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I really think Eminem's lyrics are not that shocking. Go into any genre of music and I can almost guarantee you that there is somebody whose lyrics are cruder than Em's. Other rappers, black rappers, catch little or no flak for their stories of gang life and gang violence.

I really want to know: Why is Eminem so different? I think I know. He's white. Plain and simple. If he were black, no one would care but because he's white we are all shocked and horrified. Eminem sang about killing his wife. C-Murder wrote about shooting a "ho" and "f***ing her corpse".

I might be wrong, so why do you think Eminem gets trashed so much?
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I trash him 'cause he sucks and he can't sing and he can't compose diddly and he can't play any instruments and his whiny voice is grating and he is obnoxious and...

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Other rappers, black rappers, catch little or no flak for their stories of gang life and gang violence.


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Apparently you are unaware of the controversy that surrounded songs like "Cop Killer", "Me So Horny", and "By The Time I Get To Arizona".

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Apparently you are unaware of the controversy that surrounded songs like "Cop Killer", "Me So Horny", and "By The Time I Get To Arizona".
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And "F*** The Police".

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White rappers are always famous.

The Beastie Boys, Vannilla Ice, House of Pain, Eminem....they are always more famous and in the mainstream then Black rappers.
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Kinda like white athletes these days ;)

"Holy crap!  Brent Barry can dunk!"

;D

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I really think Eminem's lyrics are not that shocking. Go into any genre of music and I can almost guarantee you that there is somebody whose lyrics are cruder than Em's. Other rappers, black rappers, catch little or no flak for their stories of gang life and gang violence.

I really want to know: Why is Eminem so different? I think I know. He's white. Plain and simple. If he were black, no one would care but because he's white we are all shocked and horrified. Eminem sang about killing his wife. C-Murder wrote about shooting a "ho" and "f***ing her corpse".
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Yeah, there are rappers/rockers with way more terrifying lyrics than Eminem:

Mad Insanity
Mars (from Mad Insanity)
Necro
Brother Lynch Hung
Esham
GG Allin

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White rappers are always famous.

The Beastie Boys, Vannilla Ice, House of Pain, Eminem....they are always more famous and in the mainstream then Black rappers.
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you gotting be joking?  the beasties?  LOL  Vanilla Ice?  LMAO.  House of Pain?  ok they had one good song.  the Beasties were at the time trying to bring the rock/rap mix into the generation along with Run DMC.  they were basically on the same record label.  the beasties still to this day have some good music and is still played every one in a while.  as for vanilla ice, he was a one hit wonder with Ice Ice Baby.  yeah people laugh at that today.  and house of pain, well they're has beens.  as for eminem he's been on the hip hop scene since like 1996.  the man got straight up skills.  and what about Bubba Sparxxx?  does anybody remember the song "Ugly"?  yeah thats a tight song and the album is ok, but have you heard from him lately?  nope!  my point is is not a black and white thing, it's whether you have the skill or not.  

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you gotting be joking?  the beasties?  LOL  Vanilla Ice?  LMAO.  House of Pain?  ok they had one good song.  End Quote

Beastie Boys were not "one-hit wonders".

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vanilla ice, he was a one hit wonder with Ice Ice Baby.  yeah people laugh at that today.  End Quote

Right, but when Vanilla Ice hit the scene, there was also controversy about him such as the fact that he lied about his upbringing, beat his girlfriend, etc., just not too the extreme of Eminem.

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as for eminem he's been on the hip hop scene since like 1996.  the man got straight up skills.    
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But he wasn't in the "mainstream" in 1996.  ::)  And as for his skills, if I had Dr. Dre, and Snoop up my butt 24/7, I'd have some "skeels" too. Funny how he wasn't popular until Dre took him under his wing.  Other rappers to it all the time, just that Dre picked a white boy this time & made him a star.

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Beastie Boys were not "one-hit wonders".
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I never said theywere.

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Who gives a dang about a persons upbringing.

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But he wasn't in the "mainstream" in 1996.  ::)  And as for his skills, if I had Dr. Dre, and Snoop up my butt 24/7, I'd have some "skeels" too. Funny how he wasn't popular until Dre took him under his wing.  Other rappers to it all the time, just that Dre picked a white boy this time & made him a star.
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That's because no one knew him back during that time, he was just getting started.  The man had skills before he was with dre and snoop.  I take it you never heard his album titled "Infinite".  It was released back in '96 and it's really good lyrically.  He had ro switch his style because people said he sounded like Nas.  And as for Dre signing him,  it wasn't because he was white.  He heard Em and had to meet up with him.  When Dre seen he was white, he was quite shocked. Face it, as time progressed he got better.  I heard it in his music.

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Apparantly alot of people cared about that fact that Vanilla Ice lied about "growing up in the hood" in his interviews & in some of his songs, when in fact he grew up in an upper class neighborhood.  He said the reason he lied, was because he thought that was the only way the rap industry would take him seriously.  Talk about stereotyping! :-/

I also feel that the only reason Eminem sings about the cr@p he does, is for the shock value of it.  I mean, what a way to get in the spotlight....rap about beating your wife, an alcoholic mother, etc.  of course that's going to cause controversy, why do you think he did it?  Add the fact that he is a white boy, that's even MORE controversial.  Walk around with an angry face all the time like your pissed off at the world and start fights with Moby (of all people) of course people are going to buy into it eventually.  

I will say that I haven't seen 8 Mile yet, and I heard that he was a great actor in that.  hmmmm...must be hard to "act" out similar events in your life.   ::)

And as far as the quote about The Beastie Boys, you responded to Ian's post about The Beastie's being more mainstream, your reponse was, "you gotting be joking?  the beasties?".  OK, so I misunderstood you saying that they had "one hit", although are you trying to say that they are NOT mainstream?  I don't know about where you live, but I hear them all the time here.  "License to Ill" is one of the biggest selling rap records of all time.  "Paul's Boutique" & "Ill Communication" both went platinum.  That seems a little "mainstream" to me.  Not only that, MTV was saturated with their videos in the 90's.  So please let me know what you meant by that statement.  I seem to be a bit confused.  :P

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BTW, just a little sample for princessofpop:

Ayo, my pen and paper cause a chain reaction
To get your brain relaxin, a zany actin maniac in action
A brainiac in fact son, you mainly lack attraction
You look insanely wack when just a fraction of my tracks run
My rhyming skills got you climbing hills
I travel through your mind into your spine like siren drills
I'm sliming grills of roaches, with spray that disinfects
And twisting necks of rappers 'til their spinal column disconnects
Put this in decks and check the monologue, turn your system up
Twist 'em up, and indulge in the marijuana smog
This is the season for noise pollution contamination
Examination of more cartoons than animation
My lamination of narration
Hits the snare and bass in a track for duck rapper interrogation
When I declare invasion, there ain't no time to be staring, gazing
I turn the stage into a barren wasteland...
I'm Infinite

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What is that?  

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I will say that I haven't seen 8 Mile yet, and I heard that he was a great actor in that.  hmmmm...must be hard to "act" out similar events in your life.   ::)
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I did hear Eminem say in an interview, "Uh, yeah, it was a quite a challenge to play a character...like myself..."  8)

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Ayo, my pen and paper cause a chain reaction
To get your brain relaxin, a zany actin maniac in action
A brainiac in fact son, you mainly lack attraction
You look insanely wack when just a fraction of my tracks run
My rhyming skills got you climbing hills
I travel through your mind into your spine like siren drills
I'm sliming grills of roaches, with spray that disinfects
And twisting necks of rappers 'til their spinal column disconnects
Put this in decks and check the monologue, turn your system up
Twist 'em up, and indulge in the marijuana smog
This is the season for noise pollution contamination
Examination of more cartoons than animation
My lamination of narration
Hits the snare and bass in a track for duck rapper interrogation
When I declare invasion, there ain't no time to be staring, gazing
I turn the stage into a barren wasteland...
I'm Infinite

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Yeah, but can he top this?

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

ask a fish head any thing you want to,
it wont answer, IT CANT TALK.

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

i took a fish head out to see a movie,
didn't have to pay to get it in!

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

And what kind of word is 'Ayo,' anyway?  ???

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I don't think shock value is a bad thing either. There's in place in the world for circus freaks like Eminem.
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I don't think it's necessarily bad either, shoot, I listen to Howard Stern every morning.  ::)  I was just saying that his lyrics are "shocking" therefore, people wanna listen to it.  I mean, haven't we heard enough about his mom & his wife & his anger at the world?   :P

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Yeah, but can he top this?

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

ask a fish head any thing you want to,
it wont answer, IT CANT TALK.

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

i took a fish head out to see a movie,
didn't have to pay to get it in!

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

And what kind of word is 'Ayo,' anyway?  ???
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LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Now that's what I call some talent!  

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8) Is it because his ex-wife is also named "Kimberly" ??? :) :D ;D


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Hot dang!  Tarzan Boy is playing with fire!  :D

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Hot dang!  Tarzan Boy is playing with fire!  :D
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Vincent Vega: "I must say, 'When you play with fire, you get burned'" 8)

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8) Is it because his ex-wife is also named "Kimberly" ??? :) :D ;D


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:o :o :o :o  

you funny guy, you Tarzan Boy!  do you swing from trees too?  ;D

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Baa, baa black sheep,
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir,
Three bags full.
One for my master,
One for my dame,
But none for the little boy,
Who cries in the lane.

And I have plenty more where that came from  >:(

You steppin'?  You better axe somebody boy!
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Oh man ;D  That amuses me for reasons I cannot comprehend...hee hee...you should see the image in my head of Mother Goose with leather chaps and a biker helmet packing heat ;D  BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

;D :D 8)

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:o :o :o :o  

you funny guy, you Tarzan Boy!  do you swing from trees too?  ;D
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Um, yeah, I suppose I could... swing.

Does being born in the year of the monkey have anything to do with that ???

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Baa, baa black sheep,
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir,
Three bags full.
One for my master,
One for my dame,
But none for the little boy,
Who cries in the lane.

And I have plenty more where that came from  

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You down with Mutha G?  Yeah you know me!!!  8)

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Um, yeah, I suppose I could... swing.

Does being born in the year of the monkey have anything to do with that ???
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Well I was born in the year of the "Cock" (that Rooster to you  ;)), so what does that make me?  ;D

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fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

ask a fish head any thing you want to,
it wont answer, IT CANT TALK.

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*

i took a fish head out to see a movie,
didn't have to pay to get it in!

fish heads, fish heads, rolly, polly fish heads
fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, *yum!*End Quote

I dunno.  You definitely have potential, but this... it's a little too emo for me.

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Well I was born in the year of the "Cock" (that's Rooster to you  ;)), so what does that make me?  ;D
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No way :D !

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Man, she got skillz out the wazoo 8)

she has skillz out the wazoo  


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Can anyone tell me what exactly is a "wazoo"?  ::)

Is it like a "kazoo" but with more of a "wa-wa" sound?  ???

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Can anyone tell me what exactly is a "wazoo"?  ::)

Is it like a "kazoo" but with more of a "wa-wa" sound?  ???
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wazoo, wazzoo n. anus. Used as in being "up to wazoo" in something, i.e. metaphorically deeply involved as in "Up to the wazoo in the drug scene", or literally, as in "The basement had cockroaches up the wazoo." or "The pipe was leaking out the wazoo." The contributor heard this term in the 1980's in Brooklyn, when I worked for a real estate developer. He thinks it may be contractor slang, but has been around and in general use for a long time. At least back to the turn of the century.

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wazoo, wazzoo n. anus. Used as in being "up to wazoo" in something, i.e. metaphorically deeply involved as in "Up to the wazoo in the drug scene", or literally, as in "The basement had cockroaches up the wazoo." or "The pipe was leaking out the wazoo." The contributor heard this term in the 1980's in Brooklyn, when I worked for a real estate developer. He thinks it may be contractor slang, but has been around and in general use for a long time. At least back to the turn of the century.


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OK, so it has nothing to do with one of these?

http://www.flicklives.com/Music/kazoo.jpg

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You say "shock value" like it's a bad thing.  He may rap for the shock value.  I don't care.  I find it compelling, I think he's hilarious, I think he has skills out the wazoo (Dre or Snoop be damned, the boy got rhymes and all his peers will tell you so).  And it's not like he has no reason to be that angry, at least at the start of his career, so if he wants to exploit his sh*tty upbringing, let him.  Lots of artists, from Jay-Z to Ozzy Osbourne to Merle Haggard have done it.  

By the way, Sag, those lyrics... ugh.  I think that shows pretty well why no one was listening to Eminem in 1996.
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People were listening,  just not every knew who he was.  Like I said during that time, people mentioned he sounded like Nas and he wanted to find his own sound.  In fact, I remember the radio station in Detroit was playing one of his songs, of course, I didn't know who it was.  It was back in like '97, I think right before he came out.  In fact, that happens to be one of my favorite songs on his first album along with 313, Tonite, Maxine, Open Mic, Jealousy Woes, and Backstabber.

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People were listening,  just not every knew who he was.  Like I said during that time, people mentioned he sounded like Nas and he wanted to find his own sound.  In fact, I remember the radio station in Detroit was playing one of his songs, of course, I didn't know who it was.  It was back in like '97, I think right before he came out.  In fact, that happens to be one of my favorite songs on his first album along with 313, Tonite, Maxine, Open Mic, Jealousy Woes, and Backstabber.
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Of course they were playing his music in Detroit he's from there  ::)  But he wasn't being played in any other city back then.  I live in DC, and we have a station here that plays "Go-Go" music 24/7, you don't hear that music anywhere else (except maybe NYC) because it originated here.  All the Go-Go bands are FROM here.

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Go... Go music ??? Wazzat ???
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See! :D  If you lived in DC or the surrounding areas you would know  ;)

::) Google or dl "Chuck Brown & the Soul Searchers"...and you will see what "go-go" music is.

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::) Google or dl "Chuck Brown & the Soul Searchers"...and you will see what "go-go" music is.
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"....GIMMETHEBRIDGEYALLGIMMEGIMMETHEBRIDGEYALL!..."  8)

I don't know about you, but I feel like bustin' loose... ;) 8) :D

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See! :D  If you lived in DC or the surrounding areas you would know  ;)

::) Google or dl "Chuck Brown & the Soul Searchers"...and you will see what "go-go" music is.
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Wow, go-go music, sounds like fun!  And if it's like the post before this, no thank you.  Sounds pretty gay anyways, same for the name.

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Wow, go-go music, sounds like fun!  And if it's like the post before this, no thank you.  Sounds pretty gay anyways, same for the name.
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Yeah okay cool guy.  8)  Sounds "gay" you said?  ::)

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Yeah okay cool guy.  8)  Sounds "gay" you said?  ::)
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Yeah, I wanna be like everyone else.  Not giving something a chance.

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Yeah, I wanna be like everyone else.  Not giving something a chance.
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What are you talking about?  

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Ya know what, I'm through.  Apparently you don't understand my sarcasism.  Let's just face it, Eminem has skills.  Same goes for my man Kid Rock.  They both can entertain a crowd and some major skills.
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It's all good, nuthin' wrong with a little debate now & then  ;)

And as for Kid Rock........... ;D  I am joking, I am a HUGE fan of his.  ;)

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Wow, go-go music, sounds like fun!  And if it's like the post before this, no thank you.  Sounds pretty gay anyways, same for the name.
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Whoa...then by association, I guess most cRAP music would be gay, as go-go has been rooted there as well....

What the hey...ALL MUSIC IS GAY!

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Whoa...then by association, I guess most cRAP music would be gay, as go-go has been rooted there as well....

What the hey...ALL MUSIC IS GAY!
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Hey, I like the music they play in "Gay" clubs!  :D

Whoo whoo - beep beep!

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Hey, I like the music they play in "Gay" clubs!  :D

Whoo whoo - beep beep!
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Right on girl!  Ooh, is your avatar for sale?  :D  MERCY!  :o

Shagnasty, I think you better wake up and smell the coffee, 'cuz you ain't the tea!  Take your little slim shady kid sock on outta here and leave your money on the table...

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Right on girl!  Ooh, is your avatar for sale?  :D  MERCY!  :o

Shagnasty, I think you better wake up and smell the coffee, 'cuz you ain't the tea!  Take your little slim shady kid sock on outta here and leave your money on the table...
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Now that's not nice ::)

Sag may be a bit harsh but he's entitled to his opinion.  

I don't like rap that much, btw...let the mudslinging begin anew!  8)

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Right on girl!  Ooh, is your avatar for sale?  :D  MERCY!  :o

Shagnasty, I think you better wake up and smell the coffee, 'cuz you ain't the tea!  Take your little slim shady kid sock on outta here and leave your money on the table...
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OMG!   ;D  Now that's some funny sh!t!

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Yeah, I wanna be like everyone else.  Not giving something a chance.
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Give what a chance? Fast, whiny talking and jerky beats? Now THAT's gay.

So is the rest of today's c-rap. It's not just eminem.

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Right-On, Bro!

Gay = Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room. Given to social pleasures.

So...

Yeah, Id definitely say so.  ;D 8)

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Hey, come on now.  I've given your favorite band a chance -- several chances in fact -- to change my mind about them.

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The Smiths may not be "gay," but they sure are gay.  Or at least Morrissey is.  Allegedly.
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I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) that Morrissey claims to be "celibate" not "gay".   :-/

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The Smiths may not be "gay," but they sure are gay.  Or at least Morrissey is.  Allegedly.


Hey, come on now.  I've given your favorite band a chance -- several chances in fact -- to change my mind about them.
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Hehehe.

Well, I like Ben Folds, but I just can't get into Eminem. I like the majority of your music choices, except for Eminem and some of the rap stuff. I actually pulled out his latest album out (hehe, my friend bought those for me, okay?!) to hear it again yesterday and I still don't hear what's going on, but, then, people say the same thing about Throbbing Gristle and NON, so maybe it's a matter of tuning my hearing to that mode of sound.

Eminem himself and his lyrics I don't find offensive or shocking at all (and he is one good-looking "bad-boy," so I can see how females can buy into his music even if it's misogynistic and homophobic), so I'm only going by how he sounds. Lyricwise, the dude can rhyme up a scheme like nobody else can. That's his skill right there. That's why he's Eminem and we're discussing him right now. Well, that and the fact that other people find his lyrics offensive and shocking...

I don't know, but I like the old stuff so much better. Skills or not, I still crank out Tone-Loc, Grandmaster Flash, Digital Underground, and it sounds so much catchier. The Stereo MCs weren't exactly Rap, but, man, it makes me wish they were.

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I still crank out Tone-Loc, Grandmaster Flash, Digital Underground, and it sounds so much catchier. The Stereo MCs weren't exactly Rap, but, man, it makes me wish they were.
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;D Funny you mention "old-school" rap just as I slip in my old "L.L. Cool Lips" CD!  8)

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I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) that Morrissey claims to be "celibate" not "gay".   :-/
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He's said many things on that, but all evasive answers. He is very private on that account. The only girlfriend that I've ever heard he's had was the lead singer of Luddus (sp?) back in the early 80s. I think he's gay and may be even a reason why The Smiths broke up in the first place. Their brief story just smacks of Culture Club. I mean, come on, what does the song "I Won't Share You" really mean and who is it directed towards? I don't know, but some can claim artistic freedom all they want - sometimes artists use personal life references as inspiration for their work...

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Right-On, Bro!

Gay = Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room. Given to social pleasures.

So...

Yeah, Id definitely say so.  ;D 8)
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Would that include death metal, gangsta rap, white-supremecist music, and sad songs?

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Would that include death metal, gangsta rap, white-supremecist music, and sad songs?
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LOL!  ;D

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Would that include death metal, gangsta rap, white-supremecist music, and sad songs?
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OOH!  :o  You know it's ALL gay, sugar.   I like yo' name, honey.  Sounds NAS-tay!   ;) :-*

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OOH!  :o  You know it's ALL gay, sugar.   I like yo' name, honey.  Sounds NAS-tay!   ;) :-*
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LMAO!!!!!!!! ;D

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OOH!  :o  You know it's ALL gay, sugar.   I like yo' name, honey.  Sounds NAS-tay!   ;) :-*
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I think Ms. Pauline needs a thread of her own!  That way I could laugh alllll daaaay long!  ;D

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I think Ms. Pauline needs a thread of her own!  That way I could laugh alllll daaaay long!  ;D
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Honey, I like yo' way of thinkin'.  Shame about your cutie pie in your avatar.  :-/

Girl, I don't think there's enough room on this board for TWO princesses...So just keep the throne and throw me the bone.  WOOH!  :o

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Girl, I don't think there's enough room on this board for TWO princesses...So just keep the throne and throw me the bone.  WOOH!  :o
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I didn't really see you as the "Princess" type......more like a "Queen"!  :D

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I didn't really see you as the "Princess" type......more like a "Queen"!  :D
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Queen of the best little wh*rehouse in Texas :D  You're gonna have to give me your business card, Pauline ;)

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I think Ms. Pauline needs a thread of her own!  That way I could laugh alllll daaaay long!  ;D
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I have to agree with you PoP!  :D ;D

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Queen of the best little wh*rehouse in Texas :D  You're gonna have to give me your business card, Pauline ;)
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Okay, honey.  I'll call you if it's an Emergency... ::)

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Okay, honey.  I'll call you if it's an Emergency... ::)
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Scooooooooooore... 8)

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I saw this comin'....

SmartAlec.   ;) 8)

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OOH!  :o  You know it's ALL gay, sugar.   I like yo' name, honey.  Sounds NAS-tay!   ;) :-*
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Sweet Pussy Pauline,

Put the needle on the record.  ;) 8)

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Dang !  ???

This is what happens when you start reading backwards from Page 5 of a thread, I'm foncused ! :o
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Do you Aussie's read books from back to front?  I mean, I know your toilets flush the opposite way then ours and all........ ::)

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Controversy sells.  Eminem thrives on controversy.  It's all about ticking off mainstream America so you can become famous and sell lots of albums.
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Plus, it doesn't hurt to have Dr. Dre's production team backing you. Any up-and-comer would be able to do just as good...

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Plus, it doesn't hurt to have Dr. Dre's production team backing you. Any up-and-comer would be able to do just as good...
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I dunno, I dislike a lot of Dr. Dre's latter-day production stuff, and especially the stuff he's done for Eminem.  It's monotonous.  Eminem does better when he produces himself, in my opinion.

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Plus, it doesn't hurt to have Dr. Dre's production team backing you. Any up-and-comer would be able to do just as good...
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I totally agree with you TB.  And I also think that because Dre's team found a troubled white boy made him even MORE famous. :-/