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Subject: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: FOXVOX on 08/14/03 at 03:04 p.m.

http://www.spaceweather.com/

Read, then click on "X-Class"

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Hoeveel on 08/14/03 at 03:18 p.m.

Why do you (in America) call them brownouts?  I never got that.

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: FOXVOX on 08/14/03 at 03:49 p.m.

I don't know the criteria for classification---  I just noticed we got "upgraded" to a BLACKout.  Americans use both terms, though.

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Hoeveel on 08/14/03 at 03:52 p.m.

I may just be being stupid but - if you've got a blackout, how are you using your computer?  :P

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: FOXVOX on 08/14/03 at 03:55 p.m.

LOL.  By "we", I meant "America".  I live in the midwest.  Not affected.

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Hoeveel on 08/14/03 at 03:59 p.m.

Ah OK.  So is it over a lot of the country then?

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: FOXVOX on 08/14/03 at 04:22 p.m.

Most of New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, & S.E. Canada.

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Junior on 08/14/03 at 04:23 p.m.

Northeast, and Canada too.

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Marian on 08/14/03 at 05:15 p.m.


Quoting:
I may just be being stupid but - if you've got a blackout, how are you using your computer?  :P
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:o :o :oIt said on the news that Internet isn't affected;and you  could probably use your laptop.I live in california,BTW,so  I'm not affected directly,except it's on all the network stations.Cheers! ::)

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: CatwomanofV on 08/14/03 at 07:44 p.m.


Quoting:
Why do you (in America) call them brownouts?  I never got that.
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A blackout is when all power is lost. A brownout is when only partial power is lost. The lights are dim and have a "brownish" tint to them-thus, a brownout.


As for this one, NYC deffinately had a blackout. It is very reminiscent of the one in 1965 (don't remember too well) and the one in 1977 (do remember).

This afternoon, I was sitting right here and was in the middle of making a post. First the fan went off and then the computer screen went black. About two seconds later, everything came back on. We didn't know why. DC went outside to see if there were any storms in the area because it wasn't raining here. We knew there must have been a reason why everything went black for a second. It wasn't until about an hour later when I turned on the t.v. when I found out. We were lucky-only a power surge-nothing more.


Cat

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Jimmy_J. on 08/14/03 at 07:48 p.m.

It affected very near where I live, which is not far from NYC, but the power is starting to come back now.

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Hairspray on 08/14/03 at 09:35 p.m.

News update:

Meteorology doesn't explain the blackout. The skies were clear and there was no possibility of a lightning strike occurring in the affected area, as president Bush stated. The blackout is thought to have been caused by "equipment failure".

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: lebeiw15 on 08/14/03 at 09:57 p.m.

I heard that people were trapped on elevators too. :(  Which explains my fear of elevators.


Hope everyone who lost power is safe and gets electricity back soon!

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Mike_Florio on 08/14/03 at 10:07 p.m.

I Survived the blackout, everyone!  It was intense...

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Hairspray on 08/14/03 at 11:07 p.m.

Quoting:
I heard that people were trapped on elevators too. :(  Which explains my fear of elevators.

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Yeah, that must have sucked big time. I felt particularly bad for those who were trapped in the subways too. Think of it, hundreds of people clustered together like sardines in a sardine can; hot, sweaty, some with nowhere to sit comfortably and most in total darkness. I don't even want to think about the children being miserable or the bathroom situation. :'( :P :(

It definitely could have been worse, so I'm glad that was the worst of it. I'm very happy to know things are working themselves out and power is being restored.

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Hairspray on 08/14/03 at 11:09 p.m.


Quoting:
I Survived the blackout, everyone!  It was intense...
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Well, if you want to tell us your story... ;)

By the way, Glad you made it! :)

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Mike_Florio on 08/14/03 at 11:12 p.m.

Quoting:


Well, if you want to tell us your story... ;)

By the way, Glad you made it! :)
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done it already!  Started my own post of an eye-witness account!  ;)

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Hairspray on 08/14/03 at 11:18 p.m.


Quoting:


done it already!  Started my own post of an eye-witness account!  ;)
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Yeah, I replied there too. :)

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Mike_Florio on 08/14/03 at 11:39 p.m.

Quoting:


Yeah, I replied there too. :)
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yep, and I replied also...

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Howard on 08/15/03 at 12:05 a.m.

I was only 3 years old when the last power outage occurred on July 13th,1977.And distinctly what I remember a brownout on September 9th,1985.I wonder what the temperature was on 7/13/77? Does anyone know? I was too young to remember. :(

Howard

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: CatwomanofV on 08/15/03 at 06:30 p.m.


Quoting:
I was only 3 years old when the last power outage occurred on July 13th,1977.And distinctly what I remember a brownout on September 9th,1985.I wonder what the temperature was on 7/13/77? Does anyone know? I was too young to remember. :(

Howard
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I remember the one in 77. I was in Conn. at the time. We were watching a movie on Channel 11 (WPIX out of NYC) when we lost the station. Everyone started cussing because I think the movie had only about 15 minutes left to it. We turn the channel to see if it was the station or our t.v. (the days before cable). The local ABC out of New Haven had a thing that said, "Please stand by." I knew something was going on because all the NY stations were out. We went out and drove along the beach. We could see the lightning over Long Island but we didn't have any rain or anything. I don't remember it being very hot but it was summer. If I remember correctly, it was lightning that cause that one. What got me mad was the girl whose car we were in, when the news came on the radio, I just heard "New York" when she turned the station before I could hear what was going on. We finally did hear a bit later. I am too young to remember the one in 1965 even though I did live through that one too.


Cat

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Secret_Squirrell on 08/16/03 at 11:14 p.m.


Quoting:
http://www.spaceweather.com/

Read, then click on "X-Class"
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I'm in the west and I was at work when I heard about the blackout.  When I heard the extent of it, the first thing I thought of was the extreme geo-magnetic disturbances we've been having lately. (amateur radio astronomer here  :) )

A major auroral storm knocked out several grids in Quebec years ago and I saw the similarities, plus the fact that the American power grid is aging making it vulnerable to collapse.  Although I keep hearing that it was fire at a power station, I haven't heard that confirmed yet, despite it being almost 3 days ago.

Anyway, if I had a power outage like that in my region, I wouldn't be too hard up about it.  While my neighbours would have to go out to their SUV's to listen to a radio and wander around their house with flashlights and candles, I will be enjoying my ice cold beer and watching sattelite TV, having the last laugh.  You see, I have a couple of solar panels on the roof and a big bank of batteries.  I have about 21 days of autonomy.  8)  And they laughed at me when I installed those panels on the roof.  :)

www.homepower.com  if you are interested in this kind of stuff.

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Howard on 08/17/03 at 12:19 a.m.

Would anyone know what songs were being played on July 13th,1977?

Howard

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Secret_Squirrell on 08/18/03 at 00:09 a.m.

Try: http://www.alaskajim.com/charts/yearlysingles/1977.asp

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Howard on 08/18/03 at 06:57 p.m.


Quoting:
Try: http://www.alaskajim.com/charts/yearlysingles/1977.asp

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sorry SS,doesn't work! I kept getting a blank screen with an ad in the corner. :(  

Howard

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: FOXVOX on 08/19/03 at 08:12 p.m.


                     CASH BOX TOP 100 SINGLES
                     Week ending July 16, 1977

TW                                            
 1  DA DOO RON RON
            Shaun Cassidy (Warner/Curb 8365)    
 2  UNDERCOVER ANGEL
                    Alan O’Day (Pacific 001)  
 3  LOOKS LIKE WE MADE IT
                 Barry Manilow (Arista 0244)    
 4  I’M IN YOU
                   Peter Frampton (A&M 1941)    
 5  JET AIRLINER
            Steve Miller Band (Capitol 4424)    
 6  I JUST WANT TO BE YOUR EVERYTHING
                         Andy Gibb (RSO 872)  
 7  MARGARITAVILLE
                   Jimmy Buffett (ABC 12254)    
 8  MY HEART BELONGS TO ME
           Barbra Streisand (Columbia 10555)  
 9  WHATCHA GONNA DO?
                     Pablo Cruise (A&M 1920)    
10  DO YOU WANNA MAKE LOVE
            Peter McCann (20th Century 2335)    
11  (Your Love Has Lifted Me) HIGHER AND
    HIGHER
                     Rita Coolidge (A&M 1922)    
12  KNOWING ME, KNOWING YOU
                        Abba (Atlantic 3387)    
13  YOU MADE ME BELIEVE IN MAGIC
              Bay City Rollers (Arista 0256)
14  IT’S SAD TO BELONG
               England Dan & John Ford Coley
                            (Big Tree 16088)    
15  YOU AND ME
            Alice Cooper (Warner Bros. 8349)  
16  HIGH SCHOOL DANCE
                      Sylvers (Capitol 4405)    
17  BEST OF MY LOVE
                   Emotions (Columbia 10544)  
18  EASY
                    Commodores (Motown 1418)    
19  YOU’RE MY WORLD
                  Helen Reddy (Capitol 4418)    
20  LONELY BOY
                  Andrew Gold (Asylum 45384)    
21  ARIEL
              Dean Friedman (Lifesong 45022)  
22  BARRACUDA
                      Heart (Portrait 70004)  
23  LUCKENBACH, TEXAS (Back To The Basics
    Of Love)
                 Waylon Jennings (RCA 10924)    
24  HANDY MAN
               James Taylor (Columbia 10557)    
25  TELEPHONE MAN
                       Meri Wilson (GRT 127)    
26  GONNA FLY NOW
             Bill Conti (United Artists 940)    
27  BLACK BETTY
                        Ram Jam (Epic 50357)    
28  ANGEL IN YOUR ARMS
                        Hot (Big Tree 16085)    
29  GIVE A LITTLE BIT
                       Supertramp (A&M 1938)    
30  JUST A SONG BEFORE I GO
       Crosby, Stills & Nash (Atlantic 3401)    
31  GOT TO GIVE IT UP (pt. 1)
                   Marvin Gaye (Tamla 54280)  
32  LIFE IN THE FAST LANE
                       Eagles (Asylum 45403)    
33  FEELS LIKE THE FIRST TIME
                   Foreigner (Atlantic 3394)    
34  LOVE’S GROWN DEEP
             Kenny Nolan (20th Century 2331)    
35  DREAMS
           Fleetwood Mac (Warner Bros. 8371)    
36  HEARD IT IN A LOVE SONG
       Marshall Tucker Band (Capricorn 0270)  
37  PEACE OF MIND
                         Boston (Epic 50381)    
38  TELEPHONE LINE
                    Electric Light Orchestra
                       (United Artists 1000)    
39  THE KILLING OF GEORGIE (pts. 1 & 2)
             Rod Stewart (Warner Bros. 8396)    
40  LUCILLE
           Kenny Rogers (United Artists 929)    

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Hairspray on 08/19/03 at 11:30 p.m.


Quoting:

                     CASH BOX TOP 100 SINGLES
                     Week ending July 16, 1977

TW                                            
 1  DA DOO RON RON
            Shaun Cassidy (Warner/Curb 8365)    
 2  UNDERCOVER ANGEL
                    Alan O’Day (Pacific 001)  
 3  LOOKS LIKE WE MADE IT
                 Barry Manilow (Arista 0244)    
 4  I’M IN YOU
                   Peter Frampton (A&M 1941)    
 5  JET AIRLINER
            Steve Miller Band (Capitol 4424)    
 6  I JUST WANT TO BE YOUR EVERYTHING
                         Andy Gibb (RSO 872)  
 7  MARGARITAVILLE
                   Jimmy Buffett (ABC 12254)    
 8  MY HEART BELONGS TO ME
           Barbra Streisand (Columbia 10555)  
 9  WHATCHA GONNA DO?
                     Pablo Cruise (A&M 1920)    
10  DO YOU WANNA MAKE LOVE
            Peter McCann (20th Century 2335)    
11  (Your Love Has Lifted Me) HIGHER AND
    HIGHER
                     Rita Coolidge (A&M 1922)    
12  KNOWING ME, KNOWING YOU
                        Abba (Atlantic 3387)    
13  YOU MADE ME BELIEVE IN MAGIC
              Bay City Rollers (Arista 0256)
14  IT’S SAD TO BELONG
               England Dan & John Ford Coley
                            (Big Tree 16088)    
15  YOU AND ME
            Alice Cooper (Warner Bros. 8349)  
16  HIGH SCHOOL DANCE
                      Sylvers (Capitol 4405)    
17  BEST OF MY LOVE
                   Emotions (Columbia 10544)  
18  EASY
                    Commodores (Motown 1418)    
19  YOU’RE MY WORLD
                  Helen Reddy (Capitol 4418)    
20  LONELY BOY
                  Andrew Gold (Asylum 45384)    
21  ARIEL
              Dean Friedman (Lifesong 45022)  
22  BARRACUDA
                      Heart (Portrait 70004)  
23  LUCKENBACH, TEXAS (Back To The Basics
    Of Love)
                 Waylon Jennings (RCA 10924)    
24  HANDY MAN
               James Taylor (Columbia 10557)    
25  TELEPHONE MAN
                       Meri Wilson (GRT 127)    
26  GONNA FLY NOW
             Bill Conti (United Artists 940)    
27  BLACK BETTY
                        Ram Jam (Epic 50357)    
28  ANGEL IN YOUR ARMS
                        Hot (Big Tree 16085)    
29  GIVE A LITTLE BIT
                       Supertramp (A&M 1938)    
30  JUST A SONG BEFORE I GO
       Crosby, Stills & Nash (Atlantic 3401)    
31  GOT TO GIVE IT UP (pt. 1)
                   Marvin Gaye (Tamla 54280)  
32  LIFE IN THE FAST LANE
                       Eagles (Asylum 45403)    
33  FEELS LIKE THE FIRST TIME
                   Foreigner (Atlantic 3394)    
34  LOVE’S GROWN DEEP
             Kenny Nolan (20th Century 2331)    
35  DREAMS
           Fleetwood Mac (Warner Bros. 8371)    
36  HEARD IT IN A LOVE SONG
       Marshall Tucker Band (Capricorn 0270)  
37  PEACE OF MIND
                         Boston (Epic 50381)    
38  TELEPHONE LINE
                    Electric Light Orchestra
                       (United Artists 1000)    
39  THE KILLING OF GEORGIE (pts. 1 & 2)
             Rod Stewart (Warner Bros. 8396)    
40  LUCILLE
           Kenny Rogers (United Artists 929)    

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That's an excellent list of tunes and an excellent year. Was that a "black-out" year?

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: FOXVOX on 08/20/03 at 03:55 p.m.


Quoting:
Would anyone know what songs were being played on July 13th,1977?

Howard
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That's the top-40 list as per Howard's request.

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Howard on 08/20/03 at 06:51 p.m.


Quoting:


That's the top-40 list as per Howard's request.
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excellent! and thanks a lot! :D


Howard

Subject: Re: Meteorology explains the BROWNOUT

Written By: Hairspray on 08/20/03 at 07:52 p.m.


Quoting:
That's the top-40 list as per Howard's request.
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Oh yeah! Of course.  ;D