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Subject: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/22/16 at 11:58 pm

I know there are already plenty of Disney Channel & Nickelodeon threads on this site, but I have a question. Do you guys think that the Golden Years for Disney channel during the early-mid 2000's were similar to the golden years to Nick during the early-mid 90's?

The reason I ask this is because when I look at '90's Nickelodeon' nostalgia (be it on YouTube, forums, blogs, collages, etc.), many of the lists include Nick's live action shows. Heck arguably, most of the weight on Classic Nick nostalgia is placed on Nickcoms, rather than Nicktoons.



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Shows like Clarissa Explains It All, Pete & Pete, All That, Are You Afraid of The Dark? and Kenan & Kel to name a few, remain hit classics on the network. We also cannot forget Nick's epic game shows like Double Dare and Legends of the Hidden Temple, amongst others. And of course Nick's iconic Nicktoons, Rugrats, Doug, Ren & Stimpy, etc. When I talk to 80's babies, these shows and programs are usually what come to mind when discussing 'old school' Nick.

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Now I see a lot of people comparing Nick's golden age to Cartoon Network's Powerhouse Era (from 1997-2004), aka when CN was in its golden age. While I agree that there are many similarities (Nicktoons v. Cartoon Cartoons, Wide variety of programming, etc.), CN during the late 90's/early 00's had no live action shows on the network. Because of this comparing Nick's GA to CN's GA, doesn't really make that much sense. I actually thought CN actually had more in common with Toon Disney (Disney's 'Cartoon Network' essentially) than it did to Nick.





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One match up I'm starting to see more often now (and for good reason) is Nick's GA being compared to Disney Channel's GA (from 1997-2006). The reasons this match up makes more sense is because both channels were VERY obscure before their golden ages, despite having a few good classics (ie on Disney; Kids Incorporated and The New Mickey Mouse Club. On Nick; You Can't Do That on Television and Hey Dude). They both also massively rose into popularity once their golden ages began, with Nick in 1991 with the launch of the 3 original Nicktoons, & Disney in 1997 when it became a basic cable package. They both also were known for both their animation and live action shows. I already mentioned the Nickelodeon classics, but Disney Channel classics aren't limited to these variations. Live action shows like The Famous Jett Jackson, So Weird, Even Stevens, Lizzie McGuire, and That's So Raven, along with reruns of Boy Meets World and Sister Sister. Game shows like Bug Juice. And of course cartoons like Kim Possible and The Proud Family, along with reruns of Recess and Pepper Ann.

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If you think about it, both channel's during their golden ages had their memorable live action shows, game shows, & cartoons. Plus the respective channels had certain aces up their sleeves. Nick had yearly events like the Kids Choice Awards, and they had a nighttime block for adults called Nick@Nite. Disney Channel on the other hand had Vault Disney (at least during the 97'-02' period) which reran classic Walt Disney shorts, and most notably Disney Channel Original Movies.

So which do you prefer, Nick's Golden Age in the 1990's or Disney Channel's Golden Age in the 2000's?

If you're wondering what my opinion is, I'll give my answer shortly! Honestly, at least for me, this seems like a pretty even match and could go either way.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 12/23/16 at 12:59 am

You sure about 2006 being golden age DC? Seems iffy.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/23/16 at 5:58 am

I'll rather go with the golden age of Disney for this one. At least it was worth watching in my perspective, than watch something like Rugrats (which I find overrated imo) at the time. Plus, it's just a bit confusing for those who watched Nickelodeon in the early 2000s, since it's similar from the early-mid 90s. But with Disney, I already knew that something was going on by the time they aired Hannah Montana so much in the late 2000s. It's at least identifiable for me to know what was going on at the time.


You sure about 2006 being golden age DC? Seems iffy.


Well, 2006 gave out a lot of good stuff on Disney Channel. Sure, it was the first year that Hannah Montana aired, but it wasn't as crazy until 2008. I could give a reason why ZeldaFan20 put in 2006 as part of Disney Channel's golden age.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: 2001 on 12/23/16 at 9:54 am

I love Nicktoons! I didn't watch much Disney Channel.

Weirdly enough, I'd take early 2000s Nickelodeon over early 2000s Disney as well ;D House of Mouse was a spectacular show though.

Despite what you said in your OP though, CN /Kids WB were kings. Whoever had the anime was king!

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/23/16 at 10:13 am


You sure about 2006 being golden age DC? Seems iffy.


I meant that 2006 was a transitional year for Disney channel, similar to how 1998 was a transitional year for Nick. If you wanna look at things from a school years perspective the golden age lasted from:

1997-1998 through 2005-2006.



I'll rather go with the golden age of Disney for this one. At least it was worth watching in my perspective, than watch something like Rugrats (which I find overrated imo) at the time. Plus, it's just a bit confusing for those who watched Nickelodeon in the early 2000s, since it's similar from the early-mid 90s. But with Disney, I already knew that something was going on by the time they aired Hannah Montana so much in the late 2000s. It's at least identifiable for me to know what was going on at the time.

Well, 2006 gave out a lot of good stuff on Disney Channel. Sure, it was the first year that Hannah Montana aired, but it wasn't as crazy until 2008. I could give a reason why ZeldaFan20 put in 2006 as part of Disney Channel's golden age.


I grew up with Nick during the Silver age in the early 00's, and I personally preferred it over Disney Channel, any day of the week! Heck out of all the channels I watched as a kid, Disney Channel was my least favorite. It wasn't bad, and I still watched it regularly, but I always found the variety of cartoons on Nick & CN to be miles better! I also was a huge fan of Toon Disney, before they launched Jetix that is. FWIW, though I still liked Disney Channel, but I didn't start watching it more regularly until the 2003-2004 school year.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/23/16 at 10:15 am


I love Nicktoons! I didn't watch much Disney Channel.

Weirdly enough, I'd take early 2000s Nickelodeon over early 2000s Disney as well ;D House of Mouse was a spectacular show though.

Despite what you said in your OP though, CN /Kids WB were kings. Whoever had the anime was king!


THIS. Also yeah Kids WB & Toonami were the stuff back in the day!

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/23/16 at 10:33 am


Despite what you said in your OP though, CN /Kids WB were kings. Whoever had the anime was king!


Anime was better on Cartoon Network though.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/23/16 at 10:43 am


I grew up with Nick during the Silver age in the early 00's, and I personally preferred it over Disney Channel, any day of the week! Heck out of all the channels I watched as a kid, Disney Channel was my least favorite. It wasn't bad, and I still watched it regularly, but I always found the variety of cartoons on Nick & CN to be miles better! I also was a huge fan of Toon Disney, before they launched Jetix that is. FWIW, though I still liked Disney Channel, but I didn't start watching it more regularly until the 2003-2004 school year.


I was mostly a fan of Nickelodeon as a kid, since I watched it from 2003 (from Nick Jr.) to 2009. I wasn't too big on watching it in the early 2010s, since the network wasn't the same after they changed the logo. It changed my perspective for them after that. It wasn't until 2012/2013 when I stopped watching them. I haven't watched them ever since.

As for Disney Channel, I think I got into them after I was fascinated with Lilo and Stitch in late 2004. It was really cool for me until 2007, when they found their sitcoms to be profitable. I didn't really think I watched the main Disney Channel after that, so I watched Toon Disney until they rebranded.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/24/16 at 1:57 am


Well, 2006 gave out a lot of good stuff on Disney Channel. Sure, it was the first year that Hannah Montana aired, but it wasn't as crazy until 2008. I could give a reason why ZeldaFan20 put in 2006 as part of Disney Channel's golden age.

Naw bro, 2006 was when Disney Channel started to fall apart. It really should have been 2002-2005...

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/24/16 at 1:59 am


You sure about 2006 being golden age DC? Seems iffy.

Agreed my friend, he should have ended it with 2005. For crying out loud, Proud Family ended and Kim Possible's original run also ended that year as well. 2006 with Hannah Monatana and HSM premiering felt like the start of something new. 2006-mid 2007 was basically the silver age...

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: 80sfan on 12/24/16 at 4:25 am

I prefer Nickelodeon's Golden Age, because I like the 1991 to 1998 era way more than the 1997 to 2005/2006 era.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/24/16 at 10:00 am


Naw bro, 2006 was when Disney Channel started to fall apart. It really should have been 2002-2005...


Yeah, but it still had a lot of shows that came from the early-mid 2000s era. Even though most of them were ending.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Howard on 12/24/16 at 12:45 pm

I only remember Old School Nickelodeon cause that's when I started watching You Can't Do That On Television during the early 1990's.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/24/16 at 3:44 pm


Agreed my friend, he should have ended it with 2005. For crying out loud, Proud Family ended and Kim Possible's original run also ended that year as well. 2006 with Hannah Monatana and HSM premiering felt like the start of something new. 2006-mid 2007 was basically the silver age...


Didn't Kim Possible end in 2007? Also I'm not denying that 2006 was the beginning of the end for Disney channel, I've actually been a pretty staunch critic on Disney channel's marketing since 2006. I'm just saying that the year in the grand scheme of things was a transitional year.

I agree that 2005 was the last GOOD year for Disney channel from beginning to end. However, the 2005-2006 school year was the last GOOD period for Disney channel, despite Hannah Montana and High School Musical premiering. That was the last school year that shows like Phil of the Future & That's So Raven (technically ended in 2007, but was not being consistently made by then) being originally ran. Zack & Cody was still good (Aka before the 'cruise ship' series). Also cannot forget that in 05'-06' you still had reruns of Lizzie McGuire & Evens Stevens, and still had reruns of syndicated shows like Boy Meets World & Sister Sister.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/26/16 at 11:03 pm


Didn't Kim Possible end in 2007? l

Sigh... Bro I flat out said earlier that it's ORIGINAL run ended in 2005, it was brought back for a last season and then ended.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 12/26/16 at 11:21 pm


Sigh... Bro I flat out said earlier that it's ORIGINAL run ended in 2005, it was brought back for a last season and then ended.


Yeah, it's amazing how season 4 of Kim Possible is the only one of the series I don't remember watching for some reason. Self explanatory.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/27/16 at 1:45 am


Sigh... Bro I flat out said earlier that it's ORIGINAL run ended in 2005, it was brought back for a last season and then ended.



Yeah, it's amazing how season 4 of Kim Possible is the only one of the series I don't remember watching for some reason. Self explanatory.


I actually didn't know that. Anyways I agree that 2006 as a whole was a major turning point for the network. I think 2005 was the last GOOD year for Disney Channel, while the 05'-06' season was the last GOOD season for Disney Channel. The ending of shows like The Proud Family, Kim Possible, Phil of the Future, & That's So Raven in 05' & 06', along with the end of reruns for shows like Lizzie McGuire & Even Stevens in 06', are major reasons.

Question, when do you think Disney Channel was at its peak in quality?

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/27/16 at 3:14 am


I actually didn't know that. Anyways I agree that 2006 as a whole was a major turning point for the network. I think 2005 was the last GOOD year for Disney Channel, while the 05'-06' season was the last GOOD season for Disney Channel. The ending of shows like The Proud Family, Kim Possible, Phil of the Future, & That's So Raven in 05' & 06', along with the end of reruns for shows like Lizzie McGuire & Even Stevens in 06', are major reasons.

Question, when do you think Disney Channel was at its peak in quality?

I thought 2003 and 2004 were the overall peak years for me. Reruns of Bug Juice, Jett Jackson, Boy Meets World, Smart guy and Sister Sister. Even Stevens, Lizzie, Raven, Proud Family, Phil of the future, Dave the Barbarian, Kim Possible, etc.  Since I was a Zoog fan, it was the perfect mix of some zoog holdover shows and early modern era shows.
But, yeah for me that four year period of 2002-2005 was fanastic.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 12/27/16 at 3:20 am

Y'know, it's weird. People credit Anne Sweeney (former president of Disney Channel) with DC's decline starting in 2006, due to the oversaturation of teen pop stuff like Hannah Montana and High School Musical.

But the thing is... she became president of DC in 1996 and resigned in 2014, so she was ALSO responsible for the Even Stevens/Lizzie McGuire/That's So Raven era that people love so much! :o It makes you wonder what caused the shift.

A similar case happened with Michael Eisner (president of Disney from 1984 to 2005). From 1984 to 1999, he built Disney back to its former status with the Renaissance movies, but then, in 2000 to 2005, he brought them down with incredibly stupid decisions.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/27/16 at 4:10 am


Y'know, it's weird. People credit Anne Sweeney (former president of Disney Channel) with DC's decline starting in 2006, due to the oversaturation of teen pop stuff like Hannah Montana and High School Musical.

But the thing is... she became president of DC in 1996 and resigned in 2014, so she was ALSO responsible for the Even Stevens/Lizzie McGuire/That's So Raven era that people love so much! :o It makes you wonder what caused the shift.

A similar case happened with Michael Eisner (president of Disney from 1984 to 2005). From 1984 to 1999, he built Disney back to its former status with the Renaissance movies, but then, in 2000 to 2005, he brought them down with incredibly stupid decisions.


I guess Disney cared more about their TV and Pixar divisions, since their traditionally animated movie ones weren't do so well. Add to which most Disney movies at the time where direct-to-DVD sequels, it kinda makes sense.

For Disney Channel, I really didn't care for it after 2007. So it's not like I saw a lot of differences while watching it in general. Unless you were talking about Toon Disney, where it didn't change drastically until early 2009.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Ripley on 12/27/16 at 4:29 am

For me it will always be Nickelodeon. In the 90's and early 2000's Disney had great DCOMs. But there have only been a few shows on there I watched a lot, Lizzie, Even Stevens and Raven. I like Good Luck Charlie, their first good show in several years but it's been a few years now since it went off the air. I watched Nick every day from 91 until Kenan & Kel's last episode in 2000.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/27/16 at 4:40 am


For me it will always be Nickelodeon. In the 90's and early 2000's Disney had great DCOMs. But there have only been a few shows on there I watched a lot, Lizzie, Even Stevens and Raven. I like Good Luck Charlie, their first good show in several years but it's been a few years now since it went off the air. I watched Nick every day from 91 until Kenan & Kel's last episode in 2000.


Same with me. Throughout my entire childhood, I always watched Nickelodeon (and its sister channels). I stopped watching it by the time iCarly ended, since it was the last show that I truly liked from the channel. Ever since then, I thought Nickelodeon wasn't really the same. Even though they started to act different when they changed their logo in 2009.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 12/27/16 at 10:18 am


I actually didn't know that. Anyways I agree that 2006 as a whole was a major turning point for the network. I think 2005 was the last GOOD year for Disney Channel, while the 05'-06' season was the last GOOD season for Disney Channel. The ending of shows like The Proud Family, Kim Possible, Phil of the Future, & That's So Raven in 05' & 06', along with the end of reruns for shows like Lizzie McGuire & Even Stevens in 06', are major reasons.

Question, when do you think Disney Channel was at its peak in quality?


This is exactly how I feel about the station as well. I would not pick 2006 as a whole year, but I wouldn't mind picking the '05-'06 season though.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Ripley on 12/27/16 at 11:36 am


Same with me. Throughout my entire childhood, I always watched Nickelodeon (and its sister channels). I stopped watching it by the time iCarly ended, since it was the last show that I truly liked from the channel. Ever since then, I thought Nickelodeon wasn't really the same. Even though they started to act different when they changed their logo in 2009.

I did however tune back in when Drake & Josh started in 2005. By then Zoey 101 had started. So I watched both but that's it. This is the same as with Good Luck Charlie. I only tuned back into Disney for that. So I wasn't a regular viewer again for either. But I was a big Nickelodeon fan! I had the orange vhs tapes, toys, video games etc. The only other channel I was really into at the time was MTV and it was half as much lol. Though I watched those few shows I was never a huge fan of Disney.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Looney Toon on 12/27/16 at 11:45 am


I did however tune back in when Drake & Josh started in 2005. By then Zoey 101 had started. So I watched both but that's it. This is the same as with Good Luck Charlie. I only tuned back into Disney for that. So I wasn't a regular viewer again for either. But I was a big Nickelodeon fan! I had the orange vhs tapes, toys, video games etc. The only other channel I was really into at the time was MTV and it was half as much lol. Though I watched those few shows I was never a huge fan of Disney.


What's funny to me is that during the mid 2000s Nick was still decent with their live action sitcoms. Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, & Ned's Declassified.  As for Disney I liked their sitcoms up until around 2005 or so. Last show I remember liking being Suite Life of Zack and Cody.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Ripley on 12/27/16 at 11:48 am


What's funny to me is that during the mid 2000s Nick was still decent with their live action sitcoms. Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, & Ned's Declassified.  As for Disney I liked their sitcoms up until around 2005 or so. Last show I remember liking being Suite Life of Zack and Cody.

When they started playing Miley and then High School Musical, Grease knockoff, is when they took a nosedive imo.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Looney Toon on 12/27/16 at 12:13 pm


When they started playing Miley and then High School Musical, Grease knockoff, is when they took a nosedive imo.


Both of which was in 2006 (Gotta add to the list of "Why 2006 was a terrible year for pop culture"). It's also interesting to see how the direction Disney took with Hannah Montana has been carried over to a lot of the shows that aired afterwards. Most of their pre-2006 shows give off a different vibe/style from Hannah Montana and High School Musical (funny how they're both about teenagers who express themselves by singing teen-pop songs). Didn't care for sitcoms after 2006 to be honest when it comes to Disney at least. Maybe it's just because Disney was targeting a different audience which makes a lot of sense to me.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Ripley on 12/27/16 at 12:18 pm


Both of which was in 2006 (Gotta add to the list of "Why 2006 was a terrible year for pop culture"). It's also interesting to see how the direction Disney took with Hannah Montana has been carried over to a lot of the shows that aired afterwards. Most of their pre-2006 shows give off a different vibe/style from Hannah Montana and High School Musical (funny how they're both about teenagers who express themselves by singing teen-pop songs). Didn't care for sitcoms after 2006 to be honest when it comes to Disney at least. Maybe it's just because Disney was targeting a different audience which makes a lot of sense to me.

Sitcoms in general have stank since then. There have only been a select few.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/27/16 at 12:19 pm


I did however tune back in when Drake & Josh started in 2005. By then Zoey 101 had started. So I watched both but that's it. This is the same as with Good Luck Charlie. I only tuned back into Disney for that. So I wasn't a regular viewer again for either. But I was a big Nickelodeon fan! I had the orange vhs tapes, toys, video games etc. The only other channel I was really into at the time was MTV and it was half as much lol. Though I watched those few shows I was never a huge fan of Disney.


I only watched Nickelodeon for the cartoons and live-action shows that it had until the early 2010s. Drake and Josh was truly one of the greatest shows made by Nickelodeon though.


Both of which was in 2006 (Gotta add to the list of "Why 2006 was a terrible year for pop culture"). It's also interesting to see how the direction Disney took with Hannah Montana has been carried over to a lot of the shows that aired afterwards. Most of their pre-2006 shows give off a different vibe/style from Hannah Montana and High School Musical (funny how they're both about teenagers who express themselves by singing teen-pop songs). Didn't care for sitcoms after 2006 to be honest when it comes to Disney at least. Maybe it's just because Disney was targeting a different audience which makes a lot of sense to me.


lol

If that was a document on Google, then I would love to edit it and put in glorious pop culture references from 2006.  ;D

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/27/16 at 3:28 pm


I thought 2003 and 2004 were the overall peak years for me. Reruns of Bug Juice, Jett Jackson, Boy Meets World, Smart guy and Sister Sister. Even Stevens, Lizzie, Raven, Proud Family, Phil of the future, Dave the Barbarian, Kim Possible, etc.  Since I was a Zoog fan, it was the perfect mix of some zoog holdover shows and early modern era shows.
But, yeah for me that four year period of 2002-2005 was fanastic.


Yeah I agree with all of this, the 2002-2003 school year & 2003-2004 school year seemed to be the peak in quality for the network!



This is exactly how I feel about the station as well. I would not pick 2006 as a whole year, but I wouldn't mind picking the '05-'06 season though.



Yep 2006 was Disney channel's 1998 (for Nickelodeon), it was the transitional phase. The 2005-06' school year as a whole, was great though, the last good school year for the network. September-December 2005 we all know that period was still GOOD, January-March 2006 unfortunately had the premieres of High School Musical & Hannah Montana but overall the network was still solid, that pretty much remained the same from April-June 2006. Things didn't start to become noticeably bad until Disney began taking reruns of shows like Even Stevens, and ending shows like Phil of the Future in or around late 2006, aka the 06'-07' school year.



What's funny to me is that during the mid 2000s Nick was still decent with their live action sitcoms. Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, & Ned's Declassified.  As for Disney I liked their sitcoms up until around 2005 or so. Last show I remember liking being Suite Life of Zack and Cody.


THIS. Any live action show made after Zack and Cody never really appealed to me. Its not because I was outgrowing the network, because lets face it Disney Channel's main demographic are kids AND tweens and I was still within that demographic for a few more years, but I just didn't find the shows interesting. Most of them became too girly for my taste. Even the most girly DC shows in the early-mid 00's like Lizzie McGuire & Thats So Raven at least still had characters, themes, & adventures that boys could have been into as well. DC just seemed more inclusive pre 2006, for kids of all ages and both genders. After 2006, it has been targeting primarily just girls. Hence the creation of Disney XD, which in itself destroyed another childhood channel I watched religiously (and arguably more than DC) Toon Disney :\'(


Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/27/16 at 3:55 pm


Yep 2006 was Disney channel's 1998 (for Nickelodeon), it was the transitional phase. The 2005-06' school year as a whole, was great though, the last good school year for the network. September-December 2005 we all know that period was still GOOD, January-March 2006 unfortunately had the premieres of High School Musical & Hannah Montana but overall the network was still solid, that pretty much remained the same from April-June 2006. Things didn't start to become noticeably bad until Disney began taking reruns of shows like Even Stevens, and ending shows like Phil of the Future in or around late 2006, aka the 06'-07' school year.


I have to agree with this, simply because the Lilo and Stitch TV series ended during the 2005-06 school year. But even with that, I would've still watched something like That's So Raven, Brandy and Mr. Whiskers, and some other Disney shows. No matter if it's on Disney Channel or on Toon Disney.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 12/28/16 at 10:28 am


Yeah I agree with all of this, the 2002-2003 school year & 2003-2004 school year seemed to be the peak in quality for the network!


I'd still consider 2005 as a whole year as the peak of Disney Channel since it was the only year in Disney Channel's history all my favorite shows were active at once but at the same time the last year my strong disliked shows were not around, or the 2004-2005 season, but to each own. I could see 2003 being someone's favorite year for Disney Channel but it doesn't mean it was the peak. In 2003 That's So Raven was still new. Dave the Barbarian, Phil of the Future and Suite Life of Zack & Cody weren't around yet. Oh wait, I guess 2004 can be a peak year for Disney Channel too, but if I had to choose the peak years it's definitely between 2004 or 2005. Pixel Perfect, Stuck in the Suburbs, Kim Possible So the Drama, The Proud Family Movie, and Life Is Ruff were some BIG original movies from 2004 & 2005.

Edit: and while Sister Sister and Smart Guy reruns were very popular in the afternoons throughout 2003, those were NOT Disney Channel originals, so I can't count those. Lizzie McGuire still had new episodes in 2003, but again, Lizzie McGuire wasn't my favorite, I thought it was overrated. I prefer That's So Raven, Phil of the Future and Suite Life of Zack & Cody (seasons 1 & 2) any day. So there's that.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 12/28/16 at 10:31 am


I did however tune back in when Drake & Josh started in 2005. By then Zoey 101 had started. So I watched both but that's it. This is the same as with Good Luck Charlie. I only tuned back into Disney for that. So I wasn't a regular viewer again for either. But I was a big Nickelodeon fan! I had the orange vhs tapes, toys, video games etc. The only other channel I was really into at the time was MTV and it was half as much lol. Though I watched those few shows I was never a huge fan of Disney.


Drake & Josh started in the beginning of 2004, it was already in season 3 by 2005. Oh, and when I was in high school, Jersey Shore and Teen Wolf were the most talked about shows on MTV lol!

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Written By: mqg96 on 12/28/16 at 10:33 am


I thought 2003 and 2004 were the overall peak years for me. Reruns of Bug Juice, Jett Jackson, Boy Meets World, Smart guy and Sister Sister. Even Stevens, Lizzie, Raven, Proud Family, Phil of the future, Dave the Barbarian, Kim Possible, etc.  Since I was a Zoog fan, it was the perfect mix of some zoog holdover shows and early modern era shows.
But, yeah for me that four year period of 2002-2005 was fanastic.


Yeah, since you had a lot of Zoog Disney influence unlike me, I can understand your point of view completely.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/28/16 at 10:39 am


I'd still consider 2005 as a whole year as the peak of Disney Channel since it was the only year in Disney Channel's history all my favorite shows were active at once but at the same time the last year my strong disliked shows were not around, or the 2004-2005 season, but to each own. I could see 2003 being someone's favorite year for Disney Channel but it doesn't mean it was the peak. In 2003 That's So Raven was still new. Dave the Barbarian, Phil of the Future and Suite Life of Zack & Cody weren't around yet. Oh wait, I guess 2004 can be a peak year for Disney Channel too, but if I had to choose the peak years it's definitely between 2004 or 2005. Pixel Perfect, Stuck in the Suburbs, Kim Possible So the Drama, The Proud Family Movie, and Life Is Ruff were some BIG original movies from 2004 & 2005.


2004 to early 2006 were like the peak towards Disney Channel. Mid 2006 to early 2007 was a bit different, but some people could say that it was the transformation age for Disney Channel.

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Written By: 2001 on 12/28/16 at 10:42 am

My sister was watching this dude on YouTube compare "new" and "old" Disney stars, and how everything was better in the old days. He considered Hannah Montana and High School Musical as the golden age. Idk how old he was but he looked in his late teens at least.  ;D

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/28/16 at 10:49 am


My sister was watching this dude on YouTube compare "new" and "old" Disney stars, and how everything was better in the old days. He considered Hannah Montana and High School Musical as the golden age. Idk how old he was but he looked in his late teens at least.  ;D


Tell her that Disney Channel used to be better with Zack and Cody. At least in the United States.

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Written By: 2001 on 12/28/16 at 10:55 am


Tell her that Disney Channel used to be better with Zack and Cody. At least in the United States.


I was too old for that show.  :-\\ they used to watch it all the time and I found the humour a bit annoying/childish ;D

I found it lol
9-nKa7EO3Cg

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/28/16 at 11:10 am


I was too old for that show.  :-\\ they used to watch it all the time and I found the humour a bit annoying/childish ;D

I found it lol
9-nKa7EO3Cg


Ariana Grande used to be a Disney child actor?

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Written By: mqg96 on 12/28/16 at 12:54 pm


2004 to early 2006 were like the peak towards Disney Channel. Mid 2006 to early 2007 was a bit different, but some people could say that it was the transformation age for Disney Channel.


Early 2006 was definitely not part of the peak, that was the start of the decline. The peak ended in late 2005 IMO, when the Proud Family Movie ended the series and High School Musical trailers started showing.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/28/16 at 1:03 pm


Early 2006 was definitely not part of the peak, that was the start of the decline. The peak ended in late 2005 IMO, when the Proud Family Movie ended the series and High School Musical trailers started showing.


In my opinion, it was more towards 2006. Even though I favor Toon Disney, since I was only into their cartoon shows.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/28/16 at 6:46 pm

I prefer both as I watched their GAs during my childhood, and I agree that both networks had their own diversity, something that one unfortunately doesn't see at all today on neither channels.

Looking at their GAs, I find it weird how both networks had more LA shows than actual cartoons. Until 1999, Nick only had 9 nicktoons while DC had a few prior to Kim possible. By their SAs, they had explosions of cartoons where they became more important than the LA programs. Then by the BAs, they had reversed back to more LAs and less cartoons.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/28/16 at 8:27 pm


I prefer both as I watched their GAs during my childhood, and I agree that both networks had their own diversity, something that one unfortunately doesn't see at all today on neither channels.


I agree. But I think they don't have as much diversity because of how mobile streaming took over their industry. So I guess they just play it towards those who still have cable TV. Despite having cable TV subscribers as the majority, over 20% still doesn't want to have cable.

http://fortune.com/2016/04/05/household-cable-cord-cutters/


Looking at their GAs, I find it weird how both networks had more LA shows than actual cartoons. Until 1999, Nick only had 9 nicktoons while DC had a few prior to Kim possible. By their SAs, they had explosions of cartoons where they became more important than the LA programs. Then by the BAs, they had reversed back to more LAs and less cartoons.


Except Disney Channel was the opposite by the time they reached their silver age. Especially when most of their cartoons by 2006 usually aired on Toon Disney. Nickelodeon on the other hand seem to be dependent on Klasky Csupo until 2004. Aside from that, Nick's golden and silver ages aren't really that different cartoon-wise.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/28/16 at 8:49 pm


I agree. But I think they don't have as much diversity because of how mobile streaming took over their industry. So I guess they just play it towards those who still have cable TV. Despite having cable TV subscribers as the majority, over 20% still doesn't want to have cable.

http://fortune.com/2016/04/05/household-cable-cord-cutters/

Except Disney Channel was the opposite by the time they reached their silver age. Especially when most of their cartoons by 2006 usually aired on Toon Disney. Nickelodeon on the other hand seem to be dependent on Klasky Csupo until 2004. Aside from that, Nick's golden and silver ages aren't really that different cartoon-wise.
Yeah, that's true; however, I can see that changing one day when smartphones and tablets fizzle out in place for something else. By then, mobile streaming will be declining.

Now that I think about it, the widespread of cartoons for DC only lasted for 2 years considering most of them either had 1 or 2 seasons prior to the SA. As for Nick, you're right. The only ones that were not Klasky Csupo nicktoons were Hey Arnold, CatDog, Spongebob, FOP, Pelswick, Teenage Robot and JN.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/28/16 at 8:53 pm


I could see 2003 being someone's favorite year for Disney Channel but it doesn't mean it was the peak. In 2003 That's So Raven was still new. Dave the Barbarian, Phil of the Future and Suite Life of Zack & Cody weren't around yet.

I guess if you were more of a zoog fan, you'd think of 2003 as a peak year. Cause that year was fantastic!!! :D

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Written By: 2001 on 12/28/16 at 8:57 pm


Ariana Grande used to be a Disney child actor?


Yeah, she was on Victorious before she released an album.  She's my age so she was already an adult in the early 2010s, but she played a high schooler on the show iirc. The show was atrocious, it drove me up the wall. ;D

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/28/16 at 8:59 pm


Yeah, she was on Victorious before she released an album.  She's my age so she was already an adult in the early 2010s, but she played a high schooler on the show iirc. The show was atrocious, it drove me up the wall. ;D
But the show was on Nick.

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Written By: 2001 on 12/28/16 at 9:04 pm


But the show was on Nick.


Oh, whoops. Right. What's the difference nowadays tho 💅 (jk)

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/28/16 at 9:09 pm


Oh, whoops. Right. What's the difference nowadays tho 💅 (jk)
Have you seen her sequel? It only had one season.

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Written By: 2001 on 12/28/16 at 9:12 pm


Have you seen her sequel? It only had one season.


What was it called?

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/28/16 at 9:22 pm


What was it called?
Sam & Cat

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: 2001 on 12/28/16 at 9:25 pm


Sam & Cat


Oh yeah, I've definitely seen Sam on that show. I didn't know it was a different show ;D

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/28/16 at 9:38 pm


Yeah, that's true; however, I can see that changing one day when smartphones and tablets fizzle out in place for something else. By then, mobile streaming will be declining.


Even if mobile streaming is declining, we'll still have people using Netflix on their TVs.


Now that I think about it, the widespread of cartoons for DC only lasted for 2 years considering most of them either had 1 or 2 seasons prior to the SA. As for Nick, you're right. The only ones that were not Klasky Csupo nicktoons were Hey Arnold, CatDog, Spongebob, FOP, Pelswick, Teenage Robot and JN.


It could be for about a few years, but it wasn't as big as Nickelodeon's. Even though Nick wasn't really that diverse during their golden and silver ages, like you and I said. Disney Channel on the other hand already knew that they could air their cartoons on Toon Disney, so it wasn't a big deal back then.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/28/16 at 9:52 pm


Oh yeah, I've definitely seen Sam on that show. I didn't know it was a different show ;D
Yeah it didn't last long due to the main cast not getting along.


Even if mobile streaming is declining, we'll still have people using Netflix on their TVs.

It could be for about a few years, but it wasn't as big as Nickelodeon's. Even though Nick wasn't reallt that diverse during their golden and silver ages, like you and I said. Disney Channel on the other hand already knew that they could air their cartoons on Toon Disney, so it wasn't a big deal back then.
Well that will decline too. I can see VR most likely happening soon.

Yeah, the GA of Nick was mainly LA and game shows. As for the SA, yeah there was too many nicktoons from one company, and the fact that most of the shows really lasted for 2-3 years despite lingering on. DC though, most of the cartoons began after Kim Possible in 2004 and ended in 2006.

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Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 12/28/16 at 10:27 pm


My sister was watching this dude on YouTube compare "new" and "old" Disney stars, and how everything was better in the old days. He considered Hannah Montana and High School Musical as the golden age. Idk how old he was but he looked in his late teens at least.  ;D


I can only image what he would think if he saw this. :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50dE2NdWNXQ

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Written By: 2001 on 12/28/16 at 10:44 pm


I can only image what he would think if he saw this. :o



"Oh, mmm, uh huh, yeah, ok, uhh, oh! My Little Pony, I remember watching that! Good times, good times. Our childhood was the best." ;D

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/28/16 at 11:09 pm


I'd still consider 2005 as a whole year as the peak of Disney Channel since it was the only year in Disney Channel's history all my favorite shows were active at once but at the same time the last year my strong disliked shows were not around, or the 2004-2005 season, but to each own. I could see 2003 being someone's favorite year for Disney Channel but it doesn't mean it was the peak. In 2003 That's So Raven was still new. Dave the Barbarian, Phil of the Future and Suite Life of Zack & Cody weren't around yet. Oh wait, I guess 2004 can be a peak year for Disney Channel too, but if I had to choose the peak years it's definitely between 2004 or 2005. Pixel Perfect, Stuck in the Suburbs, Kim Possible So the Drama, The Proud Family Movie, and Life Is Ruff were some BIG original movies from 2004 & 2005.

Edit: and while Sister Sister and Smart Guy reruns were very popular in the afternoons throughout 2003, those were NOT Disney Channel originals, so I can't count those. Lizzie McGuire still had new episodes in 2003, but again, Lizzie McGuire wasn't my favorite, I thought it was overrated. I prefer That's So Raven, Phil of the Future and Suite Life of Zack & Cody (seasons 1 & 2) any day. So there's that.


I agree that the years 2004 & 2005 are some of my favorites on the network as well! Going over to my female's friends house from school to watch That's So Raven, Phil of the Future, Even Stevens, & 'Disney Channel Original Movies' are some of my most cherished memories :)

However, looking back at DC's history I'd have to agree with EazyMan that the 'peak' would be closer to around 2002 or 2003. I first discovered the channel in 2001 during its Zoog phase and in all honesty the channel had much better variety during its first half of the golden age rather than the second half, Playhouse Disney back then had better shows like Stanley, Vault Disney had classic Disney shorts, DCOMs from 1996-2003 were the best in Disney Channel's history ranging from gritty adventures like Motorcrossed & Luck of the Irish to feel good movies like Cadet Kelly & Johnny Tsunami, and even holiday favorites like Halloween Town & The Ultimate Christmas Present, etc.

However, I always found the live action shows from the second half like Raven, Phil, & Zack & Cody to be of better of quality than the shows from the first half (minus Lizzie McGuire, Even Stevens, & Famous Jett Jackson, most late 90's/early 00's live actions were pretty forgettable), plus you still had the ABC reruns of Boy Meets World & Smart Guy, and reruns of the 96/97'-03' era DCOMs on Friday nights.

Hence why as a good compromise I see the 2003-2004 school year as not only my personal favorite school year quality & variety wise, but its a good compromise between Zoog era & 'early' modern era Disney Channel. It had the elements of the Zoog Era with many late 90's/early 00's shows & movies still regularly being shown while still showcasing the newer early-mid 00's shows & movies, along with reruns of ABC syndicated shows & great mini blocks like Movie Surfers. 2003-2004 just makes the most sense IMO, as the peak in quality for Disney Channel. Similarly I'd place the 'peak' in quality for Nickelodeon during the 1995-1996 season.



I was too old for that show.  :-\\ they used to watch it all the time and I found the humour a bit annoying/childish ;D

I found it lol
9-nKa7EO3Cg


LOL. Yeah the first 3 shows he mentioned I cringed... other than that it was a decent video. Also, what's your opinion on the show Life With Derek. I used to watch it a bit back in 2005/6 on DC, but I found out recently that it wasn't a DC original but originally from the Family Channel in Canada.



I can only image what he would think if he saw this. :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50dE2NdWNXQ


LOL Good point! Its like the conversation we had the other day is that unfortunately little to no people acknowledge DC's pre 1997 existence :(

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/28/16 at 11:18 pm



However, looking back at DC's history I'd have to agree with EazyMan that the 'peak' would be closer to around 2002 or 2003. I first discovered the channel in 2001 during its Zoog phase and in all honesty the channel had much better variety during its first half of the golden age rather than the second half, Playhouse Disney back then had better shows like Stanley, Vault Disney had classic Disney shorts, DCOMs from 1996-2003 were the best in Disney Channel's history ranging from gritty adventures like Motorcrossed & Luck of the Irish to feel good movies like Cadet Kelly & Johnny Tsunami, and even holiday favorites like Halloween Town & The Ultimate Christmas Present, etc.
Hence why as a good compromise I see the 2003-2004 school year as not only my personal favorite school year quality & variety wise, but its a good compromise between Zoog era & 'early' modern era Disney Channel. It had the elements of the Zoog Era with many late 90's/early 00's shows & movies still regularly being shown while still showcasing the newer early-mid 00's shows & movies, along with reruns of ABC syndicated shows & great mini blocks like Movie Surfers. 2003-2004 just makes the most sense IMO, as the peak in quality for Disney Channel. Similarly I'd place the 'peak' in quality for Nickelodeon during the 1995-1996 season.

Yup, Yup all of this I agree with ALL THE WAY. 2003 and 2004 were to DC like 1995 and 1996 were to Nick that was the peak of their variety and diverse programming. You had a mix of Zoog and early modern era programming for DC and you had a mix of early 90s and mid 90s programming for Nick. 2005 for DC was like 1997 was for Nick the golden era was slowly ending, some long time shows ended(Proud Family & Kim Possible's original run) or new shows begun.(Zack and Cody, Life with Derek, Buzz on Maggie, Jake Long, ) Same goes for Nick;(Kablamm, Angry Beavers, Aah real Monsters, )
Oh and P.S. You can call me Eric! ;)

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 12/29/16 at 12:27 am

Hey Eazy, how do you feel about the point I made here?


Y'know, it's weird. People credit Anne Sweeney (former president of Disney Channel) with DC's decline starting in 2006, due to the oversaturation of teen pop stuff like Hannah Montana and High School Musical.

But the thing is... she became president of DC in 1996 and resigned in 2014, so she was ALSO responsible for the Even Stevens/Lizzie McGuire/That's So Raven era that people love so much! :o It makes you wonder what caused the shift.

A similar case happened with Michael Eisner (president of Disney from 1984 to 2005). From 1984 to 1999, he built Disney back to its former status with the Renaissance movies, but then, in 2000 to 2005, he brought them down with incredibly stupid decisions.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/29/16 at 12:37 am


Hey Eazy, how do you feel about the point I made here?


Still call me Eric bro! lol ;D


Anyways Michael Eisner's departure most likely had the BIG impact on DC. Notice how after that things took a pretty big turn with Pixar buying Disney, DC's programming started to decline soon after. Even thought it was regular Disney and not DC that he owned... :o

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Written By: Zelek3 on 12/29/16 at 6:05 am

ZeldaFan, Eric, what did you guys think of The Emperor's New School and The Replacements (shows from the so-called "silver age" of 2006-mid 2007)? Were they good or bad in your eyes?

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/29/16 at 9:36 am


Well that will decline too. I can see VR most likely happening soon.


But I don't think it would help the use of television at all. It would just make things seem like you need virtual reality in the near future, unless you have some sort of old device.


Yeah, the GA of Nick was mainly LA and game shows. As for the SA, yeah there was too many nicktoons from one company, and the fact that most of the shows really lasted for 2-3 years despite lingering on. DC though, most of the cartoons began after Kim Possible in 2004 and ended in 2006.


Most of the silver age Nicktoons were on until the late 2000s (in reruns). Some of them like the Fairy Odd Parents and Spongebob are still airing today, simply because of how profitable it was to Nickelodeon. Although, they're not as good as they used to be.


ZeldaFan, Eric, what did you guys think of The Emperor's New School and The Replacements (shows from the so-called "silver age" of 2006-mid 2007)? Were they good or bad in your eyes?


The Emperor's New School and The Replacements were okay, even though I never really saw their episodes.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/29/16 at 10:14 am


ZeldaFan, Eric, what did you guys think of The Emperor's New School and The Replacements (shows from the so-called "silver age" of 2006-mid 2007)? Were they good or bad in your eyes?


To be perfectly honest I really don't know, cause I've never really watched those shows before. I did like Phineas & Ferb though and that came out in 07' if I believe.

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Written By: 2001 on 12/29/16 at 10:52 am


To be perfectly honest I really don't know, cause I've never really watched those shows before. I did like Phineas & Ferb though and that came out in 07' if I believe.


That was my favourite Disney show of all time :D :D

It started airing in 2008. It's finale aired last year. Such a good show.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/29/16 at 10:55 am


That was my favourite Disney show of all time :D :D

It started airing in 2008. It's finale aired last year. Such a good show.


It actually started around 2007 in America.

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Written By: 2001 on 12/29/16 at 10:58 am


It actually started around 2007 in America.


The first episode premiered on August 2007, but the show itself didn't start until February 2008.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/29/16 at 11:03 am


The first episode premiered on August 2007, but the show itself didn't start until February 2008.


Well, you're right on that. But it also had another episode airing around September of 2007.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 12/29/16 at 12:58 pm

I just realized that I didn't actually answer the question posed by the OP. How rude of me! ;D

Anyways, I doubt my answer is going to come as much of a surprise to anyone. I'm a Golden Age Nick kid through and through. I mean, sure, '90s Nick has it's share of shows that haven't aged well (I'm looking at you My Brother and Me), but the great (Pete & Pete, Rocko's Modern Life, Doug, etc.) is all-time great and it FAR outweighs the bad.


I agree that the years 2004 & 2005 are some of my favorites on the network as well! Going over to my female's friends house from school to watch That's So Raven, Phil of the Future, Even Stevens, & 'Disney Channel Original Movies' are some of my most cherished memories :)

However, looking back at DC's history I'd have to agree with EazyMan that the 'peak' would be closer to around 2002 or 2003. I first discovered the channel in 2001 during its Zoog phase and in all honesty the channel had much better variety during its first half of the golden age rather than the second half, Playhouse Disney back then had better shows like Stanley, Vault Disney had classic Disney shorts, DCOMs from 1996-2003 were the best in Disney Channel's history ranging from gritty adventures like Motorcrossed & Luck of the Irish to feel good movies like Cadet Kelly & Johnny Tsunami, and even holiday favorites like Halloween Town & The Ultimate Christmas Present, etc.

However, I always found the live action shows from the second half like Raven, Phil, & Zack & Cody to be of better of quality than the shows from the first half (minus Lizzie McGuire, Even Stevens, & Famous Jett Jackson, most late 90's/early 00's live actions were pretty forgettable), plus you still had the ABC reruns of Boy Meets World & Smart Guy, and reruns of the 96/97'-03' era DCOMs on Friday nights.

Hence why as a good compromise I see the 2003-2004 school year as not only my personal favorite school year quality & variety wise, but its a good compromise between Zoog era & 'early' modern era Disney Channel. It had the elements of the Zoog Era with many late 90's/early 00's shows & movies still regularly being shown while still showcasing the newer early-mid 00's shows & movies, along with reruns of ABC syndicated shows & great mini blocks like Movie Surfers. 2003-2004 just makes the most sense IMO, as the peak in quality for Disney Channel. Similarly I'd place the 'peak' in quality for Nickelodeon during the 1995-1996 season.


Let me just say, as a person that didn't watch much Disney Channel after 2000, I mostly defer to the rest of you guys on this because you know far more about '00s Disney Channel than I do. Having said that, I think I could make an argument (from the point-of-view of a '90s kid) that the absolute peak of the Disney Channel was 1997-1999.

Again, I'm probably only saying this because the late '90s was my main era watching the channel (as I've said before we didn't get Disney on our cable package until 1996), but I do think there's an argument. 1998 in particular has always been a favorite Disney Channel year of mine with really kind of a perfect "blend" of programming. You still had your Disney Afternoon favorites (like Ducktales, Aladdin, etc.), old Disney classics (Ink and Paint Club, Mickey's Mouse Tracks, etc.), some of the new "Zoog era" shows (Bug Juice, Flash Forward, etc.), and some of the best Disney Original Movies (Brink! is probably my favorite DC movie of all-time).

To be clear, I'm not saying this as a knock against early-to-mid '00s Disney Channel. I haven't really watched much of the shows you guys are talking about so I can't really pass judgement on them anyway. I just thought it would be interesting to hear the opinion of others here about late '90s Disney Channel.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/29/16 at 2:00 pm


That was my favourite Disney show of all time :D :D

It started airing in 2008. It's finale aired last year. Such a good show.
Yeah, I agree! Although, I stopped watching DC way before this show premiered, I tuned in to watch it at times.


Again, I'm probably only saying this because the late '90s was my main era watching the channel (as I've said before we didn't get Disney on our cable package until 1996), but I do think there's an argument. 1998 in particular has always been a favorite Disney Channel year of mine with really kind of a perfect "blend" of programming. You still had your Disney Afternoon favorites (like Ducktales, Aladdin, etc.), old Disney classics (Ink and Paint Club, Mickey's Mouse Tracks, etc.), some of the new "Zoog era" shows (Bug Juice, Flash Forward, etc.), and some of the best Disney Original Movies (Brink! is probably my favorite DC movie of all-time).

To be clear, I'm not saying this as a knock against early-to-mid '00s Disney Channel. I haven't really watched much of the shows you guys are talking about so I can't really pass judgement on them anyway. I just thought it would be interesting to hear the opinion of others here about late '90s Disney Channel.
I see this puts me in the middle as I watched DC from the late 90s to early 00s. The entire 1st half of the GA had so much to offer that I couldn't just stay away.

Although, I stopped tuning in to DC after 2003, I watched the shows they were speaking about occasionally, and they were fantastic; however, most of them didn't last long and were over by 2006.


But I don't think it would help the use of television at all. It would just make things seem like you need virtual reality in the near future, unless you have some sort of old device.

Most of the silver age Nicktoons were on until the late 2000s (in reruns). Some of them like the Fairy Odd Parents and Spongebob are still airing today, simply because of how profitable it was to Nickelodeon. Although, they're not as good as they used to be.


Well, it could make a comeback. Other than the superhero TV shows and a few non-SH ones, the shows this decade honestly have been mediocre at best which is most likely why cable has been declining.

Yeah, pretty much. Those were the only two that spanned the entire era. The rest were either from Nick's GA or from the start of the SA and ended earlier than expected.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/29/16 at 2:09 pm


That was my favourite Disney show of all time :D :D

It started airing in 2008. It's finale aired last year. Such a good show.


I agree! It was pretty good show and definitely represents a good message. Its unfortunate because halfway through its original run DC gradually transferred it to Disney XD exclusively. So DC never really helped the show reach its full potential based on popularity & ratings. Another MAJOR complaint of mines with the network's marketing within the last 10 years >:(



I just realized that I didn't actually answer the question posed by the OP. How rude of me! ;D

Anyways, I doubt my answer is going to come as much of a surprise to anyone. I'm a Golden Age Nick kid through and through. I mean, sure, '90s Nick has it's share of shows that haven't aged well (I'm looking at you My Brother and Me), but the great (Pete & Pete, Rocko's Modern Life, Doug, etc.) is all-time great and it FAR outweighs the bad.

Let me just say, as a person that didn't watch much Disney Channel after 2000, I mostly defer to the rest of you guys on this because you know far more about '00s Disney Channel than I do. Having said that, I think I could make an argument (from the point-of-view of a '90s kid) that the absolute peak of the Disney Channel was 1997-1999.

Again, I'm probably only saying this because the late '90s was my main era watching the channel (as I've said before we didn't get Disney on our cable package until 1996), but I do think there's an argument. 1998 in particular has always been a favorite Disney Channel year of mine with really kind of a perfect "blend" of programming. You still had your Disney Afternoon favorites (like Ducktales, Aladdin, etc.), old Disney classics (Ink and Paint Club, Mickey's Mouse Tracks, etc.), some of the new "Zoog era" shows (Bug Juice, Flash Forward, etc.), and some of the best Disney Original Movies (Brink! is probably my favorite DC movie of all-time).

To be clear, I'm not saying this as a knock against early-to-mid '00s Disney Channel. I haven't really watched much of the shows you guys are talking about so I can't really pass judgement on them anyway. I just thought it would be interesting to hear the opinion of others here about late '90s Disney Channel.


Yeah its all relative based on when we grew up. However, as stated before I believe that the start of the the golden age was sometime around in 1997 with DC becoming a basic cable package. I'm fine with calling 1998 solidly golden age territory within DC's history, especially with Zoog Disney, Playhouse Disney, & Vault Disney being in their peak in popularity around this time. I also agree with you on the DCOMs, especially Johnny Tsunami which was one of my favorites as a kid, the DCOMs made in the late 90's & early 00's were the best in the channel's history. Also reruns of Disney Afternoon programming is another plus!

Overall The Zoog Era from 1997-2002 always seemed to be the better half of Disney's overall late 90's/early-mid 00's golden age, even though I may have preferred the shows from the 2002-2005/6 era better. Although I still think that the 2002-2003 & 2003-2004 school years were the peak in quality for the network, with its perfect blend of Zoog Disney & 'Early' Modern DC Era programming. Now if those school years had a little more animation, like what was going on during Toon Disney around that same time, then I wouldn't hesitate to call it the 'best' era for Disney Channel from an objective standpoint!



Yeah, I agree! Although, I stopped watching DC way before this show premiered, I tuned in to watch it at times.
I see this puts me in the middle as I watched DC from the late 90s to early 00s. The entire 1st half of the GA had so much to offer that I couldn't just stay away.

Although, I stopped tuning in to DC after 2003, I watched the shows they were speaking about occasionally, and they were fantastic; however, most of them didn't last long and were over by 2006.


Yeah since you was born in 1993 you caught the very tail end of Nick's golden age in 1998, but you primarily grew up during DC's golden age from 1998-2003 or so. You Lucky Bastard ;)

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 12/29/16 at 2:55 pm


It actually started around 2007 in America.


There were only two episodes of Phineas & Ferb that premiered in 2007, which were shown as specials. The series didn't officially begin premiering new episodes on a weekly basis until early 2008.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/29/16 at 3:06 pm


Yeah since you was born in 1993 you caught the very tail end of Nick's golden age in 1998, but you primarily grew up during DC's golden age from 1998-2003 or so. You Lucky Bastard ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's true, I did; however, due to being a Disney kid I actually started watching DC as soon as its GA began. As for Nick, it was much earlier than that due to that I also watched its Jr. version at that time, and by the afternoon, it would transition into the regular network. I recall these bumpers that played until the SA started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMhf9NCT6X4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIi5Ent2y6k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg_flvo_dRk

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 12/29/16 at 3:13 pm


I agree that the years 2004 & 2005 are some of my favorites on the network as well! Going over to my female's friends house from school to watch That's So Raven, Phil of the Future, Even Stevens, & 'Disney Channel Original Movies' are some of my most cherished memories :)

However, looking back at DC's history I'd have to agree with EazyMan that the 'peak' would be closer to around 2002 or 2003. I first discovered the channel in 2001 during its Zoog phase and in all honesty the channel had much better variety during its first half of the golden age rather than the second half, Playhouse Disney back then had better shows like Stanley, Vault Disney had classic Disney shorts, DCOMs from 1996-2003 were the best in Disney Channel's history ranging from gritty adventures like Motorcrossed & Luck of the Irish to feel good movies like Cadet Kelly & Johnny Tsunami, and even holiday favorites like Halloween Town & The Ultimate Christmas Present, etc.

However, I always found the live action shows from the second half like Raven, Phil, & Zack & Cody to be of better of quality than the shows from the first half (minus Lizzie McGuire, Even Stevens, & Famous Jett Jackson, most late 90's/early 00's live actions were pretty forgettable), plus you still had the ABC reruns of Boy Meets World & Smart Guy, and reruns of the 96/97'-03' era DCOMs on Friday nights.

Hence why as a good compromise I see the 2003-2004 school year as not only my personal favorite school year quality & variety wise, but its a good compromise between Zoog era & 'early' modern era Disney Channel. It had the elements of the Zoog Era with many late 90's/early 00's shows & movies still regularly being shown while still showcasing the newer early-mid 00's shows & movies, along with reruns of ABC syndicated shows & great mini blocks like Movie Surfers. 2003-2004 just makes the most sense IMO, as the peak in quality for Disney Channel. Similarly I'd place the 'peak' in quality for Nickelodeon during the 1995-1996 season.


See, I know we're still debating here!  ;D

When people think of the golden age Disney Channel shows. People think of the following. On the live-action side. Even Stevens, Lizzie McGuire, That's So Raven, Phil of the Future, and Suite Life of Zack & Cody. When it comes to animation. The Proud Family, Kim Possible, Lilo & Stitch: The Series, Dave the Barbarian, Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, and American Dragon Jake Long. The top 5 sitcoms that defined the golden age and the top 6 original animated shows that defined the golden age. This is what I get from most people who grew up as kids in the 2000's. Late 2001, 2002 & 2003 may have been the most balanced years when it came to a mixture of Zoog Disney stuff and early Disney Channel stuff, but the problem is that a lot of those major shows I mentioned weren't around yet, had just started, or had just gotten popular for the first time. Disney Channel didn't become basic cable nationwide until Zoog Disney ended in 2002, before then it was only available on digital cable. It was not as popular or common then. That's why I honestly think 2004 & 2005 were the peak years for Disney Channel, and That's So Raven was Disney Channel's biggest hit sitcom at the time, and to this day a lot of people still consider it as the best sitcom Disney Channel ever had, and That's So Raven's peak years were 2004 & 2005 too, since seasons 2 & 3 had the biggest ratings. While DCOM's from 1996-2003 were great, those were still reran a lot throughout the mid 2000's too, and 2004 & 2005 still had a lot of big ones like I already mentioned before, including Pixel Perfect, Life Is Ruff, Kim Possible: So the Drama, and The Proud Family Movie. So while I'm ok with you and Eric considering 2003 as the peak year for Disney Channel for y'all own personal reasons, it's hard for me to say that considering some of Disney Channel's most important shows weren't around yet or some were just getting started. Smart Guy, Sister Sister, and Boy Meets World, while they were great to watch on Disney Channel, those weren't original programming. Just like Braceface or House of Mouse not being original cartoons either despite being played on Disney Channel many times. Famous Jett Jackson was original but started and ended during the Zoog era. Oh, and BTW if I hadn't already told you, I watched a tiny bit of Zoog in 2001 & 2002, but started watching Disney Channel on a weekly basis in mid 2003. So I did experience the 2nd half of 2003 for Disney Channel. Playhouse Disney/Disney Junior is and has always been separate from Disney Channel, doesn't have anything to do with it. The peak years of Playhouse Disney for me were 1999 & 2000.... oops that's sure far away from 2004 and 2005  :o

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/29/16 at 3:37 pm


See, I know we're still debating here!  ;D

When people think of the golden age Disney Channel shows. People think of the following. On the live-action side. Even Stevens, Lizzie McGuire, That's So Raven, Phil of the Future, and Suite Life of Zack & Cody. When it comes to animation. The Proud Family, Kim Possible, Lilo & Stitch: The Series, Dave the Barbarian, Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, and American Dragon Jake Long. The top 5 sitcoms that defined the golden age and the top 6 original animated shows that defined the golden age. This is what I get from most people who grew up as kids in the 2000's. Late 2001, 2002 & 2003 may have been the most balanced years when it came to a mixture of Zoog Disney stuff and early Disney Channel stuff, but the problem is that a lot of those major shows I mentioned weren't around yet, had just started, or had just gotten popular for the first time. Disney Channel didn't become basic cable nationwide until Zoog Disney ended in 2002, before then it was only available on digital cable. It was not as popular or common then. That's why I honestly think 2004 & 2005 were the peak years for Disney Channel, and That's So Raven was Disney Channel's biggest hit sitcom at the time, and to this day a lot of people still consider it as the best sitcom Disney Channel ever had, and That's So Raven's peak years were 2004 & 2005 too, since seasons 2 & 3 had the biggest ratings. While DCOM's from 1996-2003 were great, those were still reran a lot throughout the mid 2000's too, and 2004 & 2005 still had a lot of big ones like I already mentioned before, including Pixel Perfect, Life Is Ruff, Kim Possible: So the Drama, and The Proud Family Movie. So while I'm ok with you and Eric considering 2003 as the peak year for Disney Channel for y'all own personal reasons, it's hard for me to say that considering some of Disney Channel's most important shows weren't around yet or some were just getting started. Smart Guy, Sister Sister, and Boy Meets World, while they were great to watch on Disney Channel, those weren't original programming. Just like Braceface or House of Mouse not being original cartoons either despite being played on Disney Channel many times. Famous Jett Jackson was original but started and ended during the Zoog era. Oh, and BTW if I hadn't already told you, I watched a tiny bit of Zoog in 2001 & 2002, but started watching Disney Channel on a weekly basis in mid 2003. So I did experience the 2nd half of 2003 for Disney Channel. Playhouse Disney/Disney Junior is and has always been separate from Disney Channel, doesn't have anything to do with it. The peak years of Playhouse Disney for me were 1999 & 2000.... oops that's sure far away from 2004 and 2005  :o
Whoa! :o

You mean that I watched DC long before it peaked? That's amazing!

Furthermore, if DC wasn't nationwide until late 2002, that means the 1997-02 era can't be truly part of the golden age if it was less known.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: 2001 on 12/29/16 at 4:14 pm

Wait, Aladdin and Ducktales were a part of Disney Channel? I thought they weren't exclusive to cable :o Aladdin was GOAT! 

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/29/16 at 4:49 pm


To be clear, I'm not saying this as a knock against early-to-mid '00s Disney Channel. I haven't really watched much of the shows you guys are talking about so I can't really pass judgement on them anyway. I just thought it would be interesting to hear the opinion of others here about late '90s Disney Channel.


Since I was born in the late 90s, I never really had an opinion towards Disney Channel during the 20th century. But since I watched it around 2004-2007, I could tell that it was okay. Even though I was more invested towards the cartoons, which led me into watching Toon Disney more.


Wait, Aladdin and Ducktales were a part of Disney Channel? I thought they weren't exclusive to cable :o Aladdin was GOAT! 


Well technically, it laid out as a TV spinoff on Toon Disney, which was a sister channel to Disney Channel at the time.


Well, it could make a comeback. Other than the superhero TV shows and a few non-SH ones, the shows this decade honestly have been mediocre at best which is most likely why cable has been declining.


I think having superhero shows in other channels aside from The CW doesn't really help it. We should at least bring in a diverse set of genres, so we could actually have a good set of shows.


Yeah, pretty much. Those were the only two that spanned the entire era. The rest were either from Nick's GA or from the start of the SA and ended earlier than expected.


Yeah. Nick's golden and silver ages weren't really that noble, at least for the cartoons. The live action shows on the other hand were more popular, from what I saw. At least half of them like Clarissa Explains It All, Kenan & Kel, and even Nick News was worth watching more than the Nicktoons. Disney had a lot of great cartoons on television, especially during the early and mid 2000s.


Playhouse Disney/Disney Junior is and has always been separate from Disney Channel, doesn't have anything to do with it. The peak years of Playhouse Disney for me were 1999 & 2000.... oops that's sure far away from 2004 and 2005  :o


Playhouse Disney was never really worth watching for a long time. I know I did watch it during the early-mid 2000s, but it was pales in comparison with Nick Jr and PBS Kids. The only ones that I know that are interesting were Rollie Pollie Olie, Bear in the Big Blue House, and Stanley. The other ones don't seem to age well, even if I haven't seen them for years.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 12/29/16 at 6:45 pm


Whoa! :o

You mean that I watched DC long before it peaked? That's amazing!

Furthermore, if DC wasn't nationwide until late 2002, that means the 1997-02 era can't be truly part of the golden age if it was less known.


Disney Channel has always been nationwide since the channel launched in 1983, but it was only premium during the time and during the Vault/Zoog era it was only available on digital cable as it was just becoming more noticeable in several people's homes. Late 2002 is when Disney Channel became available on basic cable like Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network.

Even this article right here will tell you that 1997-2002 was the popularity beginnings, 2002-2007 (2002-2005 really) was the peak, and 2007-2013 was the big ratings (in an evil way). >>>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Disney_Channel

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/29/16 at 7:26 pm


ZeldaFan, Eric, what did you guys think of The Emperor's New School and The Replacements (shows from the so-called "silver age" of 2006-mid 2007)? Were they good or bad in your eyes?

Emperors was okay. Replacements on the other hand, I thought SUCKED! I was already losing interest when fall of 2006 arrived.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/29/16 at 7:40 pm


See, I know we're still debating here!  ;D

When people think of the golden age Disney Channel shows. People think of the following. On the live-action side. Even Stevens, Lizzie McGuire, That's So Raven, Phil of the Future, and Suite Life of Zack & Cody. When it comes to animation. The Proud Family, Kim Possible, Lilo & Stitch: The Series, Dave the Barbarian, Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, and American Dragon Jake Long. The top 5 sitcoms that defined the golden age and the top 6 original animated shows that defined the golden age. This is what I get from most people who grew up as kids in the 2000's. Late 2001, 2002 & 2003 may have been the most balanced years when it came to a mixture of Zoog Disney stuff and early Disney Channel stuff, but the problem is that a lot of those major shows I mentioned weren't around yet, had just started, or had just gotten popular for the first time. Disney Channel didn't become basic cable nationwide until Zoog Disney ended in 2002, before then it was only available on digital cable. It was not as popular or common then. That's why I honestly think 2004 & 2005 were the peak years for Disney Channel, and That's So Raven was Disney Channel's biggest hit sitcom at the time, and to this day a lot of people still consider it as the best sitcom Disney Channel ever had, and That's So Raven's peak years were 2004 & 2005 too, since seasons 2 & 3 had the biggest ratings. While DCOM's from 1996-2003 were great, those were still reran a lot throughout the mid 2000's too, and 2004 & 2005 still had a lot of big ones like I already mentioned before, including Pixel Perfect, Life Is Ruff, Kim Possible: So the Drama, and The Proud Family Movie. So while I'm ok with you and Eric considering 2003 as the peak year for Disney Channel for y'all own personal reasons, it's hard for me to say that considering some of Disney Channel's most important shows weren't around yet or some were just getting started. Smart Guy, Sister Sister, and Boy Meets World, while they were great to watch on Disney Channel, those weren't original programming. Just like Braceface or House of Mouse not being original cartoons either despite being played on Disney Channel many times. Famous Jett Jackson was original but started and ended during the Zoog era. Oh, and BTW if I hadn't already told you, I watched a tiny bit of Zoog in 2001 & 2002, but started watching Disney Channel on a weekly basis in mid 2003. So I did experience the 2nd half of 2003 for Disney Channel. Playhouse Disney/Disney Junior is and has always been separate from Disney Channel, doesn't have anything to do with it. The peak years of Playhouse Disney for me were 1999 & 2000.... oops that's sure far away from 2004 and 2005  :o

I wonder how you felt about my earlier post about this debate... You should read it if you already haven't.
Anyways, you are correct. DC was a premium channel during the Zoog era. Which is why you'd don't consider it the golden age. That's a great point. :)

2004 was WITHOUT QUESTION a peak year for the network. But 2005... is kinda debatable tho. :o Like I said in my earlier post,  It's kinda like 1997 Nick. Both were at the tail end of their runs. Jake Long, Zack and Cody, maybe golden age D.C. Shows they are also apart of the silver age as well. Just like Kablamm and Angry Beavers are hybrids of the golden and silver age Nick.  ;)

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 12/29/16 at 8:11 pm


I wonder how you felt about my earlier post about this debate... You should read it if you already haven't.
Anyways, you are correct. DC was a premium channel during the Zoog era. Which is why you'd don't consider it the golden age. That's a great point. :)

2004 was WITHOUT QUESTION a peak year for the network. But 2005... is kinda debatable tho. :o Like I said in my earlier post,  It's kinda like 1997 Nick. Both were at the tail end of their runs. Jake Long, Zack and Cody, maybe golden age D.C. Shows they are also apart of the silver age as well. Just like Kablamm and Angry Beavers are hybrids of the golden and silver age Nick.  ;)


I guess we can ALL agree that 2004 was the peak year for Disney Channel then. If not, then what else?

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/29/16 at 9:31 pm


I wonder how you felt about my earlier post about this debate... You should read it if you already haven't.
Anyways, you are correct. DC was a premium channel during the Zoog era. Which is why you'd don't consider it the golden age. That's a great point. :)

2004 was WITHOUT QUESTION a peak year for the network. But 2005... is kinda debatable tho. :o Like I said in my earlier post,  It's kinda like 1997 Nick. Both were at the tail end of their runs. Jake Long, Zack and Cody, maybe golden age D.C. Shows they are also apart of the silver age as well. Just like Kablamm and Angry Beavers are hybrids of the golden and silver age Nick.  ;)


I guess we can ALL agree that 2004 was the peak year for Disney Channel then. If not, then what else?


I guess we can all agree that the 2003-2004 school year was the pinnacle for Modern (post 1997) Disney Channel 8)

This commercial break from May 2004 is a perfect example of this

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Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/29/16 at 9:50 pm


I think having superhero shows in other channels aside from The CW doesn't really help it. We should at least bring in a diverse set of genres, so we could actually have a good set of shows.

Yeah. Nick's golden and silver ages weren't really that noble, at least for the cartoons. The live action shows on the other hand were more popular, from what I saw. At least half of them like Clarissa Explains It All, Kenan & Kel, and even Nick News was worth watching more than the Nicktoons. Disney had a lot of great cartoons on television, especially during the early and mid 2000s.
I agree! Hopefully by the next decade, the diversity of tv shows return.

Well said! In fact, it was everything that along with the few nicktoons that made the network a GA during the 90s because there was so much to watch. Even by the SA, game shows and Nick News had fizzled out. I don't remember seeing them much after 2000. That's also when the nicktoons themselves made up for it thanks to the expansion throughout the era.


Disney Channel has always been nationwide since the channel launched in 1983, but it was only premium during the time and during the Vault/Zoog era it was only available on digital cable as it was just becoming more noticeable in several people's homes. Late 2002 is when Disney Channel became available on basic cable like Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network.

Even this article right here will tell you that 1997-2002 was the popularity beginnings, 2002-2007 (2002-2005 really) was the peak, and 2007-2013 was the big ratings (in an evil way). >>>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Disney_Channel
Well it's good that I started watching the channel as soon as the GA began. I can't believe I missed out on much of the peak despite that I watched it occasionally by 2003.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but do you find it weird there were no DC original cartoons prior to Proud Family and Kim Possible?

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 12/29/16 at 10:04 pm


Yeah its all relative based on when we grew up. However, as stated before I believe that the start of the the golden age was sometime around in 1997 with DC becoming a basic cable package. I'm fine with calling 1998 solidly golden age territory within DC's history, especially with Zoog Disney, Playhouse Disney, & Vault Disney being in their peak in popularity around this time. I also agree with you on the DCOMs, especially Johnny Tsunami which was one of my favorites as a kid, the DCOMs made in the late 90's & early 00's were the best in the channel's history. Also reruns of Disney Afternoon programming is another plus!


It's always nice to meet another Johnny Tsunami fan! That was always my second favorite DCOM behind Brink!. I think that Johnny Tsunami always resonated with me because I was basically the exact same age as Johnny (11-12 in 1999), and he (at least at the beginning of the movie before he moved to Vermont) lived what seemed like a dream life to a kid growing up in rural Georgia like me. That movie made me want to learn how to surf, but needless to say that's kinda hard when the nearest beach to you is hundreds of miles away. ;D


Wait, Aladdin and Ducktales were a part of Disney Channel? I thought they weren't exclusive to cable :o Aladdin was GOAT! 


Disney Renaissance era cartoons like Ducktales, Darkwing Duck, Aladdin, etc. did air on the Disney Channel in reruns throughout the '90s and perhaps even into the very early '00s. That's in addition to The Disney Afternoon, which was syndicated nationally up until the late '90s, and other broadcast channels that would randomly show stuff like Chip 'n Dale and Adventures of the Gummi Bears in morning blocks before school.

Basically, these shows were absolutely everywhere back then. Yet another reason why I miss the '90s. 8)

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/29/16 at 10:05 pm




Even by the SA, game shows and Nick News had fizzled out.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but do you find it weird there were no DC original cartoons prior to Proud Family and Kim Possible?

You still had Nick News with Linda Elirbee during the Bronze Age/teen nick era.


yeah , it is strange you had no original cartoons outside of Playhouse Disney. ??? :o

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/29/16 at 10:21 pm


I wonder how you felt about my earlier post about this debate... You should read it if you already haven't.
Anyways, you are correct. DC was a premium channel during the Zoog era. Which is why you'd don't consider it the golden age. That's a great point. :)

2004 was WITHOUT QUESTION a peak year for the network. But 2005... is kinda debatable tho. :o Like I said in my earlier post,  It's kinda like 1997 Nick. Both were at the tail end of their runs. Jake Long, Zack and Cody, maybe golden age D.C. Shows they are also apart of the silver age as well. Just like Kablamm and Angry Beavers are hybrids of the golden and silver age Nick.  ;)


Frankly, 2005 is part of the golden age in Disney Channel. Like what mqg96 said, it was the year before High School Musical and Hannah Montana premiered and most of their golden age cartoons still aired on the main channel. After 2005, most of their cartoons were already airing on Toon Disney (and Jetix), which already gave out the downfall of DC's golden age. Although early-mid 2006 was part of the golden age with Lilo and Stitch, Brandy and Mr. Whiskers, and The Buzz on Maggie ending at the time.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 12/29/16 at 10:28 pm


You still had Nick News with Linda Elirbee during the Bronze Age/teen nick era.


yeah , it is strange you had no original cartoons outside of Playhouse Disney. ??? :o


Disney Channel only aired cartoons from Disney Afternoon or syndication prior to that time. Disney's Doug and Pepper Ann reruns were on Zoog throughout the 2001-02 season which were the first One Saturday Morning cartoons that reran on Disney Channel.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/29/16 at 10:35 pm




yeah , it is strange you had no original cartoons outside of Playhouse Disney. ??? :o


Playhouse Disney barely had any cartoons by the late 90s and early 2000s though.


I agree! Hopefully by the next decade, the diversity of tv shows return.


Maybe they could, since over 80% of Americans still have cable subscriptions. So it's not that bad.l


I'm not sure if you're aware, but do you find it weird there were no DC original cartoons prior to Proud Family and Kim Possible?


Well, they already had Toon Disney by the late 90s. Despite that it took them 15 years after Disney Channel's launch, but it didn't matter towards non-premium cable subscribers.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/29/16 at 10:40 pm


Frankly, 2005 is part of the golden age in Disney Channel. Like what mqg96 said, it was the year before High School Musical and Hannah Montana premiered and most of their golden age cartoons still aired on the main channel. After 2005, most of their cartoons were already airing on Toon Disney (and Jetix), which already gave out the downfall of DC's golden age. Although early-mid 2006 was part of the golden age with Lilo and Stitch, Brandy and Mr. Whiskers, and The Buzz on Maggie ending at the time.

Sigh... I NEVER said it wasn't apart of the golden age, boy. :-X ;D I said that I don't view it as the peak of the network, a BIG difference. lol XD

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/29/16 at 10:47 pm


Although early-mid 2006 was part of the golden age with Lilo and Stitch, Brandy and Mr. Whiskers, and The Buzz on Maggie ending at the time.

It can be debated, but Golden age still ended in 2005 for me. Early-mid 2006 was simply a transitional period for The network. Transitioning from golden age to silver.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/29/16 at 10:48 pm


It's always nice to meet another Johnny Tsunami fan! That was always my second favorite DCOM behind Brink!. I think that Johnny Tsunami always resonated with me because I was basically the exact same age as Johnny (11-12 in 1999), and he (at least at the beginning of the movie before he moved to Vermont) lived what seemed like a dream life to a kid growing up in rural Georgia like me. That movie made me want to learn how to surf, but needless to say that's kinda hard when the nearest beach to you is hundreds of miles away. ;D

Disney Renaissance era cartoons like Ducktales, Darkwing Duck, Aladdin, etc. did air on the Disney Channel in reruns throughout the '90s and perhaps even into the very early '00s. That's in addition to The Disney Afternoon, which was syndicated nationally up until the late '90s, and other broadcast channels that would randomly show stuff like Chip 'n Dale and Adventures of the Gummi Bears in morning blocks before school.

Basically, these shows were absolutely everywhere back then. Yet another reason why I miss the '90s. 8)
Same here especially with the 1996-03 DCOMs. Those ones are classics. It sucks how they don't come on unless it's a special occasion. I wouldn't mind seeing them again.

Oh I remember them very well being played on DC. You won't believe how many times I caught most of them in the morning before I headed to school.


You still had Nick News with Linda Elirbee during the Bronze Age/teen nick era.


yeah , it is strange you had no original cartoons outside of Playhouse Disney. ??? :o
Oh I understand, but what I meant by that is that it wasn't shown as much anymore. I didn't see anymore previews of Nick news after 2000. It seems it was moved to another channel to finish off the series.

I know man. All cartoons that were on DC before TPF and KP were either from the Disney Afternoon, Toon Disney or D1SM blocks. However, most were awesome! 8)


Playhouse Disney barely had any cartoons by the late 90s and early 2000s though.

Maybe they could, since over 80% of Americans still have cable subscriptions. So it's not that bad.l

Well, they already had Toon Disney by the late 90s. Despite that it took them 15 years after Disney Channel's launch, but it didn't matter towards non-premium cable subscribers.
Huh? ???

PD did have cartoons during that period such as PB&J Otter, RPO, Stanley etc.

Yep, yep, yep.

Right, but on DC alone, there were NO original cartoons before TPF and KP. All of them were reruns from other networks/blocks.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/29/16 at 10:50 pm



Oh I understand, but what I meant by that is that it wasn't shown as much anymore. I didn't see anymore previews of Nick news after 2000. It seems it was moved to another channel to finish off the series.

Strange...
I distinctly remember new episodes airing on Sunday nights during the 2005-2006 season.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/29/16 at 10:51 pm


Sigh... I NEVER said it wasn't apart of the golden age, boy. :-X ;D I said that I don't view it as the peak of the network, a BIG difference. lol XD


lol

I didn't really thought it peaked out throughout 2002-2004. Although 2005 seems like a golden age year, while 2006 is debatable.


It can be debated, but Golden age still ended in 2005 for me. Early-mid 2006 was simply a transitional period for The network. Transitioning from golden age to silver.


Yeah, early and mid 2006 was rather transitional. I don't really consider it as a full golden age year, since most of their early-mid 2000s shows already ended at that time.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/29/16 at 10:53 pm


Strange...
I distinctly remember new episodes airing on Sunday nights during the 2005-2006 season.
Really? I watched Nick during that time and I truly don't recall Nick News. Maybe it ran later episodes at a special time.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/29/16 at 10:55 pm


PD did have cartoons during that period such as PB&J Otter, RPO, Stanley etc.


Although, they weren't as influential as PBS Kids nor Nick Jr, to be honest. They only aired on Playhouse Disney until 2005 or 2006, while they were replaced by Little Einsteins and Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. It depends on people who remember those shows, since I never really liked Playhouse Disney's programming as much as any other TV block.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/29/16 at 10:56 pm


Really? I watched Nick during that time and I truly don't recall Nick News. Maybe it ran later episodes at a special time.

It was at 8:00 central time, I think

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/29/16 at 10:58 pm


lol

I didn't really thought it peaked out throughout 2002-2004. Although 2005 seems like a golden age year, while 2006 is debatable.



Oh my lord, 2005 is a golden age year, there IS NO debate. I just didn't think it was at its all time peak like 2003 or 2004. lol XD.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/29/16 at 11:04 pm


Although, they weren't as influential as PBS Kids nor Nick Jr, to be honest. They only aired on Playhouse Disney until 2005 or 2006, while they were replaced by Little Einsteins and Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. It depends on people who remember those shows, since I never really liked Playhouse Disney's programming as much as any other TV block.
Oh, well that's understandable. I agree, they are mainly forgotten in time unless those who watched the shows on that block remember them.

When I was watching 90s kid surveys a few years back, no one (even the girls) mentioned any of the PD cartoons except for RPO. It was always either BITBBH or OOTB.


It was at 8:00 central time, I think
Oh well that's 9:00 here in Pacific time. That's probably why I didn't see it during that period because I might have been watching CN by the time it was on at night.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/29/16 at 11:14 pm


Oh my lord, 2005 is a golden age year, there IS NO debate. I just didn't think it was at its all time peak like 2003 or 2004. lol XD.


Well okay. I could definitely agree with you on that. I remember Disney Channel being so vibrant by late 2004 and 2005.


Really? I watched Nick during that time and I truly don't recall Nick News. Maybe it ran later episodes at a special time.


It aired rarely, around the time when Nick at Nite started its block.


Oh, well that's understandable. I agree, they are mainly forgotten in time unless those who watched the shows on that block remember them.


Playhouse Disney never really seem to make it towards the big leagues to me, unlike Disney Channel and Toon Disney. Unless it was something like Bear in the Big Blue House, Stanley, or Rollie Polie Olie. But something from PBS Kids or Nick Jr at the time could be better and more recognizable.

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Written By: 2001 on 12/29/16 at 11:27 pm


It's always nice to meet another Johnny Tsunami fan! That was always my second favorite DCOM behind Brink!. I think that Johnny Tsunami always resonated with me because I was basically the exact same age as Johnny (11-12 in 1999), and he (at least at the beginning of the movie before he moved to Vermont) lived what seemed like a dream life to a kid growing up in rural Georgia like me. That movie made me want to learn how to surf, but needless to say that's kinda hard when the nearest beach to you is hundreds of miles away. ;D

Disney Renaissance era cartoons like Ducktales, Darkwing Duck, Aladdin, etc. did air on the Disney Channel in reruns throughout the '90s and perhaps even into the very early '00s. That's in addition to The Disney Afternoon, which was syndicated nationally up until the late '90s, and other broadcast channels that would randomly show stuff like Chip 'n Dale and Adventures of the Gummi Bears in morning blocks before school.

Basically, these shows were absolutely everywhere back then. Yet another reason why I miss the '90s. 8)


Oh Snap! I didn't know that. I thought it was a sitcom channel ;D

Looking up the Wikipedia page, I actually watched a lot of these shows :o Some on VHS and some on Family (which I got in '97).

*DuckTales (1987-1990)
*The New Adventures of Winnie The Pooh (1988-1991)
*Goof Troop (1992-1993)
*The Little Mermaid (1992-1994)
*Aladdin (1994-1995)
*The Lion King's Timon & Pumba (1995-1999)
*Recess (1997-2003)
*Hercules (1998-1999)
*The Weekenders (1999-2004)
*Mickey Mouse Works (1999-2000)
*Buzz Lightyear of Star Command (2000-2002)
*House of Mouse (2001-2003)
*Kim Possible (2002-2005)

Based on this, and being a bigger fan of animation rather than sitcoms, I'd have to say my favourite era (Golden Age?) of Disney Channel would be 1994-2000. :D

I want to include 2001-2003 as well because I really loved House of Mouse and the fond memories of watching it before school every morning, but there were a lot of shows airing on the channel by then that I didn't really get into :(

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/29/16 at 11:49 pm


Oh Snap! I didn't know that. I thought it was a sitcom channel ;D

Looking up the Wikipedia page, I actually watched a lot of these shows :o Some on VHS and some on Family (which I got in '97).

*DuckTales (1987-1990)
*The New Adventures of Winnie The Pooh (1988-1991)
*Goof Troop (1992-1993)
*The Little Mermaid (1992-1994)
*Aladdin (1994-1995)
*The Lion King's Timon & Pumba (1995-1999)
*Recess (1997-2003)
*Hercules (1998-1999)
*The Weekenders (1999-2004)
*Mickey Mouse Works (1999-2000)
*Buzz Lightyear of Star Command (2000-2002)
*House of Mouse (2001-2003)
*Kim Possible (2002-2005)

Based on this, and being a bigger fan of animation rather than sitcoms, I'd have to say my favourite era (Golden Age?) of Disney Channel would be 1994-2000. :D

I want to include 2001-2003 as well because I really loved House of Mouse and the fond memories of watching it before school every morning, but there were a lot of shows airing on the channel by then that I didn't really get into :(


Was your country fortunate enough to have Toon Disney? Because in the early 00's if you wanted the closest experience in old school Disney Channel, than that channel would've been right up your alley!

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/30/16 at 9:08 am


Was your country fortunate enough to have Toon Disney? Because in the early 00's if you wanted the closest experience in old school Disney Channel, than that channel would've been right up your alley!


Canada didn't have Disney XD (which was the successor of Toon Disney) until 2015. So I guess they had to deal with syndication until then.

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Written By: 2001 on 01/01/17 at 11:29 am


Canada didn't have Disney XD (which was the successor of Toon Disney) until 2015. So I guess they had to deal with syndication until then.


We got Disney XD in 2011/2012 or around then. I remember watching Phineas and Ferb on it.

No Toon Disney. We had Family and Teletoons airing Disney stuff all the time though. Teletoons especially is still a pretty awesome channel, always airing the Disney, WB and Hannah Barbara classics :D

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/01/17 at 11:34 am


No Toon Disney. We had Family and Teletoons airing Disney stuff all the time though. Teletoons especially is still a pretty awesome channel, always airing the Disney, WB and Hannah Barbara classics :D


Yeah, that's what I meant from the Disney XD part. Although, Canada had a lot of channels that aired Disney cartoons. Especially The Family Channel.

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Written By: Zelek3 on 01/06/17 at 8:43 am

We all know Spongebob was better pre-movie, but when did you guys first sense the show was going downhill?

For me, it was when...THIS happened! :o

http://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/co/image/1482/02/1482027435355.png

Soon enough, we got other similar hated scenes/episodes, like the infamous toenail one and the splinter one.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/06/17 at 10:16 am


We all know Spongebob was better pre-movie, but when did you guys first sense the show was going downhill?

For me, it was when...THIS happened! :o

http://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/co/image/1482/02/1482027435355.png

Soon enough, we got other similar hated scenes/episodes, like the infamous toenail one and the splinter one.


Spongebob went downhill when Season 6 began. Season 5 was like a mixed bag, but Seasons 1-4 were the best in my opinion.

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Written By: 2001 on 01/06/17 at 10:24 am


We all know Spongebob was better pre-movie, but when did you guys first sense the show was going downhill?

For me, it was when...THIS happened! :o

http://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/co/image/1482/02/1482027435355.png

Soon enough, we got other similar hated scenes/episodes, like the infamous toenail one and the splinter one.


Which episode is that :o

I stopped watching Spongebob (and most cartoons in general) around mid-late 2004. My childhood is pure. I liked every Spongebob I watched  :D

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Written By: Zelek3 on 01/06/17 at 10:27 am


Which episode is that :o

I stopped watching Spongebob (and most cartoons in general) around mid-late 2004. My childhood is pure. I liked every Spongebob I watched  :D

An episode after 2004

It's a good thing you never saw the post-2004 episodes, they would probably taint your opinion of the whole show. They're akin to the Simpsons after season 9, or Dexter after season 4.

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Written By: 80sfan on 01/06/17 at 10:37 am

Spongebob is pretty entertaining.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/06/17 at 11:34 am


We got Disney XD in 2011/2012 or around then. I remember watching Phineas and Ferb on it.

No Toon Disney. We had Family and Teletoons airing Disney stuff all the time though. Teletoons especially is still a pretty awesome channel, always airing the Disney, WB and Hannah Barbara classics :D


DAMN thats pretty bizarre hearing that they aired two rivals in animation in conjunction with each other :o



We all know Spongebob was better pre-movie, but when did you guys first sense the show was going downhill?

For me, it was when...THIS happened! :o

http://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/co/image/1482/02/1482027435355.png

Soon enough, we got other similar hated scenes/episodes, like the infamous toenail one and the splinter one.



I agree! I remember seeing that episode and thinking 'What the f*ck am I watching!?'. Which episode and season is that from btw?




Spongebob went downhill when Season 6 began. Season 5 was like a mixed bag, but Seasons 1-4 were the best in my opinion.


I'd make that strictly seasons 1-3. Season 4 was produced & aired after the first movie and it was when the show started to go downhill. There were a few decent to good episodes on season 4 though, but it was a certain noticeable decline in quality. Hence why I probably wouldn't lump with seasons 5 & after which are garbage, but not with the classic 1st 3 seasons either, it was transitional. I think Pieguyrulez (whos a massive Spongebob fan on Youtube) does a pretty good analysis on each season and episode, I'll show the 1st 4 season reviews so you could get a good picture:

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An episode after 2004

It's a good thing you never saw the post-2004 episodes, they would probably taint your opinion of the whole show. They're akin to the Simpsons after season 9, or Dexter after season 4.


I agree! Another thing to is that I noticed that you mentioned in another thread that Family Guy started to jump the shark when it was revived in 2005 (after being cancelled in 2003). I always found that strangely ironic how both shows began in 1999 (FG in January if I believe and SB in May) and both cancelled around 2003/4. Their classic episodes were during their first 3 seasons, but their crappy episodes were during their revival seasons (both since 2005).

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Written By: Zelek3 on 01/06/17 at 11:37 am


I agree! I remember seeing that episode and thinking 'What the f*ck am I watching!?'. Which episode and season is that from btw?

Season 4

And I'll tell you what you're watching... you're watching these characters having a sevensome and experiencing pure pleasure.

Oooo, I'm awful.

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Written By: Zelek3 on 01/06/17 at 12:04 pm


I agree! Another thing to is that I noticed that you mentioned in another thread that Family Guy started to jump the shark when it was revived in 2005 (after being cancelled in 2003). I always found that strangely ironic how both shows began in 1999 (FG in January if I believe and SB in May) and both cancelled around 2003/4. Their classic episodes were during their first 3 seasons, but their crappy episodes were during their revival seasons (both since 2005).

With Family Guy, I feel like the turning point was the "Where's my money" scene in the episode Patriot Games.

It felt out of character for Stewie to do that. I could see him doing that to someone else, but not Brian; it was established at that point that he and Brian were good friends. Also, that scene felt jarringly gory for the show up to that point (nowadays it's not so surprising, since the show has a lot of gore humor now, but it barely had any before 2005).

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/06/17 at 1:23 pm


An episode after 2004

It's a good thing you never saw the post-2004 episodes, they would probably taint your opinion of the whole show. They're akin to the Simpsons after season 9, or Dexter after season 4.


The only season from Dexter that sucked (at least after Season 4) was Season 8. It wasn't very enjoyable, and it made me wish they had a different ending. Although, my favorite season was Season 2.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/06/17 at 1:39 pm


I'd make that strictly seasons 1-3. Season 4 was produced & aired after the first movie and it was when the show started to go downhill. There were a few decent to good episodes on season 4 though, but it was a certain noticeable decline in quality. Hence why I probably wouldn't lump with seasons 5 & after which are garbage, but not with the classic 1st 3 seasons either, it was transitional.


Frankly, some of them were bad, but people would say the same thing with pre-movie episodes such as I'm With Stupid and Party Pooper Pants. I didn't really mind the grotesque imagery in some of the S4 episodes, but it wasn't intolerable like Season 6. To this day, I still think modern SpongeBob isn't really that interesting to watch now. Everybody on the Internet has been eating it like a dead horse for years now.


I agree! Another thing to is that I noticed that you mentioned in another thread that Family Guy started to jump the shark when it was revived in 2005 (after being cancelled in 2003). I always found that strangely ironic how both shows began in 1999 (FG in January if I believe and SB in May) and both cancelled around 2003/4. Their classic episodes were during their first 3 seasons, but their crappy episodes were during their revival seasons (both since 2005).


??? Family Guy was still great from their revival seasons, at least for Seasons 4-9. They had a lot of classics at the time, especially where most of them are my favorites. Spongebob on the other hand was just beaten to death since the mid 2000s. Although, I think it has to deal with how many kids loved it so much at the time.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/06/17 at 1:44 pm


With Family Guy, I feel like the turning point was the "Where's my money" scene in the episode Patriot Games.

It felt out of character for Stewie to do that. I could see him doing that to someone else, but not Brian; it was established at that point that he and Brian were good friends. Also, that scene felt jarringly gory for the show up to that point (nowadays it's not so surprising, since the show has a lot of gore humor now, but it barely had any before 2005).


Uhh.. Stewie was always sadistic, especially towards Lois. Have you ever notice that he wanted to kill her through the first six seasons? He still hates Lois though, but it's one of his traits.

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Written By: Zelek3 on 01/06/17 at 9:02 pm


Uhh.. Stewie was always sadistic, especially towards Lois. Have you ever notice that he wanted to kill her through the first six seasons? He still hates Lois though, but it's one of his traits.

Yes, but in the old seasons, Brian and Stewie had been established as good friends ever since "Road to Rhode Island". Seeing Stewie beat up Brian, try to drown him in the toilet, shooting him, setting him on fire, etc. after they had been friends for a while just felt very OOC.

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Written By: 2001 on 01/07/17 at 8:33 am


Season 4

And I'll tell you what you're watching... you're watching these characters having a sevensome and experiencing pure pleasure.

Oooo, I'm awful.


I don't believe it. It's a children's cartoon! No way  8-P

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Written By: 2001 on 01/07/17 at 8:37 am


Yes, but in the old seasons, Brian and Stewie had been established as good friends ever since "Road to Rhode Island". Seeing Stewie beat up Brian, try to drown him in the toilet, shooting him, setting him on fire, etc. after they had been friends for a while just felt very OOC.


I always saw Family Guy as more episodic than story or progression-focused. The fight was probably out of place given the story, but in terms of the characters' personalities, it was very appropriate, not to mention hilarious ;D

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/07/17 at 12:23 pm


Yes, but in the old seasons, Brian and Stewie had been established as good friends ever since "Road to Rhode Island". Seeing Stewie beat up Brian, try to drown him in the toilet, shooting him, setting him on fire, etc. after they had been friends for a while just felt very OOC.


You do realize Stewie did that once to Brian, right? Of course they're good friends. Stewie likes Brian more than any other member of his family. Not to mention that he sees Brian as a father figure, instead of Peter (whom he refers to him as the "fat man").

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Written By: Zelek3 on 01/07/17 at 3:38 pm


I don't believe it. It's a children's cartoon! No way  8-P

I kid, I kid.

It's actually an Akira reference. :P

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/17/17 at 3:33 pm

Another nostalgic commercial break, back in October 2003!

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As me, Mqg, & Eric were talking about before it seems that this was the pinnacle of quality for the network.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/17/17 at 3:56 pm


Another nostalgic commercial break, back in October 2003!

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As me, Mqg, & Eric were talking about before it seems that this was the pinnacle of quality for the network.


Here are some others from 2004, 2005, and early 2006.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/17/17 at 4:50 pm


Here are some others from 2004, 2005, and early 2006.

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Yeah I've seen those commercial breaks before! Disney Channel was pretty awesome in the early & mid 2000's! I don't think I asked but what were your favorite shows on the network?

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/17/17 at 5:19 pm


Yeah I've seen those commercial breaks before! Disney Channel was pretty awesome in the early & mid 2000's! I don't think I asked but what were your favorite shows on the network?


Lilo and Stitch: The Series, Brandy and Mr. Whiskers, That's So Raven, Pucca, and Yin Yang Yo (if you're counting Toon Disney originals as well).

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/17/17 at 5:31 pm


Lilo and Stitch: The Series, Brandy and Mr. Whiskers, That's So Raven, Pucca, and Yin Yang Yo (if you're counting Toon Disney originals as well).


That's cool! As you already know, I wasn't into most of DC's cartoons (ok, with notable exceptions to Kim Possible and The Proud Family, they were bad ass :D) but I was really into their live action shows. My favorites would probably be:

1. Even Stevens

2. That's So Raven

3. Lizzie McGuire

4. Suite Life of Zack & Cody

5. Phil of the Future

I was also into the DCOMs, primarily the ones made in the late 90's/early 00's, like these:

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/17/17 at 5:51 pm


That's cool! As you already know, I wasn't into most of DC's cartoons (ok, with notable exceptions to Kim Possible and The Proud Family, they were bad ass :D) but I was really into their live action shows. My favorites would probably be:

1. Even Stevens

2. That's So Raven

3. Lizzie McGuire

4. Suite Life of Zack & Cody

5. Phil of the Future

I was also into the DCOMs, primarily the ones made in the late 90's/early 00's, like these:

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Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of sitcoms from Disney Channel back in the day. Although, I do remember "Suite Life of Zack and Cody" and "That's So Raven" being on the scene during the mid 2000s.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/17/17 at 6:00 pm


Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of sitcoms from Disney Channel back in the day. Although, I do remember "Suite Life of Zack and Cody" and "That's So Raven" being on the scene during the mid 2000s.


So we were opposites lol! Yeah for me personally most of DC's original cartoons seemed pretty mediocore. Most of my Disney animation experience came from One Saturday Morning on ABC & Toon Disney

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/17/17 at 6:37 pm


So we were opposites lol! Yeah for me personally most of DC's original cartoons seemed pretty mediocore. Most of my Disney animation experience came from One Saturday Morning on ABC & Toon Disney


Yeah, I mostly watched the cartoons from Disney Channel until 2006. It was then from 2006-2008 when I just watched Toon Disney just for the sake of watching their cartoons.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/17/17 at 8:56 pm


Yeah, I mostly watched the cartoons from Disney Channel until 2006. It was then from 2006-2008 when I just watched Toon Disney just for the sake of watching their cartoons.


Yeah for me I watched TD from 2001-2004 for Cartoons, 2004-2005 for Jetix, 2001-2006 for DC

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Written By: Zelek3 on 01/17/17 at 8:59 pm


Yeah for me I watched TD from 2001-2004 for Cartoons, 2004-2005 for Jetix, 2001-2006 for DC

So, when did you stop watching Disney Channel? When That's So Raven, Kim Possible, and American Dragon ended in 2007 (arguably the last remaining Gen Y "holdouts" on the channel)? Or sooner/later than that?

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/17/17 at 10:01 pm


So, when did you stop watching Disney Channel? When That's So Raven, Kim Possible, and American Dragon ended in 2007 (arguably the last remaining Gen Y "holdouts" on the channel)? Or sooner/later than that?


Like I said, around 2006 was when I stopped watching it regularly lol. But I still watched it sporadically until 2007/8. I would occasionally watch Wizards of Waverly Place, Suite Life on Deck, & Cory in the House on there, but I was definitely past my peak by then

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/18/17 at 5:48 am


So, when did you stop watching Disney Channel? When That's So Raven, Kim Possible, and American Dragon ended in 2007 (arguably the last remaining Gen Y "holdouts" on the channel)? Or sooner/later than that?


I stopped watching the main Disney Channel by 2007 and watched Toon Disney until they rebranded into Disney XD.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/18/17 at 8:15 pm


Yep 2006 was Disney channel's 1998 (for Nickelodeon), it was the transitional phase. The 2005-06' school year as a whole, was great though, the last good school year for the network. September-December 2005 we all know that period was still GOOD, January-March 2006 unfortunately had the premieres of High School Musical & Hannah Montana but overall the network was still solid, that pretty much remained the same from April-June 2006. Things didn't start to become noticeably bad until Disney began taking reruns of shows like Even Stevens, and ending shows like Phil of the Future in or around late 2006, aka the 06'-07' school year.

Question, do you think June-September 2006 could be considered part of Disney Channel's "golden age"? I mean, shows like Phil of the Future, Even Stevens(reruns), and Lizzie mcguire(again, reruns) were still on during that time.

It wasn't until that fateful time of late August-early September that those shows disappeared, with Hannah Montana and HSM becoming the new "faces" of the channel (which they had been building up to for the past few months, but they weren't totally there yet).

Yeah I know breaking up a television network's eras into specific months is as odd as trying to break a small cookie crumb into even more crumbs, lol.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/18/17 at 9:11 pm


Question, do you think June-September 2006 could be considered part of Disney Channel's "golden age"? I mean, shows like Phil of the Future, Even Stevens(reruns), and Lizzie mcguire(again, reruns) were still on during that time.

It wasn't until that fateful time of late August-early September that those shows disappeared, with Hannah Montana and HSM becoming the new "faces" of the channel (which they had been building up to for the past few months, but they weren't totally there yet).

Yeah I know breaking up a television network's eras into specific months is as odd as trying to break a small cookie crumb into even more crumbs, lol.


Like I said, with the exception of Hannah Montana and High School Musical debuting, the 2005-06' season was still good because of the reasons I laid out before. 2006-07' was when the channel was starting to go downhill. It was dead to me by 2008 or so when sh!t like Camp Rock got big. Although I have heard some people claim the channel was still 'decent' until 2010/2011 when Suite Life on Deck ended.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/18/17 at 9:30 pm


Question, do you think June-September 2006 could be considered part of Disney Channel's "golden age"? I mean, shows like Phil of the Future, Even Stevens(reruns), and Lizzie mcguire(again, reruns) were still on during that time.


I think June, July, and early August of 2006 could be considered as golden age, since they still had Lilo & Stitch and Brandy & Mr. Whiskers. Although, they still had reruns of those shows on Toon Disney in the late 2000s.

It wasn't until that fateful time of late August-early September that those shows disappeared, with Hannah Montana and HSM becoming the new "faces" of the channel (which they had been building up to for the past few months, but they weren't totally there yet).

Hannah Montana and HSM were already icons of Disney by the end of the 2005-06 school year. Even though the network was still bearable to watch at the time. It wasn't until 2008 when they sabotaged the rest of Disney Channel into the Hannah Montana Network. Much like how Nickelodeon treated Spongebob more than its other subsidiaries in the late 2000s.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 01/19/17 at 10:21 am


Like I said, with the exception of Hannah Montana and High School Musical debuting, the 2005-06' season was still good because of the reasons I laid out before. 2006-07' was when the channel was starting to go downhill. It was dead to me by 2008 or so when sh!t like Camp Rock got big. Although I have heard some people claim the channel was still 'decent' until 2010/2011 when Suite Life on Deck ended.


I say 2007 when That's So Raven and Kim Possible ended. 2006 as a whole year was transitional for me when the good shows started ending/declining in quality and the bad shows started creeping in. American Dragon Jake Long (despite the season 2 animation change) was the only show that stayed consistently good until the end IMO (even though a lot of other ppl disagree). Suite Life of Zack & Cody season 2 was also one of the only things that kept Disney Channel barely alive throughout 2006/early 2007.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/19/17 at 10:26 am


I say 2007 when That's So Raven and Kim Possible ended. 2006 as a whole year was transitional for me when the good shows started ending/declining in quality and the bad shows started creeping in. American Dragon Jake Long (despite the season 2 animation change) was the only show that stayed consistently good until the end IMO (even though a lot of other ppl disagree). Suite Life of Zack & Cody season 2 was also one of the only things that kept Disney Channel barely alive throughout 2006/early 2007.


I agree! I just picked 2008 randomly because that was probably the last year I could think of when I watched the channel. As I said before I stopped watching regularly around in 2006. 2003-2005 were my main DC years. 2001-2002 I would watch it at relatives houses or occasionally at home. 2006-2007 I would watch it sporadically at friends houses or at home.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 01/19/17 at 10:33 am


I agree! I just picked 2008 randomly because that was probably the last year I could think of when I watched the channel. As I said before I stopped watching regularly around in 2006. 2003-2005 were my main DC years. 2001-2002 I would watch it at relatives houses or occasionally at home. 2006-2007 I would watch it sporadically at friends houses or at home.


2003-2006 was my main Disney Channel years. Your 2001-2002 Disney Channel experience was exactly like mine.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 01/19/17 at 10:36 am


I agree! I just picked 2008 randomly because that was probably the last year I could think of when I watched the channel. As I said before I stopped watching regularly around in 2006. 2003-2005 were my main DC years. 2001-2002 I would watch it at relatives houses or occasionally at home. 2006-2007 I would watch it sporadically at friends houses or at home.


Also, if I was a female OR a couple/few years older as a guy I know I would have watched Zoog Disney a lot more. Live-action shows were too boring for me at that young of an age.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/19/17 at 10:47 am


I say 2007 when That's So Raven and Kim Possible ended. 2006 as a whole year was transitional for me when the good shows started ending/declining in quality and the bad shows started creeping in. American Dragon Jake Long (despite the season 2 animation change) was the only show that stayed consistently good until the end IMO (even though a lot of other ppl disagree). Suite Life of Zack & Cody season 2 was also one of the only things that kept Disney Channel barely alive throughout 2006/early 2007.


To me, Disney Channel died out between very late 2006 to early 2008, after Brandy and Mr. Whiskers ended in August. Then came the massive Hannah Montana reruns that made DC unbearable to watch. Even as a kid, I thought Disney Channel was boring with all the girly sitcoms. Despite that most of the time, I grew up with what Toon Disney had. At least 90% of my watch time with Disney Channel, it was with the cartoons. So, I just watched Toon Disney until late 2008 or early 2009 (I think).

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 01/19/17 at 3:42 pm

I can't just let the Disney Channel get all the love, now can I? Here's some commercial breaks from what I consider to be the peak of Nickelodeon's Golden Era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o42x1_1_Rbg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t25U3aFUWYQ

For what it's worth, if I had to single out an "absolute peak" for Nick, I would say 1996. To me, it has the perfect blend of both early and later Golden Age content. You still had some early Golden Age shows (like Rugrats, Pete & Pete, Rocko's Modern Life, etc.) putting out new episodes, plus you also had some of the great later Golden Age shows (like Hey Arnold!, Kenan & Kel and KaBlam!) debuting that year as well. Of course, my family went to Nickelodeon Studios in the Summer of 1996, so I might be a bit biased for that reason.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/19/17 at 4:33 pm


I can't just let the Disney Channel get all the love, now can I? Here's some commercial breaks from what I consider to be the peak of Nickelodeon's Golden Era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o42x1_1_Rbg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t25U3aFUWYQ

For what it's worth, if I had to single out an "absolute peak" for Nick, I would say 1996. To me, it has the perfect blend of both early and later Golden Age content. You still had some early Golden Age shows (like Rugrats, Pete & Pete, Rocko's Modern Life, etc.) putting out new episodes, plus you also had some of the great later Golden Age shows (like Hey Arnold!, Kenan & Kel and KaBlam!) debuting that year as well. Of course, my family went to Nickelodeon Studios in the Summer of 1996, so I might be a bit biased for that reason.


For what it's worth, the mid 90s were like the peak for Nick's golden age if you ask anybody.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/19/17 at 6:17 pm


I can't just let the Disney Channel get all the love, now can I? Here's some commercial breaks from what I consider to be the peak of Nickelodeon's Golden Era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o42x1_1_Rbg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t25U3aFUWYQ

For what it's worth, if I had to single out an "absolute peak" for Nick, I would say 1996. To me, it has the perfect blend of both early and later Golden Age content. You still had some early Golden Age shows (like Rugrats, Pete & Pete, Rocko's Modern Life, etc.) putting out new episodes, plus you also had some of the great later Golden Age shows (like Hey Arnold!, Kenan & Kel and KaBlam!) debuting that year as well. Of course, my family went to Nickelodeon Studios in the Summer of 1996, so I might be a bit biased for that reason.


I agree, Especially the 1995-96' Television Season, Nickelodeon was at its peak in quality! It would of been pretty awesome actually, being the same age I was when Disney Channel's popularity peaked in 2003-04', in 95'-96', that would of meant that I'd had to have been born in 1988 lol!

FWIW though I (and you could disagree with me, that's fine) always felt that the Golden Age of Nick, while most certainly distinct, wasn't necessarily foreign to myself when I grew up with the channel in the early 2000's. As mentioned in previous forum threads, but many 90's Nicktoons & Nickoms were still regularly shown in the early 00's, either via reruns (like CatDog, Angry Beavers, Rocko's Modern Life) or in many instances new episodes (notable examples being Rugrats and Hey Arnold, in which they would also still air the 90's reruns of their episodes, in which most 'classicists' consider the superior versions). Add to the fact I had older siblings born in the 80's & early 90's, and I also possessed many of those Orange Nickelodeon Branded VHS tapes from the 90's as a kid, and essentially I still grew up mostly as a Golden Age Nick Kid.

Granted, it would of been better to actually have first hand experience of many of the shows back then when they were new, along with hidden gems that I unfortunately missed out on like Pete & Pete and Roundhouse to name a couple. However, I still could better relate to say an 88' or 89' baby who grew up with Nick in its 1990's, than say someone of similar age difference such as an 03' or 04' baby who grew/growing up with Nick in the 2010's.

Not sure if I perfectly articulated what I'm trying to say here, but I hope some get the point.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/19/17 at 6:54 pm


Granted, it would of been better to actually have first hand experience of many of the shows back then when they were new, along with hidden gems that I unfortunately missed out on like Pete & Pete and Roundhouse to name a couple. However, I still could better relate to say an 88' or 89' baby who grew up with Nick in its 1990's, than say someone of similar age difference such as an 03' or 04' baby who grew/growing up with Nick in the 2010's.

Not sure if I perfectly articulated what I'm trying to say here, but I hope some get the point.


I don't think anyone born after 2002 would relate towards kids who still watch Nickelodeon nowadays. Even if I only had a few glimpses with some of the golden and silver age shows (Rugrats and Wild Thornberrys), at least that's something compared to what mid and late 2000s babies are watching. Although, I bet they watch mainstream YouTube channels more than what Nickelodeon is broadcasting.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: SpyroKev on 01/20/17 at 9:36 am

I chose Disney Channel for 1997-2005. I couldn't connect with Nick as much as I tried. I don't like the vibe of most Nick cartoons. They felt depressive and weird to me. I could never get into sitcoms either. I give Nick credit for those two animated announcers though.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/20/17 at 11:10 am


I chose Disney Channel for 1997-2005. I couldn't connect with Nick as much as I tried. I don't like the vibe of most Nick cartoons. They felt depressive and weird to me. I could never get into sitcoms either. I give Nick credit for those two animated announcers though.


It's more like the opposite with me on Nick. Nick has always made a lot of shows that I considered to be entertaining for me as a kid. Especially more than Disney Channel. I could only get into the early and mid 2000s Disney Channel, since that's when I mostly liked the channel. It got pretty weird after 2006, when Hannah Montana became a massive success to the point where it couldn't stop pandering towards annoying preteens at the time. Then they made sitcoms that have the same style as Hannah Montana, which is said to say. Nick on the other hand entertained me up until iCarly ended, since that was the last show I watched.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 01/20/17 at 1:44 pm


I agree, Especially the 1995-96' Television Season, Nickelodeon was at its peak in quality! It would of been pretty awesome actually, being the same age I was when Disney Channel's popularity peaked in 2003-04', in 95'-96', that would of meant that I'd had to have been born in 1988 lol!

FWIW though I (and you could disagree with me, that's fine) always felt that the Golden Age of Nick, while most certainly distinct, wasn't necessarily foreign to myself when I grew up with the channel in the early 2000's. As mentioned in previous forum threads, but many 90's Nicktoons & Nickoms were still regularly shown in the early 00's, either via reruns (like CatDog, Angry Beavers, Rocko's Modern Life) or in many instances new episodes (notable examples being Rugrats and Hey Arnold, in which they would also still air the 90's reruns of their episodes, in which most 'classicists' consider the superior versions). Add to the fact I had older siblings born in the 80's & early 90's, and I also possessed many of those Orange Nickelodeon Branded VHS tapes from the 90's as a kid, and essentially I still grew up mostly as a Golden Age Nick Kid.

Granted, it would of been better to actually have first hand experience of many of the shows back then when they were new, along with hidden gems that I unfortunately missed out on like Pete & Pete and Roundhouse to name a couple. However, I still could better relate to say an 88' or 89' baby who grew up with Nick in its 1990's, than say someone of similar age difference such as an 03' or 04' baby who grew/growing up with Nick in the 2010's.

Not sure if I perfectly articulated what I'm trying to say here, but I hope some get the point.


No, I totally get what you're saying. In fact, I can relate in my own way.

Even though I was born in 1987, some of my favorite cartoons growing up (like Real Ghostbusters, TMNT, and Ducktales) were actually '80s shows that were still making new episodes, or getting rerun often, deep into the '90s. I also had things like the NES, Teddy Ruxpin, and Garbage Pail Kids cards growing up which are all considered to be "'80s toys". For that reason, I do feel that I could relate at least decently well to early '80s babies like The Angry Video Game Nerd and the Nostalgia Critic, even though they are a good 6/7 years older than me.

So, it does seem totally plausible to me that you mid '90s babies (and even late '90s babies too) could relate somewhat to the Golden Age of Nick, since many of the best '90s Nick shows (like Hey Arnold!, Rugrats and Kenan & Kel) did linger well into the '00s. Likewise, I have a similar connection to '80s Nick. Even thought it was mostly before my time, I was able to watch early Nick shows like You Can't Do That on Television and Mr. Wizard's World that were still shown deep into the '90s. In fact, my earliest memories of watching Nick date back to 1990-91, and the channel was still VERY "old-school" at the time.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/20/17 at 2:04 pm


No, I totally get what you're saying. In fact, I can relate in my own way.

Even though I was born in 1987, some of my favorite cartoons growing up (like Real Ghostbusters, TMNT, and Ducktales) were actually '80s shows that were still making new episodes, or getting rerun often, deep into the '90s. I also had things like the NES, Teddy Ruxpin, and Garbage Pail Kids cards growing up which are all considered to be "'80s toys". For that reason, I do feel that I could relate at least decently well to early '80s babies like The Angry Video Game Nerd and the Nostalgia Critic, even though they are a good 6/7 years older than me.


Thanks for understanding! You do bring up a good point on how the 1980's child centric fads remained in relevant in pop culture in the early/mid 90's. For instance, TMNT, which is widely considered one of the best 80's cartoons, didn't stop production until 1996!

That's honestly insane, especially since most people relate its cultural zeitgeist to the late 80's & early 90's, despite the show still on the air even in the mid 90's. Heck I'm going to be honest with you, but even I could relate (albeit partially) to some of things AVGN & Nostalgic Critic grew up with. One of the notable examples I could think of are Jame's reviews of old school accessories for the Game Boy, or Doug's reviews of old Nicktoons/Nickcoms, or in both cases the occasional reviews of old 80's/90's/early 00's children movies. Of course a lot of this has to do with the fact I have older siblings, hence my better relation to people born in the early 80's than to someone the same exact age as me who may have not had as many older influence.


In fact, my earliest memories of watching Nick date back to 1990-91, and the channel was still VERY "old-school" at the time.

Yeah for me, my earliest memories of Nick are from circa 1999, past Nick's golden age, but still having a bit of that 90's Nickelodeon aesthetic. I'm not gonna lie though, it would of been pretty cool seeing Nick during its underrated 80's/early 90's phase. I remember a couple years ago watching this commercial break and thinking, 'Damn, early 90's kids had it good 8)'

Hyst930GjTE

Do you remember this?

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/20/17 at 2:45 pm


So, it does seem totally plausible to me that you mid '90s babies (and even late '90s babies too) could relate somewhat to the Golden Age of Nick, since many of the best '90s Nick shows (like Hey Arnold!, Rugrats and Kenan & Kel) did linger well into the '00s. Likewise, I have a similar connection to '80s Nick. Even thought it was mostly before my time, I was able to watch early Nick shows like You Can't Do That on Television and Mr. Wizard's World that were still shown deep into the '90s. In fact, my earliest memories of watching Nick date back to 1990-91, and the channel was still VERY "old-school" at the time.


A lot of 90s Nick shows were still airing reruns until 2007, so I did get to see a few Golden Age shows such as Rugrats, Hey Arnold, and even The Wild Thornberrys. Even though most of them were before my time, I still enjoyed them as much as the ones in the 2000s. Especially when my oldest memories for Nickelodeon was from 2003.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/20/17 at 2:59 pm


Thanks for understanding! You do bring up a good point on how the 1980's child centric fads remained in relevant in pop culture in the early/mid 90's. For instance, TMNT, which is widely considered one of the best 80's cartoons, didn't stop production until 1996!

The same thing happens with most decades.

For instance, many late 90s leftover things lasted all the way until about 2004 or 2006 (as we've elaborated in the "Everything changed in late 2006" thread).

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/21/17 at 8:08 pm


The same thing happens with most decades.

For instance, many late 90s leftover things lasted all the way until about 2004 or 2006 (as we've elaborated in the "Everything changed in late 2006" thread).


Good point, although most late 90's influences seemed to had died around 2004. 2006 marked the death for early 00's influences.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: aja675 on 01/22/17 at 9:54 am

BTW, Nickelodeon Asia thought of something just like The Splat 10 years ago. It was a block at rougly 8 or 9 PM called Classic Nick.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/22/17 at 5:57 pm


Good point, although most late 90's influences seemed to had died around 2004. 2006 marked the death for early 00's influences.

To your average Joe, they're the SAME thing. :P

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/22/17 at 7:03 pm


To your average Joe, they're the SAME thing. :P


Good point! BTW I don't think I asked you before, but when did you feel Nickelodeon was at its peak in quality? The reason I ask is because you seem to be a staunch critic of Nickelodeon since 2006 with Cyma Zarghami taking over. Do you see the early 2000's as a golden age or (like me) a silver age?

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/22/17 at 7:05 pm


Good point! BTW I don't think I asked you before, but when did you feel Nickelodeon was at its peak in quality? The reason I ask is because you seem to be a staunch critic of Nickelodeon since 2006 with Cyma Zarghami taking over. Do you see the early 2000's as a golden age or (like me) a silver age?

I was born in 95(not 89, I was being satirical when I made those posts on some other forums), so 2000-2005 is the "golden age" to me, even if it's not the "actual" golden age.

During that time, Nick basically had a perfect "equilibrium" of 90s and 00s stuff. Cyma killed all their variety.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 01/22/17 at 8:10 pm


Thanks for understanding! You do bring up a good point on how the 1980's child centric fads remained in relevant in pop culture in the early/mid 90's. For instance, TMNT, which is widely considered one of the best 80's cartoons, didn't stop production until 1996!


Very true. Many folks would probably be surprised to hear that TMNT stayed on the air until 1996, but it's true. Other examples of '80s shows that had relatively long '90s runs would include The Real Ghostbusters (which lasted from 1986-1991, but still aired on CBS Saturday Mornings until the mid '90s), Garfield and Friends (which lasted 1988-1995), Ducktales (1987-1990, but still aired regularly until the late '90s), The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1988-1991, but aired on ABC Saturday Mornings until 1997), and Adventures of the Gummi Bears (1985-1991, but still shown in syndication throughout the '90s).


Yeah for me, my earliest memories of Nick are from circa 1999, past Nick's golden age, but still having a bit of that 90's Nickelodeon aesthetic. I'm not gonna lie though, it would of been pretty cool seeing Nick during its underrated 80's/early 90's phase. I remember a couple years ago watching this commercial break and thinking, 'Damn, early 90's kids had it good 8)'

Hyst930GjTE

Do you remember this?


Good video!

I remember quite a few things from that video, actually, even thought I probably saw most of it after 1990. I used to watch Hey Dude all the time growing up, I also had the Hungry-Hungry Hippos game as a kid, and I also remember the Nickelodeon promo with the weird head looking dude at the end of the video.

Some other '80s Nick shows I used to watch growing up were Finders Keepers, Kids' Court, Eureka's Castle, Danger Mouse (though it wasn't really a "Nick" show), Inspector Gadget (Ditto), David the Gnome and Fred Penner's Place. Even as late as 1994 it wasn't unusual to see '80s Nick content airing from time-to-time.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/22/17 at 8:19 pm


I was born in 95(not 89, I was being satirical when I made those posts on some other forums), so 2000-2005 is the "golden age" to me, even if it's not the "actual" golden age.

During that time, Nick basically had a perfect "equilibrium" of 90s and 00s stuff. Cyma killed all their variety.


I agree, 2000-2004/5 was my 'golden age', at least on what I experienced. Also I saw this YouTube clip of Nickelodeon commercials from 2004 the other day. Brings back great memories

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Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/22/17 at 9:32 pm


I was born in 95(not 89, I was being satirical when I made those posts on some other forums), so 2000-2005 is the "golden age" to me, even if it's not the "actual" golden age.

During that time, Nick basically had a perfect "equilibrium" of 90s and 00s stuff. Cyma killed all their variety.


Despite that most of those shows were sent off to Nicktoons to have reruns after 2005.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/22/17 at 9:55 pm


Very true. Many folks would probably be surprised to hear that TMNT stayed on the air until 1996, but it's true. Other examples of '80s shows that had relatively long '90s runs would include The Real Ghostbusters (which lasted from 1986-1991, but still aired on CBS Saturday Mornings until the mid '90s), Garfield and Friends (which lasted 1988-1995), Ducktales (1987-1990, but still aired regularly until the late '90s), The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1988-1991, but aired on ABC Saturday Mornings until 1997), and Adventures of the Gummi Bears (1985-1991, but still shown in syndication throughout the '90s).


Exactly! I actually always prefered late 80's cartoons (TMNT, Ducktales, Garfield) over earlier 80's cartoons (Smurfs, He Man, Richy Rich), so its cool that those shows were still shown regularly in the 90's! Also on the ones I bolded, I actually remember them still being shown in the early 2000's as well. Most notably The Adventures of Winnie The Pooh which reran on One Saturday Morning, and both Ducktales & Garfield on Toon Disney.

So even early-mid 90's babies got a taste of late 80's cartoons, which is pretty bizarre but cool at the same time! It makes you wonder why cartoons from the 1990's never really had that same impact, especially since most animation fans agree that the 1990's were a much more diverse and creative decade for cartoons than the 1980's. Other than shows that debuted in 1999 (Spongebob, Family Guy, Futurama) I don't remember seeing shows like Rugrats or Animaniacs still being regularly shown in the early 2010's. Its a shame because I think it would of been cool if some of the classics were still shown. It helps makes bridges with different generations.


Good video!

I remember quite a few things from that video, actually, even thought I probably saw most of it after 1990. I used to watch Hey Dude all the time growing up, I also had the Hungry-Hungry Hippos game as a kid, and I also remember the Nickelodeon promo with the weird head looking dude at the end of the video.

Some other '80s Nick shows I used to watch growing up were Finders Keepers, Kids' Court, Eureka's Castle, Danger Mouse (though it wasn't really a "Nick" show), Inspector Gadget (Ditto), David the Gnome and Fred Penner's Place. Even as late as 1994 it wasn't unusual to see '80s Nick content airing from time-to-time.


That's cool. So the way you saw Nickelodeon in 1990 is kind of how I saw Nickelodeon in 1999.

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Using this commercial break above as an example I do have a few vague memories of some of them as they were happening at the time. But most of them I have a much more clearer memories when they were still marketed regularly in the early 00's. Same with the promos.



Despite that most of those shows were sent off to Nicktoons to have reruns after 2005.


I agree, the variety on Nick declined heavily in 2006.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/23/17 at 4:25 pm

When it comes to the periods where the kids' channels progressively declined, I'd have to say this:

Nick: 2004-2007
CN: 2005-2007
Disney: 2006-2007

Their declines began at different times, but by mid-late 2007, I'd say they had completed their declines (remaining good shows like Ned's Declassified, Drake & Josh, Danny Phantom, Kim Possible, and That's So Raven ended that year; while terrible new shows like Out of Jimmy's Head and Naked Brothers Band were premiering that year).

NYEagle will probably disagree and that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/23/17 at 5:11 pm


When it comes to the periods where the kids' channels progressively declined, I'd have to say this:

Nick: 2004-2007
CN: 2005-2007
Disney: 2006-2007

Their declines began at different times, but by mid-late 2007, I'd say they had completed their declines (remaining good shows like Ned's Declassified, Drake & Josh, Danny Phantom, Kim Possible, and That's So Raven ended that year; while terrible new shows like Out of Jimmy's Head and Naked Brothers Band were premiering that year).

NYEagle will probably disagree and that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion.


Frankly, I'm okay with Disney Channel since they didn't have a lot of good stuff after 2007. I would've said the same thing after Lilo and Stitch: The Series ended in July of 2006. Even with that, I never seem to like any of Disney's channels after early 2009 when Toon Disney wasn't the same ever since. With Cartoon Network, I personally didn't care so much since it wasn't really my favorite out of all the kids channels. Hell, I only enjoyed it throughout the late 2000s. I became bored with the channel after 2010, when they changed their logo. People say that they were getting better by the time they did that, but I was already bored as sh*t with the network. The only thing related to CN that I watched after 2010 was Boomerang, but that was before the 2015 rebrand happened. Cartoon Network was already terrible by 2015 (except for We Bare Bears) and it didn't interest me.

Nickelodeon was one of the only things that I truly loved throughout most of the 2000s. Even though I said that Nickelodeon went downhill after they changed their logo in 2009, I still watched some of their shows until 2012. However, if I have to say when Disney Channel, Nickelodeon, and even Cartoon Network were good altogether, I had to say 2005 and early 2006. Every time when I saw those channels back then, it filled me with nostalgic bliss where I sat on my couch and watched their shows so much.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/24/17 at 4:55 am


I agree, 2000-2004/5 was my 'golden age', at least on what I experienced. Also I saw this YouTube clip of Nickelodeon commercials from 2004 the other day. Brings back great memories

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Nice.

You know, I think it'd be cool if someone could take YouTube clips from 2000-2005 era Nick and compile them into one big compilation, and title it "Silver Age Nick" or something like that. Anyone here up to the task?

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/24/17 at 4:46 pm


I agree, the variety on Nick declined heavily in 2006.

If it weren't for Cyma taking over and the increase in Spongebob spamming, I'd be tempted to include 2006 in the "silver age" of Nick.

It was the year where one of their last good shows, in my opinion, came out(Kappa mikey), and it was the last year before really terrible shows like Naked Brothers Band and Tak & the Power of Juju came out. So, I can see why some people pick 2007 as the real "year of doom" for Nick, as opposed to 06.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/24/17 at 5:07 pm


Nice.

You know, I think it'd be cool if someone could take YouTube clips from 2000-2005 era Nick and compile them into one big compilation, and title it "Silver Age Nick" or something like that. Anyone here up to the task?


Thanks it brings back nostalgia of being just an innocent 8 year old watching Christmas specials!

Also that would be cool although I don't have the time to do that at the moment. Too many college papers that I'm focusing on ;D



If it weren't for Cyma taking over and the increase in Spongebob spamming, I'd be tempted to include 2006 in the "silver age" of Nick.

It was the year where one of their last good shows, in my opinion, came out(Kappa mikey), and it was the last year before really terrible shows like Naked Brothers Band and Tak & the Power of Juju came out. So, I can see why some people pick 2007 as the real "year of doom" for Nick, as opposed to 06.


I agree. 2006 was probably the last year I watched the channel regularly like I did for much of the early/mid 2000's. After 2006 I only watched occasionally for Danny Phantom, Avatar, and Drake & Josh.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/25/17 at 3:02 am

Offtopic, but does anyone have this picture of Nicktoons characters, in diamond-like bubbles?

This pic is from around 2005 I think, and had shows like Avatar, Catscratch, and Danny Phantom in addition to the 90s ones.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/29/17 at 9:34 am

You mean this?

http://img09.deviantart.net/6641/i/2009/313/2/7/nicktoons_collage_by_astep2stage18.jpg

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/29/17 at 10:15 am


You mean this?

http://img09.deviantart.net/6641/i/2009/313/2/7/nicktoons_collage_by_astep2stage18.jpg


That's a great way to represent Nickelodeon during the 90s and early-mid 2000s.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/29/17 at 12:21 pm


That's a great way to represent Nickelodeon during the 90s and early-mid 2000s.


I agree!

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/29/17 at 2:50 pm


You mean this?

http://img09.deviantart.net/6641/i/2009/313/2/7/nicktoons_collage_by_astep2stage18.jpg

Thank you, I like it.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/29/17 at 7:14 pm

Since this thread has seemingly evolved into a silver-age Nick thread, maybe I should make a thread for Silver Age Nick specifically?

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/29/17 at 7:18 pm


Since this thread has seemingly evolved into a silver-age Nick thread, maybe I should make a thread for Silver Age Nick specifically?


Yeah, I think you should. I feel more related towards Silver and Bronze Age Nick, since that's where most of the shows I grew up with aired.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/29/17 at 9:10 pm

Go right ahead! Question before you make your thread, what do you think was the overall better golden age, Disney Channel's or Nickelodeon's?

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 01/29/17 at 9:10 pm

Nick, Disney Channel has always been rather "meh" in my eyes.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 01/29/17 at 9:16 pm


Nick, Disney Channel has always been rather "meh" in my eyes.


I see. After giving this question some thought I'm gonna have to give this one Nickelodeon. While I think both golden ages were exceptional during their respective primes (1991-97'/98' for Nick, 1997-05'/06' for DC), Nick seemed to had better variety back then. As stated before, minus Kim Possible and The Proud Family, most of DC's cartoons seemed 'meh' in my eyes. Both networks in their primes had great live action shows and they had their respective aces up their sleeves (Nick@Nite for Nick, DCOMs for DC) but Nick's further excellence in animation is why I'd have to give it to Nick. However, that's looking at things from an overall standpoint. I appreciate DC slightly more because I was at their target age range during most of their prime prior to 2006, so from an nostalgic standpoint I'd go with DC.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 02/01/17 at 5:24 am


I see. After giving this question some thought I'm gonna have to give this one Nickelodeon. While I think both golden ages were exceptional during their respective primes (1991-97'/98' for Nick, 1997-05'/06' for DC), Nick seemed to had better variety back then. As stated before, minus Kim Possible and The Proud Family, most of DC's cartoons seemed 'meh' in my eyes. Both networks in their primes had great live action shows and they had their respective aces up their sleeves (Nick@Nite for Nick, DCOMs for DC) but Nick's further excellence in animation is why I'd have to give it to Nick. However, that's looking at things from an overall standpoint. I appreciate DC slightly more because I was at their target age range during most of their prime prior to 2006, so from an nostalgic standpoint I'd go with DC.

When it comes to DCOMs, I've heard some people opine that Jump In was the last good one. Do you agree or disagree with that opinion?

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 02/01/17 at 5:41 am


When it comes to DCOMs, I've heard some people opine that Jump In was the last good one. Do you agree or disagree with that opinion?


That seems rather debatable. The last good DCOMs premiered in 2006 and 2007, to be honest.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Ripley on 02/01/17 at 6:36 am

I still can't get over how The 90's Are All That failed when it was supposed to be a big thing. Splat is better at least.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/01/17 at 8:10 am


When it comes to DCOMs, I've heard some people opine that Jump In was the last good one. Do you agree or disagree with that opinion?


I haven't seen it so I can't be the judge on that one. Most classic DC fans (as in people born in the late 80's/early-mid 90's) usually say that DCOMs were good up to about 2003 or 2004 (going back to the infamous topic on how 2004 ended late 90's influences, or what some might say, 'the 90's didn't end until 2004' but I digress). I did like Wendy Wu though and that was in 2006. I also thought the first High School Musical was okay (I haven't seen the sequels), so 2006/7 could be the last stretch of some DCOMs being good. After that it all went downhill from there. I think the first DCOM most people our age hated with a burning passion (and probably ignited the passion and nostalgic feelings of DCOMs from the late 90's/early 00's) was Camp Rock, which came out in Summer of 08' I believe. I wasn't really watching DC regularly by that point, but from what I've heard from people who've seen the movie, its pretty atrocious 8-P



I still can't get over how The 90's Are All That failed when it was supposed to be a big thing. Splat is better at least.


I agree. The Splat is doing pretty well right now! I'm mad that DC barely shows Disney Replay anymore though >:(

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 02/01/17 at 11:35 am


I haven't seen it so I can't be the judge on that one. Most classic DC fans (as in people born in the late 80's/early-mid 90's) usually say that DCOMs were good up to about 2003 or 2004 (going back to the infamous topic on how 2004 ended late 90's influences, or what some might say, 'the 90's didn't end until 2004' but I digress). I did like Wendy Wu though and that was in 2006. I also thought the first High School Musical was okay (I haven't seen the sequels), so 2006/7 could be the last stretch of some DCOMs being good. After that it all went downhill from there. I think the first DCOM most people our age hated with a burning passion (and probably ignited the passion and nostalgic feelings of DCOMs from the late 90's/early 00's) was Camp Rock, which came out in Summer of 08' I believe. I wasn't really watching DC regularly by that point, but from what I've heard from people who've seen the movie, its pretty atrocious 8-P


Wendy Wu Homecoming Warrior was one of the outliers of 2006 Disney Channel's highlights along with season 2 of Suite Life of Zack & Cody. I think I already said it's the last Disney Channel original movie I enjoyed and it's the last one I remember. I don't remember any DCOM's after that, well before Camp Rock came out. 2006 was the "uh oh" year for kids television from my childhood perspective. Uh oh Hannah Montana is on the block, but thank God for the leftovers of That's So Raven, Suite Life of Zack & Cody, Phil of the Future, Lilo & Stitch, etc. Uh oh Kids WB has declined and is being moved to the CW in the Fall. Jetix was still good but uh oh Toon Disney is almost dead in the water. Cartoon Network is declining the uh oh red background era but thank God shows like Foster's Home, Billy & Mandy, Ed Edd n Eddy, Ben 10, and KND were still around. Uh oh thank God Tom 3 is still hosting Toonami with some okay lineups. Uh oh the Nintendo DS Lite is pretty damn badass I'm so addicted to it I'd rather play this all day than watch TV!

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/01/17 at 12:12 pm


Wendy Wu Homecoming Warrior was one of the outliers of 2006 Disney Channel's highlights along with season 2 of Suite Life of Zack & Cody. I think I already said it's the last Disney Channel original movie I enjoyed and it's the last one I remember. I don't remember any DCOM's after that, well before Camp Rock came out. 2006 was the "uh oh" year for kids television from my childhood perspective. Uh oh Hannah Montana is on the block, but thank God for the leftovers of That's So Raven, Suite Life of Zack & Cody, Phil of the Future, Lilo & Stitch, etc. Uh oh Kids WB has declined and is being moved to the CW in the Fall. Jetix was still good but uh oh Toon Disney is almost dead in the water. Cartoon Network is declining the uh oh red background era but thank God shows like Foster's Home, Billy & Mandy, Ed Edd n Eddy, Ben 10, and KND were still around. Uh oh thank God Tom 3 is still hosting Toonami with some okay lineups. Uh oh the Nintendo DS Lite is pretty damn badass I'm so addicted to it I'd rather play this all day than watch TV!


THIS. 2006 was the year that children's entertainment was in a 'meh' phase. Most channels, tv blocks, etc. were on the decline, but you still plenty of left overs to keep you company. But gradually those left overs started to get replaced, by the time 2007 rolled around, the channels were a shell of their former selves. By 2007 Nick & DC were riding their tweeny bopper waves never to fully dedicate their resources to animation ever again, and CN just gave up on the variety of cartoons they once had or their promise of showing ONLY animated content.

With the exception of CN bouncing back in 2010 (and even then some are suggesting that CN may be heading on a downturn again with the recent ending of shows like Regular Show and Adventure Time ending in 2018), their hasn't been a fundamental shift in children's television marketing since the late 2000's.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mxcrashxm on 02/01/17 at 4:33 pm


THIS. 2006 was the year that children's entertainment was in a 'meh' phase. Most channels, tv blocks, etc. were on the decline, but you still plenty of left overs to keep you company. But gradually those left overs started to get replaced, by the time 2007 rolled around, the channels were a shell of their former selves. By 2007 Nick & DC were riding their tweeny bopper waves never to fully dedicate their resources to animation ever again, and CN just gave up on the variety of cartoons they once had or their promise of showing ONLY animated content.

With the exception of CN bouncing back in 2010 (and even then some are suggesting that CN may be heading on a downturn again with the recent ending of shows like Regular Show and Adventure Time ending in 2018), their hasn't been a fundamental shift in children's television marketing since the late 2000's.
Agreed! That year was terrible for cartoons channels. It's why I'm glad I stopped watching DC long before then. Nick however, I still continued though despite the network being awful. I can't believe I watched Mighty B, BaTB, Mr. Meaty and even new Spongebob at that time. It was unbearable. ;D :-[

As for CN, it may have been declining due to some mistakes, but I still was with the channel until a few years ago. I'll admit that I actually watched the shows mentioned during that awful era such as TD (I liked the first 3 seasons), Chowder, Flapjack, ST:CW, Batman: BoTB, 6teen and even Stoked. Damn, I even watched some of the LA shows  being Survive This, The Othersiders, Brain Rush etc.  ;D ;D ;D :-[.

I also agree that CN definitely had a Renaissance beginning with the Check 1.0 era; however, it was quickly ruined due to unnecessary shows like Tower Prep, HiTW, MAD and Annoying Orange. That's why I took a quick break from CN for about 2 years before returning. By 2013, it did get great again and I hoped it would continue; however, it's clearly not because the bumpers are generic; there's not enough variety (especially since TTGO gets more scheduling) and AS gets more time than ever. If CN doesn't change their strategy, they're going to end up like Nick and DC and probably collapse.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 02/01/17 at 5:57 pm


I still can't get over how The 90's Are All That failed when it was supposed to be a big thing. Splat is better at least.

It didn't fail, Nick just changed the name so they can put 80s and early 2000s shows on there too.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/01/17 at 6:23 pm


Agreed! That year was terrible for cartoons channels. It's why I'm glad I stopped watching DC long before then. Nick however, I still continued though despite the network being awful. I can't believe I watched Mighty B, BaTB, Mr. Meaty and even new Spongebob at that time. It was unbearable. ;D :-[

As for CN, it may have been declining due to some mistakes, but I still was with the channel until a few years ago. I'll admit that I actually watched the shows mentioned during that awful era such as TD (I liked the first 3 seasons), Chowder, Flapjack, ST:CW, Batman: BoTB, 6teen and even Stoked. Damn, I even watched some of the LA shows  being Survive This, The Othersiders, Brain Rush etc.  ;D ;D ;D :-[.

I also agree that CN definitely had a Renaissance beginning with the Check 1.0 era; however, it was quickly ruined due to unnecessary shows like Tower Prep, HiTW, MAD and Annoying Orange. That's why I took a quick break from CN for about 2 years before returning. By 2013, it did get great again and I hoped it would continue; however, it's clearly not because the bumpers are generic; there's not enough variety (especially since TTGO gets more scheduling) and AS gets more time than ever. If CN doesn't change their strategy, they're going to end up like Nick and DC and probably collapse.


I agree! It really begs the question, do you guys think these channels will be here 10-20 years from now? As of right now, they're all suffering in ratings (although legacy media in general is on the decline), while streaming is becoming more and more popular, especially with this era of kids. I cannot realistically see Nickelodeon still being around by the time I have children. Even if it may still exist, I highly doubt it would be as popular or well funded as it is now.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 02/01/17 at 6:58 pm


I agree! It really begs the question, do you guys think these channels will be here 10-20 years from now? As of right now, they're all suffering in ratings (although legacy media in general is on the decline), while streaming is becoming more and more popular, especially with this era of kids. I cannot realistically see Nickelodeon still being around by the time I have children. Even if it may still exist, I highly doubt it would be as popular or well funded as it is now.


I don't think in anyway that any kids channel (aside from maybe PBS Kids and some others) wouldn't really exist in ten years. Barely any kid knows about TV channels nowadays, especially when they usually watch stuff on YouTube, Netflix, Hulu, and many other Internet services.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/01/17 at 11:50 pm


I don't think in anyway that any kids channel (aside from maybe PBS Kids and some others) wouldn't really exist in ten years. Barely any kid knows about TV channels nowadays, especially when they usually watch stuff on YouTube, Netflix, Hulu, and many other Internet services.


I agree. Streaming services seem to be more progressive and such. Legacy media is on a decline, which includes children targeted channels. It would be pretty weird explaining to my kids in the future the concept of having to watch cartoons only on television. Or heck, the fact about how when I was a young child that I would only be able to watch cartoons on Saturday mornings would be seen as massively archaic to my kids lol!

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 02/01/17 at 11:55 pm

Stick a fork in cable, because it's as done in 2017 as VHS was in 2007.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 02/02/17 at 6:20 am


I agree. Streaming services seem to be more progressive and such. Legacy media is on a decline, which includes children targeted channels. It would be pretty weird explaining to my kids in the future the concept of having to watch cartoons only on television. Or heck, the fact about how when I was a young child that I would only be able to watch cartoons on Saturday mornings would be seen as massively archaic to my kids lol!


I don't think any 2000s kid would witness only watching cartoons on Saturday mornings. That would be something a 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s kid would usually say. But the fact that watching cartoons on TV now is starting to become archaic, it makes sense.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 02/02/17 at 6:23 am


Stick a fork in cable, because it's as done in 2017 as VHS was in 2007.


VHS was already dead by 2007. It's just that only older businesses and schools still used them at the time.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/02/17 at 8:46 am


I don't think any 2000s kid would witness only watching cartoons on Saturday mornings. That would be something a 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s kid would usually say. But the fact that watching cartoons on TV now is starting to become archaic, it makes sense.


I did. From 1999-2001 my family only had cable sporadically during certain moths (and even then, the entire household didn't have it) so I relied on children's TV blocks like Kids WB (Weekdays and Saturday mornings), Fox Kids (Saturday Mornings), and ABC One Saturday Morning (Saturday Mornings) as my source for children's entertainment. Not saying that was necessarily the norm back then, I'm just speaking based upon my own personal experiences

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 02/02/17 at 8:51 am


I don't think any 2000s kid would witness only watching cartoons on Saturday mornings. That would be something a 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s kid would usually say. But the fact that watching cartoons on TV now is starting to become archaic, it makes sense.

Eh, I think anyone born in 2001/2002 or before could have memories of Saturday morning cartoons.

Blocks like Kids' WB, ABC Kids, etc. didn't really bottom out until late 2006 - as we've elaborated many times before on this forum, lord have mercy on 2006's soul (that's when KWB moved to the CW and became crap, and ABC Kids killed their animated shows and filled their slots with Hannah Montana).

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/02/17 at 9:53 am


Eh, I think anyone born in 2001/2002 or before could have memories of Saturday morning cartoons.

Blocks like Kids' WB, ABC Kids, etc. didn't really bottom out until late 2006 - as we've elaborated many times before on this forum, lord have mercy on 2006's soul (that's when KWB moved to the CW and became crap, and ABC Kids killed their animated shows and filled their slots with Hannah Montana).


Pretty much this. If you go on wikipedia it pretty much lays everything out on there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday-morning_cartoon

These are quotes from the article:

"The decline of the timeslot somewhat began in the early 1990s for a variety of reasons, including:

    The rise of first-run syndicated animated programs, which usually had a greater artistic freedom and looser standards than those that were mandated by a network. These programs included G.I. Joe, The Transformers, Voltron, ThunderCats, He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, Ducktales, the first two seasons of Tiny Toon Adventures, and the first three seasons of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
    Increasing regulation of children's programming content, including the Federal Communication Commission's introduction of the E/I mandate in 1990 and later made more explicit in 1996. This required all broadcast networks to air "educational and informational" children's programs for at least three hours a week. Concurrent with this, the Federal Trade Commission outlawed the advertising of both premium-rate telephone numbers and tie-in merchandise during children's hours. Both of these factors limited creative options and cut off large revenue sources for children's programs on network television, and would overrun Saturday morning cartoons.
    The rise of cable television networks such as the Disney Channel, Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network, which provided appealing animated entertainment throughout the week at nearly all hours, making Saturday morning timeslots far less important to viewers and advertisers. Cable channels have the additional advantage of being beyond FCC content regulations and do not have to abide by educational or advertising regulations; within a year of the E/I mandate being imposed, Nickelodeon shot ahead of all of the broadcast networks in Saturday morning viewership ratings. Currently, there are at least ten channels specializing in children's programming.
    The increased availability of home video services (both hard-copy and later through the Internet), which, just like cable, allowed children to watch their favorite cartoons at any given time.
    An increase in children's participation in Saturday activities outside the home.
    The gradual legalization of no-fault divorce in the United States over the course of the 1970s and 1980s, which prompted a spike in divorces and a desire for parents to make more productive use of time with their children.

Animation companies survived by shifting their resources: adult-oriented cartoons, many in prime time, experienced a revival in the 1990s as the Saturday morning cartoons were in decline, as did animated feature films (see, for example, the Disney Renaissance). Fueled by the continued requirement for educational programming, networks continued to carry some cartoons well into the 2000s; by this point, these consisted either of repurposed reruns from cable or outsourced blocks of cartoons imported from outside the United States. As the popularity of these blocks continued to decline and no hit shows emerged from them, by the early 2010s cartoons began an outright phaseout, with the major networks opting to fill their educational mandates by commissioning live-action, mostly documentary/human interest series that were far less labor-intensive and expensive to produce. Some of the space formerly filled by Saturday morning cartoons would be occupied by paid programming and expanded coverage of college football, both of which greatly expanded as the result of separate government rulings in 1984."

So essentially Saturday Morning Cartoons were on the decline since the mid 90's, but they still remained somewhat relevant from the mid 90's to the early 00's. By the mid-late 00's though, the lack of hit cartoons and growing competition from cable officially made SMC irrelevant.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 02/02/17 at 9:55 am


Eh, I think anyone born in 2001/2002 or before could have memories of Saturday morning cartoons.

Blocks like Kids' WB, ABC Kids, etc. didn't really bottom out until late 2006 - as we've elaborated many times before on this forum, lord have mercy on 2006's soul (that's when KWB moved to the CW and became crap, and ABC Kids killed their animated shows and filled their slots with Hannah Montana).


Saturday Morning cartoon blocks started dying the moment the Fall 2002 season hit. One Saturday Morning changing to ABC Kids, FOX Kids changing to FOX BOX, and Kids WB going downhill in ratings. That's when a lot of Saturday Morning cartoon blocks started having the same shows on the lineups that could already be found on CN, Nick, or Disney Channel itself. Before then most Saturday Morning cartoon blocks had its own shows that couldn't be found anywhere else. So honestly I don't think anybody born in the 2000's would remember Saturday morning cartoon blocks, and even if they did, it was already dying or almost dead. By 2006 Kids WB was moved to CW and the lineup of shows were very mediocre/cheap, including Pokemon & Yu-Gi-Oh being gone from the lineups. ABC Kids was basically a Disney Channel clone (been that way since late 2002/2003 anyway), and don't even get me started with 4Kids TV. Even as a 1996 born myself most people near my age including myself watched CN, Nick, or Disney Channel in their peak childhoods. The only Saturday Morning block kids near my age watched was Kids WB but only when it was still on the WB before late 2006. I hardly or never knew any kids near my age watching ABC Kids or FOX BOX/4Kids TV.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/02/17 at 10:13 am


Saturday Morning cartoon blocks started dying the moment the Fall 2002 season hit. One Saturday Morning changing to ABC Kids, FOX Kids changing to FOX BOX, and Kids WB going downhill in ratings. That's when a lot of Saturday Morning cartoon blocks started having the same shows on the lineups that could already be found on CN, Nick, or Disney Channel itself. Before then most Saturday Morning cartoon blocks had its own shows that couldn't be found anywhere else. So honestly I don't think anybody born in the 2000's would remember Saturday morning cartoon blocks, and even if they did, it was already dying or almost dead. By 2006 Kids WB was moved to CW and the lineup of shows were very mediocre/cheap, including Pokemon & Yu-Gi-Oh being gone from the lineups. ABC Kids was basically a Disney Channel clone (been that way since late 2002/2003 anyway), and don't even get me started with 4Kids TV.


Yep like in the article it said above, around the early-mid 2000's was when Saturday Morning Cartoon were going on a steep decline. It does make sense if you think about it though, most of the shows on ABC Kids, Fox Box/4KIDs, and Nick on CBS (I feel like I'm the only person who remembers that ;D) I could've easily watched on Disney Channel, Jetix, and Nickelodeon respectively. Kids WB was the only kids block post 2002 that still had original entertainment on its network, hence why I still tuned in, although I stopped watching Kids WB regularly long before its re brand on the CW in Late 2006.


Even as a 1996 born myself most people near my age including myself watched CN, Nick, or Disney Channel in their peak childhoods. The only Saturday Morning block kids near my age watched was Kids WB but only when it was still on the WB before late 2006. I hardly or never knew any kids near my age watching ABC Kids or FOX BOX/4Kids TV.

I agree with this. I feel like people our age are probably the last to have clear experiences watching Saturday morning cartoons. For most of the first half of my childhood (ages 3-6/7, 1999-2002/3) as I stated before, we only had cable sporadically (until Late 2001), so I had to wait every Saturday morning to watch One Saturday Morning on Channel 7 (ABC) or Fox Kids on Channel 5 (FOX). I would occasionally watch Kids WB Weekday Morning/Afternoon block when I was 3-5 years old, but I would usually watch its Saturday Morning block on Channel 11 (WB). All in all, the shows back then were originally for their respective blocks; OSM had originals like Recess, Pepper Ann, and Buzz Light Year of Star Command. FOX had originals like Power Rangers (reruns of Mighty Morphin, In Space, Lost Galaxy, Time Force, etc.), Digimon, and Beast Wars Transformers. Kids WB had Pokemon, Men In Black TAS, and Batman Beyond.

I doubt most 2000's borns would of had much experience watching Saturday morning cartoons as a viable alternative (or in cases, your only choice) for watching cartoons, I feel like us mid 90's babies (maybe late 90's babies, depending on memories) maybe the last to have those experiences, which is insane to think about :o

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Written By: Zelek3 on 02/02/17 at 10:43 am

This is how I'd say it goes:

1960 to Summer 1997: Peak of popularity for Saturday Morning cartoons, when they were as much an American institution as hot dogs, Mom's apple pie, Coca-Cola, guns, and red-white-and-blue flags. ;D

Fall 1997 to Winter 2006: Disney Afternoon switches to One Saturday Morning, the E/I mandate takes effect (it was proposed in 1996, but technically didn't take effect until 97), and other kids' channels begin going through some changes as well. Saturday Morning Cartoons were on the decline since the late 90s, but they still remained somewhat relevant at this time. There were still some home-runs in popularity at this time, like Pokemon.

Winter 2006 to Fall 2014: Still technically existent, but dead AF at this time. Kids' WB, the remaining heavy-hitter, lost Pokemon to CN and moved to the CW, where they had nowhere near the amount of popularity as they used to. The lack of hit cartoons and growing competition from cable officially made SMC irrelevant.

Fall 2014 to present: Nonexistent

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Written By: mqg96 on 02/02/17 at 11:04 am


This is how I'd say it goes:

1960 to Summer 1997: Peak of popularity for Saturday Morning cartoons, when they were as much an American institution as hot dogs, Mom's apple pie, Coca-Cola, guns, and red-white-and-blue flags. ;D


Actually, the peak of popularity for Saturday morning cartoons was from the 60's-80's. Around the early 90's when the E/I (educational and informational) programming rule came into effect and Nickelodeon's golden age started with the first ever Nicktoons, that's when Saturday Morning cartoons took its first major bump. There were more E/I rules enforced in 1996 but it actually started earlier than that. Although, I'd still say that early-mid 90's Fox Kids marked the end of Saturday Morning cartoon's golden age. Kids WB, One Saturday Morning and post 1997 Fox Kids don't belong in Saturday Morning cartoons' golden age, although, that was no doubt the last good stretch for Saturday Morning cartoons that was somewhat popular and still had a lot of its own original programming and good views. What hurt Kids WB during its last 4 seasons on the WB (late 2002-2006) is that after FOX Kids changed into FOX BOX and One Saturday Morning changed into ABC Kids, Kids WB no longer had a Saturday Morning station to compete with and it got lazy. Kids WB was still around from late 2006-2008 on the CW but of course nobody watched it because cable kid stations had long already taken over in ratings. Kids WB was at its strongest in ratings from 1997-2001 because it was competing and going back in forth with Fox Kids and One Saturday Morning.

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Written By: yelimsexa on 02/03/17 at 6:10 am


This is how I'd say it goes:

1960 to Summer 1997: Peak of popularity for Saturday Morning cartoons, when they were as much an American institution as hot dogs, Mom's apple pie, Coca-Cola, guns, and red-white-and-blue flags. ;D

Fall 1997 to Winter 2006: Disney Afternoon switches to One Saturday Morning, the E/I mandate takes effect (it was proposed in 1996, but technically didn't take effect until 97), and other kids' channels begin going through some changes as well. Saturday Morning Cartoons were on the decline since the late 90s, but they still remained somewhat relevant at this time. There were still some home-runs in popularity at this time, like Pokemon.

Winter 2006 to Fall 2014: Still technically existent, but dead AF at this time. Kids' WB, the remaining heavy-hitter, lost Pokemon to CN and moved to the CW, where they had nowhere near the amount of popularity as they used to. The lack of hit cartoons and growing competition from cable officially made SMC irrelevant.

Fall 2014 to present: Nonexistent



I summed up my eras of Saturday Morning on the link below, and agree that after my "Bronze Age" that ends with the 2002 shift as described above, Saturday Morning was starting its death. With regards to cartoons/kids shows on traditional TV, I'd give it about five years at the soonest, but like how radio is still around today with its distinct formats (though nothing like its 1920s-1940s golden age and even 1950s-1960s silver age and 1970s-1990s bronze age), it is and will continued to be programmed differently, though at least On Demand still allows a parent to select which programs to watch at any time, and you don't have to worry as much about computer or phone collapsing as much as a regular TV. That said, it is indeed possible that in the future, all a TV can do is have a computer-like menu where you pay or select a streaming service. There will always be the live channels for news, sports, and special events that the legacy networks can handle, so broadcast TV will still be around for many decades to come just like radio still is today, but the scripted programming on a scheduled basis is going the way of radio during the '50s/'60s.
http://www.inthe00s.com/archive/inthe00s/smf/1412088526.shtml

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/03/17 at 12:46 pm



I summed up my eras of Saturday Morning on the link below, and agree that after my "Bronze Age" that ends with the 2002 shift as described above, Saturday Morning was starting its death. With regards to cartoons/kids shows on traditional TV, I'd give it about five years at the soonest, but like how radio is still around today with its distinct formats (though nothing like its 1920s-1940s golden age and even 1950s-1960s silver age and 1970s-1990s bronze age), it is and will continued to be programmed differently, though at least On Demand still allows a parent to select which programs to watch at any time, and you don't have to worry as much about computer or phone collapsing as much as a regular TV. That said, it is indeed possible that in the future, all a TV can do is have a computer-like menu where you pay or select a streaming service. There will always be the live channels for news, sports, and special events that the legacy networks can handle, so broadcast TV will still be around for many decades to come just like radio still is today, but the scripted programming on a scheduled basis is going the way of radio during the '50s/'60s.
http://www.inthe00s.com/archive/inthe00s/smf/1412088526.shtml


I went to the link and I agree with most of your points! So essentially the peak of SMC (not so much in terms of quality, but in popularity) was from circa 1964-1990. The years 1950-1964 and 1990-2002 were outlier popularity years when they were slowing rising in popularity and slowly declining in popularity respectively.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/03/17 at 1:00 pm

Some of my most cherished SMC memories when I was a kid!




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Some of my favorite SMC theme songs from back in the day of my favorite shows!
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Damn nostalgic overload :D :D :D

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Written By: Zelek3 on 02/03/17 at 1:33 pm


I went to the link and I agree with most of your points! So essentially the peak of SMC (not so much in terms of quality, but in popularity) was from circa 1964-1990. The years 1950-1964 and 1990-2002 were outlier popularity years when they were slowing rising in popularity and slowly declining in popularity respectively.

True, but I'm going to say fall/winter 2006 and not 2002 was the "death" of Saturday morning cartoons, because Kids' WB, ABC Kids, and Discovery Kids died at that time.

As we've exhaustively compiled on this forum, fall-winter 2006 is when EVERYTHING died. ;)

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/03/17 at 2:55 pm


True, but I'm going to say fall/winter 2006 and not 2002 was the "death" of Saturday morning cartoons, because Kids' WB, ABC Kids, and Discovery Kids died at that time.

As we've exhaustively compiled on this forum, fall-winter 2006 is when EVERYTHING died. ;)


I guess if you want to say when SMC truly died off, Late 2006 is a good point. I think that most agree though that the period from Late 2002 - Mid 2006, was when SMC's were struggling surviving.

Looking at SMC since the early 90's I see it like this using school years:

The Extended 60's-80's Golden Age or the Neo Golden Age: 1990-1991 through 1995-1996
Regulations start to emerge in the early 90's, but they don't massively interfere with the quality of the programming. Kids Blocks that were popular during this era included ABC, FOX, CBS, & the WB. Classic early-mid 90's cartoons included Tiny Toon Adventures, Animaniacs, TMNT, The Tick, and Bobby's World to name a few!

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The Neo Silver Age: 1996-1997 through 2001-2002
Regulations start to become more strict with the FCC in 1996, cable programming starts to become more popular with DC becoming a basic cable package and CN launching Cartoon Cartoons. Despite this SMC blocks still had its own original variety during this period, hence this being the last good period for SMC in both quality and popularity. Blocks that were popular during this era inlcluded ABC (One Saturday Morning), FOX (FOX Kids), & The WB (Kids WB). Classic Late 90's/early 00's cartoons included Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries, Recess, Pepper Ann, Beast Wars Transformers, and Pokemon to name a few!

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The Neo Bronze Age: 2002-2003 through 2005-2006
With cable now the standard in U.S households, SMC start to take a massive downturn. Despite these troubling events, this was the last time SMC remained somewhat relevant in the children's entertainment industry and most of the children's block were taking advantage of the loopholes via the FCC regulations. Although, this came with the price of a lack of original series on Saturday morning blocks, with most of the shows being reruns from cable or English dubbed anime. Some of the Blocks that were popular during this era included ABC Kids, FOX BOX/4Kids TV, Nick on CBS, & Kids WB. Classic early-mid 00's cartoons included Yu-Gi-Oh, Jackie Chan Adventures, Kirby Right Back at Ya, Sonic X, and TMNT(2003) to name a few!


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Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 02/06/17 at 12:31 pm


I went to the link and I agree with most of your points! So essentially the peak of SMC (not so much in terms of quality, but in popularity) was from circa 1964-1990. The years 1950-1964 and 1990-2002 were outlier popularity years when they were slowing rising in popularity and slowly declining in popularity respectively.


I readily admit that I'm biased, but I would extend the peak of Saturday morning cartoons up to at least 1992, which is when NBC started showing the Today show on Saturday mornings over it's cartoon lineup. Really, though, I would extend the peak up to 1996. Yes, the loss of NBC was huge at the time, but remember that Fox Kids Saturday morning was just taking off right around the same time that NBC dropped cartoons, so it really didn't turn out to be that big of a loss when it was all said and done.

The reason I say that the peak extends to 1996 is because up through that year you still had three networks (CBS, ABC and Fox) offering 4-6 hours of kids programming every Saturday, and the three networks all still had mammoth shows at the time, like ReBoot and Bugs Bunny & Tweety on ABC; Aladdin and TMNT on CBS; and MMPR, Spider-Man and X-Men on Fox. You also had the start of Kids WB! around this time as well. Things began to drop off a little in late 1997, as CBS started trimming it's Saturday morning cartoon lineup as well, but the 1995-96 season (and arguably even the 1996-97 season) is well within the Golden Age to me.

One thing on the FCC regulations. Yes, as many have pointed out, the Children's Television Act calling for more educational programming on the networks did pass in 1990, but had very little impact for the bulk of the '90s because it was very poorly enforced. Networks were able to get around the regulations by taking just about any program and having it declared "educational". Even Jerry Springer was listed as an "educational" program at one point! It wasn't really until the late '90s that we started to see FCC regulations begin to clip away at the network's lineup because of the 1996 strengthening of the act, which came into effect in 1997.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/06/17 at 1:43 pm


I readily admit that I'm biased, but I would extend the peak of Saturday morning cartoons up to at least 1992, which is when NBC started showing the Today show on Saturday mornings over it's cartoon lineup. Really, though, I would extend the peak up to 1996. Yes, the loss of NBC was huge at the time, but remember that Fox Kids Saturday morning was just taking off right around the same time that NBC dropped cartoons, so it really didn't turn out to be that big of a loss when it was all said and done.

The reason I say that the peak extends to 1996 is because up through that year you still had three networks (CBS, ABC and Fox) offering 4-6 hours of kids programming every Saturday, and the three networks all still had mammoth shows at the time, like ReBoot and Bugs Bunny & Tweety on ABC; Aladdin and TMNT on CBS; and MMPR, Spider-Man and X-Men on Fox. You also had the start of Kids WB! around this time as well. Things began to drop off a little in late 1997, as CBS started trimming it's Saturday morning cartoon lineup as well, but the 1995-96 season (and arguably even the 1996-97 season) is well within the Golden Age to me.

One thing on the FCC regulations. Yes, as many have pointed out, the Children's Television Act calling for more educational programming on the networks did pass in 1990, but had very little impact for the bulk of the '90s because it was very poorly enforced. Networks were able to get around the regulations by taking just about any program and having it declared "educational". Even Jerry Springer was listed as an "educational" program at one point! It wasn't really until the late '90s that we started to see FCC regulations begin to clip away at the network's lineup because of the 1996 strengthening of the act, which came into effect in 1997.


Thanks for the information! So essentially for most of the 1990's the popularity of Saturday Morning Cartoons was unchanged (if so very little) from the 80's & before. The regulations weren't as strict and thus there were a lot of loop holes broadcasters could've used to get around them. For instance to add to your examples, I think shows like Captain Planet and The Magic School Bus were listed as 'educational' and they were lumped in with non-educational shows to get those regulations in check.

So to re examine my theory do you agree with this:

1960's-1992: Golden Age

1992-1997: Neo Golden Age (regulations take into effect, but its very minimal)

1997-2002: Neo Silver Age (regulations start to become more strict, Saturday Morning Cartoons in slight decline)

2002-2006: Neo Bronze Age (most blocks either cave to regulations or show non-original programming from cable networks, Saturday Morning Cartoons in moderate decline)

2006-2014: The Waning Age (most blocks now show educational programming, only a couple still show non-educational programming, and usually its from cable)

September 27th 2014: The Official Death of Saturday Morning Cartoons

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Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 02/06/17 at 3:40 pm


So to re examine my theory do you agree with this:

1960's-1992: Golden Age

1992-1997: Neo Golden Age (regulations take into effect, but its very minimal)

1997-2002: Neo Silver Age (regulations start to become more strict, Saturday Morning Cartoons in slight decline)

2002-2006: Neo Bronze Age (most blocks either cave to regulations or show non-original programming from cable networks, Saturday Morning Cartoons in moderate decline)

2006-2014: The Waning Age (most blocks now show educational programming, only a couple still show non-educational programming, and usually its from cable)

September 27th 2014: The Official Death of Saturday Morning Cartoons


Yeah, I think that sounds about right. Losing NBC's cartoon lineup in 1992 (which was one of the true SMC powerhouses) is a good marker for the end of the true Golden Age, but 1993-1996 was still more than great enough (particularly due to the addition of Fox Kids) to be considered a Neo-Golden Age.

The thing that some people assume is that because Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network were popular in the '90s means that cable was sapping large numbers of viewers away from the traditional broadcast networks Saturday morning lineups. I can say from experience that this is not true. As big as Nick may have been by 1995-96, myself and most kids I knew would still wake up at 7 A.M. every Saturday and sit in front of the TV for five or six hours watching cartoons, especially Fox which had an awesome slate of shows at the time.

I must admit, I'm a bit curious about how SMC's were perceived in the 2000's, particularly in the early and mid parts of the decade before they really started dying out in the late '00s. As somebody who was a kid in the first half of the '00s, did you and your friends still get up early every Saturday to watch cartoons for hours or had cable really started to drain the excitement away by that point?

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Written By: Zelek3 on 02/06/17 at 4:03 pm


I must admit, I'm a bit curious about how SMC's were perceived in the 2000's, particularly in the early and mid parts of the decade before they really started dying out in the late '00s. As somebody who was a kid in the first half of the '00s, did you and your friends still get up early every Saturday to watch cartoons for hours or had cable really started to drain the excitement away by that point?

I'm close to ZeldaFan's age. I can't speak for everyone, but in the early mid 2000s, I myself watched cartoons like Jackie Chan Adventures, Kirby right back at ya, Ozzy and Drix, Kenny the shark, Mew Mew Power, and Sonic X(gotta go fast) on Saturday mornings. At that time, Saturday mornings felt like an old tradition, that were being outpaced by cable, yet you still felt a certain "obligation" to watch them.

Up until fall/winter 2006, where as we've mentioned, they changed their approach and had nothing left that I liked.

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Written By: mqg96 on 02/06/17 at 4:22 pm


I must admit, I'm a bit curious about how SMC's were perceived in the 2000's, particularly in the early and mid parts of the decade before they really started dying out in the late '00s. As somebody who was a kid in the first half of the '00s, did you and your friends still get up early every Saturday to watch cartoons for hours or had cable really started to drain the excitement away by that point?


I know I've already stated this, but again I believe 2000-mid 2002 was the only time in the 2000's Saturday Morning cartoons were still popular. We all know the peak of Saturday Morning cartoons ended in 1997, but late 1997-mid 2002 was that last good stretch which was the era of One Saturday Morning, post-1997 Fox Kids, and Kids WB's prime. Once late 2002 arrived Saturday Morning cartoon blocks were on its achilles heel and it was completely dead by 2006. So I look at it like this. The 1996-1997 season was the last time Saturday Morning cartoon blocks peaked. 2001-2002 was the last season it was still good, relevant or popular coming up with good original content with One Saturday Morning, post-1997 Fox Kids, and Kids WB in its prime. 2005-2006 was the last season it was watchable (mainly for Kids WB only) even though it was dying by then thanks to ABC Kids and FOX BOX/4Kids being very bland with the same shows already found on 24 hour kid stations and the fact that it ran out of original ideas. From 2006-2007 up until 2013-2014 Saturday Morning cartoon blocks were basically dead, but it was surprisingly still there.

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Written By: Looney Toon on 02/06/17 at 4:29 pm


I'm close to ZeldaFan's age. I can't speak for everyone, but in the early mid 2000s, I myself watched cartoons like Jackie Chan Adventures, Kirby right back at ya, Ozzy and Drix, Kenny the shark, Mew Mew Power, and Sonic X(gotta go fast) on Saturday mornings. At that time, Saturday mornings felt like an old tradition, that were being outpaced by cable, yet you still felt a certain "obligation" to watch them.

Up until fall/winter 2006, where as we've mentioned, they changed their approach and had nothing left that I liked.


In the early 2000s Saturday Morning Cartoons still had its glory. To me early 2000s Saturday Morning was pretty much in the same situation as Late 1990s Saturday Morning Cartoons. Cable was well established and things like Anime was getting popular. So by around 1998/1999-2004 your Saturday Morning Cartoons would include things like Pokemon, Beyblade, Yu Gi Oh, Shaman King, Sonic X, Sailor Moon, etc etc. But there was also tons of western cartoons such as Teen Titans, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles '03, House of Mouse, FilMore, Static Shock, What's New Scooby Doo and more.

To me the Golden Age of Saturday Morning Cartoons are the 1960s-1980s. With the Silver Age being from the 1990s - ~2004-ish. But this is just my opinion. My Saturday morning experiences didn't really begin until I was around 5 years. I think Kids WB was just starting to air around this time.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 02/06/17 at 4:54 pm


In the early 2000s Saturday Morning Cartoons still had its glory. To me early 2000s Saturday Morning was pretty much in the same situation as Late 1990s Saturday Morning Cartoons. Cable was well established and things like Anime was getting popular. So by around 1998/1999-2004 your Saturday Morning Cartoons would include things like Pokemon, Beyblade, Yu Gi Oh, Shaman King, Sonic X, Sailor Moon, etc etc. But there was also tons of western cartoons such as Teen Titans, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles '03, House of Mouse, FilMore, Static Shock, What's New Scooby Doo and more.

To me the Golden Age of Saturday Morning Cartoons are the 1960s-1980s. With the Silver Age being from the 1990s - ~2004-ish. But this is just my opinion. My Saturday morning experiences didn't really begin until I was around 5 years. I think Kids WB was just starting to air around this time.


I say 2002. Saturday Morning Cartoon's history didn't go the same as 24 hour cable TV for kids. The silver age of Saturday Morning cartoons was from 1990 when the Children's Television Act first came into place until mid 1997 when the golden age of FOX Kids ended. Around the silver age of Saturday Morning cartoons from 1990-mid 1997 you also had the start of cartoons being shown on 24 hour kid stations like Nicktoons being on Nickelodeon since 1991 or Cartoon Network being launched in 1992, which factored into the first major bump big time. While I consider late 1997-mid 2002 as the bronze age for Saturday Morning cartoons which was the last true good era with blocks like One Saturday Morning, Kids WB (in its prime), and post-1997 FOX Kids. Around this time more 24 hour cartoon stations came into place like Toon Disney including the golden age of Cartoon Network beginning, plus more Nicktoons available on Nickelodeon by then. When late 2002 arrived with ABC Kids replaced OSM and FOX BOX replacing Fox Kids, that's when the decline truly became noticeable and Kids WB started getting lazy thanks to no more competition, despite it being the only good block yet. By this time a lot of the shows that were on the lineups of ABC Kids, FOX BOX, and even Kids WB late in its run too were seen on the same channels as 24 hour kid stations. In fact, by late 2002 it was clear that Nick, CN, and Disney were the big 3. So that's why I think late 2002-mid 2006 was downfall period for Saturday Morning cartoons when it was on a huge decline. Kids WB was the only good block left by then.



Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/06/17 at 5:02 pm


Yeah, I think that sounds about right. Losing NBC's cartoon lineup in 1992 (which was one of the true SMC powerhouses) is a good marker for the end of the true Golden Age, but 1993-1996 was still more than great enough (particularly due to the addition of Fox Kids) to be considered a Neo-Golden Age.

The thing that some people assume is that because Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network were popular in the '90s means that cable was sapping large numbers of viewers away from the traditional broadcast networks Saturday morning lineups. I can say from experience that this is not true. As big as Nick may have been by 1995-96, myself and most kids I knew would still wake up at 7 A.M. every Saturday and sit in front of the TV for five or six hours watching cartoons, especially Fox which had an awesome slate of shows at the time.


I generally agree with all of this, especially with the bold! I feel like the reason why people diminish the influence Saturday Morning Cartoons had in the 1990's & early 2000's was because it was the first time in television history that local television providers had to compete with large broadcasting corporations. Yes this led to a gradual decline to SMC's, but to say that most children in the 90's didn't watch SMC blocks like is being pretty disingenuous. Also with the bold and underline, I agree that speaks volumes of how much influence SMC still had in the 90's.


I must admit, I'm a bit curious about how SMC's were perceived in the 2000's, particularly in the early and mid parts of the decade before they really started dying out in the late '00s. As somebody who was a kid in the first half of the '00s, did you and your friends still get up early every Saturday to watch cartoons for hours or had cable really started to drain the excitement away by that point?

As @mqg already stated (and I'm sure you pretty much agree), SMC's were still relatively popular in the late 90's up to about 2002 or so. The 2001-2002 season was the last Solid season for SMCs.

Pretty anecdotal, but I vividly remember from when I was 3-6 years old, so essentially from 1999-2002, waking up every Saturday morning, pouring a bowl of cereal (my favorites being Froot Loops & Cap 'n Crunch!), and tuning into Disney' One Saturday Morning (ABC 7), Kids WB (WB 11), or FOX Kids (FOX 5). Some of my favorites included Recess, Pepper Ann, Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, The New Adventures of Winnie The Pooh, Men in Black TAS, Power Rangers Time Force, Batman Beyond, Yu-Gi-Oh, and my all time favorite Pokemon! Even though my family finally upgraded to cable in our time household in Late 2001 (the 9/11 effect here in the Tri State area) I still vividly remember tuning into my favorite kids blocks during my Saturday mornings when I was in Kindergarten.

However, there was a shift in the 2002-2003 school year, so 1st grade for me, where I started to gradually not tune in as often to watch much of FOX Box or ABC Kids, which replaced FOX Kids and One Saturday Morning respectively that same school year. Saturday mornings were still a tradition I did to watch Kids WB, ABC Kids, or FOX Box, but it definitely wasn't as consistent as it was prior to Late 2002. I think the last school year in which I regularly watched SMC's was the 2004-05' school year, and by then I was only really watching Kids WB anyways.

I already posted plenty of videos that I find nostalgic about Saturday Morning cartoons if you want to check them out, but I'll post this one because it seems to be one of the most nostalgic of the one's I was able to find on the web and best represents my early television years!

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This was from the Summer 2001, probably the first summer in my life that I remember crystal clear. The year I learned to ride my bike, go to summer camp, go to Universal Studios and Disney World for the first time (for the longest time I thought that was 2000 ;D), went to a family reunion, played on my Game Boy Color in the car, my PS1 at home, my pre school graduation, etc. However of course on a innocent Saturday mornings with no school, camp, or church I could just sit back relax and watch some of my favorite cartoons on the Late 90's CRT with 'Rabbit Ears' 8)



In the early 2000s Saturday Morning Cartoons still had its glory. To me early 2000s Saturday Morning was pretty much in the same situation as Late 1990s Saturday Morning Cartoons. Cable was well established and things like Anime was getting popular. So by around 1998/1999-2004 your Saturday Morning Cartoons would include things like Pokemon, Beyblade, Yu Gi Oh, Shaman King, Sonic X, Sailor Moon, etc etc. But there was also tons of western cartoons such as Teen Titans, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles '03, House of Mouse, FilMore, Static Shock, What's New Scooby Doo and more.

To me the Golden Age of Saturday Morning Cartoons are the 1960s-1980s. With the Silver Age being from the 1990s - ~2004-ish. But this is just my opinion. My Saturday morning experiences didn't really begin until I was around 5 years. I think Kids WB was just starting to air around this time.


Yep this was pretty much me as well bro, another Silver Age SMC Kid! Pokemon, Men In Black, Batman Beyond, Recess, Power Rangers (Time Force, Ninja Storm, etc.), X-MEN Evolution, I could go on and on!

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Written By: Looney Toon on 02/06/17 at 5:06 pm


I say 2002. Saturday Morning Cartoon's history didn't go the same as 24 hour cable TV for kids. The silver age of Saturday Morning cartoons was from 1990 when the Children's Television Act first came into place until mid 1997 when the golden age of FOX Kids ended. Around the silver age of Saturday Morning cartoons from 1990-mid 1997 you also had the start of cartoons being shown on 24 hour kid stations like Nicktoons being on Nickelodeon since 1991 or Cartoon Network being launched in 1992, which factored into the first major bump big time. While I consider late 1997-mid 2002 as the bronze age for Saturday Morning cartoons which was the last true good era with blocks like One Saturday Morning, Kids WB (in its prime), and post-1997 FOX Kids. Around this time more 24 hour cartoon stations came into place like Toon Disney including the golden age of Cartoon Network beginning, plus more Nicktoons available on Nickelodeon by then. When late 2002 arrived with ABC Kids replaced OSM and FOX BOX replacing Fox Kids, that's when the decline truly became noticeable and Kids WB started getting lazy thanks to no more competition, despite it being the only good block yet. By this time a lot of the shows that were on the lineups of ABC Kids, FOX BOX, and even Kids WB late in its run too were seen on the same channels as 24 hour kid stations. In fact, by late 2002 it was clear that Nick, CN, and Disney were the big 3. So that's why I think late 2002-mid 2006 was downfall period for Saturday Morning cartoons when it was on a huge decline. Kids WB was the only good block left by then.


I suppose 2002 can be seen as a good point for when Saturday Morning Cartoons in any amounts of popularity. Around the 1960s-1980s Saturday Morning Cartoons were in a golden age simply because there never any other way to experience cartoons. Plus there was no pesk Television Act. 1990s was the silver age to me since the Television Act and Cable. But a Silver Age is still a good age and this evident with shows such as Tiny Toons, Batman 1992 and many more. Late 1990s/Early 2000s being the bronze era due to Cable completely taking over, but also brought in the rise of anime . 2002/3 to 2006 being the downfall works well for me.

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Written By: mqg96 on 02/06/17 at 5:32 pm

I can use a perfect example right here, comparing some early 1998, early 2001, and early 2004 lineups and see how much of a change it was within 3 year spans. This was during the bronze age (by my definition).

Kids WB 1998:
Pinky and the Brain
Superman: The Animated Series
Men in Black: The Series
The New Batman/Superman Adventures
Pinky and the Brain
Animaniacs
The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries

(Animaniacs is the only show from the '98 lineup that could been seen on Cartoon Network at the time, the rest of the shows could only be seen on Kids WB at the time)

Kids WB 2001:
Max Steel
Men in Black: The Series
Jackie Chan Adventures
The Zeta Project
Pokémon
X-Men: Evolution
Static Shock
Batman Beyond
Cardcaptors

(Cardcaptors is THE ONLY show from the Kids WB '01 lineup that could be seen on Cartoon Network at the time thanks to the Toonami block, the rest of the shows, Kids WB only, although, Batman Beyond would join CN later in the year AFTER it was taken off Kids WB)

Kids WB 2004:
What's New Scooby-Doo?
Static Shock
Teen Titans
Xiaolin Showdown
Pokémon
Yu-Gi-Oh!
Jackie Chan Adventures
¡Mucha Lucha!

(Now this is where things get interesting, Teen Titans and What's New Scooby-Doo were very exclusive to Cartoon Network obviously. Static Shock and Jackie Chan Adventures were on Toonami/Miguzi for reruns. Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh's latest episodes were on Kids WB but the reruns could still be found on CN. Even Mucha Lucha joined the CN lineup for reruns by 2004. Xiaolin Showdown was the only show from the lineup that could only be seen on Kids WB. You see what I'm talking about?)

One Saturday Morning 1998:
101 Dalmatians
Doug
Recess
Pepper Ann
The Bugs Bunny and Tweety Show
Jungle Cubs
The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Science Court

(The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh and Jungle Cubs are the only shows from this lineup that could be seen on Disney Channel or Toon Disney. The rest of the shows could only be found on this OSM lineup at the time)

One Saturday Morning 2001:
Sabrina, the Animated Series
The Weekenders
Recess
Lloyd in Space
Buzz Lightyear of Star Command
Teacher's Pet
Doug
The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
House of Mouse

(Most OSM shows didn't join Toon Disney until late 2002, so again, The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh is the only show from this lineup that could been seen anywhere else.)

ABC Kids 2004:
That's So Raven
Kim Possible
Fillmore!
Lilo & Stitch: The Series
The Proud Family
Recess
Lizzie McGuire
Power Rangers Dino Thunder

(Oh God, all of these shows, I repeat, ALL of these shows could be seen on Disney Channel or Toon Disney/Jetix.)

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Written By: Looney Toon on 02/06/17 at 5:55 pm


I can use a perfect example right here, comparing some early 1998, early 2001, and early 2004 lineups and see how much of a change it was within 3 year spans. This was during the bronze age (by my definition).

Kids WB 1998:
Pinky and the Brain
Superman: The Animated Series
Men in Black: The Series
The New Batman/Superman Adventures
Pinky and the Brain
Animaniacs
The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries

(Animaniacs is the only show from the '98 lineup that could been seen on Cartoon Network at the time, the rest of the shows could only be seen on Kids WB at the time)

Kids WB 2001:
Max Steel
Men in Black: The Series
Jackie Chan Adventures
The Zeta Project
Pokémon
X-Men: Evolution
Static Shock
Batman Beyond
Cardcaptors

(Cardcaptors is THE ONLY show from the Kids WB '01 lineup that could be seen on Cartoon Network at the time thanks to the Toonami block, the rest of the shows, Kids WB only, although, Batman Beyond would join CN later in the year AFTER it was taken off Kids WB)

Kids WB 2004:
What's New Scooby-Doo?
Static Shock
Teen Titans
Xiaolin Showdown
Pokémon
Yu-Gi-Oh!
Jackie Chan Adventures
¡Mucha Lucha!

(Now this is where things get interesting, Teen Titans and What's New Scooby-Doo were very exclusive to Cartoon Network obviously. Static Shock and Jackie Chan Adventures were on Toonami/Miguzi for reruns. Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh's latest episodes were on Kids WB but the reruns could still be found on CN. Even Mucha Lucha joined the CN lineup for reruns by 2004. Xiaolin Showdown was the only show from the lineup that could only be seen on Kids WB. You see what I'm talking about?)

One Saturday Morning 1998:
101 Dalmatians
Doug
Recess
Pepper Ann
The Bugs Bunny and Tweety Show
Jungle Cubs
The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Science Court

(The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh and Jungle Cubs are the only shows from this lineup that could be seen on Disney Channel or Toon Disney. The rest of the shows could only be found on this OSM lineup at the time)

One Saturday Morning 2001:
Sabrina, the Animated Series
The Weekenders
Recess
Lloyd in Space
Buzz Lightyear of Star Command
Teacher's Pet
Doug
The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
House of Mouse

(Most OSM shows didn't join Toon Disney until late 2002, so again, The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh is the only show from this lineup that could been seen anywhere else.)

ABC Kids 2004:
That's So Raven
Kim Possible
Fillmore!
Lilo & Stitch: The Series
The Proud Family
Recess
Lizzie McGuire
Power Rangers Dino Thunder

(Oh God, all of these shows, I repeat, ALL of these shows could be seen on Disney Channel or Toon Disney/Jetix.)


Ah, I'm starting to get it. From 2002 and prior most of the shows that aired on the blocks were exclusive to those blocks. This would be when Saturday Morning blocks still had their own charm. Sure Cable channels had a list of cartoons to show, but there was still some hit cartoons that you weren't able to see on them. For example I love House of Mouse and due to it not being on Toon Disney at the time in 2001-2002 I still would tune in on Saturdays to watch House of Mouse. Informative post there.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: mqg96 on 02/10/17 at 5:09 pm

Getting back to the topic of this thread, I want to share a few threads with y'all from a site called lipstickalley which is a forum filled with a lot of ladies. They're giving their opinions about the golden age of Disney Channel. Tell me what you think of this! I think it's amazing how their opinions line up with most of us.  :o

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/722349-Let-s-talk-the-*CLASSIC*-Original-Disney-Channel-Movies

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/953688-Is-Disney-Channel-trash-now-or-are-we-too-old-for-it

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/1028043-Disney-Channel-Appreciation-and-Tea-Thread

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/11/17 at 11:17 am


Getting back to the topic of this thread, I want to share a few threads with y'all from a site called lipstickalley which is a forum filled with a lot of ladies. They're giving their opinions about the golden age of Disney Channel. Tell me what you think of this! I think it's amazing how their opinions line up with most of us.  :o

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/722349-Let-s-talk-the-*CLASSIC*-Original-Disney-Channel-Movies

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/953688-Is-Disney-Channel-trash-now-or-are-we-too-old-for-it

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/1028043-Disney-Channel-Appreciation-and-Tea-Thread


Damn these ladies know wassup :D :D :D

Also I highlighted this one quote from a user named AshleyTheDiva, in which I agree with whole heartily:

"I am loving this thread. I don't care who I piss off, but Hannah Montana was the beginning of Disney going down the drain. Give me everything pre-2006 Disney. (I think I say that in every Disney thread, I guess my disdain for anything Miley related is kind of obvious).

Since Zenon and the Cheetah Girls were already mentioned, some of my other favorite Disney movies are, Wish Upon a Star, Model Behavior, Susie Q, Smart House, Double Teamed, Right on Track, Brink, Motocrossed, and Stuck in the Suburbs. I used to love he Disney Channel Stars "Express Yourself" segments in between commercial breaks, and the Disney Channel Movie Surfers."


This was the pinnacle of Disney Channel right here folks! Not Miley, Selena, or Demi, No Jonas Brothers, Camp Rock, or even High School Musical. Give me 1997-2005/6 era DC any day of the week.

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Written By: mqg96 on 02/11/17 at 1:07 pm


Damn these ladies know wassup :D :D :D

This was the pinnacle of Disney Channel right here folks! Not Miley, Selena, or Demi, No Jonas Brothers, Camp Rock, or even High School Musical. Give me 1997-2005/6 era DC any day of the week.


A user named LOLbo also brought up some good points on the 3rd and 4th page of the 2nd link. She's only a year older than us and she was right on how she never understood the Hannah Montana craze. Them reminiscing the Disney Channel original movies was the best part, hell, they even considered a couple of 2006 ones like Wendy Wu as the real cutoff (it's understandable why girls liked High School Musical which I'm okay with).

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Written By: 80sfan on 02/11/17 at 1:22 pm

1997 to 2006 was my youth!  :)

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/17/17 at 1:18 pm

Based on what we were talking about with SMC

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I agree with many of his points!

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Written By: mqg96 on 02/17/17 at 2:53 pm


Based on what we were talking about with SMC

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I agree with many of his points!


Yep, the 3 major reasons SMC declined. The rise of technology like internet or video games which gave kids other platforms to have free time, the angry parents which lead to the E/I rule or Children's Television Act, and the #1 reason which is a no brainer the rise of cable networks and 24 hour kid stations which made SMC's pointless.

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Written By: Zelek3 on 02/17/17 at 4:52 pm


Damn these ladies know wassup :D :D :D

Also I highlighted this one quote from a user named AshleyTheDiva, in which I agree with whole heartily:

"I am loving this thread. I don't care who I piss off, but Hannah Montana was the beginning of Disney going down the drain. Give me everything pre-2006 Disney. (I think I say that in every Disney thread, I guess my disdain for anything Miley related is kind of obvious).

Since Zenon and the Cheetah Girls were already mentioned, some of my other favorite Disney movies are, Wish Upon a Star, Model Behavior, Susie Q, Smart House, Double Teamed, Right on Track, Brink, Motocrossed, and Stuck in the Suburbs. I used to love he Disney Channel Stars "Express Yourself" segments in between commercial breaks, and the Disney Channel Movie Surfers."


This was the pinnacle of Disney Channel right here folks! Not Miley, Selena, or Demi, No Jonas Brothers, Camp Rock, or even High School Musical. Give me 1997-2005/6 era DC any day of the week.

I liked High School Musical, it was "charmingly vapid" if that's even possible. :P I can sorta see why some people would slot it into the last of "classic" Disney Channel.

I didn't like Hannah Montana though, and I can see why people would call it the downfall of DC.

So yeah, 2006 was the transition year for Disney channel.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/17/17 at 8:58 pm


Yep, the 3 major reasons SMC declined. The rise of technology like internet or video games which gave kids other platforms to have free time, the angry parents which lead to the E/I rule or Children's Television Act, and the #1 reason which is a no brainer the rise of cable networks and 24 hour kid stations which made SMC's pointless.


Pretty much! That puts the decline at around the mid 90's into the early 2000's. By the mid-late 2000's SMC's were barely relevant and on their last legs and by The late 2000's into the 2010's SMCs were a vague American cultural pastime, it officially died in 2014 :\'(



I liked High School Musical, it was "charmingly vapid" if that's even possible. :P I can sorta see why some people would slot it into the last of "classic" Disney Channel.

I didn't like Hannah Montana though, and I can see why people would call it the downfall of DC.

So yeah, 2006 was the transition year for Disney channel.


Yep pretty much this! 2006 was a transitional time for the network, similar to how 1998 was to Nickelodeon or 2004 was for Cartoon Network. It was the transition from the Golden Age into the Silver Age, or in the case for DC, its Bronze Age.

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Written By: YuYuYuuki on 02/27/17 at 7:01 pm

I still have a plush of Rocko that's in my attic.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/28/17 at 6:47 pm


I still have a plush of Rocko that's in my attic.


Rocko was my jam!

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Written By: mqg96 on 02/28/17 at 6:49 pm


Rocko was my jam!


I was about to ask, were reruns of Rocko's Modern Life still on Nickelodeon throughout 2000-2003?

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/28/17 at 6:52 pm

More early 2000's Nickelodeon goodness 8)

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Can you gives believe this is almost 16 years old :o !?


I was about to ask, were reruns of Rocko's Modern Life still on Nickelodeon throughout 2000-2003?


Yeah I remember watching it on U-Pick Live or on the weekends. It was definitely past its peak by then when it came to how often it was reran, like many of the other early-mid 90's Nicktoons.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 02/28/17 at 6:53 pm


Rocko was my jam!


Wild Thornberrys ftw!!!

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 02/28/17 at 6:55 pm


Wild Thornberrys ftw!!!


Not gonna lie, that show was pretty good! Very underrated IMO

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 02/28/17 at 7:19 pm


Not gonna lie, that show was pretty good! Very underrated IMO


I remember watching a few episodes of it, and it was my favorite Nicktoon from the 90s.

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Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 03/01/17 at 2:26 pm


Not gonna lie, that show was pretty good! Very underrated IMO


I agree that The Wild Thornberry's is somewhat of a forgotten and underrated show. It was actually one of the last Nicktoons that I remember watching on a consistent basis. By the end of 1998, I felt like I was getting a bit "too old" to watch Nick, and was starting to gravitate more towards Cartoon Network and it's more action oriented lineup. In many ways, though, The Wild Thornberry's is something of an action cartoon, so I still liked watching it even after I'd gotten addicted to Toonami.

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Written By: Zelek3 on 03/01/17 at 3:37 pm


I was about to ask, were reruns of Rocko's Modern Life still on Nickelodeon throughout 2000-2003?

Rocko was rerun on Nick frequently from 2000 to 2004, and then sporadically until 2007.

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Written By: Zelek3 on 03/29/17 at 12:59 am

In case you guys are interested, here is a VHS recording of the High School Musical's premiere. This video showcases the PRECISE midway point between Golden Age Disney Channel and silver/bronze age Disney Channel.

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Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 03/29/17 at 12:44 pm


In case you guys are interested, here is a VHS recording of the High School Musical's premiere. This video showcases the PRECISE midway point between Golden Age Disney Channel and silver/bronze age Disney Channel.

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Yeah thanks for the upload! I vividly remember seeing promos for High School Musical and DC hyping this up to be the Second Coming. FWIW, I thought HSM was a decent DCOM, but I agree its massively overrated and (unintentionally) sparked Disney's obsession with music orientated content during the Late 2000's through the present. Its weird looking back, from the exact context of Disney Channel at that time, the channel was still pretty good, during that exact time period the video was posted. However, when looking back this was probably the start of the end. Regardless, the 2005-06' season was still part of DC's golden age, but the premiere of HSM and (definitely) Hannah Montana was definitely signs of things coming to an end

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Written By: mqg96 on 03/29/17 at 2:49 pm


Yeah thanks for the upload! I vividly remember seeing promos for High School Musical and DC hyping this up to be the Second Coming. FWIW, I thought HSM was a decent DCOM, but I agree its massively overrated and (unintentionally) sparked Disney's obsession with music orientated content during the Late 2000's through the present. Its weird looking back, from the exact context of Disney Channel at that time, the channel was still pretty good, during that exact time period the video was posted. However, when looking back this was probably the start of the end. Regardless, the 2005-06' season was still part of DC's golden age, but the premiere of HSM and (definitely) Hannah Montana was definitely signs of things coming to an end


Yeah, plus, you still had That's So Raven season 4 even though it wasn't as good as the first 3 seasons, the final episodes of Phil of the Future, and Suite Life of Zack & Cody season 2 was amazing and adventurous. Early 2006 was the last time Lizzie McGuire and Even Stevens reruns were around. 2006 was the beginning of the end for Disney Channel but it still maintained one more good year of programming and movies. 2007 is when the transition was complete and everything collapsed.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/29/17 at 3:14 pm


Yeah thanks for the upload! I vividly remember seeing promos for High School Musical and DC hyping this up to be the Second Coming. FWIW, I thought HSM was a decent DCOM, but I agree its massively overrated and (unintentionally) sparked Disney's obsession with music orientated content during the Late 2000's through the present. Its weird looking back, from the exact context of Disney Channel at that time, the channel was still pretty good, during that exact time period the video was posted. However, when looking back this was probably the start of the end. Regardless, the 2005-06' season was still part of DC's golden age, but the premiere of HSM and (definitely) Hannah Montana was definitely signs of things coming to an end


Yeah, plus, you still had That's So Raven season 4 even though it wasn't as good as the first 3 seasons, the final episodes of Phil of the Future, and Suite Life of Zack & Cody season 2 was amazing and adventurous. Early 2006 was the last time Lizzie McGuire and Even Stevens reruns were around. 2006 was the beginning of the end for Disney Channel but it still maintained one more good year of programming and movies. 2007 is when the transition was complete and everything collapsed.

I agree with you guys on some points. For me personally, Disney Channel fully fell into the toilet in 2009 and the last time I watched Disney Channel regularly was 2009. I will admit that even though I am a fan of High School Musical (the first 2 films, still haven't seen the 3rd one even though it came out in 2008), HSM (along with Hannah Montana) gave way to the current Disney Channel that we see today. The current Disney Channel that is over-saturated with music oriented tween & teen movies, bad sitcoms with stupid plots. Ironically, my guilty pleasure growing up was watching Hannah Montana (until after the movie in 2009) but I mainly watched it because I had a crush on Miley Cyrus back then (I'm sorry  ;D).

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/29/17 at 3:22 pm


I agree with you guys on some points. For me personally, Disney Channel fully fell into the toilet in 2009 and the last time I watched Disney Channel regularly was 2009. I will admit that even though I am a fan of High School Musical (the first 2 films, still haven't seen the 3rd one even though it came out in 2008), HSM (along with Hannah Montana) gave way to the current Disney Channel that we see today. The current Disney Channel that is over-saturated with music oriented tween & teen movies, bad sitcoms with stupid plots. Ironically, my guilty pleasure growing up was watching Hannah Montana (until after the movie in 2009) but I mainly watched it because I had a crush on Miley Cyrus back then (I'm sorry  ;D).


The last time I watched Disney Channel was possibly in 2008. It was mostly because of Hannah Montana, but they didn't really air a lot of good stuff at the time.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/29/17 at 3:28 pm


The last time I watched Disney Channel was possibly in 2008. It was mostly because of Hannah Montana, but they didn't really air a lot of good stuff at the time.

Yeah, Disney Channel was just golden from 1997-2005/2006.

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Written By: mqg96 on 03/29/17 at 3:32 pm


Yeah, Disney Channel was just golden from 1997-2005/2006.


I say its original movies were in its golden age from 1997-2006, but the channel itself in terms of original programming was in its golden age from 2002-2006. Throughout late 2006 and early 2007 that was the silver age coming in full effect. When Kim Possible and That's So Raven ended in 2007 that marked the official end.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/29/17 at 3:34 pm


Yeah, Disney Channel was just golden from 1997-2005/2006.


To me the golden age ended around the summer of 2006, when the Lilo and Stitch TV series ended with Leroy and Stitch.

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Written By: mqg96 on 03/29/17 at 3:39 pm


To me the golden age ended around the summer of 2006, when the Lilo and Stitch TV series ended with Leroy and Stitch.


Yeah, to be accurate Fall 2002 through Summer 2006 was the main phase of the golden age. Somewhere around 1997 through Summer 2002 was the Vault/Zoog era which was the transition from the network being premium to the network becoming basic cable and more of a tween girl network. Although, even though Disney Channel was more girly at least the sitcoms and original movies pre-2006 had diversity and were more family oriented. The majority of the shows and movies focused on original creativity rather than just plain music all the time. Cheetah Girls from 2003 was the first movie to start this trend, but when High School Musical and Hannah Montana came out Disney Channel became non-stop with the formula. Plus, Disney Channel had more original cartoons throughout its golden era too. 

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/29/17 at 3:41 pm


I say its original movies were in its golden age from 1997-2006, but the channel itself in terms of original programming was in its golden age from 2002-2006. Throughout late 2006 and early 2007 that was the silver age coming in full effect. When Kim Possible and That's So Raven ended in 2007 that marked the official end.

That's a very accurate statement. Disney Channel's best shows were from the 2001/2002-2006 period but it's best movies extended a bit from 1997-2006. No disagreement here.


Yeah, to be accurate Fall 2002 through Summer 2006 was the main phase of the golden age. Somewhere around 1997 through Summer 2002 was the Vault/Zoog era which was the transition from premium Disney Channel to the network becoming basic cable and more of a tween girl network. Although, even though Disney Channel was more girly at least the sitcoms and original movies pre-2006 had diversity and were more family oriented. The majority of the shows and movies focused on original creativity rather than just plan music all the time. Cheetah Girls from 2003 was the first movie to start this trend, but when High School Musical and Hannah Montana came out Disney Channel became non-stop with the formula. Plus, Disney Channel had more original cartoons throughout its golden era too. 

Wow, that is spot on. Disney just had the perfect formula and then they f*cked it up.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/29/17 at 3:44 pm


Wow, that is spot on. Disney just had the perfect formula and then they f*cked it up.


Well, it didn't really matter if they moderated the formula once in a while. But they used it non-stop because they wanted the money, and its main division wasn't so good back in the 2000s. Most people were expecting Pixar to make great movies as they did throughout the decade. It wasn't until 2009 when they finally reached back into the movie industry with Princess and the Frog, and they ignored most of Disney Channel's crap ever since.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/29/17 at 3:46 pm


Well, it didn't really matter if they moderated the formula once in a while. But they used it non-stop because they wanted the money, and its main division wasn't so good back in the 2000s. Most people were expecting Pixar to make great movies as they did throughout the decade. It wasn't until 2009 when they finally reached back into the movie industry with Princess and the Frog, and they ignored most of Disney Channel's crap ever since.

Well, I was talking about Disney Channel but I agree with your assessment on the company Disney as well  ;D ;D.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 04/02/17 at 9:54 pm


Yeah, plus, you still had That's So Raven season 4 even though it wasn't as good as the first 3 seasons, the final episodes of Phil of the Future, and Suite Life of Zack & Cody season 2 was amazing and adventurous. Early 2006 was the last time Lizzie McGuire and Even Stevens reruns were around. 2006 was the beginning of the end for Disney Channel but it still maintained one more good year of programming and movies. 2007 is when the transition was complete and everything collapsed.


All of this perfectly describe 4th grade to me :\'(

Question for Zelek & MQG, since we're around the same age, don't you feel that this was probably the last core childhood school year for us? Also isn't it kinda weird that our core childhoods ended right when the classic 2000's (aka the XTREME/BADASS part of the NARLEY NOUGHTIES) ended?



Well, it didn't really matter if they moderated the formula once in a while. But they used it non-stop because they wanted the money, and its main division wasn't so good back in the 2000s. Most people were expecting Pixar to make great movies as they did throughout the decade. It wasn't until 2009 when they finally reached back into the movie industry with Princess and the Frog, and they ignored most of Disney Channel's crap ever since.


Pretty much. Pixar sort of took the spot light during the 2000's when the main Disney animated studios were struggling.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/02/17 at 10:03 pm


Question for Zelek & MQG, since we're around the same age, don't you feel that this was probably the last core childhood school year for us? Also isn't it kinda weird that our core childhoods ended right when the classic 2000's (aka the XTREME/BADASS part of the NARLEY NOUGHTIES) ended?

Yes

I didn't realize it at the time though, because I was still surrounded by core 00s things for a few more years after that. For instance, we still had an original Xbox in 2006-2008 and didn't even get a 360 until 2009.

I also still watched some movies we had on VHS at the time, which we didn't even get rid of until 2008. My family is not the richest.

And I still remember revisiting early/core 2000s childhood movies like the Star Wars prequels (sue me), Kangaroo Jack (sue me), Shrek, Spider Man, and Spy Kids (sue me) on TV or DVD at the time in the late 00s, and not really noticing how dated they were yet. Well, I sort of noticed it, but it didn't totally dawn upon me yet.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Looney Toon on 04/02/17 at 10:08 pm


All of this perfectly describe 4th grade to me :\'(

Question for Zelek & MQG, since we're around the same age, don't you feel that this was probably the last core childhood school year for us? Also isn't it kinda weird that our core childhoods ended right when the classic 2000's (aka the XTREME/BADASS part of the NARLEY NOUGHTIES) ended?


Narly Noughties is a term I need to start using since it rolls off the tongue quite easily.

*In manly voice over*
"WELCOME TO THE XTTTREEEEEMMMMMMEEE MILLENNIUM!"

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/02/17 at 10:09 pm

"Narly" is spelled with a "G" at the start.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/03/17 at 7:05 am


Pretty much. Pixar sort of took the spot light during the 2000's when the main Disney animated studios were struggling.


At least it did show that Disney could be successful, even at some of their darkest times.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/03/17 at 7:07 am


I also still watched some movies we had on VHS at the time, which we didn't even get rid of until 2008. My family is not the richest.

And I still remember revisiting early/core 2000s childhood movies like the Star Wars prequels (sue me), Kangaroo Jack (sue me), Shrek, Spider Man, and Spy Kids (sue me) on TV or DVD at the time in the late 00s, and not really noticing how dated they were yet. Well, I sort of noticed it, but it didn't totally dawn upon me yet.


So you still had a VCR until 2008? Lucky. My family threw it out in early 2009, even though we haven't used it since 2007 at the time.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 04/03/17 at 8:59 pm


At least it did show that Disney could be successful, even at some of their darkest times.


Ehh most of the Disney 2000's films are pretty forgettable (some of them for good reason). However, Pixar was killing it back then! Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles 8)



So you still had a VCR until 2008? Lucky. My family threw it out in early 2009, even though we haven't used it since 2007 at the time.


My family still has a VCR-DVD combo

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/03/17 at 9:01 pm


Ehh most of the Disney 2000's films are pretty forgettable (some of them for good reason). However, Pixar was killing it back then! Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles 8)


Yeah, I meant that for Pixar. Obviously, Disney wasn't doing as great during the 2000s.


My family still has a VCR-DVD combo


My friend still has one in his house.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 04/03/17 at 9:08 pm


Yeah, I meant that for Pixar. Obviously, Disney wasn't doing as great during the 2000s.


Lol my bad.


My friend still has one in his house.

Thats wassup! I like the fact that we still have a combo at our house. We still have plenty of tapes at home so its good we have the hardware to occasionally watch them. Besides I've always been more of a fan of physical media (CDs, DVDs, etc.)

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/03/17 at 9:09 pm


Thats wassup! I like the fact that we still have a combo at our house. We still have plenty of tapes at home so its good we have the hardware to occasionally watch them. Besides I've always been more of a fan of physical media (CDs, DVDs, etc.)


I would've love to watch some VHS tapes if my dad didn't threw out my family's VCR. I did have another one in my room, but it was broken and couldn't play any tapes.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 04/03/17 at 9:10 pm


I would've love to watch some VHS tapes if my dad didn't threw out my family's VCR. I did have another one in my room, but it was broken and couldn't play any tapes.


Damn that sucks....

If you ever want to get a VCR I'm sure you could find one pretty cheap on Ebay or something.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/03/17 at 9:14 pm


Damn that sucks....

If you ever want to get a VCR I'm sure you could find one pretty cheap on Ebay or something.


If I had an eBay account, then I would've bought a VCR that was worth my money. But even if I did have one, I would use it to convert my VHS tapes into DVDs. Especially on ones that I never saw in over a decade.

Subject: Re: Golden Age Disney Channel (1997-2006) vs. Golden Age Nickelodeon (1991-1998)

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 04/03/17 at 9:18 pm


If I had an eBay account, then I would've bought a VCR that was worth my money. But even if I did have one, I would use it to convert my VHS tapes into DVDs. Especially on ones that I never saw in over a decade.


Yep thats a good point. Yeah you should consider it, its pretty cost effective and its a good way to preserve your memories

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