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Subject: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: velvetoneo on 02/11/06 at 8:01 pm

Later 2006/2007- The real estate market crashes. The American economy goes into a severe recession based on the cycle of loans being unable to be paid, and various banks go bankrupt. Disastrous for the American family and for big business. Approval ratings and business trust ratings plummet.

-Some very, very '80s fashions start to come back in style that will remain in for the rest of the decade. These include, evinced by the latest fashion week, big jackets, tapered skinny pants, puffy shoulders and shoulderpads, metallic accents and materials, baggy sweaters, etc. At the end even some of the hairstyles will come back in fashion.

-Anti-China sentiment rises in US and "buying American" for low-cost goods becomes fairly popular as Americans get an economic dose of reality.

-Dieting trends and low-fat trends become fairly unpopular for a few years. Americans have too much else to worry about.

-Middle-class becomes disgruntled and disenchanted.

2008/2009- Republican candidate loses to a Democrat. Democrat inherits massive national debt, etc.
Democrat is some sort of Southerner.

-Some of the emo and bling/crunk rap gets so far out there it actually becomes cheesy, but is still somewhat popular.

-iPods lose popularity somewhere around late 2008 or 2009 as they become the establishment. iTunes does something stupid that turns people off to it, but most use it anyway. The hipster scene becomes so excessive and maligned that some people are clued onto it. People also get bored with the whole damn thing.

-TiVo loses some trendiness and networks begin dealing with it in new and creative ways.

-Kanye West or Conor Oberst or Beyonce Knowles drives into a tree while heroining up and/or is found owning a coterie of underage boys or girls.

-Crystal meth addiction becomes nationwide, reaching East Coast and large cities briefly. Causes drug panic and a generation of early post-Gen Z meth babies.

-sheeshty economy causes immigration to decline for awhile as Bush narrowly passes anti-immigration laws and builds wall across Arizona border. Becomes even more unpopular. After this, Dems surefire to win.

2010/2011

-A new group of intelligent sitcoms premieres, both on network TV and cable.

-The hipster scene and scenester scene effectively dies and a new "anti-scene" appears, inspired by the late 1980s-early 1990s grunge scene. A true, unpretentious classic rock revival becomes popular again. People become extremely cynical about indie rock's true commerciality in the 2000s and the vacuousness and materialism of the 2000s as a whole and begin to be inspired by the 1990s. The 2010s will be trendy rather than hip. Part of this is the ongoing recession we are struggling to climb out of, but there is alot of creative energy underground right now. The disneyifiedness, trendiness, and "hipness" (cough cough money opportunity) of the 2000s submerges and becomes unpopular-both due to the recession and due to a cultural sea change.

-We are engaged in a developing cold war with China.

-A so-called new age of rap starts rejecting the materialistic party music of the bling and crunk rap. Focuses on urban themes and starts somewhere in the northeastern corridor, perhaps NYC or Philadelphia, Detroit, etc.

-Hybrids become widely available. A new ethanol fuel also starts use and intensifies in popularity over the next few years, with people getting retooled engines on older cars to accommodate it.

-'90s style fashion becomes popular again and experiences significant revival, with layers, babydoll dresses, and a grunge-inspired grungy look coming in. People start to malign hipsters so much it makes them cry.

2012/2013-

-Classic rock-inspired/grunge-inspired/late '80s alt-rock inspired, unpretentious music becomes popular with so-called Generation Z, beginning in 1995. Generation Z has been found to be unspectacular in the teen consumerism and brainwashing ratings and are cynical and comparatively unacceptant of American culture, and fairly anti-materialistic. Generation Y dismisses it and plays with their iPods and gets drunk. We are also right now in a starting true baby boom as baby boom echoers have many children and settle down early to have babies.

-Generation Z also rejects Gen Y icons MySpace and the iPod, choosing to go out and find their own new music themselves, along with many late generation Yers.

-Said president is reelected to second term. Massive legislation passed protecting American jobs, American economy slowly crawling out of recession back to normal levels at this point.

-Simple, non-tech living becomes somewhat popular, with people returning to traditions to find themselves across the country.

-Gay marriage legislation is defeated in New York, sadly. Republicans attempt to start scandal involving this new president. Some influential movie comes out that is supposed to change American filmaking.

-Younger people begin rebellion against globalization and the Boom/Y cultural and tech establishment, look back both to early 1990s counterculture and to the 1960s and 1970s.

-Worker's rights movement reaches zenith.

-Meth begins to decline after four or five year epidemic across the country. Heroin begins revival.

-Imitation of '90s style and mood, trendiness becomes popular, along with cheesy teen trends and "gentler, kinder" pop culture, even though the entities making the pop culture are in decline as people begin an intensifying political rebellion against them.

-Michael Jackson dies. Madonna divorces her husband, gains weight, and becomes a sex kitten again, and a new political icon of some kind (i'm tired, sorry.)

-Movie theaters become extremely popular as theaters invest in high-tech equipment and luxury seating to sell tickets.

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Zoso on 02/11/06 at 8:41 pm

I'll only go up to 2009.

2006

Prince makes a big comeback and sees he's most successful album since the Batman Soundtrack (wishful thinking).
Janet Jackson crashes and burns with her new album and will most probably never make a comeback, her time is up.
Madonna's reign continues.
"Chinese Democracy" is finally released and is the biggest album of the year, possibly of the century thus far.
Rock begins to overshadow rap
George Bush is impeached
Saddam Hussien is killed
Troops are pulled out of Iraq
Michael Jackson sells the Beatles catalogue to Paul McCartney, sells Neverland, finally marries Grace.


2007
Michael Jackson comes back big time!! He'll have a huge album and maybe even an accompanying tour. He'll do something special for the 25th anniversary of Thriller, maybe a concert where he performs the whole Thriller album with Paul McCartney and Eddie Van Halen joining him for "The Girl is Mine" and "Beat It" (wishful thinking).
Pop Idol will be over (this includes American Idol, Australian Idol etc.)
Reality TV dies out


2008
Paul McCartney dies (sorry Beatles fans), major boost in Beatles sales, McCartney tribute concert. Ringo is the only surviving Beatle.
Because of so many legendary rock bands performing at the McCartney Tribute concert, and the many Beatles songs playing on radio, rock completely overshadows rap as the most popular contemporary musical style. Rap is dead by this point
Prince returns with another album, which is just as successful as his 06 album.
Michael Jackson's reign continues with more single releases and music videos from his 07 album.
Madonna releases another porno.
The quality of music at this point is near to the quality of music in the 1970s and early 80s with classic rock and pop (e.g. Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Prince, Michael Jackson, Elton John, Queen)


2009
To re-cap, the decade sees the fall of the current US government and new government leaders taking over, the end of reality TV and talent shows, the end of rap, the come back Michael Jackson, Prince and Madonna (who are all "cool" again), and the come back of good music, and the death of Paul McCartney




Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Marty McFly on 02/11/06 at 8:44 pm


I'll only go up to 2009.

2006

Prince makes a big comeback and sees he's most successful album since the Batman Soundtrack (wishful thinking).
Janet Jackson crashes and burns with her new album and will most probably never make a comeback, her time is up.
Madonna's reign continues.
"Chinese Democracy" is finally released and is the biggest album of the year, possibly of the century thus far.
Rock begins to overshadow rap
George Bush is impeached
Saddam Hussien is killed
Troops are pulled out of Iraq
Michael Jackson sells the Beatles catalogue to Paul McCartney, sells Neverland, finally marries Grace.


2007
Michael Jackson comes back big time!! He'll have a huge album and maybe even an accompanying tour. He'll do something special for the 25th anniversary of Thriller, maybe a concert where he performs the whole Thriller album with Paul McCartney and Eddie Van Halen joining him for "The Girl is Mine" and "Beat It" (wishful thinking).
Pop Idol will be over (this includes American Idol, Australian Idol etc.)
Reality TV dies out


2008
Paul McCartney dies (sorry Beatles fans), major boost in Beatles sales, McCartney tribute concert. Ringo is the only surviving Beatle.
Because of so many legendary rock bands performing at the McCartney Tribute concert, and the many Beatles songs playing on radio, rock completely overshadows rap as the most popular contemporary musical style. Rap is dead by this point
Prince returns with another album, which is just as successful as his 06 album.
Michael Jackson's reign continues with more single releases and music videos from his 07 album.
Madonna releases another porno.
The quality of music at this point is near to the quality of music in the 1970s and early 80s with classic rock and pop (e.g. Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Prince, Michael Jackson, Elton John, Queen)


2009
To re-cap, the decade sees the fall of the current US government and new government leaders taking over, the end of reality TV and talent shows, the end of rap, the come back Michael Jackson, Prince and Madonna (who are all "cool" again), and the come back of good music, and the death of Paul McCartney







Most of that sounds like a really cool end to the decade (even if some isn't truly likely), but why would Paul McCartney die? :(

That sure doesn't sound like a happy thing at all (he'd only be 66 in '08. He's easily got another 20-35 years in him I'd think).

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Marty McFly on 02/11/06 at 8:51 pm

BTW, while we're on the subject (again, wishful thinking), one style of music I'd love to come back would be '80s styled adult contemporary pop/rock:

I'm talking about solo Phil Collins, Toto, Lionel Richie, Christopher Cross, Kenny Loggins, Peter Cetera, and the softer side of bands like Journey and Foreigner.

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Zoso on 02/11/06 at 9:06 pm


Most of that sounds like a really cool end to the decade (even if some isn't truly likely), but why would Paul McCartney die? :(

Because he's old, and (I know it sounds evil and sick) but if he died it'd be good for music, because it'd wake the world up to good music (because Beatles songs will be playing on radio constantly).

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Zoso on 02/11/06 at 9:08 pm


BTW, while we're on the subject (again, wishful thinking), one style of music I'd love to come back would be '80s styled adult contemporary pop/rock:

I'm talking about solo Phil Collins, Toto, Lionel Richie, Christopher Cross, Kenny Loggins, Peter Cetera, and the softer side of bands like Journey and Foreigner.

That'd be awesome. 8)

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: velvetoneo on 02/11/06 at 9:20 pm

What do people seriously think of my predictions, though?

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: batfan2005 on 02/12/06 at 12:34 am

Based on the how the last few years were a repeat of the pattern of the years late 80's (2004=1988, and 2005=1989, etc.), I think 2006-2013 will be similar to 1990-1997. In late 2006 and 2007, we will be in a recession like in 1990 and '91. 2008 will be like 1992, when a Democrat wins the election due to a poor economy in which the lower and middle classes are suffering. 2009 will be like '93 (the inaugural year for the Democrat president), 2010 will be like '94, and so on.

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Electric Youth on 02/12/06 at 12:45 am

Deborah Gibson makes a comeback!!!  8)  :D

Though like the title of her first hit, "Only In My Dreams"...  :-\\

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Donnie Darko on 02/12/06 at 1:35 am

2006:

A major terrorist attack
continuation of Emo and glam rap
sign of musical/cultural changes in summer and fall
Da Vinci Code big hit, box office has good year
Disney/Pixar movie "Cars" a relative flop

2007:

Teen pop comeback, albeit a more intelligent kind
reduced interest in rap
Indie rock and emo outsell numetal by obvious margin
Bush impeached for inconfidence, but is voted back in

2008:

Election mania; Hillary becomes first woman president
Emo trend hits peak
California gets huge earthquake
people looking forward to 2010s

2009:

Hipster backlash
Restrictions on downloading music passed :(
Reality trend declines

2010:

????

2011:???


2012:

End of world mania

2013:

End of world  ;D




Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: velvetoneo on 02/12/06 at 9:14 pm

Bump

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Billy Florio on 02/13/06 at 12:10 am

2013: Chinese Democracy is finally released

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 02/13/06 at 12:54 pm

Like i've said by 2013 things will be way different. So i think that 2006-2013 will be a time of huge change, nothing revolutionary, but change none the less. I think by 2008 rap will be on its last leg and rap stars like 50 cent will have maybe one more big hit record but thats it. I think that in say 2010-'11 rock will reinvent itself like it always does. Not to mention that in 2009 they'll be a new president and that always changes things ;)

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: velvetoneo on 02/13/06 at 1:01 pm

I think tech things will stay pretty much the same for the next about ten years, because we'll be busy with world affairs and there will probably be a pretty huge recession this year we won't come out of for at least five years. I also think rap is losing its core audience by being so commercial with the bling-bling and crunk rap and probably will be on its last legs by the early 10s unless it reinvents itself. There will probably be a move away from the massive materialism and a return to '90s styles after becoming more '80s, and early-mid 00s pop culture will decline, such as reality TV and the popularity of blogging/myspace/iPod. I think there will be a big anti-corporate revolt in culture and a return to things just being more restrained, fun, and '90s. Also, there's going to be a big revolt of the working-class and middle-class, and programming about the rich will become pretty distasteful. Also, I think some big internet company is going to go bankrupt, or a big media company, and several big housing companies. Also, I think a few big banks might go out of business when people all put their houses on the market at the same time, housing prices crash, and people won't be able to loan out against their mortgages for expensive items, as their home values shrank. Banks will be stuck.

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 02/13/06 at 5:45 pm

Yeah they'll most defidently be a backlash against the 00's in the 10's just like the 80's backlash in the 90's

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: d90 on 05/17/16 at 5:37 pm


Later 2006/2007- The real estate market crashes. The American economy goes into a severe recession based on the cycle of loans being unable to be paid, and various banks go bankrupt. Disastrous for the American family and for big business. Approval ratings and business trust ratings plummet.

-Some very, very '80s fashions start to come back in style that will remain in for the rest of the decade. These include, evinced by the latest fashion week, big jackets, tapered skinny pants, puffy shoulders and shoulderpads, metallic accents and materials, baggy sweaters, etc. At the end even some of the hairstyles will come back in fashion.

-Anti-China sentiment rises in US and "buying American" for low-cost goods becomes fairly popular as Americans get an economic dose of reality.

-Dieting trends and low-fat trends become fairly unpopular for a few years. Americans have too much else to worry about.

-Middle-class becomes disgruntled and disenchanted.

2008/2009- Republican candidate loses to a Democrat. Democrat inherits massive national debt, etc.
Democrat is some sort of Southerner.

-Some of the emo and bling/crunk rap gets so far out there it actually becomes cheesy, but is still somewhat popular.

-iPods lose popularity somewhere around late 2008 or 2009 as they become the establishment. iTunes does something stupid that turns people off to it, but most use it anyway. The hipster scene becomes so excessive and maligned that some people are clued onto it. People also get bored with the whole damn thing.

-TiVo loses some trendiness and networks begin dealing with it in new and creative ways.

-Kanye West or Conor Oberst or Beyonce Knowles drives into a tree while heroining up and/or is found owning a coterie of underage boys or girls.

-Crystal meth addiction becomes nationwide, reaching East Coast and large cities briefly. Causes drug panic and a generation of early post-Gen Z meth babies.

-sheeshty economy causes immigration to decline for awhile as Bush narrowly passes anti-immigration laws and builds wall across Arizona border. Becomes even more unpopular. After this, Dems surefire to win.

2010/2011

-A new group of intelligent sitcoms premieres, both on network TV and cable.

-The hipster scene and scenester scene effectively dies and a new "anti-scene" appears, inspired by the late 1980s-early 1990s grunge scene. A true, unpretentious classic rock revival becomes popular again. People become extremely cynical about indie rock's true commerciality in the 2000s and the vacuousness and materialism of the 2000s as a whole and begin to be inspired by the 1990s. The 2010s will be trendy rather than hip. Part of this is the ongoing recession we are struggling to climb out of, but there is alot of creative energy underground right now. The disneyifiedness, trendiness, and "hipness" (cough cough money opportunity) of the 2000s submerges and becomes unpopular-both due to the recession and due to a cultural sea change.

-We are engaged in a developing cold war with China.

-A so-called new age of rap starts rejecting the materialistic party music of the bling and crunk rap. Focuses on urban themes and starts somewhere in the northeastern corridor, perhaps NYC or Philadelphia, Detroit, etc.

-Hybrids become widely available. A new ethanol fuel also starts use and intensifies in popularity over the next few years, with people getting retooled engines on older cars to accommodate it.

-'90s style fashion becomes popular again and experiences significant revival, with layers, babydoll dresses, and a grunge-inspired grungy look coming in. People start to malign hipsters so much it makes them cry.

2012/2013-

-Classic rock-inspired/grunge-inspired/late '80s alt-rock inspired, unpretentious music becomes popular with so-called Generation Z, beginning in 1995. Generation Z has been found to be unspectacular in the teen consumerism and brainwashing ratings and are cynical and comparatively unacceptant of American culture, and fairly anti-materialistic. Generation Y dismisses it and plays with their iPods and gets drunk. We are also right now in a starting true baby boom as baby boom echoers have many children and settle down early to have babies.

-Generation Z also rejects Gen Y icons MySpace and the iPod, choosing to go out and find their own new music themselves, along with many late generation Yers.

-Said president is reelected to second term. Massive legislation passed protecting American jobs, American economy slowly crawling out of recession back to normal levels at this point.

-Simple, non-tech living becomes somewhat popular, with people returning to traditions to find themselves across the country.

-Gay marriage legislation is defeated in New York, sadly. Republicans attempt to start scandal involving this new president. Some influential movie comes out that is supposed to change American filmaking.

-Younger people begin rebellion against globalization and the Boom/Y cultural and tech establishment, look back both to early 1990s counterculture and to the 1960s and 1970s.

-Worker's rights movement reaches zenith.

-Meth begins to decline after four or five year epidemic across the country. Heroin begins revival.

-Imitation of '90s style and mood, trendiness becomes popular, along with cheesy teen trends and "gentler, kinder" pop culture, even though the entities making the pop culture are in decline as people begin an intensifying political rebellion against them.

-Michael Jackson dies. Madonna divorces her husband, gains weight, and becomes a sex kitten again, and a new political icon of some kind (i'm tired, sorry.)

-Movie theaters become extremely popular as theaters invest in high-tech equipment and luxury seating to sell tickets.

Sad Michael Jackson actually died in 2009.  You were also right about Obama being reelected

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Baltimoreian on 05/17/16 at 5:40 pm

Damn, it seems like 10 years since the thread was posted, and none of the stuff OP said was true.

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 05/17/16 at 9:27 pm


Like i've said by 2013 things will be way different. So i think that 2006-2013 will be a time of huge change, nothing revolutionary, but change none the less. I think by 2008 rap will be on its last leg and rap stars like 50 cent will have maybe one more big hit record but thats it. I think that in say 2010-'11 rock will reinvent itself like it always does. Not to mention that in 2009 they'll be a new president and that always changes things ;)


I was totally wrong about a "rock revival" happening around 2010 or 2011. In fact, mainstream rock is even deader now than it was in 2010. The 2006 version of me would be very unhappy to hear this. :(

I was right about 2006-2013 being a time of huge change, though. It's amazing to think that when I first posted this I'd only just discovered YouTube. I hadn't even started watching Angry Video Game Nerd videos yet!

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: bchris02 on 05/17/16 at 9:30 pm


Damn, it seems like 10 years since the thread was posted, and none of the stuff OP said was true.


It goes to show how difficult it is to predict pop culture.  In ten more years, whoever is on this forum will probably look at the threads like "Pop culture of the late 2010s" and "Culture of the 2020s" and laugh about how wrong the predictions are. 

He was right about the recession.  It did end slowly around 2012-13, but he was wrong about it beginning in late 2006.  It took another year before the SHTF.

Interesting he thought the hipster subculture would die in the early '10s.  That is when it went mainstream, knocking emo/scene from the dominant youth culture.

He was right about the '90s revival, but not about hipsters being maligned.  He was very wrong about a backlash against social media.  In fact, 2006 seems relatively tech-free compared to today.

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: bchris02 on 05/17/16 at 9:35 pm


I was totally wrong about a "rock revival" happening around 2010 or 2011. In fact, mainstream rock is even deader now than it was in 2010. The 2006 version of me would be very unhappy to hear this. :(


Interesting that the OP did not predict electropop and EDM.  Electronica, as it was referred to in the 2000s, was a genre just waiting to explode into mainstream popularity.  It was new, it was different, and it sounded like the future.  Unfortunately, as usually happens when things become mainstream, it became watered down and commercialized and today's mainstream EDM is barely a shadow of what was being produced in the 2000s.

What do you think killed rock?  Personally I think it's because post-grunge long overstayed its welcome.

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 05/17/16 at 9:53 pm


What do you think killed rock?  Personally I think it's because post-grunge long overstayed its welcome.


Yeah, I'd say that's the primary reason. Post-Grunge is, in 2016, pretty much exactly what Hair Metal would've been by 1999 or 2000 if Grunge hadn't wiped it out in the early '90s. Things are only going to get worse, too. With tired, stale bands like Nickelback and Shinedown remaining the most visible acts in mainstream Rock, it's very unlikely that Generation Z is going to have much interest in the genre as they come of age in the next decade. As I've said before, I fear that, by the time we get to 2026, Rock will probably be seen by most teens as "old folks music". :(

It's really amazing that Post-Grunge has remained the dominant mainstream Rock genre for as long as it has. If you think about, the Garage Rock/Post-Punk/Indie explosion that happened in the early-to-mid '00s (Strokes, White Stripes, Killers, etc.) should have taken out Post-Grunge way back then, but it somehow just plowed right through and kept going stronger than ever. It's now been a full fifteen YEARS since Nickleback first hit it big with "How You Remind Me"! :o

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: musicguy93 on 05/17/16 at 10:33 pm


Yeah, I'd say that's the primary reason. Post-Grunge is, in 2016, pretty much exactly what Hair Metal would've been by 1999 or 2000 if Grunge hadn't wiped it out in the early '90s. Things are only going to get worse, too. With tired, stale bands like Nickelback and Shinedown remaining the most visible acts in mainstream Rock, it's very unlikely that Generation Z is going to have much interest in the genre as they come of age in the next decade. As I've said before, I fear that, by the time we get to 2026, Rock will probably be seen by most teens as "old folks music". :(

It's really amazing that Post-Grunge has remained the dominant mainstream Rock genre for as long as it has. If you think about, the Garage Rock/Post-Punk/Indie explosion that happened in the early-to-mid '00s (Strokes, White Stripes, Killers, etc.) should have taken out Post-Grunge way back then, but it somehow just plowed right through and kept going stronger than ever. It's now been a full fifteen YEARS since Nickleback first hit it big with "How You Remind Me"! :o


I don't buy this whole idea that rock is gone for good. Rock music is not dead, it's just in a state of dormancy.

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: bchris02 on 05/17/16 at 10:35 pm


Yeah, I'd say that's the primary reason. Post-Grunge is, in 2016, pretty much exactly what Hair Metal would've been by 1999 or 2000 if Grunge hadn't wiped it out in the early '90s. Things are only going to get worse, too. With tired, stale bands like Nickelback and Shinedown remaining the most visible acts in mainstream Rock, it's very unlikely that Generation Z is going to have much interest in the genre as they come of age in the next decade. As I've said before, I fear that, by the time we get to 2026, Rock will probably be seen by most teens as "old folks music". :(


The same thing happened with jazz.  It was the new, cool genre in the 1920s.  It became mainstream and the base for most popular music from the 1930s through mid 1950s.  In the late 1950s, rock exploded and sent jazz packing and it remains a niche genre to this day.  I would say EDM could possibly have done the same thing to rock, though its too early to tell.  A lot of what is branded as "rock" today is more synth-based than guitar based.


It's really amazing that Post-Grunge has remained the dominant mainstream Rock genre for as long as it has. If you think about, the Garage Rock/Post-Punk/Indie explosion that happened in the early-to-mid '00s (Strokes, White Stripes, Killers, etc.) should have taken out Post-Grunge way back then, but it somehow just plowed right through and kept going stronger than ever. It's now been a full fifteen YEARS since Nickleback first hit it big with "How You Remind Me"! :o


Is post-grunge still relevant?  The last song I remember getting serious radio play was "September" by Daughtry in 2010.  Of course, post-grunge bands are still producing music, but so did hair bands during the 1990s.  They never gained any real traction though.

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: musicguy93 on 05/17/16 at 11:20 pm


The same thing happened with jazz.  It was the new, cool genre in the 1920s.  It became mainstream and the base for most popular music from the 1930s through mid 1950s.  In the late 1950s, rock exploded and sent jazz packing and it remains a niche genre to this day.  I would say EDM could possibly have done the same thing to rock, though its too early to tell.  A lot of what is branded as "rock" today is more synth-based than guitar based.

Is post-grunge still relevant?  The last song I remember getting serious radio play was "September" by Daughtry in 2010.  Of course, post-grunge bands are still producing music, but so did hair bands during the 1990s.  They never gained any real traction though.


I don't know, many people say EDM is starting to decline. But I don't think rock music will ever completely die. There are lots of bands underground, that are releasing some pretty awesome music. Whether they will break into the mainstream or not is a totally different story. Rock may remain niche like you said, but I really hope it becomes popular again. The state of music right now is really pissing me off. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm "lingering on to the past", but I cannot find anything redeemable about the music nowadays. Something has got to give.  >:(

As for post grunge, it's definitely not as relevant anymore. Post grunge nowadays is definitely where hair metal was in the 90s. And to be honest, I'm glad for that. The first wave of post grunge was decent, but the genre really went down the drain fast.

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Slim95 on 05/17/16 at 11:31 pm


Yeah, I'd say that's the primary reason. Post-Grunge is, in 2016, pretty much exactly what Hair Metal would've been by 1999 or 2000 if Grunge hadn't wiped it out in the early '90s. Things are only going to get worse, too. With tired, stale bands like Nickelback and Shinedown remaining the most visible acts in mainstream Rock, it's very unlikely that Generation Z is going to have much interest in the genre as they come of age in the next decade. As I've said before, I fear that, by the time we get to 2026, Rock will probably be seen by most teens as "old folks music". :(

It's really amazing that Post-Grunge has remained the dominant mainstream Rock genre for as long as it has. If you think about, the Garage Rock/Post-Punk/Indie explosion that happened in the early-to-mid '00s (Strokes, White Stripes, Killers, etc.) should have taken out Post-Grunge way back then, but it somehow just plowed right through and kept going stronger than ever. It's now been a full fifteen YEARS since Nickleback first hit it big with "How You Remind Me"! :o

Do you think rock music can make a comeback?

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 05/18/16 at 10:33 am


Is post-grunge still relevant?  The last song I remember getting serious radio play was "September" by Daughtry in 2010.  Of course, post-grunge bands are still producing music, but so did hair bands during the 1990s.  They never gained any real traction though.


It really depends on how one defines the word "relevant". Post-Grunge is relevant in so much as groups like Nickelback, Shinedown and 3 Doors Down (yes they still exist) tend to make up 65-75% of the Modern Rock charts on a weekly basis. On the other hand, if you mean relevant as in "does anybody under the age of 20-25 care about it anymore" then the answer is clearly no. ;D


Do you think rock music can make a comeback?


I certainly hope it can. Even now, in 2016, Rock still means something to me. As a teen of the early-to-mid '00s, the last era where Rock music was still a major cultural force, and where songs like "Seven Nation Army" and "Mr. Brightside" would actually get played on Top 40 radio alongside stuff like "In Da Club" and "Yeah!", it's really weird for me to see Rock in the pathetic condition that it exists in today.

But, as I've said, things don't look good for Rock right now. The kids who will determine the popular culture of the 2020's (peak Gen Z kids born in the '00s) have largely grown up in an era in which Rock music is almost totally dead as far as being a mainstream cultural force. Those kids that will be "core '20s teens" (born between roughly 2005-2009) were barely even alive when Rock began it's slow fade from the American cultural consciousness in the late '00s. They're not even old enough to remember Emo.

These days, on the few occasions in which I do see a 12-year-old walking around wearing a Rock band tee, it's usually Nirvana. A band who's lead singer died a full decade before they were even born. Needless to say, this is not a particularly good sign when it comes to the future survival of Rock. :(

Subject: Re: Cultural Predictions, 2006-2013

Written By: Slim95 on 05/18/16 at 11:20 am


It really depends on how one defines the word "relevant". Post-Grunge is relevant in so much as groups like Nickelback, Shinedown and 3 Doors Down (yes they still exist) tend to make up 65-75% of the Modern Rock charts on a weekly basis. On the other hand, if you mean relevant as in "does anybody under the age of 20-25 care about it anymore" then the answer is clearly no. ;D

I certainly hope it can. Even now, in 2016, Rock still means something to me. As a teen of the early-to-mid '00s, the last era where Rock music was still a major cultural force, and where songs like "Seven Nation Army" and "Mr. Brightside" would actually get played on Top 40 radio alongside stuff like "In Da Club" and "Yeah!", it's really weird for me to see Rock in the pathetic condition that it exists in today.

But, as I've said, things don't look good for Rock right now. The kids who will determine the popular culture of the 2020's (peak Gen Z kids born in the '00s) have largely grown up in an era in which Rock music is almost totally dead as far as being a mainstream cultural force. Those kids that will be "core '20s teens" (born between roughly 2005-2009) were barely even alive when Rock began it's slow fade from the American cultural consciousness in the late '00s. They're not even old enough to remember Emo.

These days, on the few occasions in which I do see a 12-year-old walking around wearing a Rock band tee, it's usually Nirvana. A band who's lead singer died a full decade before they were even born. Needless to say, this is not a particularly good sign when it comes to the future survival of Rock. :(

If rock does make a comeback, I predict it will be in the form of electronic rock.

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