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I used to love watching WWF on Saturday nights back in the 80s-early 90s.  

But now its just so scripted and its like watching a really badly written soap opera.  I am amazed it still has such a huge following.
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I watched it in the early 80's too. It was that or Dynasty or Dallas, so I picked the least soapy show. But I watched it before the WWF, when they had the Von Ericks. It was okay, but you always knew who was going to win. I think I stopped following wrestling around the time Mike Tyson was getting popular. Boxing became my new interest.

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I think the WWE should concentrate on giving 'character control' to the wrestlers. That way they can do what they wish. The WWE writers are very one dimensional.
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So is the booking committee. ::)

Howard

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HAHA!! ;D

I never thought about it that way.  Wouldn't surprise me though. :D

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I just wish that Vince would stop pushing the old fogeys into matches and start focusing on the younger talent.Nobody wanted to see Hogan and Piper anymore.all washed up old men. >:(

Howard
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its all about ratings.

Think about it: when you think of wrsetling, what do you think of?  Simple:  Hulk Hogan, and guys from his era, like Rowdy Roddy Piper.  And hell, even Vince McMahon himself was from the Hulk Hogan era.

Those guys were the pinnacle of wrestling, and they are icons in the sport.

When you need ratings and viewers, what do ya do?  You bring back old fogies who used to bring in the fans.  I just don't know if people are buying into it anymore.  But judging by the weekly TV raings, I think they are.


Side Note:  I got to give it to good ol' Hulk Hogan, he's the epitome of the phrase "staying power", and is known by virtually everyone.  I mean how could you not like "The Real American" (his original theme song).  For a man that is in serious need of a bra these days, he's truly an American Icon. :)

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its all about ratings.

Think about it: when you think of wrsetling, what do you think of?  Simple:  Hulk Hogan, and guys from his era, like Rowdy Roddy Piper.  And hell, even Vince McMahon himself was from the Hulk Hogan era.

Those guys were the pinnacle of wrestling, and they are icons in the sport.

When you need ratings and viewers, what do ya do?  You bring back old fogies who used to bring in the fans.  I just don't know if people are buying into it anymore.  But judging by the weekly TV raings, I think they are.


Side Note:  I got to give it to good ol' Hulk Hogan, he's the epitome of the phrase "staying power", and is known by virtually everyone.  I mean how could you not like "The Real American" (his original theme song).  For a man that is in serious need of a bra these days, he's truly an American Icon. :)
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Yeah,that true.But,after a while,you would get tired of hearing it Thursday after Thursday.Mr America was part of his gimmick and it just got tiring.

Howard

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Yeah,that true.But,after a while,you would get tired of hearing it Thursday after Thursday.Mr America was part of his gimmick and it just got tiring.

Howard
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yes thats true.  I was just saying that its a standard practice in show-biz.  When the ratings are falling, bring back what used to bring the ratings.  In this case:  Hulk Hogan and a few other fogies.

Bad thing is though, that gimmick only lasts a short while,then they have to go to Plan B.

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I want to ask everyone what are your top five wrestling matches of all time?  :)
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1.Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon at SummerSlam or something like that when they had that ladder match

2. Mankind vs. Undertaker in their first Hell in A Cell match

3. Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H at SummerSlam as HBK's first match back

4. Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart at Wrestlemainia in the Ironman match

5. It wasn't a match but when D-X would imitate the Nation of Domination is just classic

I could go on and on...

I think the reason wrestling has gone down is because there is no variety since Vince bought wcw. that's why every month he has to bring someone back like Piper, HBK, Nash, Sable ,ect. Damn Nash is going gray like he's 60.  

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I guess you're a Shawn Michaels fan, right? Shawn/Razor had two ladder matches. Their famous one at Wrestlemania 10 and at Summerslam '95. Would you believe Bret 'The Hitman' Hart started the ladder match? I think he used the stipulation on his dad's Stampede wrestling organisation. From there, he and Shawn had the first ladder match I believe in 92/93.

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A great choice! The infamous 'King of the Ring' when Mankind fell off the top of the cage! Apparently, the part when the Undertaker choke-slammed Mankind through the cell wasn't planned.

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It was alright, nothing special. Shawn v Mankind at In your house 'Mind games' was much better!

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Everybody seems to like this match, but I found it a very slow affair. It only heated up at the last 15 minutes of the match. I think I was also expecting more pins.

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I think the main reason why wrestling has gone down the pan was because Vince McMahon got himself involved in feuds (around 1998/1999) with Steve Austen. Once he did that, there was no turning back. When wrestlers feud with other wrestlers the prize is for the WWE title, now they are feuding to become commissioners, owners of the federation and heck knows what - Wrestling can not get back to normal once those kind of stakes are put on the table.

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I doubt Vince McMahon will change a money-spinner like 'Wrestlemania'. Besides, how many Superbowls have there been and it's still going?

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I used to be a fan, but haven't really watched in the last few months.  Mainly because I'm sick of Triple H.  I don't find him interesting at all and I think his character is completely boring.  Also, it seems that they'll give another wrestler a push, they'll face HHH, the wrestler loses (of course) and the push seems to stop. (Case and point: RVD)  Anyway, that's my opinion.  ;DEnd Quote

Smackdown is the better deal Kellyhoop. You tend to see more of a balanced card and more decisive match endings.

I totally agree with you regarding Triple H. I can never understand why he gets the exposure - he has an awful monotone voice, no charisma and one expression. RVD is the perfect example of a man getting the push only to be dropped again. If you want to see more RVD Kellyhoop, try to get hold of some ECW DVDs - he was amazing there!

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Smackdown is the better deal Kellyhoop. You tend to see more of a balanced card and more decisive match endings.

I totally agree with you regarding Triple H. I can never understand why he gets the exposure - he has an awful monotone voice, no charisma and one expression. RVD is the perfect example of a man getting the push only to be dropped again. If you want to see more RVD Kellyhoop, try to get hold of some ECW DVDs - he was amazing there!
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When you date The Boss's Daughter,you get all the exposure you want.

Howard

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If that is basically the crux of it, Howard then Vince is not the shrewd businessman I once would give him credit him for.

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I think it's sad that if he brings back Doink The Clown full time the ratings will drop.seeing him wrestle Chris Benoit was just too funny.I never saw a clown get beat up as much as Doink did Thursday Night. ;D :D
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I'm sorry Howard. I didn't watch any telly last Thursday night. You're not telling me Doink was wrestling? If so, I think we can safely say that the time of the end for wrestling is nigh.

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I'm sorry Howard. I didn't watch any telly last Thursday night. You're not telling me Doink was wrestling? If so, I think we can safely say that the time of the end for wrestling is nigh.
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I believe he was.Rhyno was talking about how Chris Benoit was a joke and then comes out Doink.Wrestling shouldn't be funny anymore.Whatever happened to the seriousness these days?

Howard

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I think wrestling should allow you to think in lots of different ways, it should make you laugh, make you annoyed, make you sad and make you joyful - I don't believe WWE is actually doing that for me at the moment. All it gets from me is apathy.  :-/

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speaking of wrestling:  I happened to stumble onto WWE last night and saw that kid (I dont know his name) with only one leg?  Are WWE's ratings that bad that they have to bring out the one-legged wrestlers now?

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I agree totally, 80sRocked. Zack Gowan was wrestling Shannon Moore (I think). I didn't know what to make of it. I find it ironical since Jim Ross often used the phrase 'he's getting beaten like a one legged man in a butt-kicking contest'.

I think Zack Gowan is nothing more than a over-developed 'shill' (this is a term that describes a person that is deliberately placed in the crowd so that the wrestlers can interact with him/her - usually in a negative manner i.e ripping up posters or having slanging matches with them). Initially, Zack was a shill (he interrupted the Roddy Piper/Mr America match after jumping the crowd barriers). But now this is getting a little ridiculous! I believe they are using Zack Gowan's missing leg as a gimmick - for that reason, I don't agree with it.

Besides, it's not clever to pretend that ordinary people are climbing crowd barriers because it implies that anybody can do it and interfere in a match (though it's happened before in a Chris Jericho and an Eddie Guerrero match. Of course, without the same results as Zack's all of a sudden career change to become a wrestler.

I believe the whole plot line smells of desperation. It's a shame.

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Great to see you back on the boards, Mr Crowly.  :)

Quoting:zack gown  was known in czw as  trent acid so he wasent brought in as a shill  mend you   it is a shame that the only gimmik they  chould come up with is to do with his handicap thats just sick  right of the backi End Quote

Now you've taught me something Mr Crowly. I know of CZW and have seen great athletes like Amazing Red and Rick Blade (one of these are on NWA-TNA and I think it's only going to be time before they are introduced to the WWE). Some are 'mankind' style nutters like Lobo and Wifebeater. Did Trent Acid wrestle with two legs in CZW (it might seem like a daft question but you never know in wrestling).

Quoting:hate triple hs guts  simply put  they have the oppujunerty of a life time with the crusert weghts  and  they are waisting valuble money  and  time on losers like  bigshowe a train   chuck billy ect wwe wake up and smell the roses crusers is what we want to say wrestling action  not soap like storylines  and triple hEnd Quote

You've got that right. I can't believe A Train (who has been a loser since about 1998/99) and Big Show (been a loser since 99) have been given the push in Smackdown. I would much rather see Brock Lesnar against Rhyno!

I think the sooner they get rid of HHH the better. Talking of Raw, I saw Shane McMahon giving Kane a smacking. Without the mask, Kane's mystery is lost and so is my interest in him.

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If there is no wrestler integrity, then the sport becomes stagnant and the crowd become apathetic - you know that if he turns face one minute, you don't care 'cause he'll turn heel the next.

Quoting:jhon cena uses the best out of his rap gimmik what i mean is hes  great at it  remember mable god that suckd but cena proves that a rap gimmik can be a good thing  instaed of making youre life hell  (mable gave me nightmares for weeks i honestly beleve that mable was baced on  vanilla ice because he was atroushus  at it)End Quote

The problem with Cena's gimmick (like Honky Tonk Man's) was that it makes the wrestler look like a charicature. The Honky Tonk Man, unlike Cena, relied a lot more on entertaining the crowd. Like him or hate him, he was one of the funniest guys going in the late 80s (with exception to perhaps 'Rowdy' Roddy Piper and 'Ravishing' Rick Rude).

As a footnote, Mable had a stupid name and was awful in whatever he did. I just don't know why the WWF kept him on the roster for so long.

Quoting:as sq matches how the heack do they make wrestling rellistic it just proves  more and more that wrestling wer matches are concernd  is scripeted  take sid justuce (syco sid to everyone who dosent know that)  he was the master of the sq   if the sq boy in ? was to get more affence then so be it its relistic but having one guy  doing all the work whilst the jobber  is just standing there well doser sound rellistic to you  just my point of veiwEnd Quote

It's a fine point of view, Mr Crowly. The squash wrestlers I mentioned put in a certain amount of offence (Rip Rogers gave the late 'Flyin'' Bryan Pillman a hard time, the 1-2-3 Kid was a jobber until he pulled the famous upset on Razor Ramon, The Itallian Stallian was always so close to getting a victory but narrowly missed every time and Barry Horrowitz was a jobber until he entered P-P-Vs for a short period between '95 and '96). Of course, there were some guys that didn't put up an offence and these were pointless (especially Gillberg in the WWF back in 98/99).

I'm not saying that the WWE should have squash matches all the time - especially the ones where big guys kill little ones without any offence (like WCW did in the late eighties/early nineties) just sometimes and I give three good reasons:

1. It gets an audience hyped up for when the main wrestler fights another main wrestler. I have got so angry when bigger wrestlers are throwing about little ones and this makes you want the face to win in a P-P-V even more. When a face beats a jobber, you are given assurance that this man can take on a bigger opponent (IMO).

2. It cuts down on the screw jobs and gives the main wrestler some credibility - showing the difference between a superstar and a normal athlete.

3. The 'jobbers' can be monitored by a scout team so that they can pick out the guys who think can make the grade. Those that put on a convincing performance night after night may go onto bigger things. This adds realism in that you can follow a wrestler's career from jobber to him winning the title at Wrestlemania. In a wrestling world devoted to handing belts over to wrestlers, a man actually fighting for the title may be a well deserved and satisfying novelty.

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The problem with Cena's gimmick (like Honky Tonk Man's) was that it makes the wrestler look like a charicature. The Honky Tonk Man, unlike Cena, relied a lot more on entertaining the crowd. Like him or hate him, he was one of the funniest guys going in the late 80s (with exception to perhaps 'Rowdy' Roddy Piper and 'Ravishing' Rick Rude).

As a footnote, Mable had a stupid name and was awful in whatever he did. I just don't know why the WWF kept him on the roster for so long.


It's a fine point of view, Mr Crowly. The squash wrestlers I mentioned put in a certain amount of offence (Rip Rogers gave the late 'Flyin'' Bryan Pillman a hard time, the 1-2-3 Kid was a jobber until he pulled the famous upset on Razor Ramon, The Itallian Stallian was always so close to getting a victory but narrowly missed every time and Barry Horrowitz was a jobber until he entered P-P-Vs for a short period between '95 and '96). Of course, there were some guys that didn't put up an offence and these were pointless (especially Gillberg in the WWF back in 98/99).

I'm not saying that the WWE should have squash matches all the time - especially the ones where big guys kill little ones without any offence (like WCW did in the late eighties/early nineties) just sometimes and I give three good reasons:

1. It gets an audience hyped up for when the main wrestler fights another main wrestler. I have got so angry when bigger wrestlers are throwing about little ones and this makes you want the face to win in a P-P-V even more. When a face beats a jobber, you are given assurance that this man can take on a bigger opponent (IMO).

2. It cuts down on the screw jobs and gives the main wrestler some credibility - showing the difference between a superstar and a normal athlete.

3. The 'jobbers' can be monitored by a scout team so that they can pick out the guys who think can make the grade. Those that put on a convincing performance night after night may go onto bigger things. This adds realism in that you can follow a wrestler's career from jobber to him winning the title at Wrestlemania. In a wrestling world devoted to handing belts over to wrestlers, a man actually fighting for the title may be a well deserved and satisfying novelty.


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Rosey is also stupider especially as a moronic SuperHero. ::) :P

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Rosey is also stupider especially as a moronic SuperHero. ::) :P
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He's a superhero, now? Wow. The WWE know how to suspend belief don't they?

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He's a superhero, now? Wow. The WWE know how to suspend belief don't they?
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They sure know how to misuse wrestlers. ::)

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They sure know how to misuse wrestlers. ::)
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LOL. A great example of this happened in WCW. The guy known as 'Hugh Morrus' was ranting on about how the writers have screwed his chance of winning a belt because he wasn't taken seriously. So he decided to call himself something more sensible like 'Hugh G Rection' (work it out).  ;)

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LOL. A great example of this happened in WCW. The guy known as 'Hugh Morrus' was ranting on about how the writers have screwed his chance of winning a belt because he wasn't taken seriously. So he decided to call himself something more sensible like 'Hugh G Rection' (work it out).  ;)
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And Bobby Don't forget...Bill DeMott ???

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And Bobby Don't forget...Bill DeMott ???
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Actually, Howard that is his real name.  :)

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Actually, Howard that is his real name.  :)
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Yeah,I know that.I kinda liked his bully gimmick.too bad it just flopped big time.nobody even cared for that gimmick anyhow. ???

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Oh ok.  :)

He had a bully gimmick? The only person I know to have had a 'bully' gimmick was 'Big' Bully Busick around 1991. He debuted between Summerslam 91, by Survivor Series 91 he was dropped.

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I watched WWF many moons ago and it became dire when the real entertainers left - Hulk Hogan, Junkyard Dog, The Heart Foundation, The British Bulldogs.........
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things are not the same anymore,Ozwat.I miss the classic times :(

Howard

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I reckon Rey Misterio Jnr is the closest. I can't see him turning into a heel in the next year or so, regardless of whether he wrestles Ultimo Dragon (which I reckon will be a possibility).

I would hope that if they wrestled, it would have a similar ending to the 'Bret Hart/'Roddy Piper' match at Wrestlemania 8.
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I heard that Ultimo Dragon has been givin' the walking papers.Vince says he's not too happy with him fitting him in the WWF's hardcore style.So he left.Vince is very picky! ::)

Howard

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I heard that Ultimo Dragon has been givin' the walking papers.Vince says he's not too happy with him fitting him in the WWF's hardcore style.So he left.Vince is very picky! ::)
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I reckon Vince is going to regret that. Even in the 'hardcore' ECW, they successfully used Rey Misterio (before he became famous), Super Crazy, Psicosis, Taka Michinoku and Tajiri (who, in my opinion had never looked better presented).

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hell wcw did a better job than vince in using crish right   it starded of great with the classic angle with the rock  but it all went down hill  u know why that is because  vinces son in law  hates jerhcos guts and feelings mutal End Quote

Again, I am no promoter of the now dead ECW, but they did a great job of using Chris Jericho before he entered WCW - and he was a face then!

One highlight was a terrific house-show match with Sabu. I have not seen him have a match like that in both WCW and WWF/E.

Quoting:One problem is that there are too many champions and it seems like the champions hold on to the belts for a short period of time.I like to see the champion hold on to their belt for at least 6 months.End Quote

Triple H had held onto the WWE World title for what seemed to be like forever only to lose it recently to Goldberg.

Quoting:Nowadays its obvious that every pay per view that the belt will change hands.Pay per view is another problem I remember there would be 4 pay per views a year now it seeems like 4 pay per views a week!In my day the wrestlers werent as ripped as the are today but man could they give the best interviews like Dusty Rhodes.LOL!Only the Rock has real interview skills.I could just go on and on on how wrestling just sucks nowadays.
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The P-P-V every month was started by WCW (funded by the inexhaustable Ted Turner). WWF had to keep up with that and so decided to create the 'In Your House' Series which then evolved into Backlash, Armageddon and the like. I prefer Wrestlemania but I am partial to The Royal Rumble (if only the results were less predictable).

Ha ha! Dusty Rhodes was very confident on the mic but the WWF screwed around with his image, making him wear polka dots and the like. In one interview Dusty mentioned that he had no problem with this development but I heard somewhere that this was Vince's way of punishing Rhodes for some misdemeanour or other - don't quote me on that though.

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One of the things I dont miss about the good ol' days of wrestling was Vince McMahon as an announcer and his bias towards the fan favorites.Hes much better as the "evil owner"
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Vince McMahon is on Tv too much now.He was better sitting at the announcer's table back in the early 90's.

Howard

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Macho Pigs wearing tight shorts grabbing each other everywhere...mmmm.. Goldberg has a new move called the "Than-FranThisco Treat"  ::)
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As I said before!

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IF THERE'S ANYTHING I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT WWE IS THE TLC MATCHES ARE CLASSIC MATCHES. THE HARDYZ,EDGE AND CHRISTIAN,AND THE DUDDLEYS WERE AWSOME BUT JUST MAYBE IF THEY GET THE NEW COMMERS IN TEAMS AND ADDED THEM, I WONDER HOW'D THEY DO IN A MATCH WITH VETERANS LIKE THOSE WHO STARTED TLC? ALSO BRING BACK JEFF HE'S THE MOST TALENTED WRESTLER IN HIS DIVISION SINCE SHAWN MICHAELS.
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For me, the best TLC match was at Summerslam 2000. I have never seen so many tables being broken! Plus the classic ending where two people were hanging from the belt attachment - that's great!

Yes - Bring back Jeff Hardy. Give him a decent style, don't degrade him and give him a match against Rey Misterio Jnr.

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Does anybody here like 'The Legend-Killer' Randy Orton? I go to a certain site and they adore him.

I think he is a waste of space for two reasons:

He gets helped out an awful lot in his matches (usually by fellow members of Evolution)

His work-rate is terrible. He doesn't go the extra mile to secure his status.
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Randy Orton is alright.maybe he should turn face or something. ???


Howard