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Subject: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Kyle on 05/08/05 at 3:03 pm

I say 1999 because that's when our modern conviences started to kick in.  Before that time, people didn't have a clue what Napster is, and the Internet was only available to school and library; very few homes.  Also, that ultra-unforgettable mainstream teen pop and rap started to come in with modernized movies such as the Matrix and Things That I Don't Like About You.


Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Tanya1976 on 05/08/05 at 3:08 pm

1998, since my six year old son would be considered a member. However, Generation Y is still going strong.

Tanya

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: jersey_bwoy2078 on 05/08/05 at 4:15 pm

Well, from all I've been reading about, the year for Generation Z or the real Millenials started in 1995, so....  But then again, that's probably culturally.  Labeling Gen Y (culturally) is 1977-1994, but (chronologically), according to that Coupland guy, Gen Y is 1982-2000.  So it's kind of confusing research because every website I've been to has so many different theories on generations. ::)  Any how....I say it started in 1995 and will end in about 2015-16.  :D

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: bbigd04 on 05/08/05 at 4:55 pm

Around 2000.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Chris MegatronTHX on 05/08/05 at 8:48 pm

When "Generation X" stopped being cool and instead became the adults.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Guest on 07/19/05 at 3:56 pm

Z begain in 1993 or 94.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Mushroom on 07/19/05 at 4:37 pm

Myself, I think it really began on 11 September 2001.

A lot of the "Generations" have been centered around major events in world history.  I think that is because these events tend to shape those that are born into it.

The "Lost Generation" were those that reached age during the First World War.  The "Baby Boomers" are those that were born during or after the Second World War.

While many consider the "Baby Boom" to have lasted till 1964, I myself consider it to have ended in November 1963.  The assasination of Kennedy left a long-lasting mark on this country.  Those of us born afterwards will never really understand what things were like during "Camelot".

Being born in 1964, I am right between Boomer and Gen-X.  I still have a lot of memories that most "Gen X" people do not, like Apollo 11, Vietnam, and RFK.  Because of this, a lot of my memories and beliefs are a combination of the 2.

I think that every "Generation" has a classic "Where Were You When" question that can be associated with it.  "Where Were You When" WWII ended, Kennedy was shot, Reagan was shot, the Pope was shot, you heard about 9/11.  You simply go back to the earliest one on the list, and that says what generation you belong to.  It is cultural events either directly involved (WWII, Kennedy, 9/11) with the events or in general during that time frame (Lennon, Reagan, Pope JPII) that helps determine who you belong to I think.

Here is a great article to look at for some more info on this topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Marty McFly on 07/19/05 at 6:34 pm

Good topic. :)

To be honest, as much as I've thought about decades or ages, etc. I never put too much thought into generations until I started reading this board. I have a far better grip on it now.

Overall I'd say X would be 1965 to 1980. Generation Y might be 1981-96, and Z would seem to start in the mid to late 90's.

As an example, I was born in 1981, so I'm either a VERY young X-er or a VERY old Y-er. Even though I still feel very teenage-ish in many respects, I do kinda get brought back down to Earth when I hear someone just a few years younger than me call something from 1998 or 2000 "old school". ;)

So I've always related to Generation X-ers alot more in pop culture.

Someone born in 1995 (10 years old) would probably have more in common with kids being born now, than they would to someone born in 1985, so I'd almost say 1995 is the beginning of Generation Z, and it'll go on till like 2010-12.


When "Generation X" stopped being cool and instead became the adults.


I’d say the age people start becoming “the adults” is around 30, but not full-blown until 40.

Someone born in 1970 would still only be at the very early stages of it - most of the X-ers, especially the very late 80's teens have a ways to go before completely crossing over to the adult side of the fence! :D

This year, only someone born in 1965 (the very beginning of Gen X) would be like a full-on adult/parental figure, since they'd be 40.

It'll be more like 2015 or 2020 when EVERYONE associated with Gen X is thought of in that respect. Then again, maybe that's just my biased POV talking. I don't think I'll ever be able to think of anyone born since 1968-70 as old or completely "adult" -- possibly because they couldn't be my parents, even biologically, so I automatically think of people that age as big brothers/sisters.

The same way a kid born in like 1994 would probably think of someone my age.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: guest on 07/19/05 at 6:59 pm

Why did it start at gen x instead of A,B, stc... ????

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: guest on 04/27/10 at 5:57 pm

It began on January 1, 1997. Because Generation Y all have to be 13+ in the 2000s decade, a 1997 kid wouldn't turn 13 until 2010, the decade. Even today, if Generation Y is considered to end in 1997 some of the kids would still not be able to watch PG-13 movies! I say it began in January 1, 1997.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: whistledog on 04/27/10 at 6:04 pm


When Did Generation Z Begin?


When I fell asleep

http://bedzine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/zzz.jpg

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: joeman on 04/27/10 at 9:25 pm


It began on January 1, 1997. Because Generation Y all have to be 13+ in the 2000s decade, a 1997 kid wouldn't turn 13 until 2010, the decade. Even today, if Generation Y is considered to end in 1997 some of the kids would still not be able to watch PG-13 movies! I say it began in January 1, 1997.


My best friends younger sister was born in 1997, and she liked the same type of TV shows from the 00s as we did.  Plus, I knew most around her age last year still listening to bands like Slipknot, which is a band that was popular with teenagers throughout the 00s.  If you ask me, Generation Z starts around 1999 or 2000.  If memories start at 3 for example, 12 year olds today can recall the atomsphere before 9/11, and imo 9/11 changed the way society conducted itself.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: superflykid2008 on 05/05/10 at 12:37 am

Generation X 1965 - 1980
Generation Y 1980 - 1995
Generation Z 1995 - 2010
Generation Alpha 2010 - 2025
Nuff said...argument done... 8)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: JTCool on 05/05/10 at 10:27 pm


Generation X 1965 - 1980
Generation Y 1980 - 1995
Generation Z 1995 - 2010
Generation Alpha 2010 - 2025
Nuff said...argument done... 8)


I would say those years are good starting points for trying to figure out what generation a person is in, but the only problem I have with it is that many siblings who are only 2-3 years apart are suddenly cast into two different generations, which to me just doesn't make alot of sense. Also being born in 93, I'd say I have less in common with someone born in 1980 and more things in common with someone born in the later half of the 90's. This really has nothing to do with the topic but it'd be nice if not all the generations were named after a letter. The whole Generation X name sounds cool but having generations following it with letters too just looks unoriginal and boring.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/06/10 at 3:17 pm

When they made up the term "Generation Z."
8)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: superflykid2008 on 05/07/10 at 1:19 am


I would say those years are good starting points for trying to figure out what generation a person is in, but the only problem I have with it is that many siblings who are only 2-3 years apart are suddenly cast into two different generations, which to me just doesn't make alot of sense. Also being born in 93, I'd say I have less in common with someone born in 1980 and more things in common with someone born in the later half of the 90's. This really has nothing to do with the topic but it'd be nice if not all the generations were named after a letter. The whole Generation X name sounds cool but having generations following it with letters too just looks unoriginal and boring.

Well, there has to be a cutoff line somewhere. And honestly, people born at the end of a generation, are likely to be just the same as people born at the begining of the next. It's pretty much just a name. I was born in Nov of 89, so I'm pretty much on the late  of Generation Y.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MrCleveland on 05/07/10 at 10:45 am

I said 1999, but it could be between 1999 and 2001.

I'm a Gen Yer and I hope us Gen Yers could make things before the sell-out of Gen Zers.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: ANONYMOUS on 04/02/11 at 1:58 pm

I think Generation Z begins in the 21st Century, when all technology began to change. 2000 is considered to be part of the 20th Century, although it is part of the 2nd Millenium. I'm not sure. But those who were born in 1997-1999, I don't really know. But I'll just say Generation Y-Z or something?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Kitkat1991 on 04/02/11 at 6:26 pm

According to researchers it starts in 1991.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Kitkat1991 on 04/02/11 at 6:27 pm


According to researchers it starts in 1991.


spell check : *started

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: youngerderek on 04/02/11 at 6:44 pm


According to researchers it starts in 1991.


Nah, that's ridiculous. 1991 are like the heart of Y.

I would say somewhere between '95 and '99, it starts.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Pamela on 09/01/12 at 4:43 pm


When "Generation X" stopped being cool and instead became the adults.


Made me laugh very hard because I'm a Gen X-er.  I stopped being cool and became an adult in April 1997 when my son was born.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: RG1995 on 09/01/12 at 10:07 pm

Who cares? No one here knows.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/02/12 at 3:05 am


Who cares? No one here knows.


You can speculate about it.

My opinion is that Gen Z starts with those who can't remember much before 2000, and those who weren't witnesses of X-youth culture in the 90's. That applies basically to those born later than 1993, while 91-93 is a cusp.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inertia on 09/02/12 at 4:53 am

Didn't we just have a topic similar to this in the 2010's board?

I'm not sure I understand the fascination surrounding this subject, but I will contribute my opinion anyway.

I personally think Generation Z began around 1996.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: slim on 09/02/12 at 1:30 pm

Generation Z starts in 1991. Some "sources" even start it early as 1989!

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/02/12 at 3:05 pm


Some "sources" even start it early as 1989!


That's funny. Do they state why they chose that year?
I think it's definetly too early considering they could live and remember a good amount of the 90's before Y-culture took over.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/02/12 at 3:09 pm

Not to beat a dead horse after my rant in the other Gen Z thread, but I'll basically say

X/Y Cusp: 1978-1981
First wave of pure Y: 1982-1987
Second wave of pure Y: 1988-1993
Y/Z Cusp: 1994-1996
First wave of pure Z: 1997

Basically the ones in the cusp zones are essentially members of both generations, or you could really put the cut-off anywhere in the cusp zone and it would make sense.

I think babies being born right now are either tail-end Gen Zers or they're among the pioneer members of whatever comes after Z (in the cusp). They won't come of age until 2030!

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: slim on 09/03/12 at 11:13 am


That's funny. Do they state why they chose that year?
I think it's definetly too early considering they could live and remember a good amount of the 90's before Y-culture took over.


Nope, they just guess.  I agree it is too early

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: slim on 09/03/12 at 11:14 am


Not to beat a dead horse after my rant in the other Gen Z thread, but I'll basically say

X/Y Cusp: 1978-1981
First wave of pure Y: 1982-1987
Second wave of pure Y: 1988-1993
Y/Z Cusp: 1994-1996
First wave of pure Z: 1997

Basically the ones in the cusp zones are essentially members of both generations, or you could really put the cut-off anywhere in the cusp zone and it would make sense.

I think babies being born right now are either tail-end Gen Zers or they're among the pioneer members of whatever comes after Z (in the cusp). They won't come of age until 2030!


This sounds about right.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/05/12 at 4:58 pm

I'm going to say 1998. I have met some people born in 1997 and they seem pretty similar to the people I know born in 1993, 1994. They'd be the youngest to have a chance of remembering the 90's too.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/06/12 at 3:26 am


I have met some people born in 1997 (...) They'd be the youngest to have a chance of remembering the 90's too.


They remember as much of the 90's as an '87er could remember about the 80's. And that should be as good as nothing since it is even hard for me; being born in the 6-year.

1993-1997 are probably pretty similar because they are 15-19 while 1998 is about 13/14. 13/14 is generally a huge transitional time. Some are like kids, others are acting more like teens or adults; some have not reached their full height yet, others are big as skyscrapers.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/06/12 at 3:09 pm


They remember as much of the 90's as an '87er could remember about the 80's. And that should be as good as nothing since it is even hard for me; being born in the 6-year.

1993-1997 are probably pretty similar because they are 15-19 while 1998 is about 13/14. 13/14 is generally a huge transitional time. Some are like kids, others are acting more like teens or adults; some have not reached their full height yet, others are big as skyscrapers.


That's why I said they have a chance of remembering the 90s. They probably don't, but at least they could remember before the summer of 2001 so they'd have a slight grasp of the 'greater 90s'.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/07/12 at 6:32 pm


I'm going to say 1998. I have met some people born in 1997 and they seem pretty similar to the people I know born in 1993, 1994. They'd be the youngest to have a chance of remembering the 90's too.


People born in 1997 were only 2 in 1999. And, very few people if anyone remember what was going on at age 2. Do you think the average person born in 1989 remembers Nirvana breaking out in 1991? I seriously doubt it. I look at a Y/Z cusp from 1993-1996 (with 1993 and 1994 being more Y, and 1995 and 1996 being more Z) and pure Z starting in 1997. People born in 1993 and 1994 are not like those born in 1991 and 1992 (except late 92 and 93).

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/07/12 at 7:26 pm

I think another good definition for Gen Y/Millennials is people who were in school (K-12) during Y2K. So that would be late '81 through mid-'94.

So the birth years (on a Sept-Aug basis) for the '99-'00 school year were:

HS senior: 1981-82
HS junior: 1982-83
HS sophomore: 1983-84
HS freshman: 1984-85
8th grade: 1985-86
7th grade: 1986-87
6th grade: 1987-88
5th grade: 1988-89
4th grade: 1989-90
3rd grade: 1990-91
2nd grade: 1991-92
1st grade: 1992-93
Kindergarten: 1993-94

In an extended sense, we could include college since they weren't working adults yet, which would then include late '77ers as college seniors at the time.

Btw, I'm just assuming the cut off date for starting school is the same in most places. In the Chicago area, it pretty much coincided with the beginning of the school year, so for example in my grade the September '90 babies were the oldest and the August '91 babies were the youngest. I'm not exactly sure when they started doing it that way though, because my mom who was born in October of '58 was one of the younger ones in her grade and graduated when she was 17. I also have an October birthday but was 18 when I graduated.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/07/12 at 8:35 pm


I think another good definition for Gen Y/Millennials is people who were in school (K-12) during Y2K. So that would be late '81 through mid-'94.

So the birth years (on a Sept-Aug basis) for the '99-'00 school year were:

HS senior: 1981-82
HS junior: 1982-83
HS sophomore: 1983-84
HS freshman: 1984-85
8th grade: 1985-86
7th grade: 1986-87
6th grade: 1987-88
5th grade: 1988-89
4th grade: 1989-90
3rd grade: 1990-91
2nd grade: 1991-92
1st grade: 1992-93
Kindergarten: 1993-94

In an extended sense, we could include college since they weren't working adults yet, which would then include late '77ers as college seniors at the time.

Btw, I'm just assuming the cut off date for starting school is the same in most places. In the Chicago area, it pretty much coincided with the beginning of the school year, so for example in my grade the September '90 babies were the oldest and the August '91 babies were the youngest. I'm not exactly sure when they started doing it that way though, because my mom who was born in October of '58 was one of the younger ones in her grade and graduated when she was 17. I also have an October birthday but was 18 when I graduated.


this sounds quite fair and accurate actually. People who were toddlers at the most when Thriller by Michael Jackson was a popular music video aren't exactly Xers are they. Generation X remembers the rise of music videos.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: TakaWuKid91 on 09/08/12 at 2:48 am


People born in 1997 were only 2 in 1999. And, very few people if anyone remember what was going on at age 2. Do you think the average person born in 1989 remembers Nirvana breaking out in 1991? I seriously doubt it. I look at a Y/Z cusp from 1993-1996 (with 1993 and 1994 being more Y, and 1995 and 1996 being more Z) and pure Z starting in 1997. People born in 1993 and 1994 are not like those born in 1991 and 1992 (except late 92 and 93).


Funny because I noticed when I interact with someone born '93, I notice a bit of a disconnection with them, despite the two year difference. And interacting with people born after 9/11 is even worse, lol oh the generation gap.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/08/12 at 10:25 pm

It seems like Gen Z has been pushed a long ways back. It wasn't long ago that people were saying Gen Y ends in 2003, now I hear that it actually ended as early as 1988?

I don't think Gen Z really exists yet. There isn't really a common experience that makes the young children today different from the people born in the eighties and early to mid nineties. I'm sure there will be, but until there is I don't think we can really draw any lines in the sand yet. But I'd say 1998 is a good guess since if you were born in that date or later, you would have zero chance of remembering any of the 20th century and you wouldn't really have any first-hand understanding of the changes caused by the Digital Revolution. Someone born in 1990 remembers a time when the Internet wasn't mainstream and less than half of people in the world's richest countries owned a home computer. Someone born in 1998 on the other hand, couldn't recall a time prior to the release of the iPod and would basically have grown up watching YouTube videos.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/08/12 at 11:13 pm


It seems like Gen Z has been pushed a long ways back. It wasn't long ago that people were saying Gen Y ends in 2003, now I hear that it actually ended as early as 1988?

I don't think Gen Z really exists yet. There isn't really a common experience that makes the young children today different from the people born in the eighties and early to mid nineties. I'm sure there will be, but until there is I don't think we can really draw any lines in the sand yet. But I'd say 1998 is a good guess since if you were born in that date or later, you would have zero chance of remembering any of the 20th century and you wouldn't really have any first-hand understanding of the changes caused by the Digital Revolution. Someone born in 1990 remembers a time when the Internet wasn't mainstream and less than half of people in the world's richest countries owned a home computer. Someone born in 1998 on the other hand, couldn't recall a time prior to the release of the iPod and would basically have grown up watching YouTube videos.


People who were eight/nine or older when 9/11 happened experienced a substantial amount of what life was like BEFORE 9/11 whereas those younger experienced little to nothing (keeping in mind that ages 0, 1, 2 and even 3 somewhat are too young to truly count towards life experience). I say 1993/1994 is the cutoff for generation Y.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/08/12 at 11:16 pm


People who were eight/nine or older when 9/11 happened experienced a substantial amount of what life was like BEFORE 9/11 whereas those younger experienced little to nothing (keeping in mind that ages 0, 1, 2 and even 3 somewhat are too young to truly count towards life experience). I say 1993/1994 is the cutoff for generation Y.


I don't think 9/11 really changed our lives that much though, do you? Most of us don't even know anyone who's fighting in the wars or anyone who died in the planes or towers. Airport and border security was already tightening in the '90s.

9/11 was just used as an excuse to bring about tyranny in the Western world more quickly, but the trappings were set long before.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/08/12 at 11:23 pm


I don't think 9/11 really changed our lives that much though, do you? Most of us don't even know anyone who's fighting in the wars or anyone who died in the planes or towers. Airport and border security was already tightening in the '90s.

9/11 was just used as an excuse to bring about tyranny in the Western world more quickly, but the trappings were set long before.


I think 9/11 has changed people's attitudes to certain aspects of society. People also became very paranoid after 9/11 and parents for example became less accepting of children being outside in late hours around that time.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/09/12 at 4:34 am

I'd definitely say 9/11 changed our lives. Maybe not drastically in any particular way, but the world definitely felt like a different place afterward. The shock of that day and the fact that you couldn't turn on a tv or go somewhere without seeing something/hearing about it for months afterward definitely changed the "tone" of our lives somewhat. At least from the perspective of someone who was almost 11 at the time, it was a harsh lesson that the world isn't a safe, peaceful place. That kind of paranoia hadn't been felt in the states since the 50s when people were worried about the threat of nuclear war (bomb shelters and drills in schools and stuff), and so the last people to experience that as teens/children before Gen Y were probably the older boomers.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Starde on 09/09/12 at 8:53 pm


I'd definitely say 9/11 changed our lives. Maybe not drastically in any particular way, but the world definitely felt like a different place afterward. The shock of that day and the fact that you couldn't turn on a tv or go somewhere without seeing something/hearing about it for months afterward definitely changed the "tone" of our lives somewhat. At least from the perspective of someone who was almost 11 at the time, it was a harsh lesson that the world isn't a safe, peaceful place. That kind of paranoia hadn't been felt in the states since the 50s when people were worried about the threat of nuclear war (bomb shelters and drills in schools and stuff), and so the last people to experience that as teens/children before Gen Y were probably the older boomers.


Exactly the case for me. I was 10 at the time and what I saw on TV that day (which I still remember so clearly to this day) also showed me just how evil people can be. And it definitely had an affect on my personal life in my family. I know for a fact that my mom became even more super protective and paranoid about things (and she still is 11 years later) to the point that a lot of things that I was used to doing pre-9/11 changed post-9/11. So yes, I definitely believe 9/11 changed many things. As anniversary quickly approaches, I often wonder if people truly realize the impact that 9/11 had on people who were children at the time (and actually remember the attacks) and are now in their teens/20's.

Back to the main subject, in my opinion, I think Generation Z started in the mid 90's. I believe 1990-1992 or 1993 were the last members of Generation Y.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/10/12 at 2:44 am


Exactly the case for me. I was 10 at the time and what I saw on TV that day (which I still remember so clearly to this day) also showed me just how evil people can be. And it definitely had an affect on my personal life in my family.


9/11 was not the first time that people were evil. It's not that nothing else happened before 9/11 and that there was no terrorism. It was definetly not a 'good old world' before then. Wars were always there and I have witnessed a lot of cruelty in the news all over my childhood.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/10/12 at 8:28 am

I mean it's not like we were completely dumb. We knew that there were evil people in the world and that war existed between countries, but it took 9/11 to solidify that knowledge. No terrorist attack (in the U.S.) prior to then was a bigger deal since Pearl Harbor, long before any Yers were born. And again that was through the view of someone who was 10/11 at the time. Maybe it was more an American thing (hit closer to home where as other things that happened elsewhere during our lifetime didn't effect us that much?)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: af2010 on 09/10/12 at 2:28 pm

I think changes in technology are a better dividing line.  9/11 certainly changed the "mood" of the country for a time, but it didn't change people's everyday life the way technology has.  Was I saddened/angered by 9/11?  Yes.  Was my life forever changed because of it?  Maybe in a subtle way, but not nearly to the extent it has been by technology, or even the economy for that matter.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/10/12 at 2:59 pm


I mean it's not like we were completely dumb. We knew that there were evil people in the world and that war existed between countries, but it took 9/11 to solidify that knowledge. No terrorist attack (in the U.S.) prior to then was a bigger deal since Pearl Harbor, long before any Yers were born. And again that was through the view of someone who was 10/11 at the time. Maybe it was more an American thing (hit closer to home where as other things that happened elsewhere during our lifetime didn't effect us that much?)


Agreed. Not to mention the fact that it dramatically changed people's moods and attitudes in ways such as paranoia for example, as has been discussed here.

If that's not good enough, there's still YouTube. By the time it came out (2005) people born in 1992 and earlier were at least teenagers by the end of the year and those born in 1993/94 were still entering puberty at that age. Sure, you have to be 13 to "legally" have an account, but that hasn't stopped younger people using it (lots of people born in 2000/01+ are using it today). Basically, if you were born in the late 90s or beyond, Youtube was around during your childhood. Born before 1994/1995ish and your childhood was basically over when it came out. And to add weight to 2005, that was around the time Wikipedia became substantial (It started in 2001, but it was called Nupedia and only a select few knew about the project before it became public 2004/2005.

People born in the late 90s, 2000s and beyond need to understand that Generation Y knows a world they never knew.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/10/12 at 3:06 pm

I don't really know, it can be different depending on your age. Like me as someone born in 1987, would I really consider someone born the late '90s as a peer? Not really. Someone born in say 1979 is certainly more of a peer to me than someone born in 1998 is. At this point I don't really consider anybody under 18 to be a peer, I mean I'm 25 years old I don't relate to 13-15 year olds who were practically in diapers when I was in high school.  ::) Now what is gen y supposed to be, well I think you have to remember the turn of the century and reach adulthood in the new millennium. The latest start date for gen y would be those born in 1982, no question that they are gen y as they graduated high school and turned 18 and 21 past y2k. People born 1979-1981 are bit of a gray area (ie cusp) since they first entered the new millennium over 18 but still under 21. The end is around 1995 considering you have to be around 5 or so to remember things with clarity.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/10/12 at 3:50 pm

To be fair, I think you can really take any age/year and compare A to B. I can sit here as a 1990er and say I have nothing in common with someone born in 2000, but then again a 1980er would probably say they have nothing in common with me either, and so on. As I'm born in late 1990, my core "comfort zone" is people born from about late '89 to mid '92, i.e. +/- one school year from me. Each year beyond that range in either direction, I'm gonna feel a little more of a disconnect. And that's probably true for everyone of all birth years. That's not to say I can't relate at all to someone born in 1987 (my brother for instance) or 1993, but the connection isn't gonna be as strong as 89-91/2.

What I described above has more to do with simple age difference than generational belonging, and I think some people forget that when they say "I'm born in 1988 so I relate more to 1978 than 1999".

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/10/12 at 5:46 pm


To be fair, I think you can really take any age/year and compare A to B. I can sit here as a 1990er and say I have nothing in common with someone born in 2000, but then again a 1980er would probably say they have nothing in common with me either, and so on. As I'm born in late 1990, my core "comfort zone" is people born from about late '89 to mid '92, i.e. +/- one school year from me. Each year beyond that range in either direction, I'm gonna feel a little more of a disconnect. And that's probably true for everyone of all birth years. That's not to say I can't relate at all to someone born in 1987 (my brother for instance) or 1993, but the connection isn't gonna be as strong as 89-91/2.

What I described above has more to do with simple age difference than generational belonging, and I think some people forget that when they say "I'm born in 1988 so I relate more to 1978 than 1999".


Definitley, but you can still share traits with someone, even if they 10 years older or younger. Neither you or someone born in 1980 can really remember a time before music videos became big. Someone born in 1980 was a toddler for "Thriller" by Michael Jackson and remember "Video Killed The Radio Star" by The Buggles dates back to 1979/80. And both of you, unlike 2000, are old enough to remember not only events such as 9/11 but also a time before the interent really took over. Even in the late 90s, the internet wasn't much compared to today's standards.

So you can be closer in age to someone but share more traits with someone who is significantly older than you.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Starde on 09/10/12 at 8:05 pm


9/11 was not the first time that people were evil. It's not that nothing else happened before 9/11 and that there was no terrorism. It was definetly not a 'good old world' before then. Wars were always there and I have witnessed a lot of cruelty in the news all over my childhood.


Of course there were evil people before 9/11 and many problems in the world like wars prior to 9/11. Never said that there wasn't! Like MarkMc1990 said, it took 9/11 happening to solidify that fact for me.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: TakaWuKid91 on 09/10/12 at 11:54 pm


Agreed. Not to mention the fact that it dramatically changed people's moods and attitudes in ways such as paranoia for example, as has been discussed here.

If that's not good enough, there's still YouTube. By the time it came out (2005) people born in 1992 and earlier were at least teenagers by the end of the year and those born in 1993/94 were still entering puberty at that age. Sure, you have to be 13 to "legally" have an account, but that hasn't stopped younger people using it (lots of people born in 2000/01+ are using it today). Basically, if you were born in the late 90s or beyond, Youtube was around during your childhood. Born before 1994/1995ish and your childhood was basically over when it came out. And to add weight to 2005, that was around the time Wikipedia became substantial (It started in 2001, but it was called Nupedia and only a select few knew about the project before it became public 2004/2005.

People born in the late 90s, 2000s and beyond need to understand that Generation Y knows a world they never knew.


LOL You making me feel old I remember when my age group (90-92) were the youngsters of youtube. LOL. I started using the computer religiously back in '04, I had a computer in '99 but I had no real understanding of how to use it other than for computer games and how AOL's thirsty ass used to send 1000 hours of free internet CDs to the house LOL.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: TakaWuKid91 on 09/11/12 at 12:02 am


I don't really know, it can be different depending on your age. Like me as someone born in 1987, would I really consider someone born the late '90s as a peer? Not really. Someone born in say 1979 is certainly more of a peer to me than someone born in 1998 is. At this point I don't really consider anybody under 18 to be a peer, I mean I'm 25 years old I don't relate to 13-15 year olds who were practically in diapers when I was in high school.  ::) Now what is gen y supposed to be, well I think you have to remember the turn of the century and reach adulthood in the new millennium. The latest start date for gen y would be those born in 1982, no question that they are gen y as they graduated high school and turned 18 and 21 past y2k. People born 1979-1981 are bit of a gray area (ie cusp) since they first entered the new millennium over 18 but still under 21. The end is around 1995 considering you have to be around 5 or so to remember things with clarity.


Your post made me laugh. Shoot, I'm a '91 and I relate better with people born before '92 than people born '93 onwards. You really think I can relate to some born in '97 and '98? LMAO I was listening to R Kelly "You remind me of something" a few minutes ago and this person on the comment section on Youtube said they first heard the song when they were 11 and they're now 18. LOL

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/11/12 at 2:14 am


Shoot, I'm a '91 and I relate better with people born before '92 than people born '93 onwards.


When I was 21 I thought the same. Today I am quite comfortable in +/- 5-year-range.
14/15 year olds would be too young for me if I was your age, too.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: TakaWuKid91 on 09/11/12 at 2:48 am


When I was 21 I thought the same. Today I am quite comfortable in +/- 5-year-range.
14/15 year olds would be too young for me if I was your age, too.


Yeah, I guess in another few years it'll be different.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/11/12 at 6:51 am


Of course there were evil people before 9/11 and many problems in the world like wars prior to 9/11. Never said that there wasn't! Like MarkMc1990 said, it took 9/11 happening to solidify that fact for me.


don't forget the wars that happened in the 80's and 90's.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: slim on 09/11/12 at 9:22 pm


Your post made me laugh. Shoot, I'm a '91 and I relate better with people born before '92 than people born '93 onwards. You really think I can relate to some born in '97 and '98? LMAO I was listening to R Kelly "You remind me of something" a few minutes ago and this person on the comment section on Youtube said they first heard the song when they were 11 and they're now 18. LOL


Interesting. I'm also a 91er and i can relate to those born in 1993-1994 somewhat. Most of the folks i know were 6-8 during 9/11. I remember we would talk about it at my job they don't really have any clear memories of it or felt anything from it.  Where as i was 10 and i can definitely  say it was death of my childhood. So i'd say even a few years can make a difference. It's just that i notice that the age group from 1993+ seems to mix up the early 2000s with the 90s, but we seem to remember the same stuff from our kid years, just that they mix the years up.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/11/12 at 10:16 pm


Interesting. I'm also a 91er and i can relate to those born in 1993-1994 somewhat. Most of the folks i know were 6-8 during 9/11. I remember we would talk about it at my job they don't really have any clear memories of it or felt anything from it.  Where as i was 10 and i can definitely  say it was death of my childhood. So i'd say even a few years can make a difference. It's just that i notice that the age group from 1993+ seems to mix up the early 2000s with the 90s, but we seem to remember the same stuff from our kid years, just that they mix the years up.


I think the problem with people born in 1993 and later is when people born even in 1993 turned 4/5 it was 1997/1998. Those born in 1992 or earlier turned 4/5 in 1996/1997 at the latest, which was basically at the end of the "real" 90s. So those born in 1993+ if they remember any 90s at all, it's the Britney Spears & Pokemon part of the 90s instead of the Power Rangers & Soundgarden part. So that one year difference between someone born in 1992 and someone born in 1993 is a BIG difference. That's why a lot of people consider 1992 as the latest year one can be born to truly recall the "real" 90s. Those born in 1993 and after simply don't remember it.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/11/12 at 10:23 pm

I don't think you could end Y any earlier than 1994 without including some 70's births as 'millennials' which seems ridiculous to me being they were in their 20s when the 2000 ball dropped. Yes times are changing fast but imo a cultural generation can't be any less than 14 years. The only exception might be in China because their population is so huge and their country has modernized so fast in the past 30 years, they don't have X, Y and Z generations but rather simply do it by the decade they were born in but even there early 90s births are seen as sharing many of the same features as 80s-born people.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: TakaWuKid91 on 09/11/12 at 10:27 pm


Interesting. I'm also a 91er and i can relate to those born in 1993-1994 somewhat. Most of the folks i know were 6-8 during 9/11. I remember we would talk about it at my job they don't really have any clear memories of it or felt anything from it.  Where as i was 10 and i can definitely  say it was death of my childhood. So i'd say even a few years can make a difference. It's just that i notice that the age group from 1993+ seems to mix up the early 2000s with the 90s, but we seem to remember the same stuff from our kid years, just that they mix the years up.


I understand what you're saying, I mean I can relate to them in some ways but in general the age gap between me and them is a little obvious, especially with people born in '93 for some reason.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/12/12 at 12:21 am


I don't think you could end Y any earlier than 1994 without including some 70's births as 'millennials' which seems ridiculous to me being they were in their 20s when the 2000 ball dropped. Yes times are changing fast but imo a cultural generation can't be any less than 14 years. The only exception might be in China because their population is so huge and their country has modernized so fast in the past 30 years, they don't have X, Y and Z generations but rather simply do it by the decade they were born in but even there early 90s births are seen as sharing many of the same features as 80s-born people.


I can understand this. But generation y should not end any later than 1995. That is the absolute last year possible. I would lean towards 1994 being the last year. Though as people have said here, they really do seem different to people born in 1991 and 1992.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/12/12 at 12:32 am

I'm pretty content with the boundaries and reasons I set a few pages ago. I think they're fair and accurate.

X/Y Cusp: late '77 - mid '81 (in college on 1/1/00)
Millennials: late '81 - mid '94 (in school on 1/1/00)
Y/Z Cusp: late '94 - '96 (not old enough to be in school, but still remember Y2K)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/12/12 at 12:49 am


I'm pretty content with the boundaries and reasons I set a few pages ago. I think they're fair and accurate.

X/Y Cusp: late '77 - mid '81 (in college on 1/1/00)
Millennials: late '81 - mid '94 (in school on 1/1/00)
Y/Z Cusp: late '94 - '96 (not old enough to be in school, but still remember Y2K)


2000 was more like 1999 than 2001 though. I think 9/11 had a bigger impact than Y2K did. But I'll agree with this anyway.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/12/12 at 12:56 am

Well look at it this way, the 1996 born people would have been in kindergarten for the '01-'02 school year (when 9/11 happened), so it helps them fit the cusp definition.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/12/12 at 1:05 am

Another random fact that just occurred to me: Those that were in kindergarten for the '99-'00 school year just graduated high school this past Spring. So there is officially no one left in school who started their formal education in the '90s. Unless some people failed and had to repeat a year of course, lol. Though we'll still have people born in the 90s in high school up through the class of 2018, which will include the late '99ers.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/12/12 at 3:46 am


So that one year difference between someone born in 1992 and someone born in 1993 is a BIG difference. That's why a lot of people consider 1992 as the latest year one can be born to truly recall the "real" 90s. Those born in 1993 and after simply don't remember it.


I think this is a bit mean. Have you never heard of holdovers of the previous year? One year does not make a big difference IMO - it's not that everything changes immediatly. When it actually were the 90's, I think I didn't really see the difference between 1995 and 1997 for example. Simply because I did basically the same stuff in this time frame. Pop cultural changes are not that clearly visible when you are actually living the years - especially not when you are 4 or 5. I highly doubt that someone born in 1992 could see the aspects which made 1996 more '90's' than 1997 - in comparison to a 1993er.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/12/12 at 3:55 am


I'm pretty content with the boundaries and reasons I set a few pages ago. I think they're fair and accurate.

X/Y Cusp: late '77 - mid '81 (in college on 1/1/00)
Millennials: late '81 - mid '94 (in school on 1/1/00)
Y/Z Cusp: late '94 - '96 (not old enough to be in school, but still remember Y2K)


What is so special about Y2K anyway? I mean, it was an interesting time and the Y2K-problem which might affect computers was quite funny. But what did you really miss if you can't remember it? It was a normal new years eve as every year.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/12/12 at 8:29 am


I think this is a bit mean. Have you never heard of holdovers of the previous year? One year does not make a big difference IMO - it's not that everything changes immediatly. When it actually were the 90's, I think I didn't really see the difference between 1995 and 1997 for example. Simply because I did basically the same stuff in this time frame. Pop cultural changes are not that clearly visible when you are actually living the years - especially not when you are 4 or 5. I highly doubt that someone born in 1992 could see the aspects which made 1996 more '90's' than 1997 - in comparison to a 1993er.


Yeah I mean seriously how many of us are thinking about pop culture changes at age 4.  ;D.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/12/12 at 11:34 am


What is so special about Y2K anyway? I mean, it was an interesting time and the Y2K-problem which might affect computers was quite funny. But what did you really miss if you can't remember it? It was a normal new years eve as every year.


Well, it's more to do with the name "Millennials". And I'd disagree about it being a regular new years eve. There were countdowns and media hype for months leading up to it, even on children's networks like Nickelodeon. My family went to Disney World in the summer of '00 and it had a "2000" theme that year. Also movies like "Pokemon 2000", "Fantasia 2000", etc. The dot com bubble also peaked that year in March.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/12/12 at 2:10 pm


Well, it's more to do with the name "Millennials". And I'd disagree about it being a regular new years eve. There were countdowns and media hype for months leading up to it, even on children's networks like Nickelodeon. My family went to Disney World in the summer of '00 and it had a "2000" theme that year. Also movies like "Pokemon 2000", "Fantasia 2000", etc. The dot com bubble also peaked that year in March.


Okay, that makes sense. Heck even in early 1998, R L Stine released "Goosebumps Series 2000". I agree now, generation Y had to be at least six or seven in 2000, to remember a little bit before the year 2000 and then be a good age to enjoy the year 2000. That was an incredible year. My number one year after the 1990s.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/12/12 at 2:24 pm


Yeah I mean seriously how many of us are thinking about pop culture changes at age 4.  ;D.


no one.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/12/12 at 2:40 pm


no one.


Pop culture changes is irrelevant. It's the fact that at 4/5 people start experiencing pop culture. No need to get the words in a twist.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/12/12 at 2:45 pm


Yeah I mean seriously how many of us are thinking about pop culture changes at age 4.  ;D.


Yeah I mean seriously, how many of us, besides myself can actually read?  ;D ;D ;D

I never said ANYTHING per se about THINKING ABOUT CHANGES but I was rather referring to experiencing pop culture BEFORE the changes, and 4/5 is the age you start to be able to enjoy pop culture at a good level, at least in my experience.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/12/12 at 4:22 pm


I think this is a bit mean.


It's not mean at all to tell all these posers born in 1993 and later the facts. On their hand, they are being not only highly annoying but also dishonest when the say they experienced a lot of things BEFORE Britney Spears and Pokemon (nevermind that Malcolm In The Middle could be a 1990s show to them). It's almost as annoying at all the people acting as if Lady Gaga defines the noughties? Have people under 15 never heard of Coldplay? They were very popular in the early-mid 2000s when Lady Gaga was a nobody. Surprising how people seem to think that you know a decade by it's last 2 years only.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/12/12 at 4:28 pm


It's not mean at all to tell all these posers born in 1993 and later the facts.


It's mean to say that 1992ers know so much more about the 90's than '93ers.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/12/12 at 4:58 pm


It's mean to say that 1992ers know so much more about the 90's than '93ers.


Not necessarily "so much more" but enough to know what people born in 1993 didn't. There's a difference between Soundgarden/Power Rangers era culture and Britney Spears/Pokemon era culture whether they like it or not.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Starde on 09/12/12 at 8:40 pm


Well, it's more to do with the name "Millennials". And I'd disagree about it being a regular new years eve. There were countdowns and media hype for months leading up to it, even on children's networks like Nickelodeon. My family went to Disney World in the summer of '00 and it had a "2000" theme that year. Also movies like "Pokemon 2000", "Fantasia 2000", etc. The dot com bubble also peaked that year in March.


I went to Disneyland in late spring of '00 and I totally remember that "2000" theme they had going on. The whole Y2K phenomenon and paranoia were crazy in the last few weeks leading up to New Year's Eve '99 with people talking about the end of the world and whatnot. I remembered my mom bought into the whole thing and actually prepared a survival kit in case something happened. ;D I laugh every time when I think about that time period and how nothing happened at 12:00AM  1/1/00 while I watched Dick Clark's Rockin' New Year's Eve. I thought it was so cool to be going into a new decade, century and millenium. I remember a lot people having so much hope, positivity and excitement for the years to come. Good times.

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Written By: belmont22 on 09/13/12 at 4:52 am


It's not mean at all to tell all these posers born in 1993 and later the facts. On their hand, they are being not only highly annoying but also dishonest when the say they experienced a lot of things BEFORE Britney Spears and Pokemon (nevermind that Malcolm In The Middle could be a 1990s show to them). It's almost as annoying at all the people acting as if Lady Gaga defines the noughties? Have people under 15 never heard of Coldplay? They were very popular in the early-mid 2000s when Lady Gaga was a nobody. Surprising how people seem to think that you know a decade by it's last 2 years only.


I was born in 1990 and I'd even consider people born as late as 1997 part of Gen Y. IMO Gen Y is 1982-1997, I used to think it was more like 1980-1994 but I've kind of changed my mind.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: joeman on 09/13/12 at 7:40 am

IMO, I think people born up to 1998 are considered Y.  Most people born in that time where 3 years old when 9/11 happened.  Howe and Strauss considers first memories to be around that time.

I do think there is a difference between the younger Y and the older ones.  I do think the original Y is probably born between 1981-1985/6 and 86-88 are in the cusp between the younger ones and the older ones.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/13/12 at 7:59 am


IMO, I think people born up to 1998 are considered Y.  Most people born in that time where 3 years old when 9/11 happened.  Howe and Strauss considers first memories to be around that time.

I do think there is a difference between the younger Y and the older ones.  I do think the original Y is probably born between 1981-1985/6 and 86-88 are in the cusp between the younger ones and the older ones.


I don't think Gen Z culture really exists yet either. Carly Rae Jepsen, Skrillex and other early '10s things are late-end Gen Y culture imo

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/13/12 at 9:53 am

I'm an '87er and I definitely consider myself in the earlier wave of Y, I'd say all 80s borns could be except maybe 89.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/13/12 at 1:51 pm


I don't think Gen Z culture really exists yet either. Carly Rae Jepsen, Skrillex and other early '10s things are late-end Gen Y culture imo


IMO, Gen Z culture started in 2008. If your teenage years began with a Twitter message about Lady Gaga, you are Generation Z. And while memories may start at 3, how many people born in 1998 would really remember 9/11? Do you expect someone born in 1991 to remember Kurt Cobain's death? 1994/95 is the absolute latest I could accept.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/13/12 at 5:40 pm


And while memories may start at 3, how many people born in 1998 would really remember 9/11?


I agree. 3 is maybe an age when you are able to remember some stuff from that time but not political events. I was 3 and a few months when the Berlin Wall felt down and 4 and a few months when our country was reunified. It's sad, but I don't remember anything of it.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Starde on 09/13/12 at 6:49 pm


IMO, Gen Z culture started in 2008. If your teenage years began with a Twitter message about Lady Gaga, you are Generation Z. And while memories may start at 3, how many people born in 1998 would really remember 9/11? Do you expect someone born in 1991 to remember Kurt Cobain's death? 1994/95 is the absolute latest I could accept.


Exactly. Case in point, I have a younger sister born in 1998 and I asked her a few days ago if she remembered 9/11, not just being aware of the event because of all the news coverage in the days afterwards which she possibly could remember, but the actual day. She said no. I definitely consider her a Generation Zer. In my opinion, I think the last members of Gen Y were either 6 or 7 when 9/11 happened.



I agree. 3 is maybe an age when you are able to remember some stuff from that time but not political events. I was 3 and a few months when the Berlin Wall felt down and 4 and a few months when our country was reunified. It's sad, but I don't remember anything of it.


I agree with you there. For example, I remember some kid/personal things from when I was 4 in '95, but I don't remember more adult things like the Oklahoma City terrorist bombing or the OJ Simpson murder case during that year until I heard/learned about it a couple of years later.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/13/12 at 6:54 pm


Exactly. Case in point, I have a younger sister born in 1998 and I asked her a few days ago if she remembered 9/11, not just being aware of the event because of all the news coverage in the days afterwards which she possibly could remember, but the actual day. She said no. I definitely consider her a Generation Zer. In my opinion, I think the last members of Gen Y were either 6 or 7 when 9/11 happened.

Agreed. That comes back to what I said about 1994/95 being the latest. Those born in 1995 turned 6 in 2001, those born in 1994 turned 7.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/14/12 at 6:34 am


IMO, Gen Z culture started in 2008. If your teenage years began with a Twitter message about Lady Gaga, you are Generation Z. And while memories may start at 3, how many people born in 1998 would really remember 9/11? Do you expect someone born in 1991 to remember Kurt Cobain's death? 1994/95 is the absolute latest I could accept.


To be fair I wouldn't even expect someone born in 1986 to remember Cobain's death, most 8 years olds aren't really into grunge LOL

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/14/12 at 7:23 am


To be fair I wouldn't even expect someone born in 1986 to remember Cobain's death, most 8 years olds aren't really into grunge LOL


Depends on your interests that you have as a kid. I was indeed not into that music so I really didn't notice. If it was Elvis who died in 1994, I'd have noticed it because I really liked his music.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/14/12 at 2:10 pm


Depends on your interests that you have as a kid. I was indeed not into that music so I really didn't notice. If it was Elvis who died in 1994, I'd have noticed it because I really liked his music.


Agreed. And you don't even have to be interested to hear about something. By that logic, why not say that the people who studied the twin towers as a hobby are the only people who remember 9/11. The only time I recall seeing the twin towers before 2001 was in Home Alone 2 but that doesn't mean I don't remember 9/11.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/14/12 at 3:18 pm


The only time I recall seeing the twin towers before 2001 was in Home Alone 2


I was 15 when 9/11 happened. I have always known that there is a WTC existing in New York, but I didn't know that it were exactly those towers (which I have certainly seen before) until this day.

Simply because I was not yet interested that much in American cities during that time (and live in Germany).

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Emman on 09/14/12 at 4:21 pm


IMO, Gen Z culture started in 2008. If your teenage years began with a Twitter message about Lady Gaga, you are Generation Z. And while memories may start at 3, how many people born in 1998 would really remember 9/11? Do you expect someone born in 1991 to remember Kurt Cobain's death? 1994/95 is the absolute latest I could accept.


I actually think Millennial pop culture just got started around '08, you have to remember Gen X was mostly responsible for the pop culture of the '90s AND '00s, I consider those Gen X decades(their influences in music, fashion, ect mainly spanning from about 1986-2009). The Baby Boomers main dominance in pop culture was from the late '60s to late '80s, I think the Gen Y/Millennial generation's pop culture is just getting started(with the explosion of EDM and more upbeat pop culture). I think Millennials did start becoming a big consumer market in the late '90s with the teen pop explosion but overall most pop culture was still Gen X(with some first wave Millennials thrown in) dominated until around '08/'09.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/14/12 at 4:32 pm


I actually think Millennial pop culture just got started around '08, you have to remember Gen X was mostly responsible for the pop culture of the '90s AND '00s, I consider those Gen X decades(their influences in music, fashion, ect mainly spanning from about 1986-2009). The Baby Boomers main dominance in pop culture was from the late '60s to late '80s, I think the Gen Y/Millennial generation's pop culture is just getting started(with the explosion of EDM and more upbeat pop culture).


Someone born in 1976 would be over 30 in 2007. Someone born in 1971 would be over 35. Honestly, I think your "prime" pop culture years are 11-17 or thereabouts with 3/4-10 being your childhood pop culture and 18+ being your adulthood pop culture.  Just because someone was acting in a movie at age 33, doesn't mean they are teenagers, who are basically the people who are watching the movies as they are coming of age. The people who experience these cultural times as teenagers are mostly people born around 1993/94-1997.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/14/12 at 5:28 pm

There's no way Gen Y pop culture is just getting started. Saying the '00s were Gen X pop culture is so ridiculous, if you say that then I'm Gen X lol. The '00s was my teens and early 20s and thus my main pop culture. Sure today's singers are mainly born in the '80s, but their fans seem to born more in the mid '90s to early '00s. Totally different thing. Look at the top demographic for all the pop vids, it's all 13-17 year olds loving this stuff the most. Most Gen Yers are beyond current "mainstream" top 40 pop culture.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/14/12 at 5:52 pm


There's no way Gen Y pop culture is just getting started. Saying the '00s were Gen X pop culture is so ridiculous, if you say that then I'm Gen X lol. The '00s was my teens and early 20s and thus my main pop culture. Sure today's singers are mainly born in the '80s, but their fans seem to born more in the mid '90s to early '00s. Totally different thing. Look at the top demographic for all the pop vids, it's all 13-17 year olds loving this stuff the most. Most Gen Yers are beyond current "mainstream" top 40 pop culture.


Agreed. Someone born in 1984 for example was 24 when Lady Gaga came out. They didn't "grow up" with Twitter. A women over half a century old who listens to "Mercy" by Duffy at the gym doesn't really count in this sense IMO.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Emman on 09/14/12 at 7:14 pm

I think some of the posts misunderstood me, I am saying Millennials are becoming the main producers of pop culture, notice I said they emerged as a viable consumer market in music by the late '90s. I should also explain what I mean by Millennial, the full generation spans from 1982-2004, Gen Y is a shorter version of this(usually ending around '95), the first part of Gen Z is essentially the last wave of Millennials(late '90s/early '00s born). The Millennial generation will have the most influence on pop culture for about the next 15 years, of course the consumers of  most popular music are young teenagers today but they still fit into the Millennial generation as of 2012. You could say Millennials are divided into Gen Y and Gen Z.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/14/12 at 8:15 pm


I think some of the posts misunderstood me, I am saying Millennials are becoming the main producers of pop culture, notice I said they emerged as a viable consumer market in music by the late '90s. I should also explain what I mean by Millennial, the full generation spans from 1982-2004, Gen Y is a shorter version of this(usually ending around '95), the first part of Gen Z is essentially the last wave of Millennials(late '90s/early '00s born). The Millennial generation will have the most influence on pop culture for about the next 15 years, of course the consumers of  most popular music are young teenagers today but they still fit into the Millennial generation as of 2012. You could say Millennials are divided into Gen Y and Gen Z.


Are you sure that's right. I'm about 60% sure it was you that posted about millenials being K-12 in the year 2000 (could be wrong but Ill admit that I feel too lazy at the moment to check). Someone born in 2004, or even 2000 itself would be clueless about the year 2000. Do they remember any of the 2000 stuff? Even Sydney Olympics 2000? NO! Just like those born in 1981 or even 1979 (who you are marking as Gen X is guess) are too young to remember when/before music videos became a big part of pop culture. They were infants at best when "Video Killed The Radio Star" by The Buggles was popular.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 80'sKid on 09/15/12 at 4:01 am


Are you sure that's right. I'm about 60% sure it was you that posted about millenials being K-12 in the year 2000 (could be wrong but Ill admit that I feel too lazy at the moment to check). Someone born in 2004, or even 2000 itself would be clueless about the year 2000. Do they remember any of the 2000 stuff? Even Sydney Olympics 2000? NO! Just like those born in 1981 or even 1979 (who you are marking as Gen X is guess) are too young to remember when/before music videos became a big part of pop culture. They were infants at best when "Video Killed The Radio Star" by The Buggles was popular.


When were you born?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/15/12 at 4:50 am


When were you born?


I was born in the early evening. It's kind of cool to be born at night, rather than in the early afternoon or in the morning.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 80'sKid on 09/15/12 at 4:52 am


I was born in the early evening.


what year?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/15/12 at 4:56 am


what year?


A year that makes me old enough to be alive when Czechoslovakia was a country, but too young to be alive for the first Star Wars movie.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/15/12 at 3:22 pm


A year that makes me old enough to be alive when Czechoslovakia was a country, but too young to be alive for the first Star Wars movie.


30? ???

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/15/12 at 3:57 pm


30? ???


Does it matter? Besides, I like being somewhat mysterious  8) Let's just say I enjoyed the 90s and 00s.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/15/12 at 4:13 pm


30? ???


20 would also be possible.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/15/12 at 4:25 pm


20 would also be possible.


I am older than 20 years.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: NostalgicWanderer92 on 09/15/12 at 11:20 pm

I believe Generation Z began in 2000. I consider myself a Y'er. 92'er here. I can remember at least 1995-1999 before technology took over and changed our world forever.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/16/12 at 5:41 pm


I am older than 20 years.


25? and that's my final guess.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/16/12 at 5:55 pm


I believe Generation Z began in 2000. I consider myself a Y'er. 92'er here. I can remember at least 1995-1999 before technology took over and changed our world forever.


Yes you are definitley Y because by the time technology really took over (not a hard-edged transition but I tend to mark 2003 as the true beginning of the digital era) you were already 11.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/17/12 at 2:50 am


Yes you are definitley Y because by the time technology really took over (not a hard-edged transition but I tend to mark 2003 as the true beginning of the digital era) you were already 11.


The digital era began around 1979. Yers don't remember a time before digital technology.

And even if you argue that it was not that common at the beginning, digital technology was an aspect that defined the 90's. I grew-up with CDs, and CDs are not less digital than a smartphone.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/17/12 at 6:45 am

And even if you argue that it was not that common at the beginning, digital technology was an aspect that defined the 90's. I grew-up with CDs, and CDs are not less digital than a smartphone.

I grew up when cellphones looked like bricks.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/17/12 at 1:48 pm


The digital era began around 1979. Yers don't remember a time before digital technology.

And even if you argue that it was not that common at the beginning, digital technology was an aspect that defined the 90's. I grew-up with CDs, and CDs are not less digital than a smartphone.


Still, the 90s were hardly "advanced" by 2010s standards.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/17/12 at 2:09 pm


The digital era began around 1979. Yers don't remember a time before digital technology.

And even if you argue that it was not that common at the beginning, digital technology was an aspect that defined the 90's. I grew-up with CDs, and CDs are not less digital than a smartphone.


Cassettes were widely used in my household in the 90s. I remember speeding them up and using them to record songs. That is MUCH less digital than a smartphone.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/17/12 at 2:13 pm


Still, the 90s were hardly "advanced" by 2010s standards.


So will be the 2010s in the 2030s, or the 2000s in the 2020s.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/17/12 at 2:59 pm


So will be the 2010s in the 2030s, or the 2000s in the 2020s.


I kind of think that's picking at straws. The 1960s could easily be seen as "advanced" compared to the 1940s, the 1970s to the 1950s. Like I said, there's no hard-edged transition. I just personally consider 2003 to be the true beginning of the technology-indulgent world that we live in today.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: elr on 09/17/12 at 3:26 pm


The digital era began around 1979. Yers don't remember a time before digital technology.

And even if you argue that it was not that common at the beginning, digital technology was an aspect that defined the 90's. I grew-up with CDs, and CDs are not less digital than a smartphone.


I agree  :).  More accurate than any of these other posts which claim that anything before 2000 was not digital  ::)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/17/12 at 3:39 pm


I just personally consider 2003 to be the true beginning of the technology-indulgent world that we live in today.


In my opinion, that was more the late 90's.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/17/12 at 3:42 pm


I agree  :).  More accurate than any of these other posts which claim that anything before 2000 was not digital  ::)


Okay, maybe "technology-indulgent"  or something alone those lines would've been a better term than "digital". Like Uncoventional99 said, is a cassette tape on the same level as a smartphone? So even if my choice of word was poor somewhat, I think people can still distinguish between using a cassette tape in the 90s (and yes they did exist earlier but that doesn't mean they weren't regularly used) and using a smartphone today, a difference between being in the minority to even have dial-up internet in your house in 1992 against people having wireless internet connections at home today. Are you trying to say that the average people in 1999 spent hours uploading videos to YouTube and then making a Twitter comment about their new video (neither were around in 2003 either, but again, not a hard-edged transition, just my line in the sand) and even MySpace wasn't out yet until about 2003. So the eye-rolling back to you sir/madam  ::)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/17/12 at 3:45 pm


In my opinion, that was more the late 90's.


Each to their own. I did say it was where I PERSONALLY draw the line. I never said it was the official line. MySpace didn't exist in 1999 afer all. You couldn't get an Ipod unless you worked for Apple or something and I still used cassette tapes in 1999. And again, I didn't say the transition was hard-edged.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/17/12 at 3:53 pm


Okay, maybe "technology-indulgent"  or something alone those lines would've been a better term than "digital". Like Uncoventional99 said, is a cassette tape on the same level as a smartphone?


First of all, I never said cassettes. I was talking about CDs.

I was just wondering why you specifically picked 2003 as the start of the current era, while it is a common theory on this forum that the cultural shift happened around 1997/98.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/17/12 at 4:00 pm


First of all, I never said cassettes. I was talking about CDs.

I was just wondering why you specifically picked 2003 as the start of the current era, while it is a common theory on this forum that the cultural shift happened around 1997/98.


elr seemed to make an assumption that I was saying EVERYTHING before 2000 was non-digital. I never said such an extreme and I know DVDs came available in the 90s but at the same time people in the late 90s were more likely to use a regular wired phone like those in the 80s than an Ipod which came out in 2001. 1998 was certainly a big year in the computer world but the reason I choose 2003 is because it is around the time I noticed people using electronic technology a lot more quintessentially than they did in years previous.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: elr on 09/17/12 at 4:06 pm


elr seemed to make an assumption that I was saying EVERYTHING before 2000 was non-digital. I never said such an extreme and I know DVDs came available in the 90s but at the same time people in the late 90s were more likely to use a regular wired phone like those in the 80s than an Ipod which came out in 2001. 1998 was certainly a big year in the computer world but the reason I choose 2003 is because it is around the time I noticed people using electronic technology a lot more quintessentially than they did in years previous.


That comment wasn't directed at you, but on that note, I do find your posts a bit biased and inaccurate. 

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/17/12 at 4:11 pm


So the eye-rolling back to you sir/madam  ::)


My gender is clearly visible BTW.  ::) ;)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/17/12 at 4:12 pm


That comment wasn't directed at you, but on that note, I do find your posts a bit biased and inaccurate.


And in a lot of my posts, I have made it clear that they are PERSONALLY my experience so any so-called "inaccuruacy" is simply because not everyone makes the transitions at the same time. For example, not everyone purchased a DVD player the very same month it became available in the shops.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/17/12 at 4:14 pm


My gender is clearly visible BTW.  ::) ;)


elr comes up on my screen as a "guest". unless you and elr are the same person  ???

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: elr on 09/17/12 at 4:19 pm


And in a lot of my posts, I have made it clear that they are PERSONALLY my experience so any so-called "inaccuruacy" is simply because not everyone makes the transitions at the same time. For example, not everyone purchased a DVD player the very same month it became available in the shops.


Ok well, he said, she said.  I'm very nit picky when it comes to factual basis and critical thinking.  It's important to have an opinion, but when it goes against everything I experienced, then I sort of have a problem with it, let's just agree that we have our own opinions and individual life experiences, which influence our opinions I suppose.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/17/12 at 4:20 pm


elr comes up on my screen as a "guest". unless you and elr are the same person  ???


Alrighty, sorry, I have mixed-up the posts and quotes.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/17/12 at 4:24 pm


Ok well, he said, she said.  I'm very nit picky when it comes to factual basis and critical thinking.  It's important to have an opinion, but when it goes against everything I experienced, then I sort of have a problem with it, let's just agree that we have our own opinions and individual life experiences, which influence our opinions I suppose.


That's exactly what I thought.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/17/12 at 4:28 pm


Ok well, he said, she said.  I'm very nit picky when it comes to factual basis and critical thinking.  It's important to have an opinion, but when it goes against everything I experienced, then I sort of have a problem with it, let's just agree that we have our own opinions and individual life experiences, which influence our opinions I suppose.


Agreed.  :) I'll admit I am somewhat nit picky as well...actually largely nit picky in that sense, and that's probably what causes the disagreements. I think we can agree though that people make transitions at different times. It's a shame that you are only a guest because I might've given you a karma for clearing things up.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 90s was the gold on 09/17/12 at 4:50 pm

Actually, here's a thought. When it comes to defining an era as "technologically-indulgent" or whatever term you wish to use it really all depends on what items you claissify as "advanced". For example, to someone that grew up with records, CDs could seem like cutting-edge technology. But others will see them as physical items like records, and only consider intangible items such as mp3s as "advanced". I personally, see VHS as an "analogue" form of life because I see DVDs as "normal" today and Blu-ray as "advanced". 

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: DarthScorpio12 on 09/18/12 at 12:39 am

I, as well as some other sources consider generation z to have began in 1995. A baby born in 1995 wouldn't of started school till 2000, so it makes sense to me.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: StrawberrySundae on 09/18/12 at 1:10 am


I, as well as some other sources consider generation z to have began in 1995. A baby born in 1995 wouldn't of started school till 2000, so it makes sense to me.


Mmm yup. But doesn't the 21st century start in 2001 not 2000 like some believe?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/18/12 at 2:16 am


I, as well as some other sources consider generation z to have began in 1995. A baby born in 1995 wouldn't of started school till 2000, so it makes sense to me.


I've actually met people born in 1995, 1996 and they seem pretty Gen Y to me. They love South Park and Family Guy and hip hop. They are not really that different from someone born in the late 80s in terms of what kind of stuff they like IMO. So I would tend towards Gen Z maybe beginning somewhere in the 1998-2000 ballpark, but no doubt anyone born after the 90's can't be a Gen Yer.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/18/12 at 2:21 am


It's a shame that you are only a guest because I might've given you a karma for clearing things up.


Why have you deleted your account?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/18/12 at 7:00 am


Mmm yup. But doesn't the 21st century start in 2001 not 2000 like some believe?


Yes I believe so.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/18/12 at 7:01 am


Why have you deleted your account?


just let him go, I didn't like him quite defensive towards others. >:(

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Ashes Of The Wake on 09/18/12 at 7:02 pm


I've actually met people born in 1995, 1996 and they seem pretty Gen Y to me. They love South Park and Family Guy and hip hop. They are not really that different from someone born in the late 80s in terms of what kind of stuff they like IMO. So I would tend towards Gen Z maybe beginning somewhere in the 1998-2000 ballpark, but no doubt anyone born after the 90's can't be a Gen Yer.


I'm born in 1995 and graduating this year, and i noticed that alot of the kids my age are like what you described. once you start going into the younger grades at my school, they seem more Generation Z than Y. Don't forget, most of us kids born from 95-97 remember watching movies on VHS as a kid (My Family used VHS until 04-05 but got a DVD player in late 2002) and not using the internet until the middle of elementary school (3rd-4th grade-ish 2003-2005 era.) plus we still went outside everyday and rode bikes and played with toy guns. Alot of kids who were in elementary (Kindergarden/1st/2nd Grade) during 2001-2002 had Game Boy Colours with Pokemon games, and then when 2003 suddenly hit, suddenly everybody had a Game Boy Advance (i got mine for christmas in 2002 and still have it after 10 years <3 its indigo coloured :p ) ; plus people my age always talk about games they grew up on the  Nintendo 64. TV-Wise, we mostly grew up with the same cartoons and tv shows that 90s kids did ; most of us will remember some songs on that were played on top 40 radio.

So Basically, i'm saying that Generation Y has more in common with people who grew up in late 90s and early 2000s than someone from Generation Z.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/19/12 at 3:09 am


So Basically, i'm saying that Generation Y has more in common with people who grew up in late 90s and early 2000s than someone from Generation Z.


But you didn't really grow-up in the late 90's. You were growing-up in the 2000's and weren't a teenager until 2008. You childhood did not only span the early 00's.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/21/12 at 12:21 am


But you didn't really grow-up in the late 90's. You were growing-up in the 2000's and weren't a teenager until 2008. You childhood did not only span the early 00's.


Exactly. The people who were "growing up" with childhood in the late 90s were mainly people who were 6-10 at some point in 1998. So 1987-1992.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/21/12 at 12:27 am

It's hard to say when Generation Z begins but as someone who was born June 11th, 1982, I was about 9 when the World Wide Web was introduced so I experienced a solid block of life before the www was big and by the time is was somewhat culturally substantial around 1997 (maybe even a little later actually), I was already 15. And by the time things really got serious with Facebook and such, is was already well in my 20s. I would say 1996 is the absolute latest starting year for generation z because not only has the world wide web been around for their whole life, they weren't very old when things world wide web got serious.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/21/12 at 12:32 pm


It's hard to say when Generation Z begins but as someone who was born June 11th, 1982, I was about 9 when the World Wide Web was introduced so I experienced a solid block of life before the www was big and by the time is was somewhat culturally substantial around 1997 (maybe even a little later actually), I was already 15. And by the time things really got serious with Facebook and such, is was already well in my 20s. I would say 1996 is the absolute latest starting year for generation z because not only has the world wide web been around for their whole life, they weren't very old when things world wide web got serious.


The thing is I don't see Generation Y as being defined by being able to remember the 80's and early 90's and a time without Internet, I see Gen Y as being defined by sharing a popular culture. The people I have met born in the mid 1990s largely enjoy the same music, movies, and TV people born in the 80's and early 90's do. If a 1994 born person is a Gen Zer, than someone born in 1957 is a Gen Xer just because they were too young to be a hippie. Obviously no generation will have a uniform exactly-the-same experience, which is why some people think generations are a stupid concept to start with.

I was born in 1990, so I guess I feel close to both 80's and 90's born people alike. I would say late 80s/early 90s is the centre of Gen Y.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/21/12 at 1:01 pm


The people I have met born in the mid 1990s largely enjoy the same music, movies, and TV people born in the 80's and early 90's do.


Maybe today, but what did they watch when they were kids or teenagers (which they still are)? I think there will be huge differences - especially when it comes to age gaps which are bigger than lets say 5 years.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/21/12 at 3:54 pm


Maybe today, but what did they watch when they were kids or teenagers (which they still are)? I think there will be huge differences - especially when it comes to age gaps which are bigger than lets say 5 years.


When they were kids? I'd say the kids' shows would be quite different but not so much the adult shows.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/21/12 at 4:40 pm


The thing is I don't see Generation Y as being defined by being able to remember the 80's and early 90's and a time without Internet, I see Gen Y as being defined by sharing a popular culture. The people I have met born in the mid 1990s largely enjoy the same music, movies, and TV people born in the 80's and early 90's do. If a 1994 born person is a Gen Zer, than someone born in 1957 is a Gen Xer just because they were too young to be a hippie. Obviously no generation will have a uniform exactly-the-same experience, which is why some people think generations are a stupid concept to start with.

I was born in 1990, so I guess I feel close to both 80's and 90's born people alike. I would say late 80s/early 90s is the centre of Gen Y.


I don't mean to make a big fuss or anything but pop culture that the mid-1990s borns enjoyed was different to those born in the 1980s, especially early 1980s (1980-1982 like me).

At 6 years old, I saw Oliver & Company, before someone born in 1994 was alive. As a 6 year old, someone born in 1994 saw Pokemon: The Movie 2000. At that stage, I was 18, an adult basically. I did not "share" Pokemon with someone born in 1994.

At 14 years old, I danced the Macarena. As a 14 year old, someone born in 1994 stalked Lady Gaga. At that stage I was 26, hardly even a "young" adult anymore. I did not "share" Lady Gaga with someone born in 1994 who was 2 in 1996.

I'm not saying you perspective is wrong, but to be convincing you'd need to enlighten on what movies and music we "shared" because Full House with Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen doesn't seem to be the same popular culture as Wipeout.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/21/12 at 5:02 pm


I don't mean to make a big fuss or anything but pop culture that the mid-1990s borns enjoyed was different to those born in the 1980s, especially early 1980s (1980-1982 like me).

At 6 years old, I saw Oliver & Company, before someone born in 1994 was alive. As a 6 year old, someone born in 1994 saw Pokemon: The Movie 2000. At that stage, I was 18, an adult basically. I did not "share" Pokemon with someone born in 1994.

At 14 years old, I danced the Macarena. As a 14 year old, someone born in 1994 stalked Lady Gaga. At that stage I was 26, hardly even a "young" adult anymore. I did not "share" Lady Gaga with someone born in 1994 who was 2 in 1996.

I'm not saying you perspective is wrong, but to be convincing you'd need to enlighten on what movies and music we "shared" because Full House with Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen doesn't seem to be the same popular culture as Wipeout.


Of course you wouldn't share everything, 1982 and 1994 are on two opposite ends of a generation. It's just like my mom didn't grow up with The Platters and Sam Cooke (at least not first-hand), born in 1963 like her older sister born in 1946 might have. But they're still the same generation and would have shared many of the same things, such as the Beatles, enough that you could still call them the same generation. I don't think someone born in 1994 has more in common with a baby born in 2010 than they do with someone born in 1982 though they probably have more in common with an early Gen Zer born in say 2000 than with you yes.

Someone born in 1982 and someone born in 1994 would both share a lot of key things, such as being young when the Internet became big, fair enough in your case, a teenager vs extremely young for a 1994er, but still. Also 1982ers and 1994ers are both highly likely to be fans of hip hop and alternative music. All I'm saying is in a broad sense, I think mid 1990s born are still very late members of the same generation as someone born in 1982.

Actually come to think of it, I'd say of anything 1982 is more part Gen X, than 1994 is Gen Z. I consider Oliver and Company more Gen X pop culture, Mary Kate and Ashley and Full House would be borderline Gen X/Gen Y as their biggest fans would be 1986-1990 born but potentially as far back as the late 70's.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/21/12 at 5:03 pm


I don't mean to make a big fuss or anything but pop culture that the mid-1990s borns enjoyed was different to those born in the 1980s, especially early 1980s (1980-1982 like me).


Exactly. That's what I mean. I also can't really relate to stuff that mid-90's people enjoyed during their childhood.

And let it just be the very late 90's/early 2000's culture that I could experience as a teen while they were just kids.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/21/12 at 6:10 pm


Exactly. That's what I mean. I also can't really relate to stuff that mid-90's people enjoyed during their childhood.

And let it just be the very late 90's/early 2000's culture that I could experience as a teen while they were just kids.


THIS! Late 90s is all they would share with the early 80s group (1980-1982), if anything. In 2000 I turned 18, I was an adult, they were still in their earlier part of childhood (1993-1996 borns turned 7-4 in 2000).

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/21/12 at 6:18 pm

I was born in 1987 and I do not relate to today's teenagers, maybe you guys born in 1990 do but don't be dragging me into it.  ::)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/21/12 at 6:48 pm

I'm born in 1990 and I don't connect well with people born after 1992 *shrug* (let's just say the high school class of 2010 is the last I can fully relate to.) Idk if it's a simple age gap thing or a generational thing. Someone born in 1987 would probably say the same thing about people born after 1989. From my personal perspective, 1989 to 1991/2 almost seems like it's own sub-generation, but that's probably because my age is centered in that range.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/21/12 at 7:15 pm


I'm born in 1990 and I don't connect well with people born after 1992 *shrug* (let's just say the high school class of 2010 is the last I can fully relate to.) Idk if it's a simple age gap thing or a generational thing. Someone born in 1987 would probably say the same thing about people born after 1989. From my personal perspective, 1989 to 1991/2 almost seems like it's own sub-generation, but that's probably because my age is centered in that range.


Yeah personally I feel closer to '84/'85ers than '90 or '91, though you're still close too. I guess a big thing for me is we were part of the early '00s teen generation which I shared with ~ 84-88ers or so. The fact that I was a teen on 9/11 and in high school and '90ers weren't yet just makes a little bit of a gap to me.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 2:29 am


I was born in 1987 and I do not relate to today's teenagers, maybe you guys born in 1990 do but don't be dragging me into it.  ::)


I didn't want to say it that directly, but ... I agree with this.  ;)

Yeah personally I feel closer to '84/'85ers than '90 or '91, though you're still close too.

4 years - or even 3 years is definetly an age gap when you are young. And when I remember back, 1990ers and even 89ers were once the little kids in our neighborhood. However that normalizes when you are turning ~20 or ~16/17 respectively.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/22/12 at 4:17 am

I don't strongly relate to today's teens but I don't think they have an immensely different pop culture either, at least not the older teens, someone born in 1999 is a different story than someone born in 1993 probably yes. If you ever talk to an 18 year old you'll probably find that enjoy a lot of the same music and TV shows as you do. I will say people younger than 18 seem even more technology-addicted than 80's and early 90's born people do, in fact quite a few people my age are almost Luddite about using the Internet and harp about 'fresh air' and 'real friends' and stuff (how dare they  ;D ). Though then again the stereotype all teens are constantly online/texting isn't totally true, my 18 year old little sister doesn't even have a Facebook anymore but I do because it's a convenient way to keep in touch with my friends, most of whom live far away or I don't see often in real life if they do live close.

Obviously someone born in 1986 is going to have a hugely different experience from someone born in 1998, but I don't think there's too much of a difference between say 1989 and 1992, only as much as 3 years can make but no more.

I'd still say they're not a completely different generation aside from the youngest teens. I still don't think Generation Z culture even exists yet - how is One Direction fundamentally different from 98 Degrees or Twilight fundamentally different from Buffy. There's tons of 1995 borns who love Eminem and Blink 182. The childhood experience is probably what diverges the most. I grew up watching Hey Arnold, All That, Are You Afraid of the Dark?, Even Stevens, Lizzie McGuire, and Disney Renaissance movies like The Lion King and Aladdin, they grew up watching Hannah Montana, Suite Life Of Zach and Cody and That's So Raven.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. My theory is that a person's 'personal generation' is about 7-8 years in either direction of their birth, so mine would be 1982-1997 or so, and someone born in 1986 would see 1978-1992 born or thereabouts as being their 'personal' generation. I think that's probably why I have a slightly different concept of Generation Y than you do Brian and Vagen.

Did I mention italicizing things is really fun?  ;D

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 4:51 am


and someone born in 1986 would see 1978-1992 born or thereabouts as being their 'personal' generation.


I will ask my sister what she thinks about that. She was born in 1978 and had a different, less technologized child- and 'teenhood'. I think she is already another, slightly older generation since that's nearly a decade difference. 1982-90 is more my cohort where I feel comfortable in.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/22/12 at 5:42 am


I will ask my sister what she thinks about that. She was born in 1978 and had a different, less technologized child- and 'teenhood'. I think she is already another, slightly older generation since that's nearly a decade difference. 1982-90 is more my cohort where I feel comfortable in.


Interesting. Yes she would be a late end Gen Xer.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 2:24 pm


I will ask my sister what she thinks about that. She was born in 1978 and had a different, less technologized child- and 'teenhood'. I think she is already another, slightly older generation since that's nearly a decade difference. 1982-90 is more my cohort where I feel comfortable in.


Okay, if you're "comfortable" with me, let's talk about Care Bears episodes from 1986. You were just a baby and are too young to remember stuff that I remember, but hey, you said you are "comfortable" with me. Let's go diapers! lol

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 2:34 pm


Okay, if you're "comfortable" with me, let's talk about Care Bears episodes from 1986. You were just a baby and are too young to remember stuff that I remember, but hey, you said you are "comfortable" with me. Let's go diapers! lol


Same goes for 90ers who were too young for some of my stuff. That's balancing it.
I have already mentioned exactly your point a few posts before. And you are right:


4 years - or even 3 years is definetly an age gap when you are young. And when I remember back, 1990ers and even 89ers were once the little kids in our neighborhood. However that normalizes when you are turning ~20 or ~16/17 respectively.


But when I was talking about 'to be comfortable with' I meant the current time and not our youth or childhood.



Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/22/12 at 2:47 pm

I mean come on, anyone can say "you wouldn't remember things I liked when I was 4". That has nothing to do with the birth year or generation, that's just a simple age gap. Jenny1982 wouldn't remember episodes of the Smurfs from 1982 like someone born in 1978 could.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/22/12 at 2:51 pm


I mean come on, anyone can say "you wouldn't remember things I liked when I was 4". That has nothing to do with the birth year or generation, that's just a simple age gap. Jenny1982 wouldn't remember episodes of the Smurfs from 1982 like someone born in 1978 could.


Yeah it's all relative. I can remember some things from the early '90s, '90ers can't. '90ers can remember some from the mid '90s while '93ers can't and so on.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 2:52 pm


I mean come on, anyone can say "you wouldn't remember things I liked when I was 4". That has nothing to do with the birth year or generation, that's just a simple age gap. Jenny1982 wouldn't remember episodes of the Smurfs from 1982 like someone born in 1978 could.


But I do feel that 1982 along with 1980 and 1981 are the X/Y cusp. That's the issue I have. I see us as seperate from 1983 onwards. We are the EARLY 80s borns.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 3:00 pm


But I do feel that 1982 along with 1980 and 1981 are the X/Y cusp. That's the issue I have. I see us as seperate from 1983 onwards. We are the EARLY 80s borns.


The age gap between 82 and 86 is still not bigger than the one between 86 to 90  ::)

What are the memories that make you that seperate from all the others born after 82?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/22/12 at 3:02 pm


But I do feel that 1982 along with 1980 and 1981 are the X/Y cusp. That's the issue I have. I see us as seperate from 1983 onwards. We are the EARLY 80s borns.


Fair enough I guess since you're close to X.

I almost think Gen Y comes in 3-year sub-cycles.

1980, 1981, 1982 = X/Y Cusp
1983, 1984, 1985 = First cycle of pure Y
1986, 1987, 1988 = Central cycle of pure Y
1989, 1990, 1991 = Last cycle of pure Y
1992, 1993, 1994 = Y/Z Cusp

Each group was the right (peak) age when certain Gen Y fads came along...the 86-88ers for Power Rangers, the 89-91ers for Pokemon, etc. But the important thing is they are all still Gen Y. That's just my perspective though. Someone else might shift the boundaries based on when they were born and who they feel they relate to.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 3:05 pm


The age gap between 82 and 86 is still not bigger than the one between 86 to 90  ::)

What are the memories that make you that seperate from all the others born after 82?


When my teenage years began, it was 1995. The internet wasn't really big. When someone born in 1986 became a teenager it was 1999. Cuture started to become more internet-orientated then. The point is I didn't really grow up with the internet. Someone born in 1986 was a teenager during the golden days of internet culture.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 3:09 pm


Fair enough I guess since you're close to X.

I almost think Gen Y comes in 3-year sub-cycles.

1980, 1981, 1982 = X/Y Cusp
1983, 1984, 1985 = First cycle of pure Y
1986, 1987, 1988 = Central cycle of pure Y
1989, 1990, 1991 = Last cycle of pure Y
1992, 1993, 1994 = Y/Z Cusp

Each group was the right (peak) age when certain Gen Y fads came along...the 86-88ers for Power Rangers, the 89-91ers for Pokemon, etc. But the important thing is they are all still Gen Y. That's just my perspective though. Someone else might shift the boundaries based on when they were born and who they feel they relate to.


I would personally make some tweaks. 1986 is mid-80s, not late 80s. 1989 is late 80s, not early 90s. And 1992 is early 90s, not mid-90s. If I could enjoy Care Bears in 1986 what stops someone born in 1992 from enjoying a show in 1996? I would still say 1992 are pure Y. 1993 is the start of the cusp, that's the mid-90s.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/22/12 at 3:13 pm

Anybody can make any claim they want to about their birth year and say they're a different generation, it's pretty stupid tbh.  ::)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 3:16 pm


When someone born in 1986 became a teenager it was 1999. Cuture started to become more internet-orientated then. The point is I didn't really grow up with the internet. Someone born in 1986 was a teenager during the golden days of internet culture.


It's not that the people born after 82 don't remember a time without the internet. That would indeed be a big generational gap. I still spend all of my childhood without it.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 3:19 pm


Anybody can make any claim they want to about their birth year and say they're a different generation, it's pretty stupid tbh.  ::)


Well, if it's stupid why does this thread exist in the first place?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/22/12 at 3:23 pm


Well, if it's stupid why does this thread exist in the first place?


It's stupid for a bunch of adults to be arguing over their birth years. I admit I've gotten wrapped up in it a few times but after a while it just looks ridiculous. It's like my mom going to my dad "yeah people born in '49 had such a different experience from you '52ers".  ::)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/22/12 at 3:27 pm


I would personally make some tweaks. 1986 is mid-80s, not late 80s. 1989 is late 80s, not early 90s. And 1992 is early 90s, not mid-90s. If I could enjoy Care Bears in 1986 what stops someone born in 1992 from enjoying a show in 1996? I would still say 1992 are pure Y. 1993 is the start of the cusp, that's the mid-90s.


The idea of arranging it according to early, mid, and late seems rather arbitrary and convenience-based rather than sociology-based, but in all fairness, so is the concept of 3-year cycles. I don't think someone would be more or less likely to enjoy a fad just because their birth year has a 8 in the 3rd column instead of a 9, or because it was mathematically in the middle instead of the early or late. Suppose Jesus had been born a year earlier and the year was now 2013 instead of 2012 and your birth year was 1983 instead of 1982...holding all else constant, would your experience have been different from the new 81-82ers (who were formerly in the 80-82 group with you) simply because your birth year had a 3 in it?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/22/12 at 3:30 pm


It's stupid for a bunch of adults to be arguing over their birth years. I admit I've gotten wrapped up in it a few times but after a while it just looks ridiculous. It's like my mom going to my dad "yeah people born in '49 had such a different experience from you '52ers".  ::)


Haha I agree, but I still find it fascinating to talk about. People who never considered this kind of stuff would probably stumble upon these threads and think we're ridiculous and being overly analytical (...and I couldn't argue against them :D)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 3:31 pm


Well, if it's stupid why does this thread exist in the first place?


It definetly does not exist to discuss about 'generational' gaps within a 4-year-time frame.

If I'd talk with a 90er about my great 1990 memories and told him 'what he has missed' I'd just feel ridiculous.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/22/12 at 3:33 pm


I was born in 1987 and I do not relate to today's teenagers, maybe you guys born in 1990 do but don't be dragging me into it.  ::)


You should relate to young adults who were born before 1987.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/22/12 at 3:34 pm


It definetly does not exist to discuss about 'generational' gaps within a 4-year-time frame.

If I'd talk with a 90er about my great 1990 memories and tell him 'what he has missed' I'd just feel ridiculous.


Yeah some people have this weird obsession here with being 4 years old, I don't get it.  ;D A time you can barely remember, but some are obsessed with it.  ??? I'm not obsessed with my memories from '91 because I can only BARELY remember it.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/22/12 at 3:35 pm


Well, if it's stupid why does this thread exist in the first place?


We need a place to vent our frustrations.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 4:33 pm


Yeah some people have this weird obsession here with being 4 years old, I don't get it.  ;D A time you can barely remember, but some are obsessed with it.  ??? I'm not obsessed with my memories from '91 because I can only BARELY remember it.


I remember 1986 quite well actually.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 4:38 pm


I remember 1986 quite well actually.


And I remember 1990 and all those guys born in that year are still in diapers because I was already THAT old and perfectly understood the world.  ::)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 4:46 pm


And I remember 1990 and all those guys born in that year are still in diapers because I was already THAT old and perfectly understood the world.  ::)


Well I can remember Care Bears. With my memory if I was born in 1986 I should've still remembered MC Hammer. So you are right.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 4:51 pm


Well I can remember Care Bears. With my memory if I was born in 1986 I should've still remembered MC Hammer. So you are right.


I also remember Care Bears by the way. I don't have to be born at a specific time to remember something which has been recorded on tape.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 4:54 pm


I also remember Care Bears by the way. I don't have to be born at a specific time to remember something which has been recorded on tape.


But when I was watching in 1986, the episodes were ***NEW*** not old.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 5:05 pm


But when I was watching in 1986, the episodes were ***NEW*** not old.


Where is the difference?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/22/12 at 5:07 pm

What's so special about remembering Care Bears anyway?  ???

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 5:09 pm


What's so special about remembering Care Bears anyway?  ???


Seems to be a big generational gap, if you don't.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 5:10 pm


What's so special about remembering Care Bears anyway?  ???


My point is, I remember experiencing 1986.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/12 at 5:21 pm


My point is, I remember experiencing 1986.


My sister remembers 1982 and she is still living.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 5:26 pm


My sister remembers 1982 and she is still living.


Good for her. Just remember, I wasn't the one who started this thread in the first place.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/22/12 at 5:28 pm

What's so special about 1986?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 5:32 pm


What's so special about 1986?


The Care Bears were airing new episodes in 1986, I didn't have to watch a recorded tape in 1990 to know about them.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: af2010 on 09/22/12 at 6:22 pm


Okay, if you're "comfortable" with me, let's talk about Care Bears episodes from 1986. You were just a baby and are too young to remember stuff that I remember, but hey, you said you are "comfortable" with me. Let's go diapers! lol


I remember watching TMNT as a 4 year-old back in '91... you '91ers will never relate!

Seriously though, all Inlandsvagen is saying is that RIGHT NOW he can relate to people born as early as ~ '82.  He didn't say he could relate to you in '86.  The point is that the age gap tends to be less noticeable the older you get.  The shows I watched when I was 4 have very little to do with my life today.  Maybe they had a major influence on your life, but for most people they're just vague childhood memories that become less and less relevant.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/22/12 at 9:01 pm

I think you have to be talking about at least 8 years before there's truly a generation gap. The oldest people I feel a 'gap' with might be 1997-born to an extent. I recall talking to a teenage girl and she told me she was born in 1997 (I thought she was at least 18!) and she was telling me how she had a Tamagotchi. I told her I had one in the year she was born, which truly made me feel old despite the fact I was technically born in the same decade as her. It also made me understand why someone born in 1982 might see me as being very young though it gets kinda ridiculous when you're talking people born 1985+ saying 1990ers are 'like babies'.

However, I couldn't truly consider her a different generation because at least she had a Tamagotchi. A true Gen Zer imo would see a Tamagotchi, a classic Gen Y toy, the same way I'd see a pet rock.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/22/12 at 9:24 pm

Being born in 1990 kind of sucks ass...people just see the "9" in the third column of your birth year and make generalizations about you and lump you in with the late 90s-born people. My birthday is at the end of October so I can't even claim to have been conceived in the '80s! ;D

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/22/12 at 9:49 pm


Being born in 1990 kind of sucks ass...people just see the "9" in the third column of your birth year and make generalizations about you and lump you in with the late 90s-born people. My birthday is at the end of October so I can't even claim to have been conceived in the '80s! ;D


Yeah I've always kind of had an inferiority complex, especially since I was born in January, though at least my mom was pregnant with me mostly in 1989 so I really did exist for much of that year. I wonder if that's common for people born in the first year of a decade. It's like um, just because I was technically born in the '90s people might assume I have more in common with a 13 year old or even a kid born in the 2000's than I do with someone a month younger than me!

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/22/12 at 10:28 pm


Yeah I've always kind of had an inferiority complex, especially since I was born in January, though at least my mom was pregnant with me mostly in 1989 so I really did exist for much of that year. I wonder if that's common for people born in the first year of a decade. It's like um, just because I was technically born in the '90s people might assume I have more in common with a 13 year old or even a kid born in the 2000's than I do with someone a month younger than me!


You meant to say a month older than you right?

I have a friend born June 1989 and another born April 1992. We were talking about Lisa Whelchel being on Survivor this season and my 1992 friend said he had never heard of The Facts of Life. My 1989 friend said something like "I'm surprised you've never heard of it, but then again you were born in the '90s so I guess it makes sense". I was like "I resent that!" :D (I remember watching The Facts of Life on Nick@Nite a lot back around 2000).

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/22/12 at 10:29 pm


You meant to say a month older than you right?

I have a friend born June 1989 and another born April 1992. We were talking about Lisa Whelchel being on Survivor this season and my 1992 friend said he had never heard of The Facts of Life. My 1989 friend said something like "I'm surprised you've never heard of it, but then again you were born in the '90s so I guess it makes sense". I was like "I resent that!" :D (I remember watching The Facts of Life on Nick@Nite a lot back around 2000).


Yes I meant older. Actually, I knew about Facts of Life from Nick At Nite too but I wasn't watching NAN much by 2000.  ;D Yeah that's the silly kind of cliqueish birth-year behavior that's annoying.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/22/12 at 10:31 pm


I was like "I resent that!" :D (I remember watching The Facts of Life on Nick@Nite a lot back around 2000).


Haha I watched it then too.  8)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/22/12 at 10:32 pm

I still watch N@N and TVLand ;D I love family sitcoms.

btw, I also have a friend who was literally born on January 1, 1990. I've teased him before that if he was born just a few hours earlier, he could claim to have lived in the '80s :P

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/22/12 at 10:36 pm


Being born in 1990 kind of sucks ass...people just see the "9" in the third column of your birth year and make generalizations about you and lump you in with the late 90s-born people. My birthday is at the end of October so I can't even claim to have been conceived in the '80s! ;D


I was born in spring '87 and I kinda resent how late '80s babies are seen as inferior by other 80s babies especially since I'm still so close to mid '80s. I don't have it that much better than '90ers LOL.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/22/12 at 10:39 pm


Yes I meant older. Actually, I knew about Facts of Life from Nick At Nite too but I wasn't watching NAN much by 2000.  ;D Yeah that's the silly kind of cliqueish birth-year behavior that's annoying.


I'm not sure if he was necessarily being "cliquish" about it, but it was just odd how he said that as if someone with a 9 in the third column of their birth year could be so different from him when he himself was born with just half a year left to go of the 80s!

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 10:42 pm


I was born in spring '87 and I kinda resent how late '80s babies are seen as inferior by other 80s babies especially since I'm still so close to mid '80s. I don't have it that much better than '90ers LOL.


You weren't even born yet when I was watching Care Bears in 1986. So can you understand why I am a different generation to you?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/22/12 at 10:44 pm


I'm not sure if he was necessarily being "cliquish" about it, but it was just odd how he said that as if someone with a 9 in the third column of their birth year could be so different from him when he himself was born with just half a year left to go of the 80s!


Jesus was probably born in like 5 BC anyways so 1989 and 1992 both are probably 199x years after the birth of Christ!  ;D

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Brian06 on 09/22/12 at 10:45 pm


You weren't even born yet when I was watching Care Bears in 1986. So can you understand why I am a different generation to you?


:P You were 4 years old then but whatever you want to think.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/22/12 at 10:45 pm

Care Bears could never be as awesome as the Power Rangers anyways.  8)

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 10:58 pm


Care Bears could never be as awesome as the Power Rangers anyways.  8)


Did Power Rangers have a pie man for a villian?

http://images.wikia.com/carebears/images/4/47/Sour_Sam.jpg

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/22/12 at 11:03 pm


Did Power Rangers have a pie man for a villian?

http://images.wikia.com/carebears/images/4/47/Sour_Sam.jpg


No, I'll give you that. But did Care Bears have a sexy pink ranger?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/22/12 at 11:09 pm


No, I'll give you that. But did Care Bears have a sexy pink ranger?


A ranger would've been cool. Maybe a spin-off of the two shows could be made. The Care Rangers.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: af2010 on 09/23/12 at 1:24 am


I think you have to be talking about at least 8 years before there's truly a generation gap.


I think that depends on the person's age.  16/17 year-old 95ers aren't exactly my 'peer group'.  In fact, I don't think I even know anyone that age.  Maybe in like ten years, when I'm in my mid-30s and they're getting into their late 20s, but right now I don't really see anyone more than ~ 5 years older/younger as a peer.


Being born in 1990 kind of sucks ass...people just see the "9" in the third column of your birth year and make generalizations about you and lump you in with the late 90s-born people. My birthday is at the end of October so I can't even claim to have been conceived in the '80s! ;D


Hey, at least you can say you were born in the 20th century (or 2nd millenium for that matter).  Think of how the people born in the early 2000s will feel, being grouped in with those darn 2999ers ;D.  And you'll probably be glad later on; even people born in the early 70s still seem somewhat young to me (maybe not quite 'young', but definitely not old), but the late 60s... just the fact that they existed in the 60s makes them seem a lot older. (sorry to anyone born in the 60s ;))

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/23/12 at 1:41 am


I think that depends on the person's age.  16/17 year-old 95ers aren't exactly my 'peer group'.  In fact, I don't think I even know anyone that age.  Maybe in like ten years, when I'm in my mid-30s and they're getting into their late 20s, but right now I don't really see anyone more than ~ 5 years older/younger as a peer.

Hey, at least you can say you were born in the 20th century (or 2nd millenium for that matter).  Think of how the people born in the early 2000s will feel ;D.  And you'll probably be glad later on; even people born in the early 70s still seem somewhat young to me (maybe not quite 'young', but definitely not old), but the late 60s... just the fact that they existed in the 60s makes them seem a lot older. (sorry to anyone born in the 60s ;))


What year were you born btw? I've met some mid 90s born and they do seem somewhat different I'm not going to lie but I doubt they're more similar to someone born in 2005 than to a late 80's or early 90's born.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: af2010 on 09/23/12 at 1:48 am


What year were you born btw? I've met some mid 90s born and they do seem somewhat different I'm not going to lie but I doubt they're more similar to someone born in 2005 than to a late 80's or early 90's born.


1987.  And I would also doubt that mid 90s born are more similar to someone born in 2005, since the age gap would be bigger (and that's what really matters imo).

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/23/12 at 2:28 am


You weren't even born yet when I was watching Care Bears in 1986. So can you understand why I am a different generation to you?


I consider those a different generation who were born in 1994+... That was when I was really doing stuff. I was at school and remember the time clearly. We never really had childhood in the same era (when they were 5, I was 13), we weren't teenagers together (when they were 13, I was 21) and we don't/didn't even come of age in the same decade.

4 years is just mean. We spend most of our childhood/teenage time in the same era just with a 4-year shift. I was 3-12 from 1989-1999 and you were from 1985-1995. I was a teenager from 1999-2006 and you were from 1995-2002. What's the big deal? I wouldn't say anything if you had spent all of your childhood before my birth or if you had been already an adult before I had become a teenager... but that's not the case.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/23/12 at 2:44 am


I consider those a different generation who were born in 1994+... That was when I was really doing stuff. I was at school and remember the time clearly. We never really had childhood in the same era (when they were 5, I was 13), we weren't teenagers together (when they were 13, I was 21) and we don't/didn't even come of age in the same decade.

4 years is just mean. We spend most of our childhood/teenage time in the same era just with a 4-year shift. I was 3-12 from 1989-1999 and you were from 1985-1995. I was a teenager from 1999-2006 and you were from 1995-2002. What's the big deal? I wouldn't say anything if you had spent all of your childhood before my birth or if you had been already an adult before I had become a teenager... but that's not the case.


You could debate age 3 to be a toddler and not really a 'child' in the same sense. You could also debate 11 and 12 in a similar way since studies have shown that the average person enters puberty around their 11th birthday (often 10 for girls, 11 for boys). This makes my childhood 1986-1992 and my 'coming-of-age' years 1993-1999. This would make the majority of my childhood the 80s, yours the 90s (1990-1996). Your 11-17 years are 1997-2003, mostly the 2000s, unlike myself.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/23/12 at 3:18 am


This would make the majority of my childhood the 80s,


Funny how high people value age 0-8. IMO the real childhood starts not earlier than at age 8. That's also the reason why I have the best memories from age 8-11. Anything before is far away.

+ Thank God I am not 30 yet and 'care' about Care Bears.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: belmont22 on 09/23/12 at 3:26 am


Funny how high people value age 0-8. IMO the real childhood starts not earlier than at age 8. That's also the reason why I have the best memories from age 8-11. Anything before is far away.


Sort of depends on how sharp your memory is too. I was pretty lucid at 6 years old, I can remember being 6 like it was yesterday. 4 and 5 years old is a bit duller for sure but it's still surprisingly clear in parts.

I will always consider 1996 more 'my childhood' than 2001, though 2001 is still my late childhood I guess. I'm sure many people my age might feel different, especially if they only have younger siblings.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/23/12 at 3:35 am


Sort of depends on how sharp your memory is too. I was pretty lucid at 6 years old, I can remember being 6 like it was yesterday. 4 and 5 years old is a bit duller for sure but it's still surprisingly clear in parts.

I will always consider 1996 more 'my childhood' than 2001, though 2001 is still my late childhood I guess. I'm sure many people my age might feel different, especially if they only have younger siblings.


Of course I remember the early 90's as being my early-mid childhood, and some events even as if they were yesterday, but it just was not the time when I really did so many things on my own. The best years are probably 9 and 10: Vivid memory and a decent knowledge of the world, but still a kid.

BTW: You had childhood years in the 2000's??? DIFFERENT GENERATION!!!! *just kidding*  ;D

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/23/12 at 3:44 am

Hey, at least you can say you were born in the 20th century (or 2nd millenium for that matter).  Think of how the people born in the early 2000s will feel, being grouped in with those darn 2999ers ;D.  And you'll probably be glad later on; even people born in the early 70s still seem somewhat young to me (maybe not quite 'young', but definitely not old), but the late 60s... just the fact that they existed in the 60s makes them seem a lot older. (sorry to anyone born in the 60s ;))


That's true. Being born in 1970 does certainly sound younger than being born in 1969. I'll always value the fact that I was not only born in, but can actually remember, "the nineteen hundreds" (doesn't that just sound so historic? ^_^). Or second millennium like you said. There's actually still a handful of people alive who were born in the 1890s. The oldest just turned 116 a few weeks ago.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: MarkMc1990 on 09/23/12 at 3:49 am

I view 1996-2001 as being my main childhood. Maybe even early 2002. I started kindergarten in the fall of '96 and ended 5th grade in spring of '02. I guess I felt a little more grown up that summer since I was about to start junior high.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/23/12 at 6:50 am


I remember 1986 quite well actually.


I remember 1986 too.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/23/12 at 6:52 am


What's so special about remembering Care Bears anyway?  ???


It was part of childhood memory just like I can remember Sesame Street, Electric Company, and Mr.Rogers Neighborhood.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/23/12 at 6:54 am


A ranger would've been cool. Maybe a spin-off of the two shows could be made. The Care Rangers.


That's too funny.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Jenny1982 on 09/23/12 at 1:11 pm


Funny how high people value age 0-8. IMO the real childhood starts not earlier than at age 8. That's also the reason why I have the best memories from age 8-11. Anything before is far away.

+ Thank God I am not 30 yet and 'care' about Care Bears.


Well I never have gone as far as to consider age 0 childhood LOL. I have enough of a hard time considering age 3 as childhood. And what I said above was based on biological studies, and it fits how I lived my life. Just because you might not remember what you had for dinner on a random day in August 2003, doesn't automatically mean you weren't a teenager then now does it?

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Philip Eno on 08/21/14 at 6:21 pm

About 2pm

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: KatanaChick on 08/21/14 at 8:50 pm


You could debate age 3 to be a toddler and not really a 'child' in the same sense. You could also debate 11 and 12 in a similar way since studies have shown that the average person enters puberty around their 11th birthday (often 10 for girls, 11 for boys). This makes my childhood 1986-1992 and my 'coming-of-age' years 1993-1999. This would make the majority of my childhood the 80s, yours the 90s (1990-1996). Your 11-17 years are 1997-2003, mostly the 2000s, unlike myself.
3 year olds have more in common with toddlers than with a kid starting school the first time. Childhood can too involve the teen years because your not grown yet. 12 is officially the end of not being a teenager yet. Someone born in 1982 wouldn't be drastically different than someone born in 1986. You were probably done with high school in 2000 right? College years/young adult years would have began in the early 2000's rather than the mid 2000's for mid 80's borns, but it's just not a world apart IMO.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 08/31/14 at 12:14 pm

I've seen discussions about generations on another site and I say it started around 2001-02. They are the true Zs because their generation of pop culture is just beginning. As of right now, the early Zs are in middle school and they are the targets of mainstream culture just like the last of Ys. The first year of them are becoming teenagers and not only that, they are even in movies and TV shows (if it's teen PG/PG-13 movies and/or Nickelodeon/Disney shows, then they are the main characters). Another thing is that the early Zs were 5-9 when the technology boom exploded in 2009/10 with the rise of smartphones, Ipads, Tablets, and everything all in one. One day, their culture will take over the last Of Y/Millennials and it will cause a huge shift.

Here are some threads that have spoke about when did Y end/Z start.

http://personalitycafe.com/generations/160625-gen-y-end-gen-z-begin.html

http://personalitycafe.com/generation-y-forum/273306-people-born-2000-2001-generation-y-generation-z.html

http://personalitycafe.com/generation-z-forum/156626-im-confused-about-age-differences-between-gen-y-gen-z.html

http://personalitycafe.com/generation-z-forum/179255-difference-generation-z.html

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/01/14 at 2:30 am

Those who were still in the middle of childhood in the mid-late 00s IMO are Z.

Another approach could also be:

The very youngest of the Y/Z cusp are those who only barely remember 9/11. Clear Z are those who only heard of it afterwards or read it in their history books.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/01/14 at 10:41 am


Those who were still in the middle of childhood in the mid-late 00s IMO are Z.

Another approach could also be:

The very youngest of the Y/Z cusp are those who only barely remember 9/11. Clear Z are those who only heard of it afterwards or read it in their history books.
that's true. I think the first ones not to remember 9/11 are people who were born beginning in 1998-99.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/01/14 at 10:52 am


that's true. I think the first ones not to remember 9/11 are people who were born beginning in 1998-99.


1996 are probably the youngest who could have reasonable memories of it.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/01/14 at 10:56 am


1996 are probably the youngest who could have reasonable memories of it.
Yeah, considering the fact that they were in kindergarten when it happened. Their teachers would have the tv on all day.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/01/14 at 11:09 am


Being born in 1990 kind of sucks ass...people just see the "9" in the third column of your birth year and make generalizations about you and lump you in with the late 90s-born people. My birthday is at the end of October so I can't even claim to have been conceived in the '80s! ;D
sorry it's an old post, but I have seen the same thing with other people born in 1990. I don't understand why some people do that. I actually asked someone who was born in 1981 if he has been lumped with late 80s borns and he said no. So, I don't understand  why this only happens with 90s babies.

Heres a post that I wrote on another site that was the same as the one on here, but it has more replies and there are who are your age and a little older/younger who had the same views as you.

http://personalitycafe.com/generations/177479-being-born-beginning-decade.html

Heres another one about the same thing

http://personalitycafe.com/generation-y-forum/119712-anyone-else-1990er-hates.html

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/01/14 at 2:27 pm


that's true. I think the first ones not to remember 9/11 are people who were born beginning in 1998-99.


But they were only 5 years old.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/01/14 at 3:09 pm


But they were only 5 years old.


That's why 1996 is pretty much on the edge. Some might have some recollection, some don't.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/01/14 at 3:54 pm


But they were only 5 years old.



That's why 1996 is pretty much on the edge. Some might have some recollection, some don't.
yep, they were and it also depends on what country they lived in when it happened.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/02/14 at 8:30 pm


This seems to be how the general consensus goes, starting with the baby boomers.

Baby Boomer Generation: Born from 1945–1964
          (Generation Jones: Born from 1956–1965)
Generation X: Born from 1965–1981
          (Generation X/Y Cusp: Born from 1975–1981)
Generation Y/Millennials: Born from 1982–2000
          (Generation Y/Z Cusp: Born from 1994–2000)
Generation Z/Digital Natives: Born from 2001–present

All the other generations have cool names, but Generation Z sounds so sour and off-putting... I like "Digital Natives" better. 8)  Yeah we 90s babies are a lost generation. ;)
I cant understand why people born in the second half of the 70s are also Millennials when they were already finished with high school before the Y culture even began. As for 90s babies being a lost generation, I can agree with that because there still hasn't been a conclusion on what generation 90s babies are grouped with. Since you also put 1994-2000 as the Y cusp, that leaves people born in 1990-1993 as complete millennials.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/03/14 at 12:38 am


Hmmm, I don't think you don't get what I'm saying. Generations aren't cut and paste, they bleed into each other, hence the cuspers. People born in the second half of the 70s have some very early Millennial traits, and they are too young to define Generation X in any meaningful way, largely was because their heyday was mid 90s–very early 2000s. Those years were the X/Y cusp culture. However, someone born in 1975 isn't going to have the same Millennial traits as one who was born in 2000. Here is a link about this generation, made by people who were born within that timespan: http://www.buzzfeed.com/leonoraepstein/signs-youre-stuck-between-gen-x-and-millennials?s=mobile Since it is made by them, they know how to define their own generation the best.

Early 90s Gen Yers are just milder versions of 80s Millennials. They're rather undefined. When people think of Generation Y, people don't think of the early 90s Millennials, they think of the 80s Millennials, particularly those born in the mid 1980s. We 90s babies are too young to properly define Generation Y or Z, hence we are a lost generation. Right now, early 90s babies' heyday is right now, the first half of the 2010s. The Y/Z cuspers (a.k.a. my generation) will start their culture and their "heyday" in 2015.
But a person born in 1975 began high school in 1989/90 and graduated in 1993/94, so how are they millennials? If you mean their heydays as being 18 to 25 during that time period, then that would be 1994 to 2004 as 1979 borns were 25 in 2004 and that would end their heyday. The article you linked, I read it about 5/6 months ago and some of the people said they dont believe they are between the 2 generations. How are early 90s borns milder versions of 80s millennials? They were in high school with some of the 80s borns especially 1990 borns. Not only that, 1990 babies also graduated high school along with 1989 borns in 2008 or if they were born late, then 2009.

Here's a detailed list of early 90s babies being in high school with some 80s babies

1990 babies: C/O 2008/09 - Were in high school with 1986/87 (C/O 2005), 1987/88 (C/O 2006), and 1988/89 (C/O 2007) during their Freshman, Sophomore and Junior years and were with late 1989 babies during their whole high school career as they were in the C/O 2008 as well.

1991 babies: C/O 2009/10 - Were in high school with 1987/88 (C/O 2006), 1988/89 (C/O 2007), and 1989/90 (C/O 2008) during their Freshman, Sophomore and Junior years.

1992 babies: C/O 2010/11 - Were in high school with 1988/89 (C/O 2007), and 1989/90 (C/O 2008) during their Freshman and Sophomore years.

1993 babies: Only C/O 2011 - Were in high school with 1989/90 (C/O 2008) during their Freshman year.

One year or more in high school was enough time for early 90s babies to hang with the 80s babies, so they can't be a mild version of 80s millennials if they were literally there.

Another thing is that during the 2007-08 school year, people who were born in late 1989 were seniors at this time and a person in the C/O 2011 (1992/93 borns) had one full year to make 80s baby friends. This was also the last school year to have 2000s styled music before Electropop became popular in Summer 2008.

I do understand that when millennials are spoken about, it's usually 80s babies and not 90s, so yes, they are undefined as of right now, but one day it will change. One thing, not all 90s babies are too young to define a generation specifically early 90s (They are 21-24 years old), but yes, we are still a lost generation because of no conclusion. Wasnt the early 90s babies heyday also in the late 2000s as the first ones turned 18 in 2008 (if thats what you mean by heyday) Last, since you put 1994 as part of the Y/Z cuspers, that means your heyday has already started since they turned 18 in 2012 and you turned 18 last year and it's still continuing right now.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/03/14 at 2:30 am

I am just wondering. Is it common to hang out with other students when there is a 4 year gap between their grades? In my school, it was normal maybe to talk with the ones one year older or one year below us. In Germany, we went to a school similar to high school from 7th grade on and we stayed at that school until grade 13. When I was in grade 11, the 1990ers came and were "the little ones from grade 7". I don't think we had so much in common just because we shared some years together at school. 4 years of still matter - at least until the younger person is 17, 18.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: nastalgicguy on 09/03/14 at 10:33 am

I've seen some sources that say Gen Y ends in 2000 or 2001. Personally, I think that's too late. Someone born in the 1980s is not going to have any similarities with people born in 2000 or 2001. Even early 90's born have more similarities to 80s born than 2000/2001 borns. I like the cutoff at 1995 with 1996 being a little y and little z. 1997 being fully Z.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/03/14 at 11:49 am

I think 1997 would be the last year of Generation Y.
They would be the last to remember the whole 2000s decade.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/03/14 at 11:51 am


But a person born in 1975 began high school in 1989/90 and graduated in 1993/94, so how are they millennials? If you mean their heydays as being 18 to 25 during that time period, then that would be 1994 to 2004 as 1979 borns were 25 in 2004 and that would end their heyday. The article you linked, I read it about 5/6 months ago and some of the people said they dont believe they are between the 2 generations. How are early 90s borns milder versions of 80s millennials? They were in high school with some of the 80s borns especially 1990 borns. Not only that, 1990 babies also graduated high school along with 1989 borns in 2008 or if they were born late, then 2009.

Here's a detailed list of early 90s babies being in high school with some 80s babies

1990 babies: C/O 2008/09 - Were in high school with 1986/87 (C/O 2005), 1987/88 (C/O 2006), and 1988/89 (C/O 2007) during their Freshman, Sophomore and Junior years and were with late 1989 babies during their whole high school career as they were in the C/O 2008 as well.

1991 babies: C/O 2009/10 - Were in high school with 1987/88 (C/O 2006), 1988/89 (C/O 2007), and 1989/90 (C/O 2008) during their Freshman, Sophomore and Junior years.

1992 babies: C/O 2010/11 - Were in high school with 1988/89 (C/O 2007), and 1989/90 (C/O 2008) during their Freshman and Sophomore years.

1993 babies: Only C/O 2011 - Were in high school with 1989/90 (C/O 2008) during their Freshman year.

One year or more in high school was enough time for early 90s babies to hang with the 80s babies, so they can't be a mild version of 80s millennials if they were literally there.

Another thing is that during the 2007-08 school year, people who were born in late 1989 were seniors at this time and a person in the C/O 2011 (1992/93 borns) had one full year to make 80s baby friends. This was also the last school year to have 2000s styled music before Electropop became popular in Summer 2008.

I do understand that when millennials are spoken about, it's usually 80s babies and not 90s, so yes, they are undefined as of right now, but one day it will change. One thing, not all 90s babies are too young to define a generation specifically early 90s (They are 21-24 years old), but yes, we are still a lost generation because of no conclusion. Wasnt the early 90s babies heyday also in the late 2000s as the first ones turned 18 in 2008 (if thats what you mean by heyday) Last, since you put 1994 as part of the Y/Z cuspers, that means your heyday has already started since they turned 18 in 2012 and you turned 18 last year and it's still continuing right now.


I see people born in 1990 as late 80s babies except in name only. They also graduated before summer 08.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 09/03/14 at 12:10 pm

Is Generation Z going to be the last generation?  :o :o :o

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/03/14 at 12:23 pm


I think 1997 would be the last year of Generation Y.
They would be the last to remember the whole 2000s decade.


So your definition is that Generation Y remembers all of the 2000s? That's another interesting approach. I would hover set 1996 as the youngest birth year, as 1997ers only turned three in 2000.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Visor765 on 09/03/14 at 1:48 pm


Is Generation Z going to be the last generation?  :o :o :o


No, Generation Alpha starts next year.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Visor765 on 09/03/14 at 1:58 pm

The reason why I feel people born from 1975–1981 are cuspers is because they have some very early generation Y traits found in core Millennials. People born from 1975–1989 tend to be more optimistic and happy, whereas people born from 1990–2000 are more cynical and distant. I should know, I've been around these people before, and I'm not talking about just four or five. I see people born in the X/Y cusp range as the cool aunts and uncles, whereas I see anyone born from 1982 onwards as more of an older sibling.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/03/14 at 2:15 pm


I am just wondering. Is it common to hang out with other students when there is a 4 year gap between their grades? In my school, it was normal maybe to talk with the ones one year older or one year below us. In Germany, we went to a school similar to high school from 7th grade on and we stayed at that school until grade 13. When I was in grade 11, the 1990ers came and were "the little ones from grade 7". I don't think we had so much in common just because we shared some years together at school. 4 years of still matter - at least until the younger person is 17, 18.
Yes, it's common. When I was a sophomore, some of the freshmen (C/O 2012) were hanging with seniors (C/O 2009) and when I was a freshman (C/O 2011), I actually had Junior (C/O 2009) and Senior (C/O 2008) friends. At my school, it was mixed, so everyone hanged with other no matter what grade they were in.


I see people born in 1990 as late 80s babies except in name only. They also graduated before summer 08.
Most of them did while the last few thousand graduated in 2009.


The reason why I feel people born from 1975–1981 are cuspers is because they have some very early generation Y traits found in core Millennials. People born from 1975–1989 tend to be more optimistic and happy, whereas people born from 1990–2000 are more cynical and distant. I should know, I've been around these people before, and I'm not talking about just four or five. I see people born in the X/Y cusp range as the cool aunts and uncles, whereas I see anyone born from 1982 onwards as more of an older sibling.
Not everyone is more of the categories you listed. Some 1975-89 borns could also be cynical and distant while some 1990-2000 borns could be optimistic and happy as well. I do agree you with seeing 80s babies as more as siblings than parental figures as I have cousins and a sister born in the 80s and they definitely have millennial qualities in them.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Howard on 09/03/14 at 2:33 pm


No, Generation Alpha starts next year.


what does that consist of? ???

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/03/14 at 5:46 pm


I am just wondering. Is it common to hang out with other students when there is a 4 year gap between their grades? In my school, it was normal maybe to talk with the ones one year older or one year below us. In Germany, we went to a school similar to high school from 7th grade on and we stayed at that school until grade 13. When I was in grade 11, the 1990ers came and were "the little ones from grade 7". I don't think we had so much in common just because we shared some years together at school. 4 years of still matter - at least until the younger person is 17, 18.

Our high schools go from 9th-12th grade. Some private schools might still add 7th and 8th grade to the grade school, with no jr. high between, but typically there is jr. high. Middle school adds 6th grade too. Unless older kids had younger relatives, it was not typical for them to associate with larger age gaps.


No, Generation Alpha starts next year.

Those people haven't been born yet, much less grown up enough to call their generation anything, so we don't know what it will be called.


The reason why I feel people born from 1975–1981 are cuspers is because they have some very early generation Y traits found in core Millennials. People born from 1975–1989 tend to be more optimistic and happy, whereas people born from 1990–2000 are more cynical and distant. I should know, I've been around these people before, and I'm not talking about just four or five. I see people born in the X/Y cusp range as the cool aunts and uncles, whereas I see anyone born from 1982 onwards as more of an older sibling.

A 79er you can safely call a cusper, but earlier than that no way. They are younger Generation X. They're pushing 40 if they were born in 1975. 1981 is early Y. Depending on when they were born they could have graduated high school in 1999 or 2000, when mid 80's kids were in jr. high. You can't define everyone's personality traits by when they were born either because they're individuals. When they're born isn't what should define their personalities.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: Visor765 on 09/05/14 at 12:16 pm


A 79er you can safely call a cusper, but earlier than that no way. They are younger Generation X. They're pushing 40 if they were born in 1975. 1981 is early Y. Depending on when they were born they could have graduated high school in 1999 or 2000, when mid 80's kids were in jr. high. You can't define everyone's personality traits by when they were born either because they're individuals. When they're born isn't what should define their personalities.


The idea is to generalize, we don't put everybody's individual perks into consideration. The reason why you have generations and their distinctive personality traits is because of societal trends that occur years past. What a large group of people the same age do affects those of a younger age, who may disagree with it.

You had The Greatest Generation, and the Silent Generation; which were strict, conservative, and disciplined. The Baby Boomers didn't like the uptight environment of the previous generations, so they rebelled. Their selfish behavior continued into adulthood and marriage. They had kids, and these kids were Generation X. Their Boomer parents were concerned with themselves, such as working and being busy when their kids needed them, resulting in many Generation Xers being latchkey kids. The Boomer's selfishness and immaturity led to divorce, which explains why Generation X is cynical and distant from their parents. Generation Y came along, whose parents were generally from Generation Jones. They didn't like the cynicism and pessimism of Generation X, so they decided to be optimistic and happy. Millennials generally trust people and they are outgoing.

Not everyone is like this, but most are. The reason why generations exist is because of mass movements in civilization, which do affect people's personalities.

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: 80sfan on 09/05/14 at 2:02 pm

My opinion only.

Baby boom- 1946 to 1964
Generation X- 1965 to 1979
Generation Y/Millenials- 1980 to 1997
Generation Z- 1998 to 2014
Generation Alpha- 2015-???

Subject: Re: When Did Generation Z Begin?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/05/14 at 8:19 pm


The reason why I feel people born from 1975–1981 are cuspers is because they have some very early generation Y traits found in core Millennials.
I think I know why you consider this group as the X/Y cuspers. Not only did they have some early Y traits, but they were also still targeted as the mainstream audience during the mid 90s to early 00s. In many late 90s/early 00s teen movies and teen dramas/sitcoms, this group were playing teens and young adults and not the parents like they are today. Examples of these movies/sitcoms are the first 3 American Pie movies, Cruel Intentions, Can't Hardly Wait, Varsity Blues, She's All That, Get Over It, Not Another Teen Movie, Sister Sister, Boy Meets World, 7th Heaven, Dawson's Creek, Buffy the Vampire, Charmed, the first Bring It On, Family Matters, 10 Things I Hate About You, Sabrina, The Teenage Witch (Live-Action), and Jawbreaker.

They were also the teen pop (Britney, Christina, N'Sync), nu-metal (Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin Park) and club styled hip-hop (Nelly, Ludacris, Lil' Jon) listeners. I can see them listening those genres as they were still the audience of that time. 

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