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Subject: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/20/17 at 1:04 am

I was on a road trip this weekend and listened through my 2008 music library.  I do know that towards the end of the year, electropop began to emerge with Katy Perry and Lady Gaga, but these shined more in 2009 which did in fact have a lot more early '10s characteristics, especially during the second half.

In areas other than music, 2008 definitely has more ties to the '00s than the '10s.  Bush was still in office.  The tablet/smartphone revolution had not taken place yet with the exception of the iPhone, which was a novelty item in 2008.  Nobody was talking about hipsters yet.  Emo was past its peak but still relevant and its cousin, scene style, was still overwhelmingly popular for teen and twentysomething guys.  2008 was the year of the "Bieber cut" before Bieber came on the scene to make the style no longer fashionable.  I would say well over half of the guys I knew in their late teens or early twenties had that haircut.  Social media was divided between MySpace and Facebook.  YouTube was still the '00s YouTube...mostly home videos as opposed to the commercial/professional content that dominates it today.  Computing was done mostly on Windows XP with some Vista.  By and large, 2008 had more in common with 2004 than 2011 in many areas of culture.

The examples people usually give for 2008 being a '10s year goes back to the music.  Like I said, yes, electropop was taking off towards the end of the year but it in no way dominated the year like it did in 2009.  Here are a few examples of songs that were popular and that I listened to in 2008.  Most of these would have never been popular in 2010.

pLogqyfUHHs

6J1-eYBbspA

GcNiKCmWdYE

qP6JDLQF23g

J3UjJ4wKLkg

XqTzrUJNtyU

nQJACVmankY

koVHN6eO4Xg - This one samples the 2005 viral sensation "Numa numa"

These are just a few songs from 2008 that scream '00s and would sound out of place in the '10s...even as early '10s as 2010 or 2011.

Thoughts?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Philip Eno on 03/20/17 at 1:08 am

True that! 2010 was!

Btw, too many videos on one reply slows the downloading of the page.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/20/17 at 1:17 am

I also want to add that 2008 is the most recent year that truly feels "old school."  It feels like another world.  2009-12 feel dated but they don't feel completely irrelevant to today's culture.  The mid '10s are closer to the early '10s in culture than the early '10s were to the core '00s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/20/17 at 2:36 am


I also want to add that 2008 is the most recent year that truly feels "old school."  It feels like another world.  2009-12 feel dated but they don't feel completely irrelevant to today's culture.  The mid '10s are closer to the early '10s in culture than the early '10s were to the core '00s.

Eh, I think 2006 was the last old school year.

As you and others on this forum have mentioned, 2006 was the LAST year where you could still get away with certain late 90s/early 00s fashion, such as khaki cargo pants, the last year where you could still buy a CD from Sam Goody or Wherehouse Music, the last where you could still shop at CompUSA and Circuit City, the last year where you had a somewhat fair chance of meeting someone who still had dial-up internet, the last year where Pluto was a planet, the last year of early 2000s shows such as Malcolm in the Middle (even in the 2006 episodes, the characters still had spiked hair and played their Game Boy Colors with Ska Punk on the soundtrack!), Bernie Mac Show, That's 70 Show, West Wing, Will & Grace, Inuyasha, Arrested Development, Teen Titans, etc., the last year of UPN and WB, the last year of classic ABC sports, the last real year of 6th gen gaming, the last full year with a good economy, the last year of the 00s where Republicans had control of Congress, etc.

Yes, Jordan is right - we DO treat 2006 like it's the center of the universe, but for good reason! ;D 2006 is like the inter-dimensional time rift separating Universe A from Universe B.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/20/17 at 2:39 am

I would have to agree with you. 2008 was the last year of the core 2000s. You could see the start of the early 2010s. However, 2008 was still the core 2000s, just in it's last breath.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/20/17 at 2:41 am


Eh, I think 2006 was the last old school year.

As you and others on this forum have mentioned, 2006 was the LAST year where you could still get away with certain late 90s/early 00s fashion, such as khaki cargo pants, the last year where you could still buy a CD from Sam Goody or Wherehouse Music, the last where you could still shop at CompUSA and Circuit City, the last year where you had a somewhat fair chance of meeting someone who still had dial-up internet, the last year where Pluto was a planet, the last year of early 2000s shows such as Malcolm in the Middle (even in the 2006 episodes, the characters still had spiked hair and played their Game Boy Colors with Ska Punk on the soundtrack!), Bernie Mac Show, That's 70 Show, West Wing, Will & Grace, Inuyasha, Arrested Development, Teen Titans, etc., the last year of UPN and WB, the last year of classic ABC sports, the last real year of 6th gen gaming, the last full year with a good economy, the last year of the 00s where Republicans had control of Congress, etc.

Yes, Jordan is right - we DO treat 2006 like it's the center of the universe, but for good reason! ;D 2006 is like the inter-dimensional time rift separating Universe A from Universe B.

2006 is the last old school year but 2008 is the closest year that I have nostalgia for.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/20/17 at 6:11 am

Frankly, it's debatable to see 2008 as either a late 2000s or early 2010s year. Everyone at the time was occupied with the year's election, while they started to become more positive with the Democratic Party (at least for those in America).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/20/17 at 7:10 am


Yes, Jordan is right - we DO treat 2006 like it's the center of the universe, but for good reason! ;D 2006 is like the inter-dimensional time rift separating Universe A from Universe B.


Instead of talking about decades that ruled and the things we liked about them, like the 80's and 90's, you guys decide to focus on 2006 like it's the greatest thing in the world or something. Ridiculous. ::)

But now, oh boy, we have another pointless thread about how 2008 fits more into this category rather than that category! Another point that's been made 3,000 posts ago but has been revived for whatever reason. ::) ::) ::)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/20/17 at 7:14 am


Instead of talking about decades that ruled and the things we liked about them, like the 80's and 90's, you guys decide to focus on 2006 like it's the greatest thing in the world or something. Ridiculous. ::)

No, we focus on it like it's the worst thing in the world, because it killed everything we hold near and dear to us that 2004 hadn't killed already.

Bile fascination, they call it.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/20/17 at 7:15 am


No, we focus on it like it's the worst thing in the world, because it killed everything we hold near and dear to us.


Because 2005 was so much better. :P

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/20/17 at 7:17 am


Because 2005 was so much better. :P

2005 was one of the mightiest years, everyone except you seems to think so! ;D

Revenge of the Sith... Batman Begins... King Kong... last year with good hip-hop... W00T, go 2005 :)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/20/17 at 7:27 am

2008 gave us Super Smash Bros. Brawl so it's best forgotten.  :-X

But you're right that it's a 2000s year. I was still wearing boot cut jeans that year. Skinny jeans didn't happen until late 2009.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/20/17 at 7:34 am


2005 was one of the mightiest years, everyone except you seems to think so! ;D

Revenge of the Sith... Batman Begins... King Kong... last year with good hip-hop... W00T, go 2005 :)


Hip Hop was so bad in 2005... Zelek, come on!

The only good movie you mentioned was Batman Begins. Revenge was mediocre but better the other two, though. :P

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/20/17 at 7:40 am


Hip Hop was so bad in 2005... Zelek, come on!

The only good movie you mentioned was Batman Begins. Revenge was mediocre but better the other two, though. :P

On that note, Batman Begins is actually my favorite of the Nolan movies. Unlike the other two which felt a bit dull and overly-concerned with "gritty realism", this one felt more like a fantasy world (or a, y'know, comic book world :P), and imo it was all the better for it.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/20/17 at 7:42 am

2008 was the last full year the culture was predominantly 2000's. 2008 is a late 2000's year, but there's no doubt it was a huge transition year politically and pop culturally. The core 2000's were over by the end of 2007.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/20/17 at 7:48 am


I would have to agree with you. 2008 was the last year of the core 2000s. You could see the start of the early 2010s. However, 2008 was still the core 2000s, just in it's last breath.


2008 was late 2000's, but there's no way it was core 2000's anymore. That year was too much of a transition for it to be core. Sure, Bush was still in office, but core 2000's music was past its prime and a lot of core 2000's TV shows had just ended the previous year. 6th generation gaming was over and 7th generation gaming had already became the norm. While 2008 was still late 2000's, a lot of early 2010's influences did start coming as early as late 2007 or 2008, whether it was shows like Phineas & Ferb, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, The Big Bang Theory, the Twilight Saga beginning, or movies like Iron Man or The Incredible Hulk that kicked off the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 2008-early 2009 were late 2000's cultural years on the outside of the core 2000's just like late 2001-2002 were early 2000's cultural years on the outside of the core 2000's.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: aja675 on 03/20/17 at 8:29 am

I recall that most people that year were still listening to '00s-style hip-hop, Stargate-produced R&B ballads, and emo. 

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/20/17 at 10:20 am


Hip Hop was so bad in 2005... Zelek, come on!

The only good movie you mentioned was Batman Begins. Revenge was mediocre but better the other two, though. :P


Bruh, 2005 had more than just Batman Begins. We also had two System of a Down albums released that year (Hypnotize and Mezmerize).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/20/17 at 10:33 am


I recall that most people that year were still listening to '00s-style hip-hop, Stargate-produced R&B ballads, and emo.


This.

Lady Gaga was a rising star during the second half, but GagaMania was more of a 2009 thing.  I think people tend to group 2008 with the early '10s because of the things that debuted that year were things that would have a greater impact on the '10s than the '00s.  However, the established culture was still very much '00s.  I think a lot of people would actually be shocked by how dated the year was if they were teleported back there.

Remember that most of society isn't on the cutting edge of pop culture.  One example is if you had an iPhone in 2007 or 2008, you were either wealthy or a geek.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/20/17 at 10:47 am


This.

Lady Gaga was a rising star during the second half, but GagaMania was more of a 2009 thing.  I think people tend to group 2008 with the early '10s because of the things that debuted that year were things that would have a greater impact on the '10s than the '00s.  However, the established culture was still very much '00s.  I think a lot of people would actually be shocked by how dated the year was if they were teleported back there.

Remember that most of society isn't on the cutting edge of pop culture.  One example is if you had an iPhone in 2007 or 2008, you were either wealthy or a geek.


Or you're devoted to Apple so much, that you would buy their newest products by every minute. Even though that wouldn't be me, since I was more into Windows PCs by the time the iPhone was released in mid 2007.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/20/17 at 4:26 pm


2008 was late 2000's, but there's no way it was core 2000's anymore. That year was too much of a transition for it to be core. Sure, Bush was still in office, but core 2000's music was past its prime and a lot of core 2000's TV shows had just ended the previous year. 6th generation gaming was over and 7th generation gaming had already became the norm. While 2008 was still late 2000's, a lot of early 2010's influences did start coming as early as late 2007 or 2008, whether it was shows like Phineas & Ferb, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, The Big Bang Theory, the Twilight Saga beginning, or movies like Iron Man or The Incredible Hulk that kicked off the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 2008-early 2009 were late 2000's cultural years on the outside of the core 2000's just like late 2001-2002 were early 2000's cultural years on the outside of the core 2000's.

Of course 2008 was the late 2000s, who said that it wasn't?. By last year of the core 2000s, I meant culturally and politically not about what 2008 set up in the future (early 2010s culture).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/20/17 at 4:40 pm


Of course 2008 was the late 2000s, who said that it wasn't?. By last year of the core 2000s, I meant culturally and politically not about what 2008 set up in the future (early 2010s culture).


Exactly, that's why it's not core 2000's anymore. Core 2000's means CORE 2000's, when it's 85-100% peak of 2000's culture only and no early 2010's influences found at the time and no late 90's influences at all either. There's a reason 2003-2007 are called the CORE 2000's, and not late 2001-2002 or 2008-early 2009 despite those still being 2000's cultural years. 2008 is still late 2000's but it's not core anymore because while it was still predominantly 2000's culture things were transitioning into early 2010's culture especially by the 2nd half of the year. If you're confused, 2003 is the only early 2000's year that belongs to the core 2000's, while 2007 is the only late 2000's year that belongs to core 2000's. The rest of the core 2000's years belong to mid 2000's culture.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/20/17 at 4:51 pm


Exactly, that's why it's not core 2000's anymore. Core 2000's means CORE 2000's, when it's 85-100% peak of 2000's culture only and no early 2010's influences found at the time and no late 90's influences at all either. There's a reason 2003-2007 are called the CORE 2000's, and not late 2001-2002 or 2008-early 2009 despite those still being 2000's cultural years. 2008 is still late 2000's but it's not core anymore because while it was still predominantly 2000's culture things were transitioning into early 2010's culture especially by the 2nd half of the year. If you're confused, 2003 is the only early 2000's year that belongs to the core 2000's, while 2007 is the only late 2000's year that belongs to core 2000's. The rest of the core 2000's years belong to mid 2000's culture.

I already know this. The thread is about whether 2008 is early 2010s year or not and 2008 is NOT a early 2010s year. Of course being the 2nd to last year of the 2000s, you started to see bits of the early 2010s in 2008. However, 2008 was DEFINITELY not the start of the early 2010s (2009 was). 2008 was the full CULTURAL and POLITICAL year of the 2000s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/20/17 at 4:54 pm


I already know this. The thread is about whether 2008 is early 2010s year or not and 2008 is NOT a early 2010s year. Of course being the 2nd to last year of the 2000s, you started to see bits of the early 2010s in 2008. However, 2008 was DEFINITELY not the start of the early 2010s (2009 was). 2008 was the full CULTURAL and POLITICAL year of the 2000s.


I'm not arguing that 2008 wasn't a 2000's year. You started seeing bits of the early 2010's since late 2007 actually (as I've already stated), but that didn't make an early 2010's year, and I'm fully aware early 2010's culture became dominant by fall 2009. All I'm trying to tell you is that 2008 was not core 2000's, 2007 was the final core 2000's year. You might as well include 2001 or 2002 as core 2000's years if you include 2008 in there.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/20/17 at 4:57 pm


I'm not arguing that 2008 wasn't a 2000's year, hell, you started seeing bits of the early 2010's since late 2007 actually (as I've already stated), but that didn't make an early 2010's year, and I'm fully aware early 2010's culture became dominant by fall 2009. All I'm trying to tell you is that 2008 was not core 2000's, 2007 was the final core 2000's year. You might as well include 2001 or 2002 as core 2000's years if you include 2008 in there.

Yeah, we agree with each other. When I said core I meant similar to but you know whatever. We agree and that's it.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/20/17 at 4:59 pm


I already know this. The thread is about whether 2008 is early 2010s year or not and 2008 is NOT a early 2010s year. Of course being the 2nd to last year of the 2000s, you started to see bits of the early 2010s in 2008. However, 2008 was DEFINITELY not the start of the early 2010s (2009 was). 2008 was the full CULTURAL and POLITICAL year of the 2000s.


I think what mqg96 said doesn't need to be taken seriously. 2008 to me was a full on cultural and political year within its decade. HOWEVER, by the time we got into November of 2008, everybody knew that Obama would be our president. Although from my perspective, I never CARED for Obama being elected. I had NO knowledge on what's going on politically (considering I was 8-9 in 2008), and it just doesn't seem like something that I would recall deeply.

Not everything between you and mqg96's perspective is a fact beyond this website. It's basically just trivial stuff that nobody would find as important. It's just opinions. Much like how I think 2003-2008 (and early 2009) were the happiest years of my life, since I was a child during those years.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/20/17 at 5:04 pm


I think what mqg96 said doesn't need to be taken seriously. 2008 to me was a full on cultural and political year within its decade. HOWEVER, by the time we got into November of 2008, everybody knew that Obama would be our president. Although from my perspective, I never CARED for Obama being elected. I had NO knowledge on what's going on politically (considering I was 8-9 in 2008), and it just doesn't seem like something that I would recall deeply.


Yeah, if someone says 2003 is a mid 2000's year I don't really care anymore lol. 2008 will always be remembered more for Obama's election "Yes We Can!" (which is a late 2000's thing) even though Bush was in office. Think of how 2016 went, people were thinking about Trump vs. Hillary all year long. 2016 will be remembered for Trump's election more than Obama still being in office similar to 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/20/17 at 5:05 pm


I think what mqg96 said doesn't need to be taken seriously. 2008 to me was a full on cultural and political year within its decade. HOWEVER, by the time we got into November of 2008, everybody knew that Obama would be our president. Although from my perspective, I never CARED for Obama being elected. I had NO knowledge on what's going on politically (considering I was 8-9 in 2008), and it just doesn't seem like something that I would recall deeply.

Not everything between you and mqg96's perspective is a fact beyond this website. It's basically just trivial stuff that nobody would find as important. It's just opinions. Much like how I think 2003-2008 (and early 2009) were the happiest years of my life, since I was a child during those years.


Yeah, we agree with each other. When I said core I meant similar to but you know whatever. We agree and that's it.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/20/17 at 5:11 pm


Yeah, if someone says 2003 is a mid 2000's year I don't really care anymore lol. 2008 will always be remembered more for Obama's election "Yes We Can!" (which is a late 2000's thing) even though Bush was in office. Think of how 2016 went, people were thinking about Trump vs. Hillary all year long. 2016 will be remembered for Trump's election more than Obama still being in office similar to 2008.


Except 2008 didn't really cause so much uproars with politicians. People at the time were more optimistic and cared about Obama during the year's election. It even got through kids at the time, even though we probably never knew why we wanted Obama as our president until later in our lives.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/20/17 at 5:14 pm


Except 2008 didn't really cause so much uproars with politicians. People at the time were more optimistic and cared about Obama during the year's election. It even got through kids at the time, even though we probably never knew why we wanted Obama as our president until later in our lives.

I agree. However, unlike what you said I was actually interested in the election in 2008 even though I was 8-9 years during 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/20/17 at 5:19 pm

I've been saying this for sometime. I realized a few years ago that 2008 (and half of 2009) were still 00s to the end, and not early 10s that most people make it out to be.  There have many aspects I can name off, but it has been stated over and over that it doesn't need to be repeated again. There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned however, and that it was also pre-Drake. Yeah, he had the Comeback Season already, but remember just like Gaga, he truly didn't blow up until 2009 with his well-known track Best I've ever had.

Here are some songs that make 2008 sound in place.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1mU6h4Xdxc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSn53u6wEQ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB5e0zHRzHc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UWgRwVRbxc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWBE0sQC5L8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_weSk0BonM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b8erWuBA44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0vGsyprO54


Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/20/17 at 5:21 pm


Except 2008 didn't really cause so much uproars with politicians. People at the time were more optimistic and cared about Obama during the year's election. It even got through kids at the time, even though we probably never knew why we wanted Obama as our president until later in our lives.


Oh I knew at the time even when I was 12. It was the backlash against George Bush I remember the strong hatred he was getting for keeping the troops in Iraq for so long and the economy going downhill A.K.A. recession. There's some more to it but I'm not going to get into detail right now.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 03/20/17 at 7:05 pm

I think the issue that some people seem to not understand is that a decades 'Core' = 'Mid'. There two seperate entities, that generally do intersect, but should still be treated as such. For instance I tend to see 2003 (mostly) as a Core 2000's year, but that doesn't mean its an mid 2000's year like 2004-2006 mostly are. In a similar sense, I see 2007 as a Late 2000's Year but I view it still part of the Core of 2000's culture rather than most of 2008 and 2009.

If we're talking about 'full' years than the Core 2000's in my mind would be from 2004-2007. If were including various time periods at both the beginning and the end it would include, Mid-Late 2003 and Early 2008. From a school years perspective this is how It would look like starting from the 90's

1992-1993 through 1997-1998: Core 90's

-Definitive School Year: 1995-1996


1998-1999 through 2002-2003: Millennium Era (Not distinctly 90's or 00's)

-Definitive School Year: 2000-2001


2003-2004 through 2007-2008: Core 00's

-Definitive School Year: 2005-2006


2008-2009 through 2012-2013: Electropop Era (Not distinctly 00's or 10's)

-Definitive School Year: 2010-2011


2013-2014 through the present: Core 10's

-Definitive School Year: Either 2014-2015 or 2015-2016






Now if were looking at things from a chronological 'early', 'mid', or 'late' perspective than it would look like this:




September of 1991 (Release of Nevermind/Tail end of Cold War) through April 5th 1994 (Kurt Cobain's death): The Cultural Early 90's

-Definitive Year: 1992 (the year of The 92' Election, The LA Riots, and the peak of the 16 bit Console Wars)



Circa April 6th 1994 (After Kurt Cobain's death, the start of the Post-Grunge Era, Britpop becoming big with Ace of Base) through March 9th 1997 (death of Biggie Smalls, the disbandment of Soundgarden, and the international release of 'Wanna Be' by the Spice Girls): The Cultural Late 90's

-Definitive Year: 1995 (The year of The O.J Simpson Trial, OKC Bombing, and The Launch of Windows 95)



Circa March 10th 1997 (After the death of Biggie, the continued popularity of 5th generation game consoles like PS1 and N64, Teen Pop starting to get big) through September 10th 2001 (The day before everything changed): The Cultural Late 90's

-Definitive Year: 1999 (The year of The Y2K Bug, The Matrix, The peak of the Dot-Com Bubble, and the Launch of the Dreamcast)



September 11th 2001 (The day that changed everything, sparked the War on Terror, The Launch of the iPod, Xbox, Gamecube, and PS2 the new Console kings, Teen Pop slowly dying with Hip Hop/R&B influences from the Neptunes getting popular such as 'Im Real' by JLO featuring Ja Rule) through April 29th 2004 (One day before the release of the Mid 2000's cult classic Mean Girls, post 'Nipplegate', Iraq War starting to receive mainstream backlash resulting in Bush's first negative approval rating): The Cultural Early 00's


-Definitive Year: 2002 (Peak in PS2, Enron Scandal, Bush's high approval ratings)



Circa Mid 2004 (The release of Fahrenheit 9/11 which create more skepticism on the U.S govt., The Transition from Web 1.0 internet to Web 2.0 internet, successful release of Shrek 2 which is the final nail in the coffin for the era of 2D animation, end of CN/Nick's Golden/Silver Ages) through November 7th 2006 (Democrats win back Congress as the Bush administration's popularity reaches record lows, The iPod is officially a mainstay in American music culture): Cultural Mid 00's


Definitive Year: 2005 (MJ's second Child Abuse accusation trial, Green Day's American Idiot, Hurricane Katrina)



Circa Winter 2006/2007 (Launch of the Wii, HDTV's starting to become common, HD DVD vs. Blu Ray format wars starting, housing prices starting to rapidly fall, death of Saddam Hussein, announcement of iPhone) through January 20th 2009 (Inauguration of Barack Obama, Great Recession at its peak, electropop starting to become massively big with Lady Gaga's The Fame and The Black Eyed Pees' The E.N.D): The Cultural Late 00's

Definitive Year: 2008 (Bush's record low approval ratings, Iraq Troop Surge, Bankruptcy of Lehman Bros., 08' Election)




I would keep going but we all tend to agree with the formations of the 'early', 'mid', and 'late' 2010's so I'll spare you guys that!

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/20/17 at 7:21 pm

2008 isn't even close to being early '10s, culturally. Even by 2010, the vast bulk of things that defined the year looked quite dated. I can't imagine things like "Low," standard-def television shows, flip phones, MySpace, and emo still seeming current by that point in time.

Despite the Marvel Cinematic Universe technically beginning in 2008 with Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, the MCU wasn't a definite thing yet, and The Dark Knight, perhaps the quintessential superhero film of the 2000s, was the biggest blockbuster of the year. Television did already have a few significant shows to the 2010s, such as The Big Bang Theory, Mad Men, and Breaking Bad (far before its 2013 peak), but for the most part, it was still dominated by either distinctly 2000s programs like The Office, 24, Lost, and Friday Night Lights or more borderline 2000s/2010s ones like Dexter, 30 Rock, and frankly even Mad Men. Gaming was also on the cusp of 2000s/2010s, with a lean towards the former due to the identifiably 2000s DS and Wii being in their peaks and the 360 and PS3 not being firmly 2010s like their respective successors.

I don't even really think Lady Gaga's first album sounds all that 2010s; it's really more to the 2010s what The Cars' self-titled debut and Blondie's Parallel Lines were to the 80s - they may have been critical stepping stones towards the development of the upcoming decade's sound, but still they were dated even compared to what was typical early in the upcoming decade; just as Blondie's Eat to the Beat and Autoamerican were notably more advanced compared to Parallel Lines and The Cars' Candy-O, Panorama, and Shake It Up were far more comfortably 80s than their self-titled 1978 album, Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster and Born This Way are significantly more futuristic-sounding than The Fame was, despite representing the very beginning of the 2010s. Even with stylistically transitional songs like "Just Dance" and "Poker Face," other numbers from The Fame such as "Paparazzi," "Starstruck," and "LoveGame" are pretty much firmly late 2000s material, in contrast to something like The Fame Monster's "Alejandro," which still sounds quite current today (even though nothing being released comes anywhere close to rivaling its quality).

bchris02 also made a solid point about YouTube, that it was mostly dominated by home videos rather than professional channels. While Smosh, lonelygirl15, and the Angry Video Game Nerd were vital in establishing the website as a major outlet of entertainment, the latter two are pretty much solidly confined to the late 2000s (James is still active and has plenty of fans, but his prime was undoubtedly the late 2000s), while the former evolved into a dramatically different entity once the 2010s drew near and it became less homespun and more commercialized. 2010s YouTube is more represented by programs like ERBOH, Tobuscus, Honest Trailers, The Key of Awesome, PewDiePie, and GameGrumps, not so much the channels that took off in the late 2000s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/20/17 at 7:26 pm


2008 isn't even close to being early '10s, culturally. Even by 2010, the vast bulk of things that defined the year looked quite dated. I can't imagine things like "Low," standard-def television shows, flip phones, MySpace, and emo still seeming current by that point in time.

Despite the Marvel Cinematic Universe technically beginning in 2008 with Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, the MCU wasn't a definite thing yet, and The Dark Knight, perhaps the quintessential superhero film of the 2000s, was the biggest blockbuster of the year. Television did already have a few significant shows to the 2010s, such as The Big Bang Theory, Mad Men, and Breaking Bad (far before its 2013 peak), but for the most part, it was still dominated by either distinctly 2000s programs like The Office, 24, Lost, and Friday Night Lights or more borderline 2000s/2010s ones like Dexter, 30 Rock, and frankly even Mad Men. Gaming was also on the cusp of 2000s/2010s, with a lean towards the former due to the identifiably 2000s DS and Wii being in their peaks and the 360 and PS3 not being firmly 2010s like their respective successors.

I don't even really think Lady Gaga's first album sounds all that 2010s; it's really more to the 2010s what The Cars' self-titled debut and Blondie's Parallel Lines were to the 80s - they may have been critical stepping stones towards the development of the upcoming decade's sound, but still they were dated even compared to what was typical early in the upcoming decade; just as Blondie's Eat to the Beat and Autoamerican were notably more advanced compared to Parallel Lines and The Cars' Candy-O, Panorama, and Shake It Up were far more comfortably 80s than their self-titled 1978 album, Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster and Born This Way are significantly more futuristic-sounding than The Fame was, despite representing the very beginning of the 2010s. Even with stylistically transitional songs like "Just Dance" and "Poker Face," other numbers from The Fame such as "Paparazzi," "Starstruck," and "LoveGame" are pretty much firmly late 2000s material, in contrast to something like The Fame Monster's "Alejandro," which still sounds quite current today (even though nothing being released comes anywhere close to rivaling its quality).

bchris02 also made a solid point about YouTube, that it was mostly dominated by home videos rather than professional channels. While Smosh, lonelygirl15, and the Angry Video Game Nerd were vital in establishing the website as a major outlet of entertainment, the latter two are pretty much solidly confined to the late 2000s (James is still active and has plenty of fans, but his prime was undoubtedly the late 2000s), while the former evolved into a dramatically different entity once the 2010s drew near and it became less homespun and more commercialized. 2010s YouTube is more represented by programs like ERBOH, Tobuscus, Honest Trailers, The Key of Awesome, PewDiePie, and GameGrumps, not so much the channels that took off in the late 2000s.

I agree with you 100%.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/20/17 at 7:29 pm


bchris02 also made a solid point about YouTube, that it was mostly dominated by home videos rather than professional channels. While Smosh, lonelygirl15, and the Angry Video Game Nerd were vital in establishing the website as a major outlet of entertainment, the latter two are pretty much solidly confined to the late 2000s (James is still active and has plenty of fans, but his prime was undoubtedly the late 2000s), while the former evolved into a dramatically different entity once the 2010s drew near and it became less homespun and more commercialized. 2010s YouTube is more represented by programs like ERBOH, Tobuscus, Honest Trailers, The Key of Awesome, PewDiePie, and GameGrumps, not so much the channels that took off in the late 2000s.


Should I also take note that YouTube wasn't HD yet for most of 2008. It wasn't until the very end of 2008 (like December) when YouTube became HD which still applies to this day of course. One of the biggest factors of the early YouTube days from 2006-2008 is that it was standard definition and videos could not exceed 10 minutes.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/20/17 at 7:39 pm


I think the issue that some people seem to not understand is that a decades 'Core' = 'Mid'. There two seperate entities, that generally do intersect, but should still be treated as such. For instance I tend to see 2003 (mostly) as a Core 2000's year, but that doesn't mean its an mid 2000's year like 2004-2006 mostly are. In a similar sense, I see 2007 as a Late 2000's Year but I view it still part of the Core of 2000's culture rather than most of 2008 and 2009.

If we're talking about 'full' years than the Core 2000's in my mind would be from 2004-2007. If were including various time periods at both the beginning and the end it would include, Mid-Late 2003 and Early 2008. From a school years perspective this is how It would look like starting from the 90's

1992-1993 through 1997-1998: Core 90's

-Definitive School Year: 1995-1996


1998-1999 through 2002-2003: Millennium Era (Not distinctly 90's or 00's)

-Definitive School Year: 2000-2001


2003-2004 through 2007-2008: Core 00's

-Definitive School Year: 2005-2006


2008-2009 through 2012-2013: Electropop Era (Not distinctly 00's or 10's)

-Definitive School Year: 2010-2011


2013-2014 through the present: Core 10's

-Definitive School Year: Either 2014-2015 or 2015-2016






Now if were looking at things from a chronological 'early', 'mid', or 'late' perspective than it would look like this:




September of 1991 (Release of Nevermind/Tail end of Cold War) through April 5th 1994 (Kurt Cobain's death): The Cultural Early 90's

-Definitive Year: 1992 (the year of The 92' Election, The LA Riots, and the peak of the 16 bit Console Wars)



Circa April 6th 1994 (After Kurt Cobain's death, the start of the Post-Grunge Era, Britpop becoming big with Ace of Base) through March 9th 1997 (death of Biggie Smalls, the disbandment of Soundgarden, and the international release of 'Wanna Be' by the Spice Girls): The Cultural Late 90's

-Definitive Year: 1995 (The year of The O.J Simpson Trial, OKC Bombing, and The Launch of Windows 95)



Circa March 10th 1997 (After the death of Biggie, the continued popularity of 5th generation game consoles like PS1 and N64, Teen Pop starting to get big) through September 10th 2001 (The day before everything changed): The Cultural Late 90's

-Definitive Year: 1999 (The year of The Y2K Bug, The Matrix, The peak of the Dot-Com Bubble, and the Launch of the Dreamcast)



September 11th 2001 (The day that changed everything, sparked the War on Terror, The Launch of the iPod, Xbox, Gamecube, and PS2 the new Console kings, Teen Pop slowly dying with Hip Hop/R&B influences from the Neptunes getting popular such as 'Im Real' by JLO featuring Ja Rule) through April 29th 2004 (One day before the release of the Mid 2000's cult classic Mean Girls, post 'Nipplegate', Iraq War starting to receive mainstream backlash resulting in Bush's first negative approval rating): The Cultural Early 00's


-Definitive Year: 2002 (Peak in PS2, Enron Scandal, Bush's high approval ratings)



Circa Mid 2004 (The release of Fahrenheit 9/11 which create more skepticism on the U.S govt., The Transition from Web 1.0 internet to Web 2.0 internet, successful release of Shrek 2 which is the final nail in the coffin for the era of 2D animation, end of CN/Nick's Golden/Silver Ages) through November 7th 2006 (Democrats win back Congress as the Bush administration's popularity reaches record lows, The iPod is officially a mainstay in American music culture): Cultural Mid 00's


Definitive Year: 2005 (MJ's second Child Abuse accusation trial, Green Day's American Idiot, Hurricane Katrina)



Circa Winter 2006/2007 (Launch of the Wii, HDTV's starting to become common, HD DVD vs. Blu Ray format wars starting, housing prices starting to rapidly fall, death of Saddam Hussein, announcement of iPhone) through January 20th 2009 (Inauguration of Barack Obama, Great Recession at its peak, electropop starting to become massively big with Lady Gaga's The Fame and The Black Eyed Pees' The E.N.D): The Cultural Late 00's

Definitive Year: 2008 (Bush's record low approval ratings, Iraq Troop Surge, Bankruptcy of Lehman Bros., 08' Election)




I would keep going but we all tend to agree with the formations of the 'early', 'mid', and 'late' 2010's so I'll spare you guys that!

Just one little nitpick. The Black Eyed Peas released The E.N.D. after January 20, 2009. The album was released on June 3, 2009 and the album's most famous song Boom Boom Pow was released on March 31, 2009. However, other than that your assessment is pretty accurate.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/20/17 at 7:49 pm

I don't believe remembering Lady Gaga was that popular for most of 2008. I'd say she really became popular around October/November of 2008.  It takes time to build a fan base.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/20/17 at 8:34 pm


bchris02 also made a solid point about YouTube, that it was mostly dominated by home videos rather than professional channels. While Smosh, lonelygirl15, and the Angry Video Game Nerd were vital in establishing the website as a major outlet of entertainment, the latter two are pretty much solidly confined to the late 2000s (James is still active and has plenty of fans, but his prime was undoubtedly the late 2000s), while the former evolved into a dramatically different entity once the 2010s drew near and it became less homespun and more commercialized. 2010s YouTube is more represented by programs like ERBOH, Tobuscus, Honest Trailers, The Key of Awesome, PewDiePie, and GameGrumps, not so much the channels that took off in the late 2000s.


Except none of those channels from 2010s YouTube actually originated from the late 2000s. Most of them actually originated from the early 2010s, which kinda started a new era for YouTube by the time 2012 was around.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/20/17 at 8:40 pm


I don't believe remembering Lady Gaga was that popular for most of 2008. I'd say she really became popular around October/November of 2008.  It takes time to build a fan base.


Just Dance in the summer of 2008 was popular, but it was only one song. She really blew up with Poker Face in late 2008, but even then, I feel like she established herself as a big pop girl, rather than a standard-bearer of what's to come. It was until she came out with Bad Romance in late 2009 that I started seeing her being branded as a game-changer and "making pop artistic". Bad Romance was truly everywhere. Then the Gaga clones followed.

If I were to compare, I'd say Poker Face was like the Spice Girl's Wannabe of electropop, while Bad Romance was the Baby One More Time. :D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/20/17 at 11:34 pm


2008 isn't even close to being early '10s, culturally. Even by 2010, the vast bulk of things that defined the year looked quite dated. I can't imagine things like "Low," standard-def television shows, flip phones, MySpace, and emo still seeming current by that point in time.

Despite the Marvel Cinematic Universe technically beginning in 2008 with Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, the MCU wasn't a definite thing yet, and The Dark Knight, perhaps the quintessential superhero film of the 2000s, was the biggest blockbuster of the year. Television did already have a few significant shows to the 2010s, such as The Big Bang Theory, Mad Men, and Breaking Bad (far before its 2013 peak), but for the most part, it was still dominated by either distinctly 2000s programs like The Office, 24, Lost, and Friday Night Lights or more borderline 2000s/2010s ones like Dexter, 30 Rock, and frankly even Mad Men. Gaming was also on the cusp of 2000s/2010s, with a lean towards the former due to the identifiably 2000s DS and Wii being in their peaks and the 360 and PS3 not being firmly 2010s like their respective successors.

I don't even really think Lady Gaga's first album sounds all that 2010s; it's really more to the 2010s what The Cars' self-titled debut and Blondie's Parallel Lines were to the 80s - they may have been critical stepping stones towards the development of the upcoming decade's sound, but still they were dated even compared to what was typical early in the upcoming decade; just as Blondie's Eat to the Beat and Autoamerican were notably more advanced compared to Parallel Lines and The Cars' Candy-O, Panorama, and Shake It Up were far more comfortably 80s than their self-titled 1978 album, Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster and Born This Way are significantly more futuristic-sounding than The Fame was, despite representing the very beginning of the 2010s. Even with stylistically transitional songs like "Just Dance" and "Poker Face," other numbers from The Fame such as "Paparazzi," "Starstruck," and "LoveGame" are pretty much firmly late 2000s material, in contrast to something like The Fame Monster's "Alejandro," which still sounds quite current today (even though nothing being released comes anywhere close to rivaling its quality).

bchris02 also made a solid point about YouTube, that it was mostly dominated by home videos rather than professional channels. While Smosh, lonelygirl15, and the Angry Video Game Nerd were vital in establishing the website as a major outlet of entertainment, the latter two are pretty much solidly confined to the late 2000s (James is still active and has plenty of fans, but his prime was undoubtedly the late 2000s), while the former evolved into a dramatically different entity once the 2010s drew near and it became less homespun and more commercialized. 2010s YouTube is more represented by programs like ERBOH, Tobuscus, Honest Trailers, The Key of Awesome, PewDiePie, and GameGrumps, not so much the channels that took off in the late 2000s.


I agree with all of this 100%

I never thought about differences between the Fame and the Fame Monster but you are right on that.  The Fame Monster was a definite early '10s sounding album.  The Fame wasn't quite as much and was more in line with Britney Spears' Womanizer album.  Katy Perry's "One of the Boys" also was pre-electropop.  While the two big artists that came to dominate the '10s debuted in '08, even their music had more ties to the '00s at that time.

I think the MCU started to become a bigger deal around 2011 and its peak was in 2014-16 with Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers: The Age Of Ultron, and Captain America: Civil War.  I think the MCU's impact on pop culture has peaked and will fade by 2020.  There will still be MCU movies and they will be big, but it won't be what it was during the mid '10s.  Though it debuted in '08, as you said the Dark Knight was the defining superhero of the late '00s and MCU really wasn't on that many people's radar.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/20/17 at 11:38 pm


Should I also take note that YouTube wasn't HD yet for most of 2008. It wasn't until the very end of 2008 (like December) when YouTube became HD which still applies to this day of course. One of the biggest factors of the early YouTube days from 2006-2008 is that it was standard definition and videos could not exceed 10 minutes.


True.  I forgot about the 10 minute limit.  I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Internet connections were much slower then.  People think we jumped from dial-up to the high speed Internet we have today but it didn't work that way.  In 2008, the average speed was still between 3 and 15 Mbps.  Most people who didn't pay extra for faster tiers were down closer to 3 Mbps.  Today it's anywhere from 50-300 Mbps.  On a 3 Mbps connection, HD streaming just isn't going to work.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheEarly90sFan on 03/21/17 at 9:16 am


I think the issue that some people seem to not understand is that a decades 'Core' = 'Mid'. There two seperate entities, that generally do intersect, but should still be treated as such. For instance I tend to see 2003 (mostly) as a Core 2000's year, but that doesn't mean its an mid 2000's year like 2004-2006 mostly are. In a similar sense, I see 2007 as a Late 2000's Year but I view it still part of the Core of 2000's culture rather than most of 2008 and 2009.

If we're talking about 'full' years than the Core 2000's in my mind would be from 2004-2007. If were including various time periods at both the beginning and the end it would include, Mid-Late 2003 and Early 2008. From a school years perspective this is how It would look like starting from the 90's

1992-1993 through 1997-1998: Core 90's

-Definitive School Year: 1995-1996


1998-1999 through 2002-2003: Millennium Era (Not distinctly 90's or 00's)

-Definitive School Year: 2000-2001


2003-2004 through 2007-2008: Core 00's

-Definitive School Year: 2005-2006


2008-2009 through 2012-2013: Electropop Era (Not distinctly 00's or 10's)

-Definitive School Year: 2010-2011


2013-2014 through the present: Core 10's

-Definitive School Year: Either 2014-2015 or 2015-2016






Now if were looking at things from a chronological 'early', 'mid', or 'late' perspective than it would look like this:




September of 1991 (Release of Nevermind/Tail end of Cold War) through April 5th 1994 (Kurt Cobain's death): The Cultural Early 90's

-Definitive Year: 1992 (the year of The 92' Election, The LA Riots, and the peak of the 16 bit Console Wars)



Circa April 6th 1994 (After Kurt Cobain's death, the start of the Post-Grunge Era, Britpop becoming big with Ace of Base) through March 9th 1997 (death of Biggie Smalls, the disbandment of Soundgarden, and the international release of 'Wanna Be' by the Spice Girls): The Cultural Late 90's

-Definitive Year: 1995 (The year of The O.J Simpson Trial, OKC Bombing, and The Launch of Windows 95)



Circa March 10th 1997 (After the death of Biggie, the continued popularity of 5th generation game consoles like PS1 and N64, Teen Pop starting to get big) through September 10th 2001 (The day before everything changed): The Cultural Late 90's

-Definitive Year: 1999 (The year of The Y2K Bug, The Matrix, The peak of the Dot-Com Bubble, and the Launch of the Dreamcast)



September 11th 2001 (The day that changed everything, sparked the War on Terror, The Launch of the iPod, Xbox, Gamecube, and PS2 the new Console kings, Teen Pop slowly dying with Hip Hop/R&B influences from the Neptunes getting popular such as 'Im Real' by JLO featuring Ja Rule) through April 29th 2004 (One day before the release of the Mid 2000's cult classic Mean Girls, post 'Nipplegate', Iraq War starting to receive mainstream backlash resulting in Bush's first negative approval rating): The Cultural Early 00's


-Definitive Year: 2002 (Peak in PS2, Enron Scandal, Bush's high approval ratings)



Circa Mid 2004 (The release of Fahrenheit 9/11 which create more skepticism on the U.S govt., The Transition from Web 1.0 internet to Web 2.0 internet, successful release of Shrek 2 which is the final nail in the coffin for the era of 2D animation, end of CN/Nick's Golden/Silver Ages) through November 7th 2006 (Democrats win back Congress as the Bush administration's popularity reaches record lows, The iPod is officially a mainstay in American music culture): Cultural Mid 00's


Definitive Year: 2005 (MJ's second Child Abuse accusation trial, Green Day's American Idiot, Hurricane Katrina)



Circa Winter 2006/2007 (Launch of the Wii, HDTV's starting to become common, HD DVD vs. Blu Ray format wars starting, housing prices starting to rapidly fall, death of Saddam Hussein, announcement of iPhone) through January 20th 2009 (Inauguration of Barack Obama, Great Recession at its peak, electropop starting to become massively big with Lady Gaga's The Fame and The Black Eyed Pees' The E.N.D): The Cultural Late 00's

Definitive Year: 2008 (Bush's record low approval ratings, Iraq Troop Surge, Bankruptcy of Lehman Bros., 08' Election)




I would keep going but we all tend to agree with the formations of the 'early', 'mid', and 'late' 2010's so I'll spare you guys that!


1991 and 1992 were still Bush 41 years and that is what separates them from '93 and '94 in my book. 1993 and '94 are culturally mid '90s years.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: wixness on 03/21/17 at 1:36 pm

Yup. If they have that distinctly awful hairstyle that they wear in the 2010s, it's not 2008. Men were still wearing their hair long and down that year.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/21/17 at 5:25 pm


Yup. If they have that distinctly awful hairstyle that they wear in the 2010s, it's not 2008. Men were still wearing their hair long and down that year.


True, in 2008 this was everywhere.  In fact I consider this hairstyle a signature of 2008 men's fashion because so many guys were wearing it.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/36/b3/ba/36b3bacc6d2e5a14a2d9393435c3ef78.jpg

Over the course of 2010 and 2011, that style really faded out.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Lizardmatum on 03/21/17 at 5:34 pm



Lady Gaga was a rising star during the second half, but GagaMania was more of a 2009 thing.  I think people tend to group 2008 with the early '10s because of the things that debuted that year were things that would have a greater impact on the '10s than the '00s.  However, the established culture was still very much '00s.  I think a lot of people would actually be shocked by how dated the year was if they were teleported back there.



I agree with this fully. I think we would be shocked by how dated it is even though it doesn't feel THAT long ago but in reality it was 9 years ago!  :o

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/21/17 at 6:50 pm

I was just looking through videos of 2008 and one DISTINCT thing I notice is the lack of people looking down at their phones.  ;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/21/17 at 6:58 pm


I was just looking through videos of 2008 and one DISTINCT thing I notice is the lack of people looking down at their phones.  ;D


And nobody kept asking people if they were texting their bitches.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/21/17 at 7:09 pm


I was just looking through videos of 2008 and one DISTINCT thing I notice is the lack of people looking down at their phones.  ;D

I also recently saw a video of a concert in 2008 and no one had a smartphone. The people that had phones all had flip phones but also a lot of people in the crowd either didn't have a phone or didn't hold it up. It's crazy to think that 2008 was just 9 years ago.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: batfan2005 on 03/21/17 at 7:29 pm

I consider 2008 to be in the same era as 2005, for the most part. 2008 was the peak of that era, like the other Olympic/Presidential Election years. I'm very nostalgic for that year. It was a good time in my life.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/21/17 at 7:34 pm


I consider 2008 to be in the same era as 2005, for the most part. 2008 was the peak of that era, like the other Olympic/Presidential Election years. I'm very nostalgic for that year. It was a good time in my life.

Agreed, same here.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/22/17 at 12:50 am


I consider 2008 to be in the same era as 2005, for the most part. 2008 was the peak of that era, like the other Olympic/Presidential Election years. I'm very nostalgic for that year. It was a good time in my life.


I agree.  2008 was basically the finale of that era.  2009 completely changed things and set the tone for the next three years.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/22/17 at 7:36 am

Nah, 2008 wasn't part of the same era as 2005. 2005 was still mid 2000's and core 2000's. Now early-mid 2008 could be part of late 2000's like late 2006-2007 though. 2008 as a whole year definitely had a different vibe compared to 2004-2007 but at the same time it was still the last year 2000's culture was dominant. No one can deny that 2008 was a transitional year for pop culture, politics and society (we've mentioned the factors so many times so I'm not gonna bring it up again), but that transition continued on into 2009. 2008 & 2009 were both transitional years with 2008 leaning towards late 2000's culturally and 2009 leaning towards early 2010's culturally.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Looney Toon on 03/22/17 at 11:47 am


I also recently saw a video of a concert in 2008 and no one had a smartphone. The people that had phones all had flip phones but also a lot of people in the crowd either didn't have a phone or didn't hold it up. It's crazy to think that 2008 was just 9 years ago.


Yeah, despite what terrible Buzzfeed articles would for nearly all of the 2000s (if not all) people weren't cellphone crazed. Now teens wanted cell phones of course. This has been true since the 1990s. But they weren't as attached to phones until smartphones/tablets became the common thing among the public. However, this wouldn't be until sometime in the early 2010s. From 2000-2009 people liked having phones, but other than the occasional calling and texting they wouldn't be using it at all times.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/22/17 at 12:06 pm


Yeah, despite what terrible Buzzfeed articles would for nearly all of the 2000s (if not all) people weren't cellphone crazed. Now teens wanted cell phones of course. This has been true since the 1990s. But they weren't as attached to phones until smartphones/tablets became the common thing among the public. However, this wouldn't be until sometime in the early 2010s. From 2000-2009 people liked having phones, but other than the occasional calling and texting they wouldn't be using it at all times.

That was what Buzzfeed said like 6 years ago. Now, as much as I hate their site, Buzzfeed is thankfully seemingly recognizing the difference between the 2000s and 2010s, because all of their 2000s articles nowadays are about things like AIM or flip-phones.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Looney Toon on 03/22/17 at 12:22 pm


That was what Buzzfeed said like 6 years ago. Now, as much as I hate their site, Buzzfeed is thankfully seemingly recognizing the difference between the 2000s and 2010s, because all of their 2000s articles nowadays are about things like AIM or flip-phones.


That's good to hear. Either they got new artists who actually can remember key things of the 2000s or the writers from before decided to update their views/opinions on the 2000s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/22/17 at 12:27 pm

I think the 00s are developing their own identity and separating themselves from the 10s overtime (even the late 00s). Whereas in 2011, it was hard to tell what the 00s identity was because they had just ended.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 1:10 pm


I think the 00s are developing their own identity and separating themselves from the 10s overtime (even the late 00s). Whereas in 2011, it was hard to tell what the 00s identity was because they had just ended.

It USUALLY takes about 4-5 years before a decade take shape or forms it's own identity.  The cultural 1980s didn't take shape until 1983/1984 (ending in 1988). The cultural 1990s didn't take shape until 1993/1994 (ending in 1997). The cultural 2000s didn't take shape until 2003/2004 (ending in 2008). The cultural 2010s didn't take shape until 2013.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/22/17 at 1:36 pm


It USUALLY takes about 4-5 years before a decade take shape or forms it's own identity.  The cultural 1980s didn't take shape until 1983/1984 (ending in 1988). The cultural 1990s didn't take shape until 1993/1994 (ending in 1997). The cultural 2000s didn't take shape until 2003/2004 (ending in 2008). The cultural 2010s didn't take shape until 2013.


I disagree, I think the 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s had all developed pretty solid identities within their first few years. In 1980, Atari video games were gigantic, new wave was dominating rock, post-disco had overtaken regular disco, synthpop was really popular, tensions with the Soviets were renewed, and Thatcher was the British PM. In 1990 and 1991, the Cold War was over, house was a huge craze in music, television shows like The Simpsons, Seinfeld, Twin Peaks, In Living Color, and Beverly Hills 90210 were dominating the airwaves, and alternative music was on the rise. In 2000 and 2001, 9/11 happened and popular culture was pretty much entirely targetting millennials instead of Gen-X. At the beginning of the 2010s, electropop was dominating popular music, shows like Adventure Time and The Walking Dead made their debuts, iPhones became standard, and the social climate was quickly turning more activist in nature.

The only recent decade to take forever to develop its own identity, in my opinion, would be the 1960s. The entire first quarter of that decade was pretty much just a stagnation of late 50s culture, despite certain new shows and JFK becoming President. Late 1962 is really the earliest time the 60s had any truly distinct identity from the 50s (the first James Bond movie came out Bridgette Bardot replaced the late Marilyn Monroe as the primary fashion icon, next to Jackie Kennedy; the Beatles released their first single, Peter, Paul & Mary brought 60s-style folk to the mainstream, surf rock gives 60s rock and roll a thematic distinction from late 50s rock), but its identity wasn't truly evident until at least late 1963 or even 1964. In contast, there's no way I'd ever call 1982 a predominantly 70s year, 1992 80s, 2002 90s, or 2012 2000s.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 1:40 pm


I disagree, I think the 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s had all developed pretty solid identities within their first few years. In 1980, Atari video games were gigantic, new wave was dominating rock, post-disco had overtaken regular disco, synthpop was really popular, tensions with the Soviets were renewed, and Thatcher was the British PM. In 1990 and 1991, the Cold War was over, house was a huge craze in music, television shows like The Simpsons, Seinfeld, Twin Peaks, In Living Color, and Beverly Hills 90210 were dominating the airwaves, and alternative music was on the rise. In 2000 and 2001, 9/11 happened and popular culture was pretty much entirely targetting millennials instead of Gen-X. At the beginning of the 2010s, electropop was dominating popular music, shows like Adventure Time and The Walking Dead made their debuts, iPhones became standard, and the social climate was quickly turning more activist in nature.

The only recent decade to take forever to develop its own identity, in my opinion, would be the 1960s. The entire first quarter of that decade was pretty much just a stagnation of late 50s culture, despite certain new shows and JFK becoming President. Late 1962 is really the earliest time the 60s had any truly distinct identity from the 50s (the first James Bond movie came out Bridgette Bardot replaced the late Marilyn Monroe as the primary fashion icon, next to Jackie Kennedy; the Beatles released their first single, Peter, Paul & Mary brought 60s-style folk to the mainstream, surf rock gives 60s rock and roll a thematic distinction from late 50s rock), but its identity wasn't truly evident until at least late 1963 or even 1964. In contast, there's no way I'd ever call 1982 a predominantly 70s year, 1992 80s, 2002 90s, or 2012 2000s.

Notice, I said USUALLY not always. Also, I did not say that the traces of a decade can not be found in the early part but generally when we are talking about the decades, the cultural peak or years we think about the most when it comes to those decades (the 1980, 1990s, 2000s & 2010s) start in a year ending with 3 or 4.

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Written By: #Infinity on 03/22/17 at 2:03 pm


Notice, I said USUALLY not always.


That's not the point. You still implied that every single decade since the 80s took as long to develop itself as the 60s did. Just because there are a few leftover trends from the previous decade does not mean the current one has no identity yet. I knew, without a doubt, that I was in a different decade from the 2000s back when it was still 2010 because there was already so much relatively new culture that set the present era apart, even though fade tops, Netflix Original shows, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe weren't established yet. It's very different from 1961, a year during which there was hardly even a wink of anything distinguishable from 50s culture.

Also, I did not say that the traces of a decade can not be found in the early part but generally when we are talking about the decades, the cultural peak or years we think about the most when it comes to those decades (the 1980, 1990s, 2000s & 2010s) start in a year ending with 3 or 4.


There were lots of traces of 80s culture in 1979 and late 1978 (think new wave, Dallas, and Atari), traces of 90s culture in 1989 (house music was growing huge, Bush Sr. was President, Roseanne was on television, etc.), LOTS of traces of the 2000s in 1999 (anime, nu-metal, the Internet, The Sopranos, etc.), and plenty of 2010s influences in 2009 (Obama being President, the Great Recession being in full effect, technogy quickly modernizing, etc.). The difference is, like late 1962 through 1963, those incoming influences were not yet dominant. By the years ending in 1 and 2, perhaps even 0, for each decade you mentioned, it was already more than safe to say there was a different identity to the current popular culture.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 2:30 pm


That's not the point. You still implied that every single decade since the 80s took as long to develop itself as the 60s did. Just because there are a few leftover trends from the previous decade does not mean the current one has no identity yet. I knew, without a doubt, that I was in a different decade from the 2000s back when it was still 2010 because there was already so much relatively new culture that set the present era apart, even though fade tops, Netflix Original shows, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe weren't established yet. It's very different from 1961, a year during which there was hardly even a wink of anything distinguishable from 50s culture.

There were lots of traces of 80s culture in 1979 and late 1978 (think new wave, Dallas, and Atari), traces of 90s culture in 1989 (house music was growing huge, Bush Sr. was President, Roseanne was on television, etc.), LOTS of traces of the 2000s in 1999 (anime, nu-metal, the Internet, The Sopranos, etc.), and plenty of 2010s influences in 2009 (Obama being President, the Great Recession being in full effect, technogy quickly modernizing, etc.). The difference is, like late 1962 through 1963, those incoming influences were not yet dominant. By the years ending in 1 and 2, perhaps even 0, for each decade you mentioned, it was already more than safe to say there was a different identity to the current popular culture.

I'm talking about cultural peak of a decade NOT when the traces of another decade can be found. Of course in the last 2 years of a decade you will see trends that will continue into the new one. When you think about the 1960s do the years 1960-1962 pop up immediately? No, I bet not. I bet that the years 1963, 1964 and 1968 & 1969 pop up. When you think about the 1970s? Do the years 1970-1972 pop up first...NO. The years 1974, 1976-1979 pop up first. When you think about the 1980s which years pop up first? 1980-1982 or 1984-1987?. Probably, 1984-1997. When you think about the 90s which years pop up first? 1990-1992 or 1993-1997?. Probably 1993-1997. I can go on. I'm not saying that you can't see parts of a decades identity in it's earlier years but the cultural peak and when MOST people look back at the HEIGHT (PEAK) of a decades CULTURE, the earlier years usually don't pop up. Neon clothes, perms and bold, geometric print clothing (all continuations of late 1980s fashion trends) were popular in 1991 but definetly NOT 1996. That's my point.

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Written By: 80sfan on 03/22/17 at 2:38 pm

The 1970's felt pretty solid by 1972/1973.
You could definitely tell the 1970's was fading by 1982/1983.
You could tell that the 80's was fading by 1993.
The 00's was definitely different by 2003, even by 2002 you could tell that the 90's was fading.

It's rare that it takes until a '4' year for a decade to have a separate identity, I believe the 1960's is an exception.



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Written By: #Infinity on 03/22/17 at 2:48 pm


I'm talking about cultural peak of a decade NOT when the traces of another decade can be found. Of course in the last 2 years of a decade you will see trends that will continue into the new one. When you think about the 1960s do the years 1960-1962 pop up immediately? No, I bet not. I bet that the years 1963, 1964 and 1968 & 1969 pop up. When you think about the 1970s? Do the years 1970-1972 pop up first...NO. The years 1974, 1976-1979 pop up first. When you think about the 1980s which years pop up first? 1980-1982 or 1984-1987?. Probably, 1984-1997. When you think about the 90s which years pop up first? 1990-1992 or 1993-1997?. Probably 1993-1997. I can go on. I'm not saying that you can't see parts of a decades identity in it's earlier years but the cultural peak and when MOST people look back at the HEIGHT (PEAK) of a decades CULTURE, the earlier years usually don't pop up. Neon clothes, perms and bold, geometric print clothing (all continuations of late 1980s fashion trends) were popular in 1991 but definetly NOT 1996. That's my point.


Well, it's fair enough to feel that a decade's culture usually PEAKS around the middle or late portion of the decade. I think 1967 is the quintessential 60s year, 1977 the quintessential 70s year, 1986 for the 80s, 1995 for the 90s, 2005 for the 2000s, and 2016 for the 2010s so far.

What I don't understand is how you can claim any of those decades, aside from the 60s had not yet developed a true identity until the year ending in 3 or 4. 2012 certainly didn't contain everything that the 2010s will be ultimately remembered for, but there's still really no mistaking it for anything other than a 2010s year. If it was like 1962 was to the 60s, then MySpace still would've been popular, post-grunge and snap would still be mainstream, television and YouTube would continue to be predominantly standard-def, hardly anybody would've owned an iPhone, and the closest things to 2010s music would've been "Just Dance" and "Hot n Cold" peaking around #15 near the end of the year. A decade doesn't have to be in its peak just to have a firm identity.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 3:07 pm


Well, it's fair enough to feel that a decade's culture usually PEAKS around the middle of the decade. I think 1967 is the quintessential 60s year, 1977 the quintessential 70s year, 1986 for the 80s, 1995 for the 90s, 2005 for the 2000s, and 2016 for the 2010s so far.

What I don't understand is how you can claim any of those decades, aside from the 60s had not yet developed a true identity until the year ending in 3 or 4. 2012 certainly didn't contain everything that the 2010s will be ultimately remembered for, but there's still really no mistaking it for anything other than a 2010s year. If it was like 1962 was to the 60s, then MySpace still would've been popular, post-grunge and snap would still be mainstream, television and YouTube would continue to be predominantly standard-def, hardly anybody would've owned an iPhone, and the closest things to 2010s music would've been "Just Dance" and "Hot n Cold" peaking around #15 near the end of the year. A decade doesn't have to be in its peak just to have a firm identity.

The difference is the unexpected technological advancement and commercialization that happened from 2009-2012. From 1999 to 2002, there wasn't much technological advancement, from 1989 to 1992 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization (besides, the Internet but the Internet was in it's VERY EARLY stages in 1992 and most people didn't own a PC in 1992), from 1979 to 1982 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization, from 1969 to 1972 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization. 2009 to 2012 is different because smartphones, HD TVs, and electropop skyrocketed in popularity in that span but however my statement on the decades is generally true. Yes, 2012 can't be mistaken for 2009 by most people however there is bound to be an outlier/outliers in a trend.

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Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/22/17 at 3:19 pm


Neon clothes, perms and bold, geometric print clothing (all continuations of late 1980s fashion trends) were popular in 1991 but definetly NOT 1996. That's my point.


It USUALLY takes about 4-5 years before a decade take shape or forms it's own identity.  The cultural 1980s didn't take shape until 1983/1984 (ending in 1988). The cultural 1990s didn't take shape until 1993/1994 (ending in 1997). The cultural 2000s didn't take shape until 2003/2004 (ending in 2008). The cultural 2010s didn't take shape until 2013.


Just a couple of nitpicks but I'd say the 80's lasted up until maybe sometime between mid 1990 to late 1991. 1988 and 1989, in my opinion, are still very 80's years. The fashions mentioned are all mid 80's trends, too. Circa 1984. From 1984 to 1991 people wore perms and bright clothing. :P

Also, the internet has been around since January 1st, 1983.

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Written By: Stillinthe90s on 03/22/17 at 3:21 pm


The difference is the unexpected technological advancement and commercialization that happened from 2009-2012. From 1999 to 2002, there wasn't much technological advancement, from 1989 to 1992 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization (besides, the Internet but the Internet was in it's VERY EARLY stages in 1992 and most people didn't own a PC in 1992), from 1979 to 1982 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization, from 1969 to 1972 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization. 2009 to 2012 is different because smartphones, HD TVs, and electropop skyrocketed in popularity in that span but however my statement on the decades is generally true. Yes, 2012 can't be mistaken for 2009 by most people however there is bound to be an outlier/outliers in a trend.


There was a lot of technological advancement in everyday life from 1999 to 2002. The internet became mainsteam in that time frame and so did cell phones. For example, in 1998, people didn't use the internet nearly as much, and cell phones weren't nearly as common, as in 2002.

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Written By: #Infinity on 03/22/17 at 3:24 pm


The difference is the unexpected technological advancement and commercialization that happened from 2009-2012. From 1999 to 2002, there wasn't much technological advancement,


Er, yeah there was. Sixth-gen video games replaced fifth-gen ones, AIM and the Internet in general became much more standard, Windows XP came out, cell phones got way more popular, and DVD's went from novelties to truly popular alternatives to VHS. Also, the iPod was invented and iTunes was first launched, though they weren't standard for another few years.

from 1989 to 1992 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization (besides, the Internet but the Internet was in it's VERY EARLY stages in 1992 and most people didn't own a PC in 1992),

Vinyl died, CD's got more popular than tapes, Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis replaced NES, Game Boy was released, computers DID continue to grow in popularity, animated movies like Beauty and the Beast began using digital ink, and television in general underwent a dramatic shift in tone and content.

from 1979 to 1982 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization,

Video games went from a niche to a full-blown craze, new home appliances quickly got invented, home video started to garner popularity, the walkman was invented, tapes became an alternative to vinyl, and cable TV started to emerge.

from 1969 to 1972 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization. 2009 to 2012 is different because smartphones, HD TVs, and electropop skyrocketed in popularity in that span but however my statement on the decades is generally true. Yes, 2012 can't be mistaken for 2009 by most people however there is bound to be an outlier/outliers in a trend.


I referred to 2012 as an example of a year that definitely didn't represent the peak of its decade but was still comfortably entrenched in its decade's overall identity. I frankly feel the same way about 2010, even though there were slightly more 2000s holdovers that year (they were clearly in the minority, regardless).

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Written By: Stillinthe90s on 03/22/17 at 3:31 pm



Vinyl died, CD's got more popular than tapes, Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis replaced NES, Game Boy was released, computers DID continue to grow in popularity, animated movies like Beauty and the Beast began using digital ink, and television in general underwent a dramatic shift in tone and content.



The depiction of family life on television went from shows like Growing Pains and Family ties to shows like Roseanne, Married with Children, and the Simpsons from the late 80s to early 90s.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 3:38 pm


Er, yeah there was. Sixth-gen video games replaced fifth-gen ones, AIM and the Internet in general became much more standard, Windows XP came out, cell phones got way more popular, and DVD's went from novelties to truly popular alternatives to VHS. Also, the iPod was invented and iTunes was first launched, though they weren't standard for another few years.

Vinyl died, CD's got more popular than tapes, Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis replaced NES, Game Boy was released, computers DID continue to grow in popularity, animated movies like Beauty and the Beast began using digital ink, and television in general underwent a dramatic shift in tone and content.

Video games went from a niche to a full-blown craze, new home appliances quickly got invented, home video started to garner popularity, the walkman was invented, tapes became an alternative to vinyl, and cable TV started to emerge.

I referred to 2012 as an example of a year that definitely didn't represent the peak of its decade but was still comfortably entrenched in its decade's overall identity. I frankly feel the same way about 2010, even though there were slightly more 2000s holdovers that year (they were clearly in the minority, regardless).

Those technological advancements and commercialization weren't drastic like from 2009-2012. Also, barely anybody but upper middle class and wealthy people could afford a PC in 1992 and video games actually declined in popularity in 1982 and that's what led to the North American Video Game Crash of 1983. More kids were going to the arcade and MANY people (particularly parents) still viewed video games as a weird & wacky fad. The 6th generation of video games BEGAN in 1999 with the release of the SEGA Dreamcast on 9.9.99 and Sony ANNOUNCED the PlayStation 2 in 1999. The Walkman was released in 1979 so of course it would be popular by 1982 and I could go on but on to your point. Once again, just because 2012 is not 90% similar to 2009 doesn't mean there is not bound to be an outlier/outliers in a trend.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 3:41 pm


There was a lot of technological advancement in everyday life from 1999 to 2002. The internet became mainsteam in that time frame and so did cell phones. For example, in 1998, people didn't use the internet nearly as much, and cell phones weren't nearly as common, as in 2002.

The Internet was already mainstream by 1999 and cell phones from 2002 were really not that different if at all from those in 1999. In 1995 to 2001, you had the dot-com bubble and it burst in 2000.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 3:46 pm


The depiction of family life on television went from shows like Growing Pains and Family ties to shows like Roseanne, Married with Children, and the Simpsons from the late 80s to early 90s.

Roseanne premeired in 1988, Married with Children premiered in 1987 (so they were both popular by 1989) and The Simpsons premiered in December 1989.

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Written By: Greg on 03/22/17 at 4:08 pm


Roseanne premeired in 1988, Married with Children premiered in 1987 (so they were both popular by 1989) and The Simpsons premiered in December 1989.


I don't have a razor sharp memory of The Simpsons in the 90's let alone when it started (I actually watched it a week ago for the first time since 2008), but I think Bart's voice has gotten slightly lower since it first premiered.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/22/17 at 4:15 pm


I don't have a razor sharp memory of The Simpsons in the 90's let alone when it started (I actually watched it a week ago for the first time since 2008), but I think Bart's voice has gotten slightly lower since it first premiered.


I used to be a big fan of The Simpsons back in 2008/2009. Although, I loved their 90s episodes more than their modern ones.

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Written By: #Infinity on 03/22/17 at 4:16 pm


Those technological advancements and commercialization weren't drastic like from 2009-2012.


That's just a personal opinion that serves your argument about the early years of decades generally being mere extensions of the previous decade. My guess is that if you were there to remember the decade shifts, the new technology would have felt a lot more seismic than they appear now.

Also, barely anybody but upper middle class and wealthy people could afford a PC in 1992

They were already quite popular in work environments by that year and frankly, plenty of people DID own computers in the early 90s, far more than the 1980s at the very least.

and video games actually declined in popularity in 1982 and that's what led to the North American Video Game Crash of 1983.

That doesn't change the fact that video games came and revolutionized entertainment in the first place during the early 1980s.

More kids were going to the arcade and MANY people (particularly parents) still viewed video games as a weird & wacky fad.

Arcades wouldn't have still been extremely popular in the mid-80s had it not been for the video game boom of the early 80s. Besides, it's not like Pac-Man and Pitfall are somehow 70s holdovers just because the home market tanked in the mid-80s.

The 6th generation of video games BEGAN in 1999 with the release of the SEGA Dreamcast on 9.9.99 and Sony ANNOUNCED the PlayStation 2 in 1999.

The DreamCast was less advanced than later systems like the original XBOX and GameCube, not to mention it wasn't a particularly successful system, anyway. 1999 in gaming was all about Super Smash Bros. 64, Mario Party 1, THPS1, Ocarina of Time, Pokemon RBY, and other iconic 5th-generation titles. It's also a desperate stretch to focus on the PS2's announcement in 1999 rathwr than its actual release in 2000 and full establishment during 2001 and 2002.

The Walkman was released in 1979 so of course it would be popular by 1982

You're simply driving my point home here - the Walkman caused 1982 to feel technologically distinct from 1979.

Once again, just because 2012 is not 90% similar to 2009 doesn't mean there is not bound to be an outlier/outliers in a trend.

I just think you try way too hard to categorize the early parts of a decade with the entire preceding decade just because the culture isn't completely the same as the stereotypical trends of the mid-later years. You're straying too far from the chronological definitions when it's not necessary. The early 90s were definitely still the 90s, it was just a different side of it than the grunge, Internet, and Spice Girls 90s of later. The reason I make an exception with the early 60s is because they were such an overwhelming stagnation of late 50s culture, but even then, certain things like The Flintstones, JFK, and The Twilight Zone are still ultimately 60s trends and not 50s ones, as much as they weren't enough to firmly establish the decade's new identity at the time.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 4:37 pm


That's just a personal opinion that serves your argument about the early years of decades generally being mere extensions of the previous decade. My guess is that if you were there to remember the decade shifts, the new technology would have felt a lot more seismic than they appear now.

They were already quite popular in work environments by that year and frankly, plenty of people DID own computers in the early 90s, far more than the 1980s at the very least.

That doesn't change the fact that video games came and revolutionized entertainment in the first place during the early 1980s.

Arcades wouldn't have still been extremely popular in the mid-80s had it not been for the video game boom of the early 80s. Besides, it's not like Pac-Man and Pitfall are somehow 70s holdovers just because the home market tanked in the mid-80s.

The DreamCast was less advanced than later systems like the original XBOX and GameCube, not to mention it wasn't a particularly successful system, anyway. 1999 in gaming was all about Super Smash Bros. 64, Mario Party 1, THPS1, Ocarina of Time, Pokemon RBY, and other iconic 5th-generation titles. It's also a desperate stretch to focus on the PS2's announcement in 1999 rathwr than its actual release in 2000 and full establishment during 2001 and 2002.

You're simply driving my point home here - the Walkman caused 1982 to feel technologically distinct from 1979.

I just think you try way too hard to categorize the early parts of a decade with the entire preceding decade just because the culture isn't completely the same as the stereotypical trends of the mid-later years. You're straying too far from the chronological definitions when it's not necessary. The early 90s were definitely still the 90s, it was just a different side of it than the grunge, Internet, and Spice Girls 90s of later. The reason I make an exception with the early 60s is because they were such an overwhelming stagnation of late 50s culture, but even then, certain things like The Flintstones, JFK, and The Twilight Zone are still ultimately 60s trends and not 50s ones, as much as they weren't enough to firmly establish the decade's new identity at the time.

First, there was NO HOME video game boom in the early 80s like to seemed to suggest earlier. Computers in the HOME were MOST CERTAINLY NOT POPULAR in the early 1990s, where did you get that crazy thought from?.  The Dreamcast WAS NOT less advanced than the Xbox, Gamecube, or PS2, it was actually MORE advanced than its other competitors. That is one of the reasons the Dreamcast failed....because it was AHEAD of it's time. I didn't say that the early 1990s weren't the 1990s but they were a CONTINUATION of the late 1980s like pretty much every early years of decades. JFK was a beloved political figure that was assassinated unexpectedly and at such a young age of course that sorrow and legacy would last the rest of the decade (also remember he was killed in 1963 almost 1964, those years end with a 3 or 4), The Twiglight Zone started in 1959 but last until 1964 (year ending with a 4) and the show was so loved that it became iconic and the Flintstones started in 1960 but lasted well into the 1960s. The Flintstones ended in 1966, so of course it would be associated with the 1960s (duh). 2012 was the 2010s yes but ONCE AGAIN, it's an outlier to a general trend.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 4:42 pm

Look at this graph:
http://21cif.com/tutorials/micro/mm/growth/images/figure3.gif

Source: U.S. Department of Commerce's Census Bureau computer / Internet use estimates

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Written By: #Infinity on 03/22/17 at 4:58 pm


First, there was NO HOME video game boom in the early 80s like to seemed to suggest earlier.


You cannot be serious. The Atari 2600 and its competitors like the Intellevision sold millions upon millions of systems, each with huge catalogues of titles to choose from. TV commercials for video games were everywhere in the early 80s. Though video games existed in the 70s, they weren't a significant commercial force until the turn of the 80s.

Computers in the HOME were MOST CERTAINLY NOT POPULAR in the early 1990s, where did you get that crazy thought from?.

The Commodore 64, IBM, and Amiga were quite popular throughout the 80s and sold millions. They first became relevant in the early 80s, so personal computers had plenty of time to develop further popularity by 1992.

The Dreamcast WAS NOT less advanced than the Xbox, Gamecube, or PS2, it was actually MORE advanced than its other competitors. That is one of the reasons the Dreamcast failed....because it was AHEAD of it's time.

Almost all of its specs are less advanced than the other sixth-gen systems. Its strength as a system is just as much a myth as blast processing was in the 90s. If you look at the graphics for most Dreamcast games, they're blockier and less detailed than they were for the other 6th-gen systems. I'm pretty sure the original XBOX was the most powerful of the 6th-generation consoles.


I didn't say that the early 1990s weren't the 1990s but they were a CONTINUATION of the late 1980s like pretty much every early years of decades.

Yeah, but they weren't a total STAGNATION of late 80s culture like the early 60s were virtually identical to the late 50s. The late 80s were not known for Vanilla Ice, Twin Peaks, Home Alone, The Simpsons as its own show, the Gulf War, In Living Color, Super Nintendo, and so on like the early 90s were.

JFK was a beloved political figure that was assassinated unexpectedly and at such a young age of course that sorrow and legacy would last the rest of the decade (also remember he was killed in 1963 almost 1964, those years end with a 3 or 4), The Twiglight Zone started in 1959 but last until 1964 (year ending with a 4) and the show was so loved that it became iconic and the Flintstones started in 1960 but lasted well into the 1960s. The Flintstones ended in 1966, so of course it would be associated with the 1960s (duh). 2012 was the 2010s yes but ONCE AGAIN, it's an outlier to a general trend.


My point, though, is that 1960-1962 were much more culturally 50s than 1980-1982 were 70s, 1990-1992 were 80s, and 2000-2002 were 90s. Of course JFK, The Twilight Zone, and The Flintstones were 60s things and not 50s things, but they were cultural exceptions during a time when the predominant fashion, celebrity figures, music, social climate, etc. were predominantly no different from the late 50s.

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Written By: Greg on 03/22/17 at 5:09 pm


I used to be a big fan of The Simpsons back in 2008/2009. Although, I loved their 90s episodes more than their modern ones.


Most of the episodes from the last 10 seasons are the worst. Lego Simpsons? Give me a break.  ;D

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 5:13 pm


You cannot be serious. The Atari 2600 and its competitors like the Intellevision sold millions upon millions of systems, each with huge catalogues of titles to choose from. TV commercials for video games were everywhere in the early 80s. Though video games existed in the 70s, they weren't a significant commercial force until the turn of the 80s.

The Commodore 64, IBM, and Amiga were quite popular throughout the 80s and sold millions. They first became relevant in the early 80s, so personal computers had plenty of time to develop further popularity by 1992.

Almost all of its specs are less advanced than the other sixth-gen systems. Its strength as a system is just as much a myth as blast processing was in the 90s. If you look at the graphics for most Dreamcast games, they're blockier and less detailed than they were for the other 6th-gen systems. I'm pretty sure the original XBOX was the most powerful of the 6th-generation consoles.


Yeah, but they weren't a total STAGNATION of late 80s culture like the early 60s were virtually identical to the late 50s. The late 80s were not known for Vanilla Ice, Twin Peaks, Home Alone, The Simpsons as its own show, the Gulf War, In Living Color, Super Nintendo, and so on like the early 90s were.

My point, though, is that 1960-1962 were much more culturally 50s than 1980-1982 were 70s, 1990-1992 were 80s, and 2000-2002 were 90s. Of course JFK, The Twilight Zone, and The Flintstones were 60s things and not 50s things, but they were cultural exceptions during a time when the predominant fashion, celebrity figures, music, social climate, etc. were predominantly no different from the late 50s.

Yes, Atari did well in the early 1980s but home video games were still seen as a fad and the North American Video Game Market crashed in 1983 because of Atari. The video game industry in North America from 1983-1985 was pretty much dead. Just because you had those new music stars, conflicts and shows and so on doesn't mean that the early 1990s weren't a continuation of the late 1980s. Why in the world do you think that COMPUTERS IN THE HOME NOT THE WORKPLACE NOT ANYWHERE ELSE BUT..........HOME was popular in 1992?. In 1992, most people couldn't afford a PC and thus most people didn't own one. 1995 changed that trend when computers got cheaper and Windows 95 was released. Yes, the original Xbox was more powerful but the SEGA Dreamcast was still ahead of its time and that's why it failed compared to its competitors. Anyways, what don't you get about the fact that 2012 is an outlier to a general trend?. Geez. Also, look at the graph that I posted.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/22/17 at 7:20 pm


Most of the episodes from the last 10 seasons are the worst. Lego Simpsons? Give me a break.  ;D


The last good season was the 12th season, in my opinion. Although the Treehouse of Horror specials were good until the 19th one (Season 20).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/22/17 at 7:22 pm

2008 was a transitional year, but I put it more towards late 00s/early 2010s (one era) than the classic 2000s. 2008 actually feels almost recent to me, but 2007 feels like a super long time ago, which is weird but I guess my life experiences play a role into it as well.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 7:23 pm


The last good season was the 12th season, in my opinion. Although the Treehouse of Horror specials were good until the 19th one (Season 20).

I have only watched 1 or 2 episodes of The Simpsons since 2011. I watched The Simpsons a lot from 2006-2011 (including The Simpsons Movie in 2007).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 7:25 pm


2008 was a transitional year, but I put it more towards late 00s/early 2010s (one era) than the classic 2000s. 2008 actually feels almost recent to me, but 2007 feels like a super long time ago, which is weird but I guess my life experiences play a role into it as well.

I think that 2009 was the transitional year. 2008 is actually the last year that I feel nostalgic about even though I enjoyed 2009-2012. To me, 2008 was the last full 2000s year.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/22/17 at 7:28 pm


In 1992, most people couldn't afford a PC and thus most people didn't own one. 1995 changed that trend when computers got cheaper and Windows 95 was released. Yes, the original Xbox was more powerful but the SEGA Dreamcast was still ahead of its time and that's why it failed compared to its competitors. Anyways, what don't you get about the fact that 2012 is an outlier to a general trend?. Geez. Also, look at the graph that I posted.


Not to burst your bubble, but wasn't Microsoft already dominant by the 80s/early 90s when a lot of offices used computers with MS-DOS and Windows? Windows 95 was a game changer with the company because it was way easier to operate it than previous versions of Windows and MS-DOS. After Win95 was released, every Windows operating system had the same graphical user interface, with modifications used ever since Windows XP was released.


I have only watched 1 or 2 episodes of The Simpsons since 2011. I watched The Simpsons a lot from 2006-2011 (including The Simpsons Movie in 2007).


I was more into The Simpsons when I was a kid in the late 2000s. I was interested with it so much, that I had The Simpsons Game (on PSP) and watched The Simpsons Movie with joy.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 7:36 pm


Not to burst your bubble, but wasn't Microsoft already dominant by the 80s/early 90s when a lot of offices used computers with MS-DOS and Windows? Windows 95 was a game changer with the company because it was way easier to operate it than previous versions of Windows and MS-DOS. After Win95 was released, every Windows operating system had the same graphical user interface, with modifications used ever since Windows XP was released.

Oh my god, I WASN'T talking about businesses. I was talking about in HOMES, you know the place where people LIVE not work. I even bolded the words "home" and "computers in the home" multiple times. For the last time, MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE PCs IN THEIR HOMES IN THE EARLY 1990s. Got that?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/22/17 at 7:49 pm


Oh my god, I WASN'T talking about businesses. I was talking about in HOMES, you know the place where people LIVE not work. I even bolded the words "home" and "computers in the home" multiple times. For the last time, MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE PCs IN THEIR HOMES IN THE EARLY 1990s. Got that?


Well even before Windows 95 was released, they still have home programs that were useful towards those who had home computers in the early 90s. One example was Microsoft Bob, even though it was a commercial failure, it was still remarkable with computers that ran Windows 3.1 and 95.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 7:54 pm


Well even before Windows 95 was released, they still have home programs that were useful towards those who had home computers in the early 90s. One example was Microsoft Bob, even though it was a commercial failure, it was still remarkable with computers that ran Windows 3.1 and 95.

Who cares?. I'm talking about popularity and usage not if it existed. This graph shows what I'm talking about:
http://www.relativelyinteresting.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Internet+usage+in+USA.jpg

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/22/17 at 8:14 pm


Who cares?. I'm talking about popularity and usage not if it existed. This graph shows what I'm talking about:
http://www.relativelyinteresting.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Internet+usage+in+USA.jpg


Even if the Internet was a game changer in the mid 90s, thanks to AOL, that wouldn't really solve on why so many people used computers. Starting in the mid 90s, when most people started to buy common computers with Windows 95, it was more about how you could play computer games and programs on it. Especially when you have stuff like Microsoft Office, which was very important to use within homes and businesses.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: aja675 on 03/22/17 at 9:48 pm


The difference is the unexpected technological advancement and commercialization that happened from 2009-2012. From 1999 to 2002, there wasn't much technological advancement, from 1989 to 1992 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization (besides, the Internet but the Internet was in it's VERY EARLY stages in 1992 and most people didn't own a PC in 1992), from 1979 to 1982 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization, from 1969 to 1972 there wasn't much technological advancement and commercialization. 2009 to 2012 is different because smartphones, HD TVs, and electropop skyrocketed in popularity in that span but however my statement on the decades is generally true. Yes, 2012 can't be mistaken for 2009 by most people however there is bound to be an outlier/outliers in a trend.
In your opinion, in what year would you say that there were no longer any significant traces of the '00s, and by that, even traces of 2009?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/22/17 at 9:52 pm


In your opinion, in what year would you say that there were no longer any significant traces of the '00s, and by that, even traces of 2009?

That year would be 2-0-1-3. 2013.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/22/17 at 11:10 pm

The home market for computers definitely increased to significant levels by time the Mac arrived in 1984 with it's more user friendly image based GUI. They weren't something everyone and their mothers had in the 80's but they were still very significant and common to find. To deny a year as modern as 1984 and it's explosion of technology is wrong.

And there are tons of differences between 1979 and 1982. The changes of culture and attitude are very obvious:

- In 1979, Beta and VHS were still on equal footing as home video formats. In 1980, however, VHS overtook the home video market and had continued to grow so that by 1982 VHS was extremely popular while not many people were still using beta max aside from a very small few.

- Pretty much all major 1979 films feature an old cinematic 70's-like style. While 1982 had movies like that, too, the year was also home to very modern movies such as the Poltergeist and Tron.

- Another one is that the CD was introduced in 1982; CD's didn't even exist in 1979. Cassettes also didn't really take off in America until 1980 when the Walkman had it's first American release. While they were kind of popular in 1979, they weren't really a serious threat to vinyl until 1980. Portable music was revolutionized for Americans in 1980. Seriously, imagine how big a change that was. Music had never been so conveniently portable before 1980 in North America.

- If you're a soda drinker than 1979 and 1982 would be fairly different for you, too. In 1979 all drinks still used cane sugar. Every last one. Starting in 1980 (but solidifying in 1984) companies started switching to HFCS. In 1982, if you picked up a can of Coke or Pepsi, you might be getting HFCS instead of the old cane sugar recipe used even a few years prior.

- Also, you know, Reagan was president. Big changes. War on drugs, stricter seat-belt laws and not only did he tighten up the drunk driving laws but MADD were established in 1980, too. By 1982, attitudes towards drunk driving in general had taken whole new levels of no tolerance never seen before.

- The PC had become widespread enough to be named the first non-human Man of the Year in 1982. In 1979, attitudes were still weary of whether or not you could take the computer seriously. Businesses started adapting to PC's as early as 1982. Yes, even people started buying PC's for their homes as early as 1982, too.

- One of the biggest things ever is also ignored here: AIDS. 1979-1981 was still a vestige of the sexual revolution era. 1982, however, involved the discovery of AIDS and the first AIDS clinic opening up in San Francisco. That alone is a huge difference as it ended an entire era and changed sexual attitudes overnight.


Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/22/17 at 11:16 pm

I believe 2008 was more of a early 2010s (and late 00s, same thing) year than it was mid 00s. Everything changed that year. Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, and other new 10s artists started getting popular, electropop/EDM music started becoming popular, Obama became president, social media sites and technology was growing fast, new fashion, the economic crisis occurred, and a bunch of other stuff.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/22/17 at 11:20 pm

I think 2007 was early 10's, too. Why?

2006 had this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/El_Mariel.jpg

Trashy 00's rap. No thanks! 8-P

But 2007 on the other hand...

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/lyricwiki/images/e/e3/Pitbull_-_The_Boatlift.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090813111423 Oh yeah... 8) 8) 8)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: aja675 on 03/22/17 at 11:22 pm


That year would be 2-0-1-3. 2013.
Which month specifically?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/22/17 at 11:23 pm



2EwViQxSJJQ

And number 1 in 2008 is this (more of a 2010s sound and very different from last year):
dq6Q_uaJF4k

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 7:37 am


The home market for computers definitely increased to significant levels by time the Mac arrived in 1984 with it's more user friendly image based GUI. They weren't something everyone and their mothers had in the 80's but they were still very significant and common to find. To deny a year as modern as 1984 and it's explosion of technology is wrong.

And there are tons of differences between 1979 and 1982. The changes of culture and attitude are very obvious:

- In 1979, Beta and VHS were still on equal footing as home video formats. In 1980, however, VHS overtook the home video market and had continued to grow so that by 1982 VHS was extremely popular while not many people were still using beta max aside from a very small few.

- Pretty much all major 1979 films feature an old cinematic 70's-like style. While 1982 had movies like that, too, the year was also home to very modern movies such as the Poltergeist and Tron.

- Another one is that the CD was introduced in 1982; CD's didn't even exist in 1979. Cassettes also didn't really take off in America until 1980 when the Walkman had it's first American release. While they were kind of popular in 1979, they weren't really a serious threat to vinyl until 1980. Portable music was revolutionized for Americans in 1980. Seriously, imagine how big a change that was. Music had never been so conveniently portable before 1980 in North America.

- If you're a soda drinker than 1979 and 1982 would be fairly different for you, too. In 1979 all drinks still used cane sugar. Every last one. Starting in 1980 (but solidifying in 1984) companies started switching to HFCS. In 1982, if you picked up a can of Coke or Pepsi, you might be getting HFCS instead of the old cane sugar recipe used even a few years prior.

- Also, you know, Reagan was president. Big changes. War on drugs, stricter seat-belt laws and not only did he tighten up the drunk driving laws but MADD were established in 1980, too. By 1982, attitudes towards drunk driving in general had taken whole new levels of no tolerance never seen before.

- The PC had become widespread enough to be named the first non-human Man of the Year in 1982. In 1979, attitudes were still weary of whether or not you could take the computer seriously. Businesses started adapting to PC's as early as 1982. Yes, even people started buying PC's for their homes as early as 1982, too.

- One of the biggest things ever is also ignored here: AIDS. 1979-1981 was still a vestige of the sexual revolution era. 1982, however, involved the discovery of AIDS and the first AIDS clinic opening up in San Francisco. That alone is a huge difference as it ended an entire era and changed sexual attitudes overnight.

Yeah those aren't big gaps in adavancement in technology like from 2009 to 2012. Geez, are ypu guys seriously trying to say that because their was a slight culture change in a span of just 3 years that some technology that was in the background in 1979 became popular by 1982 that 1982 was some different world from 1979 when it's NOT. Also, what is with you guys believing this obsurb notion that because Apple released the MacIntosh in 1984 that most people had computers in their home by the early 1990s......WHEN that's completely false. Most people weren't and still aren't upper middle class to rich. Most people couldn't afford a PC until the mid 1990s and even then it took years for most people to have a PC (or at least a laptop). Just because the technology existed doesn't mean most people had one.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 7:41 am


All of these songs sound pretty darn 2010s to me and fairly modern. They definitely don't sound classic 2000s. But if you grab a bunch of songs from 2007, you will hear a big difference and they will sound 00sey. Like the number 1 song of 2007 was this (very classic 2000s sounding):
2EwViQxSJJQ

And number 1 in 2008 is this (more of a 2010s sound and very different from last year):
dq6Q_uaJF4k

Irreplaceable by Beyonce was from 2006 and that song definitely doesn't sound anything like a popular song from today. Also, it's pretty much agreed upon that 2008 was where you first started to see the rap sound of the early 2010s and Low by Flo Rida was one of the first songs.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/23/17 at 9:39 am


Irreplaceable by Beyonce was from 2006 and that song definitely doesn't sound anything like a popular song from today. Also, it's pretty much agreed upon that 2008 was where you first started to see the rap sound of the early 2010s and Low by Flo Rida was one of the first songs.


Low and Irreplacable both sound geniunely 2000s, especially after 10 years when I listened to them.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/23/17 at 9:49 am


Yeah those aren't big gaps in adavancement in technology like from 2009 to 2012. Geez, are ypu guys seriously trying to say that because their was a slight culture change in a span of just 3 years that some technology that was in the background in 1979 became popular by 1982 that 1982 was some different world from 1979 when it's NOT. Also, what is with you guys believing this obsurb notion that because Apple released the MacIntosh in 1984 that most people had computers in their home by the early 1990s......WHEN that's completely false. Most people weren't and still aren't upper middle class to rich. Most people couldn't afford a PC until the mid 1990s and even then it took years for most people to have a PC (or at least a laptop). Just because the technology existed doesn't mean most people had one.


The discovery of AIDS wasn't a big leap of technological development!? Seriously!? That alone makes 1982 a very different world from 1979.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/23/17 at 10:02 am


Yeah those aren't big gaps in adavancement in technology like from 2009 to 2012. Geez, are ypu guys seriously trying to say that because their was a slight culture change in a span of just 3 years that some technology that was in the background in 1979 became popular by 1982 that 1982 was some different world from 1979 when it's NOT. Also, what is with you guys believing this obsurb notion that because Apple released the MacIntosh in 1984 that most people had computers in their home by the early 1990s......WHEN that's completely false. Most people weren't and still aren't upper middle class to rich. Most people couldn't afford a PC until the mid 1990s and even then it took years for most people to have a PC (or at least a laptop). Just because the technology existed doesn't mean most people had one.


Well, 1979-1982 (when VHS tapes AND Betamax tapes were more relevant), 1999-2002 (when the Internet became a worldwide phenomenon), and 2009-2012 (when smartphones were starting to become successful) were pretty changeful within technology. Also, just because most people didn't have computers in their homes before the mid 90s, that doesn't mean it wasn't popular by the 80s and early 90s. A lot of businesses had computers (specifically ones created by IBM) with either MS-DOS or early versions of Windows.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/23/17 at 10:21 am


Irreplaceable by Beyonce was from 2006 and that song definitely doesn't sound anything like a popular song from today. Also, it's pretty much agreed upon that 2008 was where you first started to see the rap sound of the early 2010s and Low by Flo Rida was one of the first songs.

Irreplaceable is the number 1 song of 2007, not 2006... It's a 2007 song.

http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2007/hot-100-songs

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/23/17 at 10:21 am


Low and Irreplacable both sound geniunely 2000s, especially after 10 years when I listened to them.

Low doesn't, irreplaceable does.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: SpyroKev on 03/23/17 at 10:25 am

Its great to see everyone I know still active and this section so lively. I don't want it to end. Haha

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/23/17 at 10:44 am


Low doesn't, irreplaceable does.


At the very least, it sounds like one.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/23/17 at 10:51 am


Low doesn't, irreplaceable does.


Low sounds like all the other late 2000s (2006/2007) hip hop to me. In the same vein as Smack That by Akon or something.  :o

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/23/17 at 10:58 am


Low sounds like all the other late 2000s (2006/2007) hip hop to me. In the same vein as Smack That by Akon or something.  :o

Late 2000s music is pretty much the same as the early 10s. And that vibe started around 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/23/17 at 11:52 am


Late 2000s music is pretty much the same as the early 10s. And that vibe started around 2008.


I don't completely agree with that.  Hip-hop transitioned into its '10s sound in 2011.  The late '00s hip-hop sound lasted into 2010 but started dying out going into '11.  Late '00s hip-hop had strong synth-based beats.  Post-2011, it's been trap-rap.  Here is a forgotten one from 2008 but it exemplifies the late '00s sound.

HNemkBDsfgc

In terms of electropop, that started in late 2008, but as others have said, Katy Perry and Lady Gaga's first albums weren't quite as '10s sounding as their second albums.  There is quite a big difference between the sound of The Fame and Born This Way for Lady Gaga.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 1:51 pm


Irreplaceable is the number 1 song of 2007, not 2006... It's a 2007 song.

http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2007/hot-100-songs

Irreplaceable was RELEASED in October 2006. 2006 is not 2007. It may be #1 of Billboard's Year End Chart of 2007 but the song itself is from 2006.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 1:56 pm


Well, 1979-1982 (when VHS tapes AND Betamax tapes were more relevant), 1999-2002 (when the Internet became a worldwide phenomenon), and 2009-2012 (when smartphones were starting to become successful) were pretty changeful within technology. Also, just because most people didn't have computers in their homes before the mid 90s, that doesn't mean it wasn't popular by the 80s and early 90s. A lot of businesses had computers (specifically ones created by IBM) with either MS-DOS or early versions of Windows.

Once again are you not reading my words? How many times do I have to reiterate that I'm talking about computers in HOMES, H-O-M-E NOT businesses. Please show me proof that PCs were popular in people's HOMES in the 1980s and early 1990s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 2:06 pm


The discovery of AIDS wasn't a big leap of technological development!? Seriously!? That alone makes 1982 a very different world from 1979.

"The earliest known infection of an identified human being dates back to 1959, found in a plasma sample taken from an adult male living in the Belgian Congo (later Zaire and now the Democratic Republic of the Congo)."  Let's stop pretending that AIDS was "discovered" in 1981 just because that's when it first started to affect America and Americans.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/23/17 at 2:18 pm


"The earliest known infection of an identified human being dates back to 1959, found in a plasma sample taken from an adult male living in the Belgian Congo (later Zaire and now the Democratic Republic of the Congo)."  Let's stop pretending that AIDS was "discovered" in 1981 just because that's when it first started to affect America and Americans.


Even though doctors had no idea what affected those early cases until reexamining their remains until way later? ::) Face it, AIDS was first clinically observed in 1981, given a name in 1982 and had it's first clinics open up later that year. Nobody knew what the characteristics of AIDS was or how to treat it in 1959. On top of that, if you weren't in the medical profession back then, you probably didn't even know of that unnamed infection in the 50's-70's. You're really reaching here. AIDS had no impact on society as a whole until 1982.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/23/17 at 2:33 pm

2008 WAS NOT an inbred chameleon with six claws!!!!!  >:(  >:(  >:(

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/23/17 at 2:50 pm


Irreplaceable was RELEASED in October 2006. 2006 is not 2007. It may be #1 of Billboard's Year End Chart of 2007 but the song itself is from 2006.

So? It was still a 2007 song because it was most popular in early 2007. I don't consider a song that was released in a year belong to that year, I consider when it got popular. For example, "Thrift Shop" was released in August 2012, but it was still a 2013 song. "Call Me Maybe" was released in October 2011, but it's a 2012 song.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 3:00 pm


So? It was still a 2007 song because it was most popular in early 2007. I don't consider a song that was released in a year belong to that year, I consider when it got popular. For example, "Thrift Shop" was released in August 2012, but it was still a 2013 song. "Call Me Maybe" was released in October 2011, but it's a 2012 song.

I may give you that point even though it's still a song from 2006 but whatever. My own point is that "Irreplaceable" sounds nothing like what is popular on the airwaves today. "Irreplaceable" is definetly a 2000s song. Beyonce also has a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT style to both her personality and music now. "Formation" is definetly NOT similar to "Irreplaceable".

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/23/17 at 4:31 pm


I may give you that point even though it's still a song from 2006 but whatever. My own point is that "Irreplaceable" sounds nothing like what is popular on the airwaves today. "Irreplaceable" is definetly a 2000s song. Beyonce also has a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT style to both her personality and music now. "Formation" is definetly NOT similar to "Irreplaceable".

I know, that was my point as well. And the song low by Flo Rida sounds a lot more modern to me. Music really started to get horrible around 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 4:58 pm


I know, that was my point as well. And the song low by Flo Rida sounds a lot more modern to me. Music really started to get horrible around 2008.

Music from 2008-2012 was tolerable for me. However, since 2013 I have only liked a few popular songs. Music in the past 4 years have been lower in quality to me.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/23/17 at 5:16 pm


Music from 2008-2012 was tolerable for me. However, since 2013 I have only liked a few popular songs. Music in the past 4 years have been lower in quality to me.

For me, I personally prefer music in the last 4 years compared to the late 00s/early 10s. Except music in 2016 was pretty bad (I blame Justin Bieber and Ariana Grande). The best year for music in the 2010s so far is 2013 in my opinion.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/23/17 at 6:01 pm


Once again are you not reading my words? How many times do I have to reiterate that I'm talking about computers in HOMES, H-O-M-E NOT businesses. Please show me proof that PCs were popular in people's HOMES in the 1980s and early 1990s.


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/61/c7/76/61c77647c02607687563aee0cc378d2e.jpg

This was an ad of MS-DOS during the early 80s. This possibly encouraged people to get an IBM computer, in which they could install MS-DOS with. They might have it at homes, but they weren't as common as using them in businesses. I don't really see the differences between using a computer at homes or businesses. They're just the same. Anyone could learn computer skills at either a home or a business.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/23/17 at 6:15 pm


It's American ignorance to think that "AIDS had no impact on society as a whole until 1982.". HIV/AIDS was ravaging Africa well before 1982 and there was cases of HIV/AIDS in America before 1982. In 1979, an early case of HIV/AIDS in the United States was of a female baby born in New Jersey in 1973 or 1974. She was born to a sixteen-year-old girl, an identified drug-injector, who had previously had multiple male sexual partners. The baby died in 1979 at the age of five. Subsequent testing on her stored tissues confirmed that she had contracted HIV-1. Just because AIDS became more well known in the US during the early 1980s does not mean that 1979 was a worlds away from 1982. RIDICULOUS.


I believe that Jordan and Infinity are just saying that AIDS didn't become part of the mass consciousness until the 80's, around 1982/1983. It's true, and even factual, that AIDS had existed before 1982, but most people, like 90%??, knew nothing of the disease. It just wasn't called AIDS until 1982.

People are talking about how AIDS became part of conscious awareness, not necessarily AIDS as a disease, itself. Two subtle differences. We're not saying that AIDS is a 1980's thing, we're saying the 1980's was when it popped up into most people's awareness.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 8:09 pm


I believe that Jordan and Infinity are just saying that AIDS didn't become part of the mass consciousness until the 80's, around 1982/1983. It's true, and even factual, that AIDS had existed before 1982, but most people, like 90%??, knew nothing of the disease. It just wasn't called AIDS until 1982.

People are talking about how AIDS became part of conscious awareness, not necessarily AIDS as a disease, itself. Two subtle differences. We're not saying that AIDS is a 1980's thing, we're saying the 1980's was when it popped up into most people's awareness.

Yeah, I didn't deny that AIDS become more well known in the US in the 1980s (I even said that). However, all I'm saying is that 1982 wasn't a whole new world from 1979.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 8:28 pm


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This was an ad of MS-DOS during the early 80s. This possibly encouraged people to get an IBM computer, in which they could install MS-DOS with. They might have it at homes, but they weren't as common as using them in businesses. I don't really see the differences between using a computer at homes or businesses. They're just the same. Anyone could learn computer skills at either a home or a business.

Using a computer at work during the 1980s was exactly that....to do work. The World Wide Wide wasn't a thing until May 1989 and the Internet wasn't released to the public until August 1991, so there wasn't much the limited amount of people who have a PERSONAL (at home) computer could do. People today but especially in the 1990s and 2000s did different things on computers at home from at work. There is a reason your desktop computer at HOME is called a PERSONAL Computer (PC) because on a PC (PERSONAL Computer), you do more PERSONAL things and it's for mostly leisure rather than official business and more professional things. In 1996, if you were at work and caught on America Online instead of doing what you were supposed to do you could get fired. That's because America Online (now, AOL) was a service to play around with and was more of a personal service to do stuff at HOME. The "skills" might be the same but it's about the purpose.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/23/17 at 8:29 pm


Yeah, I didn't deny that AIDS become more well known in the US in the 1980s (I even said that). However, all I'm saying is that 1982 wasn't a whole new world from 1979.


1982 was pretty 80's, 1979 was waaay more 70's, but with tinges of 80's. If you had said 1981, I would have agreed with you.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 8:48 pm


1982 was pretty 80's, 1979 was waaay more 70's, but with tinges of 80's. If you had said 1981, I would have agreed with you.

I'm not talking about the "feel" or vibe of the year. I'm just talking in general 1982 wasn't far off from 1979. of course, in there a 3 year span there are some new "discoveries" and new trends but for the most part 1982 is more similar to 1979 than 1985.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/23/17 at 8:51 pm


Using a computer at work during the 1980s was exactly that....to do work. The World Wide Wide wasn't a thing until May 1989 and the Internet wasn't released to the public until August 1991, so there wasn't much the limited amount of people who have a PERSONAL (at home) computer could do. People today but especially in the 1990s and 2000s did different things on computers at home from at work. There is a reason your desktop computer at HOME is called a PERSONAL Computer (PC) because on a PC (PERSONAL Computer), you do more PERSONAL things and it's for mostly leisure rather than official business and more professional things. In 1996, if you were at work and caught on America Online instead of doing what you were supposed to do you could get fired. That's because America Online (now, AOL) was a service to play around with and was more of a personal service to do stuff at HOME. The "skills" might be the same but it's about the purpose.


Even though clearly some people used computers at their houses, especially when it was mostly for businesses back in the 1980s/early 1990s. In fact, the term personal computer originated somewhere between 1975-1980. I don't know why you're getting upset over a common term that's been used since the late 20th century. It's just like that. Even as a person who loves using Microsoft Windows for a long time (since c. early 2000s), it's not really that frustrating to know about. Also, people used computers more than just using the Internet. Back in the pre-1995 world, most PC owners just used it for playing DOS-compatible games like Monkey Island, Doom, and many others.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/23/17 at 8:59 pm


I'm not talking about the "feel" or vibe of the year. I'm just talking in general 1982 wasn't far off from 1979. of course, in there a 3 year span there are some new "discoveries" and new trends but for the most part 1982 is more similar to 1979 than 1985.


I have always considered Disco Demolition Night to be the start of the cultural '80s.  However, the decade didn't really come into its own until after the 1982 recession ended and the consumer/credit binge began.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 9:10 pm


Even though clearly some people used computers at their houses, especially when it was mostly for businesses back in the 1980s/early 1990s. In fact, the term personal computer originated somewhere between 1975-1980. I don't know why you're getting upset over a common term that's been used since the late 20th century. It's just like that. Even as a person who loves using Microsoft Windows for a long time (since c. early 2000s), it's not really that frustrating to know about. Also, people used computers more than just using the Internet. Back in the pre-1995 world, most PC owners just used it for playing DOS-compatible games like Monkey Island, Doom, and many others.

Oh my god once again, are you not getting it?. Yes, there were a few people who did. I'm talking about POPULARITY, P-O-P-U-L-A-R-I-T-Y not that it existed. Just like the iPhone, it came out in 2007 and there were some people who had the iPhone in 2007 (mostly upper middle class and rich people) but does that mean that the iPhone was popular (as in commonly used) in 2007 (or the late 2000s)?......NO. The iPhone (and modern smartphones in general) didn't become popular until 2011. It's the same with PCs. Now do you get my point?. If not, prove to me that PERSONAL computers were popular (as in commonly used) at HOME during the 1980s and early 1990s. Also, by commonly used I'm not talking about 5-30% of people, I'm talking about at least 45% and higher.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/23/17 at 9:39 pm


I have always considered Disco Demolition Night to be the start of the cultural '80s.  However, the decade didn't really come into its own until after the 1982 recession ended and the consumer/credit binge began.

I agree.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/24/17 at 8:43 am


Oh my god once again, are you not getting it?. Yes, there were a few people who did. I'm talking about POPULARITY, P-O-P-U-L-A-R-I-T-Y not that it existed. Just like the iPhone, it came out in 2007 and there were some people who had the iPhone in 2007 (mostly upper middle class and rich people) but does that mean that the iPhone was popular (as in commonly used) in 2007 (or the late 2000s)?......NO. The iPhone (and modern smartphones in general) didn't become popular until 2011. It's the same with PCs. Now do you get my point?. If not, prove to me that PERSONAL computers were popular (as in commonly used) at HOME during the 1980s and early 1990s. Also, by commonly used I'm not talking about 5-30% of people, I'm talking about at least 45% and higher.


I'm not even considering PCs to be as popular in the 80s/early 90s, and already you think I'm wrong. I agree that most people bought computers with AOL, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist before the mid 90s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/24/17 at 9:10 am


Oh my god once again, are you not getting it?. Yes, there were a few people who did. I'm talking about POPULARITY, P-O-P-U-L-A-R-I-T-Y not that it existed. Just like the iPhone, it came out in 2007 and there were some people who had the iPhone in 2007 (mostly upper middle class and rich people) but does that mean that the iPhone was popular (as in commonly used) in 2007 (or the late 2000s)?......NO. The iPhone (and modern smartphones in general) didn't become popular until 2011. It's the same with PCs. Now do you get my point?. If not, prove to me that PERSONAL computers were popular (as in commonly used) at HOME during the 1980s and early 1990s. Also, by commonly used I'm not talking about 5-30% of people, I'm talking about at least 45% and higher.


You know, if you would just stop taking these trivial points about cultural evolution more seriously than trying to save somebody's life and weren't jackhammering your points in every post you make with bolded all-caps and insults to our intelligence, then maybe this would be a more fruitful discussion. I could easily go on, rebutting your points that are just your personal opinion and not martial law like you're treating them, but I highly doubt that would get this topic out of its current tangent.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/24/17 at 9:15 am


You know, if you would just stop taking these trivial points about cultural evolution more seriously than trying to save somebody's life and weren't jackhammering your points in every post you make with bolded all-caps and insults to our intelligence, then maybe this would be a more fruitful discussion. I could easily go on, rebutting your points that are just your personal opinion and not martial law like you're treating them, but I highly doubt that would get this topic out of its current tangent.


I agree. He always gets upset over something that he doesn't really agree with, to the point where he makes a boring argument against you.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: aja675 on 03/24/17 at 10:46 am


In your opinion, in what year would you say that there were no longer any significant traces of the '00s, and by that, even traces of 2009?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/24/17 at 11:06 am


In your opinion, in what year would you say that there were no longer any significant traces of the '00s, and by that, even traces of 2009?


2013.  Both early '10s style electropop and the last traces of late '00s style hip-hop faded in 2012.  In 2013 we shifted into Ariana Grande, Macklemore, EDM-pop, SJW culture, hipster, and all the other things that we associate with the '10s.  Some of these things did exist before 2013, but 2013 is when they became the dominant force in pop culture.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/24/17 at 11:11 am

Well, if we're supposed to answer the above question, I'd say there still ARE traces of 2009, since some of the songs that got made that year, like "Alejandro," still have production qualities that don't sound dated. There are still some shows popular in 2009 that are still relevant today, like The Big Bang Theory.

If we're focusing on when the last of FIRMLY 2000s culture stopped beinf relevant, I would say 2011. That year, Bin Laden was slain, Dubya's Iraq War ended, most mid-late 2000s hallmark shows were ending or declining, and it was roughly the last time dumbphones were still fairly popular. 2000s-style rock also pretty much officially departed from the mainstream by that year.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/24/17 at 11:22 am


I'm not even considering PCs to be as popular in the 80s/early 90s, and already you think I'm wrong. I agree that most people bought computers with AOL, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist before the mid 90s.

I didn't say that it didn't exist before the mid 1990s. NEVER, not once.


You know, if you would just stop taking these trivial points about cultural evolution more seriously than trying to save somebody's life and weren't jackhammering your points in every post you make with bolded all-caps and insults to our intelligence, then maybe this would be a more fruitful discussion. I could easily go on, rebutting your points that are just your personal opinion and not martial law like you're treating them, but I highly doubt that would get this topic out of its current tangent.

I bolded the words to get my point across not insult your or NewYorkRaven's intelligence. You and him are talking about something different than what I'm talking about. I never said nor do I believe my word is bond.


I agree. He always gets upset over something that he doesn't really agree with, to the point where he makes a boring argument against you.

I'm not upset, I'm more frustrated. Also, I acknowledge that some of you and #Infinity's points are true but like I said earlier...we're not talking about the same things. It's best to leave it at that. I never meant to antagonize or get into a "feuded/heated" discussion. If you or #Infinity feel that I insulted you, then I am sorry.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/24/17 at 11:49 am




I would say we weren't in the 00s anymore in 2009.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/24/17 at 12:28 pm


I didn't say that it didn't exist before the mid 1990s. NEVER, not once.


You make it seem like they didn't exist in people's homes before the mid 90s. Even though there could be people that used home-based computers before.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/24/17 at 1:04 pm


You make it seem like they didn't exist in people's homes before the mid 90s. Even though there could be people that used home-based computers before.

No, I clearly said that I was talking about WIDESPREAD usage not that it existed. Once again, liked I said we're talking about different things. It's best to leave it at that.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/24/17 at 1:12 pm

Reignman, can you please calm down and stop yelling?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/24/17 at 1:17 pm


Reignman, can you please calm down and stop yelling?

Zelek3, where was I yelling?. I'm calm. I even said "it's best to leave it at that". I was yelling because I put widespread in caps?.  :o

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/24/17 at 1:25 pm


No, I clearly said that I was talking about WIDESPREAD usage not that it existed. Once again, liked I said we're talking about different things. It's best to leave it at that.


Honestly, I'm not gonna talking about the popularity or widespread use of computers with you anymore. You seem to think that everything with computers before 1995 were used for business purposes only, even though they had existing computer games long before 1995. On the top of that, you take everything with what I said as a fact, despite me saying that it's just my choice. I think you really need to calm down on stuff like this, since it's not a big deal towards everybody.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/24/17 at 1:44 pm


Honestly, I'm not gonna talking about the popularity or widespread use of computers with you anymore. You seem to think that everything with computers before 1995 were used for business purposes only, even though they had existing computer games long before 1995. On the top of that, you take everything with what I said as a fact, despite me saying that it's just my choice. I think you really need to calm down on stuff like this, since it's not a big deal towards everybody.

1. I am calm. Why do you guys think that I'm not calm?
2. I NEVER said that everything with computers before 1995 was to do with business.
3. I have never taken what you said as fact.
4. I don't take this as a big deal
5. I already said that we are obviously talking about different things and to leave it at that. Leave it at that means let bygones be bygones and leave this convo in the past.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/24/17 at 5:00 pm


Honestly, I'm not gonna talking about the popularity or widespread use of computers with you anymore. You seem to think that everything with computers before 1995 were used for business purposes only, even though they had existing computer games long before 1995. On the top of that, you take everything with what I said as a fact, despite me saying that it's just my choice. I think you really need to calm down on stuff like this, since it's not a big deal towards everybody.


Computers started making their way into most homes in the early 1990s.  I would say the Internet lagged a little, becoming widespread in the Windows 95 era.  The early 1990s was an awesome era however to be into computers, especially for gaming.  Most of today's games don't have the "magic" that DOS games did.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Brian06 on 03/24/17 at 9:17 pm

I agree with bchris 2008 is definitely different than most of the '10s and obviously has more in common with the '00s in general. I've always thought that yes 2008 was the start of some changes, but just the start. Bush was still president for all of 2008, the Iraq War was still a major issue. Now by the end of the year when the economic crisis hit and Obama had been elected, that was more like the early 2010s. Early-mid 2008 really had little if anything in common with the 2010s however. Sure some things like social media were just starting to take off around 2008, but really only just barely, nowhere near like today. Smartphones were just starting to become consumer oriented, but few people had them yet. Music was mainly a mix of southern hip-hop/emo/post grunge style stuff, there was some "electropop" influences but it was just popping up.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: aja675 on 03/24/17 at 10:15 pm


2013.  Both early '10s style electropop and the last traces of late '00s style hip-hop faded in 2012.  In 2013 we shifted into Ariana Grande, Macklemore, EDM-pop, SJW culture, hipster, and all the other things that we associate with the '10s.  Some of these things did exist before 2013, but 2013 is when they became the dominant force in pop culture.
Does anyone else feel that the 2012-2013 school year was a lot more early '10s than the 2013-14 school year? If you want proof, there was this one time on a forum around April 2013 when I posted my Tumblr in the shoutbox and someone made a joke about that place being overrun by horny 13 year old girls instead of making a joke about that place being overrun with SJW's.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/24/17 at 10:49 pm


Does anyone else feel that the 2012-2013 school year was a lot more early '10s than the 2013-14 school year? If you want proof, there was this one time on a forum around April 2013 when I posted my Tumblr in the shoutbox and someone made a joke about that place being overrun by horny 13 year old girls instead of making a joke about that place being overrun with SJW's.

Oh yeah 2012-2013 was as early 10s as you can get. That was the last school year of the early 2010s, and funny enough my last school year of high school. 2013-2014 you started to see the mid 10s appear.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/24/17 at 11:42 pm


I agree with bchris 2008 is definitely different than most of the '10s and obviously has more in common with the '00s in general. I've always thought that yes 2008 was the start of some changes, but just the start. Bush was still president for all of 2008, the Iraq War was still a major issue. Now by the end of the year when the economic crisis hit and Obama had been elected, that was more like the early 2010s. Early-mid 2008 really had little if anything in common with the 2010s however. Sure some things like social media were just starting to take off around 2008, but really only just barely, nowhere near like today. Smartphones were just starting to become consumer oriented, but few people had them yet. Music was mainly a mix of southern hip-hop/emo/post grunge style stuff, there was some "electropop" influences but it was just popping up.


2008 was a very transitional year and it had its own separate feel. It was a different vibe compared to the core 2000's (2003-2007) but at the same time it was the last full year of real 2000's culture and it wasn't completely early 2010's yet. 2008 had a lot of early 2010's influences but still more late 2000's culture as you mentioned.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/24/17 at 11:49 pm


2008 was a very transitional year and it had its own separate feel. It was a different vibe compared to the core 2000's (2003-2007) but at the same time it was the last full year of real 2000's culture and it wasn't completely early 2010's yet. 2008 had a lot of early 2010's influences but still more late 2000's culture as you mentioned.


I wouldn't necessarily say "a lot" of early 2010s influences.  Some big things happened though that would later become defining characteristics of the early '10s, like Obama being elected and Lady Gaga and Katy Perry gaining popularity.  Before September 2008, the year was almost purely '00s.  When discussing this you have to remember that not everybody was or is on the cutting edge.  I got an iPhone in late 2008.  Those who were on the cutting edge had them in 2007.  I was still an early adopter.  Smartphones didn't start taking over until 2010.

One big example of this in cultural history was the transition from vinyl/cassette to CD.  You could get CDs even in the mid-80s, but most people didn't start adopting them until the early '90s.  Therefore, I usually associate the '80s more with the waning days of vinyl and cassettes and I associate the '90s with CDs.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Brian06 on 03/24/17 at 11:51 pm


I wouldn't necessarily say "a lot" of early 2010s influences.  Some big things happened though that would later become defining characteristics of the early '10s, like Obama being elected and Lady Gaga and Katy Perry gaining popularity.  Before September 2008, the year was almost purely '00s.  When discussing this you have to remember that not everybody was or is on the cutting edge.  I got an iPhone in late 2008.  Those who were on the cutting edge had them in 2007.  I was still an early adopter.  Smartphones didn't start taking over until 2010.


Agreed. As I said in my earlier post there was very little if any early '10s influences in say March of 2008. Lady GaGa and Katy Perry were not popular until the summer and fall. Hell I still used AIM back then even. I actually had the very first iPhone in 2007 and that was very cutting edge at that time, and not quite ready for mass consumption really (SLOW 2G internet, buggy, no app store yet). The iPhone 3G (which the only update was 3G and GPS) didn't come out until around June of '08 along with the iPhone 2.0 software that the App Store came out in. Android did not come out until late in the year and it was awful back then. Windows Mobile also existed, but it was always a mess and not consumer friendly.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 12:03 am


I wouldn't necessarily say "a lot" of early 2010s influences.  Some big things happened though that would later become defining characteristics of the early '10s, like Obama being elected and Lady Gaga and Katy Perry gaining popularity.  Before September 2008, the year was almost purely '00s.  When discussing this you have to remember that not everybody was or is on the cutting edge.  I got an iPhone in late 2008.  Those who were on the cutting edge had them in 2007.  I was still an early adopter.  Smartphones didn't start taking over until 2010.


The first early 2010's influences started in late 2007 and it continued gaining up throughout 2008 & 2009 until it became predominant by fall 2009. I agree that early-mid 2008 was still '00s in general, but 2008 as a whole year had a different vibe than all the previous 2000's years. The Obama vs. McCain election, a lot of core 2000's shows being cancelled/ended, Facebook slowly gaining popularity, and the economy going downhill (recession) made that year have a different vibe. It wasn't part of the same era as 2004-2007, but at the same time it wasn't exactly like late 2009-2010 yet. 2008 was a transitional period. I'm not saying that 2008 wasn't 2000's but it certainly wasn't a core 2000's year anymore. I'm okay with early-mid 2008 being part of the same era as late 2006-2007 if we're strictly referring to late 2000's culture. But pure 2000's culture is a little stretch IMO unless your definition of quintessential 2000's is different. I agree that August or September 2008 was the major shift. 7th grade for me (2008-2009) had a completely different vibe compared to 6th grade (2007-2008).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Brian06 on 03/25/17 at 12:11 am


The first early 2010's influences started in late 2007 and it continued gaining up throughout 2008 & 2009 until it became predominant by fall 2009. I agree that early-mid 2008 was still '00s in general, but 2008 as a whole year had a different vibe than all the previous 2000's years. The Obama vs. McCain election, a lot of core 2000's shows being cancelled/ended, Facebook slowly gaining popularity, and the economy going downhill (recession) made that year have a different vibe. It wasn't part of the same era as 2004-2007, but at the same time it wasn't exactly like late 2009-2010 yet. 2008 was a transitional period. I'm not saying that 2008 wasn't 2000's but it certainly wasn't a core 2000's year anymore. I'm okay with early-mid 2008 being part of the same era as late 2006-2007 if we're strictly referring to late 2000's culture. But pure 2000's culture is a little stretch IMO unless your definition of quintessential 2000's is different. I agree that August or September 2008 was the major shift. 7th grade for me (2008-2009) had a completely different vibe compared to 6th grade (2007-2008).


I still think early '08 is very '00s, sure it's a bit different than say 2004 but still when you had the market crash and Obama actually get elected that was really a far bigger change and the year was in it's last months at that point. In early '08 you also have to remember too most thought Hillary was going to win, Obama was not a sure thing at all at that time. He wasn't officially the nominee until June I think. I still think of early and mid '08 as the last part of the early internet/AIM kind of times, and pre all the social media stuff. Myspace was really more like a Geocities kind of custom personal site than what we think of as the constantly connected social media today too.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/25/17 at 12:13 am


The first early 2010's influences started in late 2007 and it continued gaining up throughout 2008 & 2009 until it became predominant by fall 2009. I agree that early-mid 2008 was still '00s in general, but 2008 as a whole year had a different vibe than all the previous 2000's years. The Obama vs. McCain election, a lot of core 2000's shows being cancelled/ended, Facebook slowly gaining popularity, and the economy going downhill (recession) made that year have a different vibe. It wasn't part of the same era as 2004-2007, but at the same time it wasn't exactly like late 2009-2010 yet. 2008 was a transitional period. I'm not saying that 2008 wasn't 2000's but it certainly wasn't a core 2000's year anymore. I'm okay with early-mid 2008 being part of the same era as late 2006-2007 if we're strictly referring to late 2000's culture. But pure 2000's culture is a little stretch IMO unless your definition of quintessential 2000's is different. I agree that August or September 2008 was the major shift. 7th grade for me (2008-2009) had a completely different vibe compared to 6th grade (2007-2008).


I see what you are saying.  I think the way to put it is that 2008 was the swansong of the '00s.  I actually consider it pretty quintessentially '00s because they were at their most evolved state.  Everything that was popular and defined 2005 was still popular or at least relevant in 2008, and that includes emo and MySpace.  However, being a swansong, it did have a slightly different feel from the main show that was the '00s.  2008 was basically the punctuation mark at the end of the decade.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/25/17 at 12:15 am


Everything that was popular and defined 2005 was still popular or at least relevant in 2008, and that includes emo and MySpace.

Not true, the golden age of gaming (1990-mid 2006) was gone by 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/25/17 at 12:18 am


Not true, the golden age of gaming (1990-mid 2006) was gone by 2008.


You do have a point here, as I am a big PC gamer and the quality and amount of games coming out dropped drastically in late 2006.  The late '00s did have a few PC gems like BioShock and Crysis, but it was really a dark age compared to most of gaming history up to that point.  That was also when everything shifted to favor online multiplayer shooters on the consoles, such as Call of Duty.  The single player game virtually died in late 2006.  Like I had stated, there were a few gems but finding a single player experience like Half Life 2 and Doom 3 a few years earlier were slim pickings at that time.  I think it started to pick back up in 2011, but it still isn't what it once was.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/25/17 at 12:29 am


You do have a point here, as I am a big PC gamer and the quality and amount of games coming out dropped drastically in late 2006.  The late '00s did have a few PC gems like BioShock and Crysis, but it was really a dark age compared to most of gaming history up to that point.  That was also when everything shifted to favor online multiplayer shooters on the consoles, such as Call of Duty.  The single player game virtually died in late 2006.  Like I had stated, there were a few gems but finding a single player experience like Half Life 2 and Doom 3 a few years earlier were slim pickings at that time.  I think it started to pick back up in 2011, but it still isn't what it once was.

The late 2006 shift strikes AGAIN. What, this is like the 3000th time? ;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 12:46 am


The first early 2010's influences started in late 2007 and it continued gaining up throughout 2008 & 2009 until it became predominant by fall 2009. I agree that early-mid 2008 was still '00s in general, but 2008 as a whole year had a different vibe than all the previous 2000's years. The Obama vs. McCain election, a lot of core 2000's shows being cancelled/ended, Facebook slowly gaining popularity, and the economy going downhill (recession) made that year have a different vibe. It wasn't part of the same era as 2004-2007, but at the same time it wasn't exactly like late 2009-2010 yet. 2008 was a transitional period. I'm not saying that 2008 wasn't 2000's but it certainly wasn't a core 2000's year anymore. I'm okay with early-mid 2008 being part of the same era as late 2006-2007 if we're strictly referring to late 2000's culture. But pure 2000's culture is a little stretch IMO unless your definition of quintessential 2000's is different. I agree that August or September 2008 was the major shift. 7th grade for me (2008-2009) had a completely different vibe compared to 6th grade (2007-2008).

I agree, even as far as late 2007 you can see some early 2010s influences coming through. I think of all of 2008 as one big transitional year but with the biggest changes happening in fall. Compared to say mid 2007 which was still clearly mid 2000s (and core 2000s).  That's why I see the late 00s/early 10s as one era and the late 00s as very short. For music it was already apperent the sound was changing even in early 2008. In fact Lady Gaga and Katy Perry were still on the charts in early 2008 (just very far down) but they became more popular later in the year. Then Britney Spears came back later in the year and released her Circus album with the new sound as well.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/25/17 at 12:50 am


I agree, even as far as late 2007 you can see some early 2010s influences coming through. I think of all of 2008 as one big transitional year but with the biggest changes happening in fall. Compared to say mid 2007 which was still clearly mid 2000s (and core 2000s).  That's why I see the late 00s/early 10s as one era and the late 00s as very short.


There is nothing 2010s about late 2007.  Facebook was still mostly a college student thing back then.  Most people who did use social media used MySpace.  I didn't know anybody with an iPhone (and I would almost consider that iPhone to be '00s tech due to how slow and primitive it was compared to today's iPhones.  You can't point to the music because in late 2007, electropop was nowhere to be found yet.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 12:55 am


There is nothing 2010s about late 2007.  Facebook was still mostly a college student thing back then.  Most people who did use social media used MySpace.  I didn't know anybody with an iPhone (and I would almost consider that iPhone to be '00s tech due to how slow and primitive it was compared to today's iPhones.  You can't point to the music because in late 2007, electropop was nowhere to be found yet.

Actually electropop autotune releases did start in late 2007... That's actually the very reason why I think early 2010s influences started in late 2007. This song by Chris Brown came out in November 2007. The same autotuned dancey electronic sound of the late 00s/early 10s era. In fact, this was one of the first songs that started that trend.

5sMKX22BHeE

So little traces started appearing late 07' but 2008 on the whole was the real transition. Then the biggest shift like you said occurred in fall 2008 after the stock markets crashed and then it was clear we were in a completely different era and new world.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 1:06 am


There is nothing 2010s about late 2007.  Facebook was still mostly a college student thing back then.  Most people who did use social media used MySpace.  I didn't know anybody with an iPhone (and I would almost consider that iPhone to be '00s tech due to how slow and primitive it was compared to today's iPhones.  You can't point to the music because in late 2007, electropop was nowhere to be found yet.


Also, other little traces of early 2010's that began as early as "late 2007" were shows like Mad Men and Big Bang Theory premiering which would end up having a huge impact on 2010's culture. The recession technically started in late 2007 too even though the crash didn't happen until the following year. 2007 was the first full 100% 7th generation gaming year which is both late 00's and early 10's. Plus, 2007-08 was the season a lot of TV shows started filming in high definition for the first time (ESPN games started being broadcast in HD in late 2007) although in the majority of households people didn't have HDTV's yet, but networks started going HD before customers started owning HD themselves. Remember, these are early 2010's influences (not culture). Kinda like how the last bits of late 90's influences faded away in 2003 even though late 90's culture was gone by then.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Brian06 on 03/25/17 at 1:08 am


Actually electropop autotune releases did start in late 2007... That's actually the very reason why I think early 2010s influences started in late 2007. This song by Chris Brown came out in November 2007. The same autotuned dancey electronic sound of the late 00s/early 10s era. In fact, this was one of the first songs that started that trend.

5sMKX22BHeE

So little traces started appearing late 07' but 2008 on the whole was the real transition. Then the biggest shift like you said occurred in fall 2008 after the stock markets crashed and then it was clear we were in a completely different era and new world.


I remember "Forever" being a mid 2008 hit though. The album may have been released in late '07 and the song made in 2007, but still it wasn't a popular single until like mid 2008. "Kiss Kiss" was the first single that was big in late '07 and that was more like typical late '00s style hip pop.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/25/17 at 1:08 am


Also, other little traces of early 2010's that began as early as "late 2007" were shows like Mad Men and Big Bang Theory premiering which would end up having a huge impact on 2010's culture. The recession technically started in late 2007 too even though the crash didn't happen until the following year. 2007 was the first full 100% 7th generation gaming year which is both late 00's and early 10's. Plus, 2007-08 was the season a lot of TV shows started filming in high definition for the first time (ESPN games started being broadcast in HD in late 2007) although in the majority of households people didn't have HDTV's yet, but networks started going HD before customers started owning HD themselves. Remember, these are early 2010's influences (not culture). Kinda like how the last bits of late 90's influences faded away in 2003 even though late 90's culture was gone by then.

Also Keeping Up with the Kardashians was released in late 2007, and that show is early 2010s AF.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 1:09 am


I remember "Forever" being a mid 2008 hit though. The album may have been released in late '07 and the song made in 2007, but still it wasn't a popular single until like mid 2008. "Kiss Kiss" was the first single that was big in late '07 and that was more like typical late '00s style hip pop.

Oh yeah totally. But my point was there were releases in late 2007 which kind of hinted the early 2010s, not that early 2010s culture was popular in late 2007. I just meant little traces that were to come, I still think 2007 is the last full year of classic 2000s culture and 2008 was the real transitional year. You're right this song didn't get popular until spring 2008. But I do think it's a common misconception that Lady Gaga started the electropop trend. She just came in at the right time while other artists were starting to adopt the new sound. She probably just made it last a lot longer thanks to her success.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Brian06 on 03/25/17 at 1:12 am


Oh yeah totally. But my point was there were releases in late 2007 which kind of hinted the early 2010s, not that early 2010s culture was popular in late 2007. I just meant little traces that were to come, I still think 2007 is the last full year of classic 2000s culture.


Yeah I'd agree with traces being existent, but I'm talking more about the overall mainstream popular culture and feel of most of 2008 (and say late 2007) and that had very little in common with the early 2010s imo.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/25/17 at 1:12 am

I remember late 2007 as far as the economy.  2007 itself was actually a pretty good year for the economy.  The stock market was at record highs for that time, retail sales were at record highs, etc.  It was the last hurrah for the economy though and everybody knew it.  Throughout fall 2007, sites like cnbc were all predicting the housing collapse would bring down the entire economy in 2008.  Most people weren't feeling recession though yet and a lot of people didn't believe it would get that bad.  Even as late as mid 2008, you had quite a few people denying that there even was a recession being that the original GDP report for Q4 07-Q2 08, before revision, all showed growth, albeit extremely weak.  September 2008 was when we knew that things were about to get nasty.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 1:15 am


September 2008 was when we knew that things were about to get nasty.

I thought August 2008 was when it was official?  ???

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 1:16 am


There is nothing 2010s about late 2007.  Facebook was still mostly a college student thing back then.

Actually my friend (who was in highschool) introduced me to Facebook in November 2007. And my sister already had it at the time. It was actually a teen thing and became quite well known among young people in late 2007.

funny story on the side: He tried to convince me to open up a Facebook back in late 2007. I didn't want to do it because I was scared about the privacy issues, I was 12 at the time, but now looking back I totally should have done it instead of waiting until August 2008! I would have been the first out of my friends to get one if I were to let him create an account for me.  ;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/25/17 at 1:25 am


I thought August 2008 was when it was official?  ???


It was, but we still didn't know the magnitude of it.  Some still thought it could be a normal recession like the ones in the early '00s and the early '90s.  September 29, 2008 was the date of the largest stock market crash in history.  That is when Bush spoke to the nation requesting the $700 billion TARP bailout.  That's how we knew we were f*cked.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 1:31 am


It was, but we still didn't know the magnitude of it.  Some still thought it could be a normal recession like the ones in the early '00s and the early '90s.  September 29, 2008 was the date of the largest stock market crash in history.  That is when Bush spoke to the nation requesting the $700 billion TARP bailout.  That's how we knew we were f*cked.

Ah okay. Yeah I remember that time like it was yesterday. I was in junior high and everyone was talking about. That's why 2009 was kind of a depressing year even though the music (and fashion) was still really upbeat and colourful.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Brian06 on 03/25/17 at 1:35 am


It was, but we still didn't know the magnitude of it.  Some still thought it could be a normal recession like the ones in the early '00s and the early '90s.  September 29, 2008 was the date of the largest stock market crash in history.  That is when Bush spoke to the nation requesting the $700 billion TARP bailout.  That's how we knew we were f*cked.


I remember that particular day and I remember when the Dow bottomed out at like 6500 in early '09. I was on this board posting about it. It had been up to around 14k in late 2007 I think. That was quite an insane drop. Today it's around 20500 or something.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/25/17 at 1:40 am


I remember that particular day and I remember when the Dow bottomed out at like 6500 in early '09. I was on this board posting about it. It had been up to around 14k in late 2007 I think. That was quite an insane drop. Today it's around 20500 or something.


Correct.  I remember in July or August 2008, Cramer (CNBC) called "bottom" saying that was the worst the economy was going to get and everyone could mark his words on it.  As we all know, he was wrong.  Few people, until September 2008, would admit the magnitude of the situation aside from the doom and gloomers online who were predicting complete collapse and mass civil unrest.  There were some obscure blogs that got it right.  I remember one I read back in late 2007 that predicted exactly what happened and even predicted that the bottom would fall out in September 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Brian06 on 03/25/17 at 1:44 am


Correct.  I remember in July or August 2008, Cramer (CNBC) called "bottom" saying that was the worst the economy was going to get and everyone could mark his words on it.  As we all know, he was wrong.  Few people, until September 2008, would admit the magnitude of the situation aside from the doom and gloomers online who were predicting complete collapse and mass civil unrest.  There were some obscure blogs that got it right.  I remember one I read back in late 2007 that predicted exactly what happened and even predicted that the bottom would fall out in September 2008.


Yeah I remember hearing about that we were in recession now in spring 2008, but it was not considered an economic crisis at that time. By mid-late September and specifically after the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy and the stock market crash shortly after that, it was a true economic crisis.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/25/17 at 6:00 am


I remember "Forever" being a mid 2008 hit though. The album may have been released in late '07 and the song made in 2007, but still it wasn't a popular single until like mid 2008. "Kiss Kiss" was the first single that was big in late '07 and that was more like typical late '00s style hip pop.


Actually, "Forever" pretty much epitomizes late 2000s music. With its galloping drums and synthesizers being light, high-pitched, and only sparingly applied, it draws clear inspiration from songs of the Timbaland Renaissance music of the late 2000s like "The Way I Are" and "SexyBack."

By comparison, "Yeah 3x," also by Chris Brown, is a dramatic leap into real 2010s electropop territory, and that song only came out in 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mC2ixOAivA

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 12:36 pm


Actually, "Forever" pretty much epitomizes late 2000s music. With its galloping drums and synthesizers being light, high-pitched, and only sparingly applied, it draws clear inspiration from songs of the Timbaland Renaissance music of the late 2000s like "The Way I Are" and "SexyBack."

By comparison, "Yeah 3x," also by Chris Brown, is a dramatic leap into real 2010s electropop territory, and that song only came out in 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mC2ixOAivA

late 00s music and early 10s is he same thing, using autotune and that  light synthesizer style applied. There's no difference and this style started in 2008. Sexy Back is an anomaly. It does not define any era as it was a unique song for its time and music like that was not popular in 2006.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/25/17 at 12:57 pm


late 00s music and early 10s is he same thing, using autotune and that  light synthesizer style applied. There's no difference and this style started in 2008.


The difference is that "Forever" is still primarily in hip hop/urban territory as far as its production values go, tying it more to FutureSex/LoveSounds and Loose than The Fame Monster or Teenage Dream. "Yeah 3x," on the other hand, is completely and utterly dance/electronica, a dramatic change in direction for somebody who was the very face of pop urban for a number of years. It's the type of song you'd expect only to be popular in Europe during the 2000s, not the rap-obsessed America at the time.

Some late 2000s songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5rLz5AZBIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3yHhiqQaEU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd8jh9QYfEs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elueA2rofoo


Some very-end-of-2000s/early 2010s songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkyhvCdJ_vM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-dvTjK_07c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Edv8Onsrgg


Whether or not you correlate the upbeat tempos of the late 2000s songs with the early 2010s ones, it's still pretty evident, I think, that the latter numbers have far juicier, electronica-infused production qualities and aren't just drumlines with synthesizers used no more than they were from The Chronic though Tha Carter III.

Sexy Back is an anomaly. It does not define any era as it was a unique song for its time and music like that was not popular in 2006.

Seriously? Just compare it to the late 2000s songs I listed above. It's hardly a novelty in the "Macarena" or "Asereje" sense.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 1:06 pm


The difference is that "Forever" is still primarily in hip hop/urban territory as far as its production values go, tying it more to FutureSex/LoveSounds and Loose than The Fame Monster or Teenage Dream. "Yeah 3x," on the other hand, is completely and utterly dance/electronica, a dramatic change in direction for somebody who was the very face of pop urban for a number of years. It's the type of song you'd expect only to be popular in Europe during the 2000s, not the rap-obsessed America at the time.

Some late 2000s songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5rLz5AZBIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3yHhiqQaEU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd8jh9QYfEs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elueA2rofoo


Some very-end-of-2000s/early 2010s songs:


Yeah but Sexy Back isn't like those songs, it sounds different and unique. These songs are kind of like the upbeat songs of the mid 2000s like "Yeah" by Usher for example. Anyways, I guess I just don't really hear a "late 00s" style of music and always incorporate most of the electronic sounding songs with the early 10s and less electronic sounding songs with the mid 00s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/25/17 at 1:06 pm


Actually, "Forever" pretty much epitomizes late 2000s music. With its galloping drums and synthesizers being light, high-pitched, and only sparingly applied, it draws clear inspiration from songs of the Timbaland Renaissance music of the late 2000s like "The Way I Are" and "SexyBack."

By comparison, "Yeah 3x," also by Chris Brown, is a dramatic leap into real 2010s electropop territory, and that song only came out in 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mC2ixOAivA


Forever is definitely an '00s song.  I associate that song primarily with the show The Office, which, while it continued into the early '10s, was in its prime in the late '00s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/25/17 at 1:32 pm

I noticed a lot of you guys are saying 2009 is early 10's like 2010 and 2011 but that's also wrong.

You see, this came out in 2009:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Rebelution.png

Stylistically, it's closer to this from 2007:

http://nappyafro.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/the-boat-lift-nappyafro.jpg

This came out in 2011:

http://cdn-s3.allmusic.com/release-covers/500/0003/266/0003266759.jpg

As the evidence shows, 2007 is the true beginnings of the 2010's era. Since Pitbull's 2009 album is stylistically closer to his 2007 album, that would mean both years are early 10's. Pitbull expanded his sound to a more layer and stereotypical 2010's sound on 2011's Planet Pit, a sound which was continued on with his 2014 album Globalization. What does this mean?

The early 10's = 2007-2009

The mid 10's are 2010-2016

The late 10's are 2017-present
 

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 03/25/17 at 1:39 pm


I noticed a lot of you guys are saying 2009 is early 10's like 2010 and 2011 but that's also wrong.

You see, this came out in 2009:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Rebelution.png

Stylistically, it's closer to this from 2007:

http://nappyafro.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/the-boat-lift-nappyafro.jpg

This came out in 2011:

http://cdn-s3.allmusic.com/release-covers/500/0003/266/0003266759.jpg

As the evidence shows, 2007 is the true beginnings of the 2010's era. Since Pitbull's 2009 album is stylistically closer to his 2007 album, that would mean both years are early 10's. Pitbull expanded his sound to a more layer and stereotypical 2010's sound on 2011's Planet Pit, a sound which was continued on with his 2014 album Globalization. What does this mean?

The early 10's = 2007-2009

The mid 10's are 2010-2016

The late 10's are 2017-present



Oh...come on.

The first Pitbull songs I can think of that had an early '10s sound were probably Hotel Room Service and I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho).  Those two songs combined electropop with hip-hop and were excellent.

His earlier stuff didn't get a lot of radio airplay compared to his 2009-2012 stuff.  I remember Culo and Toma in 2004, but those were mid '00s songs with hispanic influence.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 1:44 pm


Oh...come on.

The first Pitbull songs I can think of that had an early '10s sound were probably Hotel Room Service and I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho).  Those two songs combined electropop with hip-hop and were excellent.

His earlier stuff didn't get a lot of radio airplay compared to his 2009-2012 stuff.  I remember Culo and Toma in 2004, but those were mid '00s songs with hispanic influence.


I agree, Hotel Room Service sounds early '10s. Now whether it sounds "excellent" is another debate.  :-X

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/25/17 at 1:45 pm


Oh...come on.

The first Pitbull songs I can think of that had an early '10s sound were probably Hotel Room Service and I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho).  Those two songs combined electropop with hip-hop and were excellent.

His earlier stuff didn't get a lot of radio airplay compared to his 2009-2012 stuff.  I remember Culo and Toma in 2004, but those were mid '00s songs with hispanic influence.


Those are excellent songs, yes, but obviously you've never listened to The Boatlift. ::) That album began the 2010's when it dropped. Probably the most hyped up album of 2007.

All his albums before The Boatlift are trashy 00's rap crap and I don't care about his first two albums at all. He started making quality music in 2007 and that's when his big hits came. You clearly don't remember The Anthem, which established his new image as the classy Mr. 305 (2007-2011). That's another thing that makes 2011 mid 10's. Until 2011, he was Mr. 305 but with the release of Planet Pit, he became Mr. Worldwide. It's so clear now! 2007-2010 is early 10's and 2011-2016 is mid 10's. It's all coming together.


I agree, Hotel Room Service sounds early '10s. Now whether it sounds "excellent" is another debate.  :-X


How is it up to debate? It's probably the best song of 2009.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 1:47 pm

What and who is Pitbull?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/25/17 at 1:49 pm


What and who is Pitbull?


How do you not know who Pitbull is!? He's the biggest rapper of the 21st century! They don't call him Mr. Worldwide for nothing. 8)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 1:50 pm


How do you not know who Pitbull is!? He's the biggest rapper of the 21st century! They don't call him Mr. Worldwide for nothing. 8)

Never heard of him. Is he American?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/25/17 at 1:52 pm


Never heard of him. Is he American?


Yep. He's straight outta Miami, Florida... 305... 8)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/25/17 at 1:53 pm


What and who is Pitbull?


I'm one of the most sheltered and culturally slow people in the world, and even I know who Pitbull is!  :o  :o  :o

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 1:55 pm

The Boatlift sounds mid-2000s, just sampling a few songs off of it like Go Girl and My Life (which sounds like a 2006 Ne-Yo song).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 1:56 pm


What and who is Pitbull?

Pitbulll is a bald guy who always wears sunglasses and thinks he's cool.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 1:58 pm


I'm one of the most sheltered and culturally slow people in the world, and even I know who Pitbull is!  :o  :o  :o


He was the guy featured in that Kesha and Xtina song!


Pitbulll is a bald guy who always wears sunglasses and thinks he's cool.


What's wrong with bald guys wearing sunglasses?  >:(

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/25/17 at 1:59 pm


The Boatlift sounds mid-2000s, just sampling a few songs off of it like Go Girl and My Life (which sounds like a 2006 Ne-Yo song).


If it sounds mid 00's then why is he dressing all suave and classy on the cover then? ::) On his previous album he was still pretending to be a thug and wearing trashy clothes, which was typical of the 00's, and The Boatlift changed all of this with it's sophisticated approach to rap.


Pitbulll is a bald guy who always wears sunglasses and thinks he's cool.


Correction: It IS cool. 8)

Hey, look! This emoticon kinda looks like Pitbull! DALE! 8)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/25/17 at 1:59 pm


He was the guy featured in that Kesha and Xtina song!

What's wrong with bald guys wearing sunglasses?  >:(


Isn't that Britney's sister, or something?  ;D  ;)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 1:59 pm


Yep. He's straight outta Miami, Florida... 305... 8)


I'm one of the most sheltered and culturally slow people in the world, and even I know who Pitbull is!  :o  :o  :o


Pitbulll is a bald guy who always wears sunglasses and thinks he's cool.

;D ;D ;D ;D Of course, I know who Pitbull is. Pitbull has some bangers.  ;)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/25/17 at 2:02 pm


;D ;D ;D ;D Of course, I know who Pitbull is. Pitbull has some bangers.  ;)


Thank god! I was worried for a second there that someone in the world might actually be missing out on the greatness of Mr. Worldwide!! :o

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 2:05 pm


Thank god! I was worried for a second there that someone in the world might actually be missing out on the greatness of Mr. Worldwide!! :o

"Every action there is a reaction"  ;)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 2:06 pm


If it sounds mid 00's then why is he dressing all suave and classy on the cover then? ::) On his previous album he was still pretending to be a thug and wearing trashy clothes, which was typical of the 00's, and The Boatlift changed all of this with it's sophisticated approach to rap.

Correction: It IS cool. 8)

Hey, look! This emoticon kinda looks like Pitbull! DALE! 8)


It's like Justin Timberlake's Sexy Back, he wore a suit too.

This song "Midnight" could pass for late 2000s though.

But Hotel Room Service, I Know You Want Me, Across The World and Krazy sound early '10s. Sorry, Pitbull just proves again that 2007/2008 is late 2000s and late 2009 is early '10s. Following Gaga's lead!

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 2:07 pm


Isn't that Britney's sister, or something?  ;D  ;)


They call her Xtincta now. RIP.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/25/17 at 2:10 pm


"Every action there is a reaction"  ;)


Dale! ;)


It's like Justin Timberlake's Sexy Back, he wore a suit too.

This song "Midnight" could pass for late 2000s though.

But Hotel Room Service, I Know You Want Me, Across The World and Krazy sound early '10s. Sorry, Pitbull just proves again that 2007/2008 is late 2000s and late 2009 is early '10s. Following Gaga's lead!


No, it's not the same thing at all. Justin Timberlake will never be as suave and classy as Pitbull. He can try and rip off his style with songs like Suit and Tie but it will never match up to the couth sophistication of Pitbull's peak era (2007-present). 8)

Krazy came out in 2008. ;) You need to re-listen to the Boatlift as it doesn't sound 00's at all. It's too classy and cultured to be put among the ranks of G-Unit and friends.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/25/17 at 2:15 pm


They call her Xtincta now. RIP.


At least Britney appears to want her own career to end, or slowly fade to the background.

Xtincta, ouch!  ;D  :P  :P

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/25/17 at 2:17 pm


Yeah but Sexy Back isn't like those songs, it sounds different and unique. These songs are kind of like the upbeat songs of the mid 2000s like "Yeah" by Usher for example. Anyways, I guess I just don't really hear a "late 00s" style of music and always incorporate most of the electronic sounding songs with the early 10s and less electronic sounding songs with the mid 00s.


Every song can be described as "unique." You can't even give a specific description of how "SexyBack" has nothing in common with all the other countless Timbaland Renaissance and wannabe-Timbaland productions popular throughout the late 2000s.

How are any of those songs similar to "Yeah!"? "Yeah!" is a Lil' Jon-produced crunk song without the booming, galloping drums that dominated late 2000s urban music. Aside from Baby Bash's "Cyclone" and Pitbull's pre-electropop material like "Hotel Room Service" (more on that soon...), Lil' Jon productions weren't relevant in the late 2000s.


I agree, Hotel Room Service sounds early '10s. Now whether it sounds "excellent" is another debate.  :-X


"Hotel Room Service" is much more late 2000s, in my opinion. It's stylistically pretty similar to stuff like "Low" and "Fergalicious." It sounds nothing like "Baby I Like It" or "DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love," both of which came out a mere year later. Even "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)" is pretty darn close to "The Anthem," the latter of which also features a saxophone loop that's pretty similar to "Hotel Room Service's" sample of "Push the Feeling On" by Nightcrawlers.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 2:18 pm


At least Britney appears to want her own career to end, or slowly fade to the background.

Xtincta, ouch!  ;D  :P  :P

Xtincta  ;D ;D ;D. No, they should called her Dos Equis (XX) because she a woman (woman have 2 X chromosomes) and because she's a genie in a bottle baby.  ;)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 2:19 pm


Dale! ;)

No, it's not the same thing at all. Justin Timberlake will never be as suave and classy as Pitbull. He can try and rip off his style with songs like Suit and Tie but it will never match up to the couth sophistication of Pitbull's peak era (2007-present). 8)

Krazy came out in 2008. ;) You need to re-listen to the Boatlift as it doesn't sound 00's at all. It's too classy and cultured to be put among the ranks of G-Unit and friends.


But Timberlake was doing the whole classy look before Pitbull. Is there any true question as to who's setting the industry standards?

Yeah but Krazy came out after Poker Face came out.  :-X And is Go Girl really all that classy and cultured?  :o

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/25/17 at 2:19 pm


Xtincta  ;D ;D ;D. No, they should called her Dos Equis (XX) because she a woman (woman have 2 X chromosomes) and because she's a genie in a bottle baby.  ;)


;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/25/17 at 2:25 pm


But Timberlake was doing the whole classy look before Pitbull. Is there any true question as to who's setting the industry standards?

Yeah but Krazy came out after Poker Face came out.  :-X And is Go Girl really all that classy and cultured?  :o


Except Pitbull perfected the formula. Justin Timberlake wasn't dedicated to being classy as his other videos from that era (like What Goes Around) feature him in trashy 00's clothes. Pitbull went classy and stayed that way.

Doesn't matter, Pitbull had more impact on popular culture than Lady Gaga. ;) And yes, Go Girl is a very suave song. 8)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 2:32 pm


"Hotel Room Service" is much more late 2000s, in my opinion. It's stylistically pretty similar to stuff like "Low" and "Fergalicious." It sounds nothing like "Baby I Like It" or "DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love," both of which came out a mere year later. Even "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)" is pretty darn close to "The Anthem," the latter of which also features a saxophone loop that's pretty similar to "Hotel Room Service's" sample of "Push the Feeling On" by Nightcrawlers.


Hotel Room Service rhythmically sounds a lot like Boom Boom Pow, although I guess that's also technically late 2000s.

DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love is in the same vein as songs like Dynamite by Taio Cruz, which came out late 2009. They're a lot more danceable. :D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/25/17 at 2:36 pm


Hotel Room Service rhythmically sounds a lot like Boom Boom Pow, although I guess that's also technically late 2000s.


That song also sounds more late 2000s, in contrast to "I Gotta Feeling," "Meet Me Halfway," and especially "Rock That Body" having more early '10s production.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 2:37 pm

#Infinity I just want to know who is that in your profile pic?

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Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 2:39 pm


"I Gotta Feeling"


That song was overplayed throughout the 2009-10 season/school year. It's when Black Eyed Peas was coming up with electropop songs for a short period of time including "Imma Be".

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 2:43 pm


That song was overplayed throughout the 2009-10 season/school year. It's when Black Eyed Peas was coming up with electropop songs for a short period of time including "Imma Be".

Overplayed is an understatement. Those songs were basically implanted into our brains back then.  :-X  ;D ;D ;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/25/17 at 2:49 pm


#Infinity I just want to know who is that in your profile pic?


Rachel Stevens, former member of S Club 7 who released two excellent solo albums in the mid-2000s (though she hardly wrote anything on either of them) and is now one of the judges on the Irish version of The Voice, even though she's English. I guess you can say she's technically the definition of a manufactured celebrity, but she's actually a surprisingly down-to-earth and unpretentious individual who lives a fairly laid-back life (i.e., she's married to her non-famous high school sweetheart, not some mega pop star or footballer and doesn't live in an extravagant mansion like Adele), and she was consistently lucky to appear on so many of the best pop songs of the 2000s. Also, just as a performer rather than an artist, she's pretty talented and charismatic, so maybe the quality of her solo work is actually not quite a coincidence. She's a sort of modern style icon to me and was possibly even my first celebrity crush, which is why I like having her as my avatar.

Actually, while we're on the subject of 2000s music evolving into 2010s music, some of Rachel Stevens' music from her second album, released way back in 2005, could have easily passed for early '10s electropop that would've appealed to American listeners at the time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tm7TLaQKDk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5sizoiru7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fGxtVjZ-rI

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 2:52 pm


That song also sounds more late 2000s, in contrast to "I Gotta Feeling," "Meet Me Halfway," and especially "Rock That Body" having more early '10s production.

To me there's a distinction between 2009 hits like Boom Boom Pow, Hotel Room Service or Whatever You Like and the 2007/2008 hits which I associate more with hits like Smack That by Akon, Get It Shawty by Lloyd, or Sexy Can I by Ray J. Although I agree 2008 gets a bit more blurry.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 2:56 pm


Rachel Stevens, former member of S Club 7 who released two excellent solo albums in the mid-2000s (though she hardly wrote anything on either of them) and is now one of the judges on the Irish version of The Voice, even though she's English. I guess you can say she's technically the definition of a manufactured celebrity, but she's actually a surprisingly down-to-earth and unpretentious individual who lives a fairly laid-back life (i.e., she's married to her non-famous high school sweetheart, not some mega pop star or footballer and doesn't live in an extravagant mansion like Adele), and she was consistently lucky to appear on so many of the best pop songs of the 2000s. Also, just as a performer rather than an artist, she's pretty talented and charismatic, so maybe the quality of her solo work is actually not quite a coincidence. She's a sort of modern style icon to me and was possibly even my first celebrity crush, which is why I like having her as my avatar.

Actually, while we're on the subject of 2000s music evolving into 2010s music, some of Rachel Stevens' music from her second album, released wack back in 2005, could have easily passed for early '10s electropop that would've appealed to American listeners at the time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tm7TLaQKDk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5sizoiru7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fGxtVjZ-rI

Thanks and thanks for the extra info.  :) :) :)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/25/17 at 3:25 pm

I just wanted to say something about Pitbull. He was actually suave in his second album. Just because he dressed as a thug doesn't mean he wasn't getting the ladies.

As for those songs mentioned, they were clearly 00s at best. I don't think those tracks would have been made in 2010. Besides, they were on the radio before electropop exploded into popularity.

Oh, and Chris Brown's second album is definitely 00s including the song Forever. I remember hearing that track play all throughout Summer 2008, and it truly had aspects of the decade.


Rachel Stevens, former member of S Club 7 who released two excellent solo albums in the mid-2000s (though she hardly wrote anything on either of them) and is now one of the judges on the Irish version of The Voice, even though she's English. I guess you can say she's technically the definition of a manufactured celebrity, but she's actually a surprisingly down-to-earth and unpretentious individual who lives a fairly laid-back life (i.e., she's married to her non-famous high school sweetheart, not some mega pop star or footballer and doesn't live in an extravagant mansion like Adele), and she was consistently lucky to appear on so many of the best pop songs of the 2000s. Also, just as a performer rather than an artist, she's pretty talented and charismatic, so maybe the quality of her solo work is actually not quite a coincidence. She's a sort of modern style icon to me and was possibly even my first celebrity crush, which is why I like having her as my avatar.

Actually, while we're on the subject of 2000s music evolving into 2010s music, some of Rachel Stevens' music from her second album, released way back in 2005, could have easily passed for early '10s electropop that would've appealed to American listeners at the time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tm7TLaQKDk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5sizoiru7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fGxtVjZ-rI
Not gonna lie, but your avatar is gorgeous. Would you be excited if you were to meet in her in person?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 3:39 pm


Not gonna lie, but your avatar is gorgeous. Would you be excited if you were to meet in her in person?

That's the reason why I wanted to know who she was.  ;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 4:59 pm


To me there's a distinction between 2009 hits like Boom Boom Pow, Hotel Room Service or Whatever You Like and the 2007/2008 hits which I associate more with hits like Smack That by Akon, Get It Shawty by Lloyd, or Sexy Can I by Ray J. Although I agree 2008 gets a bit more blurry.

Yeah to me I just don't hear the distinction to many of these songs from 2008 but I guess there is. Maybe a better way of putting it is the production and sound of music started changing in 2008. Because the overall modern sounding production quality for pop songs you hear now has started in 2008. Kind of an electronic vibe. But before that I associate a lot of music with an slow old-school R&B vibe to it.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 5:02 pm


Oh, and Chris Brown's second album is definitely 00s including the song Forever. I remember hearing that track play all throughout Summer 2008, and it truly had aspects of the decade.
Not gonna lie, but your avatar is gorgeous. Would you be excited if you were to meet in her in person?

The song Forever sounds nothing like a classic 2000s song. It was one of the first songs that started the autotune trend that became popular in the 2010s. His song "With You" from 2007 is a lot more classic 2000s sounding. Actually I remember whenever I heard the song Forever in 2008 I knew music was already changing a lot. The autotune he used in that song was very new and fresh for the time.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/25/17 at 9:33 pm


I just wanted to say something about Pitbull. He was actually suave in his second album. Just because he dressed as a thug doesn't mean he wasn't getting the ladies.


But he wasn't. You see, it's not just about getting the ladies. It's also about his whole disposition that made Pitbull what he is. The first two albums feature the usual tired 00's faux-urban trashy rap music with nothing of real content. Low brow stuff. The Boatlift changed music. It brought back sophisticated qualities, things that had been missing from popular culture for quite some time. When the Anthem came out, I knew then and there that the 2010's had begun.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/25/17 at 9:43 pm


But he wasn't. You see, it's not just about getting the ladies. It's also about his whole disposition that made Pitbull what he is. The first two albums feature the usual tired 00's faux-urban trashy rap music with nothing of real content. Low brow stuff. The Boatlift changed music. It brought back sophisticated qualities, things that had been missing from popular culture for quite some time. When the Anthem came out, I knew then and there that the 2010's had begun.


The 00's was pretty trashy!  ::)

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Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 10:18 pm


The 00's was pretty trashy!  ::)


The decade of Paris Hilton and Donald Trump.  8-P

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/25/17 at 10:19 pm


The decade of Paris Hilton and Donald Trump.  8-P


The 2010's aren't as bad, but it's still there.  :(

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Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 10:25 pm


The 2010's aren't as bad, but it's still there.  :(


At least reality TV is mostly dead. This decade has a bigger obsession with butts, not that I disagree.  :-X

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/25/17 at 10:31 pm


At least reality TV is mostly dead. This decade has a bigger obsession with butts, not that I disagree.  :-X


I believe that trash culture is slowly drifting away. I blame Jerry Springer, partly.  ;D

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Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 10:33 pm


I believe that trash culture is slowly drifting away. I blame Jerry Springer, partly.  ;D


Don't forget Maury Povich. "You are NOT the baby daddy!"

http://assets.naointendo.com.br/uploads/2009/10/1255825627860.gif

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Written By: 80sfan on 03/25/17 at 10:35 pm

;D  ;D  ;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/25/17 at 10:36 pm


At least reality TV is mostly dead. This decade has a bigger obsession with butts, not that I disagree.  :-X

It's mostly female butts though, I'm guessing to your dismay.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/25/17 at 10:37 pm

I wanted imitate those 12 year old girls that dressed too sexy for their age (on those trash talk shows), when I was 8 years old! Um, I definitely had subconscious issues.  :(  :(

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 10:43 pm


It's mostly female butts though, I'm guessing to your dismay.


I can always appreciate a good pair no matter who has one, unless it's Big Mama or Big Bertha or something.


I wanted imitate those 12 year olds that dressed too sexy for their age (on those trash talk shows), when I was 8 years old! Um, I definitely had subconscious issues.  :(  :(


When I was 12, girls were showing whaletails and the guys had their sagging pants.  ::)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/25/17 at 10:46 pm

I wanted to be those girls age 12 to 15, that did their makeup too much, and looked a bit trashy.  :-X  :(

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 10:52 pm


I wanted to be those girls age 12 to 15, that did their makeup too much, and looked a bit trashy.  :-X  :(


A tank top, studded belt, flared jeans and lip piercing, with beer bottle in hand. Completely overdo the mascara like Avril Lavigne. Super 2000s. ;D

For guys it was spiked hair, a sports shirt, a chain with a lock on it like John Cena, and riduclously baggy/cargo pants LOL I plucked out one of my jeans from high school and I thought "did I wear THAT?" :o I thought it was my brother's ;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/25/17 at 11:15 pm


The song Forever sounds nothing like a classic 2000s song. It was one of the first songs that started the autotune trend that became popular in the 2010s. His song "With You" from 2007 is a lot more classic 2000s sounding. Actually I remember whenever I heard the song Forever in 2008 I knew music was already changing a lot. The autotune he used in that song was very new and fresh for the time.
Yes. It does. Once again it came out before the explosion of electropop, and I honestly don't remember that song having much autotune. The one that comes to mind on that is this track.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HZwMX6T5Jhk


But he wasn't. You see, it's not just about getting the ladies. It's also about his whole disposition that made Pitbull what he is. The first two albums feature the usual tired 00's faux-urban trashy rap music with nothing of real content. Low brow stuff. The Boatlift changed music. It brought back sophisticated qualities, things that had been missing from popular culture for quite some time. When the Anthem came out, I knew then and there that the 2010's had begun.
Are you saying he changed the rap game, and since then everyone has been following his style?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/25/17 at 11:44 pm


Yes. It does. Once again it came out before the explosion of electropop, and I honestly don't remember that song having much autotune. The one that comes to mind on that is this track.


You can't hear the autotune in the song Forever?  ??? It's almost the only thing I hear lol.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/26/17 at 12:37 am

If "Forever's" use of autotune was really that pivotal to the development of early 2010s music, I suppose we may as well call Cher's "Believe" an early '10s song as well. After all, it's an electronic/dance song with constant use of autotune.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/26/17 at 12:45 am

Not gonna lie, but your avatar is gorgeous. Would you be excited if you were to meet in her in person?

Absolutely! She seems friendly enough that meeting her would only endear me further to her rather than spoil my appreciation of her.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: aja675 on 03/26/17 at 12:56 am


I wanted to be those girls age 12 to 15, that did their makeup too much, and looked a bit trashy.  :-X  :(
I'm reminded of this one girl who likes my pictures whom my mom thought was skanky for having pictures with her cleavage out despite looking 17 or 18, when in truth she was 22 or 23, albeit baby faced.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/26/17 at 1:11 am


I'm reminded of this one girl who likes my pictures whom my mom thought was skanky for having pictures with her cleavage out despite looking 17 or 18, when in truth she was 22 or 23, albeit baby faced.


Haha!

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 80sfan on 03/26/17 at 1:14 am

Back on topic, 2008 was pretty 00's. But could definitely tell we were slowly, or not so slowly, moving towards a new pop culture, though.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/26/17 at 1:05 pm


If "Forever's" use of autotune was really that pivotal to the development of early 2010s music, I suppose we may as well call Cher's "Believe" an early '10s song as well. After all, it's an electronic/dance song with constant use of autotune.

Believe is another example of an anomaly. No songs sounded like that at the time.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 03/26/17 at 1:06 pm


Back on topic, 2008 was pretty 00's. But could definitely tell we were slowly, or not so slowly, moving towards a new pop culture, though.

There are some 2000s stuff still popular but overall I think 2008 was a big transitional year into the 2010s.

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Written By: bchris02 on 03/26/17 at 7:11 pm


Believe is another example of an anomaly. No songs sounded like that at the time.


Believe was actually a throwback to the sound of the '80s, with a little '90s dance mixed in. I remember I was 13 when that song came out and when I first heard it, it sounded like an '80s song.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/27/17 at 8:16 pm


Are you saying he changed the rap game, and since then everyone has been following his style?


Yes. Pitbull is probably the most influential rapper in the game right now.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/27/17 at 8:18 pm


Yes. Pitbull is probably the most influential rapper in the game right now.
No. That would be Drake. Pitbull hasn't been relevant for at least a few years now.

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Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/27/17 at 8:21 pm


No. That would be Drake. Pitbull hasn't been relevant for at least a few years now.


You must not pay attention to who brings the mad party tracks. Pitbull is still chill-af and brings down the house. 8) His peak has lasted 10 years and counting!

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/27/17 at 8:34 pm


You must not pay attention to who brings the mad party tracks. Pitbull is still chill-af and brings down the house. 8) His peak has lasted 10 years and counting!
Yes I do. And lololol. His peak lasted for a few years. It's Drake who's very popular right now.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/27/17 at 8:36 pm


Yes I do. And lololol. His peak lasted for a few years. It's Drake who's very popular right now.


I agree. Drake is a huge artist right now but he isn't as lit-af as Pitbull. Trust me, Pitbull's bringing the hype.

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Written By: 2001 on 03/27/17 at 8:53 pm


Yes I do. And lololol. His peak lasted for a few years. It's Drake who's very popular right now.


Tell him! Talent always wins! Especially Canadian talent!

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/27/17 at 8:59 pm


Tell him! Talent always wins! Especially Canadian talent!


I didn't know "talent" involved ripping of the greats, such as Pitbull. ::)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/27/17 at 9:12 pm


I didn't know "talent" involved ripping of the greats, such as Pitbull. ::)


When did Drake rip off Pitbull? Instead, he's been releasing innovaTive #1 hits like One Dance. We're still shook.

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Written By: 80sfan on 03/27/17 at 9:14 pm

Yeah, Drake is pretty big right now.  :P

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/27/17 at 9:15 pm


When did Drake rip off Pitbull? Instead, he's been releasing innovaTive #1 hits like One Dance. We're still shook.


The Boatlift came out in 2007, way before Drake's big break in 2009. Come on, man. Pay attention. The answers are obvious here. ::)

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Written By: 80sfan on 03/27/17 at 9:16 pm

Taylor Swift used to be bigger, but then she transformed into a snake, due her lizard and reptile genes, and wicked underground spells.  :-X

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/28/17 at 2:54 pm


When did Drake rip off Pitbull? Instead, he's been releasing innovaTive #1 hits like One Dance. We're still shook.


One Dance was Lady Gaga. I thought you knew your 2010's. Guess not. ::)


Taylor Swift used to be bigger, but then she transformed into a snake, due her lizard and reptile genes, and wicked underground spells.  :-X


Awful singer. 8-P

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 03/28/17 at 3:14 pm


One Dance was Lady Gaga. I thought you knew your 2010's. Guess not. ::)


That's Just Dance. And that was 2008!


Taylor Swift used to be bigger, but then she transformed into a snake, due her lizard and reptile genes, and wicked underground spells.  :-X


I guess we should be happy that at least The Aryan One has found her niche.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/28/17 at 3:56 pm


You can't hear the autotune in the song Forever?  ??? It's almost the only thing I hear lol.
No. I have heard that song many times, and I don't remember hearing autotune at all.


Absolutely! She seems friendly enough that meeting her would only endear me further to her rather than spoil my appreciation of her.
I hope that dream comes true for you.


I agree. Drake is a huge artist right now but he isn't as lit-af as Pitbull. Trust me, Pitbull's bringing the hype.
Yeah, he is! Every year, Drake has a new song that makes it to the top 40 or even the top 10. If Pitbull is lit, why hasn't he been relevant for a few years?


Tell him! Talent always wins! Especially Canadian talent!
Yeah, pretty much. I will say that Drake will last up until about 2020, then maybe he will fade. OTT, he's still widely popular.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/28/17 at 4:09 pm


Yeah, he is! Every year, Drake has a new song that makes it to the top 40 or even the top 10. If Pitbull is lit, why hasn't he been relevant for a few years?


I agree. Even though I'm not into Drake I can admit he is lit-af hype now but Pitbull is also making lots of top 40 hits. Last year, Messin' Around and Green Light both made it into the Mainstream Top 40 charts. The hype is real, fam blam thank you ma'am.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/28/17 at 4:26 pm


I agree. Even though I'm not into Drake I can admit he is lit-af hype now but Pitbull is also making lots of top 40 hits. Last year, Messin' Around and Green Light both made it into the Mainstream Top 40 charts. The hype is real, fam blam thank you ma'am.
But that's only 2 songs. Drake has about 5 or 6 a year. I'm not hating on Pitbull or anything as I have heard his music, but you have to understand, he is nowhere near the level as Drake is.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 03/28/17 at 4:40 pm


But that's only 2 songs. Drake has about 5 or 6 a year. I'm not hating on Pitbull or anything as I have heard his music, but you have to understand, he is nowhere near the level as Drake is.


I've known Drake since 2009 & 2010 he was was just getting popular and he had just came as a role from Degrassi: The Next Generation. It's been amazing to witness his journey with clear memory which I can't say about many other popular artists who revolutionized music.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/28/17 at 4:46 pm


I've known Drake since 2009 & 2010 he was was just getting popular and he had just came as a role from Degrassi: The Next Generation. It's been amazing to witness his journey with clear memory which I can't say about many other popular artists who revolutionized music.

Same here.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/28/17 at 9:27 pm


That's Just Dance. And that was 2008!


No, it wasn't. I clearly remember when One Dance came out and they were praising Gaga's vocal prowess. Drake's song was Dancing in the Dark. Duh. I think I'm more tuned-in to the 2010's than you, my friend. ::)


But that's only 2 songs. Drake has about 5 or 6 a year. I'm not hating on Pitbull or anything as I have heard his music, but you have to understand, he is nowhere near the level as Drake is.


I'm glad you're not being a hater and I respect that but Drake is most definitely not on Pitbull's level. Drake gotten far in the game but Pitbull's the number 1 dawg.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/28/17 at 9:34 pm

In the 2010s, it's a-okay to be yourself...unless you're #Infinity, in which case you deserve to be scorned for every wish your pathetic heart makes.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: wixness on 03/28/17 at 9:40 pm


In the 2010s, it's a-okay to be yourself...unless you're #Infinity, in which case you deserve to be scorned for every wish your pathetic heart makes.


In the 2010s, it's a-okay to be yourself... unless you hate the pastel aesthetic and how people are gender conformists no thanks to the trends of today.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/28/17 at 9:44 pm

Infinity, are you going through personal issues? Your recent posts have been rather pessimistic (not that I can blame you, considering the way things are going with our country).

If you want to feel better, I'd recommend you take a break from Internet and take a few weeks - or even months or years, if needed - to work out the issues in your personal life. I've had to do it myself at times.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/28/17 at 9:47 pm

This doesn't sound good. Jacqueline, if you need someone to talk with just let me know. I'm sure other members here would also be glad to lend an ear.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: wixness on 03/28/17 at 9:48 pm


Then how come every lesbian I give my heart to turns on me?

Let me rephrase that.

In the 2010s, it's a-okay to be yourself... unless you hate the pastel aesthetic and you're not willing to look like you conform to your gender, especially if you're straight and want to be an ally for the LGBT community.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/28/17 at 9:48 pm


Infinity, are you going through personal issues? Your recent posts have been rather pessimistic (not that I can blame you, considering the way things are going with our country).


Well, I've been going through serious issues since 2004. The difference is that sometimes I stupidly think there's a simple solution to my problem, namely just getting to have sex with another woman or being in a casual romantic relationship with one. Silly me for thinking that's feasible.

If you want to feel better, I'd recommend you take a break from Internet and take a few weeks to work issues in your personal life out. I've had to do it myself at times.


I focus on my issues every moment of my life and it takes me nowhere. No lesbian loves some boring, dweeby, stuck-in-the-60s/80s, rotten piece of filth like myself.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/28/17 at 9:49 pm


Let me rephrase that.

In the 2010s, it's a-okay to be yourself... unless you hate the pastel aesthetic and you're not willing to look like you conform to your gender, especially if you're straight and want to be an ally for the LGBT community.


All women hate me anyway.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 03/28/17 at 9:57 pm

I should just disown my identity and pretend I'm Rachel Stevens from S Club 7. At least then I'm not some loser lesbian freak who earns nothing but scorn from the women she loves.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/30/17 at 1:03 am


That's good to hear. Either they got new artists who actually can remember key things of the 2000s or the writers from before decided to update their views/opinions on the 2000s.

It seems like the normies are finally taking the redpill and realizing that 2000-2006 existed and the 00s weren't just Bieber, iPhones, Hannah Montana, and Obama.

Twitter recently did a "#WhatIMissFromthe2000s" trending hashtag, and to my relief, it was mostly 2000-2006 stuff; none of that pesky 2006-2009 nonsense.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/14/17 at 11:37 pm

Although I have already put my thoughts in this topic, I'll go ahead and even say that 2009 was not early 10s either. Yeah, Obama was president, but he truly didn't have any influence until next year. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that despite electro-pop, snap rap was still actually popular. Does Stanky Legg, Halle Berry, and Tie Me Down ring a bell? Furthermore, one last aspect is the fashion. Not only was emo still in place, but so were the other styles as well. Here are some videos that illustrate the difference between both periods.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQGfOgtPBgI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ydDjTbgckA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=I1DbSPv6L_8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KNZ_f6XTWYg

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Encoder319 on 04/15/17 at 12:01 am

Truth! I just bought a used iPod Classic from the year 2008 and I'm amazed at how similar it is in terms of technological advancement/capability to my old iPod Nano from 2005. From a 2017 perspective, 2008 seems very 00s. It reminds me a lot of 1998 actually... notable changes, but unmistakably part of that decade's culture.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mqg96 on 04/15/17 at 12:02 am


Truth! I just bought a used iPod Classic from the year 2008 and I'm amazed at how similar it is in terms of technological advancement/capability to my old iPod Nano from 2005. From a 2017 perspective, 2008 seems very 00s. It reminds me a lot of 1998 actually... notable changes, but unmistakably part of that decade's culture.


I had no idea you joined this site last year. You should stay on here a lot more.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Encoder319 on 04/15/17 at 12:10 am


Although I have already put my thoughts in this topic, I'll go ahead and even say that 2009 was not early 10s either. Yeah, Obama was president, but he truly didn't have any influence until next year. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that despite electro-pop, snap rap was still actually popular. Does Stanky Legg, Halle Berry, and Tie Me Down ring a bell? Furthermore, one last aspect is the fashion. Not only was emo still in place, but so were the other styles as well. Here are some videos that illustrate the difference between both periods.


Very true. I graduated high school that year, and while it certainly felt like the times were changing (excluding those in my personal life), it still had a very 00s influence IMO. Consider the following:

1) Titanic was still the highest-grossing film of all time, as Avatar wasn't released until December
2) Smartphones didn't truly become popular until the following year or in 2011. I still took photos with a conventional digital camera and burned CDS in 2010.
3) Facebook was the hot new thing, while Twitter wouldn't become fully established until early 2011 (or so).
4) The iPad and Obamacare had yet to be introduced.

Quite frankly, I think the biggest shift happened in mid-late 2007.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Encoder319 on 04/15/17 at 12:11 am


I had no idea you joined this site last year. You should stay on here a lot more.


This site is way better!

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/15/17 at 12:13 am


Very true. I graduated high school that year, and while it certainly felt like the times were changing (excluding those in my personal life), it still had a very 00s influence IMO. Consider the following:

1) Titanic was still the highest-grossing film of all time, as Avatar wasn't released until December
2) Smartphones didn't truly become popular until the following year or in 2011. I still took photos with a conventional digital camera and burned CDS in 2010.
3) Facebook was the hot new thing, while Twitter wouldn't become fully established until early 2011 (or so).
4) The iPad and Obamacare had yet to be introduced.

I definitely felt that 2009 & 2010 were different from 2011.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Encoder319 on 04/15/17 at 12:14 am


I definitely felt that 2009 & 2010 were different from 2011.


Yeah, 2009 and 2010 were very similar years... like 1989/1990 and 1999/2000.

I feel like 2010 was the last year of the 00s influences, not 2011 as some people have suggested.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/15/17 at 12:14 am

June 2009-June 2012 all kinda blend together in my head. Maybe because I was living overseas and not in the U.S. at that time.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/15/17 at 12:17 am


Yeah, 2009 and 2010 were very similar years... like 1989/1990 and 1999/2000.

True.


June 2009-June 2012 all kinda blend together in my head. Maybe because I was living overseas and not in the U.S. at that time.

Personally, life in 2009-2010 was slightly different from life in 2011-2012....:P.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/15/17 at 12:34 am


Personally, life in 2009-2010 was slightly different from life in 2011-2012....:P.

To each his own.

I always tend to bunch together 2008/9-2012/3 together as one era - the Obama first term era. This era was fairly simple and optimistic with the killing of Osama bin Laden, the outing of George W. Bush, the Democrats being seen as "cool" and the Republicans being largely "uncool" with figures such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, and the slow recovery of the economy.

But things got increasingly jaded, complex, and disorderly as we entered the Obama second term era (2013/14-2016/17), with all of the shootings, rise in identity politics, social justice, the right-wing striking back and striking hard, realization that the economy wasn't getting that much better and Millennials may never be able to retire if we don't get out of this hole we're in, etc.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/15/17 at 12:37 am


To each his own.

I always tend to bunch together 2008/9-2012/3 together as one era - the Obama first term era. This era was fairly simple and optimistic with the killing of Osama bin Laden, the outing of George W. Bush, the Democrats being seen as "cool" and the Republicans being largely "uncool" with figures such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, and the slow recovery of the economy.

But things got increasingly jaded, complex, and disorderly as we entered the Obama second term era (2013/14-2016/17), with all of the shootings, rise in identity politics, social justice, the right-wing striking back and striking hard, realization that the economy wasn't getting that much better and Millennials may never be able to retire if we don't get out of this hole we're in, etc.

Fair enough.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 04/15/17 at 9:07 am


Truth! I just bought a used iPod Classic from the year 2008 and I'm amazed at how similar it is in terms of technological advancement/capability to my old iPod Nano from 2005. From a 2017 perspective, 2008 seems very 00s. It reminds me a lot of 1998 actually... notable changes, but unmistakably part of that decade's culture.


I also bought an iPod classic in the fall of that year, to replace an iPod Classic I bought in 2005. It was the 120GB one!

To me, things were still mostly 2000s until maybe the spring, or fall of 2009.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: wixness on 04/15/17 at 9:57 am


I also bought an iPod classic in the fall of that year, to replace an iPod Classic I bought in 2005. It was the 120GB one!

To me, things were still mostly 2000s until maybe the spring, or fall of 2009.

Not counting possibly more recent smartphones (and those that support expandable storage), the original iPod had a maximum storage option that would trump that of all other smartphones and portable devices. It would have trumped even the storage of the computers people were able to afford then.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Encoder319 on 04/15/17 at 6:54 pm


I also bought an iPod classic in the fall of that year, to replace an iPod Classic I bought in 2005. It was the 120GB one!

To me, things were still mostly 2000s until maybe the spring, or fall of 2009.


Just curious, how much did you pay for it and what was the condition? Mine's screen doesn't light up anymore and the scroll wheel takes like 3-5 seconds to work. I should've just paid a few hundred more for a brand new one from 2014.  >:(

I'm glad that someone else still likes the idea of having a separate device for music. You leave more storage space on your phone and most importantly preserve its battery life.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 04/16/17 at 12:12 am


Just curious, how much did you pay for it and what was the condition? Mine's screen doesn't light up anymore and the scroll wheel takes like 3-5 seconds to work. I should've just paid a few hundred more for a brand new one from 2014.  >:(

I'm glad that someone else still likes the idea of having a separate device for music. You leave more storage space on your phone and most importantly preserve its battery life.


Oh my, my apologies. I read that as "iPod Classic in the year 2008" instead of "iPod Classic from the year 2008".  :-"the iPod death clock". I'm surprised that your 2008 iPod was even alive in 2014. :o

I stream most my music now. I can't live without Spotify.  :-[

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Encoder319 on 04/16/17 at 2:17 am


Oh my, my apologies. I read that as "iPod Classic in the year 2008" instead of "iPod Classic from the year 2008".  :-"the iPod death clock". I'm surprised that your 2008 iPod was even alive in 2014. :o

I stream most my music now. I can't live without Spotify.  :-[


I would imagine most people do. It's also very easy to (illegally) download music off of YouTube nowadays. Personally, I value owning my own music and don't mind paying for it.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 04/16/17 at 5:58 am


I would imagine most people do. It's also very easy to (illegally) download music off of YouTube nowadays. Personally, I value owning my own music and don't mind paying for it.


I never knew that some ways of downloading music on YouTube were illegal.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: wixness on 04/16/17 at 8:46 am


I would imagine most people do. It's also very easy to (illegally) download music off of YouTube nowadays. Personally, I value owning my own music and don't mind paying for it.




Oh my, my apologies. I read that as "iPod Classic in the year 2008" instead of "iPod Classic from the year 2008".  :-"the iPod death clock". I'm surprised that your 2008 iPod was even alive in 2014. :o

I stream most my music now. I can't live without Spotify.  :-[

But annoyingly, if you choose to stream, that song won't stay up forever, e.g. on Spotify.


I think you can download stuff off of YT, but it's more for people to be able to remix it, really, for other purposes, such as review.


Some songs on Spotify got taken down, and not because they were offensive or anything like that. "Worldwide Choppers" by Tech N9ne and "Age of Rage" by Corroded got taken down because of the artist's intention or the record label's. "Boom Bye Bye", the homophobic reggae song, on the other hand, is still up, and is marked as having explicit lyrics.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 1:04 pm


Very true. I graduated high school that year, and while it certainly felt like the times were changing (excluding those in my personal life), it still had a very 00s influence IMO. Consider the following:

1) Titanic was still the highest-grossing film of all time, as Avatar wasn't released until December
2) Smartphones didn't truly become popular until the following year or in 2011. I still took photos with a conventional digital camera and burned CDS in 2010.
3) Facebook was the hot new thing, while Twitter wouldn't become fully established until early 2011 (or so).
4) The iPad and Obamacare had yet to be introduced.

Quite frankly, I think the biggest shift happened in mid-late 2007.
1. Yes! I don't know if it's me, but I have noticed that people forgot Avatar was released in December; therefore, it could not be the defining film of 2009.
2. Same here. Not only was I taking photos with a DC, but I was also taking them on my old cellphones as well.
3. Right, and that Myspace and AIM were still on the radar.
4. Agreed!

Oh, and another thing missing is that while Drake was introduced with the So Far Gone album, he really took off with his Thank Me Later in the following year. There were only a few hits on the former.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 1:10 pm


1. Yes! I don't know if it's me, but I have noticed that people forgot Avatar was released in December; therefore, it could not be the defining film of 2009.
2. Same here. Not only was I taking photos with a DC, but I was also taking them on my old cellphones as well.
3. Right, and that Myspace and AIM were still on the radar.
4. Agreed!

Oh, and another thing missing is that while Drake was introduced with the So Far Gone album, he really took off with his Thank Me Later in the following year. There were only a few hits on the former.

Drake was big in 2009 with "Best I Ever Had" but I agree with you overall.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 1:13 pm


Drake was big in 2009 with "Best I Ever Had" but I agree with you overall.
Pretty much. That and his other track Forever.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 1:16 pm


Pretty much. That and his other track Forever.

Yes, "Forever" was in the Lebron James biopic documentary movie More Than a Game. "Forever" was catchy AF.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 1:24 pm


Yes, "Forever" was in the Lebron James biopic documentary movie More Than a Game. "Forever" was catchy AF.
It sure was especially the sound in the beginning of the song, and it was also in one of the Sprite commercials.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 1:29 pm


It sure was especially the sound in the beginning of the song, and it was also in one of the Sprite commercials.

Yeah, I remember those Sprite commercials. That was when Sprite still sponsored the Dunk Contest :-\\.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 1:37 pm


Yeah, I remember those Sprite commercials. That was when Sprite still sponsored the Dunk Contest :-\\.
Wasn't that 3 years ago?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 1:39 pm


Wasn't that 3 years ago?

Around that time...yeah.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 1:43 pm


Around that time...yeah.
Oh damn. That was quick. I have a feeling that when 2020 comes, most of the 10s will be seen as out dated.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 1:44 pm


Oh damn. That was quick. I have a feeling that when 2020 comes, most of the 10s will be seen as out dated.

Really? Why?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 1:48 pm


Really? Why?
It's the super future! We'll be more technological with VRs, ARs, auto-driving cars etc. That will make the 10s outdated in some say. I mean just look at 2010. It's clearly dated as of now.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 1:51 pm


It's the super future! We'll be more technological with VRs, ARs, auto-driving cars etc. That will make the 10s outdated in some say. I mean just look at 2010. It's clearly dated as of now.

OK and personally I appreciate technology but I don't want a "super future" but it seems inevitable. Can someone just build a time machine and send me to 1987-1996? :(

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 1:53 pm


OK and personally I appreciate technology but I don't want a "super future" but it seems inevitable. Can someone just build a time machine and send me to 1987-1996? :(
That could happen if the tech made for those are built. Stewie has one since he's a tech genius.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 1:55 pm


That could happen if the tech made for those are built. Stewie has one since he's a tech genius.

If only it was real.....*sigh* :\'(.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 1:56 pm


If only it was real.....*sigh* :\'(.
Well don't give up. It could happen.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 2:00 pm


Well don't give up. It could happen.

Nah, there is no way time travel could become real (at least in my opinion).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 2:13 pm


Nah, there is no way time travel could become real (at least in my opinion).
Well it could with tech getting better and better.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 2:19 pm


Well it could with tech getting better and better.

How could we possibly invent something that can send us into the past (or future)? How? I can't even imagine what device or thing could possibly do that.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 2:24 pm


How could we possibly invent something that can send us into the past (or future)? How? I can't even imagine what device or thing could possibly do that.
Well it be invented by accident.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 2:28 pm


Well it be invented by accident.

I hope so but I know that it won't happen. You can always live in the past anyways, amirite? ;)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 2:35 pm


I hope so but I know that it won't happen. You can always live in the past anyways, amirite? ;)
Yeah, I live in the past sometimes, but don't live it too much. One could miss out on something important in the future.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 2:37 pm


Yeah, I live in the past sometimes, but don't live it too much. One could miss out on something important in the future.

Well yeah, I wouldn't want to miss something in the future either but occasionally living in the past is OK.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 2:39 pm


Well yeah, I wouldn't want to miss something in the future either but occasionally living in the past is OK.
I know you hate 2000s and all, but is there anything you like from that era?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 2:41 pm


I know you hate 2000s and all, but is there anything you like from that era?

Me hate the 2000s? When? I never said that I hate the 2000s.....the 2000s was the decade of my childhood.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 2:43 pm


Me hate the 2000s? When? I never said that I hate the 2000s.....the 2000s was the decade of my childhood.
I think you said hate most of the decade except the early potion, unless that was someone else.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 2:49 pm


I think you said hate most of the decade except the early potion, unless that was someone else.

Not me fam. I like all parts of the 2000s (2000-2009), it's just that a lot of things about '00s pop culture I don't like and I wouldn't want to have a '00s teen.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 3:05 pm


Not me fam. I like all parts of the 2000s (2000-2009), it's just that a lot of things about '00s pop culture I don't like and I wouldn't want to have a '00s teen.
Ohhh. Now i understand. Back to my question though, what are the things from that decade you like?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 3:11 pm


Ohhh. Now i understand. Back to my question though, what are the things from that decade you like?

1. Many of the hit songs from then.
2. It was the decade of my youth
3. The cartoons...I loved them growing up (and for 99% of them I still do).
4. Some TV shows like My Wife and Kids, Malcolm in the Middle, Everybody Hates Chris, etc.
5. Flip phones and dumb phones (the Nokia 3310 and the Motorola Razr :D)
6. Still sort of novelty Internet and computers.
7. Sports (the NY Giants winning SB 42 in 2008 and the Yankees winning the WS in 2009)

I could on but.....I'll leave it there.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 3:45 pm


1. Many of the hit songs from then.
2. It was the decade of my youth
3. The cartoons...I loved them growing up (and for 99% of them I still do).
4. Some TV shows like My Wife and Kids, Malcolm in the Middle, Everybody Hates Chris, etc.
5. Flip phones and dumb phones (the Nokia 3310 and the Motorola Razr :D)
6. Still sort of novelty Internet and computers.
7. Sports (the NY Giants winning SB 42 in 2008 and the Yankees winning the WS in 2009)

I could on but.....I'll leave it there.
Nice!!

And I bet you were excited when the Giants killed the Patriots' perfect record in 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 4:03 pm


Nice!!

And I bet you were excited when the Giants killed the Patriots' perfect record in 2008.

Yes, I was hype AF :D.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 4:04 pm


Yes, I was hype AF :D.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 4:07 pm


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's true though ;D. If only the Knicks can win in my lifetime....:-\\.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 4:28 pm


It's true though ;D. If only the Knicks can win in my lifetime....:-\\.
They will.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 4:35 pm


They will.

I hope so. Well, how about them Cowboys? ;)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/17/17 at 4:46 pm


1. Many of the hit songs from then.
2. It was the decade of my youth
3. The cartoons...I loved them growing up (and for 99% of them I still do).
4. Some TV shows like My Wife and Kids, Malcolm in the Middle, Everybody Hates Chris, etc.
5. Flip phones and dumb phones (the Nokia 3310 and the Motorola Razr :D)
6. Still sort of novelty Internet and computers.
7. Sports (the NY Giants winning SB 42 in 2008 and the Yankees winning the WS in 2009)

I could on but.....I'll leave it there.


I could relate since I was mostly into the kid culture of the 2000s, which is why I joined this site in the first place.


It's true though ;D. If only the Knicks can win in my lifetime....:-\\.


Same. :(

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 4:49 pm


I could relate since I was mostly into the kid culture of the 2000s, which is why I joined this site in the first place.

Same. :(

Yes, we share both pain and joy with the Knicks and our childhoods ;D.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 5:00 pm


I hope so. Well, how about them Cowboys? ;)
They were doing well until the Packers took their playoff spot. It was a close game though.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/17/17 at 5:09 pm


Yes, we share both pain and joy with the Knicks and our childhoods ;D.


Well, I'm a Knicks fan because of my dad. He grew up watching the 1970 and 1973 Knicks win the NBA Finals.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 5:14 pm


They were doing well until the Packers took their playoff spot. It was a close game though.

I know, I actually wanted the Cowboys to win that game :(.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 5:16 pm


Well, I'm a Knicks fan because of my dad. He grew up watching the 1970 and 1973 Knicks win the NBA Finals.

That's crazy, my mom was only 7 and 10 when they won those championships. She didn't watch the NBA until the 1980s when Michael Jordan entered the league in 1984.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/17/17 at 5:37 pm


That's crazy, my mom was only 7 and 10 when they won those championships. She didn't watch the NBA until the 1980s when Michael Jordan entered the league in 1984.


Well my dad was a big sports fan ever since he was a kid. Although he was more into baseball since the Mets was in Shea Stadium.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 5:38 pm


I know, I actually wanted the Cowboys to win that game :(.
If they did well this past season, they can do it again in the next one. :)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 5:43 pm


Well my dad was a big sports fan ever since he was a kid. Although he was more into baseball since the Mets was in Shea Stadium.

Funnily my mom has regressed in her sports watching....now, she only watches sports pretty much during the playoffs.


If they did well this past season, they can do it again in the next one. :)

Absolutely. However, they'll have to beat the Giants first ;).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/17/17 at 5:45 pm


Funnily my mom has regressed in her sports watching....now, she only watches sports pretty much during the playoffs.


My dad still watches sports, but when baseball season comes, he likes seeing the Mets play in baseball's 162 games. Along with the playoffs, if they actually clinch a playoff berth.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 5:48 pm


My dad still watches sports, but when baseball season comes, he likes seeing the Mets play in baseball's 162 games. Along with the playoffs, if they actually clinch a playoff berth.

I could never watch all 162 games for any MLB team not even my Yankees. I'll check in during the All-Star festivities which always happens near or even on my birthday in mid July and then I won't watch until the MLB Playoffs.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 5:51 pm


Absolutely. However, they'll have to beat the Giants first ;).
You're on!

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/17/17 at 5:58 pm


I could never watch all 162 games for any MLB team not even my Yankees. I'll check in during the All-Star festivities which always happens near or even on my birthday in mid July and then I won't watch until the MLB Playoffs.


Same here. Although I barely watch the All-Star Game every year since it's not really my favorite time during the MLB season. I usually watch some regular season games, unless it had to deal with the division leaders. But the MLB playoffs is the most exciting for me since that's when one team can win it all.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 6:03 pm


Same here. Although I barely watch the All-Star Game every year since it's not really my favorite time during the MLB season. I usually watch some regular season games, unless it had to deal with the division leaders. But the MLB playoffs is the most exciting for me since that's when one team can win it all.

I don't watch the All-Star game every year. I barely watched the 2014 All-Star Game in Minnesota and 2015 All-Star Game in Cincinnati. I also didn't watch last year's All-Star Game in San Diego. 

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/17/17 at 6:08 pm


I don't watch the All-Star game every year. I barely watched the 2014 All-Star Game in Minnesota and 2015 All-Star Game in Cincinnati. I also didn't watch last year's All-Star Game in San Diego.


The only All-Star Game that I watched in more than a hour was the 2013 one, since it was hosted in Citi Field where the Mets played. It was also the last All-Star Game with Mariano Rivera.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 6:09 pm


The only All-Star Game that I watched in more than a hour was the 2013 one, since it was hosted in Citi Field where the Mets played. It was also the last All-Star Game with Mariano Rivera.

Yes, that was the last MLB All-Star Game that I payed attention intently to.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Encoder319 on 04/17/17 at 6:37 pm


Yes, we share both pain and joy with the Knicks and our childhoods ;D.


I'm a Lakers fan, but I like the Knicks and their fans a lot. It's absolutely painful to watch Phil crippling the franchise, as if having that douchebag Dolan as owner wasn't enough of a middle finger.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 6:40 pm


I'm a Lakers fan, but I like the Knicks and their fans a lot. It's absolutely painful to watch Phil crippling the franchise, as if having that douchebag Dolan as owner wasn't enough of a middle finger.

I absolutely agree and thanks for feeling our pain bro. I've been a Knicks fan since 2005 and it's been miserable except for just 1 season (2012-13). Man, I would be so happy if the Knicks actually won a title :D.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/17/17 at 6:57 pm


I absolutely agree and thanks for feeling our pain bro. I've been a Knicks fan since 2005 and it's been miserable except for just 1 season (2012-13). Man, I would be so happy if the Knicks actually won a title :D.


It would've been one of the greatest NBA seasons if the Knicks actually won a title for the first time in 44 years.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 7:03 pm


It would've been one of the greatest NBA seasons if the Knicks actually won a title for the first time in 44 years.

Yes :D.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/27/17 at 12:27 am

I think it's time to revive this thread. Over the last few weeks, I have been thinking about how the late 00s, in general, were not as early 10s as most people make them out to be whether it's technological, fashion-wise, musically, culturally etc.

I wanna start with the music. For some reason, it has been overestimated that the charts were full of electro-pop when that was truly NOT the case. It sounds like most folks forgot about the hip-hop, R&B, Rock (Alternative), Pop-Rock and other genres that were very popular at the time. Here are the American charts for 2008 & 2009.

http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/?year=2008

http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2009/hot-100-songs

Now onto the fashion. It was actually still quite the same as the last few earlier years. Girls still had the chunky highlights along with jet black hair. Emo was still cool. Hip-hop fashion had barely changed, and most people wore neutral clothing that wouldn't look out of place.

Now for technology. It has already been established that flip, standard or slide phones were still very popular, but the other devices are also forgotten for some reason. Most folks actually still had digital cameras even as late as 2011/12. I have looked at old photos from that time, and they would definitely look dated by today considering that the background was blurry, and they could only be uploaded from a computer. iPods were absolutely very popular whether it was classic or mini and if people didn't have that, they had an MP3 player. As for watching movies after theater release, DVDs were still popular compared to Blu-Ray (which barely became mainstream), and I even saw still be advertised up until a few years ago.

I don't want to offend anyone at all, but it seems most folks have short-term memory loss about how the late 00s truly were.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 09/27/17 at 12:58 am


I think it's time to revive this thread. Over the last few weeks, I have been thinking about how the late 00s, in general, were not as early 10s as most people make them out to be whether it's technological, fashion-wise, musically, culturally etc.

I wanna start with the music. For some reason, it has been overestimated that the charts were full of electro-pop when that was truly NOT the case. It sounds like most folks forgot about the hip-hop, R&B, Rock (Alternative), Pop-Rock and other genres that were very popular at the time. Here are the American charts for 2008 & 2009.

http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/?year=2008

http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2009/hot-100-songs

Now onto the fashion. It was actually still quite the same as the last few earlier years. Girls still had the chunky highlights along with jet black hair. Emo was still cool. Hip-hop fashion had barely changed, and most people wore neutral clothing that wouldn't look out of place.

Now for technology. It has already been established that flip, standard or slide phones were still very popular, but the other devices are also forgotten for some reason. Most folks actually still had digital cameras even as late as 2011/12. I have looked at old photos from that time, and they would definitely look dated by today considering that the background was blurry, and they could only be uploaded from a computer. iPods were absolutely very popular whether it was classic or mini and if people didn't have that, they had an MP3 player. As for watching movies after theater release, DVDs were still popular compared to Blu-Ray (which barely became mainstream), and I even saw still be advertised up until a few years ago.

I don't want to offend anyone at all, but it seems most folks have short-term memory loss about how the late 00s truly were.


I agree with all of this completely.

People tend to treat 2008 and 2009 as being early '10s years because many of the trends that would define the 2010-2012 era got their start in 2008 and 2009.  However, I've always looked at the big picture and 2008 especially was still far more '00s than '10s.  The only part of that era I can accept lumping in with the early '10s is the second half of '09.  In late '09, electropop really was everywhere, emo was on its way out, MySpace was in rapid decline, and defining '10s artists like Justin Bieber and Nicki Minaj had broken through.  In late 2008 we had Lady Gaga and a few other eletropop(ish) sounding artists but for the most part we were still in an '00s culture with urban and pop-rock dominating.  I personally view Katy Perry's first album differently than Teenage Dream, which was a true '10s album.  Her first album had more rock influence and wasn't 100% pure electropop like Teenage Dream was.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/27/17 at 1:15 am


I agree with all of this completely.

People tend to treat 2008 and 2009 as being early '10s years because many of the trends that would define the 2010-2012 era got their start in 2008 and 2009.  However, I've always looked at the big picture and 2008 especially was still far more '00s than '10s.  The only part of that era I can accept lumping in with the early '10s is the second half of '09.  In late '09, electropop really was everywhere, emo was on its way out, MySpace was in rapid decline, and defining '10s artists like Justin Bieber and Nicki Minaj had broken through.  In late 2008 we had Lady Gaga and a few other electropop(ish) sounding artists but for the most part, we were still in a '00s culture with urban and pop-rock dominating.  I personally view Katy Perry's first album differently than Teenage Dream, which was a true '10s album.  Her first album had more rock influence and wasn't 100% pure electropop like Teenage Dream was.
Yeah, they sure do, and it can get quite irritating. I honestly don't remember the late 00s being much early 10s as some people thought, and it was like yesterday that we were all there.

I agree that the second half of '09 had some early '10s elements, but even then there were still plenty of non-electro-pop music out there along with other things mentioned.

As for Katy Perry's first album, I actually listened to it a few years ago and it clearly sounded different from her Teenage Dream album. It's amazing how much change happened within those two years.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: wixness on 09/27/17 at 1:43 am



I think it's time to revive this thread. Over the last few weeks, I have been thinking about how the late 00s, in general, were not as early 10s as most people make them out to be whether it's technological, fashion-wise, musically, culturally etc.

I wanna start with the music. For some reason, it has been overestimated that the charts were full of electro-pop when that was truly NOT the case. It sounds like most folks forgot about the hip-hop, R&B, Rock (Alternative), Pop-Rock and other genres that were very popular at the time. Here are the American charts for 2008 & 2009.

http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/?year=2008

http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2009/hot-100-songs

Now onto the fashion. It was actually still quite the same as the last few earlier years. Girls still had the chunky highlights along with jet black hair. Emo was still cool. Hip-hop fashion had barely changed, and most people wore neutral clothing that wouldn't look out of place.

Now for technology. It has already been established that flip, standard or slide phones were still very popular, but the other devices are also forgotten for some reason. Most folks actually still had digital cameras even as late as 2011/12. I have looked at old photos from that time, and they would definitely look dated by today considering that the background was blurry, and they could only be uploaded from a computer. iPods were absolutely very popular whether it was classic or mini and if people didn't have that, they had an MP3 player. As for watching movies after theater release, DVDs were still popular compared to Blu-Ray (which barely became mainstream), and I even saw still be advertised up until a few years ago.

I don't want to offend anyone at all, but it seems most folks have short-term memory loss about how the late 00s truly were.

Spot on. I remember being able to hear rock music in the charts for a few times, being given a digital camera then and guys wearing their hair long as if it were the next hot thing.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 09/27/17 at 9:29 am

What matters most in determining where the boundaries are on any cultural period, in my opinion, is the national mood. In other words, the state of politics. Thus 2008 was a banner year in which everyone was "over it" as far as Bush and the neo-cons; everyone was about that hope and change and "Yes We Can," the movies reflected a society that was sick of fear and staying the course and ready for hope, and the music was getting way less white and more willing to challenge sensibilities as we shifted from heavy post-grunge and the New Wave of American Heavy Metal to electropop and wubwubstep.

It is for the very same reason that I see 2017 as possibly the beginning of 2020s culture already - the party is over. Pop and dancehall seems aimless, movies and TV are getting starker and more callous in the age of Trump, rock is coming back. And you know, marches and covfefe and whatnot.

Of course time will tell if I'm right, and 2017 is just as likely to be merely a transitional year. However, I can already see the changes happening before my very eyes. Slowly but surely.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Escondudo on 09/27/17 at 12:04 pm

I love the national mood concept and its connection to pop culture, but people were already over Bush by the fall of 2005 because of his handling of Hurricane Katrina. The 2006 midterm elections were actually a democratic wave because of opposition to Bush. I would say that the late 2000s is characterized by Bush's "lame duck" time in office- late 2006 to very early 2009.


What matters most in determining where the boundaries are on any cultural period, in my opinion, is the national mood. In other words, the state of politics. Thus 2008 was a banner year in which everyone was "over it" as far as Bush and the neo-cons; everyone was about that hope and change and "Yes We Can," the movies reflected a society that was sick of fear and staying the course and ready for hope, and the music was getting way less white and more willing to challenge sensibilities as we shifted from heavy post-grunge and the New Wave of American Heavy Metal to electropop and wubwubstep.

It is for the very same reason that I see 2017 as possibly the beginning of 2020s culture already - the party is over. Pop and dancehall seems aimless, movies and TV are getting starker and more callous in the age of Trump, rock is coming back. And you know, marches and covfefe and whatnot.

Of course time will tell if I'm right, and 2017 is just as likely to be merely a transitional year. However, I can already see the changes happening before my very eyes. Slowly but surely.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/27/17 at 12:09 pm

Late 2008 was indeed a early '10s year.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Escondudo on 09/27/17 at 12:14 pm


Late 2008 was indeed a early '10s year.


With MySpace, Bush in office, and no Great Recession???

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/27/17 at 12:38 pm


With MySpace, Bush in office, and no Great Recession???

Late 2008 did have the great recession and Obama got elected. Electropop got more popular too.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 09/27/17 at 12:52 pm

There was most definitely Great Recession in late 2008. I remember clear as day in September when everyone was discussing all the huge banks closing, people talked like the world was ending.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Escondudo on 09/27/17 at 12:59 pm


There was most definitely Great Recession in late 2008. I remember clear as day in September when everyone was discussing all the huge banks closing, people talked like the world was ending.


The market crashed in the fall, but the sting of unemployment didn't peak until 2009.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 09/27/17 at 1:39 pm

Yeah but you were talking about "the Great Recession." You didn't specify whether you meant the crash or peak unemployment. But really I would say the big crash is the more important event anyway.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 09/27/17 at 2:58 pm

Through most of 2008, people knew a recession was either on its way or coming but nobody knew how bad it would get.  There were some economists that were predicting a mild recession and others were predicting complete societal collapse.

I associate the recession more with the late '00s anyways than the '10s.  The recession was technically over by the summer of 2009, though its effects would be felt well into the current decade.

I don't think there is any convincing Slim95 that 2008 was an '00s year.  He seems to think electropop was dominant, everybody had smartphones, Obama was in office, MySpace was dead and everyone was on Facebook, emo was dead, long hair was out for guys, and hipster fashion was in style in 2008.  Things might be different in the part of Canada where he lives, but for most people, the world he associates with 2008 was more like late 2010 through the first half of 2012.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 09/27/17 at 3:38 pm

I think that's mischaracterizing Slim's position and a bit disingenuous. Again, I think - and I think Slim agrees - that it all comes down to national mood. After all, it's what separates early 00s era 2004 from the peak that started in fall 2004; the pre-Bicentennial 1970s from the conservative resurgence starting in 1976 (the very same year); among others.

In 2007, it was cool to hate on Bush and the signs of a recession were upon us, as it would be in May 2008. But hope & change began in earnest that fall, as the crash itself added to the momentum of the Obama movement.

As I hinted at earlier in the thread, this is why I think "hope & change" ended, hard stop, in fall 2016. The national mood was "the party is over." Resistance to Trump became the dominant theme among American intelligentsia, whereas among a certain other segment of society the Taylor Swift "look what you made me do" attitude was slowly developing.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/27/17 at 4:11 pm


I think that's mischaracterizing Slim's position and a bit disingenuous. Again, I think - and I think Slim agrees - that it all comes down to the national mood. After all, it's what separates early 00s era 2004 from the peak that started in fall 2004; the pre-Bicentennial 1970s from the conservative resurgence starting in 1976 (the very same year); among others.

In 2007, it was cool to hate on Bush and the signs of a recession were upon us, as it would be in May 2008. But hope & change began in earnest that fall, as the crash itself added to the momentum of the Obama movement.

As I hinted at earlier in the thread, this is why I think "hope & change" ended, hard stop, in fall 2016. The national mood was "the party is over." Resistance to Trump became the dominant theme among American intelligentsia, whereas among a certain another segment of society the Taylor Swift "look what you made me do" attitude was slowly developing.
I don't he's talking about the Recession or anything about politics of the late 00s. He's actually discussing that Slim believes the early 10s began in 2008 when that's not true at all. Most people still had MySpace following that they had a digital camera to take photos with, and they either had an MP3 or an iPod to play music on. On top of that, the music scene was actually still diverse ranging from hip-hop, R&B, Rock, Pop-Rock, electropop, dance and even uncategorized music.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/27/17 at 4:37 pm


and everyone was on Facebook

If you didn't have FB by late 2008 then I don't know what to tell you... I was one of the last people in my school to get Facebook and I got it in August 2008... it was undoubtedly popular by late 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/27/17 at 4:38 pm


I think that's mischaracterizing Slim's position and a bit disingenuous. Again, I think - and I think Slim agrees - that it all comes down to national mood. After all, it's what separates early 00s era 2004 from the peak that started in fall 2004; the pre-Bicentennial 1970s from the conservative resurgence starting in 1976 (the very same year); among others.

In 2007, it was cool to hate on Bush and the signs of a recession were upon us, as it would be in May 2008. But hope & change began in earnest that fall, as the crash itself added to the momentum of the Obama movement.

As I hinted at earlier in the thread, this is why I think "hope & change" ended, hard stop, in fall 2016. The national mood was "the party is over." Resistance to Trump became the dominant theme among American intelligentsia, whereas among a certain other segment of society the Taylor Swift "look what you made me do" attitude was slowly developing.

Exactly, great points.  :)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/27/17 at 4:40 pm


I don't he's talking about the Recession or anything about politics of the late 00s. He's actually discussing that Slim believes the early 10s began in 2008 when that's not true at all. Most people still had MySpace following that they had a digital camera to take photos with, and they either had an MP3 or an iPod to play music on. On top of that, the music scene was actually still diverse ranging from hip-hop, R&B, Rock, Pop-Rock, electropop, dance and even uncategorized music.

That's because early '10s culture, which includes politics and the recession, has undoubtedly started in late 2008, plain and simple.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 09/27/17 at 4:42 pm


If you didn't have FB by late 2008 then I don't know what to tell you... I was one of the last people in my school to get Facebook and I got it in August 2008... it was undoubtedly popular by late 2008.


Facebook in 2008 was primarily college students but was becoming more popular with high school students.  A lot of Gen X and above weren't on it yet back then.  MySpace was still quite popular with the high school crowd.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/27/17 at 4:46 pm


Facebook in 2008 was primarily college students but was becoming more popular with high school students.  A lot of Gen X and above weren't on it yet back then.  MySpace was still quite popular with the high school crowd.

It was not primarily college students... This is even more true in America. In late 2007, my friend who was in middle school asked me to open an account... It goes as far as 2007 when Facebook got popular. By late 2008, almost everyone in my junior high school (not even high school which probably had more people) had Facebook. If you didn't have Facebook by the end of the year, you were an outcast. It was primarily for college students from 2004 - 2006, that's back when nobody heard of it.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 09/27/17 at 7:12 pm

Can confirm, as early as spring 2007 there were Facebook groups complaining about the middle schoolers on Facebook.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 09/27/17 at 7:24 pm


A lot of Gen X and above weren't on it yet back then.  MySpace was still quite popular with the high school crowd.


It's interesting that you should mention that, because my 1964 and 1967-born parents created Facebook accounts that year. :P

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 09/27/17 at 8:30 pm

Not exactly what I'd call clear and convincing evidence. We've given so many examples of how things were changing without being changed. Hell, we can see the same sorts of circumstantial evidence of change even today, in September 2017. It's happening again.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: John Titor on 09/28/17 at 2:42 pm


Facebook in 2008 was primarily college students but was becoming more popular with high school students.  A lot of Gen X and above weren't on it yet back then.  MySpace was still quite popular with the high school crowd.


Facebook opened up in 2006 to non students

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 09/28/17 at 3:42 pm

And I'm sure even then many new users faked their age.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 1:50 am


If you didn't have FB by late 2008 then I don't know what to tell you... I was one of the last people in my school to get Facebook and I got it in August 2008... it was undoubtedly popular by late 2008.



It was not primarily college students... This is even truer in America. In late 2007, my friend who was in middle school asked me to open an account... It goes as far as 2007 when Facebook got popular. By late 2008, almost everyone in my junior high school (not at all high school which probably had more people) had Facebook. If you didn't have Facebook by the end of the year, you were an outcast. It was primarily for college students from 2004 - 2006, that's back when nobody heard of it.
FB was nowhere near popular in 2008. Yeah, HS and college students had it, but like BChris stated the general population didn't have one until the next year or in 2010. Oh, and I think it would have been rare for a middle schooler to have an FB at that time. I mean, MySpace was the one that was still in demand during that era.

How could one be considered an outcast for not having an FB by late '08? I don't remember anyone getting ridiculed for not signing up for FB at that time. That wouldn't have at least happened until 2010.


That's because early '10s culture, which includes politics and the recession, has undoubtedly started in late 2008, plain and simple.
Those are only two factors. Everything I mentioned was undoubtedly the late 00s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 09/29/17 at 7:29 am

FB was most definitely popular before that and I remember middle schoolers on FB as early as spring 2007. It really took off, at least in my region, around that year.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 10:28 am


FB was nowhere near popular in 2008. Yeah, HS and college students had it, but like BChris stated the general population didn't have one until the next year or in 2010. Oh, and I think it would have been rare for a middle schooler to have an FB at that time. I mean, MySpace was the one that was still in demand during that era.

How could one be considered an outcast for not having an FB by late '08? I don't remember anyone getting ridiculed for not signing up for FB at that time. That wouldn't have at least happened until 2010.

"Facebook was nowhere near popular in 2008"  ;D ;D ;D ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Please tell me this was a joke? If not, sorry buddy you are dead wrong on that and everyone on this forum can confirm that. You would an outcast as all middle schoolers had Facebook in 2008. It's common knowlege. And 2010? "Rare" for a middle schooler to have FB in 2008? Oh man, I am at loss for words right now. Did you live  under a rock on another planet or something?  ??? I really hope you were joking/trolling when you made that reply.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 11:04 am


FB was most definitely popular before that and I remember middle schoolers on FB as early as spring 2007. It really took off, at least in my region, around that year.
What region do you live in?


"Facebook was nowhere near popular in 2008"  ;D ;D ;D ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Please tell me this was a joke? If not, sorry buddy you are dead wrong on that and everyone on this forum can confirm that. You would an outcast as all middle schoolers had Facebook in 2008. It's common knowledge. And 2010? "Rare" for a middle schooler to have FB in 2008? Oh man, I am at loss for words right now. Did you live under a rock on another planet or something?  ??? I really hope you were joking/trolling when you made that reply.
No. I was being serious. I understand that school students had FB, but the general population didn't and that wouldn't have happened until 2009/2010. You're making it seem like that FB was everywhere by that year and MySpace was totally dead after 2007.

I don't think I would have been. I don't recall anyone asking me or others if we all had an FB. It was still all about MySpace at that time.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 11:23 am


What region do you live in?
No. I was being serious. I understand that school students had FB, but the general population didn't and that wouldn't have happened until 2009/2010. You're making it seem like that FB was everywhere by that year and MySpace was totally dead after 2007.

I don't think I would have been. I don't recall anyone asking me or others if we all had an FB. It was still all about MySpace at that time.

Well you were in a very SMALL minority if you didn't have it because it was everywhere... We are not talking about 2006, when most people didn't hear about it, we are talking about 2008... As others have mentioned, Facebook was gaining traction in 2007. That's when my brother and sister who were in highschool got it. The following year, younger people in middle school started getting it and by the end of 2008, it was ubiquitous in middle school, high school, and college and it would be odd if you don't have it. Hell I'm pretty sure elementary school kids had it too even if you had to be 13. Why are you talking about MySpace? I never said it died the same year, people didn't "switch" platforms just like that. They still had their  MySpace accounts while opening Facebook. Anyways I'm pretty sure everyone on this forum can agree with me, and as well as everyone in general outside of here because it doesn't seem like you lived on earth with that statement.... To be honest, saying "Facebook was not at all popular in 2008" was absolutely the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen on this forum. Oh and saying it was rare for middle schoolers to have it is probably the second most. I actually thought you were trolling. This reminds me of the time you said Twitter didn't get popular until 2011, but this is even worse because Facebook was huge in 2008 and a huge load of people were actually using it.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 11:43 am


Well, you were in a very SMALL minority if you didn't have it because it was everywhere... We are not talking about 2006 when most people didn't hear about it, we are talking about 2008.
As others have mentioned, Facebook was gaining traction in 2007. That's when my brother and sister who were in high school got it. The following year, younger people in middle school started getting it and by the end of 2008, it was ubiquitous in middle school, high school, and college and it would be odd if you don't have it. Why are you talking about MySpace? I never said it died the same year, people didn't "switch" platforms just like that. They still had their  MySpace accounts while opening Facebook. Anyways I'm pretty sure everyone on this forum can agree with me, and as well as everyone in general outside of here because it doesn't seem like you lived on earth with that statement.... To be honest, saying "Facebook was not at all popular in 2008" was absolutely a ridiculous statement I have ever seen on this forum.
Yeah, school students were aware of FB, but that doesn't mean that they immediately signed up for it. I was even aware of FB's presence in 2007, but I didn't sign up myself until 2010. Now yes I understand students had one and even used it simultaneously with Myspace, but the general population didn't have an FB until late 2009/2010. Before that, only school students used social media.

I only mentioned MySpace because it seemed you implied that it declined even though it didn't. Oh, and I think you're exaggerating on the outcast aspect. Like I said, I don't remember anyone being called that if they didn't have an FB by a certain time.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Shemp97 on 09/29/17 at 11:44 am

Do people think Katy Perry was an electropop princess in late 00's. Aside from Kissed a Girl(which was ghostwritten and heavily composed by other people) most of her hits were rock songs.

And tablets as we know them didn't exist in the '00s at all. The iPad came out in 2010. The closest thing were those stylus operated Pocket PCs stemming way back to the early '90s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 11:57 am


Do people think Katy Perry was an electropop princess in late 00's? Aside from Kissed a Girl(which was ghostwritten and heavily composed by other people) most of her hits were rock songs.

And tablets, as we know them, didn't exist in the '00s at all. The iPad came out in 2010. The closest thing was those stylus operated Pocket PCs stemming way back to the early '90s.
I agree! In fact, I actually listened to Kissed a Girl sometime ago, and it was definitely a rock song just like the rest of her first album. Again, it seems that most people forgot that the late 00s music scene was very diverse ranging from electropop, R&B, Hip-hop, Rock (or Alternative), Pop-Rock, and other uncategorized genres.

People need to realize the 2008 and '09 were not as early 10s as they are making it out to be. I'll even say that 2010 was more 00s than its own era. If we were to include fashion, technology, movies, TV shows, video games etc, they were undeniably more 00s than ever.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 09/29/17 at 3:01 pm


What region do you live in?
No. I was being serious. I understand that school students had FB, but the general population didn't and that wouldn't have happened until 2009/2010. You're making it seem like that FB was everywhere by that year and MySpace was totally dead after 2007.

I don't think I would have been. I don't recall anyone asking me or others if we all had an FB. It was still all about MySpace at that time.


I'm from the Midwest.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 4:26 pm


Yeah, school students were aware of FB, but that doesn't mean that they immediately signed up for it. I was even aware of FB's presence in 2007, but I didn't sign up myself until 2010. Now yes I understand students had one and even used it simultaneously with Myspace, but the general population didn't have an FB until late 2009/2010. Before that, only school students used social media.

I only mentioned MySpace because it seemed you implied that it declined even though it didn't. Oh, and I think you're exaggerating on the outcast aspect. Like I said, I don't remember anyone being called that if they didn't have an FB by a certain time.

It definitely declined and was past its peak by late 2008, you can even look at the stats. Peak of MySpace 2007 - early 2008, and this is a statistical fact.

And why would you say it was rare for a middle schooler to have FB in 2008? That doesn't make any sense as the age you are allowed to go on is 13.... Which pretty much became the target audience after it was used by colleges. So no 13 and 14 year olds went on you're saying? How the hell was it rare?

https://startupbros.com/myspace-the-rise-fall-and-rise-again-infographic/

"From 2005 until early 2008, Myspace was the most visited social networking site in the world, attracting 75.9 million unique visitors a month at its 2008 peak."

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: unicornic on 09/29/17 at 5:10 pm

It's hard to draw a line between late 2000's and early 2010's. I feel like a transition happened somewhere in 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 5:38 pm


I'm from the Midwest.
I think that had to with the fact you were in high school is which is when they began signing up around the time you stated; however, I would still say they were a minority because MySpace was still very popular that year.


It definitely declined and was past its peak by late 2008, you can even look at the stats. The peak of MySpace was 2007 - early 2008, and this is a statistical fact.

And why would you say it was rare for a middle schooler to have FB in 2008? That doesn't make any sense to the age you are allowed to go on is 13.... Which pretty much became the target audience after it was used by colleges. So no 13 and 14-year-olds went on you're saying? How the hell was it rare?

https://startupbros.com/myspace-the-rise-fall-and-rise-again-infographic/

"From 2005 until early 2008, Myspace was the most visited social networking site in the world, attracting 75.9 million unique visitors a month at its 2008 peak."
Are you talking worldwide or just here?

Here are some charts I online. FB may have passed MySpace in 2008, but that doesn't mean the former declined.

https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/facebook-vs-myspace-may-560x311.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P-0M1BriRFo/TgmlBD2qwxI/AAAAAAAAXUY/CCpuCkTxHs0/s1600/facebook-myspace-us-trend.jpg

Oh, and only about 100 Million had FB worldwide in Q3 2008. That's not even 10%!

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/264810/number-of-monthly-active-facebook-users-worldwide.jpg

The reason I said that is because FB once again was not as popular as you're claiming. Even if we're talking about school students, the numbers would have been lower for middle schoolers at that time, thus why I said it was rare.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 5:47 pm


The reason I said that is because FB once again was not as popular as you're claiming. Even if we're talking about school students, the numbers would have been lower for middle schoolers at that time, thus why I said it was rare.

How is it lower? FB began targetting young teens at that time. And if you say it is so rare, how would you explain that I was the last one to open a FB account in my class in August 2008, and one of the last people on my entire school, most of whom had Facebook? How can you say it is rare when the MAJORITY of students had an account in 2008?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 5:52 pm


How is it lower? FB began targeting young teens at that time. And if you say it is so rare, how would you explain that I was the last one to open an FB account in my class in August 2008, and one of the last people in my entire school, most of whom had Facebook? How can you say it is rare when the MAJORITY of students had an account in 2008?
It was lower because most people who signed up for FB at that time were HS and college students, not middle schoolers hence why I said it was rare for them.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 5:57 pm


It was lower because most people who signed up for FB at that time were HS and college students, not middle schoolers hence why I said it was rare for them.

That's not true. You can sign up for FB when you're 13, and my entire junior high had accounts. So what you are saying is wrong. It's the stupidest thing I've heard on this site to say FB was rare in middle school when the MAJORITY had it. Are you actually serious right now? Can you explain why you would make a statement that having FB in junior high is rare when that is wrong? I want to hear why you would say something like that when it isn't true.

So me being the last person to sign up at age 13 means nothing to you?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 6:06 pm


That's not true. You can sign up for FB when you're 13, and my entire junior high had accounts. So what you are saying is wrong. It's the stupidest thing I've heard on this site to say FB was rare in middle school when the MAJORITY had it. Are you actually serious right now? Can you explain why you would make a statement that having FB in junior high is rare when that is wrong? I want to hear why you would say something like that when it isn't true.

So me being the last person to sign up at age 13 means nothing to you?
Slim, you're making me laugh so much that you're missing the point. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The reason I said it was rare at the time for middle schoolers to have an FB is that they're not the majority of school students. Most users were high school and college students.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 6:22 pm


Slim, you're making me laugh so much that you're missing the point. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The reason I said it was rare at the time for middle schoolers to have an FB is that they're not the majority of school students. Most users were high school and college students.

Even if they were mostly high school and college (I believe high school and middle school had equivalent amount) that doesn't mean having it in middle school was rare... You can ask anybody who is my age now and most of them opened their accounts when they were in middle school. And it also doesn't mean Facebook was not popular in 2008. From 2004 to 2007 it was college focused and nobody has really heard of it, 2007 is when the site got popular, many people have already said this.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 6:46 pm


Even if they were mostly high school and college (I believe high school and middle school had equivalent amount) that doesn't mean having it in middle school was rare... You can ask anybody who is my age now and most of them opened their accounts when they were in middle school. And it also doesn't mean Facebook was not popular in 2008. From 2004 to 2007 it was college focused and nobody has really heard of it, 2007 is when the site got popular, many people have already said this.
Well, the number of middle schoolers having an FB account in 2008 still would have been lower while the high school numbers would have been much higher. As for the site's popularity, it became that way in 2007 due to school students, not the general population. The latter would not have begun to use FB until 2009 or '10.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: unicornic on 09/29/17 at 9:12 pm

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Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Escondudo on 09/29/17 at 11:18 pm

2008 simply had too many similarities to the core 2000s years in technology, pop culture, and politics to be considered a 2010s year. Some 2010s seeds were planted, but the bloom was far off.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/01/17 at 11:11 am


2008 simply had too many similarities to the core 2000s years in technology, pop culture, and politics to be considered a 2010s year. Some 2010s seeds were planted, but the bloom was far off.
This! Even back then when 2008 was current, there's no way that year would have been placed with next the era despite the things that would come to define it later.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: John Titor on 10/01/17 at 4:54 pm

2008 was A 2000s year and a 2010s year

The 2000's were slowly fading out in April of 2007,  The period from April 2007- August 2009 was a period of the late 2000s things being phased out and having the new 2010s things come in.

Things actually started feeling different around  june of 2008 (even before the LATE 2008 shift) but still had the same classic 2000s vibe, it ended up leaving shortly after the 2008 VMAS. The whole recession that made all the stores close is what capped off late 2008 being a changeful year,


Early 2008/  Late 2008 are 2 different vibes

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 10/01/17 at 5:03 pm


2008 was A 2000s year and a 2010s year

The 2000's were slowly fading out in April of 2007,  The period from April 2007- August 2009 was a period of the late 2000s things being phased out and having the new 2010s things come in.

Things actually started feeling different around  june of 2008 (even before the LATE 2008 shift) but still had the same classic 2000s vibe, it ended up leaving shortly after the 2008 VMAS. The whole recession that made all the stores close is what capped off late 2008 being a changeful year,


Early 2008/  Late 2008 are 2 different vibes

THIS! Exactly right.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Longaotian00 on 10/01/17 at 5:12 pm

I simply split the latter half of the 2000s as follows:

Late 2006/Early 2007--Mid 2008 = Core Late 2000s

Late 2008--2009 = Electropop/Pre 10's 2000s

I think this is fair enough, late 2008 was when a lot of new trends started appearing which would become popular in the 2010s

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 10/01/17 at 5:14 pm


2008 was A 2000s year and a 2010s year

Early 2008/  Late 2008 are 2 different vibes

Yup late 2008 was the start of the 2010s so you are right in saying 2008 was both a 2000s year and a 2010s year. 2009 would be a cultural 2010s year. Early 2008 was completely different from late 2008 in terms of culture.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheEarly90sFan on 10/01/17 at 7:19 pm


2008 simply had too many similarities to the core 2000s years in technology, pop culture, and politics to be considered a 2010s year. Some 2010s seeds were planted, but the bloom was far off.


Exactly.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Zelek3 on 10/01/17 at 8:35 pm


2008 was A 2000s year and a 2010s year

The 2000's were slowly fading out in April of 2007,  The period from April 2007- August 2009 was a period of the late 2000s things being phased out and having the new 2010s things come in.

Things actually started feeling different around  june of 2008 (even before the LATE 2008 shift) but still had the same classic 2000s vibe, it ended up leaving shortly after the 2008 VMAS. The whole recession that made all the stores close is what capped off late 2008 being a changeful year,


Early 2008/  Late 2008 are 2 different vibes

I see what you mean but what happened in April 2007?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 10/01/17 at 8:52 pm


I see what you mean but what happened in April 2007?


Super Paper Mario came out and ruined one of the best 2000s franchises.

Speaking of that game, this applies to me tbh.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/710/317/29c.jpg

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/02/17 at 1:53 am


2008 was A 2000s year and a 2010s year

The 2000's were slowly fading out in April of 2007,  The period from April 2007- August 2009 was a period of the late 2000s things being phased out and having the new 2010s things come in.

Things actually started feeling different around June of 2008 (even before the LATE 2008 shift) but still had the same classic 2000s vibe, it ended up leaving shortly after the 2008 VMAS. The whole recession that made all the stores close is what capped off late 2008 being a changeful year,


Early 2008/  Late 2008 are 2 different vibes



Yup, late 2008 was the start of the 2010s so you are right in saying 2008 was both a 2000s year and a 2010s year. 2009 would be a cultural 2010s year. Early 2008 was completely different from late 2008 in terms of culture.



I simply split the latter half of the 2000s as follows:

Late 2006/Early 2007--Mid 2008 = Core Late 2000s

Late 2008--2009 = Electropop/Pre 10's 2000s

I think this is fair enough, late 2008 was when a lot of new trends started appearing which would become popular in the 2010s
I understand where you all are coming from, but honestly, 2008 and even '09 WASN'T that different from 2007 in terms of many things. I suggest you take a look at Infinity's descriptive post of the late 00s. That's how the era truly was.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Longaotian00 on 10/02/17 at 3:10 am


I understand where you all are coming from, but honestly, 2008 and even '09 WASN'T that different from 2007 in terms of many things. I suggest you take a look at Infinity's descriptive post of the late 00s. That's how the era truly was.


Imo, I think 2007 is different from 2009. 2007 was pure 2000s culture and was a core 2000s year. '09 wasnt.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: John Titor on 10/03/17 at 6:43 pm


Imo, I think 2007 is different from 2009. 2007 was pure 2000s culture and was a core 2000s year. '09 wasnt.


2009 is not even a canon year of the 2000s lol

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 10/03/17 at 7:04 pm


2009 is not even a canon year of the 2000s lol

Yeah culturally speaking 2009 was totally 2010s and not '00sey at all.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/03/17 at 11:03 pm


IMO, I think 2007 is different from 2009. 2007 was pure 2000s culture and was a core 2000s year. '09 wasn't.



2009 is not even a canon year of the 2000s lol



Yeah culturally speaking 2009 was totally 2010s and not '00sey at all.
Look, I understand that Obama was president and the recession happened by the time 2009 arrived, but you all are forgetting everything else that makes the year associated with its original decade.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: unicornic on 10/08/17 at 11:11 am

In my opinion:
2008: late 2000s/early 2010's, leaning towards 00s
2009: equally late 2000's/early 2010's (but leaning more to the early 2010s by late of that year)
2010: late 2000's/early 2010's, leaning early 2010s
2011: early 2010s with a little trace of late 2000s
2012 onwards: pure 2010s

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 10/09/17 at 5:25 am

So here's the thing most discussions of '08 being an early '10s year seem to miss: there were already signs of that transition as early as 2007. A new pop sound emerging in such hits as Umbrella by Rihanna (not itself electropop, but I can hear its precursor in Umbrella, for example), the proliferation of countercultural themes in films such as Juno, the rising star Obama beginning to make news headlines, and most importantly, the first rumblings of global economic decay. These seeds were developing, despite 2007 probably being the "most" 2000s year of the bunch. To me, 2008 represents the first year in which all of these things are in full swing. Sure, the tech wasn't quite there, but considering a totality of the evidence, I don't think that one facet of culture weighs more heavily than all those others combined.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/11/17 at 11:22 am


So here's the thing most discussions of '08 being an early '10s year seem to miss: there were already signs of that transition as early as 2007. A new pop sound emerging in such hits as Umbrella by Rihanna (not itself electropop, but I can hear its precursor in Umbrella, for example), the proliferation of countercultural themes in films such as Juno, the rising star Obama beginning to make news headlines, and most importantly, the first rumblings of global economic decay. These seeds were developing, despite 2007 probably being the "most" 2000s year of the bunch. To me, 2008 represents the first year in which all of these things are in full swing. Sure, the tech wasn't quite there, but considering a totality of the evidence, I don't think that one facet of culture weighs more heavily than all those others combined.
There may have been signs of a new pop sound heard in such as Umbrella, but the other sounds of music were still there until 2009 or '10. Oh, I would like for you to explain what you mean by countercultural themes. I can't think of any that were changing by 2007/08.

Aside from that, there's more than just technology, music, and the economy. For some reason, people seem to leave out the fashion, films, video games, and the general atmosphere. People should factor those things in to get an accurate representation of how things were changing around that time.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 10/11/17 at 11:52 pm


Aside from that, there's more than just technology, music, and the economy. For some reason, people seem to leave out the fashion, films, video games, and the general atmosphere. People should factor those things in to get an accurate representation of how things were changing around that time.


Good point here.  The latter four you mentioned were still far more '00s than '10s in 2008.  Fashion was still scene/emo or logo t-shirts with hipster fashion budding but still not really mature yet.  In terms of movies, I think the '10s began with Avatar.  Prior to that, movies across all genres were still very '00s.  In terms of video games, 7th gen started far enough back in the '00s that I associate them more with the '00s than the '10s.  The current consoles are the quintessential '10s ones.  In terms of general atmosphere, that really started to change after Obama's victory in November 2008.  Fall 2009 had a significantly different feel to it than Fall 2008 did.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/12/17 at 4:37 pm


Good point here.  The latter four you mentioned were still far more '00s than '10s in 2008.  Fashion was still scene/emo or logo t-shirts with hipster fashion budding but still not really mature yet.  In terms of movies, I think the '10s began with Avatar.  Prior to that, movies across all genres were still very '00s.  In terms of video games, 7th gen started far enough back in the '00s that I associate them more with the '00s than the '10s.  The current consoles are the quintessential '10s ones.  In terms of general atmosphere, that really started to change after Obama's victory in November 2008.  Fall 2009 had a significantly different feel to it than Fall 2008 did.
Yes, and that there still leftover fashion from the mid-00s as well. I remember seeing chunky highlights, bling clothing, neutral wear, tracksuits, certain hairstyles etc up until 2009. I agree on the films. In fact, I watched some from that timeframe, and they were completely different even from 2012 ones. As for video games, I can totally understand because not only was their span more in the 00s, but most of the games that define the era were released before 2011. For the last one, I agree. By Fall '09, there was significant change to distinguish the period from last year depsite there still being 00s staples.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 10/13/17 at 3:35 pm

Remind me to respond to your question about counterculture. I just haven't yet had an opportunity to sit down and develop an answer.

As to movies by the way, I think the movie Wall-E, specifically, marked both the end of the '00s and the beginning of the '10. Yes, both simultaneously. As a result of a changing cultural zeitgeist, despite the persistence of emo fashion and music, the cultural artifacts of the peak '00s began to feel hollow and aimless, much as Obama-era music like dancehall does now coming out in 2017.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 10/13/17 at 3:47 pm


Remind me to respond to your question about counterculture. I just haven't yet had an opportunity to sit down and develop an answer.

As to movies by the way, I think the movie Wall-E, specifically, marked both the end of the '00s and the beginning of the '10. Yes, both simultaneously. As a result of a changing cultural zeitgeist, despite the persistence of emo fashion and music, the cultural artifacts of the peak '00s began to feel hollow and aimless, much as Obama-era music like dancehall does now coming out in 2017.

Dancehall isn't really Obama era as it first came out in 2016 with Drake and Sia. It was only popular in the final Obama year. Remember dancehall is a very specific genre that did not explode with popularity other than a couple songs like One Dance, Cheap Thrills, Work, and Shape of You. I think of it as a 2016 genre, like how disco was a 2013 genre. Just a fad. Doesn't belong to either the mid or late '10s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 10/14/17 at 8:01 am


Dancehall isn't really Obama era as it first came out in 2016 with Drake and Sia. It was only popular in the final Obama year. Remember dancehall is a very specific genre that did not explode with popularity other than a couple songs like One Dance, Cheap Thrills, Work, and Shape of You. I think of it as a 2016 genre, like how disco was a 2013 genre. Just a fad. Doesn't belong to either the mid or late '10s.


I beg to differ actually, because I see nu-disco, dancehall, tropical, and all these others as offshoots of electropop, the 2010s genre writ large. It's the same as how I see much of '80s music as an offshoot of new wave.

Anyway, to UGD's question about countercultural themes: look at movies like Juno, Adventureland, Scott Pilgrim...pretty much any late 2000s/early 2010s film starring either Michael Cera or Jesse Eisenberg (with the notable exception of Where the Wild Things Are). They have this faux indie aesthetic, mostly starring Millennial characters. It was countercultural when it came out during the Bush years (after which it became representative of "mainstream" culture), by which I mean they began to display themes corresponding to the core values of Millennials. I am happy to elaborate if necessary.

Which sorta brings me to my main point, which is that I don't believe I have left out fashion, films, video games, and the general atmosphere from my analysis. Especially as to the latter, I think my theory relies very heavily on these things. I see Wall-E as both the end of the Peak 2000s and the beginning of the 2010s; the fashion, with the coming of the Recession, moved away from bling towards more plaid wear (hell, I even remember making this observation to my mother around summer 2008); the music we've already gone over, but the video games were moving towards mobile and casual gamers; and the general atmosphere, as I've said before marked a general weariness with Bush and "going the course," because people were ready for hope and change. There was also the gradual transition from a cultural emphasis on suburbia to city culture (though my experience was probably accentuated by my going to college). And so on.

Does all that make sense?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 10/14/17 at 11:39 pm


I beg to differ actually, because I see nu-disco, dancehall, tropical, and all these others as offshoots of electropop, the 2010s genre writ large. It's the same as how I see much of '80s music as an offshoot of new wave.

Anyway, to UGD's question about countercultural themes: look at movies like Juno, Adventureland, Scott Pilgrim...pretty much any late 2000s/early 2010s film starring either Michael Cera or Jesse Eisenberg (with the notable exception of Where the Wild Things Are). They have this faux indie aesthetic, mostly starring Millennial characters. It was countercultural when it came out during the Bush years (after which it became representative of "mainstream" culture), by which I mean they began to display themes corresponding to the core values of Millennials. I am happy to elaborate if necessary.

Which sorta brings me to my main point, which is that I don't believe I have left out fashion, films, video games, and the general atmosphere from my analysis. Especially as to the latter, I think my theory relies very heavily on these things. I see Wall-E as both the end of the Peak 2000s and the beginning of the 2010s; the fashion, with the coming of the Recession, moved away from bling towards more plaid wear (hell, I even remember making this observation to my mother around summer 2008); the music we've already gone over, but the video games were moving towards mobile and casual gamers; and the general atmosphere, as I've said before marked a general weariness with Bush and "going the course," because people were ready for hope and change. There was also the gradual transition from a cultural emphasis on suburbia to city culture (though my experience was probably accentuated by my going to college). And so on.

Does all that make sense?

Yeah I understand your point

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/15/17 at 5:56 pm


Anyway, to UGD's question about countercultural themes: look at movies like Juno, Adventureland, Scott Pilgrim...pretty much any late 2000s/early 2010s film starring either Michael Cera or Jesse Eisenberg (with the notable exception of Where the Wild Things Are). They have this faux indie aesthetic, mostly starring Millennial characters. It was countercultural when it came out during the Bush years (after which it became representative of "mainstream" culture), by which I mean they began to display themes corresponding to the core values of Millennials. I am happy to elaborate if necessary.

Which sorta brings me to my main point, which is that I don't believe I have left out fashion, films, video games, and the general atmosphere from my analysis. Especially as to the latter, I think my theory relies very heavily on these things. I see Wall-E as both the end of the Peak 2000s and the beginning of the 2010s; the fashion, with the coming of the Recession, moved away from bling towards more plaid wear (hell, I even remember making this observation to my mother around summer 2008); the music we've already gone over, but the video games were moving towards mobile and casual gamers; and the general atmosphere, as I've said before marked a general weariness with Bush and "going the course," because people were ready for hope and change. There was also the gradual transition from a cultural emphasis on suburbia to city culture (though my experience was probably accentuated by my going to college). And so on.

Does all that make sense?
Yes, please elaborate on the countercultural themes. I'm still confused.

Well, you didn't; however, a lot of others have. As for your statement, I see what you mean with Wall-E. There were some cultural things from that film that did have hints, but I'm not sure if you're just talking about tech. For fashion, I saw plaid wear too, but I also still saw bling wear. Maybe it depends on the region. I agree with your summary of video games, but there was also still a variety of genres and the consoles were more about gaming than an entertainment system to watch movies, Tv etc. I also agree on the atmosphere. I felt that too especially the chanting  "Yes we can! Yes, we can!"

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 10/15/17 at 6:49 pm

2008 is probably talked about here more than 1997 was many years ago (there were even posts about how 1997 was more like 2005 than it was to 1995).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: DesiredUsernameWasTaken on 10/15/17 at 7:22 pm


2008 is probably talked about here more than 1997 was many years ago (there were even posts about how 1997 was more like 2005 than it was to 1995).


So?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/15/17 at 7:37 pm


2008 is probably talked about here more than 1997 was many years ago (there were even posts about how 1997 was more like 2005 than it was to 1995).
Yeah, most likely having to do that it was a transformative year.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: John Titor on 10/15/17 at 8:02 pm


Yeah, most likely having to do that it was a transformative year.


2005 was not another 1997 lol

Xbox 360
Katrina
youtube
what was groundbreaking that changed things

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/15/17 at 8:06 pm


2005 was not another 1997 lol

Xbox 360
Katrina
youtube
what was groundbreaking that changed things
He was talking about 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 10/15/17 at 8:35 pm


2005 was not another 1997 lol

Xbox 360
Katrina
youtube
what was groundbreaking that changed things


I was talking about threads from many years ago about people saying that 1997 had more in common with 2005 than 1995. That wasn't really to the point of what I was mentioning about.

http://www.inthe00s.com/archive/inthe80s/smf/1111471687.shtml
http://www.inthe00s.com/archive/inthe00s/smf/1112660697.shtml

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 10/16/17 at 8:48 am


Yes, please elaborate on the countercultural themes. I'm still confused.

Well, you didn't; however, a lot of others have. As for your statement, I see what you mean with Wall-E. There were some cultural things from that film that did have hints, but I'm not sure if you're just talking about tech. For fashion, I saw plaid wear too, but I also still saw bling wear. Maybe it depends on the region. I agree with your summary of video games, but there was also still a variety of genres and the consoles were more about gaming than an entertainment system to watch movies, Tv etc. I also agree on the atmosphere. I felt that too especially the chanting  "Yes we can! Yes, we can!"


I'm leaving this reply as a placeholder to remind me to explain my counterculture thing. I need to do a little bit of research to explain what I'm getting at.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Rainbowz on 10/19/17 at 7:39 pm

inthe00s threads in a nutshell
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4470/37749973886_83c393e52a_z.jpg

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/19/17 at 7:47 pm


inthe00s threads in a nutshell
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4470/37749973886_83c393e52a_z.jpg
I know how you feel right now. Sooner or later, there's types of topics will be less popular.


I'm leaving this reply as a placeholder to remind me to explain my counterculture thing. I need to do a little bit of research to explain what I'm getting at.
Have you been able to explain what you mean by counterculture?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 10/19/17 at 7:58 pm


inthe00s threads in a nutshell
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4470/37749973886_83c393e52a_z.jpg


Don't forget about the Late 42 B.C shift! :P  ::)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: 2001 on 10/19/17 at 9:57 pm


Don't forget about the Late 42 B.C shift! :P  ::)


Tbh I'd rather go back to 40s BC and die in the Roman civil wars than ever listen to trap rap ever again. The 2010s are the worst decade in recorded history. At least some people are nostalgic for Caesar's assassination, I think 2010s will be the first decade that nostalgia will skip.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: JordanK1982 on 10/19/17 at 11:51 pm

The shifts are too much! I am nostalgic for those old trashy 00's which are now retro!! The mid 00's were a great time dreamy vibes! That late 00's shift!! My childhood cartoons!! Cartoon Network is the only thing worthwhile in my life!! 50 Cent I miss you G-G-G-G-G-G UNIT! Late 2006 shift before 2008 shift!! Chris Brown's Forever the iPhone!!!!!

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: #Infinity on 10/20/17 at 2:29 am


The shifts are too much! I am nostalgic for those old trashy 00's which are now retro!!


Do you think 2009-2014 will seem retro in the 2020s? I think they'll start to become iconic once it's 2021 and we elect a new president, otherwise we'll be in for a wacky ride if Trump's still president and 2009-2014 will feel sort of dated, almost retro.

The mid 00's were a great time dreamy vibes!

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee136/suwarnaadi/jaredPadaleckiHairstyle.jpg
Yahhhh doggZ! Da mid-2000s were tha SHIZNIT!

https://www.hairfinder.com/haircollections7/long-mens-haircut.jpg
'Cept for dat Rachel Stevens singer ma ho lizzens 2 in da car. Dat shiznit is GAY.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/22/2a/e9222ade10d12085e0f5d7edbcd7c151--hair-style-for-men-men-with-long-hair.jpg
Who carez? So long az we be blastin' Dem Franchize Boyz in mah Hummer H2, we be gangsta through every block we roll! Represent homies!

That late 00's shift!!

'Twas an overlooked epic period that puts the end of the Cold War and freeing of Nelson Mandela to shame.

My childhood cartoons!! Cartoon Network is the only thing worthwhile in my life!!

It's also the only medium for which to analyze cultural shifts. It doesn't matter how YouTube was influencing everyday business and pastime or what was going on in international politics or any general moodset or general force of culture, it's all about which specific shows were airing during Toonami and which ones appeared on Cartoon Network on Friday nights!

50 Cent I miss you G-G-G-G-G-G UNIT!

Wings cut wannabes may be the only members here who seem to truly love 50 Cent and G-Unit, but still images of wannabes are people too.

Late 2006 shift before 2008 shift!!

Which one was better? I don't know, both were soooo huge!!! OMG, once we got to late 2008, 2005 was as 90s as grunge, new jack swing, and Seinfeld!

Chris Brown's Forever the iPhone!!!!!

With that smash hit, Chris Brown unleashed an anthem for the ages, one whose magnitude continues to echo throughout mainstream social attitudes and was clearly the grandfather of everything you hear on the radio today.

You're forgetting the June 2007 shift! That's when people were listening to Pitbull's "Sticky Icky," an important song in the evolution of hip hop.

Also it still felt like the 90s until 2006 because Blockbuster, Sam Goody, and Circuit City still existed. Songs like "Don't Lie" and "Don't Cha" are still totally 90s, I could easily imagine them being played alongside Britney Spears, S Club 7, Limp Bizkit, Train, and Smash Mouth. Although actually, the last of the 90s vibes weren't totally gone until "Sticky Icky" started being played, you can clearly distinguish it from Pitbull's previous song, "The Anthem," which reminds me of Jay-Z and therefore feels 90s.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 10/20/17 at 9:17 am


Do you think 2009-2014 will seem retro in the 2020s? I think they'll start to become iconic once it's 2021 and we elect a new president, otherwise we'll be in for a wacky ride if Trump's still president and 2009-2014 will feel sort of dated, almost retro.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee136/suwarnaadi/jaredPadaleckiHairstyle.jpg
Yahhhh doggZ! Da mid-2000s were tha SHIZNIT!

https://www.hairfinder.com/haircollections7/long-mens-haircut.jpg
'Cept for dat Rachel Stevens singer ma ho lizzens 2 in da car. Dat shiznit is GAY.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/22/2a/e9222ade10d12085e0f5d7edbcd7c151--hair-style-for-men-men-with-long-hair.jpg
Who carez? So long az we be blastin' Dem Franchize Boyz in mah Hummer H2, we be gangsta through every block we roll! Represent homies!

'Twas an overlooked epic period that puts the end of the Cold War and freeing of Nelson Mandela to shame.

It's also the only medium for which to analyze cultural shifts. It doesn't matter how YouTube was influencing everyday business and pastime or what was going on in international politics or any general moodset or general force of culture, it's all about which specific shows were airing during Toonami and which ones appeared on Cartoon Network on Friday nights!

Wings cut wannabes may be the only members here who seem to truly love 50 Cent and G-Unit, but still images of wannabes are people too.

Which one was better? I don't know, both were soooo huge!!! OMG, once we got to late 2008, 2005 was as 90s as grunge, new jack swing, and Seinfeld!

With that smash hit, Chris Brown unleashed an anthem for the ages, one whose magnitude continues to echo throughout mainstream social attitudes and was clearly the grandfather of everything you hear on the radio today.

You're forgetting the June 2007 shift! That's when people were listening to Pitbull's "Sticky Icky," an important song in the evolution of hip hop.

Also it still felt like the 90s until 2006 because Blockbuster, Sam Goody, and Circuit City still existed. Songs like "Don't Lie" and "Don't Cha" are still totally 90s, I could easily imagine them being played alongside Britney Spears, S Club 7, Limp Bizkit, Train, and Smash Mouth. Although actually, the last of the 90s vibes weren't totally gone until "Sticky Icky" started being played, you can clearly distinguish it from Pitbull's previous song, "The Anthem," which reminds me of Jay-Z and therefore feels 90s.


This sarcasm cracks me up ;D ;D ;D

But I’m not gonna like, I do kind of miss the Mid 2000’s :-X

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 10/20/17 at 9:20 am


The shifts are too much! I am nostalgic for those old trashy 00's which are now retro!! The mid 00's were a great time dreamy vibes! That late 00's shift!! My childhood cartoons!! Cartoon Network is the only thing worthwhile in my life!! 50 Cent I miss you G-G-G-G-G-G UNIT! Late 2006 shift before 2008 shift!! Chris Brown's Forever the iPhone!!!!!


But what a shift we had in late 2006.  The shift that was supposed to end all shifts.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 10/20/17 at 10:29 am


But what a shift we had in late 2006.  The shift that was supposed to end all shifts.


Nah it was all about The Late 2007 Shift:


http://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/images/10_share_images/games_15/wii_24/SI_Wii_SuperMarioGalaxy.jpg
bcZhJDUFb58

THIS GAME NOT ONLY REVOLUTIONIZED THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY,

BUT IT CHANGED THE COURSE OF OUR GALAXY FOR ETERNITY


IS IT ANY COINCIDENCE THAT THIS GAME CAME OUT DURING THE MIDST OF THE BURSTING OF THE HOUSING BUBBLE?

THE IPHONE BECOMING MASSIVELY POPULAR DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON OF 2007?

BARACK OBAMA CATCHING UP TO HILLARY CLINTON IN THE 2008 PRIMARIES?


This game will live on in history Sorry.... Odyssey & Slowpoke.....

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/20/17 at 10:44 am

The sarcasm in this thread is hilarious ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Looney Toon on 10/21/17 at 12:39 pm


Nah it was all about The Late 2007 Shift:


http://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/images/10_share_images/games_15/wii_24/SI_Wii_SuperMarioGalaxy.jpg
bcZhJDUFb58

THIS GAME NOT ONLY REVOLUTIONIZED THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY,

BUT IT CHANGED THE COURSE OF OUR GALAXY FOR ETERNITY


IS IT ANY COINCIDENCE THAT THIS GAME CAME OUT DURING THE MIDST OF THE BURSTING OF THE HOUSING BUBBLE?

THE IPHONE BECOMING MASSIVELY POPULAR DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON OF 2007?

BARACK OBAMA CATCHING UP TO HILLARY CLINTON IN THE 2008 PRIMARIES?


This game will live on in history Sorry.... Odyssey & Slowpoke.....


https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/23266068/hes-right-you-know.jpg

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 10/21/17 at 12:40 pm


Nah it was all about The Late 2007 Shift:



I think the early 2007 shift was more noteworthy.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 11/20/17 at 9:51 pm

Can confirm, I definitely was thinking of the wrong conversation. Sorry UDG. As with the other thing I explained in my message, it's hard to put it into words, mostly because I've simply taken it as a given.

By counterculture, I mean simply counter to the mainstream at the time, which was Bush culture. War on Terror and all that. That meant Millennials came out expressing tolerance for other cultures and lifestyles (much like we see today), and not just tolerance but acceptance - it's sort of taken for granted that people are different, not in an "I don't see race" kind of way, but in an "everyone is different/special" kind of way. There's the indie music soundtrack that cuts through all of the movies I mentioned, even where it would be anachronistic. The characters that feature prominently in each film or show are Millennials, so giving our generation someone to identify with.

But as far as countercultural themes themselves, there's a lot of Boomers acting ridiculous (i.e. our perception of them as self-indulgent and perhaps a bit self-obsessed), comfort with ambiguous sexual relationships (i.e. casual sex and dating, not so much concern over defining relationships), lots of young people working part-time or low-paying jobs because they don't feel they have to shoot for the best because why can't they simply be happy doing what they love, etc. That last part is especially important, by the way - this whole idea that Millennials follow their dreams as far as career, even if to someone of another generation it may seem like they're settling or something.

Like I said, it's hard for me to explain in words because I sort of understand it automatically in my mind and take it for granted that it doesn't click for everybody like for me. And also because I completely forgot about this amid a busy work schedule. My apologies for that, I hope this answer suffices (although I see this thread has now been reduced to memes).

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: batfan2005 on 11/21/17 at 7:12 am


I think the early 2007 shift was more noteworthy.


The late 2005 shift was a lot more noticeable than 2006 and 2007. Music charts having less glam rap and R&B; more dance pop and emo rock. The release of Xbox 360 as the first 7th gen console. The rise of MySpace/social media and YouTube. Premiers of the Office, HIMYM, the Boondocks, American Dad, and Mind of Mencia. The political culture shift from a conservative, patriotic, Post-9/11 pro-Bush culture to a liberal anti-Bush culture (especially after Hurricane Katrina).

2006 and 2007 continued the transition and brought more changes, but it wasn't until late 2008/2009 that the transition was finalized and the new culture was set, especially after the election of Obama and when the Great Recession hit.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 11/21/17 at 7:27 am

All these "shifts".  ::)

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 11/21/17 at 8:07 am


The late 2005 shift was a lot more noticeable than 2006 and 2007. Music charts having less glam rap and R&B; more dance pop and emo rock. The release of Xbox 360 as the first 7th gen console. The rise of MySpace/social media and YouTube. Premiers of the Office, HIMYM, the Boondocks, American Dad, and Mind of Mencia. The political culture shift from a conservative, patriotic, Post-9/11 pro-Bush culture to a liberal anti-Bush culture (especially after Hurricane Katrina).

2006 and 2007 continued the transition and brought more changes, but it wasn't until late 2008/2009 that the transition was finalized and the new culture was set, especially after the election of Obama and when the Great Recession hit.


All of this is why I start the period as early as American Idiot in September 2004, when Bush II looked like a sure thing, and end it with Wall-E and the rise of Obama culture.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: John Titor on 11/21/17 at 10:41 am


All of this is why I start the period as early as American Idiot in September 2004, when Bush II looked like a sure thing, and end it with Wall-E and the rise of Obama culture.


It started in the fall 2004 and last until August 2008

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 11/21/17 at 12:20 pm


It started in the fall 2004 and last until August 2008


Essentially. I might drag it out a liiiiiittle further to November, but between the Great Recession and the election of Obama, either one fits.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/21/17 at 8:28 pm


Can confirm, I definitely was thinking of the wrong conversation. Sorry UDG. As with the other thing I explained in my message, it's hard to put it into words, mostly because I've simply taken it as a given.

By counterculture, I mean simply counter to the mainstream at the time, which was Bush culture. War on Terror and all that. That meant Millennials came out expressing tolerance for other cultures and lifestyles (much like we see today), and not just tolerance but acceptance - it's sort of taken for granted that people are different, not in an "I don't see race" kind of way, but in an "everyone is different/special" kind of way. There's the indie music soundtrack that cuts through all of the movies I mentioned, even where it would be anachronistic. The characters that feature prominently in each film or show are Millennials, so giving our generation someone to identify with.

But as far as countercultural themes themselves, there's a lot of Boomers acting ridiculous (i.e. our perception of them as self-indulgent and perhaps a bit self-obsessed), comfort with ambiguous sexual relationships (i.e. casual sex and dating, not so much concern over defining relationships), lots of young people working part-time or low-paying jobs because they don't feel they have to shoot for the best because why can't they simply be happy doing what they love, etc. That last part is especially important, by the way - this whole idea that Millennials follow their dreams as far as a career, even if to someone of another generation it may seem like they're settling or something.

Like I said, it's hard for me to explain in words because I sort of understand it automatically in my mind and take it for granted that it doesn't click for everybody like for me. And also because I completely forgot about this amid a busy work schedule. My apologies for that, I hope this answer suffices (although I see this thread has now been reduced to memes).
Ah! I now see what you mean. I agree with everything, and I can understand why. I wouldn't blame millennials at all for expressing their views on the changes that occurred during that time.

I agree with the part about Boomers and that's also true as well especially since Millennials are more comfortable with those types of relationships than just commitment. While there are some out there who are married, there are lots of others who have FWB, unmarried relationships, cohabiting situations with children etc. As for careers, I have seen this happen and that's probably one of the reasons why more young people have entered college for the last decade or so. I actually think it's better for people to do what they love rather than be miserable with a job they don't like doing.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: batfan2005 on 11/23/17 at 8:00 am


All of this is why I start the period as early as American Idiot in September 2004, when Bush II looked like a sure thing, and end it with Wall-E and the rise of Obama culture.


I feel like late 2004/early 2005 was part of the feel good period of the mid-00's. It was the happiest and most peaceful time since after 9/11. Either that or people just got used to the Iraq War that has been ongoing. In 2003 when the war started, that is when trust in GWB started to drop, as the Iraq War was unpopular compared to the War on Terror in Afghanistan.

I enjoyed the 2004-05 school year (the time period if I was still in school). I remember the holiday season feeling especially nice with the movie Polar Express. It was a good Christmas, except for the Tsunami disaster in the Indonesia area.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 11/23/17 at 9:01 am

I'm curious, what grade were you in at the time?

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: aja675 on 11/23/17 at 9:14 am


I'm curious, what grade were you in at the time?
Um, he was long out of school.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: John Titor on 11/23/17 at 11:28 am


I feel like late 2004/early 2005 was part of the feel good period of the mid-00's. It was the happiest and most peaceful time since after 9/11. Either that or people just got used to the Iraq War that has been ongoing. In 2003 when the war started, that is when trust in GWB started to drop, as the Iraq War was unpopular compared to the War on Terror in Afghanistan.

I enjoyed the 2004-05 school year (the time period if I was still in school). I remember the holiday season feeling especially nice with the movie Polar Express. It was a good Christmas, except for the Tsunami disaster in the Indonesia area.


2004/2005
school year was easily the best one

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 11/23/17 at 12:25 pm


I remember the holiday season feeling especially nice with the movie Polar Express. It was a good Christmas, except for the Tsunami disaster in the Indonesia area.

I loved Polar Express. The animation technology and graphics looked so good back then I remember everyone was talking about it. But now when we look from a 2017 standpoint, it looks dated compared to the animation we have today haha.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Philip Eno on 11/23/17 at 12:32 pm


I loved Polar Express. The animation technology and graphics looked so good back then I remember everyone was talking about it. But now when we look from a 2017 standpoint, it looks dated compared to the animation we have today haha.
We are keeping that film for a family viewing around Chrstmas time.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 11/23/17 at 2:11 pm


Um, he was long out of school.


I didn't know that...I'm new here, remember?


2004/2005
school year was easily the best one


Ugh, I gotta disagree with you there. I had sort of an atypical year from what apparently was the norm, but it was horrible.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 11/23/17 at 3:08 pm


I loved Polar Express. The animation technology and graphics looked so good back then I remember everyone was talking about it. But now when we look from a 2017 standpoint, it looks dated compared to the animation we have today haha.

I agree 100%.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Rainbowz on 12/31/17 at 9:55 am

As someone who was a Kindergartner in 2008 and a decade old by 2012 and remembers both years like yesterday, I don’t even think the first half of 2008 was early 2010’s at all. The only case where I can see 2008 being the start of early 2010’s was when the election happened late that year, but even then that’s just barely. 2012 for example is early 2010’s numerically speaking, but it had an extremely different feel to it from 2008. In 2008, core 2000’a aspects were still relevant. The fashion was still very 2000’s, and it still wasn’t considered weird to have a flip phone back then as they were still very common. The hip-hop that year sounded like it would fit in more with 2006 than 2010, and YouTube was still pre-HD for most of 2008 until very extremely late that year in December. Compare that to 2012 when smartphones were everyone, and songs like “Call me maybe” we’re popular, and hipsters were starting to come late that year. Even 2011 felt different from 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: John Titor on 12/31/17 at 10:29 am


As someone who was a Kindergartner in 2008 and a decade old by 2012 and remembers both years like yesterday, I don’t even think the first half of 2008 was early 2010’s at all. The only case where I can see 2008 being the start of early 2010’s was when the election happened late that year, but even then that’s just barely. 2012 for example is early 2010’s numerically speaking, but it had an extremely different feel to it from 2008. In 2008, core 2000’a aspects were still relevant. The fashion was still very 2000’s, and it still wasn’t considered weird to have a flip phone back then as they were still very common. The hip-hop that year sounded like it would fit in more with 2006 than 2010, and YouTube was still pre-HD for most of 2008 until very extremely late that year in December. Compare that to 2012 when smartphones were everyone, and songs like “Call me maybe” we’re popular, and hipsters were starting to come late that year. Even 2011 felt different from 2008.

I was around 20 at this time, I remember 2008 very vividly , The first half of 2008 was mostly like 2006 2007/ the last half around Sept felt different with Lady Gaga and Obama being elected, music started getting slowly electropop. Then the mall stores started closing  " a 2000s staple"

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 12/31/17 at 12:51 pm


I was around 20 at this time, I remember 2008 very vividly , The first half of 2008 was mostly like 2006 2007/ the last half around Sept felt different with Lady Gaga and Obama being elected, music started getting slowly electropop. Then the mall stores started closing  " a 2000s staple"

Yeah same I was 13 and by the late part of the year early 2010s culture arrived.

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Written By: Slim95 on 12/31/17 at 1:38 pm

Speaking of 2008, I can't believe it's 10 years ago now. It does not feel that long ago. Kind of scary how a decade seems like less and less time as you get older.

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Written By: Shemp97 on 12/31/17 at 6:43 pm


I feel like late 2004/early 2005 was part of the feel good period of the mid-00's.

2005-2006 was hands down the happiest period of mid 00's.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/01/18 at 2:57 am


Speaking of 2008, I can't believe it's 10 years ago now. It does not feel that long ago. Kind of scary how a decade seems like less and less time as you get older.

To you...not me. 2008 feels like a long time ago.

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Written By: Slim95 on 01/01/18 at 4:09 am


To you...not me. 2008 feels like a long time ago.

It doesn't feel 10 years ago I said. Saying something is long ago is general and that's not what I said. I said it does not feel that long ago in reference to being 10 years ago. It doesn't feel like a decade ago to me at all.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Longaotian00 on 01/01/18 at 4:21 am


It doesn't feel 10 years ago I said. Saying something is long ago is general and that's not what I said. I said it does not feel that long ago in reference to being 10 years ago. It doesn't feel like a decade ago to me at all.


Same for me! :o :-\\

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/01/18 at 10:14 am


It doesn't feel 10 years ago I said. Saying something is long ago is general and that's not what I said. I said it does not feel that long ago in reference to being 10 years ago. It doesn't feel like a decade ago to me at all.

It feels like a decade ago to me. The world of 2008 is mostly unrecognizable to the world of now.

What about 2008 makes it connected to today?

*Bush & Obama are long gone, Trump is here.
*Beijing 2022 (Winter Olympics) is MUCH closer to today than Beijing 2008 (Summer Olympics).
*Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt are now both decorated former Olympians.
*The Great Recession has long been over.
*2008 fashion has been out of style since 2011 (going to be 7 years now).
*Most (or all) of the TV shows that debuted in 2008 are gone.
*Michael Jackson, David Bowie & Prince were still alive in 2008.
*Most people used either flip phones, slider phones or BlackBerry's to communicate in '08. Only a small few used or had smartphones.
*The PS3, Xbox 360 & the Wii were the popular gaming consoles. Now all of them are long gone and have been replaced by the PS4, Xbox One & Nintendo Switch.
*Katy Perry & Lady Gaga were new artists in 2008 and are now music veterans who don't have the same star power as they did from 2008-2013.
*Many popular musical artists today were either in elementary school, middle school or very early in high school in 2008.
*The Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were still raging and were the main geopolitical problem of 2008. Now, that's been replaced by North Korea's nuke problem, Trump's embarrassment and isolation of the U.S. on world stage, the war against ISIS (which is ending).

Seriously, what about 2008 makes it still feel recent? I just don't and will probably never see what makes it feel overtly connected to today.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Rainbowz on 01/01/18 at 10:23 am


It feels like a decade ago to me. The world of 2008 is mostly unrecognizable to the world of now.

What about 2008 makes it connected to today?

*Bush & Obama are long gone, Trump is here.
*Beijing 2022 (Winter Olympics) is MUCH closer to today than Beijing 2008 (Summer Olympics).
*Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt are now both decorated former Olympians.
*The Great Recession has long been over.
*2008 fashion has been out of style since 2011 (going to be 7 years now).
*Most (or all) of the TV shows that debuted in 2008 are gone.
*Michael Jackson, David Bowie & Prince were still alive in 2008.
*Most people used either flip phones, slider phones or BlackBerry's to communicate in '08. Only a small few used or had smartphones.
*The PS3, Xbox 360 & the Wii were the popular gaming consoles. Now all of them are long gone and have been replaced by the PS4, Xbox One & Nintendo Switch.
*Katy Perry & Lady Gaga were new artists in 2008 and are now music veterans who don't have the same star power as they did from 2008-2013.
*Most popular musical artists today were either in elementary school or middle school in 2008.
*The Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were still raging and were the main geopolitical problem of 2008. Now, that's been replaced by North Korea's nuke problem, Trump's embarrassment and isolation of the U.S. on world stage, the war against ISIS (which is ending).

Seriously, what about 2008 makes it still feel recent? I just don't and will probably never see what makes it feel overtly connected to today.

I would also like to add that an App store wasn't  even a thing until July 2008, so it didn't even exist for the first half of 2008. Now, most can't live without it.

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Written By: Rainbowz on 01/01/18 at 4:53 pm


It feels like a decade ago to me. The world of 2008 is mostly unrecognizable to the world of now.

What about 2008 makes it connected to today?

*Bush & Obama are long gone, Trump is here.
*Beijing 2022 (Winter Olympics) is MUCH closer to today than Beijing 2008 (Summer Olympics).
*Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt are now both decorated former Olympians.
*The Great Recession has long been over.
*2008 fashion has been out of style since 2011 (going to be 7 years now).
*Most (or all) of the TV shows that debuted in 2008 are gone.
*Michael Jackson, David Bowie & Prince were still alive in 2008.
*Most people used either flip phones, slider phones or BlackBerry's to communicate in '08. Only a small few used or had smartphones.
*The PS3, Xbox 360 & the Wii were the popular gaming consoles. Now all of them are long gone and have been replaced by the PS4, Xbox One & Nintendo Switch.
*Katy Perry & Lady Gaga were new artists in 2008 and are now music veterans who don't have the same star power as they did from 2008-2013.
*Many popular musical artists today were either in elementary school, middle school or very early in high school in 2008.
*The Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were still raging and were the main geopolitical problem of 2008. Now, that's been replaced by North Korea's nuke problem, Trump's embarrassment and isolation of the U.S. on world stage, the war against ISIS (which is ending).

Seriously, what about 2008 makes it still feel recent? I just don't and will probably never see what makes it feel overtly connected to today.

Another thing that makes 2008 different from today is that YouTube was mostly pre-HD until December that year.

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Written By: Rainbowz on 01/05/18 at 8:21 pm


YouTube was "mostly pre-HD" Until 2010.

HD for YouTube didn't come out until sometime in late 2008.

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Written By: pink.panda_v3 on 01/06/18 at 8:43 am

I was looking at family photos from 2008. I couldn't get over how 2000s it was. :D The fashion, technology, the vibe I got. It's a classic 2000s year indeed. :D But you're right it definitely wasn't early 2010s yet.

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Written By: ofkx on 01/06/18 at 2:34 pm


HD for YouTube didn't come out until sometime in late 2008.

Oh nvm, I misunderstood you.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: ofkx on 01/06/18 at 2:50 pm

2008 wasn't early 10s at all. How could it possibly be when songs like this dominated the charts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckKFxMw6z0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_weSk0BonM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rywUS-ohqeE

Heck, even 2009 was barely early 2010s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY
People love to exaggerate the "shift".

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/07/18 at 1:48 am


2008 wasn't early 10s at all. How could it possibly be when songs like this dominated the charts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckKFxMw6z0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_weSk0BonM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rywUS-ohqeE

Heck, even 2009 was barely early 2010s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY
People love to exaggerate the "shift".

Yeah, I agree.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 2:46 am


I was looking at family photos from 2008. I couldn't get over how 2000s it was. :D The fashion, technology, the vibe I got. It's a classic 2000s year indeed. :D But you're right it definitely wasn't early 2010s yet.

Late 2008 was the start of 2010s culture. And it's far from a classic 2000s year. The last year that is a classic 2000s year is 2005.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 01/07/18 at 5:39 am

Actually I think the transition into the '10s in that year was rather seamless and therefore subtle. It's most visible, in my view, in movies. Not in their style or genre, but in the topics they undertook. For instance, you had Harold & Kumar lambasting the entire idea of the War on Terror by criticizing such behaviors as racial profiling (therefore, a culture that is ready for the first black president), you had The Dark Knight also tackling the War on Terror vis-a-vis domestic surveillance (Americans really wanting the next administration to repeal the PATRIOT Act), Speed Racer as a scathing indictment of a playing field that favors the rich (the looming specter of recession and Americans looking for hope, change, and a new FDR), Wall-E criticizing citizens' complacency in the face of the failures of the government that purports to address disasters (people getting sick of the Bush administration and its message of "stay the course"), and so on and so forth.

Cultural transitions occur when there's a society-wide change in attitude towards the world around it; the cultural artifacts of that transition follow shortly after. In the Sixties, that meant the hippie movement losing steam and disillusionment with the end of the Vietnam War. In the 1970s, people turned on disco and the general attitude that government is good. The 1980s ended when people realized it was the economy, stupid. I'm not sure what happened to the '90s (except perhaps a couple planes flying into the World Trade Center), but I can tell you this faithlessness and weariness with Bush ended the '00s. Similarly, weariness with a government that appeared to get nothing done and general societal ire towards SJWs ushered the end of the '10s.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/07/18 at 9:45 am


Late 2008 was the start of 2010s culture. And it's far from a classic 2000s year. The last year that is a classic 2000s year is 2005.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/949f42b13894d3865614b1e08d7177db/tenor.gif?itemid=5245718

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Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 01/07/18 at 10:01 am


Late 2008 was the start of 2010s culture. And it's far from a classic 2000s year. The last year that is a classic 2000s year is 2005.


In my opinion, the classic 2000's were 2003-2008.

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Written By: LooseBolt on 01/07/18 at 11:15 am


In my opinion, the classic 2000's were 2003-2008.


Yeah, this is pretty close to my estimation as well.

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Written By: John Titor on 01/07/18 at 11:21 am


Yeah, this is pretty close to my estimation as well.


2001-2006
with a 07/08 extension

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Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 12:08 pm


https://media1.tenor.com/images/949f42b13894d3865614b1e08d7177db/tenor.gif?itemid=5245718

The classic 2000s were 2000 - 2005. These years defined the 2000s the most.

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/07/18 at 12:27 pm


The classic 2000s were 2000 - 2005. These years defined the 2000s the most.



https://media1.tenor.com/images/949f42b13894d3865614b1e08d7177db/tenor.gif?itemid=5245718

The GIF says it all.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 12:36 pm


The GIF says it all.

Well you're wrong. Only 2006 at the latest can be considered a classic 2000s year, as that year was transitional, but 2005 is the last year of the classic 2000s.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 01/07/18 at 12:54 pm

I agree with everything Infinity said in this quote.


* 90% of the pop charts were still songs that blended in with the rest of the late 2000s.
* 2010s fashion had virtually no identity yet. You had mostly the dying remnants of emo and scene, not Macklemore cuts or even really nu-males being widespread.
* Hardly anybody owned an iPhone. It was still Blackberrys and flip phones all the way. People did most activities on computers, not portable devices.
* Cinema was predominantly 2000s. Pixar was in its golden age; the Harry Potter franchise was ongoing; the Marvel Cinematic Universe was not yet a definite thing. The live-action fantasy reboot craze hadn't arrived yet; Disney had not yet precisely reached the meat of its Revival era, and Dreamworks was still the #1 competitor to Disney and Pixar, not Illumination Entertainment.
* Congress hadn't yet been taken over by gridlock-happy Republicans. Also, Gordon Brown was still Prime Minister in the UK.
* The Wii was one of the biggest toys in the world.
* Tablets hadn't yet come out.
* Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat weren't mainstream.
* No Game of Thrones or Walking Dead on television. Instead, you still had series like The Office, Lost, and 24.


When it comes to these discussions, either people don't mention any or most of these things at all. I wonder how do some people forget that the Wii was the most significant thing at that time, or that everyone owned a cell phone rather than an iPhone. Plus, most folks, used a digital camera to take pictures; they had iPods/MP3s to listen to music, and that they additionally still had broadband internet instead of wifi.

Also, the Kardashian clan were not superstars yet despite already having their show by then. Paris Hilton and Tila Tequila were the main stars for fashion and reality TV. Furthermore, the primary OS for Windows was XP; only the Wii had a had a remote (which was itself). Social media was still primarily used by high school and college students, and the standard game handhelds were the PSP and Nintendo DS.

It's so mind-boggling how some people have forgotten all these things in the last several years. :o

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/07/18 at 1:01 pm


I agree with everything Infinity said in this quote.

When it comes to these discussions, either people don't mention any or most of these things at all. I wonder how do some people forget that the Wii was the most significant thing at that time, or that everyone owned a cell phone rather than an iPhone. Plus, most folks, used a digital camera to take pictures; they had iPods/MP3s to listen to music, and that they additionally still had broadband internet instead of wifi.

Also, the Kardashian clan were not superstars yet despite already having their show by then. Paris Hilton and Tila Tequila were the main stars for fashion and reality TV. Furthermore, the primary OS for Windows was XP; only the Wii had a had a remote (which was itself). Social media was still primarily used by high school and college students, and the standard game handhelds were the PSP and Nintendo DS.

It's so mind-boggling how some people have forgotten all these things in the last several years. :o

Yeah, exactly. I also myself made a list on how 2008 is not apart of the 2010s culturally or otherwise.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/07/18 at 1:03 pm


Well you're wrong. Only 2006 at the latest can be considered a classic 2000s year, as that year was transitional, but 2005 is the last year of the classic 2000s.

Um...OK, whatever.

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Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 1:23 pm


Yeah, exactly. I also myself made a list on how 2008 is not apart of the 2010s culturally or otherwise.

Late 2008 is part of early 2010s culture. The first half can be considered late 2000s. But in the second half of 2008 is when 2010s culture came.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 01/07/18 at 1:46 pm


Yeah, exactly. I also myself made a list of how 2008 is not apart of the 2010s culturally or otherwise.
That's good that you did, and all of those things Infinity and I said can also apply to 2009 as well. That year wasn't that different from 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/07/18 at 2:15 pm


Late 2008 is part of early 2010s culture. The first half can be considered late 2000s. But in the second half of 2008 is when 2010s culture came.

I disagree.


That's good that you did, and all of those things Infinity and I said can also apply to 2009 as well. That year wasn't that different from 2008.

I agree.

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Written By: bchris02 on 01/07/18 at 3:18 pm

You aren't going to be able to convince Slim95 that 2008 doesn't belong with the 2010s.  I've stopped arguing it with him.  However, that is due in great part to his own personal life, the age he was at the time, and also that fact that he lives in Canada and not the US.  I've found that Canadians tend to more strongly associate 2008 with the current era than people in the US do.

I perceive 1998 in a similar way as I was 13 at the time.  To me, 1998 was a lot closer to 2000 than it was to 1996.  People who were older at the time don't generally see it that way.


I agree with everything Infinity said in this quote.

When it comes to these discussions, either people don't mention any or most of these things at all. I wonder how do some people forget that the Wii was the most significant thing at that time, or that everyone owned a cell phone rather than an iPhone. Plus, most folks, used a digital camera to take pictures; they had iPods/MP3s to listen to music, and that they additionally still had broadband internet instead of wifi.

Also, the Kardashian clan were not superstars yet despite already having their show by then. Paris Hilton and Tila Tequila were the main stars for fashion and reality TV. Furthermore, the primary OS for Windows was XP; only the Wii had a had a remote (which was itself). Social media was still primarily used by high school and college students, and the standard game handhelds were the PSP and Nintendo DS.

It's so mind-boggling how some people have forgotten all these things in the last several years. :o


This is the 2008 I remember.  I got an iPhone near the end of 2008 after several broken Sony Ericsons (does anybody remember those?  They were a popular slider phone during the transition from the flip phone to the smartphone era.)  People were quite impressed that I had an iPhone back then because not many people did.

I miss my Canon digital camera I had back in 2008.  Phone cameras have improved but I still think the quality is much less than real digital cameras.  I've actually thought about getting a digital camera again because I really used to enjoy photography.

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Written By: Zelek3 on 01/07/18 at 3:22 pm

2008 was mostly 2000s but I feel it definitely laid down the foundations for early 2010s culture with Lady Gaga's Just Dance, Lil Wayne's Lolipop, HDTVs being seen everywhere more widely, malls dying, Great Recession being officially known to the public, Obama's election, Facebook surpassing Myspace, etc. 2009/2010 would take this nascent culture to the next level.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 01/07/18 at 3:50 pm


This 2008 is the one I remember. I got an iPhone near the end of 2008 after several broken Sony Ericsson (does anybody remember those?  They were a popular slider phone during the transition from the flip phone to the smartphone era.)  People were quite impressed that I had an iPhone back then because not many people did.

I miss my Canon digital camera I had back in 2008.  Phone cameras have improved, but I still think the quality is much less than real digital cameras.  I've thought about getting a digital camera again because I used to enjoy photography.
Yeah, me too! No one except for a very few people had an iPhone or any of the other high tech phones such as the T-Mobile Sidekick, HTC Dream, etc. Most still had a flip or a slide phone. As for the question, I DO remember those although I never had one during that period. Mines was a Samsung and another company I don't recall.

It's funny you say that because one of my art teachers said the same thing about digital cameras. One day, my class was looking at a photo from those cameras, and the quality was not only superior but also more zoomable to where one can see more pixels in the image.


2008 was mostly 2000s, but I feel it laid down the foundations for early 2010s culture with Lady Gaga's Just Dance, Lil Wayne's Lolipop, and HDTVs being seen everywhere more widely. Malls were dying;  the public had officially known about the Great Recession, Obama's election, Facebook surpassing Myspace, etc. 2009/2010 would take this nascent culture to the next level.
That year may have laid down on what was to come in the 2010s, but it was very little and would not explode until 2010.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 3:57 pm


2008 was mostly 2000s but I feel it definitely laid down the foundations for early 2010s culture with Lady Gaga's Just Dance, Lil Wayne's Lolipop, HDTVs being seen everywhere more widely, malls dying, Great Recession being officially known to the public, Obama's election, Facebook surpassing Myspace, etc. 2009/2010 would take this nascent culture to the next level.

Yes that's what I kind of think as well. It was for the most part a late 2000s year but the year was tranformative and transitional so by fall of 2008, early 2010s culture has come with the economic crisis, election of Obama, electropop music and Lady Gaga popping up everywhere, fashion changing, new social media sites popping up and Facebook getting more popular, HD becoming the norm, etc. I believe the late 2000s, and the modern 2000s, was from 2006 up until late 2008 and the culture for the 2010s decade started early in late 2008.

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Written By: bchris02 on 01/07/18 at 4:04 pm


Yes that's what I kind of think as well. It was for the most part a late 2000s year but the year was tranformative and transitional so by fall of 2008, early 2010s culture has come with the economic crisis, election of Obama, electropop music and Lady Gaga popping up everywhere, fashion changing, new social media sites popping up and Facebook getting more popular, HD becoming the norm, etc. I believe the late 2000s, and the modern 2000s, was from 2006 up until late 2008 and the culture for the 2010s decade started early in late 2008.


Where I disagree with you is when you say that early '10s culture had fully arrived by late 2008.  According to you there is pretty much no difference at all between say September 2008 and 2012.  That is not the case.  I can agree that the foundations for early 2010s culture began in 2008 but I wouldn't say the shift was fully complete until at least late 2009.  Lady Gaga's big year was 2009, not 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 4:06 pm


Where I disagree with you is when you say that early '10s culture had fully arrived by late 2008.  That is not the case.  I can agree that the foundations for early 2010s culture began in 2008 but I wouldn't say the shift was fully complete until at least late 2009.  Lady Gaga's big year was 2009, not 2008.

I think late 2008 was the start of early 2010s culture. Of course later on things change and progress throughout the era naturally but main start was late 2008 imo.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 01/07/18 at 4:09 pm


I think late 2008 was the start of early 2010s culture. Of course later on things change and progress throughout the era naturally but main start was late 2008 imo.


Alright, I agree with you.

There is absolute NO, and I repeat, NO differences between January 2018 and September 2008.  Current culture is 100% identical to 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: John Titor on 01/07/18 at 4:10 pm


You aren't going to be able to convince Slim95 that 2008 doesn't belong with the 2010s.  I've stopped arguing it with him.  However, that is due in great part to his own personal life, the age he was at the time, and also that fact that he lives in Canada and not the US.  I've found that Canadians tend to more strongly associate 2008 with the current era than people in the US do.

I perceive 1998 in a similar way as I was 13 at the time.  To me, 1998 was a lot closer to 2000 than it was to 1996.  People who were older at the time don't generally see it that way.

This is the 2008 I remember.  I got an iPhone near the end of 2008 after several broken Sony Ericsons (does anybody remember those?  They were a popular slider phone during the transition from the flip phone to the smartphone era.)  People were quite impressed that I had an iPhone back then because not many people did.

I miss my Canon digital camera I had back in 2008.  Phone cameras have improved but I still think the quality is much less than real digital cameras.  I've actually thought about getting a digital camera again because I really used to enjoy photography.


Live in the USA and can confirm there was a radical shift around September of 2008 that led to the 2010s culture.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: John Titor on 01/07/18 at 4:12 pm

Also some of you guys are forgetting that by 2007 the 2000s culture was VERY long in the tooth and was going to change anyways regardless of the economy bursting and Facebook taking over.

It just so happens that Just Dance coming out, Obama getting elected and the decline of malls helped exasterbate the change


My memory is very vivid and 2007 was VERY long in the tooth, it had felt like 2000s culture had stagnated at the time

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 4:22 pm


Alright, I agree with you.

There is absolute NO, and I repeat, NO differences between January 2018 and September 2008.  Current culture is 100% identical to 2008.

No difference? Or no similarities? Yes there are still similiraties. Not many but this can all still be considered one big era. That may change later this year. But definitely there are similarities and this could be considered the same era with late 2008 still on a big scale. Current culture is not 100% identical to late 2008, but we are still in the same era. It is not identical though, unless we are looking it at a scale of 100 years. Not sure why you're saying that.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 4:25 pm


Live in the USA and can confirm there was a radical shift around September of 2008 that led to the 2010s culture.

Yeah so far 2008 was the most changeful year I have experienced in my life. Not sure if 1998 was more changeful as I was too young to remember and notice it, but I know I don't remember any year with as many changes and as big of a shift as 2008.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 01/07/18 at 4:27 pm


Live in the USA and can confirm there was a radical shift around September of 2008 that led to the 2010s culture.



Also, some of you guys are forgetting that by 2007 the 2000s culture was VERY long in the tooth and was going to change anyways regardless of the economy bursting and Facebook taking over.

It just so happens that Just Dance was coming out, Obama getting elected and the decline of malls helped exacerbate the change.

My memory is very vivid, and 2007 was VERY long in the tooth, it had felt like 2000s culture had stagnated at the time
That may be true, but you're also leaving out the past things that were still current in that period such as digital cameras, iPods/MP3s, Paris Hilton, Tila Tequila, flip phones, emo/scene fashion, Dreamworks again dominating, no MCU, the Wii and so on.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 4:35 pm


Also some of you guys are forgetting that by 2007 the 2000s culture was VERY long in the tooth and was going to change anyways regardless of the economy bursting and Facebook taking over.

It just so happens that Just Dance coming out, Obama getting elected and the decline of malls helped exasterbate the change


My memory is very vivid and 2007 was VERY long in the tooth, it had felt like 2000s culture had stagnated at the time

Very true. 2007 was part of the modern 2000s and late 2000s culture but it wasn't a classic 2000s year. From as early as 2006 you saw some new modern things come.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/07/18 at 7:16 pm


Alright, I agree with you.

There is absolute NO, and I repeat, NO differences between January 2018 and September 2008.  Current culture is 100% identical to 2008.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. Your statement is 100% false.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: mxcrashxm on 01/07/18 at 7:28 pm


ABSOLUTELY NOT. Your statement is 100% false.
I think he was mocking Slim so he pretended to agree with him.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: bchris02 on 01/07/18 at 8:40 pm


ABSOLUTELY NOT. Your statement is 100% false.


I know. I was pretending to agree with Slim.  I made the mistake of trying to argue with him again.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 9:48 pm


I know. I was pretending to agree with Slim.  I made the mistake of trying to argue with him again.

It's not black and white. You can have some similarities to a time in the past without it being identical. That's what I have always been saying. That's how life is, there are no set rules. My dad thinks the early 2000s still have similarities to today as would most people over the age of 65. Well I believe we have similarities since the late 2000s. Someone much younger than me probably thinks there are no similarities at all today from the previous decade. That's the way it works.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: Slim95 on 01/07/18 at 9:49 pm


ABSOLUTELY NOT. Your statement is 100% false.

You seem so passionate over decadology these days you always bold and capitalize your replies lol.  ;D

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/08/18 at 3:23 am


I know. I was pretending to agree with Slim.  I made the mistake of trying to argue with him again.

I should've have known. Slim95 does do a good job of having us fall for his traps ;D.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 01/08/18 at 3:24 am


You seem so passionate over decadology these days you always bold and capitalize your replies lol.  ;D

I was just copying bchris02 :P.

Subject: Re: 2008 was NOT an early '10s year.

Written By: LooseBolt on 01/08/18 at 5:39 am

My mother-in-law still uses the same flip phone she has had since 2006. Therefore we are still in the 2000s.

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