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Subject: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 2:31 pm

Which era of Cartoon Network is better in YOUR opinion?

It's TIME for a DEATH BATTLE!!!!!!!

The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004)

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Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)

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Personally, I love both eras and was able to grow up with both. I'm just appreciative that I got to experience it all.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/25/17 at 2:42 pm

I like both of them, but PowerHouse takes the cake!

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 2:46 pm


I like both of them, but PowerHouse takes the cake!

I'm the opposite. I like both but for me CN City takes the cake.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/25/17 at 2:53 pm

CN City, because I didn't really grew up with the Powerhouse era. Although, I was more of a Boomerang kid by the time I heard of Cartoon Network in early 2005.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 3:56 pm

I liked some of the Powerhouse era, especially 1997-2000ish. I don't care much for the 2001+ shows though starting with Samurai Jack.  :-X

I got Cartoon Network in late 2003 on my illegal satellite (I lived a few kilometres away from the border). I liked Codename Kids Next Door and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. I think those shows went on till 2006? Those were decent. By late 2003 I wasn't watching many cartoons though.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/25/17 at 3:59 pm


I liked some of the Powerhouse era, especially 1997-2000ish. I don't care much for the 2001+ shows though starting with Samurai Jack.  :-X

Impossible, there is nobody on planet earth who doesn't like Samurai Jack. FAKE NEWS.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/25/17 at 4:00 pm


Which era of Cartoon Network is better in YOUR opinion?

It's TIME for a DEATH BATTLE!!!!!!!

The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004)

ynWfhouOSsQ

Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)

r_1G0iWgGis


Personally, I love both eras and was able to grow up with both. I'm just appreciative that I got to experience it all.

Powerhouse = better shows, MORE shows at that. CN City, a bit more repetitive in the shows. By the end of this era, the classic cartoons and Cartoon Cartoons had been greatly minimized in favor of endless reruns of the same six shows (Kids Next Door, Camp Lazlo, Foster's, My Gym Partner's a Monkey, Ed Edd n Eddy, and Billy and Mandy).

CN City = better packaging, I love the big "map" they created that links the shows together.

I choose Powerhouse. But I like them both.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 4:05 pm


Impossible, there is nobody on planet earth who doesn't like Samurai Jack. FAKE NEWS.


It felt like it was going somewhere for the first 5 or 6 episodes, then that elephant episode happened and I was like no thanks. Did that show ever have a proper ending?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 4:08 pm


Powerhouse = better shows, MORE shows at that. CN City, a bit more repetitive in the shows. By the end of this era, the classic cartoons and Cartoon Cartoons had been greatly minimized in favor of endless reruns of the same six shows (Kids Next Door, Camp Lazlo, Foster's, My Gym Partner's a Monkey, Ed Edd n Eddy, and Billy and Mandy).

CN City = better packaging, I love the big "map" they created that links the shows together.

I choose Powerhouse. But I like them both.


I was about to say, as great as the CN City was, what really saved that era was a lot of shows that started towards the end of the Powerhouse era continuing on throughout the City era and peaking throughout CN City like Codename: KND, Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Ed Edd n Eddy, Duck Dodgers, and Teen Titans. Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Ben 10 were the only great shows that premiered during CN City. The rest of the shows were either too underrated or mediocre. Although I thought Camp Lazlo was pretty decent. The City era's biggest weakness was the drop in quality of original programming, however, the era as a whole in terms of variety and the lineup of shows was still really good, especially from mid 2004-early 2006 during the original City look.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 4:11 pm


Impossible, there is nobody on planet earth who doesn't like Samurai Jack. FAKE NEWS.

This is 100% true.

It felt like it was going somewhere for the first 5 or 6 episodes, then that elephant episode happened and I was like no thanks. Did that show ever have a proper ending?

It's having a proper ending now on Adult Swim with Season 5. The third episode (called "XCIV") of Season 5 of Samurai Jack airs TONIGHT at 11 pm EST on . So far, Season 5 has been AWESOME!.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 4:15 pm


I was about to say, as great as the CN City was, what really saved that era was a lot of shows that started towards the end of the Powerhouse era continuing on throughout the City era and peaking throughout CN City like Codename: KND, Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Ed Edd n Eddy, Duck Dodgers, and Teen Titans. Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Ben 10 were the only great shows that premiered during CN City. The rest of the shows were either too underrated or mediocre. Although I thought Camp Lazlo was pretty decent. The City era's biggest weakness was the drop in quality of original programming, however, the era as a whole in terms of variety and the lineup of shows was still really good, especially from mid 2004-early 2006 during the original City look.

How did the Powerhouse Era have more shows? More than half of the shows from the Powerhouse Era have been forgotten and during the CN City Era there was (I think) MORE shows airing on Cartoon Network. Also, "better" is up for debate seeing as that CN City showed reruns of shows from the Powerhouse Era and new shows from that time. It was the perfect balance and they were living in a beautiful 3D CGI city. It was like a shared universe. Timeless.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 4:27 pm


How did the Powerhouse Era have more shows? More than half of the shows from the Powerhouse Era have been forgotten and during the CN City Era there was (I think) MORE shows airing on Cartoon Network. Also, "better" is up for debate seeing as that CN City showed reruns of shows from the Powerhouse Era and new shows from that time. It was the perfect balance and they were living in a beautiful 3D CGI city. It was like a shared universe. Timeless.


No, that's not even close. The Powerhouse Era didn't just play Cartoon Cartoons all day, it also had classic cartoons from the 30's-80's especially Scooby-Doo, Tom & Jerry, and Looney Tunes being played regularly, it had reruns of shows from Kids WB at the time, and anime on Toonami everyday. That's way more variety than CN City although CN City's variety was miles ahead of CN today. Also, as for the Cartoon Cartoons. Johnny Bravo and The Powerpuff Girls finished its last seasons throughout the first few months of CN City, while Ed, Edd n Eddy, Codename: KND, and Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy were the only Cartoon Cartoons that were still around the entire City Era, but that was it. CN City did show reruns of Cartoon Cartoons but only in 2004 & 2005, and those weren't played as much as the Powerhouse years. From what I remember those were pushed to weekdays or late night time slots. By 2006 there were hardly any Cartoon Cartoons found on CN's schedule unless you tuned into the Cartoon Cartoon Show/Top 5 block during weekend mornings which was hard to do sometimes. I would say from Fall 2004 and earlier Cartoon Cartoons were being played during the daytime on a regular basis. Spring 2005 is when the majority were pushed to death time slots and by 2006 they were gone unless you count the Top 5 block. Just because there were a lot of Cartoon Cartoons featured in the City bumpers didn't mean the shows were played as much as they were in the Powerhouse Era when those were in its prime.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 4:38 pm


How did the Powerhouse Era have more shows? More than half of the shows from the Powerhouse Era have been forgotten and during the CN City Era there was (I think) MORE shows airing on Cartoon Network. Also, "better" is up for debate seeing as that CN City showed reruns of shows from the Powerhouse Era and new shows from that time. It was the perfect balance and they were living in a beautiful 3D CGI city. It was like a shared universe. Timeless.


That's even more false too. The most memorable classic shows in CN's history come from the Powerhouse Era obviously. There were only 2 truly memorable shows that started during CN City.

Dexter's Laboratory (1996) = Checkerboard
Johnny Bravo (1997) = Powerhouse
Cow & Chicken (1997) = Powerhouse
The Powerpuff Girls (1998) = Powerhouse
Ed, Edd n Eddy (1999) = Powerhouse
Courage the Cowardly Dog (1999) = Powerhouse
Sheep In the Big City (2000) = Powerhouse
Time Squad (2001) = Powerhouse
Samurai Jack (2001) = Powerhouse
Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy (2001) = Powerhouse
Evil Con Carne (2001) = Powerhouse
Justice League (2001) = Powerhouse
Codename: KND (2002) = Powerhouse
Teen Titans (2003) = Powerhouse
Duck Dodgers (2003) = Powerhouse
Megas XLR (May 2004) = Powerhouse

Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends (2004) = City
Hi Hi Puffy Ami-Yumi (2004) = City
Camp Lazlo (2005) = City
Life & Times of Juniper Lee (2005) = City
My Gym Partner's A Monkey (2005) = City
Ben 10 (2005) = City
Squirrel Boy (2006) = City
Class of 3000 (2006) = City

Yes I know what you're thinking "some of these shows had more of an impact on CN City or continued on throughout CN City", but at the end of the day they still originated in the Powerhouse Era. So not only the Powerhouse Era was the golden age but it's responsible for bringing out those golden age Cartoon Network shows whether they peaked in the Powerhouse Era, the City Era, or both eras.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/25/17 at 4:45 pm


How did the Powerhouse Era have more shows? More than half of the shows from the Powerhouse Era have been forgotten and during the CN City Era there was (I think) MORE shows airing on Cartoon Network. Also, "better" is up for debate seeing as that CN City showed reruns of shows from the Powerhouse Era and new shows from that time. It was the perfect balance and they were living in a beautiful 3D CGI city. It was like a shared universe. Timeless.


I may disagree with this as a person who never watched Cartoon Network during the Powerhouse era. They did show enough, if not, better shows during the Powerhouse era. A lot of them were timeless towards those who watched Cartoon Network for over 20 years now. But even with that, they also shown the same shows from the Powerhouse era on CN City.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 4:49 pm


No, that's not even close. The Powerhouse Era didn't just play Cartoon Cartoons all day, it also had classic cartoons from the 30's-80's especially Scooby-Doo, Tom & Jerry, and Looney Tunes being played regularly, it had reruns of shows from Kids WB at the time, and anime on Toonami everyday. That's way more variety than CN City although CN City's variety was miles ahead of CN today. Also, as for the Cartoon Cartoons. Johnny Bravo and The Powerpuff Girls finished its last seasons throughout the first few months of CN City, while Ed, Edd n Eddy, Codename: KND, and Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy were the only Cartoon Cartoons that were still around the entire City Era, but that was it. CN City did show reruns of Cartoon Cartoons but only in 2004 & 2005, and those weren't played as much as the Powerhouse years. From what I remember those were pushed to weekdays or late night time slots. By 2006 there were hardly any Cartoon Cartoons found on CN's schedule unless you tuned into the Cartoon Cartoon Show/Top 5 block during weekend mornings which was hard to do sometimes. I would say from Fall 2004 and earlier Cartoon Cartoons were being played during the daytime on a regular basis. Spring 2005 is when the majority were pushed to death time slots and by 2006 they were gone unless you count the Top 5 block. Just because there were a lot of Cartoon Cartoons featured in the City bumpers didn't mean the shows were played as much as they were in the Powerhouse Era when those were in its prime.

Yes. That is close.
Reruns of Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry and the Looney Tunes were still played a lot during the CN City. The Powerpuff Girls aired it's last new episode almost a year after CN City premiered and reaired constantly on CN until 2008. Cartoon Network still showed Kids WB shows during CN City (Static Shock, Batman Beyond, Xiaolin Showdown, Mucha Lucha, Jackie Chan Adventures, etc). Reruns of Dexter's Lab, Cow & Chicken, I Am Weasel, Johnny Bravo and Courage the Cowardly Dog were still aired. Also, is it true that a lot of cartoons that were on Cartoon Network during the Powerhouse Era are forgotten (Sheep in the Big City, What Ever Happened to Robot Jones?, Time Squad, Mike, Lu & Og, Grim & Evil, etc). The Powerhouse Era was great but CN City was even better because of the perfect balance and the 3D CGI city IMO. What's with all this hate for CN City?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 4:53 pm


That's even more false too. The most memorable classic shows in CN's history come from the Powerhouse Era obviously. There were only 2 truly memorable shows that started during CN City.

Dexter's Laboratory (1996) = Checkerboard
Johnny Bravo (1997) = Powerhouse
Cow & Chicken (1997) = Powerhouse
The Powerpuff Girls (1998) = Powerhouse
Ed, Edd n Eddy (1999) = Powerhouse
Courage the Cowardly Dog (1999) = Powerhouse
Sheep In the Big City (2000) = Powerhouse
Time Squad (2001) = Powerhouse

Samurai Jack (2001) = Powerhouse
Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy (2001) = Powerhouse
Evil Con Carne (2001) = Powerhouse
Justice League (2001) = Powerhouse
Codename: KND (2002) = Powerhouse
Teen Titans (2003) = Powerhouse
Duck Dodgers (2003) = Powerhouse
Megas XLR (May 2004) = Powerhouse

Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends (2004) = City
Hi Hi Puffy Ami-Yumi (2004) = City
Camp Lazlo (2005) = City
Life & Times of Juniper Lee (2005) = City
My Gym Partner's A Monkey (2005) = City
Ben 10 (2005) = City
Squirrel Boy (2006) = City
Class of 3000 (2006) = City


Yes I know what you're thinking "some of these shows had more of an impact on CN City or continued on throughout CN City", but at the end of the day they still originated in the Powerhouse Era. So not only the Powerhouse Era was the golden age but it's responsible for bringing out those golden age Cartoon Network shows whether they peaked in the Powerhouse Era, the City Era, or both eras.

The cartoons in bold are forgotten. Ed, Eddy and Eddy aired for a decade until 2009 and was an integral part of CN City. Megas XLR, Duck Dodgers, Codename: Kids Next Door, Teen Titans were definetly more CN City era shows. Just because they premiered towards the end of the Powerhouse doesn't make them Powerhouse Era shows.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/25/17 at 4:59 pm


The cartoons in bold are forgotten. Ed, Eddy and Eddy aired for a decade until 2009 and was an integral part of CN City. Megas XLR, Duck Dodgers, Codename: Kids Next Door, Teen Titans were definetly more CN City era shows. Just because they premiered towards the end of the Powerhouse doesn't make them Powerhouse Era shows.


Except those shows were as popular as they were in the Powerhouse era. Especially Codename: KND and Teen Titans.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 5:13 pm


Except those shows were as popular as they were in the Powerhouse era. Especially Codename: KND and Teen Titans.

Ed, Edd n Eddy was just as popular under the CN City era as during the Powerhouse Era. Codename: KND aired from 2002-2008, it was definetly more popular during the CN City era (it's first TV movie aired during the City Era). Teen Titans aired from 2003-2006 , so it was definetly more popular during the CN City Era. Both the Powerhouse Era and CN City eras were great. That is all.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 5:13 pm


Reruns of Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry and the Looney Tunes were still played a lot during the CN City.


You're wrong, Tom & Jerry was the only classic cartoon still on during CN City during weekend mornings. A Pup Named Scooby-Doo was played sometimes during CN City but it was mostly What's New Scooby-Doo (which isn't classic). All the other classic Scooby-Doo shows were gone off the air. Looney Tunes was taken off Cartoon Network in October 2004 so it basically didn't air throughout CN City, and before then when it was only around the first few months it was only on once a week for 30 min very early (like 6am) on Saturday morning. In 2003 you got 3 hours of Looney Tunes on Saturday mornings before Duck Dodgers.


The Powerpuff Girls aired it's last new episode almost a year after CN City premiered and re aired constantly on CN until 2008.


True, but after that it was hardly played and pushed to weekdays or death time slots, and like I said before by 2006 you could not watch a Cartoon Cartoon separately during primetime hours unless you watched the Cartoon Cartoon Show/Top 5 once a week which separated different Cartoon Cartoons and CN originals onto one block. (which was better than nothing but frustrating at the same time)


Cartoon Network still showed Kids WB shows during CN City (Static Shock, Batman Beyond, Xiaolin Showdown, Mucha Lucha, Jackie Chan Adventures, etc).


That's true. Don't forget Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh either. A lot of those were on Miguzi or Toonami. Xiaolin Showdown reruns were played a lot in 2006.


Reruns of Dexter's Lab, Cow & Chicken, I Am Weasel, Johnny Bravo and Courage the Cowardly Dog were still aired.


Once again, hardly as much as the Powerhouse Era, by the time we got into the peak of CN City it was mainly Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Ed Edd n Eddy, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Teen Titans, Codeneame: KND, and Camp Lazlo being played during primetime hours or weekends when the network was going to get the most views by kids. In 2005 or 2006 I remember having to stay up very late at night or wake up very early in the morning to catch Dexter's Laboratory or Courage the Cowardly Dog once a week lol. Otherwise I'd have to hope it was gonna be shown on the Top 5 block.


Also, is it true that a lot of cartoons that were on Cartoon Network during the Powerhouse Era are forgotten (Sheep in the Big City, What Ever Happened to Robot Jones?, Time Squad, Mike, Lu & Og, Grim & Evil, etc).

Honestly with Grim & Evil, it's the same as Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy and Evil Con Carne, but just combined together. Evil Con Carne would be the forgotten show, but Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy is without a doubt the memorable one. Still when it comes to the ratio of original shows when comparing both eras, there's no doubt the Powerhouse Era had more memorable shows than forgettable ones.


The Powerhouse Era was great but CN City was even better because of the perfect balance and the 3D CGI city IMO. What's with all this hate for CN City?


Hate for CN City? Since when did I ever hate CN City. It's my 2nd favorite era. In fact the last few years people have praised the CN City more than any other era of CN but at the same time a lot of those folks are misinformed and think summer 2005 was the peak of CN because of its incredible bumpers. Summer 2005 was awesome especially that Saturday night Toonami lineup but calling it the peak of CN is a little bit of a stretch. 3D CGI City was great but it didn't effect the programming. I care more about the variety of shows that were around, and the Powerhouse Era had more variety of shows available throughout the schedule, especially the 2002 & 2003 years for me.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 5:16 pm


The cartoons in bold are forgotten. Ed, Eddy and Eddy aired for a decade until 2009 and was an integral part of CN City. Megas XLR, Duck Dodgers, Codename: Kids Next Door, Teen Titans were definetly more CN City era shows. Just because they premiered towards the end of the Powerhouse doesn't make them Powerhouse Era shows.


Codename: KND was a Powerhouse/City hybrid but leans more towards City. Ed, Edd n Eddy was a Powerhouse/City hybrid but leans more towards Powerhouse because a lot of people consider the cul-de-sac/neighborhood episodes to be the peak of the show rather than the episodes when they were in school, although as a kid I enjoyed all of them. Duck Dodgers was a perfect Powerhouse/City hybrid cause it was on reasonable time-slots throughout 2003 & 2004 but pushed to death time slots in 2005 before it ended. I agree with Teen Titans and Megas XLR mainly being complete City era shows though. Those may had been City Era shows but they still originated during the Powerhouse Era which is what all golden age CN shows had in common.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 5:18 pm


You're wrong, Tom & Jerry was the only classic cartoon still on during CN City during weekend mornings. A Pup Named Scooby-Doo was played sometimes during CN City but it was mostly What's New Scooby-Doo (which isn't classic). All the other classic Scooby-Doo shows were gone off the air. Looney Tunes was taken off Cartoon Network in October 2004 so it basically didn't air throughout CN City, and before then when it was only around the first few months it was only on once a week for 30 min very early (like 6am) on Saturday morning. In 2003 Looney Tunes you got 3 hours of Looney Tunes on Saturday mornings before Duck Dodgers.

True, but after that it was hardly played and pushed to weekdays or death time slots, and like I said before by 2006 you could not watch a Cartoon Cartoon separately during a primetime hours unless you watched the Cartoon Cartoon Show/Top 5 once a week which separated different Cartoon Cartoons and CN originals onto one block. (which was better than nothing but frustrating at the same time)

That's true. Don't forget Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh either. A lot of those were on Miguzi or Toonami. Xiaolin Showdown reruns were played a lot in 2006.

Once again, hardly as much as the Powerhouse Era, by the time we got into the peak of CN City it was mainly Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Ed Edd n Eddy, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Teen Titans, Codeneame: KND, and Camp Lazlo being played during primetime hours or weekends when the network was going to get the most views by kids. In 2005 or 2006 I remember having to stay up very late at night or wake up very early in the morning to catch Dexter's Laboratory or Courage the Cowardly Dog once a week lol. Otherwise I'd have to hope it was gonna be shown on the Top 5 block.
Honestly with Grim & Evil, it's the same as Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy and Evil Con Carne, but just combined together. Evil Con Carne would be the forgotten show, but Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy is without a doubt the memorable one. Still when it comes to the ratio of original shows when comparing both eras, there's no doubt the Powerhouse Era had more memorable shows than forgettable ones.

Hate for CN City? Since when did I ever hate CN City. It's my 2nd favorite era. In fact the last few years people have praised the CN City more than any other era of CN but at the same time a lot of those folks are misinformed and think summer 2005 was the peak of CN because of its incredible bumpers. Summer 2005 was awesome especially that Saturday night Toonami lineup but calling it the peak of CN is a little bit of a stretch. 3D CGI City was great but it didn't effect the programming. I care more about the variety of shows that were around, and the Powerhouse Era had more variety of shows available throughout the schedule, especially the 2002 & 2003 years for me.

Cartoon Network still aired the Looney Tunes a lot until 2008. That's a fact. But anyways, we both agree that both eras are great and that is all that needs to be said.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 5:22 pm


Duck Dodgers and Codename: KND were Powerhouse/City hybrids. I agree with Teen Titans and Megas XLR mainly being City era shows though. Those may had been City Era shows but they still originated during the Powerhouse Era which is what all golden age CN shows have in common. Ed, Edd n Eddy was a Powerhouse/City hybrid but leans more towards Powerhouse IMO because a lot of people consider the cul-de-sac/neighborhood episodes to be the peak of the show rather than the episodes when they were in school, although as a kid I enjoyed all of them.

How can KND show that aired until 2008 be a Powerhouse/City hybrid? Also, Duck Dodgers aired for longer during CN City but I can accept it's hybrid status. Ed, Edd n Eddy was still great no matter the episodes aired in 2001 or 2005. However, yes the majority of CN's best shows premiered during the Powerhouse Era.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 03/25/17 at 5:26 pm


Cartoon Network still aired the Looney Tunes a lot until 2008. That's a fact. But anyways, we both agree that both eras are great and that is all that needs to be said.

Actually CN stopped airing Looney Tunes from 2004 until 2009, from what I remember. The spinoffs don't count.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/25/17 at 5:27 pm


Ed, Edd n Eddy was just as popular under the CN City era as during the Powerhouse Era. Codename: KND aired from 2002-2008, it was definetly more popular during the CN City era (it's first TV movie aired during the City Era). Teen Titans aired from 2003-2006 , so it was definetly more popular during the CN City Era. Both the Powerhouse Era and CN City eras were great. That is all.


Ed Edd n Eddy was as popular during the Powerhouse, City, Summer/Fall '07, and Noods eras. Same with Codename: KND. Just because they were shown at both Powerhouse and City eras, that doesn't mean they were equally great. Every era from Cartoon Network is unique, especially with its promos, programming, and how they air them. It's like a new operating system, except it's on TV.


How can KND show that aired until 2008 be a Powerhouse/City hybrid? Also, Duck Dodgers aired for longer during CN City but I can accept it's hybrid status. Ed, Edd n Eddy was still great no matter the episodes aired in 2001 or 2005. However, yes the majority of CN's best shows premiered during the Powerhouse Era.


Because the show was shown as much during both eras. Hence why they're considered to be a Powerhouse/City hybrid.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 5:30 pm


How can KND show that aired until 2008 be a Powerhouse/City hybrid? Also, Duck Dodgers aired for longer during CN City but I can accept it's hybrid status. Ed, Edd n Eddy was still great no matter the episodes aired in 2001 or 2005. However, yes the majority of CN's best shows premiered during the Powerhouse Era.


Codename: KND was voted as the winner in the CCF Big Pick Show in 2001, which made it become a series in 2002. Throughout fall 2002 there was a lot of hype for the show coming out and it aired its first 2 seasons throughout the Powerhouse Era. Sure the movies and the rest of the seasons aired throughout CN City, but it was definitely a hybrid trust me. It was just as popular in the late Powerhouse years as it was throughout CN City. I agree that Codename: KND leans more towards City but it had an impact during the Powerhouse too.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 5:32 pm


Cartoon Network still aired the Looney Tunes a lot until 2008. That's a fact. But anyways, we both agree that both eras are great and that is all that needs to be said.


There was no Looney Tunes on Cartoon Network in 2008, after mid 2004 the only time Looney Tunes came on Cartoon Network was during a marathon in November 2009, then in 2011 Looney Tunes was finally back on Cartoon Network and Boomerang on a regular basis.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/25/17 at 5:35 pm


Cartoon Network still aired the Looney Tunes a lot until 2008. That's a fact. But anyways, we both agree that both eras are great and that is all that needs to be said.


I thought most of the Looney Tunes reruns in the mid-late 2000s were on Boomerang. Since when did Cartoon Network suddenly aired old Looney Tunes shorts by 2008? That's not a fact if you're not telling the truth.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 5:38 pm


I thought most of the Looney Tunes reruns in the mid-late 2000s were on Boomerang. Since when did Cartoon Network suddenly aired old Looney Tunes shorts by 2008? That's not a fact if you're not telling the truth.


Let me note that Looney Tunes was still on Boomerang from 2005-2007, but after 2007 it was taken off until 2011. I guess the Looney Tunes Show coming out in 2011 had a lot of influence on the classic shorts returning to both CN and Boomerang at the same time.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 5:39 pm


Codename: KND was voted as the winner in the CCF Big Pick Show in 2001, which made it become a series in 2002. Throughout fall 2002 there was a lot of hype for the show coming out and it aired its first 2 seasons throughout the Powerhouse Era. Sure the movies and the rest of the seasons aired throughout CN City, but it was definitely a hybrid trust me. It was just as popular in the late Powerhouse years as it was throughout CN City. I agree that Codename: KND leans more towards City but it had an impact during the Powerhouse too.

I know, I remember those days as well, lol. Codename: KND did have an impact on the Powerhouse Era but it aired for more during CN City and those KND bumpers are essentially iconic and beautiful. However, yes...it's Powerhouse days are memorable.


There was no Looney Tunes on Cartoon Network in 2008, after mid 2004 the only time Looney Tunes came on Cartoon Network was during a marathon in November 2009, then in 2011 Looney Tunes was finally back on Cartoon Network and Boomerang on a regular basis.

Nevermind, you're right.


Ed Edd n Eddy was as popular during the Powerhouse, City, Summer/Fall '07, and Noods eras. Same with Codename: KND. Just because they were shown at both Powerhouse and City eras, that doesn't mean they were equally great. Every era from Cartoon Network is unique, especially with its promos, programming, and how they air them. It's like a new operating system, except it's on TV.

Because the show was shown as much during both eras. Hence why they're considered to be a Powerhouse/City hybrid.

Wait, so are you saying all eras of CN are good?  :o :o


I thought most of the Looney Tunes reruns in the mid-late 2000s were on Boomerang. Since when did Cartoon Network suddenly aired old Looney Tunes shorts by 2008? That's not a fact if you're not telling the truth.

You're right. I mixed my memories, I also watched a lot of Boomerang growing up  :P

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: 2001 on 03/25/17 at 5:46 pm

Didn't Ed Edd 'n Eddy move to a school in 2005 or something?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 5:49 pm


Didn't Ed Edd 'n Eddy move to a school in 2005 or something?


Yep, that's when season 5 began. I still loved all episodes growing up though, but the cul-de-sac ones were more adventurous.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/25/17 at 5:50 pm


Let me note that Looney Tunes was still on Boomerang from 2005-2007, but after 2007 it was taken off until 2011. I guess the Looney Tunes Show coming out in 2011 had a lot of influence on the classic shorts returning to both CN and Boomerang at the same time.


Damn, really? I guess that makes sense considering I didn't watch Boomerang that much after 2007. Although when I was 5-6, I do recall seeing Looney Tunes on Boomerang often.


Wait, so are you saying all eras of CN are good?  :o :o


No. I never considering all of the CN eras to be good. In fact, I hate the Check It 3.0 era, due to how much it constantly airs Teen Titans Go reruns over and over again. Which leads into Cartoon Network not having a good lineup with their shows.


Yep, that's when season 5 began. I still loved all episodes growing up though, but the cul-de-sac ones were more adventurous.


I honestly enjoyed more of the Cul-de-sac summer episodes, since they were classics. Although the school episodes were okay at a certain level.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 5:54 pm


No. I never considering all of the CN eras to be good. In fact, I hate the Check It 3.0 era, due to how much it constantly airs Teen Titans Go reruns over and over again. Which leads into Cartoon Network not having a good lineup with their shows.


It's not even 3.0 anymore, it's now 4.0 or this Dimensional era whatever you call it. There are signs that the CHECK it era is finally ending soon, but every time I say that there's always another version  :(

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 5:56 pm


It's not even 3.0 anymore, it's now 4.0 or this Dimensional era whatever you call it. There are signs that the CHECK it era is finally ending soon, but every time I say that there's always another version  :(

What do you guys think about the Noods era of CN?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/25/17 at 6:00 pm


It's not even 3.0 anymore, it's now 4.0 or this Dimensional era whatever you call it. There are signs that the CHECK it era is finally ending soon, but every time I say that there's always another version  :(


Really? Wow. I honestly haven't watched Cartoon Network since late 2013. So I didn't really see how it was different three years ago.


What do you guys think about the Noods era of CN?


For myself, it was a cool era. Although it wasn't as great as the Yes and Summer eras IMO.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/25/17 at 6:00 pm


What do you guys think about the Noods era of CN?


I'll leave that between you two. I'm not going to talk about any CN era past 2006 unless it's positives about CHECK it 1.0 or 2.0.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 6:04 pm


I'll leave that between you two. I'm not going to talk about any CN era past 2006 unless it's positives about CHECK it 1.0 or 2.0.

So, that's a no on liking the Noods Era.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/25/17 at 6:13 pm


So, that's a no on liking the Noods Era.


Not that I like it. It's just that it's not my favorite era on Cartoon Network. What I meant to say is that I'll prefer having Billy and Mandy, Foster's, Camp Lazlo, Class of 3000, Ed Edd n Eddy, Robotboy, and My Gym Partner's a Monkey airing on CN more than anything else. So basically, I just think it's a decent era.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/25/17 at 6:17 pm


Not that I like it. It's just that it's not my favorite era on Cartoon Network. What I meant to say is that I'll prefer having Billy and Mandy, Foster's, Camp Lazlo, Class of 3000, Ed Edd n Eddy, Robotboy, and My Gym Partner's a Monkey airing on CN more than anything else. So basically, I just think it's a decent era.

;D No problem. I thought the Noods Era was decent (besides CN Real) but however my favorite eras of CN are definetly the Powerhouse and CN City eras. I haven't liked any single era of Cartoon Network since 2010 (after the Noods were gone and the CHECK It Era came in).

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/25/17 at 6:24 pm


;D No problem. I thought the Noods Era was decent (besides CN Real) but however my favorite eras of CN are definetly the Powerhouse and CN City eras. I haven't liked any single era of Cartoon Network since 2010 (after the Noods were gone and the CHECK It Era came in).


The Check It era was when I started to lose interest on Cartoon Network, since I thought the logo was unsatisfying to me. Aside from a few shows, it wasn't really my cup of tea.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/25/17 at 11:28 pm


I liked some of the Powerhouse era, especially 1997-2000ish. I don't care much for the 2001+ shows though starting with Samurai Jack.  :-X
This is the first statement I've seen where someone only liked the the first half of the PowerHouse era.


Impossible, there is nobody on planet earth who doesn't like Samurai Jack. FAKE NEWS.
I'll be honest with you. Back when Samurai Jack was current, I didn't actually watch it that much ;D despite that it was awesome especially with its theme song.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: 2001 on 03/26/17 at 10:33 am


This is the first statement I've seen where someone only liked the the first half of the PowerHouse era.
I'll be honest with you. Back when Samurai Jack was current, I didn't actually watch it that much ;D despite that it was awesome especially with its theme song.


I still liked CN from 2001-2003 but I just didn't like the new cartoons that were airing as much as the old ones.

Also, I think I got to watch CN cartoon that you guys didn't: The Cramp Twins! I never see it mentioned on here. It looks like it only aired in Europe. Not surprised, the oil lobby would hate it! It was one of my favourites! :D Lucien reminded me of me, and Wayne was definitely like my brother, stealing all my stuff.  :-X

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/26/17 at 10:50 am


I still liked CN from 2001-2003 but I just didn't like the new cartoons that were airing as much as the old ones.

Also, I think I got to watch CN cartoon that you guys didn't: The Cramp Twins! I never see it mentioned on here. It looks like it only aired in Europe. Not surprised, the oil lobby would hate it! It was one of my favourites! :D Lucien reminded me of me, and Wayne was definitely like my brother, stealing all my stuff.  :-X
Oh, I feel you. Yeah, some of the 2001-04 cartoons seem to have been forgotten in a sense. I mean no one talks about Time Squad, Evil Con Carne, Robot Jones etc.

No. I watched it too. I remember it coming on at certain times and days. I think it stopped being shown after 2004-05.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 03/26/17 at 11:39 am

Who does it always have to be Vs.?

I like both but if I had to choose, I prefer The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) By 2005, you could feel a crash of decline coming for the network.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/26/17 at 12:16 pm


Oh, I feel you. Yeah, some of the 2001-04 cartoons seem to have been forgotten in a sense. I mean no one talks about Time Squad, Evil Con Carne, Robot Jones etc.

No. I watched it too. I remember it coming on at certain times and days. I think it stopped being shown after 2004-05.

I agree with you on the bolded statement. I even mentioned that in an earlier post on this thread.


Who does it always have to be Vs.?

I like both
but if I had to choose, I prefer The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) By 2005, you could feel a crash of decline coming for the network.


That's why I included an answer choice for both in the poll.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/26/17 at 12:22 pm


I still liked CN from 2001-2003 but I just didn't like the new cartoons that were airing as much as the old ones.

Also, I think I got to watch CN cartoon that you guys didn't: The Cramp Twins! I never see it mentioned on here. It looks like it only aired in Europe. Not surprised, the oil lobby would hate it! It was one of my favourites! :D Lucien reminded me of me, and Wayne was definitely like my brother, stealing all my stuff.  :-X



Oh, I feel you. Yeah, some of the 2001-04 cartoons seem to have been forgotten in a sense. I mean no one talks about Time Squad, Evil Con Carne, Robot Jones etc.

No. I watched it too. I remember it coming on at certain times and days. I think it stopped being shown after 2004-05.


In terms of when the shows premiered, yes, but from 2001-2004 the Cartoon Cartoons that debuted earlier in the era were still played a lot more. Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, Ed Edd n Eddy, The Powerpuff Girls, and Courage the Cowardly Dog were still very popular played on a daily basis throughout that time (and still had new episodes too). Also, Samurai Jack, Justice League, Codename: KND, Teen Titans, and Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy were very memorable shows that debuted throughout 2001-2004. There's two separate logic's to this. You either judge an era by when the shows came out or judge an era by when the shows past & present were still being played daily (especially in primetime hours) or premiering new episodes. Also Slowpoke, didn't you have YTV or Teletoon in your country?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/26/17 at 12:28 pm


In terms of when the shows premiered, yes, but from 2001-2004 the Cartoon Cartoons that debuted earlier in the era were still played a lot more. Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, Ed Edd n Eddy, The Powerpuff Girls, and Courage the Cowardly Dog were still very popular played on a daily basis throughout that time (and still had new episodes too). Also, Samurai Jack, Justice League, Codename: KND, Teen Titans, and Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy were very memorable shows that debuted throughout 2001-2004. There's two separate logic's to this. You either judge an era by when the shows came out or judge an era by when the shows past & present were still being played daily (especially in primetime hours) or premiering new episodes. Also Slowpoke, didn't you have YTV or Teletoon in your country?

1. Nobody said that 2001-2004 didn't have memorable shows on Cartoon Network
2. It is NOT an inaccurate statement to say that there were lots of shows that aired or debuted on CN from 2000-2004 are forgotten.
3. All of those shows you mentioned in bold (except Samurai Jack) lasted until 2006-2008.
4. We can appreciate Cartoon Network for what is was from 2000-2006.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/26/17 at 12:28 pm


I'll be honest with you. Back when Samurai Jack was current, I didn't actually watch it that much ;D despite that it was awesome especially with its theme song.


Same here, it was played frequently and you saw a lot of commercials for it but it seemed like the Cartoon Cartoons were played much more. Samurai Jack aired at random times including Toonami and primetime. It's probably because I wasn't serious about watching the story arc in order as a kid like I am now with the new Samurai Jack series on .

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/26/17 at 12:30 pm


Same here, it was played frequently and you saw a lot of commercials for it but it seemed like the Cartoon Cartoons were played much more. Samurai Jack aired at random times including Toonami and primetime. It's probably because I wasn't serious about watching the story arc in order as a kid like I am now with the new Samurai Jack series on .

I watched Samurai Jack as a kid even though I forgot about it until 2012. Anyways, did you see LAST NIGHT'S episode? Holy sh*t it was AMAZING (frankly all 3 episodes so far have been).

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/26/17 at 12:39 pm


1. Nobody said that 2001-2004 didn't have memorable shows on Cartoon Network
2. It is NOT an inaccurate statement to say that there were lots of shows that aired or debuted on CN from 2000-2004 are forgotten.
3. All of those shows you mentioned in bold (except Samurai Jack) lasted until 2006-2008.


1. Slowpoke judged his opinion on the Powerhouse Era based off when the shows came out, not the actual era itself, that was my reason for the response, not because of someone's opinion on memorable shows.

2. Once again, you're missing the point. It is inaccurate to say that there were more forgotten shows that debuted from 2000-2004, because last time I checked Sheep In the Big City, Time Squad, Robot Jones and Evil Con Carne were the only forgotten ones that debuted in that time period, and guess what, those were hardly played, and that's only half of the era which means throughout all of the era there were a lot more memorable ones that debuted. What I keep trying to get you to understand is that from 2000-2004 the Cartoon Cartoons that debuted from 1996-1999 were still played the most or premiering new episodes on a regular basis more than the forgotten shows that debuted in that same time span.

3. That doesn't clarify anything. You don't have to tell me that because I already know.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/26/17 at 12:50 pm


1. Slowpoke judged his opinion on the Powerhouse Era based off when the shows came out, not the actual era itself, that was my reason for the response, not because of someone's opinion on memorable shows.

2. Once again, you're missing the point. It is inaccurate to say that there were more forgotten shows that debuted from 2000-2004, because last time I checked Sheep In the Big City, Time Squad, Robot Jones and Evil Con Carne were the only forgotten ones that debuted in that time period, and guess what, those were hardly played, and that's only half of the era which means throughout all of the era there were a lot more memorable ones that debuted. What I keep trying to get you to understand is that from 2000-2004 the Cartoon Cartoons that debuted from 1996-1999 were still played the most or premiering new episodes on a regular basis more than the forgotten shows that debuted in that same time span.

3. That doesn't clarify anything. You don't have to tell me that because I already know.

1. There were even more shows that aired during the Powerhouse Era that are forgotten.
2. I don't know it seems as if the Powerhouse Era is being held as sacred, holy and unworthy of any negative jabs (even if they aren't even "negative" per se).
3. Once again, we can all appreciate Cartoon Network from 2000-2006 and what a great impact it had on our childhoods.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: 2001 on 03/26/17 at 1:24 pm


In terms of when the shows premiered, yes, but from 2001-2004 the Cartoon Cartoons that debuted earlier in the era were still played a lot more. Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, Ed Edd n Eddy, The Powerpuff Girls, and Courage the Cowardly Dog were still very popular played on a daily basis throughout that time (and still had new episodes too). Also, Samurai Jack, Justice League, Codename: KND, Teen Titans, and Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy were very memorable shows that debuted throughout 2001-2004. There's two separate logic's to this. You either judge an era by when the shows came out or judge an era by when the shows past & present were still being played daily (especially in primetime hours) or premiering new episodes. Also Slowpoke, didn't you have YTV or Teletoon in your country?


I got to watch CN when vacationing in Europe and Asia during the summers (and the US in 1999). :)

I still liked CN from 2001-2003 for the shows that debuted in the '90s, even if I wasn't the biggest fan of what was debuting then. So, the latter: I like the Powerhouse era for the shows that were airing. ;)

From the shows you listed, I crossed out the ones I didn't care much about or I was just too old to watch..


Dexter's Laboratory (1996) = Checkerboard
Johnny Bravo (1997) = Powerhouse
Cow & Chicken (1997) = Powerhouse
The Powerpuff Girls (1998) = Powerhouse
Ed, Edd n Eddy (1999) = Powerhouse
Courage the Cowardly Dog (1999) = Powerhouse
Sheep In the Big City (2000) = Powerhouse
Time Squad (2001) = Powerhouse
Samurai Jack (2001) = Powerhouse
Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy (2001) = Powerhouse
Evil Con Carne (2001) = Powerhouse
Justice League (2001) = Powerhouse
Codename: KND (2002) = Powerhouse
Teen Titans (2003) = Powerhouse
Duck Dodgers (2003) = Powerhouse
Megas XLR (May 2004) = Powerhouse


Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends (2004) = City
Hi Hi Puffy Ami-Yumi (2004) = City
Camp Lazlo (2005) = City
Life & Times of Juniper Lee (2005) = City
My Gym Partner's A Monkey (2005) = City
Ben 10 (2005) = City
Squirrel Boy (2006) = City
Class of 3000 (2006) = City

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/26/17 at 2:09 pm


1. There were even more shows that aired during the Powerhouse Era that are forgotten.


Dexter's Laboratory (1996)
Johnny Bravo (1997)
Cow & Chicken (1997)
The Powerpuff Girls (1998)
Ed, Edd n Eddy (1999)
Courage the Cowardly Dog (1999)
Sheep In the Big City (2000)
Time Squad (2001)

Samurai Jack (2001)
Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy (2001)
Evil Con Carne (2001)
Justice League (2001)
What Ever Happened to Robot Jones (2002)
Codename: KND (2002)
Teen Titans (2003)
Duck Dodgers (2003)
Megas XLR (May 2004)

The ones in bold were the forgotten ones. It's right in your face? Still want to deny it? and that's no where near all the most memorable ones if you include the acquired reruns and anime.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/26/17 at 2:29 pm


2. I don't know it seems as if the Powerhouse Era is being held as sacred, holy and unworthy of any negative jabs (even if they aren't even "negative" per se).


Because to this day it's the only era in Cartoon Network history that had fresh new original programming mixed with the old at the same time. Most of those Cartoon Cartoons are considered as the most popular & memorable classic CN shows up to date pre-2010. The era had classic cartoons from the 30's-80's that our parents grew up with rerunning constantly. It was responsible for the most creative blocks like CCF, Primetime, Toonami, Acme Hour, etc. and it was the peak of Toonami on weekdays with all kinds of anime. It was literally a Powerhouse that's why they gave it that name. Throughout the Powerhouse Era there were a lot of cartoon events too and the channel felt like it was about the cartoons themselves that appealed to kids, teens, and adults at the same time. Plus, throughout most of the era wasn't around yet and when it was there the first couple of years it was only a few times a week for a few hours.

CN City was great too, but since CN City Cartoon Network has been putting its focus on mainly kids rather than people all ages and a lot of classic cartoons were removed at the time. CN City was great due to Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Ben 10, and a lot of shows that started late in the Powerhouse Era like Codename: KND, Teen Titans, or Billy & Mandy still being around, but at the same the majority of the shows that debuted throughout CN City were forgettable or cheesy (hard truth), and most of the Cartoon Cartoons from the previous era were rarely played anymore. CN City's blocks weren't perfect either. I liked the live-action Fridays from 2003-2005 but in 2006 it got really obnoxious. Miguzi had good action shows but it was controversial for replacing Toonami on weekdays for Saturday nights only. Tickle U preschool block was a bad idea. Then later in the Yes! branding of the City that Re-Animated movie came out which was terrible and eventually led to Out of Jimmy's Head becoming a series. Towards the very end of the era TOM 4 replaced TOM 3 which is when I quit watching Toonami. I'd take CN City any day over the later eras and today, but by no means CN City was the best era I strongly disagree with that. Throughout the Powerhouse Era Cartoon Network was like a family cartoon channel with all kinds of cartoons 24/7. During the City Era it was great for me since I was still a kid but it became a kid only channel by then and focused on its current original programming only rather than everything like before.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/26/17 at 2:53 pm


3. Once again, we can all appreciate Cartoon Network from 2000-2006 and what a great impact it had on our childhoods.


That doesn't mean it was exactly the same by 2000-2006. Between those years, it was quite changeable with its programming and blocks. However, they were frequently updating it like those shows barely existed. Especially during the City era. I never really thought mid 2000s Cartoon Network was a big influence during my childhood because I was mostly watching Nickelodeon, PBS Kids, Discovery Kids, Disney Channel, and HBO Family by late 2004-2006.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/26/17 at 2:58 pm


Dexter's Laboratory (1996)
Johnny Bravo (1997)
Cow & Chicken (1997)
The Powerpuff Girls (1998)
Ed, Edd n Eddy (1999)
Courage the Cowardly Dog (1999)
Sheep In the Big City (2000)
Time Squad (2001)

Samurai Jack (2001)
Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy (2001)
Evil Con Carne (2001)
Justice League (2001)
What Ever Happened to Robot Jones (2002)
Codename: KND (2002)
Teen Titans (2003)
Duck Dodgers (2003)
Megas XLR (May 2004)

The ones in bold were the forgotten ones. It's right in your face? Still want to deny it? and that's no where near all the most memorable ones if you include the acquired reruns and anime.

The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy did not debut in 2001 (actually 2003). What you actually meant to say is Grim & Evil (look another forgotten Powerhouse era cartoon).  What about Mike, Lu & Og? (another forgotten Powerhouse era cartoon). Also, my point is not that the Powerhouse Era wasn't great or didn't have great shows but that CN City was pretty much just as great.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 03/26/17 at 3:01 pm


Dexter's Laboratory (1996)
Johnny Bravo (1997)
Cow & Chicken (1997)
The Powerpuff Girls (1998)
Ed, Edd n Eddy (1999)
Courage the Cowardly Dog (1999)
Sheep In the Big City (2000)
Time Squad (2001)

Samurai Jack (2001)
Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy (2001)
Evil Con Carne (2001)
Justice League (2001)
What Ever Happened to Robot Jones (2002)
Codename: KND (2002)
Teen Titans (2003)
Duck Dodgers (2003)
Megas XLR (May 2004)

The ones in bold were the forgotten ones.
Definitely agree with the bold ones. Oh, and another one that's forgotten as well is Mike, Lu & Og which was very short, and aired during the first half of the PowerHouse era.


The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy did not debut in 2001 (actually 2003). What you actually meant to say is Grim & Evil (look another forgotten Powerhouse era cartoon).
Actually, Grim & Evil was split into the two shows mentioned: Grim Adventures and Evil Con Carne.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/26/17 at 3:07 pm


Because to this day it's the only era in Cartoon Network history that had fresh new original programming mixed with the old at the same time. Most of those Cartoon Cartoons are considered as the most popular & memorable classic CN shows up to date pre-2010. The era had classic cartoons from the 30's-80's that our parents grew up with rerunning constantly. It was responsible for the most creative blocks like CCF, Primetime, Toonami, Acme Hour, etc. and it was the peak of Toonami on weekdays with all kinds of anime. It was literally a Powerhouse that's why they gave it that name. Throughout the Powerhouse Era there were a lot of cartoon events too and the channel felt like it was about the cartoons themselves that appealed to kids, teens, and adults at the same time. Plus, throughout most of the era wasn't around yet and when it was there the first couple of years it was only a few times a week for a few hours.

CN City was great too, but since CN City Cartoon Network has been putting its focus on mainly kids rather than people all ages and a lot of classic cartoons were removed at the time. CN City was great due to Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Ben 10, and a lot of shows that started late in the Powerhouse Era like Codename: KND, Teen Titans, or Billy & Mandy still being around, but at the same the majority of the shows that debuted throughout CN City were forgettable or cheesy (hard truth), and most of the Cartoon Cartoons from the previous era were rarely played anymore. CN City's blocks weren't perfect either. I liked the live-action Fridays from 2003-2005 but in 2006 it got really obnoxious. Miguzi had good action shows but it was controversial for replacing Toonami on weekdays for Saturday nights only. Tickle U preschool block was a bad idea. Then later in the Yes! branding of the City that Re-Animated movie came out which was terrible and eventually led to Out of Jimmy's Head becoming a series. Towards the very end of the era TOM 4 replaced TOM 3 which is when I quit watching Toonami. I'd take CN City any day over the later eras and today, but by no means CN City was the best era I strongly disagree with that. Throughout the Powerhouse Era Cartoon Network was like a family cartoon channel with all kinds of cartoons 24/7. During the City Era it was great for me since I was still a kid but it became a kid only channel by then and focused on its current original programming only rather than everything like before.

Your first sentence is false because CN City also had that (even the Noods Era). Cartoon Network started airing more of the 1930s-1970s cartoons on Boomerang in 2000 (during the Powerhouse Era). CN City had some blocks that weren't as good to you but overral the era was still great. Also, Tickle U didn't last long and CN still aired a bunch of cartoons that could be enjoyed by kids, teens and adults alike. Also, CN became more kid oriented long before the CN City era. Anyways, both eras were great.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/26/17 at 3:09 pm


Definitely agree with the bold ones. Oh, and another one that's forgotten as well is Mike, Lu & Og which was very short, and aired during the first half of the PowerHouse era.
Actually, Grim & Evil was split into the two shows mentioned: Grim Adventures and Evil Con Carne.

Yes but however it wasn't the Grim Adventures of BILLY & MANDY, that came along in 2003. Evil Con Carne then ended in 2004. Billy and Mandy were side characters in Grim & Evil.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/26/17 at 3:26 pm


Your first sentence is false because CN City also had that (even the Noods Era). Cartoon Network started airing more of the 1930s-1970s cartoons on Boomerang in 2000 (during the Powerhouse Era). CN City had some blocks that weren't as good to you but overral the era was still great. Also, Tickle U didn't last long and CN still aired a bunch of cartoons that could be enjoyed by kids, teens and adults alike. Also, CN became more kid oriented long before the CN City era. Anyways, both eras were great.


I don't know where you're getting this information from, and no CN City and every era after that mostly played current original programming or new acquired programming at the time. The Powerhouse Era was the only era that had current original programming and old shows being played on a daily basis. The Checkerboard Era (first era) only played old cartoons all day and nothing else. CN City rarely played old shows unless it was Cartoon Cartoons on some occasions or the Top 5 block. Even though Boomerang came in 2000 there were still tons of classic cartoons from the 30's-80's airing constantly until 2004. CN became more kid oriented once the CN City era came, not anytime before then. 2003 Cartoon Network was a completely different world than 2005. 2004 was the transition.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 03/26/17 at 3:31 pm


Yes but however it wasn't the Grim Adventures of BILLY & MANDY, that came along in 2003. Evil Con Carne then ended in 2004. Billy and Mandy were side characters in Grim & Evil.


They were not side characters, it's the same exact shows, just combined into two. The same episodes of Grim & Evil from 2001 and 2002 were moved to Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy and Evil Con Carne once the shows separated in 2003. So those still premiered in 2001.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/26/17 at 4:18 pm


They were not side characters, it's the same exact shows, just combined into two. The same episodes of Grim & Evil from 2001 and 2002 were moved to Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy and Evil Con Carne once the shows separated in 2003. So those still premiered in 2001.

They were side characters compared to their own show which started in 2003.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/26/17 at 4:19 pm


I don't know where you're getting this information from, and no CN City and every era after that mostly played current original programming or new acquired programming at the time. The Powerhouse Era was the only era that had current original programming and old shows being played on a daily basis. The Checkerboard Era (first era) only played old cartoons all day and nothing else. CN City rarely played old shows unless it was Cartoon Cartoons on some occasions or the Top 5 block. Even though Boomerang came in 2000 there were still tons of classic cartoons from the 30's-80's airing constantly until 2004. CN became more kid oriented once the CN City era came, not anytime before then. 2003 Cartoon Network was a completely different world than 2005. 2004 was the transition.

Wow, OK. I see. Let's just leave it there.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/26/17 at 4:47 pm


They were side characters compared to their own show which started in 2003.


No they weren't. In fact, they both had different plots within their shows. Especially during the Grim and Evil era. Both of them did appear in the official Billy and Mandy show, but that was probably after Evil Con Carne was cancelled in 2004.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 03/26/17 at 4:55 pm


No they weren't. In fact, they both had different plots within their shows. Especially during the Grim and Evil era. Both of them did appear in the official Billy and Mandy show, but that was probably after Evil Con Carne was cancelled in 2004.

I know but the show didn't really become it's own and flourish until they split in 2003.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/01/17 at 5:00 pm

It's weird. I'm old enough to remember constant "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2004" posts on forums in the late 2000s/early 2010s. Then for a while, that seemed to have shifted to "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2007" (a YouTube used named "FutureGohanSSJ2" made a video espousing this opinion around 2012, and many people agreed which perhaps led to this shift in opinion). And I've even began to see "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2010" ones recently.

I guess it depends on what era you grew up in and what you've got nostalgia for.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/01/17 at 5:07 pm


It's weird. I'm old enough to remember constant "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2004" posts on forums in the late 2000s/early 2010s. Then for a while, that seemed to have shifted to "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2007" (a YouTube used named "FutureGohanSSJ2" made a video espousing this opinion around 2012, and many people agreed which perhaps led to this shift in opinion). And I've even began to see "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2010" ones recently.

I guess it depends on what era you grew up in and what you've got nostalgia for.

Wow, same here. I remember all those "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2004" posts and I was totally upset that people were saying that Cartoon Network sucked when the Powerhouse Era ended. I also know of "FutureGohanSSJ2" and that video you're talking about. I personally think Cartoon Network died in 2009 with CN Real.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/01/17 at 5:11 pm


It's weird. I'm old enough to remember constant "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2004" posts on forums in the late 2000s/early 2010s. Then for a while, that seemed to have shifted to "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2007" (a YouTube used named "FutureGohanSSJ2" made a video espousing this opinion around 2012, and many people agreed which perhaps led to this shift in opinion). And I've even began to see "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2010" ones recently.

I guess it depends on what era you grew up in and what you've got nostalgia for.


I suppose it might happened because Cartoon Network was very shaky by the mid-late 2000s/early 2010s. It was already in shambles by the time Teen Titans Go premiered. Everyone who grew up with the original show hated it so much, that they wanted it cancelled immediately. As a person who never grew up with the original Teen Titans, I never really cared about TTG in general. Hell, I never considered myself a big fan of Cartoon Network. I was more into Boomerang when I was a child, and I loved watching old Hanna-Barbara cartoons.


Wow, same here. I remember all those "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2004" posts and I was totally upset that people were saying that Cartoon Network sucked when the Powerhouse Era ended. I also know of "FutureGohanSSJ2" and that video you're talking about. I personally think Cartoon Network died in 2009 with CN Real.


I think Cartoon Network started to feel ill when they had CN Real, and they died when they had their Check-It logo in 2010. I was heartbroken that they've done this at the time, and it really pissed me off. But I never really watched Cartoon Network after early 2009, so I think I quit on myself for it.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/01/17 at 5:15 pm


I suppose it might happened because Cartoon Network was very shaky by the mid-late 2000s/early 2010s. It was already in shambles by the time Teen Titans Go premiered. Everyone who grew up with the original show hated it so much, that they wanted it cancelled immediately. As a person who never grew up with the original Teen Titans, I never really cared about TTG in general. Hell, I never considered myself a big fan of Cartoon Network. I was more into Boomerang when I was a child, and I loved watching old Hanna-Barbara cartoons.

I think Cartoon Network started to feel ill when they had CN Real, and they died when they had their Check-It logo in 2010. I was heartbroken that they've done this at the time, and it really pissed me off. But I never really watched Cartoon Network after early 2009, so I think I quit on myself for it.

Personally, I'm a big fan of the original Teen Titans (as you can probably see) and Teen Titans Go! upsets me beyond believe but I try not to think about it too much. Sometimes, I even forget that TTG exists. 2009 was when CN stabbed itself in the heart and 2010 is when they finally bled out and died with the re brand to Check-It.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/01/17 at 5:24 pm


Personally, I'm a big fan of the original Teen Titans (as you can probably see) and Teen Titans Go! upsets me beyond believe but I try not to think about it too much. Sometimes, I even forget that TTG exists. 2009 was when CN stabbed itself in the heart and 2010 is when they finally bled out and died with the re brand to Check-It.


To me, even though Cartoon Network was still shaky during my childhood, I still loved watching their shows. By 2006-2008, I would probably watch their stuff every day. It also had a lot of good shows (in my opinion) compared to the Check-It era.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/01/17 at 5:25 pm


To me, even though Cartoon Network was still shaky during my childhood, I still loved watching their shows. By 2006-2008, I would probably watch their stuff every day. It also had a lot of good shows (in my opinion) compared to the Check-It era.

That's the TRUTH.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/01/17 at 5:26 pm

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Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/01/17 at 6:08 pm


That's the TRUTH.


It definitely is. I'm really sick and tired of people saying that the Check It era was a renaissance to CN, when it never had a lot of good shows airing. It's also copying off Nickelodeon when they spammed Spongebob episodes 24/7 with Teen Titans Go reruns, so that alone doesn't make Cartoon Network look good in my opinion.


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Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/01/17 at 6:14 pm


It definitely is. I'm really sick and tired of people saying that the Check It era was a renaissance to CN, when it never had a lot of good shows airing. It's also copying off Nickelodeon when they spammed Spongebob episodes 24/7 with Teen Titans Go reruns, so that alone doesn't make Cartoon Network look good in my opinion.

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Now people could finally watch Boomerang for its actual purpose.

I agree with everything you just posted.  :)

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/02/17 at 9:55 am

I just came to say, I don't like Young Justice anymore. I'm realizing how cheesy the show is and the animation is somewhat choppy. Teen Titans is the Goat. Better writing, interesting characters and fluid animation.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/02/17 at 6:01 pm


I just came to say, I don't like Young Justice anymore. I'm realizing how cheesy the show is and the animation is somewhat choppy. Teen Titans is the Goat. Better writing, interesting characters and fluid animation.


No Koopa Troopa, Young Justice has better animation, better plot/character development, and it's a lot more mature than Teen Titans. There's a reason why it's coming back on Netflix for a 3rd season. The original Teen Titans was great and had its dark moments but it was more kiddy for sure.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/02/17 at 6:21 pm


No Koopa Troopa, Young Justice has better animation, better plot/character development, and it's a lot more mature than Teen Titans. There's a reason why it's coming back on Netflix for a 3rd season. The original Teen Titans was great and had its dark moments but it was more kiddy for sure.

I'm a fan of both Young Justice and Teen Titans. However, as you can probably tell...I favor Teen Titans slightly more than YJ. Also, Teen Titans had silly moments but that was mostly Season 1 and the humor completed the show. Also, Teen Titans was VERY mature and had lots of deep and dark episodes. Anyways, I've heard that there not sure if Season 3 of YJ will be on Netflix. Although, I have to admit that at points Young Justice did seem a bit confusing and "disjointed" if you know what I mean.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/02/17 at 6:24 pm


I'm a fan of both Young Justice and Teen Titans. However, as you can probably tell...I favor Teen Titans slightly more than YJ. Also, Teen Titans had silly moments but that was mostly Season 1 and the humor completed the show. Also, Teen Titans was VERY mature and had lots of deep and dark episodes. Anyways, I've heard that there not sure if Season 3 of YJ will be on Netflix. Although, I have to admit that at points Young Justice did seem a bit confusing and "disjointed" if you know what I mean.


As someone who kinda has a better experience with Teen Titans, I don't really think it's as mature as any other superhero show. It was usually childish at best, even though it had some dark and gritty episodes (e.g. the Slade ones). But as a person who barely watched the original Teen Titans, that doesn't really mean it goes as great with Young Justice. :/ Plus, Cartoon Network takes the reboot as a cashcow, since it's the only show that keeps adding to its revenue (sadly).

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/02/17 at 6:35 pm


I'm a fan of both Young Justice and Teen Titans. However, as you can probably tell...I favor Teen Titans slightly more than YJ. Also, Teen Titans had silly moments but that was mostly Season 1 and the humor completed the show. Also, Teen Titans was VERY mature and had lots of deep and dark episodes. Anyways, I've heard that there not sure if Season 3 of YJ will be on Netflix. Although, I have to admit that at points Young Justice did seem a bit confusing and "disjointed" if you know what I mean.


Teen Titans was one of the only Cartoon Network series from my childhood I binge-watched all the way from the premiere to the series finale (including the movie). I loved it as a kid with new episodes always premiering Saturday nights, but once I got hooked into Young Justice I realized how much more interesting that series was. Young Justice like Teen Titans goes deep into all the characters, but I feel like Young Justice's plot development was much better. I'm not saying Teen Titans wasn't mature and dark, it certainly was but Young Justice had a higher level of darkness and maturity going on throughout the series. I understand it's hard to favor a modern series over a classic series that you grew up with as a child, but at the end of the day I have to take my nostalgia googles off and break everything down into pieces. I thought Young Justice was a higher quality series overall with more interesting characters & backgrounds.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/02/17 at 6:42 pm


Teen Titans was one of the only Cartoon Network series from my childhood I binge-watched all the way from the premiere to the series finale (including the movie). I loved it as a kid with new episodes always premiering Saturday nights, but once I got hooked into Young Justice I realized how much more interesting that series was. Young Justice like Teen Titans goes deep into all the characters, but I feel like Young Justice's plot development was much better. I'm not saying Teen Titans wasn't mature and dark, it certainly was but Young Justice had a higher level of darkness and maturity going on throughout the series. I understand it's hard to favor a modern series over a classic series that you grew up with as a child, but at the end of the day I have to take my nostalgia googles off and break everything down into pieces. I thought Young Justice was a higher quality series overall with more interesting characters & backgrounds.

I'm not disagreeing with you, in fact....I'm mostly AGREEING with you. However, I still prefer Teen Titans slightly better than YJ (I still like both) and like I said at times YJ does seem a bit confusing and disjointed.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/03/17 at 3:47 am

One show I liked from the CN City era was Juniper Lee. I don't understand why people gave it so much grief.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/03/17 at 6:33 am


One show I liked from the CN City era was Juniper Lee. I don't understand why people gave it so much grief.


From what I can tell, it's pretty underrated for its time.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/03/17 at 7:37 am


One show I liked from the CN City era was Juniper Lee. I don't understand why people gave it so much grief.


From what I can tell, it's pretty underrated for its time.

Both of you are absolutely correct.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/03/17 at 8:36 am


No Koopa Troopa, Young Justice has better animation, better plot/character development, and it's a lot more mature than Teen Titans. There's a reason why it's coming back on Netflix for a 3rd season. The original Teen Titans was great and had its dark moments but it was more kiddy for sure.


That's what I like about it. Teen Titans is the Tiny Toons of DC. That's the gimmick I get from Young Justice. Basically, their always "serious" and had to prove them selves to that adults. I also dislike how their bringing characters from Teen Titans into Young Justice that alters their original personality. They should have nothing to do with each other. Especially with how the show has countless robins from what I recall. Teen Titans has that quirky be yourself charm to it.

As for Young Justice having better animation and writing, we have our own tastes in creativity.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/03/17 at 11:22 am


That's what I like about it. Teen Titans is the Tiny Toons of DC. That's the gimmick I get from Young Justice. Basically, their always "serious" and had to prove them selves to that adults. I also dislike how their bringing characters from Teen Titans into Young Justice that alters their original personality. They should have nothing to do with each other. Especially with how the show has countless robins from what I recall. Teen Titans has that quirky be yourself charm to it.

As for Young Justice having better animation and writing, we have our own tastes in creativity.


If you're making this comparison then Justice League/Unlimited would be the Looney Tunes of DC.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/03/17 at 5:07 pm


If you're making this comparison then Justice League/Unlimited would be the Looney Tunes of DC.


But the Justice League act nothing like the Looney Tunes though. I'm really going into debt. The Teen Titans are actually similar to the Tiny Toons in personality. Buster could easily be Robin. Cyborg is similar to Dizzy Devil in a sense with his noticeably heavy eating habits. Beast Boy is similar to Plucky Duck. Starfire and Babs are both innocent but can be monstrous and Raven is like Sweetie Bird when you think about it.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/03/17 at 5:13 pm


But the Justice League act nothing like the Looney Tunes though. I'm really going into debt. The Teen Titans are actually similar to the Tiny Toons in personality. Buster could easily be Robin. Cyborg is similar to Dizzy Devil in a sense with his noticeably heavy eating habits. Beast Boy is similar to Plucky Duck. Starfire and Babs are both innocent but can be monstrous and Raven is like Sweetie Bird when you think about it.

Teen Titans is definitely more serious than Tiny Toon Adventures. Teen Titans is more akin to the Transformers cartoon from the 1980s.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/03/17 at 5:21 pm


Teen Titans is definitely more serious than Tiny Toon Adventures. Teen Titans is more akin to the Transformers cartoon from the 1980s.


Look at the show's funny moments, mission mess ups. They aren't purely similar but similar enough. The Teen Titans are cartoony like in filler.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/03/17 at 5:26 pm


Look at the show's funny moments, mission mess ups. They aren't purely similar but similar enough. The Teen Titans are cartoony like in filler.

Once again, Teen Titans is much more similar akin to Transformers G1 than Tiny Toon Adventures. I get what you're saying but still Cow & Chicken is much more similar to Tiny Toon Adventures than Teen Titans.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/03/17 at 5:28 pm


One show I liked from the CN City era was Juniper Lee. I don't understand why people gave it so much grief.
Yeah, I agree. It was a good show, but it seems that it lasted for a year or so. I don't remember seeing it again in 2006.


It definitely is. I'm really sick and tired of people saying that the Check It era was a renaissance to CN, when it never had a lot of good shows airing. It's also copying off Nickelodeon when they spammed Spongebob episodes 24/7 with Teen Titans Go reruns, so that alone doesn't make Cartoon Network look good in my opinion.
Agreed very much. The CN renaissance was truly the early 10s, but even that era had a lot of terrible forgotten shows. Annoying Orange, Secret Fort, Hole in the Wall, Tower Prep, etc. HELL NO!! That's not a renaissance. Hopefully, CN has real renaissance soon. It's time for them to make a comeback.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/03/17 at 5:30 pm


BTW, guys......watch this:
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Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/03/17 at 5:37 pm


Yeah, I agree. It was a good show, but it seems that it lasted for a year or so. I don't remember seeing it again in 2006.
Agreed very much. The CN renaissance was truly the early 10s, but even that era had a lot of terrible forgotten shows. Annoying Orange, Secret Fort, Hole in the Wall, Tower Prep, etc. HELL NO!! That's not a renaissance. Hopefully, CN has real renaissance soon. It's time for them to make a comeback.

Juniper Lee ended almost exactly 10 years ago (April 9, 2007).

I agree with all of your points on the "CN Renaissance".

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/03/17 at 5:44 pm

I wonder what happened to Juniper Lee though. All I remember is the show instantly disappearing.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/03/17 at 5:47 pm


I wonder what happened to Juniper Lee though. All I remember is the show instantly disappearing.

Yeah, I agree. Juniper Lee came and went so fast just like Class of 3000.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/03/17 at 6:11 pm


Look at the show's funny moments, mission mess ups. They aren't purely similar but similar enough. The Teen Titans are cartoony like in filler.


Except Tiny Toons is extremely childish, while Teen Titans alone has some kickass scenes.


Agreed very much. The CN renaissance was truly the early 10s, but even that era had a lot of terrible forgotten shows. Annoying Orange, Secret Fort, Hole in the Wall, Tower Prep, etc. HELL NO!! That's not a renaissance. Hopefully, CN has real renaissance soon. It's time for them to make a comeback.


The CN renaissance was just a good era, but shouldn't really be considered a "renaissance". A renaissance is when something that was once good revives itself with great arts, entertainment, skills, etc. 2010s Cartoon Network on the other hand was just decent at best, but it wasn't as good as the Powerhouse, City, or even Yes eras. All of those shows you mentioned were the reason why Cartoon Network wasn't that great during the early 2010s. Hell, it even had more live-action shows airing than late 2000s Cartoon Network.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/03/17 at 7:34 pm

The CN renaissance was 2010-2013 known as the CHECK it 1.0 and 2.0 eras. Despite a couple bad live-action shows being around and a few bad cartoons (which almost every era of CN had), this era arguably had the best lineups in years for its time that could compete with the good CN eras. The original shows at the time were high quality too. That's when Adventure Time and Regular Show were the most popular shows on the channel bringing CN back from its dark ages. The channel had many good action shows like Young Justice, ThunderCats (2011), Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc, Sym-Bonic Titan, and Generator Rex. You still had Star Wars: The Clone Wars airing at times. Cartoon Network had this hour long Cartoon Planet block throughout 2012-13 which featured random shorts of classic shows. Shows like the Looney Tunes Show and MAD (hilarious parodies) were underrated, which I never understood the hate for. The biggest factor of this era is that it was before Teen Titans Go! came into existence, and once TTGO! premiered it got high ratings by kids and since it's a cheaper show to produce with cheaper toy line sales, it's been played over and over again on the schedule for almost 4 years now. Since then there hasn't been any serious action shows on the air, and Adventure Time & Regular Show have rarely been played while one of them is ended now. I think 2013 was the last full year Adventure Time & Regular Show peaked, since 2014 the shows have been past its prime. There may no longer be live-action shows on CN, but CHECK it 3.0, 4.0, and Dimensional have absolutely been horrible with its variety, scheduling and advertisements. Over the last few years Adult Swim in 10 hours literally has over twice the amount of shows that CN is airing in 14 hours right now.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/03/17 at 7:38 pm


I wonder what happened to Juniper Lee though. All I remember is the show instantly disappearing.


Life & Times of Juniper Lee was mediocre at best. I just couldn't get into it because it was a cheap version or rip off to American Dragon Jake Long from Disney which was a lot more original and creative. The only shows I cared about that debuted throughout CN City were Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Ben 10. Although Camp Lazlo was pretty good too. Camp Lazlo almost had a 90's cartoon vibe for a 2000's cartoon with the types of characters and the camp setting.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: 2001 on 04/03/17 at 7:43 pm


The CN renaissance was 2010-2013 known as the CHECK it 1.0 and 2.0 eras. Despite a couple bad live-action shows being around and a few bad cartoons (which almost every era of CN had), this era arguably had the best lineups in years for its time that could compete with the good CN eras. The original shows at the time were high quality too. That's when Adventure Time and Regular Show were the most popular shows on the channel bringing CN back from its dark ages. The channel had many good action shows like Young Justice, ThunderCats (2011), Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc, Sym-Bonic Titan, and Generator Rex. You still had Star Wars: The Clone Wars airing at times. Cartoon Network had this hour long Cartoon Planet block throughout 2012-13 which featured random shorts of classic shows. Shows like the Looney Tunes Show and MAD (hilarious parodies) were underrated, which I never understood the hate for. The biggest factor of this era is that it was before Teen Titans Go! came into existence, and once TTGO! premiered it got high ratings by kids and since it's a cheaper show to produce with cheaper toy line sales, it's been played over and over again on the schedule for almost 4 years now. Since then there hasn't been any serious action shows on the air, and Adventure Time & Regular Show have rarely been played while one of them is ended now. I think 2013 was the last full year Adventure Time & Regular Show peaked, since 2014 the shows have been past its prime. There may no longer be live-action shows on CN, but CHECK it 3.0, 4.0, and Dimensional have absolutely been horrible with its variety, scheduling and advertisements. Over the last few years Adult Swim in 10 hours literally has over twice the amount of shows that CN is airing in 14 hours right now.


Yeah, I also enjoyed most the cartoons on modern Cartoon Network. I think some of the programs have since ended though, so the "renaissance" is over.  :-\\

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/03/17 at 7:53 pm


Camp Lazlo almost had a 90's cartoon vibe for a 2000's cartoon with the types of characters and the camp setting.

Another 2000s cartoon that I think had almost a 90s  vibe was Dave the Barbarian. Unlike other cartoons around the mid-2000s which tended to be faux-anime cartoons or teen drama cartoons, this one had Cow & Chicken/Ren & Stimpy-type quirky humor, mixed in with Monty Python humor.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/03/17 at 7:55 pm


The CN renaissance was 2010-2013 known as the CHECK it 1.0 and 2.0 eras. Despite a couple bad live-action shows being around and a few bad cartoons (which almost every era of CN had), this era arguably had the best lineups in years for its time that could compete with the good CN eras. The original shows at the time were high quality too. That's when Adventure Time and Regular Show were the most popular shows on the channel bringing CN back from its dark ages. The channel had many good action shows like Young Justice, ThunderCats (2011), Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc, Sym-Bonic Titan, and Generator Rex. You still had Star Wars: The Clone Wars airing at times. Cartoon Network had this hour long Cartoon Planet block throughout 2012-13 which featured random shorts of classic shows. Shows like the Looney Tunes Show and MAD (hilarious parodies) were underrated, which I never understood the hate for. The biggest factor of this era is that it was before Teen Titans Go! came into existence, and once TTGO! premiered it got high ratings by kids and since it's a cheaper show to produce with cheaper toy line sales, it's been played over and over again on the schedule for almost 4 years now. Since then there hasn't been any serious action shows on the air, and Adventure Time & Regular Show have rarely been played while one of them is ended now. I think 2013 was the last full year Adventure Time & Regular Show peaked, since 2014 the shows have been past its prime. There may no longer be live-action shows on CN, but CHECK it 3.0, 4.0, and Dimensional have absolutely been horrible with its variety, scheduling and advertisements. Over the last few years Adult Swim in 10 hours literally has over twice the amount of shows that CN is airing in 14 hours right now.


Sure, the CN renaissance wasn't that great, but I wouldn't really think it was extremely bad compared to today's Cartoon Network. I would rather go with watching Mad, early Adventure Time and Regular Show than see countless TTG reruns over and over again.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/03/17 at 7:56 pm


Another 2000s cartoon that I think had almost a 90s  vibe was Dave the Barbarian. Unlike other cartoons around the mid-2000s which tended to be faux-anime cartoons or teen drama cartoons, this one had Cow & Chicken/Ren & Stimpy-type quirky humor, mixed in with Monty Python humor.


I loved Dave the Barbarian, in fact I think my mom banned me from the show because she thought it was inappropriate for its time but I still sneaked and watched almost all the episodes throughout 2004 in my dad's office. Unfortunately it only lasted for one season on Disney Channel then it was moved to Toon Disney for reruns. Dave the Barbarian and Megas XLR were the great two from 2004 that only lasted a season  :-\\

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/03/17 at 7:57 pm


Another 2000s cartoon that I think had almost a 90s  vibe was Dave the Barbarian. Unlike other cartoons around the mid-2000s which tended to be faux-anime cartoons or teen drama cartoons, this one had Cow & Chicken/Ren & Stimpy-type quirky humor, mixed in with Monty Python humor.


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Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/03/17 at 8:06 pm


http://i.imgur.com/PijcGEU.gif

Search your heart, you know it to be true.

Though I still enjoyed the mid 2000s, it seems most animators at the time started to get away from the quirky humor of the 90s/early 2000s and moved into more bland teen drama-type cartoons that felt more like live-action sitcoms than cartoons.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/03/17 at 8:08 pm


Search your heart, you know it to be true.

Though I still enjoyed the mid 2000s, it seems most animators at the time started to get away from the quirky humor of the 90s/early 2000s and moved into more bland teen drama-type cartoons that felt more like live-action sitcoms than cartoons.


I mostly did that as a joke, since you and Looney Toon did it towards 6th generation gaming.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/04/17 at 4:36 pm


The CN renaissance was 2010-2013 known as the CHECK it 1.0 and 2.0 eras. Despite a couple bad live-action shows being around and a few bad cartoons (which almost every era of CN had), this era arguably had the best lineups in years for its time that could compete with the good CN eras. The original shows at the time were high quality too. That's when Adventure Time and Regular Show were the most popular shows on the channel bringing CN back from its dark ages. The channel had many good action shows like Young Justice, ThunderCats (2011), Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc, Sym-Bonic Titan, and Generator Rex. You still had Star Wars: The Clone Wars airing at times. Cartoon Network had this hour long Cartoon Planet block throughout 2012-13 which featured random shorts of classic shows. Shows like the Looney Tunes Show and MAD (hilarious parodies) were underrated, which I never understood the hate for. The biggest factor of this era is that it was before Teen Titans Go! came into existence, and once TTGO! premiered it got high ratings by kids and since it's a cheaper show to produce with cheaper toy line sales, it's been played over and over again on the schedule for almost 4 years now. Since then there hasn't been any serious action shows on the air, and Adventure Time & Regular Show have rarely been played while one of them is ended now. I think 2013 was the last full year Adventure Time & Regular Show peaked, since 2014 the shows have been past its prime. There may no longer be live-action shows on CN, but CHECK it 3.0, 4.0, and Dimensional have absolutely been horrible with its variety, scheduling and advertisements. Over the last few years Adult Swim in 10 hours literally has over twice the amount of shows that CN is airing in 14 hours right now.



The CN renaissance was just a good era, but shouldn't really be considered a "renaissance". A renaissance is when something that was once good revives itself with great arts, entertainment, skills, etc. 2010s Cartoon Network on the other hand was just decent at best, but it wasn't as good as the Powerhouse, City, or even Yes eras. All of those shows you mentioned were the reason why Cartoon Network wasn't that great during the early 2010s. Hell, it even had more live-action shows airing than late 2000s Cartoon Network.
Yeah, it was awesome. While the era had some terrible shows, it definitely had great ones. Others not mentioned are Gumball, and later seasons of Total Drama . I have to say that Gumball is good, but I haven't seen it in a while. As for Total Drama, it was decent up until they had the sequel in 2015.


Juniper Lee ended almost exactly 10 years ago (April 9, 2007).

I agree with all of your points on the "CN Renaissance".
Well, I was close though; however, it does seem it was less shown after 2005.


Yeah, I agree. Juniper Lee came and went so fast just like Class of 3000.
I know. Those two shows didn't even last 3 years, and the latter was one of my faves. I even enjoyed it.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/04/17 at 4:37 pm

My favorite years for CN were definitely 2000-2003 growing up. 2004-2006 were good too but they felt a little...dry compared to the early 2000s? I guess dry is the right word.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/04/17 at 4:41 pm


Yeah, it was awesome. While the era had some terrible shows, it definitely had great ones. Others not mentioned are Gumball, and later seasons of Total Drama . I have to say that Gumball is good, but I haven't seen it in a while. As for Total Drama, it was decent up until they had the sequel in 2015.


Cartoon Network was decent for me until about 2013, since I wasn't really excited for the network back then. I only watch it for new Samurai Jack episodes on Toonami.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/04/17 at 4:45 pm


My favorite years for CN were definitely 2000-2003 growing up. 2004-2006 were good too but they felt a little...dry compared to the early 2000s? I guess dry is the right word.


Everything from the mid-late 2000s with Cartoon Network was really shaky, as I would say it. They were all over the place with its programming, which is why I didn't get excited from most stuff on Cartoon Network as a kid. Even to this day, I don't know why people could get upset over Cartoon Network rebranding from 2004-2010, when the network was going through some tough times. I could admit that Nickelodeon (my favorite childhood channel) was a bit shaky during 2008-2009, but they still aired most of their classic cartoons with Nicktoons Network at the time.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/04/17 at 4:47 pm


Cartoon Network was decent for me until about 2013, since I wasn't really excited for the network back then. I only watch it for new Samurai Jack episodes on Toonami.
Same here. I actually haven't tuned in for CN regarding everything since 2011 aside from some shows. As for AS/Toonami, I haven't watched those blocks either for sometime. I need to get to back to that.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/04/17 at 4:52 pm


Same here. I actually haven't tuned in for CN regarding everything since 2011 aside from some shows. As for AS/Toonami, I haven't watched those blocks either for sometime. I need to get to back to that.


I haven't really cared for Toonami until the new season of Samurai Jack came. This had me interested because it had Jack injured with blood, which later intrigued me into watching the show. Also, the first three episodes were the best thing that came out of CN since Chowder premiered (to me at least).

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/04/17 at 4:53 pm


Yeah, it was awesome. While the era had some terrible shows, it definitely had great ones. Others not mentioned are Gumball, and later seasons of Total Drama . I have to say that Gumball is good, but I haven't seen it in a while. As for Total Drama, it was decent up until they had the sequel in 2015.
Well, I was close though; however, it does seem it was less shown after 2005.
I know. Those two shows didn't even last 3 years, and the latter was one of my faves. I even enjoyed it.

Yeah, Class of 3000 was short lived but still very fun. BTW, I want to ask you what year you were born and your age currently.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/04/17 at 4:56 pm


Same here. I actually haven't tuned in for CN regarding everything since 2011 aside from some shows. As for AS/Toonami, I haven't watched those blocks either for sometime. I need to get to back to that.

I have barely watched Cartoon Network since 2011 as well. I am watching Samurai Jack on Adult Swim/Toonami but before Samurai Jack I hardly watched the revived Toonami  :P.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/04/17 at 4:57 pm

For me personally, I loved Cartoon Network from mid 2002 until early 2008.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/04/17 at 4:58 pm


Yeah, Class of 3000 was short lived but still very fun. BTW, I want to ask you what year you were born and your age currently.


Class of 3000 was one of my favorite underrated shows growing up. I loved the purpose of the show and it always intrigued me. Too bad it ended around 2008, when the show was really peaking to most people. I think I was into the show around late 2006/early 2007, where the show was just debuting on CN.


For me personally, I loved Cartoon Network from mid 2002 until early 2008.


Personally, my favorite years for CN was 2006-2008.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/04/17 at 5:01 pm


Class of 3000 was one of my favorite underrated shows growing up. I loved the purpose of the show and it always intrigued me. Too bad it ended around 2008, when the show was really peaking to most people. I think I was into the show around late 2006/early 2007, where the show was just debuting on CN.

Personally, my favorite years for CN was 2006-2008.

Sounds great 👍.

It sucks that Class of 3000 ended because it got sued  :\'(.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/04/17 at 6:21 pm


Yeah, it was awesome. While the era had some terrible shows, it definitely had great ones. Others not mentioned are Gumball, and later seasons of Total Drama . I have to say that Gumball is good, but I haven't seen it in a while. As for Total Drama, it was decent up until they had the sequel in 2015.


Almost all CN eras had terrible shows as much as people don't won't to admit it. That includes the Powerhouse & City eras too but since the Powerhouse era was overshadowed by so many great shows they weren't as noticeable as the bad shows throughout the Yes, Fall, Noods, and CHECK it eras.

I only liked the first 3 seasons of Total Drama (Island, Action, World Tour) but Island was my favorite without a doubt. The hour long season finale of Action was pretty interesting. The show fell off hard once Revenge of the Island premiered.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/04/17 at 6:50 pm


Almost all CN eras had terrible shows as much as people don't won't to admit it. That includes the Powerhouse & City eras too but since the Powerhouse era was overshadowed by so many great shows they weren't as noticeable as the bad shows throughout the Yes, Fall, Noods, and CHECK it eras.

I only liked the first 3 seasons of Total Drama (Island, Action, World Tour) but Island was my favorite without a doubt. The hour long season finale of Action was pretty interesting. The show fell off hard once Revenge of the Island premiered.

For me, I only liked Total Drama Island but Action was tolerable.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: YuYuYuuki on 04/04/17 at 8:04 pm

Powerhouse

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/05/17 at 5:50 am


For me, I only liked Total Drama Island but Action was tolerable.


The first two seasons of TDI were the best to me. After that, I vaguely watched TDI.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/05/17 at 9:44 pm

Total Drama Island was only good with the original cast. That show was the lit. Haha So well written. You'd think the characters were based off of real people.

Hilarious how the eliminated characters were sent to the luxurious while the winners were constantly in hell on earth. Eventually the show wasn't the same.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/06/17 at 7:08 pm


Total Drama Island was only good with the original cast. That show was the lit. Haha So well written. You'd think the characters were based off of real people.

Hilarious how the eliminated characters were sent to the luxurious while the winners were constantly in hell on earth. Eventually the show wasn't the same.


LMAO!! XD

I remember that episode where Chris (the host of TDI) focused on the losers from the show, and they were actually getting better hospitality than the regular contestants.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/12/17 at 10:16 pm

I wish The Secret Saturdays was made in the City era instead of the Noods era, then maybe more people would've given it a chance. It was one of CN's most underrated shows, to me. Great animation, great characters, great sense of adventure and action.

Mops the floor with some of the City-era stuff like Camp Lazlo(not necessarily a bad show, just meh) and My Gym Partner's a Monkey.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/12/17 at 10:17 pm


I wish The Secret Saturdays was made in the City era instead of the Noods era, then maybe more people would've given it a chance. It was one of CN's most underrated shows, to me.

I agree it is a criminally underrated show.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/12/17 at 10:21 pm

I also wish Johnny Bravo got a few more seasons in the City era.

Just imagine the hypothetical mid-2000s episodes that could've been in season 5 or 6 of Johnny Bravo, like Johnny Bravo Meets Megan Fox or Johnny Bravo Meets Evanescence. ;D

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/12/17 at 10:22 pm


I also wish Johnny Bravo got a few more seasons in the City era.

Just imagine the hypothetical mid-2000s episodes that could've been in season 5 or 6 of Johnny Bravo, like Johnny Bravo Meets Megan Fox or Johnny Bravo Meets Evanescence. ;D

That would've been fantastic and hilarious ;D.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/12/17 at 10:23 pm

Samurai Jack and Megas XLR were also intended by the creators to have more seasons in the City era, but CN foolishly KILLED THEM in favor of, imo, the aforementioned meh shows like My Gym Partner's a Monkey.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/12/17 at 10:27 pm


Samurai Jack and Megas XLR were also intended by the creators to have more seasons in the City era, but CN foolishly KILLED THEM in favor of, imo, the aforementioned meh shows like My Gym Partner's a Monkey.

I thought that My Gym Partner's a Monkey was decent but definitely not close to being on par with Samurai Jack and Megas XLR.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/12/17 at 10:35 pm

Even though there were still some good cartoons around 2004-2009, if you look at the behind-the-scenes information, it seems all the networks were shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly during those years, to the point where they got infections and fungus.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 8:15 am


I also wish Johnny Bravo got a few more seasons in the City era.

Just imagine the hypothetical mid-2000s episodes that could've been in season 5 or 6 of Johnny Bravo, like Johnny Bravo Meets Megan Fox or Johnny Bravo Meets Evanescence. ;D


If that was an actual episode of Johnny Bravo, then I would've laughed my ass off if it was full of Amy Lee references and lyrics from the band's songs.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/13/17 at 11:29 am


I wish The Secret Saturdays was made in the City era instead of the Noods era, then maybe more people would've given it a chance. It was one of CN's most underrated shows, to me. Great animation, great characters, great sense of adventure and action.


The Secret Saturdays isn't as underrated as Megas XLR though. When you look at the episode length of Secret Saturdays, it wasn't near as neglected.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 11:32 am


The Secret Saturdays isn't as underrated as Megas XLR though. When you look at the episode length of Secret Saturdays, it wasn't near as neglected.

True but more people remember Megas XLR than The Secret Saturdays.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/13/17 at 11:37 am


The Secret Saturdays isn't as underrated as Megas XLR though. When you look at the episode length of Secret Saturdays, it wasn't near as neglected.


Megas XLR lasted for less than a year and it got harder to catch it towards the end of its underrated run. The Secret Saturdays had 2 seasons from late 2008-2010.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/13/17 at 11:40 am


Samurai Jack and Megas XLR were also intended by the creators to have more seasons in the City era, but CN foolishly KILLED THEM in favor of, imo, the aforementioned meh shows like My Gym Partner's a Monkey.


If you didn't already know, this is my list for worst CN shows of all time.

10. Pet Alien
9. George of the Jungle (2007)
8. Chop Socky Chooks
7. Almost Naked Animals
6. Level Up/The Incredible Crew
5. Squirrel Boy
4. Teen Titans Go!
3. The Problem Solverz
2. Out of Jimmy's Head
1. The High Fructose Adventures of Annoying Orange

Johnny Test, My Gym Partner's a Monkey, The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, Life & Times of Juniper Lee, Secret Mountain Fort Awesome, and What Ever Happened to Robot Jones are big dishonorable mentions.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 11:41 am


Megas XLR lasted for less than a year and it got harder to catch it towards the end of its underrated run. The Secret Saturdays had 2 seasons from late 2008-2010.

Megas XLR actually lasted for shorter than a year...only for 8 months and 14 days (May 1, 2004 - January 15, 2005).

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/13/17 at 11:43 am


Megas XLR lasted for less than a year and it got harder to catch it towards the end of its underrated run. The Secret Saturdays had 2 seasons from late 2008-2010.


Megas XLR has a lot going for it though. Just watching the only episode would give you that same feeling when you watched it for the first time. When you watch The Secret Saturdays, the shows screams forgettable.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/13/17 at 11:43 am


Megas XLR actually lasted for shorter than a year...only for 8 months and 14 days (May 1, 2004 - January 15, 2005).


That's what I stated "less than a year." Thanks for the exact time span....

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 11:46 am


That's what I stated "less than a year." Thanks for the exact time span....

Ooops, I misread your comment, lol :P. Oh and you're welcome.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/13/17 at 11:48 am


Megas XLR has a lot going for it though. Just watching the only episode would give you that same feeling when you watched it for the first time. When you watch The Secret Saturdays, the shows screams forgettable.


I didn't care for most shows throughout the Noods Era anyway. I only watched Total Drama Island and Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Batman Brave & the Bold wasn't bad looking back since it was the silver age comics, but I never gave it a chance when it was on. I tuned into the Powerpuff Girls Rule marathon, Ed Edd n Eddy's Big Picture Show, and the Looney Tunes marathon.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 11:51 am


I didn't care for most shows throughout the Noods Era anyway. I only watched Total Drama Island and Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Batman Brave & the Bold wasn't bad looking back since it was the silver age comics, but I never gave it a chance when it was on. I tuned into the Powerpuff Girls Rule marathon, Ed Edd n Eddy's Big Picture Show, and the Looney Tunes marathon.

I never liked the 2008 Star Wars: The Clone Wars. The Noods Era was when my viewership of Cartoon Network dropped dramatically.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/13/17 at 12:13 pm


If you didn't already know, this is my list for worst CN shows of all time.

10. Pet Alien
9. George of the Jungle (2007)
8. Chop Socky Chooks
7. Almost Naked Animals
6. Level Up/The Incredible Crew
5. Squirrel Boy
4. Teen Titans Go!
3. The Problem Solverz
2. Out of Jimmy's Head
1. The High Fructose Adventures of Annoying Orange

Johnny Test, My Gym Partner's a Monkey, The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, Life & Times of Juniper Lee, Secret Mountain Fort Awesome, and What Ever Happened to Robot Jones are big dishonorable mentions.
I agree with your list; however, the ones in bold are/were decent shows to me. the only problem with TTG is overexposure.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 12:17 pm

Even though I kinda like Cartoon Network, I don't really think it's my favorite out of all the channels I've watched as a kid. I even hated some of the shows that were around at the time.

That being said, here's my 10 worst shows from Cartoon Network that aired (imo).

10. Teen Titans Go! (I think they should just stop airing the thing daily)
9. Destroy Build Destroy
8. Dude, What Would Happen?
7. Level Up
6. The High Fructose Adventures of Annoying Orange
5. Mixels
4. The Looney Tunes Show (I'm sorry, but this is my least favorite adaptation from the Looney Tunes)
3. The Problem Solverz
2. Secret Mountain Fort Awesome
1. Uncle Grandpa

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 12:18 pm


I agree with your list; however, the ones in bold are/were decent shows to me. the only problem with TTG is overexposure.

Johnny Test was alright, Flapjack was decent and so was My Gym Partner's a Monkey, Juniper Lee was OK. Teen Titans Go! though is trash, literally.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/13/17 at 12:27 pm


Johnny Test was alright, Flapjack was decent and so was My Gym Partner's a Monkey, Juniper Lee was OK. Teen Titans Go! though is trash, literally.
Yeah, that show wasn't bad either, but it was weird. TTG though, I would say the first 2 years were great, but after that it's been awful.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 12:28 pm


Yeah, that show wasn't bad either, but it was weird. TTG though, I would say the first 2 years were great, but after that it's been awful.

I've always found it to be awful and especially now that Teen Titans Go! takes up 50% of Cartoon Network's weekly schedule 8-P.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/13/17 at 12:30 pm


I've always found it to be awful and especially now that Teen Titans Go! takes up 50% of Cartoon Network's weekly schedule 8-P.
And they have been doing that for at least 2/3 years now It's getting frustrating.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 12:32 pm


And they have been doing that for at least 2/3 years now It's getting frustrating.

Of course but there's no end in sight for now, unfortunately.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 12:34 pm


I've always found it to be awful and especially now that Teen Titans Go! takes up 50% of Cartoon Network's weekly schedule 8-P.


Ever since early 2017, we've always been seeing Teen Titans Go on Cartoon Network nonstop. I don't hate the show, but I wish CN's executives would just put in more variety with their channel.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 12:38 pm


Ever since early 2017, we've always been seeing Teen Titans Go on Cartoon Network nonstop. I don't hate the show, but I wish CN's executives would just put in more variety with their channel.

Frankly, all of the 3 major American kids channels (Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network and Disney Channel) need more variety in the shows they offer. However, that is not the case but they don't care because they are making money.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 12:49 pm


Frankly, all of the 3 major American kids channels (Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network and Disney Channel) need more variety in the shows they offer. However, that is not the case but they don't care because they are making money.


I don't think that would happen, since most TV networks nowadays are going for Internet streaming.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 12:51 pm


I don't think that would happen 100%, since most TV networks nowadays are going for Internet streaming.

Wait, what are you saying?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 1:01 pm


Wait, what are you saying?


I'm saying cable TV is not as popular as it used to be.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 1:12 pm


I'm saying cable TV is not as popular as it used to be.

True but that still doesn't excuse the lack of variety in shows on Nick, CN and Disney Channel.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 1:17 pm


True but that still doesn't excuse the lack of variety in shows on Nick, CN and Disney Channel.


I think the only way to have Cartoon Network gain more variety is to have TTG lose some of its timeslots to other important shows.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 1:21 pm


I think the only way to have Cartoon Network gain more variety is to have TTG lose some of its timeslots to other important shows.

Yes and just to have shows that aren't comedic. You can have comedy cartoons like TTG but also have cartoons that are "in the middle" (both comedic and actiony like the original Teen Titans) and also shows that are action or more actiony (like Justice League Unlimited). Also, cartoons that aren't comedic or actiony.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 1:29 pm


Yes and just to have shows that aren't comedic. You can have comedy cartoons like TTG but also have cartoons that are "in the middle" (both comedic and actiony like the original Teen Titans) and also shows that are action or more actiony (like Justice League Unlimited). Also, cartoons that aren't comedic or actiony.


I think they should do something like that. At least put in some of their other popular shows to get more interest with people.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 1:32 pm


I think they should do something like that. At least put in some of their other popular shows to get more interest with people.

LMAO, of course they could also do that.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/13/17 at 3:21 pm


Ever since early 2017, we've always been seeing Teen Titans Go on Cartoon Network nonstop. I don't hate the show, but I wish CN's executives would just put in more variety with their channel.


That's been going on since 2014 lol, but it started getting worse last year.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/13/17 at 3:28 pm

Stuart Snyder should come back to CN, he was way better than Christina Miller. I mean yes 2007-2009 he screwed up, but in 2010-2014 he fixed his mistakes.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 3:31 pm


Stuart Snyder should come back to CN, he was way better than Christina Miller. I mean yes 2007-2009 he screwed up, but in 2010-2014 he fixed his mistakes.

NOOOOOOOOO Stuart Snyder was responsible for CN Real and he authorized the creation of Out of Jimmy's Head.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/13/17 at 3:32 pm

But he cleaned up his act between 2010 and 2014. Between 2010 and 2014, CN had a variety in their scheduling. Since 2014, it's been Teen Titans Go shown 3583685674564576576576 times a day.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/13/17 at 3:36 pm

Also I think a lot of that stupid sh*t that happened to CN in 2007 was actually Jim Samples' idea (like TOM 4, Out of Jimmy's Head, Fried Dynamite, etc.).

Jim was just grateful to resign *just* in time to dump his really bad ideas on poor Stu, similar to how Bush dumped the Great Recession on Obama when he left office

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 3:37 pm


But he cleaned up his act between 2010 and 2014. Between 2010 and 2014, CN had a variety in their scheduling. Since 2014, it's been Teen Titans Go shown 3583685674564576576576 times a day.

"cleaned up his act". No way, he's still responsible for canceling Young Justice, making Almost Naked Animals air on CN, green lighting the creation of Teen Titans Go! (it premiered while he was still in power), The Problem Solverz, Secret Mountain Fort Awesome, Incredible Crew, canceling the 2011 Thundercats reboot and canceling Sym-Bionic Titan.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 4:00 pm


That's been going on since 2014 lol, but it started getting worse last year.


Yeah, but they at least put in some different shows between 2014-2015. I'm not sure about 2016 and after, since I didn't pay attention towards CN's schedule ever since then.


Stuart Snyder should come back to CN, he was way better than Christina Miller. I mean yes 2007-2009 he screwed up, but in 2010-2014 he fixed his mistakes.


Nah, he was better in the late 2000s (except for CN Real). He did try to do what Jim Staples did before he resigned in mid 2007. By the early 2010s, he was just mediocre at best. Even though he was responsible for not only rebranding Cartoon Network, but also did the same thing with Boomerang. Christina Miller did it worse, since she put out the worst schedules in Cartoon Network history. If you compared Cartoon Network's schedule between 2007 and now, there would be a huge difference.

Sunday, January 7, 2007 (Cartoon Network)

6:00AM Totally Spies
6:30AM Cartoon Cartoon
7:30AM Ed, Edd 'n Eddy
8:00AM Cartoon Cartoon Top 5
9:00AM Tom & Jerry: Shiver Me Whiskers
10:30AM Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends
11:00AM Xiaolin Showdown
11:30AM Ben 10
12:00PM Class of 3000
12:30PM Codename: Kids Next Door
1:00PM Camp Lazlo
1:30PM Camp Lazlo
2:00PM The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
2:30PM The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
3:00PM Ed, Edd 'n Eddy
3:30PM Ed, Edd 'n Eddy
4:00PM Cartoon Cartoon Top 5
5:00PM Pokemon: Battle Frontier
5:30PM Pokemon: Battle Frontier
6:00PM Codename: Kids Next Door
6:30PM My Gym Partner's A Monkey
7:00PM Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends
7:30PM Camp Lazlo
8:00PM Class of 3000
8:30PM Ed, Edd 'n Eddy
9:00PM The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
9:30PM Squirrel Boy

Monday, April 10th, 2017
6:00 am The Amazing World of Gumball
6:30 am The Amazing World of Gumball
7:00 am Teen Titans Go!
7:30 am Teen Titans Go!
8:00 am Teen Titans Go!
8:30 am Teen Titans Go!
9:00 am Teen Titans Go!
9:30 am Teen Titans Go!
10:00 am Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Rodrick Rules (Movie)
12:00 pm Teen Titans Go!
12:30 pm Teen Titans Go!
1:00 pm Teen Titans Go!
1:30 pm Teen Titans Go!
2:00 pm Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (Movie)
4:00 pm Teen Titans Go! Island Adventures
5:00 pm Ben 10 (Series Premiere)
5:30 pm Ben 10 (New Episode)
6:00 pm Teen Titans Go!
6:15 pm Ben 10
6:30 pm Teen Titans Go!
6:45 pm Ben 10
7:00 pm We Bare Bears (New Episode)
7:15 pm Ben 10
7:30 pm The Amazing World of Gumball
7:45 pm Ben 10

It's going to be worse on Saturday and Sunday, all thanks to a new Easter special coming up.  8-P


Also I think a lot of that stupid sh*t that happened to CN in 2007 was actually Jim Samples' idea (like TOM 4, Out of Jimmy's Head, Fried Dynamite, etc.).

Jim was just grateful to resign *just* in time to dump his really bad ideas on poor Stu, similar to how Bush dumped the Great Recession on Obama when he left office


So Fried Dynamite and Out of Jimmy's Head was Jim Staples's ideas, not Stuart Snyder? I'm starting to think 2007 wasn't as much as a Stuart Snyder year, since it was all fodder from Staples himself.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/13/17 at 4:01 pm


So Fried Dynamite and Out of Jimmy's Head was Jim Staples's ideas, not Stuart Snyder? I'm starting to think 2007 wasn't as much as a Stuart Snyder year, since it was all fodder from Staples himself.

Yes.

Chowder was also a Jim Samples show. I liked Chowder but I know Eric hates it.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 4:07 pm


Nah, he was better in the late 2000s (except for CN Real). He did try to do what Jim Staples did before he resigned in mid 2007. By the early 2010s, he was just mediocre at best. Even though he was responsible for not only rebranding Cartoon Network, but also did the same thing with Boomerang. Christina Miller did it worse, since she put out the worst schedules in Cartoon Network history. If you compared Cartoon Network's schedule between 2007 and now, there would be a huge difference.

Sunday, January 7, 2007 (Cartoon Network)

6:00AM Totally Spies
6:30AM Cartoon Cartoon
7:30AM Ed, Edd 'n Eddy
8:00AM Cartoon Cartoon Top 5
9:00AM Tom & Jerry: Shiver Me Whiskers
10:30AM Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends
11:00AM Xiaolin Showdown
11:30AM Ben 10
12:00PM Class of 3000
12:30PM Codename: Kids Next Door
1:00PM Camp Lazlo
1:30PM Camp Lazlo
2:00PM The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
2:30PM The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
3:00PM Ed, Edd 'n Eddy
3:30PM Ed, Edd 'n Eddy
4:00PM Cartoon Cartoon Top 5
5:00PM Pokemon: Battle Frontier
5:30PM Pokemon: Battle Frontier
6:00PM Codename: Kids Next Door
6:30PM My Gym Partner's A Monkey
7:00PM Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends
7:30PM Camp Lazlo
8:00PM Class of 3000
8:30PM Ed, Edd 'n Eddy
9:00PM The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
9:30PM Squirrel Boy

Jim Staples was still in charge of Cartoon Network on January 7, 2007. Snyder wouldn't come in until February 2007.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 4:08 pm


Chowder was also a Jim Samples show. I liked Chowder but I know Eric hates it.

I liked Chowder as well. It was a funny and quirky show.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 4:13 pm


Yes.

Chowder was also a Jim Samples show. I liked Chowder but I know Eric hates it.


So everything from 2007 on Cartoon Network was from Jim Staples? Huh. You know, I think die hard CN fans should know about this before informing others about it.


Jim Staples was still in charge of Cartoon Network on January 7, 2007. Snyder wouldn't come in until February 2007.


Even though Jim Staples's ideas were still into place throughout 2007, so that doesn't really change anything. I put in 2007 because it was the first year Stuart Snyder was president of CN.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 4:18 pm


Even though Jim Staples's ideas were still into place throughout 2007, so that doesn't really change anything. I put in 2007 because it was the first year Stuart Snyder was president of CN.

Stuart Snyder did green light Out's of Jimmy's Head, that was the very first show he approved.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 4:22 pm


Stuart Snyder did green light Out's of Jimmy's Head, that was the very first show he approved.


Much like what Zelek said, they were still ideas from Jim Staples when he was president.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 4:26 pm


Much like what Zelek said, they were still ideas from Jim Staples when he was president.

And? Snyder still green lighted it. He could have easily said no. Also, Snyder is the reason why Craig McCracken left CN, why the Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy and Codename: Kids Next Door ended, Snyder also didn't want to green light the Billy & Mandy spin-off "Underfist" because those were "Jim Staples shows not mine". >:(

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 4:40 pm


And? Snyder still green lighted it. He could have easily said no. Also, Snyder is the reason why Craig McCracken left CN, why the Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy and Codename: Kids Next Door ended, Snyder also didn't want to green light the Billy & Mandy spin-off "Underfist" because those were "Jim Staples shows not mine". >:(


That doesn't really mean he's exactly the worst president Cartoon Network had to offer. I can't stand Cartoon Network so much ever since TTG was spammed nonstop, to the point where it just seems unsatisfying for most people.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 4:43 pm


That doesn't really mean he's exactly the worst president Cartoon Network had to offer. I can't stand Cartoon Network so much ever since TTG was spammed nonstop, to the point where it just seems unsatisfying for most people.

He is the worst President in Cartoon Network history. He is the man responsible for the Cartoon Network you see today. Christina Miller has done some changes but Snyder is still the main influencer.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 4:45 pm


He is the worst President in Cartoon Network history. He is the man responsible for the Cartoon Network you see today. Christina Miller has done some changes but Snyder is still the main influencer.


He at least had valuable schedules for Cartoon Network that most people could enjoy. I didn't have problem with his stuff during the late 2000s and I turned out fine. He did suck around the early 2010s, but the channel was still enjoyable to me.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 4:47 pm


He at least had valuable schedules for Cartoon Network that most people could enjoy. I didn't have problem with his stuff during the late 2000s and I turned out fine. He did suck around the early 2010s, but the channel was still enjoyable to me.

Even though my viewership of Cartoon Network declined during 2007-2010. Yes, there was some decent to good shows on the network during that time. It doesn't change the fact that Snyder was an ineffective leader of CN.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 4:53 pm


Even though my viewership of Cartoon Network declined during 2007-2010. Yes, there was some decent to good shows on the network during that time. It doesn't change the fact that Snyder was an ineffective leader of CN.


Okay, I will admit that he brought in the worst era for Cartoon Network (Check-It), but he wasn't that bad.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 4:57 pm


Okay, I will admit that he brought in the worst era for Cartoon Network (Check-It), but he wasn't that bad.

Cartoon Network has only had 3 Presidents in his lifetime. If you look at what each have done to/for the network then Stuart Snyder is definetly the worst one.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/13/17 at 5:37 pm


Stuart Snyder should come back to CN, he was way better than Christina Miller. I mean yes 2007-2009 he screwed up, but in 2010-2014 he fixed his mistakes.


Ppl when I get back home on my laptop, you're going to hear my huge controversial thoughts on this topic.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 5:42 pm


Ppl when I get back home on my laptop, you're going to hear my huge controversial thoughts on this topic.

If it's that you like Snyder or Staples was actually bad then I mean....whatever.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/13/17 at 5:48 pm


If it's that you like Snyder or Staples was actually bad then I mean....whatever.


I don't think a lot of CN fans hate Jim Staples. I mean, he was a decent president for CN.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/13/17 at 5:51 pm


I don't think a lot of CN fans hate Jim Staples. I mean, he was a decent president for CN.

Well, mqg96 did say that he has "huge controversial thoughts on this topic." I was just guessing/speculating what his controversial opinion might be.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/14/17 at 4:24 pm


That would've been fantastic and hilarious ;D.

I also would've liked to see more episodes with Donny Osmond, because let's face it, he's the best character in animation history. ;D

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/14/17 at 4:27 pm


I also would've liked to see more episodes with Donny Osmond, because let's face it, he's the best character in animation history. ;D

Yes, absolutely ;D.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/14/17 at 4:52 pm


Well, mqg96 did say that he has "huge controversial thoughts on this topic." I was just guessing/speculating what his controversial opinion might be.


A day later, he still doesn't have his own "controversial" opinions out on this thread. I guess he's still busy, considering he hasn't been online today.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/14/17 at 4:54 pm


A day later, he still doesn't have his own "controversial" opinions out on this thread. I guess he's still busy, considering he hasn't been online today.

Maybe, he's still playing the game "Where's my laptop?" ;D

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/14/17 at 4:55 pm


Maybe, he's still playing the game "Where's my laptop?" ;D


Yeah, or maybe he was busy changing his signature for a couple of hours. lol

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/14/17 at 4:59 pm


Yeah, or maybe he was busy changing his signature for a couple of hours. lol

True ;D.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/14/17 at 9:49 pm


I didn't care for most shows throughout the Noods Era anyway. I only watched Total Drama Island and Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Batman Brave & the Bold wasn't bad looking back since it was the silver age comics, but I never gave it a chance when it was on. I tuned into the Powerpuff Girls Rule marathon, Ed Edd n Eddy's Big Picture Show, and the Looney Tunes marathon.


I used to always question "Why isn't Darth Vader in this" I didn't follow the show but I would somehow get into it when I caught an episode.


Johnny Test was alright, Flapjack was decent and so was My Gym Partner's a Monkey, Juniper Lee was OK. Teen Titans Go! though is trash, literally.


It seems hating Teen Titans Go became a trend. The show can be killer to brain cells but it does have its moments.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/14/17 at 9:51 pm


It seems hating Teen Titans Go became a trend. The show can be killer to brain cells but it does have its moments.

No, I don't dislike Teen Titans Go! because it's trendy to hate it. I have disliked it ever since I saw the first photos and promos for it in late 2012/early 2013. I am HUGE fan of the original Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go! hurts me very much.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/14/17 at 10:02 pm


No, I don't dislike Teen Titans Go! because it's trendy to hate it. I have disliked it ever since I saw the first photos and promos for it in late 2012/early 2013. I am HUGE fan of the original Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go! hurts me very much.


This response, man. Teen Titans Go doesn't give a ** if you dislike it. Your just giving it more power. I just ignore it and actually does wonders. Teen Titans Go doesn't exist to me most of the time.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/14/17 at 10:05 pm


This response, man. Teen Titans Go doesn't give a ** if you dislike it. Your just giving it more power. I just ignore it and actually does wonders. Teen Titans Go doesn't exist to me most of the time.

Same here. I never said that I think about Teen Titans Go!...I just said that I disliked. In fact, most of the time I don't even remember that Teen Titans Go! exists, only when I see a promo for it or when someone like you mentions it in a post or comment online.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/14/17 at 10:15 pm


Same here. I never said that I think about Teen Titans Go!...I just said that I disliked. In fact, most of the time I don't even remember that Teen Titans Go! exists, only when I see a promo for it or when someone like you mentions it in a post or comment online.


Teen Titans Original got screwed over as far as the unanswered questions but Teen Titans Go is giving it more remembrance less then its giving its self.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/14/17 at 10:17 pm


Teen Titans Original got screwed over as far as the unanswered questions but Teen Titans Go is giving it more remembrance less then its giving its self.

What do you mean by "Teen Titans Go is giving it more remembrance less then its giving its self"?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/14/17 at 11:19 pm

As bad as Stuart Snyder was his first few years I think it was a combination of him learning from his early mistakes and trying to pick up the slack. Sorry NewYorkEagle, but Stuart Snyder's worst years were from 2007-2009, his best years were 2010-2013 despite many ups and downs. Stuart Snyder started off really bad, and he was really bad, but he improved later in his run and by 2011 & 2012 Cartoon Network had the best lineups in years. I give Stuart Snyder credit for allowing a lot of PG shows on the air too, whether those were Total Drama, Regular Show, Adventure Time, Sym-Bionic Titan, Steven Universe, or Young Justice. Christina Miller on the other hand..... just has a bunch of reboots to the lowest common denominator and hardly any creativity.

Jim Samples was good for most of his time but crashed & burned at the very end. Jim Samples WAS NOT perfect and he wasn't the best CN president. He was better than Stuart Snyder by a long shot, but he still had issues too. Nobody beats Betty Cohen, the original president from the day the channel launched in 1992 up until 2001. Jim Samples was great from 2001-2005 but collapsed his last year and a half (2006-early 2007) when the Re-Animated movie came out in 2006. Yes, Stuart Snyder greenlit the show in 2007, but before a series begins it always has to start out as a movie, which Jim Samples was responsible for. Getting rid of the creative City Era for the downgraded Yes! was a mistake as well.

Take note that despite the controversial scheduling over the years and the flow of CN's history. Betty Cohen and Stuart Snyder were responsible for the best original shows in CN history while they were in office. Betty Cohen gave us birth to the Cartoon Cartoons which impacted CN's legacy for years. Despite how bad Stuart Snyder was throughout the late 2000's, throughout the early 2010's he gave us Adventure Time and Regular Show which brought back CN from the ashes. Stuart Snyder made A LOT of bad decisions but he made some really good ones at the same time. Young Justice was NOT cancelled because of Snyder, it was cancelled because of lack of toy sales which wouldn't have affected any president in office. Jim Samples gave us some great original shows (& acquired WB) in his earlier years (2001-2004) but in his later years (2005-2006) the original shows got weaker with the exception of a couple. Christina Miller has done the worst with her original shows thus far because the majority have been reboots and hardly any creativity. I want original creativity. So I'd take Stuart Snyder over Christina Miller, and don't even get me started with Miller's scheduling smh.

So looking at the channel in overall variety, blocks, and creative bumpers:
Betty Cohen >>> Jim Samples >>> Stuart Snyder >>> Christina Miller

Original programming wise (which is arguably the most important because most casual viewers who watch networks focus on original shows on primetime hours before acquired):
Betty Cohen >>> Stuart Snyder >>> Jim Samples >>> Christina Miller

Betty Cohen had the best original programming, best blocks, best variety, best overall fell for Cartoon Network, she was the president for most of CN's golden age. CN had everything at the time she was there, especially from 1998-2001.

Jim Samples still had great blocks, great variety, specials, and came up with the CN City era which was so groundbreaking at the time, however, later in his run the original programming did get weak which was a huge problem. The Yes! era was a big mistake including the Re-Animated movie.

Stuart Snyder, he was a really really bad president with managing things during the first half of his time. He got rid of all the good blocks throughout the late 2000's, and I'll admit while the late 2000's recession did come into play with the reason why CN didn't have much in the Noods Era, there were still no excuses for the bad decisions he made like CN Real or cancelling Toonami. However, everybody has to give him credit for allowing PG shows on CN like Total Drama Island-World Tour which were amazing. He allowed Adventure Time and Regular Show to revive Cartoon Network from its dark ages (which were also PG), then more great shows like Young Justice, Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc, Sym-bionic Titan (once again toy sales, NOT Snyder), and ThunderCats (2011) to get on the air. MAD and The Looney Tunes Show were underrated as hell. I really think the 2011 & 2012 years for the CHECK it era were some of the best years CN had in years at the time. His final year of the CHECK it era in 2013 didn't go so perfect, since TTGO was just getting started, but at least he didn't spam it as bad as this woman who I'm about to bring up. For those who enjoy Steven Universe he also gave the network that as well.

Christina Miller is the worst president in CN history. I get that Vishnu Athreya is responsible for the horrible scheduling, but there are NO excuses for this and Christina Miller should be taking charge over him. So that's still on the head president. The CHECK it 4.0 and Dimensional eras are just a wasteland with internet memes that represent our pop culture today. Christina Miller hasn't come up with hardly any good, original creative shows. It's just been REBOOTS and hardly anything else. There hasn't been any more mature CN shows premiering since Snyder left as well. Most have been filled with just comedy/kiddy humor and hardly anything else. What happened to the diversity that Total Drama, Regular Show, or Adventure Time had? We Bare Bears, I don't really know about that show. Pokemon was the last anime to air on Cartoon Network, and has now moved to Disney XD. So the channel is in shambles right now.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/14/17 at 11:23 pm

Nice analysis.

Another thing Jim Samples did, that affected CN poorly in the long run, was that they began showing live-action movies in November 2005. Some of the movies shown, like Who Framed Roger Rabbit or Osmosis Jones, at least had something to do with cartoons, but others, like The Goonies, Snow Day, and My Girl, had zilch to do with cartoons. This gave CN a case of the MTV syndrome that got worse and worse each year before nearly killing them in 2009.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/14/17 at 11:26 pm

mqg96...what you said was not controversial at all. LOL, what was so controversial about it?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/14/17 at 11:32 pm


mqg96...what you said was not controversial at all. LOL, what was so controversial about it?


Because for years a lot of people blamed Stuart Snyder for ALL the reasons Cartoon Network got bad, which is arguably true, and I fully understand it because I was in that position myself too. I mean as of 2011, what were CN's worst years? 2008 and 2009. So of course Stuart Snyder will get the blame for everything, but now that I've seen Cartoon Network since TTGO go premiered in 2013, since Christina Miller came in, and what's happened to the scheduling every since Stuart Snyder left (Adventure Time & Regular Show not being played anymore included). Cartoon Network has definitely taken a turn for the worse but in a different way. In the late 2000's it was more about cancelling good blocks and shows that had been around for years in place of live-action shows, but right now it's more about marathoning the same shows over and over again and hardly having any variety on the network. I were to tell someone that Stuart Snyder's original programming was better than Jim Sample's original programming, if they didn't read the sentence word for word then they'd be pissed off at me. Just because Stuart Snyder had better original shows than Jim Samples didn't mean Stuart Snyder was the better president with managing the network. Huge difference in context.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/14/17 at 11:35 pm

I agree. I never thought I'd say this but Stuart Snyder is underrated and people should stop hating him. He saved CN between 2010 and 2014.

Christie Miller hasn't done anything good for CN so far, she's just coasting off Stu's success but the well seems to be running dry.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/14/17 at 11:35 pm


Because for years a lot of people blamed Stuart Snyder for ALL the reason Cartoon Network was bad, and I fully understand it because I was in that position myself too. I mean as of 2011, what were CN's worst years? 2008 and 2009? So of course Stuart Snyder will get the blame for everything, but now that I've seen Cartoon Network since TTGO go premiered in 2013, since Christina Miller came in, and what's happened to the scheduling every since Stuart Snyder left (Adventure Time & Regular Show not being played anymore included). Cartoon Network has definitely taken a turn for the worse but in a different way. In the late 2000's it was more about cancelling good blocks and shows that had been around for years in place of live-action shows, but right now it's more about marathoning the same shows over and over again and hardly having any variety on the network. If someone were to tell me Stuart Snyder's original programming was better than Jim Sample's original programming, if they didn't read that sentence word for word then they'd be pissed off at me. Just because Stuart Snyder had better original shows than Jim Samples didn't mean Stuart Snyder was the better president with managing the network. Huge difference in context.

I don't think I've heard anyone say that "Stuart Snyder had better original shows than Jim Samples" and "Stuart Snyder was the better president with managing the network.". In fact, I hear the exact OPPOSITE.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/14/17 at 11:41 pm


I don't think I've heard anyone say that "Stuart Snyder had better original shows than Jim Samples" and "Stuart Snyder was the better president with managing the network.". In fact, I hear the exact OPPOSITE.


Now you're a victim of who I'm talking about who get confused. Responsible for original shows =/= managing the network, go back and read my original post.

Jim Samples was the better president in managing the network, but Stuart Snyder had the better original shows.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/14/17 at 11:45 pm


Now you're a victim of who I'm talking about who get confused. Responsible for original shows =/= managing the network, go back and read my original post.

Jim Samples was the better president in managing the network, but Stuart Snyder had the better original shows.

Well, I'm heard from most people that Samples had both the better original shows and that Samples managed the network better. I don't get what you're saying otherwise.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/14/17 at 11:59 pm


Well, I'm heard from most people that Samples had both the better original shows and that Samples managed the network better. I don't get what you're saying otherwise.


People have always said Jim Samples managed the network better (of course), but when it comes to original shows people have said it's even or Stuart Snyder's were better. Only teens (or Youtube users) who are blinded by nostalgia who loved the City/Yes or Noods era will stay Jim Samples was perfect in everything. Young adults who grew up with Cartoon Network since the 90's or early 2000's who analyze and do their research will realize that Stuart Snyder had the better original shows than Jim Samples. Back in the day everybody hated Stuart Snyder because of what happened to Cartoon Network in the late 2000's when good shows & blocks were cancelled for live-action shows and there were hardly any original programming. Nobody had seen Cartoon Network get that bad before because of how good it was throughout the late 90's to early/mid 2000's when we were used to good shows (only cartoons) and good blocks for years. However, after Adventure Time and Regular Show brought back Cartoon Network people started liking the shows on CN again. This includes other shows like Young Justice, Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc, Sym-Bionic Titan, and even MAD too, but people still hated Stuart Snyder because of how he managed the network, they never blamed him for the original shows because everybody knows early 2010's CN had great original shows.

The one thing you must remember ReignMan, is that when it comes to casual kids or the majority viewers of CN who only care about the channel for original programming, that's when the original programming becomes the most important factor. The majority of CN promos since the Cartoon Cartoons came in the late 90's have always been on its original programming first before anything else. Throughout the early 2000's, Cartoon Cartoons came first before Toonami or Hanna-Barbera. Throughout the mid 2000's CN originals came first before CN bumps, Miguzi, or Toonami. Throughout the late 2000's Chowder and Flapjack were the only original shows, making CN in a dark age at the time. Throughout the early 2010's, Adventure Time and Regular Show were so great that for casuals and majority viewers it outweighed the bad and people thought CN was back to its good days again. Variety and blocks are big factors when managing a network, but for majority viewers and casuals original programming is arguably the most important. Jim Samples was a better president overall than Stuart Snyder, but Stuart Snyder still had the better original programming no doubt about it, and Jim Samples made a lot of mistakes too.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/15/17 at 12:05 am


People have always said Jim Samples managed the network better (of course), but when it comes to original shows people have said it's even or Stuart Snyder's were better. Only teens (or Youtube users) who are blinded by nostalgia who loved the City/Yes or Noods era will stay Jim Samples was perfect in everything. Young adults who grew up with Cartoon Network since the 90's or early 2000's who analyze and do their research will realize that Stuart Snyder had the better original shows than Jim Samples. Back in the day everybody hated Stuart Snyder because of what happened to Cartoon Network in the late 2000's when good shows & blocks were cancelled for live-action shows and there were hardly any original programming. Nobody had seen Cartoon Network get that bad before because of how good it was throughout the late 90's to early/mid 2000's when we were used to good shows (only cartoons) and good blocks for years. However, after Adventure Time and Regular Show brought back Cartoon Network people started liking the shows on CN again. This includes other shows like Young Justice, Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc, Sym-Bionic Titan, and even MAD too, but people still hated Stuart Snyder because of how he managed the network, they never blamed him for the original shows because everybody knows early 2010's CN had great original shows.

The one thing you must remember ReignMan, is that when it comes to casual kids or the majority viewers of CN who only care about the channel for original programming, that's when the original programming becomes the most important factor. The majority of CN promos since the Cartoon Cartoons came in the late 90's have always been on its original programming first before anything else. Throughout the early 2000's, Cartoon Cartoons came first before Toonami or Hanna-Barbera. Throughout the mid 2000's CN originals came first before CN bumps, Miguzi, or Toonami. Throughout the late 2000's Chowder and Flapjack were the only original shows, making CN in a dark age at the time. Throughout the early 2010's, Adventure Time and Regular Show were so great that for casuals and majority viewers it outweighed the bad and people thought CN was back to its good days again. Variety and blocks are big factors when managing a network, but for majority viewers and casuals original programming is arguably the most important. Jim Samples was a better president overall than Stuart Snyder, but Stuart Snyder still had the better original programming no doubt about it, and Jim Samples made a lot of mistakes too.

"better original programming" is up for debate even though once again most people online born in the late 1980s and 1990s say that Jim Staples was better than Stuart Snyder in terms of original shows but whatever.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/15/17 at 9:14 am


What do you mean by "Teen Titans Go is giving it more remembrance less then its giving its self"?


This generation that watches Teen Titans Go are going to want to know about the original sooner or later. Eventually, no one will care for Teen Titans Go because it will be constantly outgrown.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/15/17 at 10:15 am


mqg96...what you said was not controversial at all. LOL, what was so controversial about it?


Well, he did say to me in response that Stuart Snyder was worse in the late 2000s. I kinda think it's a bit controversial. But even then, I didn't really praise Cartoon Network that much during my childhood. Hell, I enjoyed Boomerang more than Cartoon Network by the time I started elementary school. It's probably because I was more into classic Hanna-Barbara cartoons (especially Scooby-Doo and Tom & Jerry), to the point where I wanted to see them more than just CN's original programming. It wasn't until early 2007 where I wanted to see CN's original programming more, but my TV time was still more focused with Nickelodeon and Toon Disney (despite being Jetix for the most part).


This generation that watches Teen Titans Go are going to want to know about the original sooner or later. Eventually, no one will care for Teen Titans Go because it will be constantly outgrown.


Well some of those kids who did grew up with Teen Titans Go possibly watched the original show before Boomerang was rebranded in early 2015. I'm not sure about the younger ones, since they probably didn't care about watching Boomerang. Even if they never remembered the old Boomerang, where it actually aired older cartoons with no current CN shows, they wouldn't seem to understand why having old Boomerang was a big deal to older people.


"better original programming" is up for debate even though once again most people online born in the late 1980s and 1990s say that Jim Staples was better than Stuart Snyder in terms of original shows but whatever.


Those people most likely didn't care about Cartoon Network throughout the 2000s, since they probably thought anything childish was beyond their reasoning when they became teenagers. I'm not entirely sure, but the only reason why I didn't like Cartoon Network that much after 2010 was because of how the Check-It era seems ugly to me. I liked Boomerang more after that, since they at least aired a lot of cooler shows than the main CN.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/15/17 at 10:20 am


Those people most likely didn't care about Cartoon Network throughout the 2000s, since they probably thought anything childish was beyond their reasoning when they became teenagers. I'm not entirely sure, but the only reason why I didn't like Cartoon Network that much after 2010 was because of how the Check-It era seems ugly to me. I liked Boomerang more after that, since they at least aired a lot of cooler shows than the main CN.

Those people are people around the ages of Zelek3, UltraGameDog, SpyroKev, Looney Toon, mqg96, even you and me. Just check any CN video about the Powerhouse era (2001-2004 part of it) and CN City.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/15/17 at 10:29 am


Those people are people around the ages of Zelek3, UltraGameDog, SpyroKev, Looney Toon, mqg96, even you and me. Just check any CN video about the Powerhouse era (2001-2004 part of it) and CN City.


Oh. So they most likely watched Cartoon Network throughout the early and/or mid 2000s? Aside from that, I don't think any Cartoon Network president (except for Christina Miller) was better than anyone else.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/15/17 at 10:32 am


Oh. So they most likely watched Cartoon Network throughout the early and/or mid 2000s? Aside from that, I don't think any Cartoon Network president (except for Christina Miller) was better than anyone else.

Wait so you like Christina Miller? Why? :-\\

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/15/17 at 10:54 am


Wait so you like Christina Miller? Why? :-\\


No, I'm saying that any other Cartoon Network president is better than Christina Miller in some sort of sense.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/15/17 at 10:56 am


No, I'm saying that any other Cartoon Network president is better than Christina Miller in some sort of sense.

Oh, I would have to agree.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/16/17 at 11:46 pm


Those people most likely didn't care about Cartoon Network throughout the 2000s, since they probably thought anything childish was beyond their reasoning when they became teenagers. I'm not entirely sure, but the only reason why I didn't like Cartoon Network that much after 2010 was because of how the Check-It era seems ugly to me. I liked Boomerang more after that, since they at least aired a lot of cooler shows than the main CN.


When you're referring to those group of people you mean the LATE 2000's? Or mid 2000's for some. Everybody cared about CN throughout the early 2000's and most people cared about it throughout the mid 2000's.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/16/17 at 11:50 pm


When you're referring to those group of people you mean the LATE 2000's? Or mid 2000's for some. Everybody cared about CN throughout the early 2000's and most people cared about it throughout the mid 2000's.

That is true.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/17/17 at 5:26 am


When you're referring to those group of people you mean the LATE 2000's? Or mid 2000's for some. Everybody cared about CN throughout the early 2000's and most people cared about it throughout the mid 2000's.


Well, they dislike the late 2000s the most, so yeah.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 12:40 pm


As bad as Stuart Snyder was his first few years I think it was a combination of him learning from his early mistakes and trying to pick up the slack. Sorry NewYorkEagle, but Stuart Snyder's worst years were from 2007-2009, his best years were 2010-2013 despite many ups and downs. Stuart Snyder started off really bad, and he was really bad, but he improved later in his run and by 2011 & 2012 Cartoon Network had the best lineups in years. I give Stuart Snyder credit for allowing a lot of PG shows on the air too, whether those were Total Drama, Regular Show, Adventure Time, Sym-Bionic Titan, Steven Universe, or Young Justice. Christina Miller on the other hand..... just has a bunch of reboots to the lowest common denominator and hardly any creativity.

Jim Samples was good for most of his time but crashed & burned at the very end. Jim Samples WAS NOT perfect and he wasn't the best CN president. He was better than Stuart Snyder by a long shot, but he still had issues too. Nobody beats Betty Cohen, the original president from the day the channel launched in 1992 up until 2001. Jim Samples was great from 2001-2005 but collapsed his last year and a half (2006-early 2007) when the Re-Animated movie came out in 2006. Yes, Stuart Snyder greenlit the show in 2007, but before a series begins it always has to start out as a movie, which Jim Samples was responsible for. Getting rid of the creative City Era for the downgraded Yes! was a mistake as well.

Take note that despite the controversial scheduling over the years and the flow of CN's history. Betty Cohen and Stuart Snyder were responsible for the best original shows in CN history while they were in office. Betty Cohen gave us birth to the Cartoon Cartoons which impacted CN's legacy for years. Despite how bad Stuart Snyder was throughout the late 2000's, throughout the early 2010's he gave us Adventure Time and Regular Show which brought back CN from the ashes. Stuart Snyder made A LOT of bad decisions but he made some really good ones at the same time. Young Justice was NOT cancelled because of Snyder, it was cancelled because of lack of toy sales which wouldn't have affected any president in office. Jim Samples gave us some great original shows (& acquired WB) in his earlier years (2001-2004) but in his later years (2005-2006) the original shows got weaker with the exception of a couple. Christina Miller has done the worst with her original shows thus far because the majority have been reboots and hardly any creativity. I want original creativity. So I'd take Stuart Snyder over Christina Miller, and don't even get me started with Miller's scheduling smh.

So looking at the channel in overall variety, blocks, and creative bumpers:
Betty Cohen >>> Jim Samples >>> Stuart Snyder >>> Christina Miller

Original programming wise (which is arguably the most important because most casual viewers who watch networks focus on original shows on primetime hours before acquired):
Betty Cohen >>> Stuart Snyder >>> Jim Samples >>> Christina Miller

Betty Cohen had the best original programming, best blocks, best variety, best overall fell for Cartoon Network, she was the president for most of CN's golden age. CN had everything at the time she was there, especially from 1998-2001.

Jim Samples still had great blocks, great variety, specials, and came up with the CN City era which was so groundbreaking at the time, however, later in his run the original programming did get weak which was a huge problem. The Yes! era was a big mistake including the Re-Animated movie.

Stuart Snyder, he was a really really bad president with managing things during the first half of his time. He got rid of all the good blocks throughout the late 2000's, and I'll admit while the late 2000's recession did come into play with the reason why CN didn't have much in the Noods Era, there were still no excuses for the bad decisions he made like CN Real or cancelling Toonami. However, everybody has to give him credit for allowing PG shows on CN like Total Drama Island-World Tour which were amazing. He allowed Adventure Time and Regular Show to revive Cartoon Network from its dark ages (which were also PG), then more great shows like Young Justice, Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc, Sym-bionic Titan (once again toy sales, NOT Snyder), and ThunderCats (2011) to get on the air. MAD and The Looney Tunes Show were underrated as hell. I really think the 2011 & 2012 years for the CHECK it era were some of the best years CN had in years at the time. His final year of the CHECK it era in 2013 didn't go so perfect, since TTGO was just getting started, but at least he didn't spam it as bad as this woman who I'm about to bring up. For those who enjoy Steven Universe he also gave the network that as well.

Christina Miller is the worst president in CN history. I get that Vishnu Athreya is responsible for the horrible scheduling, but there are NO excuses for this and Christina Miller should be taking charge over him. So that's still on the head president. The CHECK it 4.0 and Dimensional eras are just a wasteland with internet memes that represent our pop culture today. Christina Miller hasn't come up with hardly any good, original creative shows. It's just been REBOOTS and hardly anything else. There hasn't been any more mature CN shows premiering since Snyder left as well. Most have been filled with just comedy/kiddy humor and hardly anything else. What happened to the diversity that Total Drama, Regular Show, or Adventure Time had? We Bare Bears, I don't really know about that show. Pokemon was the last anime to air on Cartoon Network, and has now moved to Disney XD. So the channel is in shambles right now.
I've been meaning to respond to this post, but I couldn't do it because of no WiFi on my PC. I would like to say I totally agree with your detailed post. CN has gone through many changes over the years with great choices and unthinkable mistakes. It really sucks how both Christina and Vishnu are f*cking up the channel with the terrible scheduling and the constant exposure of TTG. They can do better than that for today's kids. I truly say the Check era needs to bounce and be replaced with a brand new one. It has went through 4/5 stages of the same thing, and it's not getting any better. Christina needs to pick up the pace with CN, and take notes from the original president by having more variety and creativity in the channel; otherwise, she is going be in the dust, forgotten and cause CN to be history.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 12:44 pm


I've been meaning to respond to this post, but I couldn't do it because of no WiFi on my PC. I would like to say I totally agree with your detailed post. CN has gone through many changes over the years with great choices and unthinkable mistakes. It really sucks how both Christina and Vishnu are f*cking up the channel with the terrible scheduling and the constant exposure of TTG. They can do better than that for today's kids. I truly say the Check era needs to bounce and be replaced with a brand new one. It has went through 4/5 stages of the same thing, and it's not getting any better. Christina needs to pick up the pace with CN, and take notes from the original president by having more variety and creativity in the channel; otherwise, she is going be in the dust, forgotten and cause CN to be history.

I agree bro. Nice post.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/17/17 at 1:25 pm


I agree bro. Nice post.
Thank you!

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/17/17 at 1:28 pm


Thank you!

You're welcome.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/18/17 at 3:47 am

Something I've never understood is why CN killed the Cartoon Cartoons brand in 2003-2004. They had all these logos, blocks, commercials, special events, etc. created specifically for Cartoon Cartoons and then (mostly, with a few exceptions) just DELETED them all around 2003-2004! Why?!!!?? It was a perfectly fine brand!

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/18/17 at 10:10 am


Something I've never understood is why CN killed the Cartoon Cartoons brand in 2003-2004. They had all these logos, blocks, commercials, special events, etc. created specifically for Cartoon Cartoons and then (mostly, with a few exceptions) just DELETED them all around 2003-2004! Why?!!!?? It was a perfectly fine brand!


Things change. That's the most logical, non bothersome answer your going to get.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/18/17 at 10:15 am


Something I've never understood is why CN killed the Cartoon Cartoons brand in 2003-2004. They had all these logos, blocks, commercials, special events, etc. created specifically for Cartoon Cartoons and then (mostly, with a few exceptions) just DELETED them all around 2003-2004! Why?!!!?? It was a perfectly fine brand!


I guess it's because they didn't really need it by 2004, even though the Cartoon Cartoons brand was still around until 2008 (with the Cartoon Cartoon Show reruns).

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/18/17 at 1:27 pm


Something I've never understood is why CN killed the Cartoon Cartoons brand in 2003-2004. They had all these logos, blocks, commercials, special events, etc. created specifically for Cartoon Cartoons and then (mostly, with a few exceptions) just DELETED them all around 2003-2004! Why?!!!?? It was a perfectly fine brand!


What's the one thing almost ALL Cartoon Cartoons have in common? Those either started off on What A Cartoon Show or the Cartoon Cartoon Show. Those were voted by kids who liked the shorts and which ever ones won were turned into a series. Ed, Edd n Eddy was the only popular one that wasn't picked up by What A Cartoon or Cartoon Cartoon Show, it was Canadian/American. The Cartoon Cartoon brand name was dropped after Codename: KND premiered in late 2002 since that was the last cartoon to be voted by kids. Another point you must keep in mind is that all the Cartoon Cartoons started off as animated by Hanna-Barbera then it transferred over to digital animation. Even the pilots of Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy and Codename: KND were animated by Hanna-Barbera as well. All of these Cartoon Cartoons had similar animation & style. By 2003 there was no point of calling the shows "Cartoon Cartoons" anymore because they were just picked up by the network itself and the animation/style had changed. Shows like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, or Camp Lazlo had no business being under the Cartoon Cartoon name since those were simply CN original series from scratch.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/18/17 at 1:31 pm


I guess it's because they didn't really need it by 2004, even though the Cartoon Cartoons brand was still around until 2008 (with the Cartoon Cartoon Show reruns).


The Cartoon Cartoons brand was gone by late 2003. They even changed "Cartoon Cartoon Top 5" to "Cartoon Network Top 5" in 2004 too.

Now when "The Cartoon Cartoon Show" was revived in 2005 they expanded it and included non-Cartoon Cartoons on there as well.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/18/17 at 1:51 pm


What's the one thing almost ALL Cartoon Cartoons have in common? Those either started off on What A Cartoon Show or the Cartoon Cartoon Show. Those were voted by kids who liked the shorts and which ever ones won were turned into a series. Ed, Edd n Eddy was the only popular one that wasn't picked up by What A Cartoon or Cartoon Cartoon Show, it was Canadian/American. The Cartoon Cartoon brand name was dropped after Codename: KND premiered in late 2002 since that was the last cartoon to be voted by kids. Another point you must keep in mind is that all the Cartoon Cartoons started off as animated by Hanna-Barbera then it transferred over to digital animation. Even the pilots of Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy and Codename: KND were animated by Hanna-Barbera as well. All of these Cartoon Cartoons had similar animation & style. By 2003 there was no point of calling the shows "Cartoon Cartoons" anymore because they were just picked up by the network itself and the animation/style had changed. Shows like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, or Camp Lazlo had no business being under the Cartoon Cartoon name since those were simply CN original series from scratch.

Hmmm... interesting point. Never thought of that! :)

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/18/17 at 2:11 pm

On a sidenote: Marquis and Eric, I don't see why you guys hated Chowder!

I mean I can agree with hating the later seasons, but season 1 was really, really good. It had great animation, jazzy music, a feel good vibe, and a throwback to the "classic" CN style humor. I wish someone went back in time to the City era and replaced something like My Gym Partner's a Monkey with Chowder. Then the City era, which was already pretty decent as-is, would look even better than it already does.

I can understand you guys hating Flapjack though, that show is much more of an acquired taste.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/18/17 at 2:16 pm


On a sidenote: Marquis and Eric, I don't see why you guys hated Chowder!

I mean I can agree with hating the later seasons, but season 1 was really, really good. It had great animation, jazzy music, a feel good vibe, and a throwback to the "classic" CN style humor. I wish someone went back in time to the City era and replaced something like My Gym Partner's a Monkey with Chowder. Then the City era, which was already pretty decent as-is, would look even better than it already does.

I can understand you guys hating Flapjack though, that show is much more of an acquired taste.

I agree (even though My Gym Partner's a Monkey was decent, IMO).

Chowder was hilarious and good to me throughout it's entirety. I vividly remember when it first premiered in 2007 around the time of the live action Ben 10 movie, Ben 10: Race Against Time.

The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack was decent but I liked Chowder better and a lot of people are definitely turned off by the art style of Flapjack.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/18/17 at 2:18 pm


On a sidenote: Marquis and Eric, I don't see why you guys hated Chowder!

I mean I can agree with hating the later seasons, but season 1 was really, really good. It had great animation, jazzy music, a feel good vibe, and a throwback to the "classic" CN style humor. I wish someone went back in time to the City era and replaced something like My Gym Partner's a Monkey with Chowder. Then the City era, which was already pretty decent as-is, would look even better than it already does.

I can understand you guys hating Flapjack though, that show is much more of an acquired taste.


Chowder was like my favorite show from late 2000s Cartoon Network, aside from Class of 3000. As for Flapjack, it was exciting but not as much as Chowder.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/18/17 at 2:21 pm


Chowder was like my favorite show from late 2000s Cartoon Network, aside from Class of 3000. As for Flapjack, it was exciting but not as much as Chowder.

Chowder, The Secret Saturdays and Class of 3000 were my favorite late 2000s CN shows.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/18/17 at 2:23 pm


Chowder, The Secret Saturdays and Class of 3000 were my favorite late 2000s CN shows.


Out of all the shows that were around in the late 2000s on CN, Class of 3000 was my all-time favorite.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/18/17 at 2:23 pm

Class of 3000 started around the mid 2000s technically, but it's fair to call it a late 2000s show because it had many more episodes in 2007-2008 than in 2006.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/18/17 at 2:25 pm


Out of all the shows that were around in the late 2000s on CN, Class of 3000 was my all-time favorite.

Same.


Class of 3000 started around the mid 2000s technically, but it's fair to call it a late 2000s show because it had many more episodes in 2007-2008 than in 2006.

Class of 3000 started in November 2006...so basically 2007 :P.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/18/17 at 2:28 pm


Class of 3000 started in November 2006...so basically 2007 :P.

But it came out three months pre-Stuart Snyder.

Huge difference between pre-Snyder CN and post-Snyder CN. ;)

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/18/17 at 2:30 pm


But it came out three months pre-Stuart Snyder.

Huge difference between pre-Snyder CN and post-Snyder CN. ;)

;) I see.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/18/17 at 2:37 pm


Class of 3000 started around the mid 2000s technically, but it's fair to call it a late 2000s show because it had many more episodes in 2007-2008 than in 2006.


Yeah, most episodes aired around the late 2000s, which was when the majority of episodes premiered.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/18/17 at 5:49 pm


I've been meaning to respond to this post, but I couldn't do it because of no WiFi on my PC.


Your Wi-Fi has been fixed at home or were you someplace else again borrowing Wi-Fi?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/18/17 at 5:54 pm


Your Wi-Fi has been fixed at home or were you someplace else again borrowing Wi-Fi?
No. It's not broken. It just hasn't been paid yet, and I used the PCs at school when I made that post.

I hope it comes on soon because I need it for many important things.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 04/18/17 at 5:58 pm


No. It's not broken. It just hasn't been paid yet, and I used the PCs at school when I made that post.

I hope it comes on soon because I need it for many important things.


Just notify (or PM me) when it's finally ready.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/18/17 at 6:09 pm


Just notify (or PM me) when it's finally ready.
I will. :)

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/22/17 at 2:57 pm

In case you guys are interested, here is a DVD recording of CN from Christmas 2006. Similar to the 2006 Disney channel video, this video showcases the PRECISE midway point between silver age CN and bronze age CN.

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Also, ZeldaFan, something that would pique your interest in the second video: the movie finale of Inuyasha. :\'(

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/28/17 at 9:15 pm

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkhFMevte3M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n6n6j3eSVY

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/28/17 at 9:16 pm

Nice. Those videos captured CN in its prime, before it got kind of boring around mid-late 2005.

CN made a huge blunder canceling interesting high-quality shows like Megas Xlr, Samurai jack, and Duck Dodgers and replacing them with flat-out mediocre or meh shows like Camp Lazlo, My Gym Partner's a monkey, and Squirrel boy.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: SpyroKev on 04/28/17 at 9:31 pm


Nice. Those videos captured CN in its prime, before it got kind of boring around mid-late 2005.

CN made a huge blunder canceling interesting high-quality shows like Megas Xlr, Samurai jack, and Duck Dodgers and replacing them with flat-out mediocre or meh shows like Camp Lazlo, My Gym Partner's a monkey, and Squirrel boy.


I used to watch Camp Lazlo every chance I could get. Haha I definitely wouldn't enjoy it now though. My Gym Partner's A Monkey was actually ok for me. I admit to giving Squirrel Boy a chance. Like UG, the show has a dull coloring, atmosphere and strange art style.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/28/17 at 9:36 pm


Nice. Those videos captured CN in its prime, before it got kind of boring around mid-late 2005.

CN made a huge blunder canceling interesting high-quality shows like Megas Xlr, Samurai jack, and Duck Dodgers and replacing them with flat-out mediocre or meh shows like Camp Lazlo, My Gym Partner's a monkey, and Squirrel boy.
I know! I wish CN was still in its prime because it needs a true renaissance, not just a mini one.

I agree with Squirrel Boy and My Gym Partner's a Monkey, but Camp Lazlo was pretty good. :)

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/28/17 at 9:43 pm

There was a management shift at Cartoon Network in late 2005, Genndy Tartakovsky mentioned this in his Adult Swim Q&A, and it was the reason why he left, because he was willing to do a season 5 of Samurai Jack then but the execs just didn't "get" his work, and did not renew his contract. So he packed his bags and moved over to Orphanage Animation.

This management shift clearly explains why CN began getting mediocre or meh around mid-late 2005 and this mediocrity was really noticeable by 2006. To be honest, a lot of people here like to assign blame on CN's presidents like Jim Samples, Stuart Snyder, or Christina Miller, but there are other executives at CN too who have an influence. Not just presidents.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/28/17 at 9:48 pm

(cont) I notice a lot of "armchair historians" like to be simple and think CN went downhill at the Boston Bomb scare in February 2007, when Jim Samples resigned. But in truth CN had been slowly inching towards mediocrity since around mid-2005.

When it comes to kid culture and cartoons, I think I can rather handily divide the mid-2000s into two parts:

June 2004-June 2005 school year: Awesome mid 2000s
June 2005-August 2006 school year: Mediocre mid 2000s

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/28/17 at 10:24 pm


There was a management shift at Cartoon Network in late 2005, Genndy Tartakovsky mentioned this in his Adult Swim Q&A, and it was the reason why he left, because he was willing to do a season 5 of Samurai Jack then but the execs just didn't "get" his work, and did not renew his contract. So he packed his bags and moved over to Orphanage Animation.

This management shift clearly explains why CN began getting mediocre or meh around mid-late 2005 and this mediocrity was really noticeable by 2006. To be honest, a lot of people here like to assign blame on CN's presidents like Jim Samples, Stuart Snyder, or Christina Miller, but there are other executives at CN too who have an influence. Not just presidents.



(cont) I notice a lot of "armchair historians" like to be simple and think CN went downhill at the Boston Bomb scare in February 2007, when Jim Samples resigned. But in truth CN had been slowly inching towards mediocrity since around mid-2005.

When it comes to kid culture and cartoons, I think I can rather handily divide the mid-2000s into two parts:

June 2004-June 2005 school year: Awesome mid 2000s
June 2005-August 2006 school year: Mediocre mid 2000s
Agreed! The other executives at CN are another reason why the channel was and still is heading towards mediocrity. They need to be let go.

As for kid culture and cartoons of CN, I agree with your chart. I think I'm glad that I missed out on most of the mediocre mid 2000s. It would have not been fun if I saw the whole era.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/28/17 at 10:27 pm


As for kid culture and cartoons of CN, I agree with your chart. I think I'm glad that I missed out on most of the mediocre mid 2000s. It would have not been fun if I saw the whole era.

When did you "get out" of kid culture, so to speak? Do you remember the specific month?

June 2005-August 2006 was an increasingly mediocre time for cartoons and the kids networks, but there were some other great things in kid culture at the time, like some of the video games (Okami for one). Summer 2005 and summer 2006 were also great in my personal life.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/28/17 at 10:42 pm


Nice. Those videos captured CN in its prime, before it got kind of boring around mid-late 2005.

CN made a huge blunder canceling interesting high-quality shows like Megas Xlr, Samurai jack, and Duck Dodgers and replacing them with flat-out mediocre or meh shows like Camp Lazlo, My Gym Partner's a monkey, and Squirrel boy.


When did you "get out" of kid culture, so to speak? Do you remember the specific month?

June 2005-August 2006 was an increasingly mediocre time for cartoons and the kids networks, but there were some other great things in kid culture at the time, like some of the video games (Okami for one). Summer 2005 and summer 2006 were also great in my personal life.


(cont) I notice a lot of "armchair historians" like to be simple and think CN went downhill at the Boston Bomb scare in February 2007, when Jim Samples resigned. But in truth CN had been slowly inching towards mediocrity since around mid-2005.

When it comes to kid culture and cartoons, I think I can rather handily divide the mid-2000s into two parts:

June 2004-June 2005 school year: Awesome mid 2000s
June 2005-August 2006 school year: Mediocre mid 2000s


There was a management shift at Cartoon Network in late 2005, Genndy Tartakovsky mentioned this in his Adult Swim Q&A, and it was the reason why he left, because he was willing to do a season 5 of Samurai Jack then but the execs just didn't "get" his work, and did not renew his contract. So he packed his bags and moved over to Orphanage Animation.

This management shift clearly explains why CN began getting mediocre or meh around mid-late 2005 and this mediocrity was really noticeable by 2006. To be honest, a lot of people here like to assign blame on CN's presidents like Jim Samples, Stuart Snyder, or Christina Miller, but there are other executives at CN too who have an influence. Not just presidents.

I personally like Camp Lazlo and My Gym Parterner's a Monkey. Squirrel Boy was meh but not the worst thimg ever.

I actually don't think that cartoons were mediocre from 2005-2009....I notice a lot people born 1993-1996 like to saw the the world of awesome cartoons ended between 2004-2006....simply untrue. Look cartoons may not have been in its golden or silver age then and Cartoon Network wasn't at it's peak from 2005-2009 but it wasn't as bad as you're making it out to be.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/28/17 at 10:48 pm

That's expected. You're younger than us, so to you, 2005-2009 was a great time for cartoons. And to people who are even older than us, 1998-1999 was when cartoons went to sh*t (I've heard many a 32 year old praise early-mid 90s cartoons like Ren & Stimpy, while thinking late 90s ones like Spongebob were crap).

The truth is that we're all just bloviating nostalgically. But dammit, it's fun to do!

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/28/17 at 10:50 pm


When did you "get out" of kid culture, so to speak? Do you remember the specific month?

June 2005-August 2006 was an increasingly mediocre time for cartoons and the kids networks, but there were some other great things in kid culture at the time, like some of the video games (Okami for one). Summer 2005 and summer 2006 were also great in my personal life.
I think it was 2002-03 as I stopped following kid fads; however, I still watched kids networks (only Nicktoons, CN and Boomerang) up until 2015.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/28/17 at 10:54 pm


That's expected. You're younger than us, so to you, 2005-2009 was a great time for cartoons. And to people who are even older than us, 1998-1999 was when cartoons went to sh*t (I've heard many a 32 year old praise early-mid 90s cartoons like Ren & Stimpy, while thinking late 90s ones like Spongebob were crap).

The truth is that we're all just bloviating nostalgically. But dammit, it's fun to do!

Yeah, I guess you're right. I have been watching cartoons since 2001 (maybe even earlier) but after 2009 is when my interest in cartoons dropped dramatically. I have only watched 4-5 cartoons regularly in the past 7 years.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 04/29/17 at 10:31 am

I just noticed that I haven't commented in this 17-page thread at all. :o

I watched Cartoon Network for the first time in 1994, when one of my best friends got it on cable. CN was added to our cable in 1996, and I watched it fairly religiously from about 1996-2001, after which I "grew out" of it.

To me, Cartoon Network was at it's best in the late '90s. Back then, it had an amazing variety of programming. You had early Cartoon Cartoons like Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo and Cow & Chicken, action cartoons on Toonami, and classic Hanna Barbera stuff like The Flintstones, Yogi Bear and The Jetsons. It was really the best of all possible worlds. Plus, I love the random quirky stuff they used to do back then like their Super Bowl parody "The Big Game", and that CN presidential election thing they did in 2000.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/29/17 at 10:52 am


I just noticed that I haven't commented in this 17-page thread at all. :o

I watched Cartoon Network for the first time in 1994, when one of my best friends got it on cable. CN was added to our cable in 1996, and I watched it fairly religiously from about 1996-2001, after which I "grew out" of it.

To me, Cartoon Network was at it's best in the late '90s. Back then, it had an amazing variety of programming. You had early Cartoon Cartoons like Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo and Cow & Chicken, action cartoons on Toonami, and classic Hanna Barbera stuff like The Flintstones, Yogi Bear and The Jetsons. It was really the best of all possible worlds. Plus, I love the random quirky stuff they used to do back then like their Super Bowl parody "The Big Game", and that CN presidential election thing they did in 2000.
I agree with this. While 2001-04 CN was fantastic in its own way, the 1997-00 CN was much better. Now that I think about it, I don't remember seeing much of that random stuff after 2000. Now, I remember them having another CN presidential election in 2004, but it wasn't as big as the one from 2000. That would have awesome if those things lasted longer.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=fySgWGXOrjE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZ0WmbwjRuU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DvY3TwwLq_0]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5V-QsbEe2gg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vSEf9G_uRlU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mKMC9e31MjQ





Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/29/17 at 10:54 am


I just noticed that I haven't commented in this 17-page thread at all. :o

I watched Cartoon Network for the first time in 1994, when one of my best friends got it on cable. CN was added to our cable in 1996, and I watched it fairly religiously from about 1996-2001, after which I "grew out" of it.

To me, Cartoon Network was at it's best in the late '90s. Back then, it had an amazing variety of programming. You had early Cartoon Cartoons like Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo and Cow & Chicken, action cartoons on Toonami, and classic Hanna Barbera stuff like The Flintstones, Yogi Bear and The Jetsons. It was really the best of all possible worlds. Plus, I love the random quirky stuff they used to do back then like their Super Bowl parody "The Big Game", and that CN presidential election thing they did in 2000.

Awesome. I enjoyed your personal summation of Cartoon Network from 1996-2001. They also did that presidential election thing in 2004 8).

I personally watched Cartoon Network heavily from 2001 until 2009 (especially 2005-2009).

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 04/29/17 at 11:13 am


I agree with this. While 2001-04 CN was fantastic in its own way, the 1997-00 CN was much better. Now that I think about it, I don't remember seeing much of that random stuff after 2000. Now, I remember them having another CN presidential election in 2004, but it wasn't as big as the one from 2000. That would have awesome if those things lasted longer.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=fySgWGXOrjE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZ0WmbwjRuU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DvY3TwwLq_0]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5V-QsbEe2gg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vSEf9G_uRlU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mKMC9e31MjQ







I wish they had lasted longer as well. The Big Game was awesome as a kid. I actually got to the point around 1999 where I looked more forward to watching that than I did the Super Bowl itself. ;D I remember being really disappointed in early 2002 when they didn't do The Big Game XXX that year. Even though I was in high school by that point, The Big Game was such an awesome event that I had still planned on watching it again.


Awesome. I enjoyed your personal summation of Cartoon Network from 1996-2001. They also did that presidential election thing in 2004 8).

I personally watched Cartoon Network heavily from 2001 until 2009 (especially 2005-2009).


Thanks. ;)

Also, I feel like mid '90s Cartoon Network kind of gets the shaft sometimes, since that was before Toonami and Cartoon Cartoons, and a lot of kids still didn't have it on cable yet. We didn't get it until 1996, but I did get to watch pre-Powerhouse Era CN quite a bit over at the houses of my friends and cousins that did have it, and that was a very unique era in it's own right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EUNOnxY6IY

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/29/17 at 11:19 am


Thanks. ;)

Also, I feel like mid '90s Cartoon Network kind of gets the shaft sometimes, since that was before Toonami and Cartoon Cartoons, and a lot of kids still didn't have it on cable yet. We didn't get it until 1996, but I did get to watch pre-Powerhouse Era CN quite a bit over at the houses of my friends and cousins that did have it, and that was a very unique era in it's own right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EUNOnxY6IY

You're right but the reason why mid-'90s CN doesn't get as much love is because it was basically just the "Hanna-Barbera Network" for most of 1992-1996. 1996 was when Cartoon Network started to come into it's own (start of Dexter's Laboratory) and then 1997 was an even bigger year for Cartoon Network (Johnny Bravo, Cow & Chicken and Toonami all debuted in 1997 8)).

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/29/17 at 11:50 am


I wish they had lasted longer as well. The Big Game was awesome as a kid. I actually got to the point around 1999 where I looked more forward to watching that than I did the Super Bowl itself. ;D I remember being really disappointed in early 2002 when they didn't do The Big Game XXX that year. Even though I was in high school by that point, The Big Game was such an awesome event that I had still planned on watching it again.
Yeah, I feel you. Those were the events that made CN amazing aside from the cartoons and bumpers. It was all in one :). Man, I miss that variety so much. There hasn't been anything like that on CN since the random things were taken off the channel.

Oh, and what's unique is that we remember pre-TOM Toonami, some of the obscure Hanna-Barbera shows, pre-CCF fridays, and even pre-Adult Swim CN. How cool is that? ;D :D. These kids don't know what they missed! :D :D ;D

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/29/17 at 11:54 am


Yeah, I feel you. Those were the events that made CN amazing aside from the cartoons and bumpers. It was all in one :). Man, I miss that variety so much. There hasn't been anything like that on CN since the random things were taken off the channel.

Oh, and what's unique is that we remember pre-TOM Toonami, some of the obscure Hanna-Barbera shows, pre-CCF fridays, and even pre-Adult Swim CN. How cool is that? ;D :D. These kids don't know what they missed! :D :D ;D

It's not my fault that you're an old man ;D ;D ;D.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/29/17 at 12:02 pm


It's not my fault that you're an old man ;D ;D ;D.
Get off my lawn! ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/29/17 at 12:10 pm


Get off my lawn! ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)

Anyways, seriously though you and mach!ne_he@d are lucky to have gotten to seen Cartoon Network from 1996-2000. I did get see Cartoon Network when it was still good but it would have been even greater to see it in the late '90s.

The past 7 years I have only liked a few cartoons, they are (in no particular order):

1. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012-2017). New TMNT cartoon coming in 2018.
2. Young Justice (2010-2013). New season (Season 3) coming either later this year or in 2018.
3. Sym-Bionic Titan (2010-2011). Got cancelled because it didn't have a toy line >:(.
4. Samurai Jack (Season 5, 2017). It has been sooooo awesome :D 8).
5. Beware the Batman (2013-2014). It was actually decent.
6. Justice League Action (2016-present). It's actually a decent show but obviously not as good as Justice League (2001-2004) or Justice League Unlimited (2004-2006)

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/29/17 at 12:19 pm


Anyways, seriously though you and mach!ne_he@d are lucky to have gotten to seen Cartoon Network from 1996-2000. I did get see Cartoon Network when it was still good but it would have been even greater to see it in the late '90s.

The past 7 years I have only liked a few cartoons, they are (in no particular order):

1. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012-2017). New TMNT cartoon coming in 2018.
2. Young Justice (2010-2013). New season (Season 3) coming either later this year or in 2018.
3. Sym-Bionic Titan (2010-2011). Got cancelled because it didn't have a toy line >:(.
4. Samurai Jack (Season 5, 2017). It has been sooooo awesome :D 8).
5. Beware the Batman (2013-2014). It was actually decent.
6. Justice League Action (2016-present). It's actually a decent show but obviously not as good as Justice League (2001-2004) or Justice League Unlimited (2004-2006)
I don't blame you. I also only like a few cartoons on CN as well. There are a few mentioned that I haven't seen such as Beware the Batman and Justice League Action, but I've seen the rest. I've also seen Clarence, Steven Universe and We Bare Bears, and they are pretty good. Oh, and they're coming out with another TMNT? But, they just had one very recently.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/29/17 at 12:29 pm


I don't blame you. I also only like a few cartoons on CN as well. There are a few mentioned that I haven't seen such as Beware the Batman and Justice League Action, but I've seen the rest. I've also seen Clarence, Steven Universe and We Bare Bears, and they are pretty good. Oh, and they're coming out with another TMNT? But, they just had one very recently.

Beware the Batman only aired for a short time (from my 14th birthday (July 13, 2013) until September 28, 2014) and Justice League Action just started airing on CN on December 16, 2016 with new episodes airing now (there's actually a new one today).

The current TMNT series is in it's final season (this season (Season 5) has the show with a new theme song and retitled as "Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles"). The current season has been good so far...the season and series will come to an end later this year. Then, next year a brand new TMNT cartoon will come out, it's tentatively being called “Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles”. Here is an article: http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-reboot-2d-1202000951/

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 04/29/17 at 12:45 pm


Beware the Batman only aired for a short time (from my 14th birthday (July 13, 2013) until September 28, 2014) and Justice League Action just started airing on CN on December 16, 2016 with new episodes airing now (there's actually a new one today).

The current TMNT series is in it's final season (this season (Season 5) has the show with a new theme song and retitled as "Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles"). The current season has been good so far...the season and series will come to an end later this year. Then, next year a brand new TMNT cartoon will come out, it's tentatively being called “Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles”. Here is an article: http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-reboot-2d-1202000951/
Ah. Now I see. I'll check both of them out whenever I can. As for TMNT, I'll have to check out the new one when it comes next year.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 04/29/17 at 12:48 pm


Ah. Now I see. I'll check both of them out whenever I can. As for TMNT, I'll have to check out the new one when it comes next year.

Awesome 8).

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 04/30/17 at 6:45 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcX-igwsv_o

I noticed that Rebeltaxi, in his recent video on Total drama island, said 2006 through 2009 was the dark age of CN. But two of the shows he listed as part of the dark age were Camp Lazlo and My gym partner's a monkey, both of which premiered in 2005.

Then, shouldn't Camp Lazlo and My gym partner's a monkey, as much as some CN fans passionately hated Gym Partner (critics liked it though), be filed as GOLDEN AGE CN shows? Since they came out in 2005?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 04/30/17 at 7:23 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcX-igwsv_o

I noticed that Rebeltaxi, in his recent video on Total drama island, said 2006 through 2009 was the dark age of CN. But two of the shows he listed as part of the dark age were Camp Lazlo and My gym partner's a monkey, both of which premiered in 2005.

Then, shouldn't Camp Lazlo and My gym partner's a monkey, as much as some CN fans passionately hated Gym Partner (critics liked it though), be filed as GOLDEN AGE CN shows? Since they came out in 2005?


Well, most of Camp Lazlo and My Gym Partner's A Monkey's run was between 2006-2008. So he did say that since they were around more in the late 2000s. Also, what do you mean by 2005 as a golden age show? I really don't get it your Cartoon Network eras, unlike mqg96.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: YuYuYuuki on 05/02/17 at 8:32 pm

Does anyone besides me and my friend Jessica remember TOM 3 lifting weights during 2003 Toonami? Like there'd be this short bumper between shows where TOM was lifting a barbell laying down. Jessica loved that bumper.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 05/02/17 at 8:41 pm


Does anyone besides me and my friend Jessica remember TOM 3 lifting weights during 2003 Toonami? Like there'd be this short bumper between shows where TOM was lifting a barbell laying down. Jessica loved that bumper.
I do because I recall Tom 3 like it was yesterday.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/02/17 at 8:46 pm

Unlike Yuki I didn't have a crush on TOM 3, because I'm not a girl. But I can see why she would, because he was a badass and awesome character. 8)

Too bad they replaced him with TOM 4 who was really lame.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: YuYuYuuki on 05/03/17 at 1:42 pm


I do because I recall Tom 3 like it was yesterday.

Do you know if this bumper is anywhere on YouTube?

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 05/03/17 at 2:18 pm


Do you know if this bumper is anywhere on YouTube?
I typed it in, but I didn't get any results.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/03/17 at 3:04 pm


I know! I wish CN was still in its prime because it needs a true renaissance, not just a mini one.

I agree with Squirrel Boy and My Gym Partner's a Monkey, but Camp Lazlo was pretty good. :)

Meh it was ok. I found the humor to be kind of cheesy and lame compared to the sarcastic humor of Rocko's Modern Life.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 05/03/17 at 3:15 pm


Meh it was ok. I found the humor to be kind of cheesy and lame compared to the sarcastic humor of Rocko's Modern Life.
Well, for me Camp Lazlo wasn't meh; however, I agree it was second best to Rocko's Modern Life.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/03/17 at 5:44 pm


Meh it was ok. I found the humor to be kind of cheesy and lame compared to the sarcastic humor of Rocko's Modern Life.

I actually think both shows are pretty funny (Rocko's Modern Life & Camp Lazlo). Maybe, it's the fact that Camp Lazlo aired until 2008 that is clouding your mind :-X.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/03/17 at 5:50 pm


Maybe, it's the fact that Camp Lazlo aired until 2008 that is clouding your mind :-X.

Impossible. I think Chowder(season 1 mostly) is better than Camp Lazlo and that show premiered in 2007.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/03/17 at 5:54 pm


Impossible. I think Chowder(season 1 mostly) is better than Camp Lazlo and that show premiered in 2007.

Well in general, you basically hate the world of September 2006 ("late" 2006) until December 2009 ::).

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: YuYuYuuki on 05/03/17 at 8:28 pm


I typed it in, but I didn't get any results.

Do you know if it was used into April 2004? Because I remember it came on very sporadically. I remember Jessica and my other friends told me about it the first time we saw it (summer 2003?) "TOM lifted weights! I saw it with my very eyes!" etc

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 05/04/17 at 4:47 pm


Do you know if it was used into April 2004? Because I remember it came on very sporadically. I remember Jessica and my other friends told me about it the first time we saw it (summer 2003?) "TOM lifted weights! I saw it with my very eyes!" etc
I'm not sure because it's been a long time since I've seen the TOM 3 bumpers.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/05/17 at 9:36 pm


Johnny Test was alright, Flapjack was decent and so was My Gym Partner's a Monkey, Juniper Lee was OK. Teen Titans Go! though is trash, literally.

Speaking of that, Boomerang recently acknowledged Juniper Lee on their Facebook page. That shocked me; never thought CN would acknowledge that show again after they treated it so poorly.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/05/17 at 9:48 pm


Speaking of that, Boomerang recently acknowledged Juniper Lee on their Facebook page. That shocked me; never thought CN would acknowledge that show again after they treated it so poorly.

Yeah, that's great to hear.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/05/17 at 10:04 pm


By 2003 there was no point of calling the shows "Cartoon Cartoons" anymore because they were just picked up by the network itself and the animation/style had changed. Shows like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, or Camp Lazlo had no business being under the Cartoon Cartoon name since those were simply CN original series from scratch.

Good point, but I'm starting to wonder if CN ever really discontinued the Cartoon Cartoon brand, or if they still consider their shows Cartoon Cartoons but just don't SHOUT IT OUT in every commercial anymore. CN has honestly dropped some subtle hints that their post-2003 originals are indeed Cartoon Cartoons, but they're just not called Cartoon Cartoons very often.

For one, when the "Cartoon Cartoon Show" aired from 2005 to 2008, shows like Foster's, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, Lazlo, Gym Partner, and Squirrel Boy all aired on there. On top of that, all Cartoon Network originals produced after '03 have the Cartoon Network Logo on a black screen with light-blue sound waves coming out of it with the Cartoon Cartoon jingle in the background. Plus, in the Nood bumps, all CN originals (except Courage) had a remixed version of the Cartoon Cartoon jingle at the end.

So honestly, I'm starting to think CN never really got rid of the Cartoon Cartoon name per se, they just don't need it in the forefront anymore. When the moniker was introduced, its purpose was to distinguish CN's original shows from the reruns of 70s Hanna-Barbera shows. But now that CN is 98% Teen Titans Go original programming, the moniker's just redundant.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/05/17 at 10:08 pm

(cont) But again, the only one who knows the answer for sure is CN themselves.

Some of you guys live in Atlanta right? Well, maybe if CN is doing a tour of their building, you could try asking them there, if you got the chance.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/06/17 at 11:15 am


(cont) But again, the only one who knows the answer for sure is CN themselves.

Some of you guys live in Atlanta right? Well, maybe if CN is doing a tour of their building, you could try asking them there, if you got the chance.

Only mqg96 lives in Atlanta. mach!ne_he@d lives in Georgia but not near Atlanta.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 05/06/17 at 11:33 am


Only mqg96 lives in Atlanta. mach!ne_he@d lives in Georgia but not near Atlanta.


I thought mqg96 lives near Atlanta, not at Atlanta.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/06/17 at 11:44 am


I thought mqg96 lives near Atlanta, not at Atlanta.

Nah, mqg96 lives in the ATL.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 05/07/17 at 12:12 pm

I never really watched Cartoon Network. I mostly watched Nick GAS, Nickelodeon, and VHS tapes of certain shows as a kid.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 05/07/17 at 2:09 pm


I never really watched Cartoon Network. I mostly watched Nick GAS, Nickelodeon, and VHS tapes of certain shows as a kid.


I barely watched Cartoon Network throughout my childhood. I was also a Nickelodeon kid growing up.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/07/17 at 2:45 pm


I never really watched Cartoon Network. I mostly watched Nick GAS, Nickelodeon, and VHS tapes of certain shows as a kid.



I barely watched Cartoon Network throughout my childhood. I was also a Nickelodeon kid growing up.

For me its.....

2001-2002/2003: I was primarily a Nickeolodeon kid. I watched Nick Jr and all the Nick shows. Watched some Cartoon Network and Disney Channel.

2003/2004-2007: Primarily a Cartoon Network kid but I also watched Disney Channel, Nickelodeon, Jetix, 4Kids, PBS Kids, Kids' WB.

2008-2010: Primarily a Disney Channel kid as both CN and Nick lost my interest gradually. My viewership of 4Kids, PBS Kids, Jetix and Kids' WB (it moved to online) stopped during thid time period. However, my interest in Disney Channel also declined during this period.

2010-present: I have barely watched any kids channels.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: mqg96 on 05/07/17 at 4:48 pm


Nah, mqg96 lives in the ATL.


No, I actually live near Atlanta, or to be accurate, the "Atlanta Metropolitan area". Go look that up. I don't like giving my exact location on the internet, that's why I always put "Atlanta, GA" everywhere I sign up. I still visit Atlanta many times a week though, since my sister goes to college up there and a lot of my family lives close to the city like Fulton, Gwinnett and Dekalb counties.

Subject: Re: The Powerhouse Era (1997-2004) vs the Cartoon Network City Era (2004-2007)?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/07/17 at 5:09 pm


No, I actually live near Atlanta, or to be accurate, the "Atlanta Metropolitan area". Go look that up. I don't like giving my exact location on the internet, that's why I always put "Atlanta, GA" everywhere I sign up. I still visit Atlanta many times a week though, since my sister goes to college up there and a lot of my family lives close to the city like Fulton, Gwinnett and Dekalb counties.

OH OK....I thought that you actually lived in Atlanta, my bad. Well, I guess it's a good thing that you don't fully reveal your location.

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