Now he is a man I have never liked, but this last bit of celeb gossip if it is true, is unbelievable.

Apparently for Katie's birthday he gave her a bespoke set of all his films on DVD !?! Is there no end to the man's arrogance?? Mind you I guess she is too young to have seen alot of them. ;D   

I can't stand the guy either. ::)

I must admit that I liked Tom Cruise when he did Risky Business but over the years he had just gotten more and more obnoxious and arrogant.  I think that Nicole is SOOOOO much better off without him. I really do believe that he surpressed her career and what happened after they split? She won an Oscar (he never did).

I feel bad for Katie. Maybe someday she will wise up.



Cat

Tom Cruise is an ass-clown.  He's like this Mr. Big time movie star.  Hell, there are millions of actors who can act better than he can  ::)

I only really liked him in Legend.  I liked a few of his other movies, but I wouldn't go out of my way to watch them

I like a few of his movies, but the man himself has never been one of my favorite people.

Now he is a man I have never liked, but this last bit of celeb gossip if it is true, is unbelievable.

Apparently for Katie's birthday he gave her a bespoke set of all his films on DVD !?! Is there no end to the man's arrogance?? Mind you I guess she is too young to have seen alot of them. ;D   

What is it with people's hatred for history? This is the fourth topic I've seen that just has an essense of pure intolerance for love of historical arts.  "He wouldn't have listened to that song, it was written before he was born."  "How could you like Andy Griffith, you're only 20 years old!".  Where is it written that I, born in 1985 can't enjoy music from the 1960's?  Why do I feel such a force to be subjected only to "my" era of culture?  Are reruns only for those who experienced the entertainment at the time, or are they not for new generations to enjoy as well?  My radio dial is tuned to "Oldies" and it'll stay there.

I must admit that I liked Tom Cruise when he did Risky Business but over the years he had just gotten more and more obnoxious and arrogant.  I think that Nicole is SOOOOO much better off without him. I really do believe that he surpressed her career and what happened after they split? She won an Oscar (he never did).

I feel bad for Katie. Maybe someday she will wise up.



Cat


To call the cookie sweet but not the candy bar?  Nicole Kidman is just as arrogant and full of herself if not a lot more than Tom Cruise.  Thinking of all the "good" deeds each has done, more is the word for Cruise and not as many the word for Kidman.

Tom Cruise is nothing special, working at FBO at the airport in Oakland, CA, I saw Tom walking fast down the stairs from a private jet to his limo not even knowing that was him until my co worker mentioned it to me.  Now if Nicole was by his side, that would have been special!!! :o 
Heard there are rumors of Tom being gay and his female relationships are just a cover up.  Don't know, just something I have been told by a relative that used to be a intern at a LA entertainment TV show.

He has an ego problem....  ::)

Tom Cruise is nothing special, working at FBO at the airport in Oakland, CA, I saw Tom walking fast down the stairs from a private jet to his limo not even knowing that was him until my co worker mentioned it to me.  Now if Nicole was by his side, that would have been special!!! :o 
Heard there are rumors of Tom being gay and his female relationships are just a cover up.  Don't know, just something I have been told by a relative that used to be a intern at a LA entertainment TV show.


it's one thing to not like somebody, another to call someone a homosexual when it is not true.

it's one thing to not like somebody, another to call someone a homosexual when it is not true.


Well it may or may not be true.  I have a friend in the movie business in L.A., and my sister is in the music
industry and there are alot of people living dual lives.  It took me a long time to believe that Rock Hudson
was gay.  "Did you hear about Rock Hudson and Jim Nabors?"  I waited for the punchline, seriously, for a
couple of years, until Rock admitted to having aids. If he isn't so what, if he is so what, if he is and is putting
on a big show to counter the argument, well then he is doing a lot of emotional damage to at least one very young
seemingly naive person, and that is not right.

What is it with people's hatred for history? This is the fourth topic I've seen that just has an essense of pure intolerance for love of historical arts.  "He wouldn't have listened to that song, it was written before he was born."  "How could you like Andy Griffith, you're only 20 years old!".  Where is it written that I, born in 1985 can't enjoy music from the 1960's?  Why do I feel such a force to be subjected only to "my" era of culture?  Are reruns only for those who experienced the entertainment at the time, or are they not for new generations to enjoy as well?  My radio dial is tuned to "Oldies" and it'll stay there.

Well I figure maybe there is something in the saying that Americans don't get the British sense of humour................Harmonica sweetie, that last sentance of mine,it was a JOKE !!!
Hence the laughing face afterwards.
My overall point was my own incredulity for a man who could buy his girlfriend his own movies for her birthday, I mean that has to be someone who loves themselves *so* much.
           
Good god, you really couldn't have insulted me more by implying I am intolerant of history or historical performing arts.For the record I work in one of the world's most famous libraries because I love history and books. I have never, and would never say somone shouldn't enjoy classics whatever their form and anyone who does think like that quite frankly is a prat !
I am actually at a loss to see how you could have made your assumption from my original post. It's almost like you wilfully misinterpret people just to be able to have a rant.

Well I figure maybe there is something in the saying that Americans don't get the British sense of humour................Harmonica sweetie, that last sentance of mine,it was a JOKE !!!
Hence the laughing face afterwards.
My overall point was my own incredulity for a man who could buy his girlfriend his own movies for her birthday, I mean that has to be someone who loves themselves *so* much.
           
Good god, you really couldn't have insulted me more by implying I am intolerant of history or historical performing arts.For the record I work in one of the world's most famous libraries because I love history and books. I have never, and would never say somone shouldn't enjoy classics whatever their form and anyone who does think like that quite frankly is a prat !
I am actually at a loss to see how you could have made your assumption from my original post. It's almost like you wilfully misinterpret people just to be able to have a rant.


It isn't so much the American not getting the British joke.  Harmonica can be what my mother called "touchy".  I am envious of you
having access to the library that you work in.  I am a very big fan of libraries.  When I go away on a trip I always stop in at the local
library just to have a look. 

I am afraid that both him and Sean Penn, are becoming humorless blobs. If their egos get any bigger, they won't be able to fit in the own heads anymore.  ::)  ;D

I saw the South Park episode that made fun of him recently. It was funny!  ;D

I am glad that people around like Matt and Trey, who are not afraid to make of celebrites, and the silly things they do.  ;D

I am envious of you having access to the library that you work in.  I am a very big fan of libraries.  When I go away on a trip I always stop in at the local
library just to have a look. 
I love it, mind you it's not so much fun at the moment as it is term time and we are flat out busy so no time to sit and read *sigh*  ;)

I love it, mind you it's not so much fun at the moment as it is term time and we are flat out busy so no time to sit and read *sigh*  ;)


those darn students.  Working at a university would be all right if it wasn't for them!!

Well I figure maybe there is something in the saying that Americans don't get the British sense of humour................Harmonica sweetie, that last sentance of mine,it was a JOKE !!!
Hence the laughing face afterwards.
My overall point was my own incredulity for a man who could buy his girlfriend his own movies for her birthday, I mean that has to be someone who loves themselves *so* much.
           
Good god, you really couldn't have insulted me more by implying I am intolerant of history or historical performing arts.For the record I work in one of the world's most famous libraries because I love history and books. I have never, and would never say somone shouldn't enjoy classics whatever their form and anyone who does think like that quite frankly is a prat !
I am actually at a loss to see how you could have made your assumption from my original post. It's almost like you wilfully misinterpret people just to be able to have a rant.


Don't call me sweetie and tell me I can't enjoy a song that was released before I was born, or a television show that has been off the air 15 years prior to my birth.  You said, "well it was BEFORE she was born"  So F'N what? She can watch Charlie Chaplin films if she wants to.

IT WAS A JOKE!!!!  Noone was saying you can't enjoy whatever you want.  IT WAS A JOKE!!!!  Lighten up, man!  IT WAS A JOKE!!!!  TC is old enough to be her father.  IT WAS A JOKE!!!!



A teen father at the most.  Tell me to lighten up? Hey, I'm still smiling, funny looking smile you got, looks more like a frown.

Please you two, don't start again.    ::)

Don't call me sweetie and tell me I can't enjoy a song that was released before I was born, or a television show that has been off the air 15 years prior to my birth.  You said, "well it was BEFORE she was born"  So F'N what? She can watch Charlie Chaplin films if she wants to.



holy crap..it's only Tom Cruise...nothing to get your panties in a bunch over.  It was joke...nothing was meant to be offensive...end of story. ::)

holy crap..it's only Tom Cruise...nothing to get your panties in a bunch over.  It was joke...nothing was meant to be offensive...end of story. ::)


I suppose the assassination of a president wasn't meant to be a politcal statement. 

I think Tom Cruise is very creepy.  I don't find anything about him attractive :P

I suppose the assassination of a president wasn't meant to be a politcal statement. 


For goodness sake - get a grip!  ::)

I suppose the assassination of a president wasn't meant to be a politcal statement. 



Huh?  ???


Once again, you have manage to take a thread WAY off topic. We were talking about how Tom Cruise has a big ego and is so full of himself and why that seems to bother you, I have no idea. Tom Cruise is a public figure-like many others whether they be celebrities or political figures. The KNOW that once they hit the public, they are subject to ridicule as well as praise. That is just part of the territory. But you seem to be taking this too personally. I agree with Crazymom, you need to lighten up. Unless you just like to argue and find ANYTHING to argue about. And if that is the case, you seem to be doing a good job with it.



Cat

Huh?   ???


Once again, you have manage to take a thread WAY off topic. We were talking about how Tom Cruise has a big ego and is so full of himself and why that seems to bother you, I have no idea. Tom Cruise is a public figure-like many others whether they be celebrities or political figures. The KNOW that once they hit the public, they are subject to ridicule as well as praise. That is just part of the territory. But you seem to be taking this too personally. I agree with Crazymom, you need to lighten up. Unless you just like to argue and find ANYTHING to argue about. And if that is the case, you seem to be doing a good job with it.



Cat



I agree with Cat...this thread wasn't meant to start anything political...if you want to argue...go to the political board.

Apparently I'm in the minority, I like Tom Cruise.  He's usually a pretty good actor, he takes on a wide variety of roles in my opinion, some are better then others.  I read somewhere that he often helps local causes where he's shooting films, in one instance putting money in a can for a sick kid at the local Dairy Queen where he was filming, although it was probably his assistant, I can't imagine him getting his own food.  But anyways, I wonder if what is perceived as his arrogance, is about defending himself about not being gay (which would have a tremendous effect on getting romantic leads).  I'm sure the DVDs weren't the only thing he did for her birthday, for goodness sake, he bought a freakin' sonogram machine when she got preggers, and is donating to some clinic that needs it after they have the baby. 

I like him as an actor, and really haven't seen anything that shows me he is evil incarnate.  He has some really strong religous beliefs that I don't happen to agree with and he has insulted people in the name of his religion.  There *are* other religions that do the same thing (insult people) because they don't happen to agree with their teachings.  He probably went too far lately in alot of his public dealings, but that is his perogative.

I think it's amazing he's done 33 films in 25 years, alot of them quality.  I, myself, can't even imagine being away from my family for that long.  Each movie (except for Eyes wide shut which took over a year of filming) usually takes about 3 or 4 months to film.

Anyways, I guess I've probably overstated my point, but I think he's ok, just about as good as any other Hollywood actor who has been in the business that long.

I feel bad for Katie. Maybe someday she will wise up.


She has to.  Can anyone really imagine her staying with him forever?  She's what, 23, 24?  She'll leave him way before she hits 30.

If he isn't so what, if he is so what, if he is and is putting
on a big show to counter the argument, well then he is doing a lot of emotional damage to at least one very young
seemingly naive person, and that is not right.


I don't think Katie's all that naive.  I'm sure if this is the "arrangement" many rumor it to be, she knew exactly what she was doing when she agreed to it.  This gives her exposure that she likely wouldn't have gotten otherwise.  She is not a sexpot type like many of the more popular actresses in her age group, and the public seems to want that.  Whether or not he is gay -- and I find it easy to believe he is -- she did this to get her face out there.  Definitely not for love.

Huh?   ???


Once again, you have manage to take a thread WAY off topic. We were talking about how Tom Cruise has a big ego and is so full of himself and why that seems to bother you, I have no idea. Tom Cruise is a public figure-like many others whether they be celebrities or political figures. The KNOW that once they hit the public, they are subject to ridicule as well as praise. That is just part of the territory. But you seem to be taking this too personally. I agree with Crazymom, you need to lighten up. Unless you just like to argue and find ANYTHING to argue about. And if that is the case, you seem to be doing a good job with it.



Cat



whoa now we're back to being serious again.  You need to make up your mind. 

It doesn't bother me that he's being ridiculed, even Jesus was hated.  Only thing that's bothered me is I was told that in round about way I couldn't enjoy historical arts and people actually calling Tom Cruise a homosexual, which he is not.

Apparently I'm in the minority, I like Tom Cruise.  He's usually a pretty good actor, he takes on a wide variety of roles in my opinion, some are better then others.  I read somewhere that he often helps local causes where he's shooting films, in one instance putting money in a can for a sick kid at the local Dairy Queen where he was filming, although it was probably his assistant, I can't imagine him getting his own food.  But anyways, I wonder if what is perceived as his arrogance, is about defending himself about not being gay (which would have a tremendous effect on getting romantic leads).  I'm sure the DVDs weren't the only thing he did for her birthday, for goodness sake, he bought a freakin' sonogram machine when she got preggers, and is donating to some clinic that needs it after they have the baby. 

I like him as an actor, and really haven't seen anything that shows me he is evil incarnate.  He has some really strong religous beliefs that I don't happen to agree with and he has insulted people in the name of his religion.  There *are* other religions that do the same thing (insult people) because they don't happen to agree with their teachings.  He probably went too far lately in alot of his public dealings, but that is his perogative.

I think it's amazing he's done 33 films in 25 years, alot of them quality.  I, myself, can't even imagine being away from my family for that long.  Each movie (except for Eyes wide shut which took over a year of filming) usually takes about 3 or 4 months to film.

Anyways, I guess I've probably overstated my point, but I think he's ok, just about as good as any other Hollywood actor who has been in the business that long.


In the minority yes, alone no.

It doesn't bother me that he's being ridiculed, even Jesus was hated.  Only thing that's bothered me is I was told that in round about way I couldn't enjoy historical arts and people actually calling Tom Cruise a homosexual, which he is not.
Ok lets get this straight  I did *NOT* tell anyone and CERTAINLY not you personally that you can't enjoy 'historical arts' as you call them. I notice you managed to completely ignore when I made exactly that same point in my other post.It was a joke hence the smiley face.

For the love of god, (and you are not alone in that either, though you act as if you are the only christian on these boards.) It was a joke, I sure even Jesus cracked a few of those in his time !

Oh and sorry if the 'sweetie' offended you I call everyone sweetie even people who seem to have had a sense of humour bypass !

For the love of god, (and you are not alone in that either, though you act as if you are the only christian on these boards.) It was a joke, I sure even Jesus cracked a few of those in his time !




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Ok lets get this straight  I did *NOT* tell anyone and CERTAINLY not you personally that you can't enjoy 'historical arts' as you call them. I notice you managed to completely ignore when I made exactly that same point in my other post.It was a joke hence the smiley face.

For the love of god, (and you are not alone in that either, though you act as if you are the only christian on these boards.) It was a joke, I sure even Jesus cracked a few of those in his time !

Oh and sorry if the 'sweetie' offended you I call everyone sweetie even people who seem to have had a sense of humour bypass !



Well sorta why I said round about.  Jesus laughed, not sure if it was jokes, but he moments of laughter. 

I took 7th place outta 25 people one time in a stand up comedy contest. Shoulda gotten higher, but the talent was good.

How many people have to tell you IT WAS A JOKE for it to set in?  And, he might be gay.  It wouldn't be the first time a "ladies man" was later found to be gay.....Rock Hudson anyone?
IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!!  IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!  IT WAS A JOKE!!!!  IT WAS A JOKE!!!  IT WAS A JOKE!!   IT WAS A JOKE! 


You might be a lesbian. You might be a former man who had a sex change.  You might be Ted Bundy resurected in flesh and blood. I'd like to see you laugh when people make jokes in the manner.  You could be a pedophile.  You still laughing?

Apparently I'm in the minority, I like Tom Cruise.  He's usually a pretty good actor, he takes on a wide variety of roles in my opinion, some are better then others.  I read somewhere that he often helps local causes where he's shooting films, in one instance putting money in a can for a sick kid at the local Dairy Queen where he was filming, although it was probably his assistant, I can't imagine him getting his own food.  But anyways, I wonder if what is perceived as his arrogance, is about defending himself about not being gay (which would have a tremendous effect on getting romantic leads).  I'm sure the DVDs weren't the only thing he did for her birthday, for goodness sake, he bought a freakin' sonogram machine when she got preggers, and is donating to some clinic that needs it after they have the baby. 

I like him as an actor, and really haven't seen anything that shows me he is evil incarnate.  He has some really strong religous beliefs that I don't happen to agree with and he has insulted people in the name of his religion.  There *are* other religions that do the same thing (insult people) because they don't happen to agree with their teachings.  He probably went too far lately in alot of his public dealings, but that is his perogative.

I think it's amazing he's done 33 films in 25 years, alot of them quality.  I, myself, can't even imagine being away from my family for that long.  Each movie (except for Eyes wide shut which took over a year of filming) usually takes about 3 or 4 months to film.

Anyways, I guess I've probably overstated my point, but I think he's ok, just about as good as any other Hollywood actor who has been in the business that long.


Tom Cruise isn't that bad.  I mean, a lot of celebrities have fallen more, and even if he fell to the lowest point he'd still be a good entertainer. Scientology is BS, but there's no reason people shouldn't be allowed to believe in what I label BS.

Well, let's see, I'm too old to be Ted Bundy resurrected....yeah, I could be a pedophile, but people who know me would be laughing at that accusation.  A former man who had a sex change?  Not possible since I've given birth 3 times.  A lesbian?  That is possible, but if I wasn't, it wouldn't bother me because I have nothing against lesbians and I've been called MUCH worse.   See, some of us can take a joke....I hear jokes about women all the time, but I realize they're JOKES so I don't take it personally.....so, yeah, I'm still laughing. ;D ;D ;D


Keep laughing, without a sense of humor, live ain't worth living.  :)

Well, let's see, I'm too old to be Ted Bundy resurrected....yeah, I could be a pedophile, but people who know me would be laughing at that accusation.  A former man who had a sex change?  Not possible since I've given birth 3 times.  A lesbian?  That is possible, but if I wasn't, it wouldn't bother me because I have nothing against lesbians and I've been called MUCH worse.   See, some of us can take a joke....I hear jokes about women all the time, but I realize they're JOKES so I don't take it personally.....so, yeah, I'm still laughing. ;D ;D ;D


After all, why should you be offended at an insult that's not true? 

Well, let's see, I'm too old to be Ted Bundy resurrected....yeah, I could be a pedophile, but people who know me would be laughing at that accusation.  A former man who had a sex change?  Not possible since I've given birth 3 times.  A lesbian?  That is possible, but if I wasn't, it wouldn't bother me because I have nothing against lesbians and I've been called MUCH worse.   See, some of us can take a joke....I hear jokes about women all the time, but I realize they're JOKES so I don't take it personally.....so, yeah, I'm still laughing. ;D ;D ;D

AFA Tom Cruise being gay, if he IS, would that change your opinion about his acting abilities or his movies?  I could care less what a person does with another consenting adult behind closed doors.  It's not going to change my opinion of him/her.  If only everyone could be so open-minded ::)


If Tom cruise ends up being a homosexual he's still going to be one of my favorites. The poster I have of him on my wall with a saying that keeps me plugging along isn't going anywhere.  For the fact of the matter, you only think you're open minded, and you're open minded to the ideas inwhich you see favorable.  I'm just as open minded as you are.

What is it with people's hatred for history? This is the fourth topic I've seen that just has an essense of pure intolerance for love of historical arts.  "He wouldn't have listened to that song, it was written before he was born."  "How could you like Andy Griffith, you're only 20 years old!".   Where is it written that I, born in 1985 can't enjoy music from the 1960's?  Why do I feel such a force to be subjected only to "my" era of culture?  Are reruns only for those who experienced the entertainment at the time, or are they not for new generations to enjoy as well?  My radio dial is tuned to "Oldies" and it'll stay there.


I agree.  I kind of feel that some children of the '60s, '70s, '80s, etc. want me to like emo, MTV rap, and reality shows, and that I am unwelcome to like stuff from before I can remember/was alive.

I agree.  I kind of feel that some children of the '60s, '70s, '80s, etc. want me to like emo, MTV rap, and reality shows, and that I am unwelcome to like stuff from before I can remember/was alive.


You ever get pressure from the other side.  Like some of the "popular" crowd doesn't accept you because you're not into Rap music or you don't happen to like the new teeny bopper movie that recently came out?  They laugh at me for having a favorite actor that starting acting in films in 1940's and has been gone from us since 1995.  They think the new and young stars they name off are so talented and absolutely amazing. Some of the are exactly that.  However, a lot of them are mediocre talent caught up in the mainstream of popularity that will soon fade away into a forgotten era whereas the actors I praise will forever be remembered.

If Tom cruise ends up being a homosexual he's still going to be one of my favorites. The poster I have of him on my wall with a saying that keeps me plugging along isn't going anywhere.  For the fact of the matter, you only think you're open minded, and you're open minded to the ideas inwhich you see favorable.  I'm just as open minded as you are.



You have a poster of Tom Cruise on your wall? 

You ever get pressure from the other side.  Like some of the "popular" crowd doesn't accept you because you're not into Rap music or you don't happen to like the new teeny bopper movie that recently came out?   They laugh at me for having a favorite actor that starting acting in films in 1940's and has been gone from us since 1995.  They think the new and young stars they name off are so talented and absolutely amazing. Some of the are exactly that.  However, a lot of them are mediocre talent caught up in the mainstream of popularity that will soon fade away into a forgotten era whereas the actors I praise will forever be remembered.


Actually, I home school, but on the rare occasion that I do get out, I do sort of get sucked into the moment.  

Trends are always annoying, but at least back in the day there were trends, rather than simply the same old thing.

Did I just luck out then? With whom are you guys associating? Sure, not everybody I know/have known shares/has shared my taste in music. However, the majority of people from other generations appreciate my appreciation of pop culture of the same, just as they don't find themselves limited to things from "their time," whatever that's supposed to be. My peers certainly don't outcast me on the basis of my preferences in films and music!

However, there may be something in the way these opinions are presented. I don't consider myself elitist about my preferences - I try to appreciate a variety of genres of film, music, etc. Even if I don't like something, I try to acknowledge its existence and other people's rights to like it. If both of y'all can say the same, then I'm forced to conclude you've both encountered some of the most unfortunate people, or are perceiving overtones and/or undertones that don't actually exist, because most of my experience and observation would contradict the generality being made.


I think the Boomer generation is very "elitist" about their stuff.  They act like the Beach Boys, Stones, Beatles, etc. mean the same thing to X and Y as it did to them, which really isn't true.  Most Gen Xers will admit that their time wasn't a Utopian era, and Y probably will too.

shoot, to be honest with ya'll...if Tom Cruise WAS gay...I think I would like him more than I do currently. ;D  I have a thing about gay men....if you haven't already heard...and no, I am not a man-turned woman, a gay lesbian, Boy George in drag, or anything else for that matter. ::) :D

That goes for the "older" generation as well.  Where I live, most of the parents are NOT into emo or rock or anything remotely "new".  When I say that I like some of the stuff, they look at me like I have 2 heads.  When I took my oldest to see Bowling for Soup last year, you'd have thought I said I was taking him to a ritual sacrifice. :o  Personally, I think it's cool that some of the "younger" generation is getting into some of the stuff that I grew up on.....makes me seem not quite as "square" to them 8)


That's true.

Isn't Chicago a big center for pop-punk and emo?  Fall Out Boy hail from there, and I think BFS do too.

No, BFS are from Denton, Texas.  FOB, I think you are right.  Smashing Pumpkins were also from here....and, of course, there was always "Wayne's World" ;D


A-ha. 

Have you been to the high school Ferris Bueller was filmed at?  I've seen it on GoogleEarth.

I'd still love you even if you WERE any of those things ;)



aww..thanks Kim! ;) :-*

No, they're from Norway ;D ;D
   I dated a guy in college who went there (and lived down the street from "his house") and a different guy who went to the school "The Breakfast Club" was filmed in.  John Hughes used quite a bit of Chicago in his films.


That's pretty cool.  Did you ever walk by when The Breakfast Club was filmed?

The West Coast culture sucks.  All we have to our name is coffee and microchips  ;D

Did I just luck out then? With whom are you guys associating? Sure, not everybody I know/have known shares/has shared my taste in music. However, the majority of people from other generations appreciate my appreciation of pop culture of the same, just as they don't find themselves limited to things from "their time," whatever that's supposed to be. My peers certainly don't outcast me on the basis of my preferences in films and music!

However, there may be something in the way these opinions are presented. I don't consider myself elitist about my preferences - I try to appreciate a variety of genres of film, music, etc. Even if I don't like something, I try to acknowledge its existence and other people's rights to like it. If both of y'all can say the same, then I'm forced to conclude you've both encountered some of the most unfortunate people, or are perceiving overtones and/or undertones that don't actually exist, because most of my experience and observation would contradict the generality being made.


I've always considered myself the weirdo.  We played "Guess that tune" the other night in a friends room and as soon as the song would come on I'd name the song and the artist.  After a while the other people just shook their heads at me and I said, "alright, I won't guess the next one."  Song came on for about 1:15 and they all looked at me and said, "you know it" and I gave a "well" and my friends said, "say it"  and I said, "Werewolves of London, Warren Zevon". 

I didn't (I lived too far away and was too young to drive up there :() but the guy I dated had pics of himself with Judd Nelson & Emilio Estevez.  The other guy was an extra in Ferris Bueller.....you can see part of him in the hallway when they are on the pay phones ;D

Oh cool! If I ever get the DVD I'll look and tell you if I see him!

You really got some connections  8)  ;D

If it won't change your opinion of him, why are you so pissy about people saying he might be gay?  No, I'm open minded about pretty much everything...I'd like you to name 1 thing that I'm not open-minded about (other than pedophilia or anything else illegal)....I can name quite a few that you AREN'T: 

Closed-minded thinking:  Homosexuality is wrong!!!
Open-minded:  Hey, it's not for me, but who am I to say what 2 consenting adults do?

Closed-minded thinking:  God is the ultimate power!!!
Open-minded:  I'm not sure, but more power to you for believing in him.

Closed-minded thinking:  I'm always right!!!
Open-minded:  I always think I'm right, but willing to accept I'm wrong if someone proves otherwise.

Closed-minded thinking:  Everyone who does not believe in Christianity is trying to eliminate it.
Open-minded thinking:  To each his/her own.


I don't think homosexuality is wrong, I just don't think it's necessarily right.  I have gay friends whether you want to believe me on that statement or not.  I have 3 gay friends and 2 lesbian ffriends. I don't see them having an easier time getting to Hell than me or a harder time getting to Heaven than other christians.

God is the ultimate power is a not a closed minded statement, it is a statement inwhich shows the strength of faith.  You don't believe it whole heartedly, well then you don't I guess, I on the other hand believe in full effort. Everything you got.

I don't think I'm always right.  Much to the truth I try and come up with the best explanation I can, but I'm not always right.  Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong.  I won't be told that the Texas chainsaw Massacre really happened anymore than I'll be told that MY favorite team is the Chicago Whitesox.  Texas Chainsaw Massacre didnt' happen, I know that for a fact.  It is not my opinion or how I feel, it is a fact.  Toby Hooper the screenwriter/producer/director/creator himself said is never really happened but was loosely loosely based on stories his uncles and cousins told him about the real life Eddy Gein of Plainfield, Wisconsin.  When I know I"m right, I won't back down.  Other than that, like recently in life decisions I"ve found out that I was wrong.  I'm much more humble than you'll ever care to know.  

Everyone who is trying to eliminate christianity, is trying to eliminate Christianity.  That's why I beleive.

 Not really.....there's a reason why they're all EX's ;D

Although, I DO have a connection with BFS, which is why I took my son to see them:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dc20b3127cce975213c5499000000010108AaNGLVo5bte





aww is there any way of making the pic bigger, Kim...I can hardly make it out. :-\\

 Not really.....there's a reason why they're all EX's ;D

Although, I DO have a connection with BFS, which is why I took my son to see them:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dc20b3127cce975213c5499000000010108AaNGLVo5bte




;D

That's cool.  I don't know any famous musicians, but I'm trying to get to know my local scene here in Oregon.

Try THIS




that's much better! Very cool picture! ;)

Hey, if this is how you see yourself, more power to you.  Previous statements made by you contradict some of these, but that's neither here nor there.

You've still not answered the question (if you don't have a problem with homosexuality,)why does it bother you so much that people are saying TC might be gay?  You have no problem saying untruths about others (mostly ME), why should it bother you so much if someone says something that YOU think is not true?

Can't find 1 thing I'm "closed-minded" about,can you?


Cause it's not true.  That's why. False accusations is what they are and they have no place.  Name one reason why people call Tom Cruise "gay" other than they don't like him.  That's not a legimate reason and it doesn't stand.

No I can't find 1 thing, not just one thing, a bunch, sure.

Cause it's not true.  That's why. False accusations is what they are and they have no place.  Name one reason why people call Tom Cruise "gay" other than they don't like him.  That's not a legimate reason and it doesn't stand.

No I can't find 1 thing, not just one thing, a bunch, sure.



just as you say that he is not gay...whose to say that he isn't? Nobody knows one's sexual orientation, that it unless they "come out" publically. Do you have solid, 100% proof that he is indeed straight as a board?  Maybe he is bisexual and likes to swing both ways? Nobody (including you) knows for sure who someone else is attracted to. ::)

Nobody said he was gay. It was speculation that was tossed out there, as in, just a possibility. Nobody affirmed it. Nobody claimed to have proof.

And the fact that you think gay when used in the context of homosexual is an insult speaks volumes about you.


You call me gay you ARE insulting me. You can anyone that, that isn't a homosexual, you ARE insulting them. Show's plenty of volume about you.

Please, name them if you can......I'd like to know.....

I like TC, but that doesn't influence whether or not I think he's "gay".  Personally, I couldn't care less what other people think about him.  It's not going to change my opinion of him.


That's all fine and dandy, you're not the one thats at stake here. Mr. Cruise is.

you're close minded to anything that puts control back int hands of a moderator. You want people to do what they, as much as they want, whenever they want.  You see no moderation, it's what, when, how and why you want to, or you don't see it as a freedom.  If it ain't all for you, then it might as well be nothing.

 Not really.....there's a reason why they're all EX's ;D

Although, I DO have a connection with BFS, which is why I took my son to see them:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dc20b3127cce975213c5499000000010108AaNGLVo5bte

That is so cool ! As you may remember I am a huge BFS fan, infact they are my favourite band at the moment and have been for about 2 years now.Sadly they haven't played anywhere near me in over a year Boohoo  :\'( 

well if we are going to discuss Tom Cruise in general.
I think he is a great actor and has made some fantastic films, but as he's got older I've found his attitude harder and harder to accept. His recent comments on treating mental illnesses like schizophrenia with vitamins are plain stupid, and comments attacking women who have suffered with post natal depression are crass and insensitive to say the least !
I also hate the way he has that Mel Gibson need to rewrite history now he's producing his own films. I won't even start on the scientology stuff.I believe each to their own with religeon but people have the right to make their own choices and not be told what they must follow.

You call me gay you ARE insulting me. You can anyone that, that isn't a homosexual, you ARE insulting them. Show's plenty of volume about you.


Since when is being called gay and insult.  For it to be an insult means that it has derogatory connotations.  I don't know any gay people(and I do know a few) who consider being mistaken for a heterosexual as an insult.  People do, for whatever reasons,
speculate on other peoples sexuality.  I will bet more than a few raise eyebrows at your poster of Tom Cruise. 

Since when is being called gay and insult.  For it to be an insult means that it has derogatory connotations.  I don't know any gay people(and I do know a few) who consider being mistaken for a heterosexual as an insult.  People do, for whatever reasons,
speculate on other peoples sexuality.  I will bet more than a few raise eyebrows at your poster of Tom Cruise.   


My poster of Tom Cruise is a motivational poster with him in his high school wrestling warm up that reads, "I Blew my knee out, my wrestling career was over. I tried out for a play, and I got the lead part."  It doesn't raise to many eyebrows.

What the hell does that mean?  If you mean I'm not going to tell someone else what they can/cannot believe in, you're darned right.  I will give them MY opinion and let them make THEIR OWN choice, but I don't see how that can even REMOTELY be considered "closed minded".  You couldn't come up with anything specific, could you?  So, as usual, you "skate" around the question.

I STILL don't see how TC is "at stake" by people thinking he might be gay.  If he ends up being gay, yeah, there will be some bigoted people who won't watch his movies anymore because of it, but there will be just as many who will START because of it.

And, I still don't see how someone thinking you are gay is an insult.  If you KNOW you aren't, then what's the big deal?  Why is it so important what other people think about you?  Obviously, you see being gay as "bad" and "straight" as "good".  People are wrong about me all the time and it doesn't bother me, why is it such a big deal to you?


Oh come on, you're not that niave to not know how insulting it is to be called something you are not.  I didn't skate around the question, I saw it exactly how I see it.  If you're not intune enough to know how much of an effect being called gay and inventually names like fag would be to Tom Cruise, we'll I give you way to much credit. 

I dont' see Gay as being bad and straight as being good.  I see calling a gay person gay good.  Calling a straight person Straight good.  Calling a gay person straight bad. Calling a straight person gay bad. 

When I was in college, I hung out with a very open lesbian ALL THE TIME. I'm sure many people thought that I was because of our friendship. Did it bother me? Not in the least. Trust me, there are worst things to be called than a lesbian, gay, or homosexual-like say, being a bigot.




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I too think it is damaging to a person's character if they are insinuated as being gay if they aren't.  Perhaps my thinking is warped too, I guess.  I don't see anything wrong with being gay if you are.  I know a guy that won't come out that he is gay because he thinks that his grandmother won't be able to handle it.  That is his decision, if he chooses to live his life under the cover of being gay, that is his decision.  The same should be said with a straight person being accused of being gay.  Why can't we accept people for who and what their personalities are, what does it even matter who is straight or who is gay?  I prefer to like Tom because I think he's a great actor. 

My ex-husband, bullied me into accepting his divorce proposal by telling me he would tell the court that I was gay and there wasn't anything I could do about it.  Meanwhile, his girlfriend sat out in the waiting area and was pointing and laughing at me when the court was over.  Yes, I let him manipulate me by his telling a lie (or several), I *should* have stood up for myself, but by that point, I didn't want to be married to him anymore anyways, and nothing would have been gained if I'd fought that accusation.  My point being, I guess, that the mere threat was enough to keep me under control.  Hindsight is 20/20.  I was not strong enough to fight it then, it's ancient history now.
If being accused of being is not meant as a threat, why bring it up at all?  It's not like somebody says "Oh...look at Brad Pitt, isn't it great that he's straight?"

Since when is being called gay and insult.  For it to be an insult means that it has derogatory connotations. 

Not always, Danoota... I would be insulted if someone thought I was a man... I don't have a masculine voice, but one time at a drive through speaker I was called "sir" and I would have been insulted except I know it was only because of a speaker malfunction...  I don't think "sir" is a derogatory term...

As far as Tom Cruise, there is nothing wrong with saying that it's been speculated that he's gay... Nobody on this board is claiming he's gay, they are just relaying that rumors have been published.  The fact that rumors of him being gay have been published is 100% true, but these people weren't the starters of the rumors... so if you have a problem with it, you should write to the National Enquirer and complain...

I too think it is damaging to a person's character if they are insinuated as being gay if they aren't.  Perhaps my thinking is warped too, I guess.  I don't see anything wrong with being gay if you are.  I know a guy that won't come out that he is gay because he thinks that his grandmother won't be able to handle it.  That is his decision, if he chooses to live his life under the cover of being gay, that is his decision.  The same should be said with a straight person being accused of being gay.  Why can't we accept people for who and what their personalities are, what does it even matter who is straight or who is gay?  I prefer to like Tom because I think he's a great actor. 

My ex-husband, bullied me into accepting his divorce proposal by telling me he would tell the court that I was gay and there wasn't anything I could do about it.  Meanwhile, his girlfriend sat out in the waiting area and was pointing and laughing at me when the court was over.  Yes, I let him manipulate me by his telling a lie (or several), I *should* have stood up for myself, but by that point, I didn't want to be married to him anymore anyways, and nothing would have been gained if I'd fought that accusation.  My point being, I guess, that the mere threat was enough to keep me under control.  Hindsight is 20/20.  I was not strong enough to fight it then, it's ancient history now.
If being accused of being is not meant as a threat, why bring it up at all?  It's not like somebody says "Oh...look at Brad Pitt, isn't it great that he's straight?"


Insults only hurt if you believe them, which many people do because they simply assume there's truth to it even if there's not a grain of accuracy.  If you don't buy into an insult, you're just playing the victim.  The only exception is if it's from someone you like, because that means they don't like you as much as you think.

Gee, I only said I HEARD about him being gay...  but still  ::) I would trust that source!!!

It doesn't bother me that he's being ridiculed, even Jesus was hated. 



Wait did you just compare.. Tom Cruise.. to JESUS..?!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/A_VictimOfYou/WHAAA.jpg ...?!


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http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/A_VictimOfYou/GOD.jpg


..His dad looks kinda pissed at that little statement..

To be fair, that pictorial comparison isn't fair at all. We have no concept of what Jesus's pecs look like.




she wasn't comparing looks...she was merely amused by Harmonica's attempt to compare Tom Cruise to Jesus (saying that even Jesus was mocked, etc).

Sorry, I didn't realize I'd entered a joke-free thread... yeesh


maybe you should have added a smiley to the pecs post?  ???

she wasn't comparing looks...she was merely amused by Harmonica's attempt to compare Tom Cruise to Jesus (saying that even Jesus was mocked, etc).


I'm bedazzaled that I'm accused of trying to compare Jesus to Tom Cruise.  I did not do so.  I stated a simple fact.  Dan Marino was a quaterback, so was John Elway...I'm not comparing the two...I"m stating a fact.

i heard an irresponsible rumor that tom cruise might be an openly practicing, shameless scientologist? who blames women for having post-partum depression? but i'm sure it isn't true.

i love finding heatedly acrimonious threads and carelessly posting in them after briefly skimming them. it's so unwise!  8)

I'm really confused here. I thought pointing out a similar characteristic was, by definition, comparison? I mean, if saying that Dan Marino and John Elway are both quarterbacks isn't pointing out a similarity between the two, what is it? Two random facts that just by fluke happen to form an implicit comparison? Just like, if I say: "Dan Marino was a quarterback. Tom Cruise wasn't." in that proximity, I'm contrasting the two, even if I use two independent sentences...?


Harmonica doesn't necessarily stick to the strictures of conventional logic and reasoned rhetoric, bless his heart. His approach to debating is more improvisational.

Wait did you just compare.. Tom Cruise.. to JESUS..?!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/A_VictimOfYou/WHAAA.jpg ...?!


...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/A_VictimOfYou/GOD.jpg


..His dad looks kinda pissed at that little statement..



;D