Constitution, it is Congress who declares war. However, the Republican Congress decided to give that right to the Dubya. There is supposed to be checks and balances so that we could not have a dictator. Unfortunately, Congress is allowing the U.S. to become a dictatorship.
If this is truely, about getting rid of Saddam, why not just send in a couple of sharpshooters? Yes, assasinating another leader is illegal but invading another country is just as illegal. If the U.S. is going to do something illegal anyway, why not do it where there is less casualties? But if Dubya did that, then he wouldn't have access to the oil in the region. I know someone is going to say, "Here we go-it's back to the oil thing." Well, that is what this is all about, whether this person wants to see it or not. Dubya wants to get his hands on Iraqi oil and he is not going to stop at anything to get it!
I really have to say that I am very scare what Dubya is doing to this country and to the world. I think we all should be. We only have two more years of this and hopefully we will all be here to vote him out of office.
Cat
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
My question that I want to throw in the mix is...
The UN is dead set on Iraq destroying any and all missiles they have stockpiled. What is that going to solve? Obviously, if they made them, they can make some more. If they didn't, they can just get some more. Can't they?
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
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My question that I want to throw in the mix is...
The UN is dead set on Iraq destroying any and all missiles they have stockpiled. What is that going to solve? Obviously, if they made them, they can make some more. If they didn't, they can just get some more. Can't they?
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Woooooooah...
There is no spoon 8)
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Whether through arrogance, ignorance or incompetence, this administration has squandered whatever international goodwill existed immediately after 9/11.
You aren't the only one who's worried, Cat...
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
It's pretty obvious that our dear President set his mind some time ago that Saddam had to go. Is this the best move? I have no idea. Neither does anyone else. Bush is the one with all the top secret intelligence reports and security council briefings, not me.
But, on the other hand, diplomatically, the administration has shot itself in the foot so many times it's not funny. Rumsfeld himself compared, while in Germany, compared the country to a terrorist state "like Libya." Way to get allies on our side, you f***ing idiot. Getting Germany on our side would go a long way toward helping us win this war AND keeping the Western Alliance intact. France, on the other hand... France is useless and always has been. And who are they to talk about not carrying matters into our own hands, don't they have French troops over in the Ivory Coast?
Is there a link between Hussein and 9/11? Well, maybe. There's talk that Hussein funded some Al-Qaeda operations, including the WTC bombing and the USS Cole attack as well. I'm not very informed on this subject, though, and there's talk that this supposed link is a load of BS.
Quoting:North Korea sees what Bush is doing to Iraq and it's worried they're going to be next. I don't blame them. End Quote
Oh, poor North Korea.
Quoting:Dubya wants to get his hands on Iraqi oil and he is not going to stop at anything to get it!End Quote
I looked around the internet to see if I could find an argument that said the war was not about oil. I found this article, and didn't understand a word of it. If anyone speaks financial-ese, I would appreciate it if you could translate it for me.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Quoting:Oh, poor North Korea.End Quote
No. You misunderstand. I don't blame them for being on the defensive.
Better now?
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Quoting:Does America, by itself, have the right to police the world?End Quote
That would be an great point if it weren't for the hypocritical fact that every time some PC hot spot comes in focus, we're told we should "do something" - both by UN and liberals.
Most recently, remember Somalia? Remember Bosnia?
I didn't hear any complaining about those.
And I don't want to hear, "well they were good causes"!
a) there were/are many such fights to stick our nose in where we have not
b) there was absolutely, positively, no connection to American interests whatsoever, which is the best cause for the US gov't I know.
Frankly, I'd be just as happy w/an isolationist vision, which has 2 sides to the same coin:
a) we don't "impose our will" (as if that was so terrible) on others so no1 can carp about that; and
b) we don't waste capital, bodies and time - often for good which is never appreciated and most often disparaged - which could be spent here instead.
IOW, damned if we do, damned if we don't.
Quoting:Why is it America has the right to have missiles if other countries are not "allowed" to have them?End Quote
a) It's not only America that is "allowed" to have them.
b) Other countries have called for disarmament of various other countries.
It's not just America, on either end. Additionally, there simply are some nations you know you can trust, others not. It's the same as people. Convicts aren't allowed to have weapons here (or a vote, for that matter).
Quoting:The fact that some of America's Allies are not supporting this war sets-off some alarms, IMOEnd Quote
Some? Like Germany and France? Those who have a big interest in Iraq, as I understand? What about the other countries? What about Eastern European nations? They're conveniently ignored cuz they're not making a stink. Squeeky wheel gets the grease - or at least the press.
Not that I care what any others think. If we cared what others think so much, we would never have made it past so-called "War of 1812". Neither would we be the great republic we started and became.
Quoting:6) If the majority of the country was against this war, could Bush still do it?End Quote
Absolutely. He's a representative the whole elected. We are not a pure democracy (aka "mob rule"). We'd have to impeach and convict, or he step down, or get rid of the executive order "power".
Quoting:9) Did Congress give Bush the power to go to war, whether America liked it or not?End Quote
This Congress did not "give" Bush the power for war. This is unfortunately a long-established "power" instituted I don't know how long now, called executive orders. I don't like that such things clearly violate the Constitution, but let us not be hypocritical.
It was fine and dandy when Clinton did it. He went into Somalia, Bosnia, and bombed a couple places like Afghanistan and Sudan. He's bombed Iraq a few times.
How fast we forget the "bombing Iraq on Ramadan" where Clinton was going for another of air raid. Funny the only reason that Iraq attack made news was because of a PC stink about him doing it over Ramadan.
All this time I heard little concern over just sending troops whereever. I'd just like a little consistency both about military actions themselves, and executive orders.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Several points: Cat said that Congress declares war - right, but it did pass a resolution giving Mr Bush authority in this case, AND as Commander the pres can deploy troops for, I think 30 days of combat WITHOUT Congress.
Oil - Iraq has awarded contracts to French, Russian and Chinese firms to explore and develop oil - none to U.S. firms (surprise). Iraqi resistance groups have vowed to void these contracts once Saddam is gone. Who do you think will get them?
AlQuida - These people are fundamentalists - they hate Saddam and his secular, "socialist" regime - have declared him an enemy of Islam. They have, however, taken a page from the U.S. foreign policy book that says "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and vowed to help Iraq (not Saddam). My guess is that they, along with Iran, will support the Shiite majority against the U.S. and the Sunni minority from which Saddam gets most of his support. Their aim will be the establishment of a Taliban - like regime, and they could well succeed.
Public opinion - Mr Bush just doesn't give a d**m. He figures that the Am. Legion boys etc will rally round the flag and brand ALL dissent subversive and unpatriotic, and get mass support from the heartland.
Saddam the bad guy - Sure he is, but that has never mattered in the past. U.S. foreign policy is full of examples of U.S. support for some of the bloodiest dictators - Pinocet comes to mind, and the death squads in El Salvador, the Contras in Nicaragua - the list is almost endless. In fact, in the 1980s, Saddam was our "fair haired boy" in that part of the world - during his war against Iran the U.S. aided him to the tune of $35 BILLION, and supplied him with intelligence. The enemy of my enemy... What changed was that Saddam decided to push the envelope and get bigger than Washington wanted him to be - more independent. It has nothing to do with the quality of his regime - that has almost never been a foreign policy concern (only under Carter, and that was limited concern).
That, at least, is how I read all this.
D.C.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Quoting:Dubya wants to get his hands on Iraqi oil and he is not going to stop at anything to get it!End Quote
Several reasons why this common accusation makes little sense.
a) Daddy Bush didn't take over Iraq in '91. Once they truced, we receded. There was no takeover in any way.
b) Iraq makes little contribution to our oil consumption. I've heard its way down about 5% or so. Big deal. (Guess who gets a good deal of their oil from Iraq? More support for the "friends" theory below in c))
c) Saudi Arabia, OTOH, contributes a great deal. After ourselves, Canada, Venezuela, I think they are. They are much bigger in sales for us than Iraq. If anything, I'd suspect the reason we STAY "FRIENDS" w/the Saudis IS because of oil! Despite the grumbling about their abuses!
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
RnRF, your post was way off topic. Sorry. Try again.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Listening to NPR and catching the arms inspectors addressing the security councel and reading up on print media this morning I have to say that it would be best for Bush and company to step back a bit. Saddam has only been cooperating lately, and with the huge war protests and testimonials fromt the weapons inspectors Saddam has one the PR battle. At this point for the US to move in with out some VERY solid reason, we lose big.
However we need to point out that to accomplish this level of cooperation from Iraq including the recent destruction of missiles was only done through the pressure of the Bush administration.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Let us theorize that we do not go to war after all. We allow the UN to continue their inspections, handle the situation with Iraq, etc, etc. What do we suppose Saddam would do then? Does anyone honestly think that he is just going to step down and play nice? Or that he will never build weapons again or attack people, or another point, does anone think he will stop supporting groups that attack in a terrorist fashion?
Again, no sarcasm intended these are real questions, what is your opinion?
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Regarding the war resolution passed by Congress last year. Got this from http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/16/bush.resolution/
The congressional measure authorizes Bush to commit U.S. troops to enforce U.N. resolutions mandating Iraq give up its efforts to develop chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. It requires him to declare to Congress either before or within 48 hours after beginning military action that diplomatic efforts to enforce those resolutions have failed.
Bush also must certify that action against Iraq would not hinder efforts to pursue the al Qaeda terrorist network that attacked New York and Washington last year. And it requires the administration to report to Congress on the progress of any war with Iraq every 60 days.
The resolution passed both houses of Congress by wide margins last week, despite critics' concerns that it gives Bush too much power.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
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Let us theorize that we do not go to war after all. We allow the UN to continue their inspections, handle the situation with Iraq, etc, etc. What do we suppose Saddam would do then? Does anyone honestly think that he is just going to step down and play nice? Or that he will never build weapons again or attack people, or another point, does anone think he will stop supporting groups that attack in a terrorist fashion?
Again, no sarcasm intended these are real questions, what is your opinion?
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President Bush was right when he called Hussein a cancer, and I believed him when he said Iraq presents a threat to American security. The UK has taken a step back on this point: they will support of a war for disarmament, but will not support a war for regime change.
It took a huge US Army on his border to get Hussein to cooperate to the grudging extent he has so far.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
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No. You misunderstand. I don't blame them for being on the defensive.
Better now?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't North Korea try to secretly restart their nuclear program, and THEN the USA stopped shipping oil as per the treaty signed in '94? I don't think the USA would just do it out of spite.
Not to mention that North Korea ISN'T on the defensive...on the contrary, they've been rather offensive, figuratively and literally. It's like their pighead of a leader has a deathwish or something.
Considering the USA has deployed 24 bombers to Guam as a deterrent, I think they've done enough for now.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't North Korea try to secretly restart their nuclear program, and THEN the USA stopped shipping oil as per the treaty signed in '94? I don't think the USA would just do it out of spite.
Not to mention that North Korea ISN'T on the defensive...on the contrary, they've been rather offensive, figuratively and literally. It's like their pighead of a leader has a deathwish or something.
Considering the USA has deployed 24 bombers to Guam as a deterrent, I think they've done enough for now.
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Can't correct you. I haven't the faintest. I'm under a stubborn delusion. ;D
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Quoting:
Can't correct you. I haven't the faintest. I'm under a stubborn delusion. ;D
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It's all good :)
I just posted because I felt that no matter what, the Bush could do no right.
"You're not attacking North Korea!"
"Oh, alright, I'll send some jets in and deploy some troops..."
"Oh, great, now you're provoking them!"
::)
Subject: Where Do You Stand?
Spray, try this neat little Political Compass to find out where you stand politically.
Subject: Re: Where Do You Stand?
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Spray, try this neat little Political Compass to find out where you stand politically.End Quote
That was so cool, Davester. Thanks.
I'll teel you where I ended-up if you tell me first. ;D
Subject: Re: Where Do You Stand?
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That was so cool, Davester. Thanks.
I'll teel you where I ended-up if you tell me first. ;D
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My results...
http://images.andale.com/f2/116/115/6042312/1047161570101_capture65aa.jpg
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.38
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
How were you able to aquire the image? It's not pasting properly on my end.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
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How were you able to aquire the image? It's not pasting properly on my end.
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I used the screen capture feature of an image editing program I have (Super JPG), then trimmed it and uploaded it to my image host.
Just for reference, with whom are you closest-to on the graph which includes famous leaders of the past...primarily British, I think.
According to this, I'm a little southeast of Ghandi.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Well....
I clicked on the "Thinkers from the four quadrants" link, then on my category:
Libertarian Left
I am, evidently, of similar standing in the political compass as:
Thomas Paine
This woefully neglected icon of free thought was not only a central figure in the American and French revolutions, but also came impressively close to kick-starting one in England.
A free trader in the days when free trade meant minimising the risk of war and undermining the exploitation of the nation state, Paine also advocated social safety nets in anticipation of the welfare state.
His danger to churches and governments was his ability to write in plain accessible language - and to ridicule pomp and power.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.82
I guess I am more to the left that I thought. This is from someone who USED to vote Republican.
Cat
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
I also took the test, and you can't get much further into the lower left corner than I did ;D And I'm da**m proud of it too! ;D Lets see how far up into the top right 80'srocked scores!??? ???
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Personally I think President George W. Bush is a total meathead. The idiot is trying to start World War III and he doesn't care what the rest of the planet thinks. Anyway, Dubay is just a mouthpiece for the extreme right. I don't think Dubya is really making that many decisions on his own here. Do we ever hear from the so called "liberal media" WHY France and Germany are against us? No, all we hear our dumb jokes about Frenchmen and Frenchwomen and how evil Germany, Russia and China are. Dubya knows that there's no way Iraq can disarm in a mere 10 days, so he's using that as his excuse to invade the country.
There is no substantial evidence that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with the 9-11 attacks. If he did, then I would be all for invading Iraq and getting the guy. But there is none! And what about Osama Bin Laden? Shouldn't we be going after him? The so called "Liberal media" is basically on Dubya's side, calling anyone that opposes the war Anti-American and unpatriotic. This adminstration thinks that invading Iraq will bring peace to the Middle East? That's a pipe dream. Going to war for peace is like f**king for virginity.
If you thought Jimmy Carter was a terrible president, then Dubya is 10 times worse then Carter. I can't wait to elect this moron out of office.
Subject: In General...
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Do we ever hear from the so called "liberal media" WHY France and Germany are against us? No, all we hear our dumb jokes about Frenchmen and Frenchwomen and how evil Germany, Russia and China are.
The so called "Liberal media" is basically on Dubya's side, calling anyone that opposes the war Anti-American and unpatriotic.
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(1) Members of the media are generally more liberal than conservative.
(2) The media follows its commercial market.
(3) As 2000 and 2002 elections show, there's not much difference between Democrats and Republicans.
So think about it for just a moment. The media seems to be more conservative these days than it was a few years ago, but that's largely because delivery of news is a business, something at which conservatism sells.
As CNN and other markets become more conservative, though, it is a slight variation on previous phenomena. It represents an economic power game: there is still a huge left in the United States. Nobody with any money on the table in the news or political game cares, though.
It's why the Dems lost the White House in 2000 and Congress in 2002. Why would people vote for imitator Republicans? If you're going to screw yourself, why not do it with the real McCoy? Why screw yourself with a knockoff dildo?
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
That was an interesting, neat little test. In British politics, I'd be in cahoots with a certain Charles Kennedy and Robin Cook. I'm kind of a Centre-type ??? Oscillating between Left and Right Libertarian. On the graph I landed in the Libertarian Left quadrant (Economic Left/Right: -1.00 and Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.13).
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
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Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.82
This is from someone who USED to vote Republican.
Cat
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Yes, as have I...once. I'm still in denial. :-But, at least you voted! I'll save my "America, Get Your Lazy Butt Out To The Polls And Vote" speech for another time. ;)
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
On the graph I scored three quadrants to the right on the conservative side and exactly in the middle of the Authoritarian and Libertarian side. I can't argue with those results.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
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Personally I think President George W. Bush is a total meathead. The idiot is trying to start World War III and he doesn't care what the rest of the planet thinks. Anyway, Dubay is just a mouthpiece for the extreme right. I don't think Dubya is really making that many decisions on his own here. Do we ever hear from the so called "liberal media" WHY France and Germany are against us? No, all we hear our dumb jokes about Frenchmen and Frenchwomen and how evil Germany, Russia and China are. Dubya knows that there's no way Iraq can disarm in a mere 10 days, so he's using that as his excuse to invade the country.
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Funny. I've never heard anything about how evil China or Germany or Russia is. I've heard plenty of reasons why France and Germany are opposed to the idea of war.
I have heard plenty of French jokes, though.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Davester is right when he says that the media is business, but it is more. It is a monopoly controlled by some of the most conservative b****trds around - Rupert Murdoch etc. Even the print media is getting closer to monopoly. How many independent daily papers are still around? And the left press is vertually dead. So how do we get closer to the truth? You've got to read between the lines, learn to disect the editorializing from the facts, believe only half of those, and ask questions the media refuses to answer. Be sceptical and QUESTION AUTHORITY!!! And remember, the SOBs lie.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
This is what I believe:
Quoting:
He really wants to attack no matter what. Nothing's going to get in his way.
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No matter what Iraq does, they're accused of stalling and lying. Maybe they are, maybe they're not. But it doesn't matter. Bush wants war, so that's it.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
I'm slightly south-west of Ghandi on the political compass thingy. :)
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.33
About as left as Tony Benn and a little more libertarian than him and good old Ken!
"..The people's flag is deepest red..." ;D
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
You and I are very much in the same ball park there, Taoist!
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
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You and I are very much in the same ball park there, Taoist!
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Cool
I'm glad to see Tony and Ken there too. I'm not sure if you're familiar with them but they're 2 politicians I quite admire.
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
I'm unfamiliar with them, but considering where I turned up on the compass in relation to them, they must be all right. ;)
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Quoting:
Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.33
About as left as Tony Benn and a little more libertarian than him and good old Ken!
"..The people's flag is deepest red..." ;D
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I hit spot on the "old" Ken Livingstone (-5/-5), though he's moved a bit to the right since becoming Mayor
One might comment about how the longer a politician stays in power, the higher the authoritarian rating gets (the bit that says "we know better")
Phil
Subject: Re: Oh No! I Have Questions About Politics - Bush.
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.67
Now, what this actually means, I have no clue. ???