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Subject: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/08/05 at 12:15 am

Can you believe Jimmy Kimmel actually had R. Kelly on his TV show?
>:( 
Maybe next week he'll bring Scott Peterson on for a few laughs.
>:(
Disgusting.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: whistledog on 11/08/05 at 12:25 am

What is wrong with having R. Kelly on his show?  He is a singer obviously promoting his CD.  So are you saying singers aren't allowed to promote their CD's on talk shows?

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: GoodRedShirt on 11/08/05 at 12:27 am


Can you believe Jimmy Kimmel actually had R. Kelly on his TV show?
>:( 
Maybe next week he'll bring Scott Peterson on for a few laughs.
>:(
Disgusting.
??? What are you on? (So that I can stay away from it!)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: TarzSp on 11/08/05 at 3:25 am

Let's hope Kobe Bryant never shows up on his show either


(btw, I don't think R. Kelly was a "Rapist", he was a "Pedophile")

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/08/05 at 8:41 am

R. Kelly had sex with underage girls.  That is rape.  Its not surprising that a lot of people don't have a problem with that, otherwise Jimmy Kimmel wouldn't have had him on.  We pretend we are disgusted, but as soon as the guy has new CD to promote, we're ok with it.  I wonder why the world is in the state its in.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: lorac614 on 11/08/05 at 8:57 am

Statutory rape is the actual term, also child pornographer for filming it.  The girl was 14.  SICK, SICK, SICK!!!!

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: kellygoo72 on 11/08/05 at 10:08 am

Listen, as a rape survivor,it makes me sick to think what he is accused of.. Jimmy Kimmel is a slob, who cares about his show But.... I was just wondering?  Did u have a problem with Elvis Presley, His wife was certainly a child in the eyes of the law and what about Jerry Lee Lewis, I would Bet that BOTH of them are in the Rock and Roll hall of fame and by the way.... All GROUPS HAVE GROUPIES!!!  Wonder how old those fans are and I wonder IF U have problems with them or.. IS it just a selected FEW???????  Wrong is wrong right,??  This society is a bunch of hypocrites, doesnt stop us from claiming HOW MUCH BETTER WE ARE!  Stick to the  facts and we will be okay.. Jimmy Kimmel is a pig but.. he does have a show topromote right?  Wonder if the same pople who think TO should be kicked off a team for fighting have a problem with THe NFL..........  HMMM ::)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/08/05 at 10:38 am


Listen, as a rape survivor,it makes me sick to think what he is accused of.. Jimmy Kimmel is a slob, who cares about his show But.... I was just wondering?  Did u have a problem with Elvis Presley, His wife was certainly a child in the eyes of the law and what about Jerry Lee Lewis, I would Bet that BOTH of them are in the Rock and Roll hall of fame and by the way.... All GROUPS HAVE GROUPIES!!!  Wonder how old those fans are and I wonder IF U have problems with them or.. IS it just a selected FEW???????  Wrong is wrong right,??  This society is a bunch of hypocrites, doesnt stop us from claiming HOW MUCH BETTER WE ARE!  Stick to the  facts and we will be okay.. Jimmy Kimmel is a pig but.. he does have a show topromote right?  Wonder if the same pople who think TO should be kicked off a team for fighting have a problem with THe NFL..........   HMMM ::)


What a wierd question -- why would you think I'm an Elvis or Jerry Lee Lewis fan?  Is this some anti-southern bigotry thing?  Of course people have groupies, what does that have to do with anything?  Stick to the facts?  What did I say that is not a fact?  I hope you are not trying to make this a racial thing, implying that I don't have a problem with Lewis and Presley because they're good old boys.  If you knew how many black friends I had, you would know how lame that is.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Billy Florio on 11/08/05 at 11:20 am


R. Kelly had sex with underage girls.  That is rape.  Its not surprising that a lot of people don't have a problem with that, otherwise Jimmy Kimmel wouldn't have had him on.  We pretend we are disgusted, but as soon as the guy has new CD to promote, we're ok with it.  I wonder why the world is in the state its in.


the trial aint over...so unless you have info we dont, he's innocent until proven guilty

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/08/05 at 11:24 am

Guilty is a legal term.  I didn't say he was guilty.  I said he did it.  That is a fact.  But thanks for defending him.  America needs its celebrity heroes!

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/08/05 at 11:38 am


Guilty is a legal term.  I didn't say he was guilty.  I said he did it.  That is a fact.  But thanks for defending him.  America needs its celebrity heroes!


dag. settle down yo! this issue won't be decided one way or another on this little message board, you know?

but it's funny that now i know about this, whereas before i never would have heard of it. i bet at least a couple people watch this show who wouldn't have otherwise, if you hadn't voiced all this outrage. isn't it ironic?

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: whistledog on 11/08/05 at 11:43 am


R. Kelly had sex with underage girls.  That is rape.  Its not surprising that a lot of people don't have a problem with that, otherwise Jimmy Kimmel wouldn't have had him on.  We pretend we are disgusted, but as soon as the guy has new CD to promote, we're ok with it.  I wonder why the world is in the state its in.


As long as the man can sing, who cares what he does.

Did people stop watching Home Improvement after learning Tim Allen was in Prison for 2 years for cocaine posession?  No
Did people stop watching Hugh Grant movies after he was caught having oral sex with a prostitute?  No

In Hollywood, Scandals don't mean anything.  They only help further said person's career. 

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/08/05 at 11:47 am



As long as the man can sing, who cares what he does.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/08/05 at 11:59 am

lol! as long as we're seeing how much we can agitate comcast sux, let me play devil's advocate and say that it's funny 14-year-olds can be executed for murder but can't have consensual sex. i had consensual sex at 15 and, though it wasn't with someone who was over 18, why would that make so much difference? there are some very mature 14 year olds out there who i bet totally know what they're doing when they chase horndog celebrities. conversely, there are definitely 30-year-olds running around who are totally not mature enough to have sex. so... i mean, isn't this 18-year-old line kinda arbitrary?

at a high school in the area they recently caught a bunch of teenagers having an orgy in a gymnasium. 15, 16, 17-year-olds, i forget how many of them. were they all nonconsenting? i mean, okay, i don't want to get read here as saying i think statutory rape is okay, it's not. but there are lots of complicating factors and implying it's the same as violent rape is just fiddlefaddle.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/08/05 at 1:42 pm



Gosh, if we start ripping on all of the TV personalities who have had guests on their shows who had done "questionable" things in their past, all of the "interview-type" shows would cease to exist...



Oh no!  That would be horrible!  What would we do without them!?!?!?!?!

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: TarzSp on 11/08/05 at 3:54 pm

If I remember correctly, wasn't the 14 Year old girl that R. Kelly had sex with actually "Aaliyah"?  I remember hearing that somewhere

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: TarzSp on 11/08/05 at 3:58 pm

Actually, I just found this from Aaliyah's Profile on IMDb.com

It was around this same time that Aaliyah met singer/composer R. Kelly. Kelly assisted Aaliyah with the production of her debut album "Age Ain't Nothing But A Number" which scored several number hits, specifically "Back and Forth." The album's title was a brief reference to her short-lived marriage to R. Kelly (she was 15 years of age at the time, and he was 27). Their marriage was annulled due to her status as a minor

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: TarzSp on 11/08/05 at 4:18 pm


I thought he was a rapper


lol, no, he's an R&B Singer

Ever heard songs like "I Believe I Can Fly", "Bump N' Grind", "If I Could Turn Back the Hands of Time", "You Remind Me Of Something", and "Down Low"?

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/08/05 at 6:14 pm


I thought he was a rapper


Yes.  One 'p'.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: TarzSp on 11/08/05 at 6:38 pm

I don't see how it's Rape unless it's forced

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/08/05 at 6:39 pm


Let me take it a step further.....I also had sex "underage" (which I suggested/initiated) with a guy who was also "underage", but HE was the only one who "broke the law".  Double standard ???

I also couldn't count the number of times I lied about my age.  Heck, I had a fake ID when I was 16.  According to some reports I read when the charges initially came up against R. Kelly, the girl told him she was over 18.  I certainly know that there are girls in my local HS who DO NOT look their age (one of the babysitters we use for the boys is 15, but could pass for 18-19 easily).....are guys supposed to ask for ID now before engaging in sex?  Not that it would matter....many of them have fake ID's (as I did).

Barbara Walters has had MJ on her show more than once.....should we bash her as well?  Gosh, if we start ripping on all of the TV personalities who have had guests on their shows who had done "questionable" things in their past, all of the "interview-type" shows would cease to exist...

I think the big "R" not only knew the girls were below the age of consent, but he videotaped the encounters for his later pleasure.  And this was not a case of romantic love between, say, a fourteen year old girl and a twenty-one year old man.  This was like Bring'em Young University--straight out prurient and pornographic, and in at least one incident involving "R" relieving himself upon his date.

I too think our society makes too big a deal over age, but not when it comes to "R."

Furthermore, it's not Jimmy Kimmel's fault he's mildly retarded, it's the network's fault for pandering to the kind of no-brow audience it knows Kimmel will attract, and ultimately the fault of American males for being pigs and creating a market for this sh*t!
>:(

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/08/05 at 6:40 pm


I don't see how it's Rape unless it's forced

Make whoopee with a 13-year-old and then ask the judge.  The judge'll telly ya!
::)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Apricot on 11/08/05 at 7:27 pm


Can you believe Jimmy Kimmel actually had R. Kelly on his TV show?
>:( 
Maybe next week he'll bring Scott Peterson on for a few laughs.
>:(
Disgusting.


Yeah, because Scott Peterson has a music career to promote.  ::)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tanya1976 on 11/08/05 at 7:45 pm


Let me take it a step further.....I also had sex "underage" (which I suggested/initiated) with a guy who was also "underage", but HE was the only one who "broke the law".  Double standard ???

I also couldn't count the number of times I lied about my age.  Heck, I had a fake ID when I was 16.  According to some reports I read when the charges initially came up against R. Kelly, the girl told him she was over 18.  I certainly know that there are girls in my local HS who DO NOT look their age (one of the babysitters we use for the boys is 15, but could pass for 18-19 easily).....are guys supposed to ask for ID now before engaging in sex?  Not that it would matter....many of them have fake ID's (as I did).

Barbara Walters has had MJ on her show more than once.....should we bash her as well?  Gosh, if we start ripping on all of the TV personalities who have had guests on their shows who had done "questionable" things in their past, all of the "interview-type" shows would cease to exist...


I understand what you are saying. Been there myself.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: whistledog on 11/08/05 at 7:46 pm


Yes.  One 'p'.


Boy, you really don't like R. Kelly

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/09/05 at 6:30 am


Yeah, because Scott Peterson has a music career to promote.  ::)

He's cutting his first single this week for Death Row Records:

"You're Having My Baby" b/w "Rock the Boat"

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/09/05 at 11:53 am


He's cutting his first single this week for Death Row Records:

"You're Having My Baby" b/w "Rock the Boat"


;D
At least SOMEBODY has a sense of humur!

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/09/05 at 5:39 pm


;D
At least SOMEBODY has a sense of humur!

Yeah, but it's a sense of humor that's gotten me my walking papers numerous times, so I have to keep a check on it!  If I made every perverse comment that leaps to mind regarding posts on inthe00s, I would have been banned loooong ago!
:o

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Mushroom on 11/10/05 at 11:57 am


He's cutting his first single this week for Death Row Records:

"You're Having My Baby" b/w "Rock the Boat"


And after that he does a cover of the Police Song Demolition Man.  8)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Mushroom on 11/10/05 at 12:02 pm

Myself, I used to really like Mr. Kelly.  I had several of his CDs, and used to play them a lot both at work and in private.

Now, I got rid of them, and will never buy another one.  I will only play his music when requested, and even then only grudgingly.  I will never buy another CD of his ever again.

And I treat Michael Jackson the same way.

The only criminal lower then a murderer is a child abuser in my opinion.  I refuse to promote anybody who has that in their background.

As far as Tim Allan from an earlier poster, that was long before he became famous.  He paid his debt to society, and in fact has spoken frankly about his past, even done work (on his own) for anti-drug organizations.

As for Jerry Lee and Elvis, there is a valid "cultural" aspect there.  Plus both of them married the girls in question.  I have never heard anything about Mr. Kelly getting married to any of the girls he videotaped himself with.

And I may buy a claim he "made a mistake".  But this is at least 3 times now, it is a pattern, not a mistake.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Guest on 11/10/05 at 12:38 pm

Thing I have always found strange about this whole underage sex issue is that it even exists.  Not that I support it or do it myself, as I am a 22 year old who is still a virgin as I am a wait till marriage kind of person.  But look back in human history even back in the times when Jesus was alive.  Back then it was very common for 14, 15, 16 year olds not only to be having sex but to be having children.  So if it was fine back then then why today do we make such a huge deal about it.  Why, because today's society has decided to make it that way.

As for R. Kelly was what he did right?  Not necessarly and I don't support what he did either.  Someone mentioned his trial isnt over yet.  You dont even really hear about in in the news anymore and don't you sometimes wonder why that is?  I can tell you a chunk of the reason is because the prosecutors have little besides that video to go on, and they know the video alone wont take them were they want.  That and last I head the girl hadn't pressed charges nor was she planning too.  The girl was consenting which in my mind despite her age this is perfectly legal (though by actual law it is not), though again even though I don't hold it against him I don't agree that doing it was right, he should have keep his pants on per say. 

I also agree with the one who said the thing about there being a double standard.  Its ok if the girl has sex underage but its not ok for the guy.  If it is consenting on both ends they should both be held accountable not just the guy.  Anyway thats all I have rip me apart if you wish. 

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Satish on 11/10/05 at 2:17 pm

R. Kelly had sex with a 14 year old girl, but it was consensual, not forced. The only crime was that she was under-age, so I don't know if that's all that terrible. The age of consent for sex as defined by the law is really just arbitrary, and varies between jurisdictions. In many places, it's actually legal for an adult to have sex with a 14 year old:

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/10/05 at 3:08 pm

You guys are right.  I was overreacting and being judgemental.  Or maybe just 'mental'.  :-[

I assumed he took advantage of these girls, but that's not fair.  Besides, it doesn't make sense to say it's 'wrong' to have sex with a sophisticated 14 year-old, but it's okay to have sex with a naive, shy, unexperienced 25-year old.  That's a double-standard.  It really depends on the person.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/10/05 at 6:07 pm


R. Kelly had sex with a 14 year old girl, but it was consensual, not forced. The only crime was that she was under-age, so I don't know if that's all that terrible. The age of consent for sex as defined by the law is really just arbitrary, and varies between jurisdictions. In many places, it's actually legal for an adult to have sex with a 14 year old:



Dude, how many ways do I hafta say it?  He peed on her and taped himself doing it!  It's just plain nasty bro,' legal, illegal, or anywhere in between.  It's like Kimmel inviting Max H@rdc()re on as a guest.  Barf me out, gag me with a spoon!
:P

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Lara Spencer on 11/10/05 at 6:11 pm


Dude, how many ways do I hafta say it?  He peed on her and taped himself doing it!  It's just plain nasty bro,' legal, illegal, or anywhere in between.  It's like Kimmel inviting Max H@rdc()re on as a guest.  Barf me out, gag me with a spoon!
:P


Ok, we don't need to go there.  TMI.  Private consensual sex acts are nobody's business.  And we don't need to hear about it.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Lara Spencer on 11/10/05 at 6:12 pm


is he a raper or a rapper?


Been there, done that.  ::)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/10/05 at 6:14 pm


You guys are right.  I was overreacting and being judgemental.  Or maybe just 'mental'.   :-still of legal age.  A fourteen year old seven years ago was...seven!  Puts thngs into perspective for ya don't it?  It goes to development, experience, and maturity.  If you get a 25-year-old who really is no more mature than your average fourteen year old, she's mildly retarded.  Taking advantage of the mentally challenged is frequently done...but not considered decent or ethical!
::)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/10/05 at 6:15 pm


It's like Kimmel inviting Max H@rdc()re on as a guest.  Barf me out, gag me with a spoon!
:P


is max available?

barf me out! is that on the 80s slang thread? now i hafta go look.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/10/05 at 6:18 pm


Ok, we don't need to go there.  TMI.  Private consensual sex acts are nobody's business.  And we don't need to hear about it.

I agree, that's why I used gentle, evasive euphemisms when I mentioned it the first time, but some people need the blunt version.  Sorry, I really don't mean to offend, but it's part of the over all point about the nature of the encounter.  By the letter of the law no sexual act between a thirty year old man and a fourteen year old girl are consensual.  One can agree or disagree with the law, but it is the law on the books.  And, no, we don't need to hear about it, but that cat's out of the bag!

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/10/05 at 6:20 pm


is max available?

barf me out! is that on the 80s slang thread? now i hafta go look.

Available for what?  Given the nature of this thread, I'm not sure I like where this is going!
Or maybe...I do like it.  Uh-oh!
:o

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/10/05 at 6:28 pm


Available for what?  Given the nature of this thread, I'm not sure I like where this is going!
Or maybe...I do like it.  Uh-oh!
:o


dood, why do you even know who max h@rd(ore IS?

why, for that matter, do i?

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/10/05 at 6:32 pm


dood, why do you even know who max h@rd(ore IS?

why, for that matter, do i?

Why?  Heh heh!

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Satish on 11/10/05 at 6:55 pm

If R. Kelly's a creep, does that mean Rob Lowe is, too?  ???

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/10/05 at 7:26 pm


Well, first of all, it's the law.  If I did what R. did, went out and picked up a fourteen year old girl and made kinky sex tapes with her, the cops would throw me in jail, if her father didn't shoot me dead first.  But R. Kelly has millions, I've got diddly-squat, so R. gets to walk, and I'd get stuck in the clink!

Second of all, take a naive 25-year-old.  Seven years back, she was eighteen, still of legal age.  A fourteen year old seven years ago was...seven!  Puts thngs into perspective for ya don't it?  It goes to development, experience, and maturity.  If you get a 25-year-old who really is no more mature than your average fourteen year old, she's mildly retarded.  Taking advantage of the mentally challenged is frequently done...but not considered decent or ethical!
::)


Still some (non-retarded) 25-year olds are more easy to take advantage of than some 14 year olds -- just because they're naive, sheltered or insecure or whatever.  It depends on the person.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/10/05 at 7:39 pm


Why?  Heh heh!


oh! look at that! new subject!

*shifts into coverup mode.*

;)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/10/05 at 8:00 pm


If R. Kelly's a creep, does that mean Rob Lowe is, too?  ???

Yes.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/10/05 at 8:07 pm

i dunno, i'm feeling waffly. now i'm starting to come around to comcast sux's and maxwell's side on this. not necessarily that we have to call the guy a rapist or what have you but if he really is that sleazy, aren't there a lot of other more interesting people who could be on these shows? i mean it sounds like this R. Kelly bozo just wouldn't have anything to say that i'd be interested in hearing so much.

there. you can hand me my flipflops now. :-\\

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: kellygoo72 on 11/11/05 at 12:50 am


What a wierd question -- why would you think I'm an Elvis or Jerry Lee Lewis fan?  Is this some anti-southern bigotry thing?  Of course people have groupies, what does that have to do with anything?  Stick to the facts?  What did I say that is not a fact?  I hope you are not trying to make this a racial thing, implying that I don't have a problem with Lewis and Presley because they're good old boys.  If you knew how many black friends I had, you would know how lame that is.
  LOL.. My point is clear.... 1st, I could care less who is a " good ole boy" and 2nd.. all I meant was that I bet the 2 artists I mentioned are more than likely in the rock and roll hall of fame and no one is bothered by that, that was my point.. U stated ur point and I stated mine and Im sticking to it, thats all I meant... ;)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Lara Spencer on 11/11/05 at 12:58 am

My physician on this has evolved.  Haven't you been playing a tension?  Our Kelly is innocent until proven sleazy.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/11/05 at 2:20 am


i dunno, i'm feeling waffly. now i'm starting to come around to comcast sux's and maxwell's side on this. not necessarily that we have to call the guy a rapist or what have you but if he really is that sleazy, aren't there a lot of other more interesting people who could be on these shows? i mean it sounds like this R. Kelly bozo just wouldn't have anything to say that i'd be interested in hearing so much.

there. you can hand me my flipflops now. :-\\

The words "interesting" and "Jimmy Kimmel" do not even exist on the same plane!
:P

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/11/05 at 1:32 pm

Boy, how many messages do you post on threads that you DO think are intresting?  ;D ;) :D ;D ;)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/11/05 at 8:15 pm


Boy, how many messages do you post on threads that you DO think are intresting?   ;D ;) :D ;D ;)

It's not Kimmel, though.  It's the sins of R. Kelly I find at once intriguing and revolting!
:-[

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Skippy on 11/11/05 at 10:39 pm

Jimmy Who?  :-X

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: danootaandme on 11/12/05 at 7:30 am



Thing I have always found strange about this whole underage sex issue is that it even exists.  Not that I support it or do it myself, as I am a 22 year old who is still a virgin as I am a wait till marriage kind of person.  But look back in human history even back in the times when Jesus was alive.  Back then it was very common for 14, 15, 16 year olds not only to be having sex but to be having children.  So if it was fine back then then why today do we make such a huge deal about it.  Why, because today's society has decided to make it that way.




Another one who wants to bring the bible into it.  If you knew as much about the Bible as you think you
do you would know that in biblical times the average age that people lived to was about 30-35 years
old. Biological history shows that when quality of life increases so does the age of a females ability
to bear children.
I believe that the attitudes of some of the people here will change on this subject when the get a bit older and have daughters of their own.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Mushroom on 11/12/05 at 9:11 am


Another one who wants to bring the bible into it.  If you knew as much about the Bible as you think you
do you would know that in biblical times the average age that people lived to was about 30-35 years
old. Biological history shows that when quality of life increases so does the age of a females ability
to bear children.
I believe that the attitudes of some of the people here will change on this subject when the get a bit older and have daughters of their own.


The way we lived back then also impacted the practice of polygamy.

At the same time that life spans were short, death due to childbirth were very high.  40% mortality in mothers was not unheard of.  Many anthropoligists think this helped lead to the practice of polygamy.  Having multiple wives also meant having multiple mothers.  If the mother died due to complications, then the child is easily adopted by the extended family.

IN conditions like that, it only makes sense to marry quickly, and have kids as soon as posslibe.  More kids means more hands to work the farm/flock, and a better chance that at least some will live to maturity.

Thank heavens that is no longer the case.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: danootaandme on 11/12/05 at 5:04 pm


The way we lived back then also impacted the practice of polygamy.

At the same time that life spans were short, death due to childbirth were very high.  40% mortality in mothers was not unheard of. 



Which makes me very glad that I didn't live back then(well, not that I am aware of anyway)  ;) .  Actually this is still the case in many underdeveloped countries and it breaks my heart.  My grandmother was from a family of about 14(I'm not sure how many total) and three lived to maturity. Her mother died at 40 giving birth to twins, sepsis, meaning the doctor still probably wasn't practising the fine art of washing his hands, a practice still in its infancy during Victorian times.  The rest died of died of what would be curable diseases today.  There I go off topic again.  Sorry

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: saver on 11/13/05 at 12:37 am

Well, we still can't get ENOUGH of a most popular BOLD FACED LIAR:Bill Clinton for whom we applaud and celebrate continuously.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/13/05 at 2:02 am


Well, we still can't get ENOUGH of a most popular BOLD FACED LIAR:Bill Clinton for whom we applaud and celebrate continuously.

Oh please...
::)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: danootaandme on 11/13/05 at 9:01 am


Well, we still can't get ENOUGH of a most popular BOLD FACED LIAR:Bill Clinton for whom we applaud and celebrate continuously.


On the other hand we have gotten real tired of people who still want to point to a lying about a blow job 10
years ago as on a par with the demolition of the economy, foreign policy, educational opportunities, healthcare, and civil discourse.  It show more a question of envy than outrage.    ::)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: saver on 11/13/05 at 2:05 pm


On the other hand we have gotten real tired of people who still want to point to a lying about a blow job 10
years ago as on a par with the demolition of the economy, foreign policy, educational opportunities, healthcare, and civil discourse.  It show more a question of envy than outrage.    ::)



Whether it was a LIE REMAINING ON THE RECORD from 10 years ago or ALLEGED underage sex over the past year or two...One is PROVEN AND STAYS TRUE ...showing how some look the other way ...I'd guess JimmyK would have Clinton on as well and get as much applause...  envy=jealousy because 'I want that'...LIES/DECEIT=lack of morals and integrity i.e. 'I don't waant to be truthful'=I can live with something I can't have...but to LIE to ones face..it's taken more personal ..policies and management can change..you CAN'T take back a lie...

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: danootaandme on 11/13/05 at 4:43 pm



Whether it was a LIE REMAINING ON THE RECORD from 10 years ago or ALLEGED underage sex over the past year or two...One is PROVEN AND STAYS TRUE ...showing how some look the other way ...I'd guess JimmyK would have Clinton on as well and get as much applause...  envy=jealousy because 'I want that'...LIES/DECEIT=lack of morals and integrity i.e. 'I don't waant to be truthful'=I can live with something I can't have...but to LIE to ones face..it's taken more personal ..policies and management can change..you CAN'T take back a lie...


A bit disjointed and incoherent. Someone needs a nap

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: saver on 11/13/05 at 5:17 pm


A bit disjointed and incoherent. Someone needs a nap


Um..excuse me..disjointed? Incoherent? Guess someone can't add 2+2 = the point made.

Clinton LIED= Illegal in the courts,personal or public...still wrong!  Bush is performing badly(?) perfectly legal, don't like it, it can be changed. 

Understand it now?

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: alyceclover on 11/13/05 at 5:34 pm

Don't know who Jimmy Kimmel is; don't much watch tv. Read something a while ago about R Kelly, made him out to be a perverted monster, but I don't think he raped anyone. I won't be outraged if a Jimmy Kimmel had Kobe Bryant on his show; but I haven't much enjoyed a Laker's game after he got caught cheating on his wife and tried to bribe police into dropping the charges; knowing he was guilty and just wanting it not to go public. With his squeeky clean image it just broke my heart that he could be so cruel. If R Kelly's actions were as gross as what Kobe did, I can understand your disgust on seeing him on this talk show.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/13/05 at 5:43 pm


Um..excuse me..disjointed? Incoherent? Guess someone can't add 2+2 = the point made.

Clinton LIED= Illegal in the courts,personal or public...still wrong!  Bush is performing badly(?) perfectly legal, don't like it, it can be changed. 

Understand it now?


if i'd been in clinton's shoes, i'd have lied too. ken starr and the whole republican apparatus around him were obviously trying to destroy his life, break up his marriage, publicly humiliate him, dig under any rock, slither through any gutter they possibly could to ruin him. it was a political whack job and it was OBVIOUS. frankly, f--k ken starr, ole' leak-happy ken starr, AND the people who paid him. the republicans are trying to argue that fitzgerald is a partisan hack like ken starr obviously was, but they're having a tough time of it, because fitzgerals has actually prosecuted more demos than republicans. AND he didn't leak for political advantage, the way starr did. starr was trying, through leaks, to try clinton in the media. fitzgerald is playing by the rules, and the republicans can't STAND it.

as for bush's lies, they got thousands of people killed needlessly, and have probably bankrupted this nation -- financially, morally, and in terms of our standing in the world. clinton lied about a BJ. just doesn't compare. period.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/13/05 at 6:57 pm


One difference.....Monica was OVER 18 and never actually had sex with Clinton (I'm talking actual penetration/intercourse).....R. Kelly's "female(s)" were 14-15 year old girls, which, like it or not, is NOT legal.  They don't say "17 will get you 20" for nothing ::)

And, yes, that rant quoted above IS disjointed and incoherent.  There is no rhyme or reason to what you have typed together.....what does envy/jealousy have to do with rape or lying?

"Seventeen-and-a-half is still jailbait!"
As the old song used to go!

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: SKAnkinPickle on 11/13/05 at 7:01 pm


Did u have a problem with Elvis Presley, His wife was certainly a child in the eyes of the law

you can't rape the willing, correct?
Elvis didn't rape his wife, because that makes no sense anyways.
If he had taken her and forced her to have sex with him then I see your point.
But he didn't.
And man, screw R. Kelly, rapist or not his music is just really bad.
And yeah, I agree Jimmy Kimmel is a slob and a jackass.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: GoodRedShirt on 11/13/05 at 7:06 pm



And man, screw R. Kelly, rapist or not his music is just really bad.

Agreed.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: saver on 11/13/05 at 7:11 pm

couldn't tell WHAT happened to the original written quote of mine that Looks DISJOINTED..lately there has been some wild inserts that look like a computer gone nuts on many of the responses.

I clearly pointed out the dif between a lie from Clinton and Bush legally (getting away?0 with his actions.
Who would you rather have for dinner?
And this BUSH LIE...has it been DOCUMENTED???...He actually lied and WANTED to kill our troops Puh leese-...a person like that would have IMMEDIATELY been called on it anywhere else and demoted..so LET'S SEE THE THE ADMISSIONS AND THEN WE CAN RAISE HECK TO HAVE HIM PAY FOR ...LYING????

Now if it were goading from those who surround him...HE took their word..HOW IS THAT LYING ..and let's spread the blame to Kerry, Clinton Tenet(Who was a Clinton boy), and Kennedy..JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR CHIMING IN-WITH ALL THOSE SENATORS BEHIND THEM- WE MUST RETALIATE...which was the point of the message to begin with..

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/14/05 at 12:29 am


couldn't tell WHAT happened to the original written quote of mine that Looks DISJOINTED..lately there has been some wild inserts that look like a computer gone nuts on many of the responses.

I clearly pointed out the dif between a lie from Clinton and Bush legally (getting away?0 with his actions.
Who would you rather have for dinner?
And this BUSH LIE...has it been DOCUMENTED???...He actually lied and WANTED to kill our troops Puh leese-...a person like that would have IMMEDIATELY been called on it anywhere else and demoted..so LET'S SEE THE THE ADMISSIONS AND THEN WE CAN RAISE HECK TO HAVE HIM PAY FOR ...LYING????

Now if it were goading from those who surround him...HE took their word..HOW IS THAT LYING ..and let's spread the blame to Kerry, Clinton Tenet(Who was a Clinton boy), and Kennedy..JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR CHIMING IN-WITH ALL THOSE SENATORS BEHIND THEM- WE MUST RETALIATE...which was the point of the message to begin with..

If you wanna do a bash-Clinton screed, start a thread on the political board.  Or is it that you just can't help yerself there, son?

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: saver on 11/14/05 at 12:33 am

You misinterpret...all was in response to the comment of an alleged rapists appearance compared to etc etc..

Clinton has bashed himself and doesn't need me...

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Satish on 11/14/05 at 1:39 am

Well, OK, what R. Kelly did might have been reprehensible... but it should be up to the law to punish him.

There shouldn't be anything wrong with people still listening to his music, him performing in public, or with him doing fluff interviews on shows like Jimmy Kimmel's. The only questions they ask on shows like that are things like "what's your favourite colour," anyway.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: danootaandme on 11/14/05 at 10:55 am


Noone's saying Bush intentionally wanted to kill our troops, but it's been PROVEN that the "reason" originally given for going to war was a bold faced lie.  As President, Bush shouldn't just "take someone's word" and believe that's it's gospel.  He had access to intelligence reports that went 100% against what he said.  He had PROOF that there was no link between AQ & Iraq, but he didn't care.



Exactly.  He is the President of the United States, and with that comes a responsibility beyond, "well, that's
what they told me"  when it involves the devestation of thousands of lives.

As for Kimmel, he can't have everyone he wants on his show because their probably aren't too many
care to, so I quess he just takes anyone he can get.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Save Me! on 11/14/05 at 3:02 pm

What is the disjointed lie killing rapists with bad music and Jimmy Kimmel is irrelevant.  At least Bush isn't sending Clinton off to war to die with military intelligence.  I want lie documentation told to Americans and Congress to blame too, but Bush not.  I mean, Kerry and Hilary lied too, for yes vote military force, but Bush evil not.  I mean...um... blowjob.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/14/05 at 3:05 pm


What is the disjointed lie killing rapists with bad music and Jimmy Kimmel is irrelevant.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: danootaandme on 11/14/05 at 3:47 pm


What is the disjointed lie killing rapists with bad music and Jimmy Kimmel is irrelevant.  At least Bush isn't sending Clinton off to war to die with military intelligence.  I want lie documentation told to Americans and Congress to blame too, but Bush not.  I mean, Kerry and Hilary lied too, for yes vote military force, but Bush evil not.  I mean...um... blowjob.


Say what?    ???

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/14/05 at 3:51 pm


Say what?

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: saver on 11/14/05 at 3:59 pm


Noone's saying Bush intentionally wanted to kill our troops, but it's been PROVEN that the "reason" originally given for going to war was a bold faced lie.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: danootaandme on 11/14/05 at 4:04 pm


I understand that too...without carrying this futher as it gets way political...Bush had the intelligence info...so he found that being the reason to go BUT!!!!ALLL the senate, Kerry kennedy Clinton, Pelosi - KERRY MAKING IT KNOWN LOUDEST- all backed it as well, saying we must do this to stop it..




Not Kennedy.  He has voted and spoken against it from the beginning to the end.  Luckily he is in a position
to be able to speak his mind without giving a damn.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: saver on 11/14/05 at 8:52 pm



Not Kennedy.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Save Me! on 11/14/05 at 9:17 pm


What is the disjointed lie killing rapists with bad music and Jimmy Kimmel is irrelevant.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/14/05 at 9:45 pm


You're absolutely right....BUSH had the intelligence....Clinton and all of the other senators DIDN'T, they were going by what BUSH told them.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: GoodRedShirt on 11/14/05 at 9:45 pm


Sorry confusing words. Nonsense Bush apologist babbling, syntax twisting logic into futility until giving up finally and showing Jail Get Out card: "Clinton blowjob!".
English?

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: saver on 11/14/05 at 9:53 pm


You're absolutely right....BUSH had the intelligence....Clinton and all of the other senators DIDN'T, they were going by what BUSH told them.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: saver on 11/14/05 at 9:56 pm


the argument the demos are making now is that they gave bush the authority to go to war only after all diplomatic efforts failed and the UN couldn't do anything. then, after they gave him that authority, he promptly abandoned all diplomacy and sabotaged the UN, forcing the weapons inspectors out of the country. it's a decent argument as far as it goes, and it's certainly patently false that the demos "voted for the war" (that's just another in a long litany of flat out administration lies) but i wish to gawd the demos had had the brass ones to just say, look, no, this is crap. your dad wanted to go to war in iraq, and now YOU want to go to war in iraq and it's all a coincidence? your administration is filled top to bottom with highups from the oil industry but we're supposed to believe oil has NOTHING to do with this? we're supposed to think that you're filled with horror and outrage over hussein's atrocities when the exact same people -- cheney, rumsfeld et al. -- were in office pressing flesh with him when he was doing the worst of it, during the iran-iraq war?

the regular folks in the country don't know this stuff but the demos in congress know ALL of this. once you read even cursorily about the history of the people in the administration in terms of iraq and the ME more generally, it becomes obvious to any halfway-intelligent person that this was a naked power grab, pure and simple. and the fact that the demos EVER played along with this whole hussein-is-the-next-hitler farce makes me think that they were looking at it as a game they were hoping to benefit from somehow, same as the republicans. the democrats knew all along this was a snooker job, either that or they're stupid. and they're not stupid.


Well said but don't forget Tenet inthe equation (who was Mr. Bill Clintons confidante and given to Bush) he was behind the presenting of the info from whoever put it together...

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/14/05 at 10:17 pm


Well said but don't forget Tenet inthe equation (who was Mr. Bill Clintons confidante and given to Bush) he was behind the presenting of the info from whoever put it together...


dude, everything i'm saying boils down to, the "info" didn't matter, the idea that iraq was ever a threat to us is prespammersite, it WAS ALWAYS prespammersite, that was never what this was about. just like any other war with the possible exception of WWII and the civil war, for the U.S. this was politics by other means, and it was a power move, the government acting as the strong-arm man for the oil and defense interests that fund this administration. to the extent that WMDs matter, it's as a pretext. that's why the "slam dunk" talk, tenet was saying -- erroneously, as it turns out -- go ahead and have your war, the pretext is bound to materialize after the fact. it's a slam dunk.

WMD, no WMD, BFD. they didn't care if hussein had some anthrax or some sarin gas or whatever else, there wasn't itshay he could do with it anyway. he had no infrastructure in that country, it had been choked by sanctions for twelve years. he had no force projection capabilities, period, and tenet, the bushies, clinton, and everyone else knew this. anyone with an IQ of more than 105 and a level head could easily recognize it.

look at the history of warfare. at the time the war is conducted there's ALWAYS some BS motivation, some malarky cover story, and then in the history books it goes down as a power grab or a political maneuver. this iraq thing has got spanish-american war written all over it. it's an imperial jackmove all gussied up like a War for Civilization Itself -- they're all gussied up the same way, and it's so obvious it's embarrassing.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/14/05 at 10:22 pm

Get off of Clinton already, he just got off of your moth....nah, scratch that.  Would you guys knock it off about Clinton already!
::)

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: danootaandme on 11/15/05 at 5:58 am


Sorry, have to checkmate you against that one.. I know a guy/talk show host who confirms hiw he spoke up...  going on about taking action in the line of the other senators who pushed for it as well...Take a listen to what Kerry had to say on audio at

www.kgoam810.com  look at the Dr. Bill Wattenburg site for the info on Kerry speaking up..THEN you'll get the idea.


Perhaps the problem here is that you speed read, or do not pay enough attention.  If you read my post you
will see that I was speaking of KENNEDY, not Kerry.  Ted K. has been very consistent in his feelings about
this, he was virtually alone; not anymore.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Save Me! on 11/15/05 at 12:19 pm


Perhaps the problem here is that you speed read, or do not pay enough attention.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: saver on 11/15/05 at 12:43 pm


Perhaps the problem here is that you speed read, or do not pay enough attention.

Subject: Re: Jimmy Kimmel Welcomes Rapists

Written By: Tia on 11/15/05 at 12:44 pm


Well, it starts with K, and he's a Rich White Liberal from Massachusetts -- they're all the same. Blabbety-blah-blah.

Bush didn't lie.

Subject: Let's Move On, Peeps -- Nothin' To See, Hear

Written By: Save Me! on 11/15/05 at 1:06 pm


Speaking of R. Kelly....can someone please explain to me why it's taking YEARS for this trial to even START?


Do we care?  Should we care?  Real life is all around us, and we're waiting for Entertainment Tonight's next story.  Sheesh.

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