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Subject: Pic IDs, security and a gripe
Ok so the trend is you have to have a pic ID everywhere you work...
I have one with a security chip built in so I can get into my work (and once you get in where I work they are like the Mafia you can't get out..some brother/sisterhood of insurance thing MUhahahahaha!), the thing is, noone looks at your ID or even checks if you have one.
Granted I live in a small town so we all know each other anyway, but really, my pic could say "Barney Flarney" and have a 70 yr old man in it, noone would notice! What is the point of having all of this "security" if noone checks it? I could see our lax way of doing things becoming a HUGE problem in a more populated area...what with all the fruit loops running around and blowing up things.
And we did have a problem recently. Some gal who had a problem with another gal who works here bullied her way into the building with the intent to beat this woman into a new different shape, and even got past the receptionist, was, in fact, headed for her desk.
THIS is security? ??? >:( Why wear these godawful pic ids if they aren't going to be used?
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'tis just a way to cover one's arse, methinks :P
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Along those lines, my state is one of the few that DO NOT have pics on the driver's licence. You can get one if you choose but I choose not to. My driver's licence is just that-it gives me the licence to drive. It it is not my "papers." I do have a pic ID which is that-and ID. It tells who I am, etc. and it is issued by the U.S. Government so therefore it is very valid. I really hate when places want you to show your driver's licence for everything. One time, before I got my licence, I tried to pay for something with a check. They wouldn't let me because I didn't have a driver's licence-but I did have my Government ID. They still wouldn't let me. There are many people in this country who do not drive-so not everyone has a licence. Of course the "security" in this country is getting so bad that we will have to show our "papers" even when we cross state lines.
Sorry, needed to vent.
Cat
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At work our saying is 'If you look the same as your id picture you're too ill to work' !!
To join Cat's gripe it's so annoying that as a tourist the only id America will accept is your passport great I really want to go clubbing with my passport ! NOT.
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Like Cat, I get aggrivated when people insist on seeing my driver's license. I don't drive. I do have an ID, issued by the Registry of Motor Vehicles (which happens to be the agency in my state authorized to issue ID's).
I've gotten into more arguments with people over that because their policy requires a driver's license as ID, and they won't bend. We usually end up having a manager or security cheif called over.
Since I have really thick glasses, if the head honcho gets stubborn I get loud...and ask them what they propose a "legally blind person" shoule use for ID? Are they suggesting blind people be allowed to drive? I couple that with some "accidentally-on-purpose" bumping into stuff....and suddenly they turn their brains back on.
I have other thoughts, but I'm on my way out the door...post more later.
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IMHO all of these gripes are legit. On the other hand, I would strongly oppose any uniform "national" ID, such as I had to carry when I lived in Chile. It was a credit card size photo id. It did come in handy when I tried to go BACK to Chile from vacation in Peru, not realizing that my temp residence visa expired when I left the country, but the possibilities for tracking and invasion of privacy, now a days, are not worth the advantages. Touchy subject though, and I too don't like using my drivers licence as ID.
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Actually, I have often thought about volunteering to have that id that can be injected into your body placed in me, I don't care if the govnmt knows where I am. If they want to check if Shaz is doing her laundry or drinking a coke or boffing the mailman as long as they don't zap me or something. Who cares if they track me? I think it would be cool for the benefit of science.
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Actually, I have often thought about volunteering to have that id that can be injected into your body placed in me, I don't care if the govnmt knows where I am. If they want to check if Shaz is doing her laundry or drinking a coke or boffing the mailman as long as they don't zap me or something. Who cares if they track me? I think it would be cool for the benefit of science.
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AAAAAAHAHAHA!!!
Can you imagine walking around like normal, and then talking into your arm to the FBI agent: "Can you hear me now? Good!"
AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!
;D
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IMHO all of these gripes are legit. On the other hand, I would strongly oppose any uniform "national" ID, such as I had to carry when I lived in Chile. It was a credit card size photo id. It did come in handy when I tried to go BACK to Chile from vacation in Peru, not realizing that my temp residence visa expired when I left the country, but the possibilities for tracking and invasion of privacy, now a days, are not worth the advantages. Touchy subject though, and I too don't like using my drivers licence as ID.
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OK, I gotta do this...
What the heck would be the prblem with a National ID? What advantages would it give the government to "track us" or "invade our privacy" that they don't have now?!
You already have a national ID number, your social security number. You most likely already have a picture ID on file in your state of residence. You really think the National government doesn't have access to those files? Come on, get a grip!
I'm all for a national ID. Let's do it! I'm tired of checking a different ID everytime someone from another state comes into our store and I need to checdk ID. Should I be expected to know what every state's ID card looks like? How do I know Joe Blow's from Delaware is legit when he wants to pay with a check? A national ID, I only have to worry about 1 ID. What disadvantages are there, really? None! There is nothing it can allow the Federal Government to do that they can't ALREADY do.
Heck, sign me up for the ID chip embedded in me, man! Let's do it up like the IBM commercials, tie my credit info to it so I can just walk into a store, grab what I want, walk out and grab a receipt as I go!
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Heck, sign me up for the ID chip embedded in me, man! Let's do it up like the IBM commercials, tie my credit info to it so I can just walk into a store, grab what I want, walk out and grab a receipt as I go!
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HAHAHA, it would be great if they made it so that you can even slide your butt over the UPC scanning doodad so it can deduct the money from your checking account! :D
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Actually, I have often thought about volunteering to have that id that can be injected into your body placed in me, I don't care if the govnmt knows where I am. If they want to check if Shaz is doing her laundry or drinking a coke or boffing the mailman as long as they don't zap me or something. Who cares if they track me? I think it would be cool for the benefit of science.
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If that's your choice, more power to you, go for it. To me, its nobody's business if I boink the (female) letter carrier, the less "Big Brother" intrudes into my personal life, the better I like it. I thought conservatives wanted to "get the government off our backs". To me that means out of my bedroom, check book, telephone records, etc, and I agree with that aspect. So I guess that makes me a conservative. I want it in the Enron and WorldCom board rooms.
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HAHAHA, it would be great if they made it so that you can even slide your butt over the UPC scanning doodad so it can deduct the money from your checking account! :D
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LMFAO!!!!!!! just step over here and sllliiiide ma'am. Thank you.
Awaiting confirmation....sorry could you do it again please? Your butt must be unreadable. ;D
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You all might want to check out Cat's new sig line.
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You all might want to check out Cat's new sig line.
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Essentially I don't care if the government follows me around. I don't care because if they find the laundry habits of Shaz interesting, they need to get lives. Sure I want the govmt out of my pocket book. But I guess since I have nothing to hide I don't care if they know when I go pee.
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Why? Am I supposed to agree with it or something? I don't.
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Why? Am I supposed to agree with it or something? I don't.
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Your "why" suggests that you haven't. You disagree with Benjamin Franklin? Surprising, interesting, scary. How about Jefferson? Do you disagree with him too?
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Your "why" suggests that you haven't. You disagree with Benjamin Franklin? Surprising, interesting, scary. How about Jefferson? Do you disagree with him too?
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I think he means that everyone deserves liberty and safety, no matter if they are willing to give it up or not. It doesn't apply to the topic at hand. I had started a post to gripe about work security and as usual everything is a political harangue. No wonder I stopped coming here...
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Your "why" suggests that you haven't. You disagree with Benjamin Franklin? Surprising, interesting, scary. How about Jefferson? Do you disagree with him too?
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Now I don't necessarily disagree with Ben Franklin but I think the quote in the way you use it is out of context.
This thread was supposed to be another tongue-in-cheek thread. Let's have fun, shall we?
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No, my "why" implied, "Why should we have to go to your suggested reading?" I do not agreee with that comment. Plain and simple. Give me some quotes by Jefferson, I'll tell you which ones I agree or disagree with.
So what if it was said by Benjamin Franklin? Is he a God or something, I shouldn't be able to disagree with what he said? Is he the definitive word on freedom? Does something automatically make him right? Nope. He was a man, same as me. He had his opinions, I have mine. Get used to it.
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BTW Ben had some pretty strange opinions too. He also thought the turkey should be the national bird.
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What are we going to argue about next? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? NO and you know why? Because it would come around to POLITICS somehow...strange how that happens around here lately.
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Are they Republican or Democrat angels? Are they willing to give up essential liberty for temporary safety?
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Are they Republican or Democrat angels? Are they willing to give up essential liberty for temporary safety?
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Who knows, but I tell you one thing, if there were lefties and rightie angels dancing on that pin head, they would probably be killing each other and knocking each other off. ;)
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Heck, sign me up for the ID chip embedded in me, man! Let's do it up like the IBM commercials, tie my credit info to it so I can just walk into a store, grab what I want, walk out and grab a receipt as I go!
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I wouldn't go for the embedded chip (religious reasons), but I would be all for a national ID card. Wouldn't be any different than a State ID.
Cat, your state doesn't require DL pics? That is kind of scary.
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I have an ID.These ID's are just in case you get lost or something.Then they can take you back to wherever you came from.
Howard
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I too am opposed to an implanted security device/ID/money card. But not for religious reasons. I am opposed on the grounds of personal safety.
How do these things work? Batteries? If so how and when are the batteries changed? At the doctor's office? What about people with no health insurance? Will it be done in a government office? If so, what health precautions will there be? I don't want to catch anything nasty from the clerk getting lazy with implements.
What about radiation? What about leaks of other liquids? What if I am allergic to the metallic components?
(Extreme) What if I am in an accident and the arm the implant is in is severed? (Even more extreme) What if there are 50 other people who've been in the same accident and all of us have the same injury?
{I know, I'm reaching with these last two.}
If anything like this ever comes about I want to read the reports of short- and long-term side effects on recipients. I want to know how it affects men, women, children, and Aunt Skeevy.
This is the main reason why I have not gone out and gotten laser eye surgery....there are no reports available of the long term effects on people who have had it...(20-30-50 years or more)
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if you want an example of an extremely pointless ID, at my school, we have credit card sized IDs with our name, picture, and class on them. there's no bar code or magnetic strip, so you can't scan them on anything. i don't really see the point of these chunks of plastic hanging around our necks (detention if you're not wearing it!)...
Subject: Re: Pic IDs, security and a gripe
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I think he means that everyone deserves liberty and safety, no matter if they are willing to give it up or not. It doesn't apply to the topic at hand. I had started a post to gripe about work security and as usual everything is a political harangue. No wonder I stopped coming here...
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Yet you are considering giving the gov't complete access to who you are and what you do. You rail against stupid work security id's yet suggest that you are willing to get an id implant. If this isn't a contradiction, I don't know what is. And you object to what? The fact that there are much broader implications to your firm's "security" id's? I'm sorry Shaz, and I don't mean to be rude, disrespectfull, or argumentative, but it seems to me that you are voicing contradictory opinions, and are unwilling (NOT UNABLE - you are obviously quite intelligent) to see the broader ramifications of the issues that you raise. Is it because it is I who expands from the specific to the general that so disturbs you? I'd really like to know, and since you didn't respond to my IM, I guess I'll ask you publically.
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Now I don't necessarily disagree with Ben Franklin but I think the quote in the way you use it is out of context.
This thread was supposed to be another tongue-in-cheek thread. Let's have fun, shall we?
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I'm sorry, Rice, but I don't think it IS a light thread. Our Constitutional rights are being threatened once again, again in the name of national security, at least IMHO. To paraphras James Madison "The lose of liberty will always be attributed to threats, real or imagined, from outside our boarders". I value my Bill of Rights freedoms and my academic freedom. I will defend those rights for everyone, whether I agree with them or not (80'sRock included - and GWB and co. too). Just "Don't Tread On Me" as the old Rev War flag said. To many people have made to great a sacrifice to preserve those right for us to throw them away for the promise of better security.
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I do not agree with that comment. Plain and simple. Give me some quotes by Jefferson, I'll tell you which ones I agree or disagree with.
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So you do not agree that (and I paraphrase) " those who are willing to give liberty for security deserve neither"? So Big Brother will protect us, all we need do is adore Big Brother.
Ok. Now here's one from Jefferson: "That all men are equal, and they are endowed by there creator with certain unalienable rights, that among those are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men (and women), deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed... "
Agree or disagree? Now we're talking turkey!
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BTW Ben had some pretty strange opinions too. He also thought the turkey should be the national bird.
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Your absolutely right, and a noble bird it is. Especially with cranberry sauce, dressing, candied yams, and rosmary flavored mashed parsnips and potatos ;D
Actually, I have never seen any verification of this, except 1776 (musical or film). But both suggested that he felt the eagle was a nasty, and a European bird.
Urban legend has it that Jefferson wanted the dove.