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Subject: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: n-Somnia on 12/14/03 at 04:48 a.m.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3317429.stm

It finally happened.  :)

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Goreripper on 12/14/03 at 04:50 a.m.

Yes. I was just about to post this. Great news!

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: LyricBoy on 12/14/03 at 05:31 a.m.

Let's shave his head and march him through the streets of Bagdad wearing a pink bunny suit!  ;D

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: n-Somnia on 12/14/03 at 07:10 a.m.

Quoting:
Let's shave his head and march him through the streets of Bagdad wearing a pink bunny suit!  ;D
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;D I'm loving it.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Dagwood on 12/14/03 at 07:16 a.m.

YAY!  What great news to wake up to.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: jesuisunpizza on 12/14/03 at 09:36 a.m.

Yes! My mom just woke me up and told me. I was confused at first, then it sunk in. Then I went upstairs and I saw it snowing for the first time this year! It was almost too much for me.

Now for Osama.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Hairspray on 12/14/03 at 10:09 a.m.

Great news indeed.  8)

I wish some politicians would focus on this good news and celebrate it as the positive event that it is in its own right, instead of being opportunists and immediately attempting to shift the focus of this good news by turning it into a series of debates and election matters.

There's a right place and a right time for everything.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: My_name_is_Kenny on 12/14/03 at 10:42 a.m.

He looks like Santa!

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Hairspray on 12/14/03 at 11:20 a.m.


Quoting:
He looks like Santa!
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More like a vagabond; but no longer. They shaved him.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Rice Cube on 12/14/03 at 12:14 a.m.


Quoting:
He looks like Santa!
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AAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!!!  That's what my friend said :D

And yes...now for Osama 8)

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Howard on 12/14/03 at 12:24 a.m.

Now the question is...What to do with him?

*shoot him
*send him to jail
*electrocution
*community service

???

Howard

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: 80sRocked on 12/14/03 at 12:26 a.m.


Quoting:
I wish some politicians would focus on this good news and celebrate it as the positive event that it is in its own right, instead of being opportunists and immediately attempting to shift the focus of this good news by turning it into a series of debates and election matters.End Quote



I agree totally.

This morning they interviewed some of the Dem candidates regarding Saddam's capture, and while most of them said it was a great day and that this was a huge positive step, a few others, however,  immediately started downplaying it to turn it in their favor. ::)

Its a huge step for sure.  




Something else that I found interesting is that while Saddam, in his days of ruthless dictator, propped himself up as almost like a God of some sorts.  And now, he was found hiding in a hole in the ground like the filthy rat that he really is.  

Oh how karma can change events. :)

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: 80sRocked on 12/14/03 at 12:29 a.m.


Quoting:
Now the question is...What to do with him?

*shoot him
*send him to jail
*electrocution
*community service

???

Howard
End Quote




Well, if it were up to me, I would go through all the papers and records that he and his people kept regarding everything they did to torture the Iraqis.  And I would give him a little bit of everything that he did to them.  Starting with jumper-cables attached to his...well...use your imagination. :)

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Howard on 12/14/03 at 12:31 a.m.


Quoting:



Well, if it were up to me, I would go through all the papers and records that he and his people kept regarding everything they did to torture the Iraqis.  And I would give him a little bit of everything that he did to them.  Starting with jumper-cables attached to his...well...use your imagination. :)
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Let them send Saddam to New York City and see what happens. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Rice Cube on 12/14/03 at 01:14 p.m.


Quoting:

This morning they interviewed some of the Dem candidates regarding Saddam's capture, and while most of them said it was a great day and that this was a huge positive step, a few others, however,  immediately started downplaying it to turn it in their favor. ::)End Quote



Dems mouth off

This should be fun to see unfold :D

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Marian on 12/14/03 at 02:49 p.m.

;D ;D ;DYay!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: 80sRocked on 12/14/03 at 03:18 p.m.


Quoting:


Dems mouth off

This should be fun to see unfold :D
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Yes it will be.

After all, the timing couldn't have been better because the ones that are desperately trying to downplay it are the same ones that were downplaying Bush's Thanksgiving visit to Baghdad.  And now this.  They have to be squirming right about now. :D

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Indy Gent on 12/14/03 at 03:25 p.m.

To Al Gore: Now did Howard Dean make the "right" choice about the Iraqi War?! ::) ;)

I see this as one down, one to go. And Osama isn't as stupid as Saddam is. Or it just seems that way. It is a great day, and it'll be even better when Saddam gets the justice he deserves.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Billy_Florio on 12/14/03 at 03:46 p.m.

you know, with that beard, he kinda looks likes...OMG! its OSAMA!

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: jesuisunpizza on 12/14/03 at 03:56 p.m.

How much was the award for information leading to the capture of Saddam? All I know is some Iraqi will be very rich (if they give the person the award).

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: 80sRocked on 12/14/03 at 03:57 p.m.


Quoting:
To Al Gore: Now did Howard Dean make the "right" choice about the Iraqi War?! ::) ;)End Quote



I'm still trying to figure out what Gore's been smokin the last week or so.  Its truly as if he is trying to commit "political suicide".

But regarding Dean, Lieberman said it best:  ""If Howard Dean had his way, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today, not in prison, and the world would be a much more dangerous place."




Quoting:I see this as one down, one to go. And Osama isn't as stupid as Saddam is. End Quote


I agree on that.

It seems like just common sense that if you are the target of a major international manhunt, the last place you would be hiding is in your own homewtown.  For being a ruthless dictator, Saddam doesn't seem to have many "street smarts".

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: 80sRocked on 12/14/03 at 03:58 p.m.


Quoting:
How much was the award for information leading to the capture of Saddam? All I know is some Iraqi will be very rich (if they give the person the award).
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If memory serves, it was $25,000,000.

Whoever turned him in deserves every penny of it. :)

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Dagwood on 12/14/03 at 04:12 p.m.

My mom and I were watching the coverage until they started to speculate on how this would effect the presidential race.  TV off.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Goreripper on 12/14/03 at 04:16 p.m.

Yep, $25 million was the bounty on his head. It's a great day for the world that he has been caught. Usually monsters like this either get off or kill themselves before they're caught.

Nonetheless the issue now that he's been caught is what to do with him. I'm sure America would want to see him tried by Iraq, but they don't exactly have the infrastructure set up to do it yet. Bush isn't a fan of the ICC and the court in the Hague is still tied up with Milosevic's mess. Where is he going to be held? Not in Iraq, surely?

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: My_name_is_Kenny on 12/14/03 at 04:34 p.m.

I believe the person who turned him in wil actually not getting a monetary reward, since I understand that he was a prisoner of the US; he'll probably be getting his freedom and international amnesty instead.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Joelle on 12/14/03 at 04:47 p.m.

Woohoo!  ;D

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Rice Cube on 12/14/03 at 06:03 p.m.


Quoting:


I'm still trying to figure out what Gore's been smokin the last week or so.  Its truly as if he is trying to commit "political suicide".

But regarding Dean, Lieberman said it best:  ""If Howard Dean had his way, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today, not in prison, and the world would be a much more dangerous place." End Quote



I think Dean is screwed.  And Gore hasn't been an important factor, especially after practically everyone he endorsed in the 2002 off-year election lost.

Quoting:It seems like just common sense that if you are the target of a major international manhunt, the last place you would be hiding is in your own homewtown.  For being a ruthless dictator, Saddam doesn't seem to have many "street smarts".
End Quote



I was following this on FOX News and CNN and MSNBC and there were reports of informants here, there, and everywhere who would give little tidbits of information as to Saddam's (and others') whereabouts.  I think the hole he was hiding in was a last resort.  Considering he couldn't get out of the country (since the coalition was stringently controlling entry and exit at the borders and the airways) and a huge bodyguard squad would scream "hey, I'm here!" I don't think he had many options.


Most people think Bush, at the moment anyway, is untouchable.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Goreripper on 12/14/03 at 06:37 p.m.

Of course Bush would be untouchable right now. If there was an election tomorrow he'd win by a street. But the election isn't for another year. Voters are petty and have short memories and elections are won and lost on what happens immediately before them. I will say that I'm happy Bush is downplaying Saddam's capture somewhat and despite my dislike of the man I must say that I find his gift for doing this to be quite admirable.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Rice Cube on 12/14/03 at 06:40 p.m.


Quoting:
Of course Bush would be untouchable right now. If there was an election tomorrow he'd win by a street. But the election isn't for another year. Voters are petty and have short memories and elections are won and lost on what happens immediately before them. I will say that I'm happy Bush is downplaying Saddam's capture somewhat and despite my dislike of the man I must say that I find his gift for doing this to be quite admirable.
End Quote



...which is why the Dems are regrouping...they have to find something else to attack him with now, like "Where's Osama?"

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Goreripper on 12/14/03 at 06:51 p.m.

Well they need to regroup for sure, and while it would be easy to go for the "Where's Osama?" angle it would be disappointing if they did. Although we are taking about politicians here, I guess. The key point here is that Saddam stayed in Iraq. As long as Saddam stayed in Iraq, he was going to be caught eventually. The country is basically under occupation. If he'd managed to get out of the country, he could have stayed hidden in Syria or Saudi Arabia for years, and if that had happened then Bush would not have the coup he does now.
Osama bin Laden could be just about anywhere. No one really knew where he was in the first place, and now he might not even be in Afghanistan at all, and probably isn't.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: 80sRocked on 12/14/03 at 07:27 p.m.


Quoting:
Of course Bush would be untouchable right now. If there was an election tomorrow he'd win by a street. But the election isn't for another year. Voters are petty and have short memories and elections are won and lost on what happens immediately before them. End Quote



That is true....sort of.  

Looking back in the last few months, whether Bush opponents want to admit it or not, he has scored major points with many people.

If you combine the Thanksgiving trip to Baghdad, the recovering economy, and now the capture of Saddam Hussien, I think Bush is and will be untouchable for quite a long time.  Those things aren't just minor things that people will forget about, they are all major and will stick in their minds for a long time.

The Dems have been losing their argument points one by one.  And today's occurance is just one more thing they can't talk about anymore.






Quoting:I will say that I'm happy Bush is downplaying Saddam's capture somewhat and despite my dislike of the man I must say that I find his gift for doing this to be quite admirable.
End Quote



I agree.

The White House could have easily turned this into a huge victory party-like atmosphere.  But they took the classy road.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Goreripper on 12/14/03 at 07:59 p.m.


Quoting:


That is true....sort of.  

Looking back in the last few months, whether Bush opponents want to admit it or not, he has scored major points with many people.

If you combine the Thanksgiving trip to Baghdad, the recovering economy, and now the capture of Saddam Hussien, I think Bush is and will be untouchable for quite a long time.  Those things aren't just minor things that people will forget about, they are all major and will stick in their minds for a long time.

The Dems have been losing their argument points one by one.  And today's occurance is just one more thing they can't talk about anymore.

End Quote



I agree, but the election is still a long way off, and a lot can happen in that time. The Democrats are in disarray, there's no doubt about that, but I'm not prepared to make any long range political forecasts.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Billy_Florio on 12/14/03 at 08:22 p.m.

well, if the Dems want to win, then they better get rid of Dean.,...if Dean gets the nomination, Bush will win in a landslide...the beest Dem canditate right now is Wesley Clark, and hes even losing points from Dems that think hes too conservative....Bush's recent achivments have put him int he lead (plus, a poll taken last week put Bush int he lead by a heavy margin over ANY potential Dem Canditate..)....As long as Bush keeps it up, he cant lose......

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Mr_80s on 12/15/03 at 08:10 a.m.

Quoting:
well, if the Dems want to win, then they better get rid of Dean.,...if Dean gets the nomination, Bush will win in a landslide
End Quote



Can you say "Nixon - McGovern" or "Reagan - Mondale", or even "Bush - Dukakis"?

When the Republican looks like a shoe-in, the Democrats have this habit of putting in somebody that has no chance of winning.  This has been happening for over 20 years.

I am not sure if it is in an attempt to show a very different view, or if they are doing their own version of "cleaning house", throwing away a bad candidate, so he will hopefully not embarass them the next time.  But this is something they have done over and over again.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: RockandRollFan on 12/15/03 at 10:54 a.m.


Quoting:


Dems mouth off

This should be fun to see unfold :D
End Quote

Yup...just keep showing what idiots you are, Dems....that must be why your party is represented by a Jack*ss ::)

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: NullandVoid on 12/15/03 at 02:21 p.m.

Hmmm...I'm glad that finally something good came out of this war. So what now??

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Mr_80s on 12/15/03 at 04:10 p.m.

Quoting:
Hmmm...I'm glad that finally something good came out of this war. So what now??
End Quote



Well, after a few years, they will hopefully get a stable semi-democratic political system.  Also, the others that live there will no longer have to live in fear of his wanting to kill them for little or no reason.

Also, his neighbors will no longer have to worry about being invaded by Iraq.

I do not expect us to be out of there for many years though, and I am willing to live with that.  After all, it is almost 60 years, and we are still in Germany and Japan.  But I feel it is a small price to pay for world peace.

I am not delusional though.  It will be years before the worst of the fanatics are gone.  But hopefully it will eventually happen.  And things in the region are changing already.  Saudi Arabia is slowly becoming more democratic, as is Quwait and Jordon.  And Israel is more safe, now that he is not able to pay suicide bombers to kill themselves.

I think that may subside a bit also over time.  The way Saddam was captured will show the more intelligent ones how unwilling their leaders are to die for their beliefs.  With hope, some of them will start to question their own willingness to do so, in light of how their "leaders" act.

There is little worse I imagine then being found in a hole in the ground, soaked in urine and surrounded with 7-Up, Mars Bars, and American money, with a loaded pistol he was unwilling to either use on himself or his captors.

As much as I disliked Usay and Quasay, at least they had the fortitude to go out fighting, not cowering like their father did.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: jesuisunpizza on 12/15/03 at 04:55 p.m.


Quoting:
How much was the award for information leading to the capture of Saddam? All I know is some Iraqi will be very rich (if they give the person the award).
End Quote



Found the answer to my question:

http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3713751&p1=0

I figured they'd find a way not to give the reward, even thought the excuse they gave did make a bit of sense.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: 80sRocked on 12/16/03 at 10:13 p.m.

There are some liberal activist groups, and even some anti-war Catholic groups who are upset that we showed Saddam in a "bad light" after being caught.  In other words, they think it was "disgraceful" that we showed images of this guy in the current state he was in. ::)


So its ok for them to flaunt images of our soldiers being captured on their TV networks, but its not ok for us to simply show Saddam with a beard?

...amd I missing something here?

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Secret_Squirrell on 12/16/03 at 10:20 p.m.

United States of Amnesia

BTW, WTF ever happened to the WMD's?  As if capturing Saddam was the ultimate goal.  Every world leader has been shamelessly congratulating themselves and anyone they can get their hands on. Without ever mentioning that capturing leaders of sovereign states is a NO NO. Actually its against international law.  But apparently, in the New World Order, its Not!  So stay tuned for more leader apprehensions.
:P

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Rice Cube on 12/16/03 at 10:40 p.m.


Quoting:


Found the answer to my question:

http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3713751&p1=0

I figured they'd find a way not to give the reward, even thought the excuse they gave did make a bit of sense.
End Quote



They did give a $30 million reward to the informant who helped them flush out Uday and Qusay.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: 80sRocked on 12/16/03 at 11:07 p.m.

Quoting:
United States of Amnesia

BTW, WTF ever happened to the WMD's?  As if capturing Saddam was the ultimate goal.  Every world leader has been shamelessly congratulating themselves and anyone they can get their hands on. Without ever mentioning that capturing leaders of sovereign states is a NO NO. Actually its against international law.  But apparently, in the New World Order, its Not!  So stay tuned for more leader apprehensions.
:P
End Quote



Squirrel, I never thought this of you before, but you're really projecting a starange tone.


WMD's were a major factor, and dont think for a minute that they are off the table just becsue Saddam was caught.  But they were not the only factor.  Removing Saddam and stablising Iraq was the ultimate goal.

Have you already forgotten what Saddam is proudly guilty of?  

I guess the alternative is letting him go.  Yea, that would be nice. ::)
I'm sure the Iraqis would just love that.




If this thread is going to turn into a "Iraq War Justification" thread, I'm out.  Its been played, and ran into the ground here.  Have fun with it.





Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Hairspray on 12/17/03 at 07:39 a.m.


Quoting:
If this thread is going to turn into a "Iraq War Justification" thread, I'm out.  Its been played, and ran into the ground here.End Quote



Good point.

Let's stay on the immediate "BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ" - the reactions to Saddams capture topic folks.

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Howard on 12/17/03 at 04:27 p.m.

So,when he does have his trial,who will be the translator? ???


Howard

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Secret_Squirrell on 12/17/03 at 05:43 p.m.

80sRocked-> Don't get me wrong, i'm all for his removal.  I just have a little bit of unease when established laws and procedures are bent for one's own convenience, that's all.  But after all, this is primarily an American and British war.

And I agree with you about the "justification" thread comment.  It would never end.  ::)  and I won't comment further to prevent its continuation.

I did "sound" sarcastic in that post, didn't I?  Sorry about that.. musta beEn toO mUCh rUM aNd EgGnOG... mAyBE i'D bEtTEr cHeCK thE eXpIrY dAte oN ThE cArTOn foR pOSsIbLe uNsEEn sIde EFfecTs.  ;D

Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: IRAQ

Written By: Mr_80s on 12/18/03 at 08:00 a.m.

Quoting:
I did "sound" sarcastic in that post, didn't I?  Sorry about that.. musta beEn toO mUCh rUM aNd EgGnOG... mAyBE i'D bEtTEr cHeCK thE eXpIrY dAte oN ThE cArTOn foR pOSsIbLe uNsEEn sIde EFfecTs.  ;D
End Quote



Please Squirrel, don't go 313t3 on us!!!!!!!!