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I think the difference, Phil, is that Trent Lott made a passive statement and he got ripped and vilified for it, whereas Moran is making an OVERT statement, and if my guess is right, he will most likely get away with it.  
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IKWYM - I thought the reaction to what he said was way OTT, too.  I also think that Moran shouldn't have talked of the Jewish "communities" supporting the war, but of the lobby groups instead - they tend to have a much more radical and hard-line agenda (at least the way it was reported over here recently).

Phil

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That's right, it is lobby groups.  I think their uncritical support for Isreal creats much of the problem.  But if you want to win N.Y., Cal., and steal Florida, you can't offend the lobbyists.

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Sorta like a certain Mississippi politician
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/moran.jews/index.html
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Yeah, and the guy may be anti-semitic for all I know, but Trent Lott is a good ol' boy racist from way back, just like Strom Thurmond and lots of other politicians, Republican and Democrat.  U.S. racism is alive and well (and living in Washington), although the one good thing I can say about Mr. Bush is that at least he doesn't show much of it and may be genuinlly commited to racial equality, although his anti-affirmative action position is troubling.

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He did not say anything wrong or anti-semetic. If the Jews get pissed off that easily, then that is their problem. They are the ones who started hostility in the middle east, not the arabs. It is because of their conflict that we got hit. We should have stayed out of it. I think Isreal should have zero influance on what we do as a country. They are not a friend the way France is, a country which supported our nations revolution.

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Okay, so first it was teachers, then it was capitalists, and now you hate JEWS TOO??  

I can't even begin to tell you how offensive that statement is  >:(

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He did not say anything wrong or anti-semetic. If the Jews get pissed off that easily, then that is their problem. They are the ones who started hostility in the middle east, not the arabs. It is because of their conflict that we got hit. We should have stayed out of it. I think Isreal should have zero influance on what we do as a country. They are not a friend the way France is, a country which supported our nations revolution.

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I don't know where you are getting your information from in the first place, but if you have a problem with Jews, I strongly suggest you take it somewhere else.  I, along with other people on this board are very offended by your statements.

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Okay, so first it was teachers, then it was capitalists, and now you hate JEWS TOO??  

I can't even begin to tell you how offensive that statement is  >:(
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Don't forget the government in general...

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Okay, so first it was teachers, then it was capitalists, and now you hate JEWS TOO??  

I can't even begin to tell you how offensive that statement is  >:(
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What do you disagree with?

I think we should not be so closely tied with Isreal. Why should the USA decide to support the Jewish faith in the middle east?? What does Joe Blow in Kentuky get out of it?

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I think the difference, Phil, is that Trent Lott made a passive statement and he got ripped and vilified for it, whereas Moran is making an OVERT statement, and if my guess is right, he will most likely get away with it.  

I wouldn't have brought this up if they hadn't ripped into Lott so viciously.  I personally didn't see any anti-semitism in Moran's statement, just an observation.  Of course, I could be wrong.

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Cool!!!  Trotting out Trent means we can argue about something again, Earl     http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/cool/cool-smiley-030.gif

Cobbling the two together is appropriate.  Neither, in my white bread opinion, are racists or made overtly racists statements, but...
How fricking stupid can you be?  Moran is the bigger moron, if for no other reason than he had a ring side seat at the public villification of Lott after his statements.  Disparage it, bemoan it, call it baiting; race and religion are still sensitive issues in this country.  I'm less shocked by what they've said than by the political indelicacy of it.  These guys are sposed to be professionals.

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Your blatant anti-Semitism.

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I think we should not be so closely tied with Isreal. Why should the USA decide to support the Jewish faith in the middle east?? What does Joe Blow in Kentuky get out of it?
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Oil.  :P

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Your blatant anti-Semitism.
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Dude, you are so wrong. If I can not hold an opinion which says Jews started the conflict in the middle east without you tearing my head off, then maybe I should not talk anymore. After all, it is the one who speaks the loudest who is right which is not me. So I will stop talking.

One last thing. I do believe the Jews used unproportional force against the palistinians. The Jews have a law which says they can not use the death penalty against another Jew, but they can against everyone else. So the guy who MURDERED their head of state is living, while a christian or catholic who violates their laws can be killed. Come on, get real. And I did like Rabin. I thought he was the last best chance for peace in that area of the world. And NO I do not think we as Americans have any buisness there. IF WE STAYED OUT OF THEIR BUISNESS THEN WE WOULD NOT BE A TARGET.

Those are my opinions. Now castrate me for saying it because you disagree. Or better yet, call me an anti-semite or jew hater and discredit my opinion without actually showing the opinion is wrong.

To everyone else, I appologize for my rant, and I will now leave.

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He did not say anything wrong or anti-semetic. If the Jews get pissed off that easily, then that is their problem.
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While I would not go as far as some in describing that comment as antisemitic, it's stupid and obviously comes from somebody who's never actually taken any notice of what the Jewish community has ever actually said (as opposed to the various pressure groups, as mentioned elsewhere in this thread).  The main thing you'll find is that, like the rest of the population, opinions within any Jewish community will vary from one extreme to the other (and by and large get great enjoyment from arguing about it).  You can't lump "Jewish opinion" together that way.

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They are the ones who started hostility in the middle east, not the arabs.
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I suggest you go back to school and learn a bit more about middle east history.  You can't point the finger at any one group and say "it's their fault"

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It is because of their conflict that we got hit. We should have stayed out of it. I think Isreal should have zero influance on what we do as a country. They are not a friend the way France is, a country which supported our nations revolution.
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If you keep thinking of things in such an overly simplistic manner, nobody's going to listen: the US policy in Israel may have been a factor in Al Quaeda's choice of targets, but I doubt it was the only one.  And France supports what they think is best for the French.  Full stop.  Period.  

Phil
PS I suggest you learn to spell Israel correctly if you want anybody to take you remotely seriously in this debate.

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While I would not go as far as some in describing that comment as antisemitic, it's stupid and obviously comes from somebody who's never actually taken any notice of what the Jewish community has ever actually said (as opposed to the various pressure groups, as mentioned elsewhere in this thread).  The main thing you'll find is that, like the rest of the population, opinions within any Jewish community will vary from one extreme to the other (and by and large get great enjoyment from arguing about it).  You can't lump "Jewish opinion" together that way.
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He is a member of congress and is the one who is subjected to being lobbied by organizations representing Jewish people. I think he knows more than the rest of us. He is the one who has to evaluate what they say. If those lobbyists are anything like Israel's former PM BN then I can say they are rasicsts. Have you heard him speak? The guy wants to torture and kill palistinians. He genuinly hates them in an evil way. He hates palistinian people, their kids, the way the live, the way they look, everything! I've seen him of Fox News right after 9/11 trying to use our emotions to allow for his country to kill more palistinians. Talk about genocide. All I can say is if America used the tactics Israel used, we would have civil war. Imagine if some black person killed a white person in the USA, and then the government arrested 50 people who are Black who they "suspected were associated with the person", tortured a few of them, and blew up a couple of Black owned houses. That is what Israel is doing and has been doing. How can you live under those conditions?

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I suggest you go back to school and learn a bit more about middle east history.  You can't point the finger at any one group and say "it's their fault"
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EXACTLY!! Why should we clean up the mess? I have a friend in the U.S. Marine Corps who is in the middle east. Why should he stick his neck out trying to resolve an issue with people who have never gotten along? Are we so dumb to think we can fix their problems?? These two groups have been murdering each other for hundreds of years. If my friend dies, it will be the fault of those "special interest groups" who have nothing better to do than wage war where they risk nothing. It is the rich old people who make war and send the poor young people to die. I am more of an American for saying we should not send our youngest kids to fight than those people who put a bumper sticker on their car with an American flag.

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If you keep thinking of things in such an overly simplistic manner, nobody's going to listen: the US policy in Israel may have been a factor in Al Quaeda's choice of targets, but I doubt it was the only one.  And France supports what they think is best for the French.  Full stop.  Period.  

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My whole point is we do not belong in that place. I do not like either side, they both fight dirty and unfair. They both have blood on their hands. Israel does something against the palistinians, so some palistinian who is ticked killes a Jew, then Israel decides to send in tanks. So some disturbed palistinian straps a bomb to his midsection and goes to a bus and kills people. Israel blows up some houses from a helicopter. And you want the United States to get in the middle of this? With our tax dollars?? Maybe this is why schools are underfunded and we do not have universal health coverage. Republicans want to keep that money for waging war; maybe war is more fun for them.

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Thanks. I learned something from your post. Now I will type it three times to make sure I remember it. Israel. Isael. Israel.

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Republicans want to keep that money for waging war; maybe war is more fun for them.
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John John John, listen to what you're saying here.

I'm not sure what your objective is in your posts thus far in this thread because you are coming across very negatively.

"Maybe war is more fun for them"?  Whats that supposed to mean?  I resent that statement. :(  


I'm really having a hard time figuring out where you're coming from in this thread John.

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John John John, listen to what you're saying here.

I'm not sure what your objective is in your posts thus far in this thread because you are coming across very negatively.

"Maybe war is more fun for them"?  Whats that supposed to mean?  I resent that statement. :(  


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80sRocked, All I am trying to say is the Isrealies are no better than the Palistinians. I do not understand why I am ruffeling so many feathers. I do not want to make people mad here. Everything I see on TV about that region is war, war, and more war. These people seem like they are hellbent on killing each other. I have a friend who is going over there, and I can not understand why he has to risk his life. We are going to be viewed by both sides as helping the other side. Why didn't the terrorists see how we helped muslims in Yugoslavija??? Instead they focus on the USA supporting Israel. And the Israelies seem to want everyone who disagrees with them to be looked at as Nazi's. The feelings the muslims and jews have in that part of the world are breed into them. They are raised with stories of how relatives were killed by the other side and are taught to hate each other.

My harshness with republican policy is because they always seem to be the ones, when in power, who start wars. Maybe that was a bit unfair. But why will they spend billions of dollars on fighting but they will not spend less than that on health care or education? I love America and am more interested in seeing our country with no homeless people and better schools in poor areas.

80sRocked, if I offended you I appologize. You are a good person.

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From what i've read Trent Lott stated that the country would have been better off if Strom Thurman had been elected, and since Strom was a segregationist, the media jumped in and said that Lott was praising his views on that. I think Lott was unfairly pegged as a racist.
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it was purely political.  The left saw an opportunity and ran with it.  Proof of that is the fact that while the left was crucifying Lott for a comment he made, they (the left) had(and still have) a former KKK member in their congressional caucus for crying out loud!

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Can't you tell?  He's Robin Hood and Gandhi combined.

My original purpose was to ask you, fellow penguins, whether Moran should be treated the same as Trent Lott for his statement.  If not, would that be construed as hypocrisy?  That's all.  Shall we continue?
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I don't believe Moron is in a leadership position, is he?  Lott was the majority leader of the US Senate, so a different standard does apply.  Bigger target, more heat.

And the Republican party has a LOT to prove viz minorities in America.  They are, after all, conservators of the status quo, and the status quo hasn't really treated minorities, African Americans in particular, very well.  

If you don't agree with that, name any issue presented as benefiting minorities in America conservatives have supported.  Affirmative action?  Civil rights acts?  The Martin Luther King holiday?  

In my opinion, when a Republican politician is caught with foot-in-mouth, the burden of proving they are not racist falls on them.

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I don't believe Moron is in a leadership position, is he?  Lott was the majority leader of the US Senate, so a different standard does apply.  Bigger target, more heat.End Quote

Yeah, but whether a senator or a representative, you should still try to watch what you say :P

Here's an update:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/14/moran.remarks/index.html

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What does Joe Blow in Kentuky get out of it?
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Aww...shucks.  I ain't lookin' fer nuthin' from no one.  My old man keeps his job in the coal mine fer we can have some supper on the table fer the young'uns.  I got all I need right here.  My housecoat fits just fine seein's how I'm barefoot an' impregnated all the time.
'Sides, we get lots a help cuz of them food stamps.  We got a right to them food stamps cuz we citzins of the USA.
Yeah, buddy.  If that Storm Thurmond feller or Trent Lotto was in charge, we shure wouldn't have no problems with them coloreds.
God bless Amurikah.

(Sidebar for the comically challenged: Written in sarcasm by a good ol' Kentucky girl)

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Aww...shucks.  I ain't lookin' fer nuthin' from no one.  My old man keeps his job in the coal mine fer we can have some supper on the table fer the young'uns.  I got all I need right here.  My housecoat fits just fine seein's how I'm barefoot an' impregnated all the time.
'Sides, we get lots a help cuz of them food stamps.  We got a right to them food stamps cuz we citzins of the USA.
Yeah, buddy.  If that Storm Thurmond feller or Trent Lotto was in charge, we shure wouldn't have no problems with them coloreds.
God bless Amurikah.

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Brillient CS, BRILLIENT.  I salute your humor.  Yeah I doz, and I'm a northern boy ;)  But seriously folks, since the 1950-60's especially, but even back in the '40s when Thurmond ran, the race problem was more and more a Democratic Party problem.  Dems controlled most northern cities, but had to contend with the southern party, which was (and is still) racist - the Republicans have been since Reconstruction.  Since northern Dems are more influential in the party, they move toward a more egalitarian position on race - they had to given the black migrations from south to north.  So the Dems have been more sensitive to race because they have had to be.  Meanwhile, the right, which still is very racist but refuses to admit it, has come to dominate the Rep. party, and could care less about minorities.  After all, "conservative" means protecting the  status quo - where live white guys rule and dead white guys are heros.  Same old tune, different (politically correct) lyrics

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Thank you, sir, for painting me with such a broad stroke. I didn't realize I was a racist, but I bow to your all knowing wisdom.

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Thank you, sir, for painting me with such a broad stroke. I didn't realize I was a racist, but I bow to your all knowing wisdom.


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Me too, Lester! I look pretty funny as a racist considering I am a female, and of Native American heritage. I better inform my African American best friend, Jackie....she may not want to be friends with a racist like me....

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Me too, Lester! I look pretty funny as a racist considering I am a female, and of Native American heritage. I better inform my African American best friend, Jackie....she may not want to be friends with a racist like me....
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Ooooh, conservative foul!  You referred to her by race!  Shame shame!

Sincerely,
Your Chinese Friend,
Rice Cube

8) :D ;D

Hey, Don Carlos, I'm a Republican too...funny, I don't feel white... ::)

(No offense to my white friends)

:D

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Ooooh, conservative foul!  You referred to her by race!  Shame shame!

Sincerely,
Your Chinese Friend,
Rice Cube

8) :D ;D
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You are right, of course. I could not have illustrated my point, however without mentioning her race, as well as mine. We have been friends since the Ice Age, lol, and are v. comfortable with each other so I don't think she would mind.

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Wow, Carlos, those are some pretty big words.

I'm about as right as you can get and I can honestly say I am not racist.  

I'm not part of a racial minority, but if I were, I would be pretty ticked that the left views them as nothing more than politcal pawns.  Your statement proves that.

Your statemtent requires some major explanation.  

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Is racism only a condition of whites?  I mean, are people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton immune to racist thoughts and actions?  
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I don't think it is only a condition of whites.  Racism is when someone immediately distrusts, dislikes or just pigeonholes someone based solely on their race.  Doesn't matter what your race is, you can be racist.

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I don't think this part is true. Minorities are considered equally, especially now in this day and age. The opportunities are there for the minorities to excel, succeed and be paid equally or more than Caucasians.

The military is one example.

Hollywood's a good public example, believe it or not.

It is up to each individual of any race to rise above old perceptions and more and more are doing so right now.

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Hollywood's a good public example, believe it or not.

It is up to each individual of any race to rise above old perceptions and more and more are doing so right now.
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I agree.  Just ask Oprah!

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I agree with you, DC.  To our credit, our sensitivity to it is finer than it was, say, 30 years ago.  

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Well, this needs an answer.  First, I'm not sure what you mean by "the left".  I agree that the Dems and the Repubs both could care less about people of color and their problems, they just care about their votes.  But that is how I percieve them in terms of all "regular folk".  Personally, I almost always feel I'm voting for lhe lesser evil, and I don't trust any of the b***rds.  However, the REAL left is for absolute racial equality, and REAL people power.  I'm not sure what left you are talking about though. ???

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Compared to the past, yes, I agree.  Although people of color still get killed because of their looks, like  the dragging in Texas a couple of years ago.  And there are MORE opportunities now for people of color than in the past, but by no means EQUAL opportunities.   My point is that there is still a long way to go before we can claim to be a non-racist society.  And my point is that the political establishment is still permiated with racists.  I don't know Moran, but Trent Lott, and many others, certainly fit that bill.

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No one said that, did they? In order for you to agree with them.

That is an opinion with which I don't agree.

As far as your opinion that there are "by no means EQUAL opportunities" -

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. IMO, there are.

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You're not off.  I thik many businesses/companies are so afraid these days of doing anything that would possibly bring up a racial issue, that they overcompensate to cover their bases.  Which is unfortunate.  I used to work at a tire plant and we had a black supervisor who came in drunk one night.  When he was demoted from his supervisor position he got a lawyer and claimed his demotion was racially driven. ::)  Hell of a guy, but after that he lost a lot of respect, to say the least.

Some different college affirmative action policies come to mind.  For example, some universities use a point system in their admissions process.  Basically, the applicant gets awarded different point values based on different factors such as HS GPA, SAT scores, etc etc.  In some universities that use affirmative action in their admissions, a black applicant can automatically be awarded 20 points right off the bat just for being black, while a perfect SAT score is only worth 12 points.  

U of Michigan uses a similar point system, and its disturbing that one can get more points towards addmission for being black than someone who gets a perfect SAT score.

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Hell yeah, white folk are always wishing to be black and hispanic 'cause we get all the breaks! We have it so easy, that achieving anything through hard work and perseverance is superfluous :) :D ;D


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Sarcasm alert!  ;D

Funny how dem affirmative action things don't work for us Chinamen, eh?  ;)

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Sarcasm alert!  ;D

Funny how dem affirmative action things don't work for us Chinamen, eh?  ;)
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Heathen Chinee, Earl...  ;)  
The difference -- we didn't bring you here in chains and hold you in slavery for a good part of three centuries.  We didn't follow that up with a century of segregation, sprinkled now and again with a lynching.  We've been able to build up some formidable barriers and develop some deep rooted prejudices in the interim.  
In fact, I would argue that some of the institutional racism you aren't experiencing is due, in part, to the hard fought victories of the civil rights movements of the past.  

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I dislike affirmative action.  Intensely.

I also dislike favors being given to people with friends in high places, but outlawing it is unfeasible, whereas racial discrimination is supposed to be illegal.  

I'm a minority, I guess (half-Vietnamese).  I don't recall ever being discriminated against in my life.  Maybe it's because people see Asians differently, we have positive stereotypes.  However, if I were some other, more persecuted minority, I would hope I would not want to experience such condescending head-patting bullshyte as the current affirmative action system.  
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Um, I'll take the head-patting if it means it'll get me places. I'm not doing it for anything less :) :D ;D If nepotism was good enough for the president of the "free world," then I'm fine with the idea of preferential treatment. The Bushes, the Kennedys, the Rockefellers, et al. definitely don't mind the condescending head-patting that comes with priviledge over others and neither do their friends in high places. I know it's not fair (oooh, the dreaded "f-word"), but, then, when has life ever been fair? Fairness in life is a ridiculous notion. There is no clear example of this anywhere.

Racial discrimination is illegal, but it's still practiced on all sorts of people. I know some guys who work for a well-known national bank and they see it all the time. Whether it is business or work related: It is like an unspoken law to turn down as many minorities (read: black and hispanic) for loans and when it comes to promotions, forget about it if you're a woman or a minority. After seeing for myself who the people were in the higher positions (all white males), I became an ardent believer of the "glass-ceiling."

I'll be Machievelian (sp ??? ) about it and take the shortest distance from point A to point B if it is there. I'm not here to worry about the next guy down the line.

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I have to step in here to lighten the load on this subject and your statement stirred a kinda funny memory for me.  The week of the 2001 Baseball All Star game in Seattle a group of young Japanese-American students were crossing the street against the light downtown Seattle (Never- EVER jaywalk in this town!) and a police cruiser was going past just as they started.  The cop went on the lound hailer telling them to return to the curb. The group ignored him and contineud on, some also played like they coudn't understand him.  That weekend had a lot of Japenese visiting for the All-Star game- GO ICHIRO!!!  The cop got out of the car and detained the group to assess and address the situation. No one was arrested or cuffed.
Funny thing was that it was played up by the students and later the media as the cop was "racially profiling", the Chief of police apologized to the community for it as well and of course lost the support of the police union becasue of that.  
My question- What was the results of this cops "profiling"?  
His kid lost out on a spelling bee or science project cause of these trouble making well dressed upper middle class Japanese-American youth?  That maybe they blew the grading curve on the biology exam he once had to take or was refused a loan by an asian loan officer at the local bank?
I thought it funny anyway, and yes many asians do have it better than blacks or hispanics when it comes to race.  

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I'm sorry, but "reverse discrimination" is not a crock of excrement.  Why is it that if a group of whites refuses to accept a minority member, it is racism, but if a group of minorities refuses to accept a white member, it's not?  Or, when a less qualified minority is chosen over a white for a job or admission to college, etc?  Or when a woman is chosen over a man?  Or when a student is denied a scholarship because he/she is white?  When I went to college, the roommate I was originally assigned requested a room change because she "didn't want to live with no white girl." (and yes, that is an exact quote.  I overheard her conversation.)  Was I discriminated against?  

I personally don't agree with nepotism (which is why Georgie got into Yale and you didn't) but, as was stated before, it is a reality in life.  Do you honestly think Jesse Jackson Jr. would be where he is today without his daddy's support and name recognition?

Oh, and Rice and TB, it's Machiavellian ;)
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You go girl!
Ooops, I mean, You are absolutely correct. ;)

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You go girl!
Ooops, I mean, You are absolutely correct. ;)
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What she said!!

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What she said!!


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Word to ya' mutha'.

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Because of the idiots in the past and now (The KKK) and all the moronic white-supremist groups...this is the mess called affirmative action.  When they bid on the Denver International Airport job a minority group was chosen...I have no problem with that....the problem I have is that the 2 other crews had more experience and a great resume...it was a forced decision because of afirmative action.  I say let people go on thier own merit no matter the race....equality should be for all. A few years ago at work, the chef was caught stealing food...when my boss threatened to fire him he threatened a lawsuit using discrimination as his defense....THAT is what pisses me off ::)
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I agree.  I think that discrimination is wrong, no matter what it is based on.  I have friends who are all different races, religions, etc.  I don't think of them as my "Mexican friend" or my "Mormon friend."  They are all just friends.

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I agree.  I think that discrimination is wrong, no matter what it is based on.  I have friends who are all different races, religions, etc.  I don't think of them as my "Mexican friend" or my "Mormon friend."  They are all just friends.
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It is a travesty.  My husband has had people tell him the only reason he got where he is today is because he's a "Mexican".  Why?  Because the majority of fighters are either Latinos or black.  Well, for one, he's only 1/2 Mexican, and two, he earned his titles, he has worked his @ss off since he was 12 years old to get to where he is today.  Just because you are Mexican doesn't mean you can be a pro-fighter.  That would be like saying just because someone is white they qualify to be a pro-golfer. ::)   >:(

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It is a travesty.  My husband has had people tell him the only reason he got where he is today is because he's a "Mexican".  Why?  Because the majority of fighters are either Latinos or black.  Well, for one, he's only 1/2 Mexican, and two, he earned his titles, he has worked his @ss off since he was 12 years old to get to where he is today.  Just because you are Mexican doesn't mean you can be a pro-fighter.  That would be like saying just because someone is white they qualify to be a pro-golfer. ::)   >:(
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Someone's gotta say it, might as well be me...
Tiger's not technically white.

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Someone's gotta say it, might as well be me...
Tiger's not technically white.
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Well, no, he's not white...he's just another one of my Asian brethren.

:D

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Well, no, he's not white...he's just another one of my Asian brethren.

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You win!  You're a bigger smart @ss than me!   ;) LOL!

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Well, no, he's not white...he's just another one of my Asian brethren.

:D
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Along with Yao, and Ichiro, and... well, what's the name of that dude the Yankees signed?

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Someone's gotta say it, might as well be me...
Tiger's not technically white.
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And, Vijay Singh's not even close!

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If you still have doubts about the impact of racism (and sexism) in the U.S., check out thae latest Cenusus Dept stats on income distribution correlated to education.  White males at all educational levels make more than every other group.  How is that color blind?  And you women?  Doesn't that p*** you off?
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Ahh!  I read what your saying hear Don Carlos, yes it's true-
White men pay more taxes! ;)

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Ahh!  I read what your saying hear Don Carlos, yes it's true-
White men pay more taxes! ;)
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Sure they do, but that's not the question.  The question is, why do they make more money than blacks, women, and hispanics with equal education?  They pay more taxes BECAUSE they make more money.  Again, the question is why, if not the ingrained racism of this society?  I have no problem paying my fair share of taxes (although Mr. Bush's tax plan isn't interested in that) as long as I get  the same consideration as my "white" friends in getting the income to do so.

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Sure they do, but that's not the question.  The question is, why do they make more money than blacks, women, and hispanics with equal education?  They pay more taxes BECAUSE they make more money.  Again, the question is why, if not the ingrained racism of this society?  I have no problem paying my fair share of taxes (although Mr. Bush's tax plan isn't interested in that) as long as I get  the same consideration as my "white" friends in getting the income to do so.
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That was a fecetious statement DC.  See, by me-  a white male-reading in to your statement that we bear a greater tax burden and completely ignoring the clearer statement that equality in the workplace has not been accomplished is a wonderful example of how blind us white males are. :D

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That was a fecetious statement DC.  See, by me-  a white male-reading in to your statement that we bear a greater tax burden and completely ignoring the clearer statement that equality in the workplace has not been accomplished is a wonderful example of how blind us white males are. :D
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I'm sorry RB, mayby I'm a bit dense but I really don't get where you're coming from.  White males pay more taxes becuse they make more money - yup.  equality in the workplace has not been achieved - yup.  I don't blame the white male workers for this - if that's what you are implying.  Wew all go for ourselves in the workplace, and hope the results are based on our ability, as it should be. ;D  Beyond that, I'm confused ???

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That was a fecetious statement DC.
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Not meaning to be excessively pedantic in hunting down typos, but spelt correctly, the word "facetious" is one of only two words in English which uses all five vowels in alphabetical order.  Isn't that interesting?

Phil

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Not meaning to be excessively pedantic in hunting down typos, but spelt correctly, the word "facetious" is one of only two words in English which uses all five vowels in alphabetical order.  Isn't that interesting?

Phil
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What's the other one?  http://www.clicksmilie.de/sammlung/cool/cool-smiley-011.gif

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What's the other one?  http://www.clicksmilie.de/sammlung/cool/cool-smiley-011.gif
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abstemious
Marked by restraint especially in the consumption of food or alcohol
and arsenious
of, relating to, or containing arsenic especially when trivalent
;D

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Doesn't he host the new Star Search?

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Doesn't he host the new Star Search?
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Nah, he's the manager of Arsenal FC  :D

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Nah, he's the manager of Arsenal FC  :D
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I thought he was a dark skinned hispanic (gringos would call him black - my abuela (grandmother) would call him "negrito" who hosted a late night talk show on ABC?

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abstemious
Marked by restraint especially in the consumption of food or alcohol
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That was the one I was thinking of

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and arsenious
of, relating to, or containing arsenic especially when trivalent
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I was taught As(III) was "arsenous" rather than "arsenious", though I notice that although the on-line dictionary shows both, the latter is more commonplace.  Must be the American usage of the word ;-)

Phil

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I was taught As(III) was "arsenous" rather than "arsenious", though I notice that although the on-line dictionary shows both, the latter is more commonplace.  Must be the American usage of the word ;-)
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Well, I have to say that I've never heard the word used or had any use for it myself  ;D
I suppose Americans may use it more w.r.t. their water supply  :P

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karen !

You mean all this time when I have wondered why you guys don't pronounce the final 'I' in Aluminium is because you omit it when spelling it also ?   ???  Tell me true !  :D

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karen !

You mean all this time when I have wondered why you guys don't pronounce the final 'I' in Aluminium is because you omit it when spelling it also ?   ???  Tell me true !  :D
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...I think you'll find that Karen is from this side of the Atlantic, Fuss

Phil
PS Isn't arsenic what you get when you catch your backside on barbed wire?