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Subject: Do The Actors know?
IMO, when an actor gets involved in a project they don't have any idea whether or not the movie is going to be any good.
There are so many other people involved in making a movie that it can turn out to be real crap.
Some movies that have absolute nobody's in them turn out to be great movies.
Other movies that are packed with big name stars absolutely suck!
And some actors that I saw years ago and thought were going to be big name legends in the movie industry made a few lousy movies and virtually disappeared.
For example:
Christopher Walken - After The Deer Hunter and The Dead Zone I was really impressed with him. I thought he'd really go places and was excited to see his upcoming stuff. I didn't care for Brainstorm and the only thing he's done since then I thought was any good at all was Suicide Kings.
Willem Dafoe - After Platoon I thought he was going to become a mega superstar. But I haven't seen anything with him in it that I thought was any good since then.
Mark Hamill - After the first Star Wars trilogy I thought the same would happen to him. But the things he's been in since then have been laughable.
Malcolm McDowell - After A Clockwork Orange and Time After Time he did a few things that were painful to watch. Nothing that I thought was any good at all.
Michael Biehn - After the first Terminator and Aliens, he had a small role in The Abyss that was OK. But he's been in some embarrassing stuff.
I really think that luck has a lot more to do with whether or not an actor becomes a legend than anything else.
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Christopher Walken - After The Deer Hunter and The Dead Zone I was really impressed with him. I thought he'd really go places and was excited to see his upcoming stuff. I didn't care for Brainstorm and the only thing he's done since then I thought was any good at all was Suicide Kings.End Quote
I thought he was good in "Touch".
I think you should add Kevin Costner to that list. He was good in Bull Durham and Field Of Dreams, OK in Robin Hood, but IMO everything else he's done since has laid an egg.
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I thought he was good in "Touch".
I think you should add Kevin Costner to that list. He was good in Bull Durham and Field Of Dreams, OK in Robin Hood, but IMO everything else he's done since has laid an egg.
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I haven't seen Touch. I rented a few little known Christopher Walken movies awhile ago just to see if any of them were any good. They were all basically "Christopher Walken stars as a Drug Lord Gangster" types. None of them were any good as far as I was concerned.
You're right about Kevin Costner. I liked Dances With Wolves and there was another show he was in where he plays a thief and con man who kidnaps a little kid and the kid shoots him in the end to keep him from killing this guy who smacked his kid around, but I can't remember the name of it. That was a good one, but most of his stuff I didn't care for at all.
But my main point is, is that it may not be Kevin Costners fault.
People may have come to him with an idea, or he may have had an idea that he thought was good. But by the time the project hit the theatres, after the myriad people that had a say in it got done with it, it sucked.
Subject: Re: Do The Actors know?
Steve Guttenberg?
Is he still around?
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Steve Guttenberg?
Is he still around?
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Who makes Steve Gutenberg...a star?
WE DO!!! WE DO!!!
;D
Subject: Re: Do The Actors know?
GO SEE "CATCH ME IF YOU CAN."
Subject: Re: Do The Actors know?
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I think you should add Kevin Costner to that list. He was good in Bull Durham and Field Of Dreams, OK in Robin Hood, but IMO everything else he's done since has laid an egg.
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I thought he was pretty good in Dragonfly, and The Postman wasn't nearly as bad as the critics made it out to be. Wyatt Earp and Tin Cup were pretty good too, IMO.
Subject: Re: Do The Actors know?
I don't think the actors/actresses have any idea how good or bad the finished product will be.
The script may look good on paper, but by the time it is finished and in the theater, it may not have any similarity to the script the actor agreed to do.
The director may choose really bad camera angles, making a film hard to watch, the costumer may choose ugly-**s or inaprropriate clothing, the special effects may be cheesy, and the co-stars may not be able to act, period.
I think that's why so many major actors and actresses have at least one major flop in their careers, and at least one film in the early part of their career that they wish would stay buried in the past.
"I know it was awful....what can I say...I needed the money...I didn't dare refuse....I didn't know then that anyone would ever actually watch it...I didn't think it was going to be that bad...I was young and inexperienced...LOL!
Subject: Re: Do The Actors know?
Another thing too: Sometimes there are contractual obligations that force an actor into a film they don't want to be in. Also, sometimes films are guaranteed to make big bucks, no matter what the script looks like. Scripts, often times, go through intense rewrites. Patrick Stewart probably jumped on the chance to be in the X-Men movie, even though by all accounts the original version of the script was horrible.
Subject: Re: Do The Actors know?
Why don't the directors and producers know?
I can understand if good actors make a mistake and make a bad movie but I have to wonder about the people making the flicks and some of the actors they choose.
In the 80s Michael Pare was making flicks on a regualar basis, I think by the 90s most people figures out he was awful
Keannu Reeves? C'mon, the guy is a terrible actor, he's been in some entertaining flicks but I argue that they would have been better is someone else had filled the rolls.
Subject: Re: Do The Actors know?
Other one-hit wonders:
Vivica A. Fox (And I went to school with her.) :-OK, maybe Fay Wray ;D