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Subject: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Emman on 12/29/10 at 4:04 pm

Warning, the thread might offend some, but I've been reading many post from this forum for a while now about how the 00's music was indistinct from the 90's. People usually point out the fact that post-grunge was popular for the second half of the 90's and majority of the 00's, how there were no new music genres or styles(wtf). What they ignore is that black urban music was extremely dominant during the 00's, specifically southern rap. And how in the world can someone say the rap music in the last decade(the 00's) was very similar to the 90's music, I mean come on, really! It is this "rock-centric attitude" that just because rock has not been innovative in the 00's, all the mainstream music was indistinct from the 90's and it's very biased towards an older white audience(esp. male). The urban music styles were changing and evolving every 2-3 years or so and yet some of the views on this forum is music stopped changing after 2000. Urban music did start to become very popular during the 90's but it wasn't until the 00's that it truly dominanted. Rock music slipped from it's throne and urban music and culture replaced it in the 00's. I personally don't like much rap in general but I try to judge music in it's context, some of the artists are not out to make some big political statement so how can you judge them for something they never set out to achieve in the first place. It's funny how some hardcore rock fans in the 70's criticized disco for being nothing but mindless dance music, having no meaningful content according to them and then they judged it all to be bad, vapid music. What they failed the realize was that most disco artist WANTED to make warm, joyful dance music, they never set out to make music according to rock music standards in the first place. It's a very close-minded attitude that judges all genres and styles of music out of context!

The music itself may not have been of a desireable quality to some, BUT THE URBAN MUSIC DEFINITELY CHANGED CONSTANTLY, it was unique to the 00's, no music from any past decade quite sounds like crunk, snap rap, or ringtone rap, and these were the defining sounds for the 00's. Just because the music does not live up to your arbitrary standards does not mean the music was not original or different to alot of other people, the popular music(urban) definitely did evolve even though it might have been of bad quality to some of us. We have not had a grunge-like movement since the early 90's(and for most of the 90's, R&B was the dominant music, people say the 90's was all about grunge but it only lasted 4-5 years, more rock-centric biased crap), but people are looking at the wrong music(rock) if they think 00's music on the whole wasn't different. Heck, I don't like much of the urban music of the 00's either but I recognize it help shaped the culture in the 00's. And please, for the love of god, look at the fashion, look at hip-hop fashion in 2000 and contrast it with the hip-hop fashion in 2009. There is just this VERY VERY biased view that the 00's were this disgusting, sloopy, bad bad decade and every other past decade was a golden age, WHAT, do forget all the racism, sexism, intolerance, campy styles of the past decades.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: tv on 12/29/10 at 5:02 pm

Eaman I do agree that the 00's and 90's are distinct musically starting with 2003 or 2004. I mean in 2002 R&B acts that started in the mid 90's like Ginuwne, Faith Evans, and IMX(formerly
called "Immature") in the 90's were still popular in 2002.

Urban music was different in the 90's. I mean rap was more sanatized in the 00's and R&B in the 90's sounded more like R&B than the rap influence it had starting in 2003 or 2004.

I agree with you sort of that late 90's teen-pop was still popular in early 2002 but not after that.

Disco was like any other genre it had its crap and its good stuff.

In my opinion I can't stand stuff like snap, ringtone, or crunk music. I mean any rap made after mid 2005 I probably won't like it.

I agree music did evolve throughout the 00's but I don't like the way it evolved in the later part of the decade. I respect artists like Lady GaGa, David Guetta, Bruno Mars for what they are doing now though.

True R&B was dominant for most of the 90's but it wasn;t like rap influenced or had a guest rapper on alot of the R&B tracks which was the case in the 00's. I mean a rapper on a Toni Braxton or a Boyz II Men track was unheard of mostlly in the 90's. Mariah Carey and Puff Daddy were the 2 that brought R&B and Rap together in the late 90's. They even did a track together called "Honey(The Remix)" in 1997.

True Grunge was dominant from like late 1991 to 1996 I think so thats like 5 years give or take. I think Grunge died like slightly into the 1996-1997 school year.

I actually liked the decade from 2001-mid 2007 except for like the reality show trend and the celeb paparazzi.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: 80sfan on 12/29/10 at 5:39 pm

Because most people didn't like music of the 00's so they'd do anything to diss or hate on 00's music. So that's why they're biased!!

I didn't much like the music, but mainstream music has gotten better in 2010 for some reason.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: joeman on 12/29/10 at 6:03 pm

Well the 2000s were like the 90s in a way that there was 3 distinct cultures there.  Rap was changing a lot in the 90s(from New Jack Swing to Gangsta Rap to R&B Rap and Nu-Metal) like it was in the 00s(R&B Rap to Crunk to Ringtone Rap, to etc...).  Funny thing was, I was watching an awards show with Kenya West, and he tried doing the whole autotone voice but failed miserably.

IMO:
1998-2002 Early 00s
2003-2008 00s (though you can say 2007 and 2008 were cusp years)
2009-current Recession era 00s

I likeed the early 00s the best, because the economy was awesome and I was still in school.  I think 2003 was a big year, as 2 of the biggest bands from the late 90s & early 00s era, Creed and Limp Bizkit, broke up.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Emman on 12/29/10 at 7:03 pm


Well the 2000s were like the 90s in a way that there was 3 distinct cultures there.  Rap was changing a lot in the 90s(from New Jack Swing to Gangsta Rap to R&B Rap and Nu-Metal) like it was in the 00s(R&B Rap to Crunk to Ringtone Rap, to etc...).  Funny thing was, I was watching an awards show with Kenya West, and he tried doing the whole autotone voice but failed miserably.

IMO:
1998-2002 Early 00s
2003-2008 00s (though you can say 2007 and 2008 were cusp years)
2009-current Recession era 00s

I likeed the early 00s the best, because the economy was awesome and I was still in school.  I think 2003 was a big year, as 2 of the biggest bands from the late 90s & early 00s era, Creed and Limp Bizkit, broke up.


I personally liked the early 00's too, I was a huge Linkin Park fan back around 2001-2004. I also liked the dance music at the time(disco-house), The Neptunes were at their peak around 2002/2003. I would not lump 2009-present as part of the 00's culture at all, I think '09 to about 2012 will be looked at as the early 10's in the future, here's how I would list the 00's/early 10's:

1997-2001 millennial culture/teen-pop era: the bridge between the 90's and 00's
2001-2003 reality tv/911 era
2003-2006 core 00's/crunk era
2006-2009 late 00's emo/ringtone rap era
2009- maybe 2012? early 10's Obama/electro-house era: bridge between the 00's and the 10's





Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Howard on 12/29/10 at 7:24 pm


Because most people didn't like music of the 00's so they'd do anything to diss or hate on 00's music. So that's why they're biased!!

I didn't much like the music, but maisntream music has gotten better in 2010 for some reason.


I agree with that.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: 80sfan on 12/29/10 at 8:55 pm


I agree with that.


  ;)

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: joeman on 12/29/10 at 9:08 pm


I personally liked the early 00's too, I was a huge Linkin Park fan back around 2001-2004. I also liked the dance music at the time(disco-house), The Neptunes were at their peak around 2002/2003. I would not lump 2009-present as part of the 00's culture at all, I think '09 to about 2012 will be looked at as the early 10's in the future, here's how I would list the 00's/early 10's:

1997-2001 millennial culture/teen-pop era: the bridge between the 90's and 00's
2001-2003 reality tv/911 era
2003-2006 core 00's/crunk era
2006-2009 late 00's emo/ringtone rap era
2009- maybe 2012? early 10's Obama/electro-house era: bridge between the 00's and the 10's


Cool about Linkin Park.  They were huge in 2000.  I'd argue that alternative rock(except for post-grunge) went downhill after the early 2000s.  I used to listen to this radio stations back in the 90s called Star 95.7, the Alt Rock channel, which played nothing but softer alternative music(like the Cranberries and Collective Soul)  Those bands didn't survive past 02 or 03, and the station got switched over to a Rap station.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Shiv on 12/29/10 at 9:47 pm

I totally agree Emman.

I think the main reason people lump the 90s and 00s together is because the fashions were similar (not identical, but similar), the cars were pretty much identical, and because of post-grunge.

I think that by the mid 10s, people will be able to see the 00s as a distinct decade. Its a little difficult right now because it just ended recently.

The 00s will go down as the decade of hip hop, emo, and flashy paparazzi/celebrity culture.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Emman on 12/29/10 at 11:05 pm


I totally agree Emman.

I think the main reason people lump the 90s and 00s together is because the fashions were similar (not identical, but similar), the cars were pretty much identical, and because of post-grunge.

I think that by the mid 10s, people will be able to see the 00s as a distinct decade. Its a little difficult right now because it just ended recently.

The 00s will go down as the decade of hip hop, emo, and flashy paparazzi/celebrity culture.


Yeah maybe the 90's and 00's are comparable to the 60's and 70's in this way. I think the 00's fashion is similar(but not identical like you said) up to about 2007/2008. The cars since the late 00's are becoming smaller and more sci fi looking. I think Reality TV will be looked at as one of defining trends of the 00's too.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Shiv on 12/30/10 at 1:08 am


Yeah maybe the 90's and 00's are comparable to the 60's and 70's in this way. I think the 00's fashion is similar(but not identical like you said) up to about 2007/2008. The cars since the late 00's are becoming smaller and more sci fi looking. I think Reality TV will be looked at as one of defining trends of the 00's too.


Exactly. I was going to point out all those things in my above post but took them out for some reason.

When I started high school in 2005 the fashion was still similar to the 90s...very bland, baggy, casual, shirts with brand names on them (notice how that is now almost totally out of style). By the time I graduated in 2009...very different. Skinny jeans, neon, V-necks, neon flannel, and much more feminine styles for the girls. Around 2008 there was a big shift, like you've pointed out before.

The new cars coming out are strikingly modern looking...I drive a 2006 Kia, and so for fun I compared the 2006 Kias to the 2011 Kias and couldn't believe the dramatic difference in style.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: tv on 12/30/10 at 10:07 am


Exactly. I was going to point out all those things in my above post but took them out for some reason.

When I started high school in 2005 the fashion was still similar to the 90s...very bland, baggy, casual, shirts with brand names on them (notice how that is now almost totally out of style). By the time I graduated in 2009...very different. Skinny jeans, neon, V-necks, neon flannel, and much more feminine styles for the girls. Around 2008 there was a big shift, like you've pointed out before.

The new cars coming out are strikingly modern looking...I drive a 2006 Kia, and so for fun I compared the 2006 Kias to the 2011 Kias and couldn't believe the dramatic difference in style.

Yeah I like the new 2011 Sportage alot. I might buy one in a few years. The last generation it looked like a Hyundai in the front and in the back it looked like an 01-06 Acura MDX with Korean styling highlights.

Btw, I thought baggy pants were out in 2003.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: tv on 12/30/10 at 10:15 am


Yeah maybe the 90's and 00's are comparable to the 60's and 70's in this way. I think the 00's fashion is similar(but not identical like you said) up to about 2007/2008. The cars since the late 00's are becoming smaller and more sci fi looking. I think Reality TV will be looked at as one of defining trends of the 00's too.
Yeah true. 1/2 the cars that were redisigned from 2000-2006 looked 00's and the other half that were redesigned in the 00's still looked 90's. From about 2007+ cars looked more 00's. For example the 2006 Hyundai Sonata and the 2003 Honda Accord looked sort of looked 90's still. The 2002 Nissan Altima and 2003 Mazda looked 00's. Even the Toyota Camry which for 23 years was bagged for bland styling in its 2007 model year redesign it looked alot different than its previous generation models.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Shiv on 12/30/10 at 11:00 am

Yeah it was kind of off balance wasn't it. All I know is the 2011 Sportgage is worlds apart from my poor 2006 Sportage, which wouldn't have looked out of place in 1996.

As for baggy...well maybe but the black guys in my area were still dressing extremely baggy up until like 2008. Now most of them wear skinnys or at least regular-fitting clothes.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: tv on 12/30/10 at 11:29 am


Yeah it was kind of off balance wasn't it. All I know is the 2011 Sportgage is worlds apart from my poor 2006 Sportage, which wouldn't have looked out of place in 1996.
As for baggy...well maybe but the black guys in my area were still dressing extremely baggy up until like 2008. Now most of them wear skinnys or at least regular-fitting clothes.
No, your model Sportage may have not looked out of place in 2001 but not 1996. 1996 would have been to early for that design.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Howard on 12/30/10 at 1:16 pm


Yeah I like the new 2011 Sportage alot. I might buy one in a few years. The last generation it looked like a Hyundai in the front and in the back it looked like an 01-06 Acura MDX with Korean styling highlights.

Btw, I thought baggy pants were out in 2003.


I see some guys wear baggy pants but not too many.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: bchris02 on 12/30/10 at 9:31 pm


I personally liked the early 00's too, I was a huge Linkin Park fan back around 2001-2004. I also liked the dance music at the time(disco-house), The Neptunes were at their peak around 2002/2003. I would not lump 2009-present as part of the 00's culture at all, I think '09 to about 2012 will be looked at as the early 10's in the future, here's how I would list the 00's/early 10's:

1997-2001 millennial culture/teen-pop era: the bridge between the 90's and 00's
2001-2003 reality tv/911 era
2003-2006 core 00's/crunk era
2006-2009 late 00's emo/ringtone rap era
2009- maybe 2012? early 10's Obama/electro-house era: bridge between the 00's and the 10's







Agree with this.  The foundations for '00s culture started around late 1997, when '90s eurodance died, and r&b, hip-hop, and post-grunge began to dominate the music scene, and hip-hop fashion became all the rage.  People say the '00s were just an extension of the '90s because they are comparing the '00s to 1998 and 1999.  Compare them to 1995 and its like a completely different world.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Emman on 12/31/10 at 9:31 pm

And about the cars in the early 10's, this car(the honda cr z)looks like it could take off and fly at any moment. It looks like something straight out of Back to the Future part two(where Marty vistits 2015) ;D.

http://www.latestautoreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Honda-CRZ-Side-View.jpg

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: RG1995 on 12/31/10 at 11:22 pm

The 2000s will be known as the decade of George W. Bush, War on Terrorism, Reality TV, Crunk, Ringtone Rap, Generic Grunge, and Emo. As of now we are in the transitional period into the 10s. This started around 2008 so and will be defined by Obama, the Recesssion, Electropop, Lady Gaga, and the death of Post-Grunge and Ringtone Rap. This will probebly last up until 2011/2012.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Howard on 01/01/11 at 6:22 am


And about the cars in the early 10's, this car(the honda cr z)looks like it could take off and fly at any moment. It looks like something straight out of Back to the Future part two(where Marty vistits 2015) ;D.

http://www.latestautoreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Honda-CRZ-Side-View.jpg


I think the next few years we'll see a Delorian.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Howard on 01/01/11 at 6:23 am

George W. Bush, War on Terrorism, Reality TV, Crunk, Ringtone Rap, Generic Grunge, and Emo

That pretty much sums up the decade.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: tv on 01/01/11 at 12:04 pm


And about the cars in the early 10's, this car(the honda cr z)looks like it could take off and fly at any moment. It looks like something straight out of Back to the Future part two(where Marty vistits 2015) ;D.

http://www.latestautoreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Honda-CRZ-Side-View.jpg
No, that has to be the concept model CR-Z, thats not the actual model thats available at Honda dealers now.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Emman on 01/01/11 at 12:22 pm


No, that has to be the concept model CR-Z, thats not the actual model thats available at Honda dealers now.


Yeah I know it's a concept model but it looks just like the ones available.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: tv on 01/01/11 at 12:33 pm


Yeah I know it's a concept model but it looks just like the ones available.
in the US?

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Shiv on 01/01/11 at 1:05 pm


I'm pretty sure this is the actual production model. Still very modern and sci-fi.

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/2011-Honda-CR-Z-EX-003.jpg

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Emman on 03/09/11 at 10:36 pm

I've been reading several articles online about the defining 00s trends and some say the 00s has no defining trends, and guess what, they forget to mention the obvious urban dominance that was the 00s. "The 00s had no identity", translation: "Rock was not dominant in the 00s", how could anybody miss the hip-hop dominance in the 00s, I mean really, that IS the defining 00s trend, I think alot of hip-hop in the early 00s was very innovative too, like Timbaland's use of esoteric intruments in hip-hop . They also talk about all the retro love for past decades in the 00s, well the 70s, 80s, and 90s also were very retro, backward looking times too.  I think when we move further away from the 00s bling bling rap/southern crunk-rap culture it will become alot more apparent what the 00s "style" is, bling bling. I think fashion probably did change the least from the late 90s to 00s, for example, I sometimes confuse the late 60s and 70s styles, both had bellbottoms, afros, and a similar aesthetic.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: tv on 03/10/11 at 12:38 pm


I'm pretty sure this is the actual production model. Still very modern and sci-fi.

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/2011-Honda-CR-Z-EX-003.jpg
The back end design just doesn't go with the whole entire design of the car for some reason.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: tnf on 03/13/11 at 5:11 am


I've been reading several articles online about the defining 00s trends and some say the 00s has no defining trends, and guess what, they forget to mention the obvious urban dominance that was the 00s. "The 00s had no identity", translation: "Rock was not dominant in the 00s", how could anybody miss the hip-hop dominance in the 00s, I mean really, that IS the defining 00s trend, I think alot of hip-hop in the early 00s was very innovative too, like Timbaland's use of esoteric intruments in hip-hop . They also talk about all the retro love for past decades in the 00s, well the 70s, 80s, and 90s also were very retro, backward looking times too.  I think when we move further away from the 00s bling bling rap/southern crunk-rap culture it will become alot more apparent what the 00s "style" is, bling bling. I think fashion probably did change the least from the late 90s to 00s, for example, I sometimes confuse the late 60s and 70s styles, both had bellbottoms, afros, and a similar aesthetic.


You´re partly right. But I´m also thinking of the ´mixing designer clothes with high-street fashion and second hand stuff, and making an unique combination of this´ movement, also dominating the 00s.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Emman on 03/13/11 at 10:44 pm


The back end design just doesn't go with the whole entire design of the car for some reason.


Yeah you are right about that, the front end needs to be smaller.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Howard on 03/14/11 at 6:39 am

Why would it have an identity? ???

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: whistledog on 03/16/11 at 11:07 pm


Why would it have an identity? ???


Maybe it had a secret identity?

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/13043/jerry_o_connell_13043.jpg

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: fredrickthe94guy on 03/18/11 at 4:51 am

haha on behalf of a younger generation who have lived the 00s most of their life

Yes reality tv is the biggest define of the 00s, URBAN and hip hop is in its peak in the 00s along with emo core and scene stuff

I MISS THE LATE 90S EARLY 00S!!! such a best time to live in the world....

i guess in a way the 00s dont really have defining culture but the thing that really define 00s is mobile phones and other technology developments...such an amazing rate of increasing technology!!!! its like i've been here for many decades witnessing many technological changes :p

in the 90s only rich uses mobile phones and now most people are using it

the death of michael jackson!!! nothing in pop culture beats that and indeed a sad moment for ALL of the fans

haha i'm not mentioning a lot since most things are already covered :p

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: Howard on 03/18/11 at 6:25 am

in the 90s only rich uses mobile phones and now most people are using it

and that would include kids,teens young men and women too.

Subject: Re: How can people say the 00's had no identity!?

Written By: youngerderek on 04/10/11 at 10:40 am

the 00s definitely have an identity. though it was a lamer identity than say, the 80s.

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