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Subject: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/03/16 at 11:51 am

https://wondersinthedark.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/2007.jpg

Despite 2006 being a more changeful year overall, I still think 2007 was a very changeful year in many ways.

Democrats take control of Congress.
The economy starts to fall at the very-end of the year.
The NSA launched the PRISM program and began monitoring the Internet. The Wild West of the internet was over, the Internet was now being colonized, the buffalo culling was beginning.
The iPhone is released, and fundamentally changes the way we as humans interact in our society.
YouTube truly comes into its own as a website.
John Riccitiello becomes CEO of EA, and it soon becomes one of the sloppiest and most hated game developers.
Wii released December 2006, waggle controls gain traction and, according to some hardcore gamers, attracts "casuals" to gaming in 2007.
After a few years of stretching its legs, the seventh generation of gaming finally gets off the ground and displaces the 6th gen in popularity.
Bungie splits from Microsoft and became privately owned (according to some, their games went to sh*t after Halo 3).
Director of E! Channel is given control of G4TV, layoffs announced, programming shifts from game-related shows to endless reruns of Cheaters and COPS.
Netflix begins online streaming, which fundamentally changes the television industry and marks the final nail in the coffin for businesses like Blockbuster.
Stuart Snyder becomes president of Cartoon Network following the Boston bomb scare, Toonami ceases in 2008.
Leftover shows from the late 90s/early 00s like The King of Queens, Gilmore Girls, 7th Heaven, The Sopranos, and Kim Possible come to an end.
The Spider-Man movies, a very popular 00s-defining series, come to an end with Spider-Man 3 (some would say it was disappointing).
Superbad is released, and some claim it was "the last great teen movie".
Tumblr founded. 8-P
Reddit and Facebook report significant increases in traffic.
Myspace reports a significant decrease in traffic.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/03/16 at 12:01 pm

Anybody could make this thread earlier, but 2007 was basically the transitional year from the early-mid 2000s to the late 2000s. Back in 2000-2006, people were still watching most of their crap on TV, despite having tons of websites with cool videos at the time. But in 2007, YouTube became of what it is today and most people were attracted to it. Hell, barely anybody heard of YouTube back in 2005-2006, so that was a big cause.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 08/03/16 at 12:36 pm

2007 was a really fun year.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: #Infinity on 08/03/16 at 12:40 pm

These also occurred in 2007:

* The final Harry Potter book is released, ending a saga that had defined a young generation (although the films weren't over until 4 years later).
* Tony Blair ends his decade-long stint as Prime Minister of the UK and is replaced by Gordon Brown.
* Kim Kardashian replaces Paris Hilton as the infamous "celebrity famous for no reason."
* YouTube becomes a website with a much more diverse range of shows and videos. Smosh and the Angry Nintendo Nerd were already fairly popular in 2006, but 2007 was really the first time it was almost impossible not to know what YouTube was. I'm pretty sure the beginning of 2007 was the earliest time I remember visiting YouTube.
* Pokemon Diamond and Pearl are released in the West.
* Mad Men and The Big Bang Theory make their television premieres.
* 50 Cent loses to Kanye West in the September 2007 hip hop battle, solidifying the course that rap would take in the coming several years.
* The first in Michael Bay's infamous Transformers franchise hits theaters.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/03/16 at 1:31 pm

The only tolerable year of the core 2000s IMO. :o

Blackberries took off, and fashion became a lot slimmer, though not as skinny as the early '10s quite yet.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/03/16 at 1:34 pm


The only tolerable year of the core 2000s IMO. :o

But 2004 and 2005 were great years in my opinion (sorry Jordan)

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Looney Toon on 08/03/16 at 1:36 pm

'07 was alright. Wasn't a terrible year. Certainly better than '06.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/03/16 at 1:41 pm


'07 was alright. Wasn't a terrible year. Certainly better than '06.


We at least had better stuff in 2007.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 08/03/16 at 1:59 pm

2007 is probably my favourite 2000s year. I graduated elementary school that year and started junior high. Went on a trip and a lot of stuff happened that year. Windows Vista was released in 2007 as well. I don't think it was a big shift though and for the most part the year still felt like classic 2000s. Here is an ad of Windows Vista from 2007.

KOtqg0REUrI

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/03/16 at 2:03 pm

Vista was pretty bad, but I must admit, I find "Windows Vista" to be a cooler name than "Windows 7" (though Win7 is better than Vista in every other way).

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/03/16 at 2:04 pm


2007 is probably my favourite 2000s year. I graduated elementary school that year and started junior high. Went on a trip and a lot of stuff happened that year. Windows Vista was released in 2007 as well. I don't think it was a big shift though and for the most part the year still felt like classic 2000s. Here is an ad of Windows Vista from 2007.

KOtqg0REUrI


Meh. Windows Vista wasn't really everyone's favorite Microsoft OS. I'm pretty sure people were still using Windows XP by the time Vista was released. Even when I was really into computers on YouTube, it wasn't as cool as Windows 7. Hell, I even think most people would agree with me that Windows 7 is way better than Vista.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 08/03/16 at 2:14 pm


Meh. Windows Vista wasn't really everyone's favorite Microsoft OS. I'm pretty sure people were still using Windows XP by the time Vista was released. Even when I was really into computers on YouTube, it wasn't as cool as Windows 7. Hell, I even think most people would agree with me that Windows 7 is way better than Vista.

Windows Vista sucks, I agree. Windows 7 is the best.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/03/16 at 2:51 pm


'07 was alright. Wasn't a terrible year. Certainly better than '06.

I liked 2006 better because it had the last remnants of the x-treme early 2000s. :P A sad farewell, but sad in a good way.

As I said before, it's like the Y2K era was at first the life of the party, then around 2003-2004, a bunch of lame real 00s fratboys stole the Y2Kers' thunder. However, there were still a few cool Y2K guys who stayed at the party in the background (i.e. Malcolm in the Middle, 6th generation games, etc.) throughout the mid 00s, up until late 2006-2007 where the remaining Y2K guys left the party altogether.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Howard on 08/03/16 at 2:57 pm


Vista was pretty bad, but I must admit, I find "Windows Vista" to be a cooler name than "Windows 7" (though Win7 is better than Vista in every other way).


I have Windows 8.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: mqg96 on 08/03/16 at 3:11 pm


2007 was a really fun year.


Yes it was! My absolute favorite year of the late 2000's hand down! The tail end of my core childhood too! My family and I went on sooo many trips throughout the year like Washington DC, Huntsville Alabama, Nashville Tennessee, and Sarota Florida. So many great movies came out in 2007 like No Country For Old Men, Ratatouille, Transformers, Into The Wild, 300, The Simpsons Movie, Harry Potter and the Order of Phoenix, and a few more. 7th generation gaming took off including the first full year online gaming was really popular, especially for those who had an XBOX 360 or Nintendo DS.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: mqg96 on 08/03/16 at 3:18 pm


The only tolerable year of the core 2000s IMO. :o

Blackberries took off, and fashion became a lot slimmer, though not as skinny as the early '10s quite yet.


2004 totally beats 2007 pop culturally by a landslide, except for maybe movies (debatably) or music but that's it. TV, video games, sports, the economy, and the overall environment was a lot better in 2004 than 2007. 2005 and 2007 might be evenly good. The only years 2007 crush in the 2000's are 2006 and 2009. 2007 slightly beats 2008 IMO.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/03/16 at 3:43 pm


2004 totally beats 2007 pop culturally by a landslide, except for maybe movies (debatably) or music but that's it. TV, video games, sports, the economy, and the overall environment was a lot better in 2004 than 2007. 2005 and 2007 might be evenly good. The only years 2007 crush in the 2000's are 2006 and 2009. 2007 slightly beats 2008 IMO.


2007 and 2008 were almost different within each other. Possibly because they were the only true late 2000s years to most people here.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Fearsword on 08/04/16 at 12:09 am

Also in 2007...
. John Howard's 11-year tenure as Australian PM ends that year. Infact he even lost his own seat at the same time.
. Katy Perry releases first major label single "Ur so Gay"

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Mitch Kramer on 08/04/16 at 8:32 am


I have Windows 8.


Windows 8 was a big step backwards, aesthetically.  Windows 7 was the zenith, better than anything before or since.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/04/16 at 8:35 am


Windows 8 was a big step backwards, aesthetically.  Windows 7 was the zenith, better than anything before or since.


It's nice that you still have Windows 7. I have Windows 10, but I could say that it's better than Windows 8.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 08/04/16 at 12:04 pm


Windows 8 was a big step backwards, aesthetically.  Windows 7 was the zenith, better than anything before or since.

Yeah Windows 7 is even better than 10 in my opinion.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Howard on 08/04/16 at 2:53 pm


It's nice that you still have Windows 7. I have Windows 10, but I could say that it's better than Windows 8.



What's better about it?

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/04/16 at 3:28 pm


But 2004 and 2005 were great years in my opinion (sorry Jordan)


You should apologize to me too  >:(

Lol jk. I don't really like 2007, but it was okay. What I like is how exciting the new technology was. TV was really good too.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 1:07 am

Honestly I didn't notice a significant shift in 2007. As a matter of fact... 2007 was the quintessential late 2000s year. Just like 2005 was the quintessential mid 00s year.
The second half of 2006 and the second half of 2008 were true cultural shifts.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/05/16 at 1:19 am


Honestly I didn't notice a significant shift in 2007. As a matter of fact... 2007 was the quintessential late 2000s year. Just like 2005 was the quintessential mid 00s year.
The second half of 2006 and the second half of 2008 were true cultural shifts.

We're getting close to late 2016. Can you say that at this point, it's starting to feel like the late 2010s, or is it still mid 2010s?

I say it still feels like the "political correctness"/social justice era that we've been in since 2013/14. There's a bit of a backlash against it, but the backlash hasn't been enough to stem the tide yet.

I'm not even a Donald Trump fan, but it seems like leftist news sites are trying to bash him at every turn for the smallest things, not just the things he actually screws up on. A few days ago, there was controversy over him EATING FRIED CHICKEN IN HIS PLANE. ::)

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 1:24 am


We're getting close to late 2016. Can you say that at this point, it's starting to feel like the late 2010s, or is it still mid 2010s?

I say it still feels like the "political correctness"/social justice era that we've been in since 2013/14. There's a bit of a backlash against it, but the backlash hasn't been enough to stem the tide yet.

I'm not even a Donald Trump fan, but it seems like leftist news sites are trying to bash him at every turn for the smallest things, not just the things he actually screws up on. A few days ago, there was controversy over him EATING FRIED CHICKEN IN HIS PLANE. ::)

I feel like we're transitioning from mid to late 10s... I feel like fall will be the official beginning of the late 10s.
Some will say 2017 will be the start of late, but I have a feeling the latter part of this year is gonna be different from the first half. Just like 2008.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/05/16 at 1:26 am

No offense to people here who are liberal, but I think something that sets the early 2010s apart from the mid-2010s is that it seems that the left has damaged its reputation rather badly in the mid-2010s, due to more focus on identity politics and political correctness which rubbed some the wrong way. Not as bad as the right's reputation, but still.

Some would argue Democrats morphed into the "Tumblr Party". :P Hopefully they can get themselves out of this hole they dug into... or perhaps they'll be stuck in it for eternity like the GOP.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 1:31 am


No offense to people here who are liberal, but I think something that sets the early 2010s apart from the mid-2010s is that it seems that the left has damaged its reputation rather badly in the mid-2010s. Not as bad as the right's reputation, but still.

Some would argue Democrats morphed into the "Tumblr Party" . :P

Things were less politically correct and more cooler in the Early 2010s.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/05/16 at 1:32 am


Things were less politically correct and more cooler in the 2010s.

Early 2010s, you mean?

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 1:33 am


Early 2010s, you mean?

Yes!
I need to fix it.... lol

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: JordanK1982 on 08/05/16 at 1:34 am


But 2004 and 2005 were great years in my opinion (sorry Jordan)


Maybe in the twilight zone but in reality this is far from the case.

;D :P

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 1:36 am


Maybe in the twilight zone but in reality this is far from the case.

;D :P

Better than today. It was great time growing up and living my life. :)

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 1:49 am

It took me a while to realize this... But I find it odd that once Obama took office being gangsta,macho cool, badass, extreme, and hardcore was no longer cool and eventually being nerdy, queer, and feminine became the rage.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: JordanK1982 on 08/05/16 at 1:50 am


Better than today. It was great time growing up and living my life. :)


I don't like either one. :P


It took me a while to realize this... But I find it odd that once Obama took office being gangsta,macho cool, badass, extreme, and hardcore was no longer cool and eventually being nerdy, queer, and feminine became the rage.


What's odd about it?

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 2:02 am


What's odd about it?

Maybe, my chose of word weren't too good. I think I meant say fascinating.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/05/16 at 2:05 am


It took me a while to realize this... But I find it odd that once Obama took office being gangsta,macho cool, badass, extreme, and hardcore was no longer cool and eventually being nerdy, queer, and feminine became the rage.

I didn't notice any of those changes until 2013/14.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: JordanK1982 on 08/05/16 at 2:09 am


Maybe, my chose of word weren't too good. I think I meant say fascinating.


Makes sense. Do you (or Zelek, if you have any idea) think there is any specific reason as to why things changed so quickly after Obama took over office?

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 2:09 am


I didn't notice any of those changes until 2013/14.

Really...
Cause 2009/10 was when I noticed it. Being nerdy and smart was slowly becoming cooler than being gangsta and extreme.
Most middle and high school classmates I interacted with were turned off by dumb, cool, jock, and tough guys. They preferred nerdy and more sophistiacted and  smart people. Maybe it was just the environment I was exposed to. lol

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/05/16 at 2:12 am


Makes sense. Do you (or Zelek, if you have any idea) think there is any specific reason as to why things changed so quickly after Obama took over office?

Because pop culture often changes depending on the political landscape of the time.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: JordanK1982 on 08/05/16 at 2:16 am


Because pop culture often changes depending on the political landscape of the time.


True, but everything is so damn wimpy this decade. The 90's were pretty liberal and yet they were all about either being apathetic/jaded or Xtreme! (more during the later half but whatev) not wimpy.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 2:17 am


Makes sense. Do you (or Zelek, if you have any idea) think there is any specific reason as to why things changed so quickly after Obama took over office?

I can't wrap my finger around it.... For example
During the Clinton and Bush years being like Tupac, Biggie, DMX, Coolio, 50 Cent, Wayne, Fred Durst, Tony Hawk, Steve Austin, John Cena, Bam Margera, old school Eminem, Brad Pitt, were the rage. But during the Obam years... being like Bieber, Jim Parsons, Chris Pratt, Macklemore, Drake, Harry Styles, Sam Smith, Ed Sheeran, Future,  that's been the rage.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/05/16 at 2:17 am


True, but everything is so damn wimpy this decade. The 90's were pretty liberal and yet they were all about either being apathetic/jaded or Xtreme! (more during the later half but whatev) not wimpy.

Perhaps liberals lost their way :P

I mean it happened (and is still happening) with the GOP post-9/11 or so. Some would argue they lost the plot during the Clinton years, however.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/05/16 at 2:19 am

Or perhaps... it's the fact that us dreaded post-87 Millennials took the spotlight from Gen X and made the culture feminized. ;)

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 2:20 am


True, but everything is so damn wimpy this decade.

Yeah, even the core 00s during the Myspace, ipod, 50 cent, iraq, crank rap, emo era seemed more badass than the current era.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/05/16 at 2:30 am

Yup, I agree with y'all, wimpy AND whiny.  ::)

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/05/16 at 2:40 am


It took me a while to realize this... But I find it odd that once Obama took office being gangsta,macho cool, badass, extreme, and hardcore was no longer cool and eventually being nerdy, queer, and feminine became the rage.


Obama took office in 2009. But he's mostly a 2010's figure.

Could it be that the 2010's feminist/social justice warrior craze, and progressive points of view, a rebellion against the more macho, hardcore, gangsta, and cool culture of the 00's?

The decade after usually rebels against the decade before. Like the minimalism of the 90's was a rebellion against the excess and big hair of the 1980's. The 1960's was a rebellion against the stuffy, overly-conservative culture of the 1950's.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/05/16 at 2:42 am


Obama took office in 2009. But he's mostly a 2010's figure.

Could it be that the 2010's feminist/social justice warrior craze, and progressive points of view, a rebellion against the more macho, hardcore, gangsta, and cool culture of the 00's?

The decade after usually rebels against the decade before. Like the minimalism of the 90's was a rebellion against the excess and big hair of the 1980's. The 1960's was a rebellion against the stuffy, overly-conservative culture of the 1950's.

Yeah I guess it's 2000s backlash.
The backlash started rather early....

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: mqg96 on 08/05/16 at 6:53 am


It took me a while to realize this... But I find it odd that once Obama took office being gangsta,macho cool, badass, extreme, and hardcore was no longer cool and eventually being nerdy, queer, and feminine became the rage.


Yeah, I noticed this too. I still noticed many people being macho cool and badass. (especially football players) However, I actually find the nerd culture to be cool. Throughout my high school years it was cool to talk about the XBOX 360 or PS3, and talking about comic books has been a cool thing as well, and I'm not talking about the stereotypical nerd look, but for example, the girls who are actually like cool nerds, really smart and look really attractive at the same time, it's hard to explain. Then you had people who are NOT nerds who are cool with glasses. Wearing glasses has become a style over the last several years now. In the past, it was uncool to have glasses on.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Howard on 08/05/16 at 7:04 am


It took me a while to realize this... But I find it odd that once Obama took office being gangsta,macho cool, badass, extreme, and hardcore was no longer cool and eventually being nerdy, queer, and feminine became the rage.


I noticed it.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/05/16 at 8:16 am


We're getting close to late 2016. Can you say that at this point, it's starting to feel like the late 2010s, or is it still mid 2010s?

I say it still feels like the "political correctness"/social justice era that we've been in since 2013/14. There's a bit of a backlash against it, but the backlash hasn't been enough to stem the tide yet.

I'm not even a Donald Trump fan, but it seems like leftist news sites are trying to bash him at every turn for the smallest things, not just the things he actually screws up on. A few days ago, there was controversy over him EATING FRIED CHICKEN IN HIS PLANE. ::)


The controversy was the knife and fork LOL

https://rumorbus.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/0802-donald-trump-twitter-4.jpg?w=450&h=450&crop=1

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/05/16 at 8:31 am


It took me a while to realize this... But I find it odd that once Obama took office being gangsta,macho cool, badass, extreme, and hardcore was no longer cool and eventually being nerdy, queer, and feminine became the rage.


Yes! I noticed this too :D

2007-08: Being a nerd got me picked on
2009-10: Being a nerd made everyone want to be friends with me ;D

It was the 2000s backlash. The whole materialistic and superficial 2000s died off for a more down-to-earth post-recession vibe.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/05/16 at 9:26 am


Yes! I noticed this too :D

2007-08: Being a nerd got me picked on
2009-10: Being a nerd made everyone want to be friends with me ;D

It was the 2000s backlash. The whole materialistic and superficial 2000s died off for a more down-to-earth post-recession vibe.


I graduated in high school in 2007, so I didn't experience this shift in the teen crowd.  :o

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/05/16 at 9:28 am


We're getting close to late 2016. Can you say that at this point, it's starting to feel like the late 2010s, or is it still mid 2010s?

I say it still feels like the "political correctness"/social justice era that we've been in since 2013/14. There's a bit of a backlash against it, but the backlash hasn't been enough to stem the tide yet.

I'm not even a Donald Trump fan, but it seems like leftist news sites are trying to bash him at every turn for the smallest things, not just the things he actually screws up on. A few days ago, there was controversy over him EATING FRIED CHICKEN IN HIS PLANE. ::)


I... don't see of how eating fried chicken at his preference is considered to be offensive.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/05/16 at 9:29 am


I graduated in high school in 2007, so I didn't experience this shift in the teen crowd.  :o


It's kind of why I believe 2008 was the last pure Gen Y year ;D

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/05/16 at 9:33 am

Do I have to be a late 2000s teen in order to get this shift? I'm pretty sure if I was a teen back in the late 2000s, then I would still listen to heavy metal (and other sorts of rock) while watching horror movies.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/05/16 at 9:36 am


The controversy was the knife and fork LOL

https://rumorbus.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/0802-donald-trump-twitter-4.jpg?w=450&h=450&crop=1


I want one from the bucket.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 08/05/16 at 10:02 am


I didn't notice any of those changes until 2013/14.

I noticed it long before that. Like 2008/2009.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 08/05/16 at 10:05 am


I... don't see of how eating fried chicken at his preference is considered to be offensive.

Oh he's done and said plenty of offensive things. A huge book full...

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/05/16 at 10:08 am


Oh he's done and said plenty of offensive things. A huge book full...


I'm pretty sure it's obvious if you kept track of this year's presidential election for a while.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Howard on 08/05/16 at 3:50 pm


Oh he's done and said plenty of offensive things. A huge book full...


He is considered a bully.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Looney Toon on 08/05/16 at 5:47 pm


I... don't see of how eating fried chicken at his preference is considered to be offensive.


Pffffttt HAHAHA! Now that's funny. Trump could be talking a walk through the park and people would find it offensive for some reason. He just has that effect on people it seems.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/05/16 at 5:49 pm


Pffffttt HAHAHA! Now that's funny. Trump could be talking a walk through the park and people would find it offensive for some reason. He just has that effect on people it seems.


Eh. He seems to be offensive according to these people, even though it doesn't make sense.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/05/16 at 5:50 pm

The reason is because - as I said before - the left fell off a cliff three years ago and gets offended by everything now. :P

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 08/05/16 at 5:54 pm


The reason is because - as I said before - the left fell off a cliff three years ago and gets offended by everything now. :P

No, the reason is because as Howard said he is a bully. He will always be a xenophobe no matter what he's doing...

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/05/16 at 5:55 pm

Yes, he's a bully, but it seems CNN, MSNBC, Facebook, Buzzfeed, Kotaku, and other (in my opinion, garbage) media outlets get offended by even the non-offensive things he does (for example, the aforementioned fried chicken incident).

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Joe00 on 08/05/16 at 6:01 pm


I... don't see of how eating fried chicken at his preference is considered to be offensive.

It was because he was eating it with a fork and knife like a weirdo 8-P not cause of the chicken itself.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/05/16 at 6:01 pm


Yes, he's a bully, but it seems CNN, MSNBC, Facebook, Buzzfeed, Kotaku, and other (in my opinion, garbage) media outlets get offended by even the non-offensive things he does (for example, the aforementioned fried chicken incident).


They weren't offended, they were showing off the comical picture where he's eating fried chicken with a knife and fork. It's hilarious.

edit: ^ exactly!

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/05/16 at 6:11 pm

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/animals-chicken-turkey-roast-roast_dinner-break_up-tcrn1021_low.jpg

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Howard on 08/06/16 at 7:19 am


Pffffttt HAHAHA! Now that's funny. Trump could be talking a walk through the park and people would find it offensive for some reason. He just has that effect on people it seems.


He has the magic touch.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Howard on 08/06/16 at 7:20 am


https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/animals-chicken-turkey-roast-roast_dinner-break_up-tcrn1021_low.jpg


;D

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/10/16 at 8:12 pm

I found this in my GIF folder from 2007, when the Wii was breaking sales records lol.

http://oi27.tinypic.com/35hkdx4.jpg

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/10/16 at 8:30 pm


I found this in my GIF folder from 2007, when the Wii was breaking sales records lol.

http://oi27.tinypic.com/35hkdx4.jpg


;D

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/10/16 at 8:31 pm


;D


It's chicken delight.  ;)

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 08/10/16 at 9:47 pm


Yes! I noticed this too :D

2007-08: Being a nerd got me picked on
2009-10: Being a nerd made everyone want to be friends with me ;D

It was the 2000s backlash. The whole materialistic and superficial 2000s died off for a more down-to-earth post-recession vibe.


Wow, was there really that much of a shift in high school culture during the late '00s?

When I left high school in 2005 it was still firmly entrenched in the era where kids would call you emo and shove you in a locker if they thought you weren't "macho" enough. It's weird that things could change so much in just three years.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/10/16 at 11:06 pm


Wow, was there really that much of a shift in high school culture during the late '00s?

When I left high school in 2005 it was still firmly entrenched in the era where kids would call you emo and shove you in a locker if they thought you weren't "macho" enough. It's weird that things could change so much in just three years.


Yeah, it felt very abrupt! I feel like after the recession, teachers really hammered in the importance of high grades and getting a good job, and the world around us was reinforcing what they were saying. A lot of people also say The Big Bang Theory, The Dark Knight, the rise of hipsters, and the huge social media campaign behind the 2008 election and Prop 8 made it cool to be a nerd or a weird person in general, I think those were contributing factors ;D

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/11/16 at 12:29 am

Lady Gaga, Obama, the economy, and more.  :)

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: #Infinity on 08/11/16 at 10:18 am


Yeah, it felt very abrupt! I feel like after the recession, teachers really hammered in the importance of high grades and getting a good job, and the world around us was reinforcing what they were saying. A lot of people also say The Big Bang Theory, The Dark Knight, the rise of hipsters, and the huge social media campaign behind the 2008 election and Prop 8 made it cool to be a nerd or a weird person in general, I think those were contributing factors ;D


I don't really remember that tremendous a shift in 2009-2010 in terms of attitudes towards metrosexuality, at least not in high school. All of the most popular kids at my school were still the Water Polo and Lacrosse players, with the football team being close behind. I distinctly remember that in early 2010, one of the seniors made a joke during a Valentine's Day assembly, in which he said he wanted to date the handsome male basketball player, to which the crowd roared with laughter, although another Senior wrote an article for the daily student publication criticizing this. I also still remember "that's so gay" jokes being pretty common in 12th grade, during the 2010-2011 school year. In all fairness, my perspective is probably a bit skewed because I went to a private high school where the creative and intelligent students were given decent credit and bullying was heavily frowned upon, but the fact that this overall culture of masculinity persisted after the Great Recession still says a lot.

I'm not sure how much general high school culture has changed since then, but since there are still constant stories of bullying today, I wouldn't exaggerate how much progress this decade has made over such matters compared to the 2000s.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Howard on 08/11/16 at 3:30 pm


I found this in my GIF folder from 2007, when the Wii was breaking sales records lol.

http://oi27.tinypic.com/35hkdx4.jpg


;D

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/11/16 at 4:54 pm


I don't really remember that tremendous a shift in 2009-2010 in terms of attitudes towards metrosexuality, at least not in high school. All of the most popular kids at my school were still the Water Polo and Lacrosse players, with the football team being close behind. I distinctly remember that in early 2010, one of the seniors made a joke during a Valentine's Day assembly, in which he said he wanted to date the handsome male basketball player, to which the crowd roared with laughter, although another Senior wrote an article for the daily student publication criticizing this. I also still remember "that's so gay" jokes being pretty common in 12th grade, during the 2010-2011 school year. In all fairness, my perspective is probably a bit skewed because I went to a private high school where the creative and intelligent students were given decent credit and bullying was heavily frowned upon, but the fact that this overall culture of masculinity persisted after the Great Recession still says a lot.

I'm not sure how much general high school culture has changed since then, but since there are still constant stories of bullying today, I wouldn't exaggerate how much progress this decade has made over such matters compared to the 2000s.


Oh, certainly, it's not as if everything changed overnight, but I think it was still a far cry from that mid-2000s macho and "anti-intellectual" culture (for lack of better words) that was practically all-prevalent.

In my own experience, "that's so gay" jokes started to become frowned upon in 2008-2009 school year, although it still persists to some extent even in 2016. As for sports, there might be a cultural difference there: Canadian high schools don't emphasize school sports very much, which is different from what I noticed about American schools.  There weren't any "popular" kids in my school, but there were some people who other people gravitated towards for whatever reason. In my first three years of high school, it felt like the kids who went to the most parties, had the most sex, or had the most money or the nicest car were the ones people respected. My personal ticket to fame was joining the Homework/Math club in 2009-2010 school year, as strange as that sounds. After getting a few top scores in some tests as well, a lot of kids started stopping me in the hallway and introducing themselves, and started inviting me to parties and to hang out with them after I helped them out with homework. That's in contrast to 2007-2008 school year when I got grabbed by the collar after mentioning that the science test was pretty easy, and was only let go until I admitted it was difficult :o In general, in my first two years of high school, raising your hand to ask a question usually got you laughed at. It was a stark contrast to my final year; to me it was a huge change in attitude.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: #Infinity on 08/11/16 at 5:58 pm


Oh, certainly, it's not as if everything changed overnight, but I think it was still a far cry from that mid-2000s macho and "anti-intellectual" culture (for lack of better words) that was practically all-prevalent.

In my own experience, "that's so gay" jokes started to become frowned upon in 2008-2009 school year, although it still persists to some extent even in 2016. As for sports, there might be a cultural difference there: Canadian high schools don't emphasize school sports very much, which is different from what I noticed about American schools.  There weren't any "popular" kids in my school, but there were some people who other people gravitated towards for whatever reason. In my first three years of high school, it felt like the kids who went to the most parties, had the most sex, or had the most money or the nicest car were the ones people respected. My personal ticket to fame was joining the Homework/Math club in 2009-2010 school year, as strange as that sounds. After getting a few top scores in some tests as well, a lot of kids started stopping me in the hallway and introducing themselves, and started inviting me to parties and to hang out with them after I helped them out with homework. That's in contrast to 2007-2008 school year when I got grabbed by the collar after mentioning that the science test was pretty easy, and was only let go until I admitted it was difficult :o In general, in my first two years of high school, raising your hand to ask a question usually got you laughed at. It was a stark contrast to my final year; to me it was a huge change in attitude.


Those have pretty much always been the most popular students at my high school, even in spite of the nerds having more of a home than your typical American high school. Even after I graduated from high school, I would hear plenty of stories from my sister during the rest of the early 2010s, and she was still really disillusioned by the drama and elitism that occurred at the school. She felt pressured into getting our family to move closer to the coast because she other students didn't want to drive so far to get to her house (most of them lived in La Jolla, Carmel Valley, Del Mar, and Rancho Santa Fe, whereas we were further inland). The kings and queens of her class were basically the ones whose parents were the wealthiest, who threw the best parties, and who had the sharpest looks. My high school crush, who graduated the same year as me, apparently also felt underappreciated through the end of high school, as like my sister, she was one of the blunter and more studious members of her class and wasn't constantly dating boys or going loco at parties.

I think your experience in high school may have to do partially with your location's culture, but it's also probably largely a maturity thing. Unlike the freshmen and sophomores, juniors and seniors are in the midst of applying to college and thus care more about their grades than ever before. In addition, as you get older during your teens, your view of the world gradually becomes less black and white, to the point that it's easier to acknowledge the negative repercussions of bullying. Finally, underclassmen are generally just easier targets for bullying than juniors and seniors are because they're smaller and less developed, making them simple prey for the few bad apples in the older classes.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 08/11/16 at 6:29 pm


Oh, certainly, it's not as if everything changed overnight, but I think it was still a far cry from that mid-2000s macho and "anti-intellectual" culture (for lack of better words) that was practically all-prevalent.

In my own experience, "that's so gay" jokes started to become frowned upon in 2008-2009 school year, although it still persists to some extent even in 2016. As for sports, there might be a cultural difference there: Canadian high schools don't emphasize school sports very much, which is different from what I noticed about American schools.  There weren't any "popular" kids in my school, but there were some people who other people gravitated towards for whatever reason. In my first three years of high school, it felt like the kids who went to the most parties, had the most sex, or had the most money or the nicest car were the ones people respected. My personal ticket to fame was joining the Homework/Math club in 2009-2010 school year, as strange as that sounds. After getting a few top scores in some tests as well, a lot of kids started stopping me in the hallway and introducing themselves, and started inviting me to parties and to hang out with them after I helped them out with homework. That's in contrast to 2007-2008 school year when I got grabbed by the collar after mentioning that the science test was pretty easy, and was only let go until I admitted it was difficult :o In general, in my first two years of high school, raising your hand to ask a question usually got you laughed at. It was a stark contrast to my final year; to me it was a huge change in attitude.

Yeah I noticed the same thing too. It's finally cool to be a geek now, which makes me happy!

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/11/16 at 9:53 pm


Those have pretty much always been the most popular students at my high school, even in spite of the nerds having more of a home than your typical American high school. Even after I graduated from high school, I would hear plenty of stories from my sister during the rest of the early 2010s, and she was still really disillusioned by the drama and elitism that occurred at the school. She felt pressured into getting our family to move closer to the coast because she other students didn't want to drive so far to get to her house (most of them lived in La Jolla, Carmel Valley, Del Mar, and Rancho Santa Fe, whereas we were further inland). The kings and queens of her class were basically the ones whose parents were the wealthiest, who threw the best parties, and who had the sharpest looks. My high school crush, who graduated the same year as me, apparently also felt underappreciated through the end of high school, as like my sister, she was one of the blunter and more studious members of her class and wasn't constantly dating boys or going loco at parties.

I think your experience in high school may have to do partially with your location's culture, but it's also probably largely a maturity thing. Unlike the freshmen and sophomores, juniors and seniors are in the midst of applying to college and thus care more about their grades than ever before. In addition, as you get older during your teens, your view of the world gradually becomes less black and white, to the point that it's easier to acknowledge the negative repercussions of bullying. Finally, underclassmen are generally just easier targets for bullying than juniors and seniors are because they're smaller and less developed, making them easier targets for the few bad apples in the older classes.


That's probably true about the maturity thing and other personal circumstances. I suspected as much myself. There was also an incident in spring 2009 that got a lot of the bullies expelled, which made the following school year a lot more relaxed. I think the rise of the nerds is something more than only I noticed though. It's something Eric and musicguy93 have commented on as well, about how being "not cool" is what's cool nowadays. There was a subsequent rise in "geek" culture like comic books, super hero movies, and The Big Bang Theory, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones etc. I think most of that has its roots in the late 2000s/early 2010s.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/12/16 at 12:00 am


That's probably true about the maturity thing and other personal circumstances. I suspected as much myself. There was also an incident in spring 2009 that got a lot of the bullies expelled, which made the following school year a lot more relaxed. I think the rise of the nerds is something more than only I noticed though. It's something Eric and musicguy93 have commented on as well, about how being "not cool" is what's cool nowadays. There was a subsequent rise in "geek" culture like comic books, super hero movies, and The Big Bang Theory, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones etc. I think most of that has its roots in the late 2000s/early 2010s.


Ewww, that is so not fetch.  ::)

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/12/16 at 12:06 am

Honestly, I hope comedy doesn't die in the future because of all this PC stuff going on.
Even though I'm gay, I don't mind a gay joke, even using slurs. Of course, if I don't know you, I'll be offended. And may even think you're homophobic. Hopefully, some people can learn timing, context, and setting. I'll happily accept that someone is joking, if they explain to me that they are joking, or being sarcastic. But it may affect the friendship if they tell the joke at the beginning of the friendship, or come on too strong with the joke. I'll forgive them, but the friendship will most likely fade.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: #Infinity on 08/12/16 at 1:11 am


Honestly, I hope comedy doesn't die in the future because of all this PC stuff going on.
Even though I'm gay, I don't mind a gay joke, even using slurs. Of course, if I don't know you, I'll be offended. And may even think you're homophobic. Hopefully, some people can learn timing, context, and setting. I'll happily accept that someone is joking, if they explain to me that they are joking, or being sarcastic. But it may affect the friendship if they tell the joke at the beginning of the friendship, or come on too strong with the joke. I'll forgive them, but the friendship will most likely fade.


I just hope individuality doesn't die in the future. The only reason this mid-2010s SJW/hipster garbage is treated as "diverse" and "unique" is because it's not the same as what was socially customary in the past. In reality, our current era feels more like the 50s than ever before, in that people try to profess the current era as a utopia of happiness and prosperity when in reality the culture is shallow and conformist, and you're totally scrutinized for having even a moderately deviant prospective or define yourself by purely your own terms and not just what the social media crowd promotes on a widespread basis.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 08/12/16 at 1:35 am


I just hope individuality doesn't die in the future. The only reason this mid-2010s SJW/hipster garbage is treated as "diverse" and "unique" is because it's not the same as what was socially customary in the past. In reality, our current era feels more like the 50s than ever before, in that people try to profess the current era as a utopia of happiness and prosperity when in reality the culture is shallow and conformist, and you're totally scrutinized for having even a moderately deviant prospective or define yourself by purely your own terms and not just what the social media crowd promotes on a widespread basis.


So it's like a canned version of 'uniqueness' and 'individuality'.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/12/16 at 7:54 am


Honestly, I hope comedy doesn't die in the future because of all this PC stuff going on.
Even though I'm gay, I don't mind a gay joke, even using slurs. Of course, if I don't know you, I'll be offended. And may even think you're homophobic. Hopefully, some people can learn timing, context, and setting. I'll happily accept that someone is joking, if they explain to me that they are joking, or being sarcastic. But it may affect the friendship if they tell the joke at the beginning of the friendship, or come on too strong with the joke. I'll forgive them, but the friendship will most likely fade.


I only like gay jokes if they're funny LOL

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/12/16 at 8:20 am


I just hope individuality doesn't die in the future. The only reason this mid-2010s SJW/hipster garbage is treated as "diverse" and "unique" is because it's not the same as what was socially customary in the past. In reality, our current era feels more like the 50s than ever before, in that people try to profess the current era as a utopia of happiness and prosperity when in reality the culture is shallow and conformist, and you're totally scrutinized for having even a moderately deviant prospective or define yourself by purely your own terms and not just what the social media crowd promotes on a widespread basis.


I agree with the 50s feel, since it does seem like far-right politics are somehow relevant, thanks to Donald Trump's candidacy. I don't know what to feel if he loses, since it may seem like his violent supporters would start riots across the country. I'm not sure if that would be an accurate prediction. But considering this is coming from Trump, who threatened to kill Clinton with his Second Amendment people, it wouldn't end with a happy ending.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 08/12/16 at 10:20 am


I agree with the 50s feel, since it does seem like far-right politics are somehow relevant, thanks to Donald Trump's candidacy. I don't know what to feel if he loses, since it may seem like his violent supporters would start riots across the country. I'm not sure if that would be an accurate prediction. But considering this is coming from Trump, who threatened to kill Clinton with his Second Amendment people, it wouldn't end with a happy ending.


1950s didn't have much far-right. There were some far-left communist countries and then there were socially conservative and capitalist countries like the US. Infinity's saying that the 2010s try to keep up a happy image, when there's a lot of sadness upon closer inspection, like the 1950s.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/12/16 at 11:17 am


1950s didn't have much far-right. There were some far-left communist countries and then there were socially conservative and capitalist countries like the US. Infinity's saying that the 2010s try to keep up a happy image, when there's a lot of sadness upon closer inspection, like the 1950s.


Well, I'm saying that the 2010s kinda has some creepy 50s/early 60s vibes. I mean with Trump's candidacy, he's basically promising a utopia free of Hispanics, Muslims, and other kind of minorities that his supporters hate. Just like how southern white people in the U.S. felt that racial segregation was a factual thing for their hatred of non-whites, especially in the early-mid 20th century.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: aja675 on 09/04/16 at 7:10 am

I think the bigger shift was in 2006.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 09/04/16 at 10:01 am


Well, I'm saying that the 2010s kinda has some creepy 50s/early 60s vibes. I mean with Trump's candidacy, he's basically promising a utopia free of Hispanics, Muslims, and other kind of minorities that his supporters hate. Just like how southern white people in the U.S. felt that racial segregation was a factual thing for their hatred of non-whites, especially in the early-mid 20th century.

Adding to the 50s/60s vibes, it seems the so-called "social justice warriors" are, in some cases, actual communists or marxists. :P

No, I'm not a conspiracy theorists, that's what some of them ACTUALLY call themselves! ;D But then, they're mostly in their late teens and early-mid 20s, a stage in life when we all think we know everything and have these very silly beliefs. Hopefully some of them will grow out of it.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 09/04/16 at 10:25 am


Adding to the 50s/60s vibes, it seems the so-called "social justice warriors" are, in some cases, actual communists or marxists. :P

No, I'm not a conspiracy theorists, that's what some of them ACTUALLY call themselves! ;D But then, they're mostly in their late teens and early-mid 20s, a stage in life when we all think we know everything and have these very silly beliefs. Hopefully some of them will grow out of it.


I actually don't think communists or Marxist sympathizers don't really think straight white males are the problem of society. Even in the 50s/60s, they actually just wanted equality towards anything. SJWs just want everyone to believe their retarded views, while nobody outside of their community tends to give a crap.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 09/04/16 at 10:44 am


I think the bigger shift was in 2006.

I think it was 2008.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 09/04/16 at 11:49 am


Adding to the 50s/60s vibes, it seems the so-called "social justice warriors" are, in some cases, actual communists or marxists. :P

No, I'm not a conspiracy theorists, that's what some of them ACTUALLY call themselves! ;D But then, they're mostly in their late teens and early-mid 20s, a stage in life when we all think we know everything and have these very silly beliefs. Hopefully some of them will grow out of it.


The Socialist Club at my university is the biggest political club there I think. I accidentally joined it in my first year lol.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 09/04/16 at 11:51 am


The Socialist Club at my university is the biggest political club there I think. I accidentally joined it in my first year lol.


I thought you wanted to be a socialist on purpose during the late 2000s/early 2010s. How did you get there accidentally?

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 09/04/16 at 11:58 am


I thought you wanted to be a socialist on purpose during the late 2000s/early 2010s. How did you get there accidentally?


That was just Grade 11, 2008-2009 school year at the height of the recession. I grew out of it the next year.

The guy who was signing up people for the club asked who I voted for in 2011, I said Jack Layton, who is "democratic socialist" (like Bernie Sanders), so he signed me up. But when I went there, it was "all means of production should be owned by the public/government" socialist, like literal socialist. Got out of there.  ;D

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 09/04/16 at 12:02 pm


That was just Grade 11, 2008-2009 school year at the height of the recession. I grew out of it the next year.

The guy who was signing up people for the club asked who I voted for in 2011, I said Jack Layton, who is "democratic socialist" (like Bernie Sanders), so he signed me up. But when I went there, it was "all means of production should be owned by the public/government" socialist, like literal socialist. Got out of there.  ;D


So, are you just a democratic socialist? Just like Bernie's supporters? Because I could somehow relate. My family wanted to vote for him, but he got out of the election thanks to Hillary winning. Honestly, if he did won the Democratic nomination, then I would've cheered so much for Bernie every day. Now, we have to deal with Hillary against a person who shouldn't even be president in the first place (by which I mean Trump).

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 09/04/16 at 12:24 pm


So, are you just a democratic socialist? Just like Bernie's supporters? Because I could somehow relate. My family wanted to vote for him, but he got out of the election thanks to Hillary winning. Honestly, if he did won the Democratic nomination, then I would've cheered so much for Bernie every day. Now, we have to deal with Hillary against a person who shouldn't even be president in the first place (by which I mean Trump).


I would say I'm capitalist now, but capitalism has its flaws, so we should have strong public schools, generous safety net/welfare system, and some government intervention etc. So that everyone has equal opportunity to get ahead and no one gets left behind. I don't agree with the basis of socialism anymore ("from each according to his ability to each according to his need").

I wanted Hillary to win the primaries *hides*, because she had more experience. But I loved Bernie too, I wouldn't have minded either of them winning. It's just that, I saw Obama's first two years, and I don't think being senator prepares you for the presidency. Obama made a lot of rookie mistakes.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 09/04/16 at 12:31 pm


So, are you just a democratic socialist? Just like Bernie's supporters? Because I could somehow relate. My family wanted to vote for him, but he got out of the election thanks to Hillary winning. Honestly, if he did won the Democratic nomination, then I would've cheered so much for Bernie every day. Now, we have to deal with Hillary against a person who shouldn't even be president in the first place (by which I mean Trump).

I'm a socialist, centre-left. The NDP is my favourite party and I always vote for them.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 09/04/16 at 12:33 pm


I wanted Hillary to win the primaries *hides*, because she had more experience.


Both of them were senators. While Sanders was the mayor of Burlington (a town in Vermont), a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, and a chair at the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. Honestly, it didn't really matter if Sanders was less experienced. I could take him any day instead of Trump.


But I loved Bernie too, I wouldn't have minded either of them winning. It's just that, I saw Obama's first two years, and I don't think being senator prepares you for the presidency. Obama made a lot of rookie mistakes.


But even with that, Obama somehow recovered the economy. It didn't really matter to Sanders, since he was really into politics ever since he was in college.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 09/04/16 at 12:34 pm


The Socialist Club at my university is the biggest political club there I think. I accidentally joined it in my first year lol.


You subconsciously did it when your finger accidentally slipped on the submit button on the application page of the university's website.

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Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 09/04/16 at 12:41 pm


I'm a socialist, centre-left. The NDP is my favourite party and I always vote for them.


I still vote NDP provincially. Federally, Trudeau is very quickly charming me onto the Liberal side  :-[

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 09/04/16 at 12:45 pm


You subconsciously did it when your finger accidentally slipped on the submit button on the application page of the university's website.

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The leader had him sign up for the club.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 09/04/16 at 12:49 pm


The leader had him sign up for the club.


I'm just funning, just funning! Eh???

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 09/04/16 at 12:50 pm


I'm just funning, just funning! Eh???


Ok...  :-\\

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 09/04/16 at 2:28 pm


Both of them were senators. While Sanders was the mayor of Burlington (a town in Vermont), a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, and a chair at the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. Honestly, it didn't really matter if Sanders was less experienced. I could take him any day instead of Trump.

But even with that, Obama somehow recovered the economy. It didn't really matter to Sanders, since he was really into politics ever since he was in college.


Clinton was Secretary of State as well, so she has experience at the executive level.

The problem with the recovery is that it could have been a lot bigger. The original stimulus was $1.5 trillion, Obama cut it down to $800 billion to satisfy Republican demands,  and still none of them voted for it. He fumbled Obamacare for similar reasons. Democrats had a majority in both the House and Senate in 2009/2010 but it was largely wasted on appeasing the Republican minority, and other rookie mistakes. Obama was too idealistic. That's why I support Clinton. Dems will have the Senate in 2017/18, but they will definitely lose it in 2018. Dems only have two years to get the bulk of their platform passed, so they have to hit the ground running, we can't really spend it on the president learning the ropes. That's how I feel anyway ;D

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 09/04/16 at 3:13 pm


The problem with the recovery is that it could have been a lot bigger. The original stimulus was $1.5 trillion, Obama cut it down to $800 billion to satisfy Republican demands,  and still none of them voted for it. He fumbled Obamacare for similar reasons. Democrats had a majority in both the House and Senate in 2009/2010 but it was largely wasted on appeasing the Republican minority, and other rookie mistakes. Obama was too idealistic. That's why I support Clinton. Dems will have the Senate in 2017/18, but they will definitely lose it in 2018. Dems only have two years to get the bulk of their platform passed, so they have to hit the ground running, we can't really spend it on the president learning the ropes. That's how I feel anyway ;D


Obama was a young man when he was elected president in 2008. Clinton already had experience as the Senator, Secretary of State (under Obama), and was the First Lady of both Governor and President (Bill Clinton). Sanders already had experience as Senator, local mayor, and member of the House of Representatives. What more could you get from him? Both of them were politically experienced. At least that's better than Trump, who never had any prior political experience whatsoever. Sure, you could get a dominated Democratic senate with Clinton, since she's well respected over the party. But it just seems like she doesn't really deserve the candidacy when she was nominated from the Democratic Party.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 09/04/16 at 4:00 pm

Personally, 2007 was a fun year, then came October for me.  :-[

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Looney Toon on 09/04/16 at 7:09 pm


I'm just funning, just funning! Eh???


We don't allow funning on this part of the internet. Time to hand over your InThe00s badge, Soldier.  >:(

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Looney Toon on 09/04/16 at 7:11 pm


Personally, 2007 was a fun year, then came October for me.  :-[


October of 2007? Now that was when I had the greatest Holloween Party of all time. All the high schoolers, neighbors, and other friends of friends showed up. We did so many things at that party. And a few other things that I can't talk about due to self-given censorship.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 09/04/16 at 7:33 pm


We don't allow funning on this part of the internet. Time to hand over your InThe00s badge, Soldier.  >:(


Whoa, aggressive there, officer!  :D

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 09/04/16 at 7:37 pm


Personally, 2007 was a fun year, then came October for me.  :-[


Eh. The best October I ever had in my life was 2009. I went to my friends' house for a sleepover and Trick or Treat festival. He had a basement that had a Super Nintendo, and a Nintendo 64 (with a Castlevania game). Seeing those consoles for the first time in real life that day was amazing.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 09/04/16 at 8:12 pm


Eh. The best October I ever had in my life was 2009. I went to my friends' house for a sleepover and Trick or Treat festival. He had a basement that had a Super Nintendo, and a Nintendo 64 (with a Castlevania game). Seeing those consoles for the first time in real life that day was amazing.


The best October I had was October 2001.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Looney Toon on 09/04/16 at 8:14 pm


The best October I had was October 2001.


I remember Good ol' October of 2001. Monsters Inc released and I loved every minute of it.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 09/04/16 at 8:22 pm


I remember Good ol' October of 2001. Monsters Inc released and I loved every minute of it.


A great year for movies. I loved The Others, from 2001. But back to 2007.....

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 09/04/16 at 8:26 pm

There was a recession in late 2007, like around December I think. A little preview of the late 2008/2009 economic disaster.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 09/04/16 at 8:41 pm


The best October I had was October 2001.

Mine was probably October of the early 00s too. Or maybe October 1998 or 1999 because it's the first time I went trick or treating.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 09/04/16 at 8:44 pm


Mine was probably October of the early 00s too. Or maybe October 1998 or 1999 because it's the first time I went trick or treating.


Yes. I find October to be one of the most fun months of the year.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 09/04/16 at 8:51 pm


Yes. I find October to be one of the most fun months of the year.

That and December.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 2001 on 09/05/16 at 12:07 am


Personally, 2007 was a fun year, then came October for me.  :-[


What happened in October?

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: 80sfan on 09/05/16 at 12:10 am


What happened in October?


It was the beginning of my dark era from 2007 to 2014!  :-X

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Zelek3 on 09/05/16 at 1:22 am

SO, it's now September of 2016. I'm expecting another shift to happen soon, maybe after the election, but for a few months I think things will remain more or less the same as they were for the first 8 months of this year.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Slim95 on 09/05/16 at 10:25 am


SO, it's now September of 2016. I'm expecting another shift to happen soon, maybe after the election, but for a few months I think things will remain more or less the same as they were for the first 8 months of this year.

I'm really not expecting a shift any time soon anymore.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Howard on 09/05/16 at 2:33 pm


Yes. I find October to be one of the most fun months of the year.


I agree.

Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Looney Toon on 09/05/16 at 7:15 pm


It was the beginning of my dark era from 2007 to 2014!  :-X


Damn 7 years?  :-\\ Wonder what got you out of your dark era.


Subject: Re: The 2007 shift

Written By: Baltimoreian on 09/05/16 at 7:24 pm


It was the beginning of my dark era from 2007 to 2014!  :-X


My dark era was only 2 years. May 2012 to mid September 2014. A lot of crap has happened during that time. It was really awful during 2012, but started to lay off around late 2013. I was pretty immature at that time, and it made me feel regrettable.

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