If you're interested, here are some cool old videos about Millennials/Gen Y from way back when, before our identity was changed to avocados and hipsters and being mistaken for Gen Z. :)

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At least their identity isn't defined by Tide Pods.

You have any ones about our generation? ???

At least their identity isn't defined by Tide Pods.


and the "Cinnamon Challenge"! ::)

I saw the second one a few years ago and was exciting to see how Millennials were potentially portrayed as cool before they (we) were bashed continuously on a daily basis.


At least their identity isn't defined by Tide Pods.
They aren't, but some people are still trying put that trait on them while not even realizing very few people ate tide pods. The media blew the entire thing out of proportion. 

I saw the second one a few years ago and was exciting to see how Millennials were potentially portrayed as cool before they (we) were bashed continuously on a daily basis.
They aren't, but some people are still trying put that trait on them while not even realizing very few people ate tide pods. The media blew the entire thing out of proportion.

Yeah. Only 80 people in Gen Z ate tide pods statistically, yet people act like 80 million of them ate tide pods. Example:

https://i.imgur.com/ksj5cZA.jpg

I saw the second one a few years ago and was exciting to see how Millennials were potentially portrayed as cool before they (we) were bashed continuously on a daily basis.

Call me a pessimist I feel like if the 2020 recession comes true, some Millennials may finally snap and murder our politicians, :P after taking the beatings of endless debt, recessions, pointless wars, destruction of social norms, etc. The government and the media has failed us constantly since 9/11.

Yeah those videos are so 2000s it hurts. I actually found this old Wikipedia article talking about 'Generation Y' from 10 years ago.


https://web.archive.org/web/20080408123056/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials


Goes to show how different our generation (arguably) was portrayed back then. Heck one definition defined Millennials as those born from 1988-2008. That definition sounds like an alternate universe's version of an episode of The Twilight Zone ;D.

Call me a pessimist I feel like if the 2020 recession comes true, some Millennials may finally snap and murder our politicians, :P after taking the beatings of endless debt, recessions, pointless wars, destruction of social norms, etc. The government and the media has failed us constantly since 9/11.


Perhaps, but think of it like this. Just to assume that Millennials were born from 1982-2000, that means the oldest would be around 38 in 2020, inching towards 40. We wouldn't really be the youngest generation in America anymore (and more and more as each day passes currently in 2018, I'm even starting to feel a little less relevant). Maybe some crazies in our generation (the Richard Spencers/Anita Sarkesians in the world) may start to taking sh!t for the their own hands, but the vast majority of the generation would have grown out of that rebellious phase. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think it is starting to be the beginning of the end for the whole SJW/Alt Right Culture War as many of the people who brought that crap to the masses begins to grow out of it.

Yeah those videos are so 2000s it hurts. I actually found this old Wikipedia article talking about 'Generation Y' from 10 years ago.


https://web.archive.org/web/20080408123056/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials


Goes to show how different our generation (arguably) was portrayed back then. Heck one definition defined Millennials as those born from 1988-2008. That definition sounds like an alternate universe's version of an episode of The Twilight Zone ;D.

You don't need archive.org to see the revisions of that page. Just check out wikipedia's history tab:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Millennials&action=history

Here's one revision that I find interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Millennials&diff=next&oldid=149246531

Of note, this article lists Gen Y's spans as 1976-2001, 1978-2000, 1984-1994, etc., long before it was solidified/more defined. Also, because of the 1976 or 1978 starting date, the article lists Pee-wee's Playhouse, Transformers, He-Man, ThunderCats, Silverhawks, and 3-2-1 Contact as Gen Y childhood shows whereas nowadays, most people would definitely consider those shows Gen X and think the Y cartoon era didn't begin until Rugrats. The article also lists Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, and Disney Channel as being popular with Gen Y as late as 2007, again probably because of the 2000 or 2001 ending birth dates, whereas nowadays, most of us would definitely agree the Y era of watching kid channels began to get phased out around 2003/2004 and perished around 2006/2007. It also says Spongebob is the flagship cartoon of Gen Y in 2007, yet in hindsight we can see the post-2004 episodes were more gen z. It also says Hannah Montana and Drake and Josh are gen y sitcoms but in hindsight, we see that Hannah montana was more gen z and DnJ was YZ cusp.

Just goes to show how generation definitions change in hindsight, as more is learned or figured out, like unlocking a door or putting together the pieces to a puzzle. :P

You don't need archive.org to see the revisions of that page. Just check out wikipedia's history tab:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Millennials&action=history

Here's one revision that I find interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Millennials&diff=next&oldid=149246531

Of note, this article lists Gen Y's spans as 1976-2001, 1978-2000, 1984-1994, etc., long before it was solidified/more defined. Also, because of the 1976 or 1978 starting date, the article lists Pee-wee's Playhouse, Transformers, He-Man, ThunderCats, Silverhawks, and 3-2-1 Contact as Gen Y childhood shows whereas nowadays, most people would definitely consider those shows Gen X and think the Y cartoon era didn't begin until Rugrats. The article also lists Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, and Disney Channel as being popular with Gen Y as late as 2007, again probably because of the 2000 or 2001 ending birth dates, whereas nowadays, most of us would definitely agree the Y era of watching kid channels began to get phased out around 2003/2004 and perished around 2006/2007. It also says Spongebob is the flagship cartoon of Gen Y in 2007, yet in hindsight we can see the post-2004 episodes were more gen z. It also says Hannah Montana and Drake and Josh are gen y sitcoms but in hindsight, we see that Hannah montana was more gen z and DnJ was YZ cusp.

Just goes to show how generation definitions change in hindsight, as more is learned or figured out, like unlocking a door or putting together the pieces to a puzzle. :P


Yeah its pretty bizarre. It makes you wonder how the media will portray Millennials 5-10 years from now. The day TIME apologizes for this notorious hit piece on Millennials is the day when I'll officially feel old as dirt.


https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/1101130520_600.jpg?h=580


Imagine in 2033 TIME Magazine is like "We lied to you about Millennials, turns out that they're now the vast amount of CEOs, doctors, and investment bankers of today and WE DARE SAY IT, they're doing TREMENDOUSLY". ;D that seems like a pipe dream based on the current attitude being espoused about my generation.

Yeah its pretty bizarre. It makes you wonder how the media will portray Millennials 5-10 years from now. The day TIME apologizes for this notorious hit piece on Millennials is the day when I'll officially feel old as dirt.


https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/1101130520_600.jpg?h=580


Imagine in 2033 TIME Magazine is like "We lied to you about Millennials, turns out that they're now the vast amount of CEOs, doctors, and investment bankers of today and WE DARE SAY IT, they're doing TREMENDOUSLY". ;D that seems like a pipe dream based on the current attitude being espoused about my generation.



American Millennials will never be as successful as past generations were. It's not their fault, but rather the unjust consequences of the world around them.
A lot of blue, white, and even pink collar jobs are now being taken over by technology, CPG Grey a few years back made an interesting video titled "Humans Need Not Apply" about this subject. Not to mention, the US is currently 20 Trillion Dollars in Debt, and the economy is going to tank with it.
Case in point, both Millennials and Zeds are screwed, and even Xers are screwed to a degree since they won't receive the retirement benefits Boomers are getting.

The Baby Boomers are definitely the luckiest generation. They never experienced the Depression or WW2, they entered the workforce in a great economy, and began retiring around the time the recession happened, and get to enjoy the retirement benefits that the next generations won't.

American Millennials will never be as successful as past generations were. It's not their fault, but rather the unjust consequences of the world around them.
A lot of blue, white, and even pink collar jobs are now being taken over by technology, CPG Grey a few years back made an interesting video titled "Humans Need Not Apply" about this subject. Not to mention, the US is currently 20 Trillion Dollars in Debt, and the economy is going to tank with it.
Case in point, both Millennials and Zeds are screwed, and even Xers are screwed to a degree since they won't receive the retirement benefits Boomers are getting.

The Baby Boomers are definitely the luckiest generation. They never experienced the Depression or WW2, they entered the workforce in a great economy, and began retiring around the time the recession happened, and get to enjoy the retirement benefits that the next generations won't.


I agree 100%. Theres an interesting segment about the politics and economic situations pertaining to Millennials from Politicon 2017:

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Overall, regarding your political beliefs, its an interesting panel and how the generation is going to officially take the mantle and reigns of power.

Yeah. Only 80 people in Gen Z ate tide pods statistically, yet people act like 80 million of them ate tide pods. Example:

https://i.imgur.com/ksj5cZA.jpg

And thanks to that narrative, there have to be child locks on them to prevent kids from eating them again despite that children are smart not to eat tide pods or other inedible products anyway.


Call me a pessimist I feel like if the 2020 recession comes true, some Millennials may finally snap and murder our politicians, :P after taking the beatings of endless debt, recessions, pointless wars, destruction of social norms, etc. The government and the media have failed us constantly since 9/11.
That could all happen which I hope there's not another recession, but I wouldn't be surprised if some people end up going berzerk after being treated like dirt for so long.


Perhaps, but think of it like this. To assume that Millennials were born from 1982-2000, that means the oldest would be around 38 in 2020, inching towards 40. We wouldn't be the youngest generation in America anymore (and more and more as each day passes currently in 2018, I'm even starting to feel a little less relevant). Maybe some crazies in our generation (the Richard Spencers/Anita Sarkesians in the world) may start to take sh!t for their own hands, but the vast majority of the generation would have grown out of that rebellious phase. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think it is starting to be the beginning of the end for the whole SJW/Alt-Right Culture War as many of the people who brought that crap to the masses begins to grow out of it.
You know, I think it has begun too. I haven't heard anything about SJWs in the past year or so, but the Alt-Right, I still hear about them from to time. Still, it will be ending soon considering those people will be out of their rebellious phase and enter a new stage, and that American culture is already changing.


Yeah, it's pretty bizarre. It makes you wonder how the media will portray Millennials 5-10 years from now. The day TIME apologizes for this notorious hit piece on Millennials is the day when I'll officially feel old as dirt.


https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/1101130520_600.jpg?h=580


Imagine in 2033 TIME Magazine is like "We lied to you about Millennials, turns out that they're now the vast amount of CEOs, doctors, and investment bankers of today and WE DARE SAY IT, they're doing TREMENDOUSLY." ;D that seems like a pipe dream based on the current attitude espoused about my generation.
Maybe they will finally treat them as decent people like they always were and acknowledged they weren't that bad. As for the Time article, I read it some time ago, and now it seems they were wrong for making that piece. Nearly everything the author wrote was inaccurate than what he thought.



American Millennials will never be as successful as past generations were. It's not their fault, but rather the unjust consequences of the world around them.
A lot of blue, white, and even pink collar jobs are now being taken over by technology, CPG Grey a few years back made an entertaining video titled "Humans Need Not Apply" about this subject. Not to mention, the US is currently 20 Trillion Dollars in Debt, and the economy is going to tank with it.
Case in point, both Millennials and Zeds are screwed, and even Xers are screwed to a degree since they won't receive the retirement benefits Boomers are getting.

The Baby Boomers are the luckiest generation. They never experienced the Depression or WW2, they entered the workforce in a great economy and began retiring around the time the recession happened, and get to enjoy the retirement benefits that the next generations won't.
And so is the Silents. They generally didn't experience the Depression or WW2 either and were able to enter the job market as they grew up and the economy began to boom post-WW2.

Another interesting take on the Millennial Generation from 2013, so its 5 years old now:

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Ironically enough, this was what got me interested in generations in the first place. I remember my sociology teacher senior year showing this to my class and finding it 'intriguing' to say the least. But yeah even by 2018 standards this little video seems a bit dated to say the least. They weren't as critical on Millennials as recent articles/videos are these days and the overall vibe just screamed early 2010s (heck they were playing a remixed version of Kid Cudi's song 'Day N' Night' in the video, that's so 2012 ;D). Even in just a short 5 years, the perceptions on Millennials and their attitudes seemed to have changed.



Maybe they will finally treat them as decent people like they always were and acknowledged they weren't that bad. As for the Time article, I read it some time ago, and now it seems they were wrong for making that piece. Nearly everything the author wrote was inaccurate than what he thought.


I agree. More and more Millennials are starting to tie the not, have kids, and move out of their parent's basements & into the real world. Many Millennials are getting involved in Wall Street now (I can attest this living in the NY area, many friends I went to high school with are getting big time internships/jobs in firms like Goldman Sachs, Prudential Banking, Primerica, TD Ameritrade, etc.), graduating with masters education, getting big time deals for their artistic talents, etc. Cryptocurrency is also huge with this generation, I know a few buddies of mine who've been investing into that.

We got a long way to go, but we're certainly no longer the "Me Me Me Generation" (If we were REALLY ever that to begin with).


And so is the Silents. They generally didn't experience the Depression or WW2 either and were able to enter the job market as they grew up and the economy began to boom post-WW2.


I agree, in fact scratch that. I think Silents overall had it the best. They may have had a bit of a more depressing and less optimistic like childhood like their GI or Baby Boomer counterparts (Silents grew up during the midst of the Great Depression, WWII, & the McCarthyism Eras), but other than that their lives were relatively positive and up lifting. They came of age in the later 1940s & 1950s when the economy rapidly improved, racial integration was being pushed, and when modern day pop music (Rock n' Roll being the culprit back then) emerged. One could say they were the first modern day teenagers (like the cast of Grease).

They were the Civil Rights Leaders that helped bring justice and equality to minorities, women, & (to a lesser extent) the LGBTQ (think Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Malcom X, Gloria Steinem, John Lewis, Harvey Milk, and my man Bernie Sanders!), but they didn't handle the movements in a immature or an erratic fashion as their slightly younger Boomer counterparts did. They also entered the workforce during the peak of the New Deal Era policies being fully implemented and respected in the American economy (the top marginal rate for taxes in the 50s for high income workers was around 90%! BTW, during Dwight D. Eisenhower's presidency, a Republican), thus there was a strong safety net. Plus, due to the United States' position in the world, especially with half of Europe still under debris from the damage of WWII, the United States economic prospects were high for Silents.

They became the CEOs, managers, and executives of the 1970s & 1980s, and by the time they began to retire in the 1990s there was still a lot of money left in the institutions they paid into (Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.) that they could retire safely without any economic burden. That along with them still being young enough to be able to (sort of) adapt to much of the modern technology of the latter 20th century and early 21st century like PCs, the internet, video game consoles (you'd be surprised), & more recently with smartphones, and you got a generation that, overall, had a good life experience.

That's something not even the Baby Boomers can confidently say they could do or possess. I know so many Boomers on my job whom refuse to retire because of these burdening economic factors. The Silents are in all honesty the most lucky generation of the modern era, despite the chaotic world they were initially born into.

Yeah those videos are so 2000s it hurts.

What were your thoughts on each video individually? Did the music video get your blood pumping like it did mine?

Also, I'm curious Zelda: when you were in elementary school, did the teachers, news, friends, etc. refer to you as either Gen Y, or Gen Z?

What were your thoughts on each video individually? Did the music video get your blood pumping like it did mine?

Also, I'm curious Zelda: when you were in elementary school, did the teachers, news, friends, etc. refer to you as either Gen Y, or Gen Z?


I honestly don't remember. I remember a few times in middle school teachers calling us Gen Y, but once again, it was few and far between. I didn't start to hear the Gen Y/Millennial label more consistently until high school, in which most teachers called us the Millennials. Also, another interesting tid bit to note is that, due to growing up in the tri-state area all my life, my high school class (2014) was always referenced as the last to remember 9/11 significantly since we were in elementary school at the time.

I know it generally varies from person to person whether or not they remember 9/11 (especially for 1994-1996/7 borns), but most people I grew up with remember it either vividly, or at the very least, vaguely. That always sort of created a weird sort of generational gap between my peers and those only about a couple of years younger than us, despite them not being too different.

So, for us at least, its very jarring that most high school students now weren't even a twinkle in their parents eyes when the attacks took place, when we remember the event (while naively through the lens of a child) pretty vividly. Plus almost all of us were directly impacted by it for years to come due to living so close to it (having friends with loved ones who may have died in the attacks as an example). If you want to talk about generational gaps, that one comes to mind whenever teachers would talk about topics pertaining to sociology or history.

I'm dumbfounded that a lot of people don't know/deny Gen Y and Millennials are the same. Ever since high school (2013), I've known them to be the same. Yet you hear all these Facebook commenters in 2018 say things like "I'm 26 and I'm not a Millennial, I'm Gen Y, we had Nintendo 64 and played outside. I think of Millennials as those piece of sh*t kids born in 98 and later. What happened to Gen Y?"

Fools. How do they not know the definition of Millennials this late into the game? They've made fun of "Millennials" (really they were making fun of Gen Z) all their lives and then scream fake news when confronted with the truth.

Another interesting take on the Millennial Generation from 2013, so its 5 years old now:

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Ironically enough, this was what got me interested in generations in the first place. I remember my sociology teacher senior year showing this to my class and finding it 'intriguing' to say the least. But yeah even by 2018 standards this little video seems a bit dated. They weren't as critical on Millennials as recent articles/videos are these days and the overall vibe just screamed the early 2010s (heck they were playing a remixed version of Kid Cudi's song 'Day N' Night' in the video, that's so 2012 ;D). Even in just a short five years, the perceptions of Millennials and their attitudes seemed to have changed.


I agree. More and more Millennials are starting to tie the knot, have kids, and move out of their parent's basements & into the real world. Many Millennials are getting involved in Wall Street now. (I can attest this living in the NY area, many friends I went to high school with are getting big-time internships/jobs in firms like Goldman Sachs, Prudential Banking, Primerica, TD Ameritrade, etc.), graduating with masters education, getting big-time deals for their artistic talents, etc. Cryptocurrency is also huge with this generation. I know a few buddies of mine who've been investing into that.

We got a long way to go, but we're certainly no longer the "Me Me Me Generation" (If we were REALLY ever that to begin with).


I agree, in fact, scratch that. I think Silents overall had it the best. They may have had a bit of a more depressing and less optimistic like childhood like their GI or Baby Boomer counterparts (Silents grew up during the midst of the Great Depression, WWII, & the McCarthyism Eras), but other than that their lives were relatively positive and uplifting. They came of age in the later 1940s & 1950s when the economy rapidly improved, racial integration pushed into society, and when modern day pop music (Rock n' Roll as the culprit back then) emerged. One could say they were the first modern-day teenagers (like the cast of Grease).

They were the Civil Rights Leaders that helped bring justice and equality to minorities, women, & (to a lesser extent) the LGBTQ. (think Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Gloria Steinem, John Lewis, Harvey Milk, and my man Bernie Sanders!); however, they didn't handle the movements in an immature or an erratic fashion as their slightly younger Boomer counterparts did. They also entered the workforce during the peak of the New Deal Era policies being fully implemented and respected in the American economy. (the top marginal rate for taxes in the 50s for high-income workers was around 90%! BTW, during Dwight D. Eisenhower's presidency, a Republican), thus there was a strong safety net. Plus, due to the United States' position in the world, especially with half of Europe still under debris from the damage of WWII, the United States economic prospects were high for Silents.

They became the CEOs, managers, and executives of the 1970s & 1980s, and by the time they began to retire in the 1990s, there was still a lot of money left in the institutions they paid into as they worked. (Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.) They could retire safely without any economic burden.  Additionally, they were still young enough to be able to (sort of) adapt to much of the modern technology of the latter 20th century and early 21st century like PCs, the internet, video game consoles (you'd be surprised), & more recently with smartphones. You got a generation that, overall, had a good life experience.

That's something not even the Baby Boomers can confidently say they could do or possess. I know so many Boomers on my job who refuse to retire because of these burdening economic factors. The Silents are in all honesty the luckiest generation of the modern era, despite the chaotic world they were initially born into at the start.
Yeah, back in the early 10s, I don't recall Millennials being harshly attacked compared to now, but I think that has to do with the use of the term overtime as well as the traits associated with Millennials at that period. Like no one in the media called them the hipster and avocado eating generation in 2013.

Well, Millennials have been reaching those milestones for several years now. The typical member in the last few years would most likely already have children, own a home/apartment, have careers and be married since most have been out of college longer than 5-6 years. So far, I have friends who are at various stages. I have buddies who have children and are married. Then, I have amigos who are married but don't currently have kids. Then, I have pals who have children but are not married. Then, there's the rest who are still single and childless. Regarding home and careers, all my friends and others I know are at various stages with these as well. Some own a home/apartment and have jobs. Some are in the workforce, but still, live with family. The rest, are not in an occupation and live with family.  However, all my friends/former classmates and I are probably in the minority since we are in the transition phase between dependent and independent. OTT, I still agree with the rest of your post that we have a ton of time to catch up with everyone else.

Oh, and you did an excellent job on your Silent Generation analysis. That was better put together than I ever could. Yeah, that's something most people don't even realize. Excluding the economic depression they witnessed as children, and the time they served in the Korean War, most members generally had a magnificent life. They were mainly too young to fight in WWII and too old to endure the Vietnam War which gave them an edge. Then as you said, they had a superior economy which they worked their way up for with ease and that they didn't pay a ton of bills like we do today. Also, as they retired from work, they were able to take luxury vacations and rest peacefully in nursing homes without their money dwindling. It's funny how most folks say Boomers had it the easiest when in actuality, the Silents were the ones had it the best. There's a reason why Neil Howe (one of the authors of Millennials Rising book) nicknamed them the "Lucky Few" in the first place.

I'm dumbfounded that a lot of people don't know/deny Gen Y and Millennials are the same. Ever since high school (2013), I've known them to be the same. Yet you hear all these Facebook commenters in 2018 say things like "I'm 26 and I'm not a Millennial, I'm Gen Y, we had Nintendo 64 and played outside. I think of Millennials as those piece of sh*t kids born in 98 and later." Fools.


But those are just dumbasses on Facebook. I'm sure most people know that the terms are interchangeable. A simple google search for 'Millennials' will also present an alternative name as 'Generation Y', or vice versa. Also, why start the Millennial Generation at 1998? Even if you were dumbfounded in thinking Millennials are actually a code for people born in the 21st century, 1998ers were still born in the 90s and 20th century.

I'm dumbfounded that a lot of people don't know/deny Gen Y and Millennials are the same. Ever since high school (2013), I've known them to be the same. You hear all these Facebook commenters in 2018 saying things like "I'm 26, and I'm not a Millennial, I'm Gen Y, we had Nintendo 64 and played outside. I think of Millennials as those piece of sh*t kids born in 98 and later. What happened to Gen Y?"

Fools. How do they not know the definition of Millennials this late in the game? They've made fun of "Millennials" (really they were making fun of Gen Z) all their lives and then scream fake news when confronted with the truth.



But those are just dumbasses on Facebook. I'm sure most people know that the terms are interchangeable. A simple google search for 'Millennials' will also present an alternative name as 'Generation Y', or vice versa. Also, why start the Millennial Generation at 1998? Even if you were dumbfounded in thinking Millennials are actually a code for people born in the 21st century, 1998ers were still born in the 90s and 20th century.
I see those comments on FB all the time! (especially the ones that pertain to that they grew up with less technology and "good manners" compared to most of their peers, therefore, they can't be a Millennial) It's honestly funny because they don't know they're the Millennials. The ignorance is so unbelievable on there sometimes.

BaldEagleFalco/Tim stated this on Popedia, but I do share his viewpoint;

I feel like the editors on Encyclopedia Dramatica have very possibly seen the generationology debates here and on Personality Cafe.
Their opening statement on their "Gen Z" page states this;

"Generation Z is the cohort of people born from 1997 to 2012, although many argue this cancerous generation began in the mid to late 1990s. Using this starting range can often bring severe butthurt and lulz as many Z-fags try to deny their connection to what will probably grow up to be the worst generation on record. Scratch that, even these ******s cant top the Baby Boomers."

Encyclopedia dramatica is stupid.

Anyway, I was just taking a detour into the definition of Millennials. Let's not make the whole thread about that. Instead, I would like to know what you guys thought of Bill Strauss' predictions for the future in his Cspan video? Which ones came true and which ones didn't.

Encyclopedia dramatica is stupid.

Anyway, I was taking a detour into the definition of Millennials. Let's not make the whole thread about that. Instead, I would like to know what you guys thought of Bill Strauss' predictions for the future in his Cspan video? Which ones came true and which ones didn't.
Well, since I watched the video a few years ago, I would like to say he was mostly wrong on the Millennials and that's because he discussed them using the Millennial Rising book. On the other hand, he was right with Millennials being team-oriented and college educated.

BaldEagleFalco/Tim stated this on Popedia, but I do share his viewpoint;

I feel like the editors on Encyclopedia Dramatica have very possibly seen the generationology debates here and on Personality Cafe.
Their opening statement on their "Gen Z" page states this;

"Generation Z is the cohort of people born from 1997 to 2012, although many argue this cancerous generation began in the mid to late 1990s. Using this starting range can often bring severe butthurt and lulz as many Z-fags try to deny their connection to what will probably grow up to be the worst generation on record. Scratch that, even these ******s cant top the Baby Boomers."


I don't know if I should ask this, but do you still comment on YouTube videos?

And I'm starting to have that feeling too.

Yeah. Only 80 people in Gen Z ate tide pods statistically, yet people act like 80 million of them ate tide pods. Example:

https://i.imgur.com/ksj5cZA.jpg


Is it saying they eat avocados and ass? Cause the last word is blurred? ;D

BaldEagleFalco/Tim stated this on Popedia, but I do share his viewpoint;

I feel like the editors on Encyclopedia Dramatica have very possibly seen the generationology debates here and on Personality Cafe.
Their opening statement on their "Gen Z" page states this;

"Generation Z is the cohort of people born from 1997 to 2012, although many argue this cancerous generation began in the mid to late 1990s. Using this starting range can often bring severe butthurt and lulz as many Z-fags try to deny their connection to what will probably grow up to be the worst generation on record. Scratch that, even these ******s cant top the Baby Boomers."

That person doesn't sound any more mature than the very people he's bashing.

I didn't hear the term millennial till 2014, I always said Gen Y, but since the mid-10s the word millennial has been used to describe those who were born in the early 80s-mid-90s.  Millennials are typically seen as young, inexperienced and entitled which is a not as common as the media make it seem. Most millennials I know are just as traditional as the generations before them.  It's funny how Gen Xers are quick to say Millenials are born after 1980, but when they see a Millennial talking about "kids these days" or "back in our day" they quickly forget that Millenials aren't that young anymore. Justine even makes fun of Millenials not knowing what a stylus is even though she's an 86 born.

Is there any old videos about Gen Z? ???

Is there any old videos about Gen Z? ???
No, because they are barely starting to get recognized. There won't be any old videos of Gen Z until a decade from now.

No, because they are barely starting to get recognized. There won't be any old videos of Gen Z until a decade from now.

So nobody was talking about gen z in the early 2010s? ??? I doubt that

So nobody was talking about gen z in the early 2010s? ??? I doubt that
They were, but not much since there wasn't enough information about them. It was all about the Millennials.

They were, but not much since there wasn't enough information about them. It was all about the Millennials.
There was one video in 2013 where a 2005 born talk about gen z.

No, because they are barely starting to get recognized. There won't be any old videos of Gen Z until a decade from now.


What about our generation? ???

What about our generation? ???
Yeah, there should be videos about Gen X. You all have been in the media for a long time.

BaldEagleFalco/Tim stated this on Popedia, but I do share his viewpoint;

I feel like the editors on Encyclopedia Dramatica have very possibly seen the generationology debates here and on Personality Cafe.
Their opening statement on their "Gen Z" page states this;

"Generation Z is the cohort of people born from 1997 to 2012, although many argue this cancerous generation began in the mid to late 1990s. Using this starting range can often bring severe butthurt and lulz as many Z-fags try to deny their connection to what will probably grow up to be the worst generation on record. Scratch that, even these ******s cant top the Baby Boomers."

He's wrong.

Yeah, there's a lot of guys my age that talk about Gen Yers, even though they are part of the generation. Probably this is because the generation is often described more like Gen Zers since a lot of middle aged media figures don't bother to look this stuff up before commenting. As a 30 year old, if a guy my age hears a commentator talking about Gen Yers as kids that grew up with mobile phones and a broadband connection, he's going to assume that they are talking about an '00s born, so I would assume that's why so many Gen Yers talk down about their own generation.

Yeah, there's a lot of guys my age that talk about Gen Yers, even though they are part of the generation. Probably this is because the generation is often described more like Gen Zers since a lot of middle aged media figures don't bother to look this stuff up before commenting. As a 30 year old, if a guy my age hears a commentator talking about Gen Yers as kids that grew up with mobile phones and a broadband connection, he's going to assume that they are talking about the '00s born, so I would assume that's why so many Gen Yers talk down about their own generation.
Yea which is why the media should've never killed the Gen Y label because Gen Y was something to describe 80s borns are those who spent their childhood in the 90s and adolescence in the 00s.

Yea which is why the media should've never killed the Gen Y label because Gen Y was something to describe 80s borns are those who spent their childhood in the 90s and adolescence in the 00s.


Yeah, growing up before social media and kids having mobile phones is a huge part of Gen Y. That's why you could probably extened the generation at least up to the mid '90s since most kids that age would've had the bulk of their childhood before social media.

Yeah, growing up before social media and kids having mobile phones is a huge part of Gen Y. That's why you could probably extened the generation at least up to the mid '90s since most kids that age would've had the bulk of their childhood before social media.
Facts, as someone who's a 96 born I'm right on the cusp between Y/Z.  I feel like  people my age  had the leftovers from Gen Y and while pioneered Gen Z culture with social media and smartphones being popular the way they are since by the time we entered high school, smartphones and social media had already become normal whereas when we were kids it was the flip phone that was the king.

Yeah, there's a lot of guys my age that talk about Gen Yers, even though they are part of the generation. Probably this is because the generation is often described more like Gen Zers since a lot of middle aged media figures don't bother to look this stuff up before commenting. As a 30 year old, if a guy my age hears a commentator talking about Gen Yers as kids that grew up with mobile phones and a broadband connection, he's going to assume that they are talking about an '00s born, so I would assume that's why so many Gen Yers talk down about their own generation.

Woah there, don't you mean people your age talking down to Millennials? Since everyone thinks Gen Z are Millennials now, and nobody's saying Gen Y anymore. I even knew a 22 year old intern who thought she was too old to be a Millennial, she thought Millennials were high school kids.

Woah there, don't you mean people your age talking down to Millennials? Since everyone thinks Gen Z are Millennials now, and nobody's saying Gen Y anymore. I even knew a 22 year old intern who thought she was too old to be a Millennial, she thought Millennials were high school kids.
Yeah Millenals keep getting younger and younger in people's eyes. 5 years ago it was generally agreed upon that anyone who finished high school post-Y2K is a Millenal now it's just anyone who's young and inexperienced.

Yeah, there's a lot of guys my age that talk about Gen Yers, even though they are part of the generation. Probably this is because the generation is often described more like Gen Zers since a lot of middle-aged media figures don't bother to look this stuff up before commenting. As a 30-year-old, if a guy my age hears a commentator talking about Gen Yers as kids that grew up with mobile phones and a broadband connection, he's going to assume that they are talking about the '00s born, so I would assume that's why so many Gen Yers talk down about their generation.
Well hopefully, those middle-aged media figures realize that soon that Gen Yers and Zers are not the same. The former largely grew up in a time before the broadband internet, and cell phones became standard while the latter grew up along with them.


Yeah, growing up before social media and kids having mobile phones is a huge part of Gen Y. That's why you could probably extend the generation at least up to the mid-'90s since most kids that age would've had the bulk of their childhood before social media.
I agree with this too. Those factors as well remembering 9/11 (and the time before the event), witnessing the two disastrous wars and impacted by the 2008 economic recession are key components to being a Yer.


Yea which is why the media should've never killed the Gen Y label because Gen Y was something to describe 80s borns are those who spent their childhood in the 90s and adolescence in the 00s.
That term was doing to declined anyway considering that it was originally a placeholder until new and better came along (which was the Millennial designation). Besides, the latter word has meant this generation since 2000 although the media didn't constantly use it until a few years ago.


Yeah, Millennials keep getting younger and younger in people's eyes. Five years ago it was generally agreed upon that anyone who finished high school post-Y2K is a Millennial now it's just anyone who's young and inexperienced.
I hope that mindset gets changed soon. Millennials are getting older each year with the oldest one already near 40. It's getting frustrating since no generation stays the same.

Yeah, there should be videos about Gen X. You all have been in the media for a long time.


It's like we're almost ignored.

It's like we're nearly ignored.
I know, but one day your generation will be back on top. I expect that will happen in the next decade since more of them will be in political positions as the boomers retire from them.

It's like we're almost ignored.
Lolm right the media just group you guys with boomers who are old and out of touch.

Yeah, growing up before social media and kids having mobile phones is a huge part of Gen Y. That's why you could probably extened the generation at least up to the mid '90s since most kids that age would've had the bulk of their childhood before social media.


I must disagree with this quickly ;D

Myspace started in '03 when I was 13 and facebook started in '04 when I was 14.

So I did in fact grow up with social media ;)

I must disagree with this quickly ;D

Myspace started in '03 when I was 13 and facebook started in '04 when I was 14.

So I did in fact grow up with social media ;)


I think what he was referring to was growing up with cell phones & social media in childhood, rather than teenhood. If that were the case, almost everybody in Gen Y would've grew up with social media as it became big in 2005-2006 when most Gen Yers were in middle school/high school.

My take is that if you spent all (or most) of your childhood in the Web 1.0 era, than you're likely a Gen Yer, while if you spent most of your childhood in the Web 2.0 Era (or most) than you're likely a Gen Zer. Many attribute the Web 1.0 Era as being from 1991 through 2004, and the Web 2.0 Era from 2005-Present. However, there is a bit of a cusp period in the mid 2000s as dial up usage and Broadband/DSL usage is simultaneously phased out/in but in a gradual sense, social media begins to take off, and Wifi starts to become more readily available. In other areas of technology this was also around the time when touch screen technology became big, HDTVs were becoming common (granted pre LCD technology, this was the prime for Plasma TVs), and cell phones were becoming common (especially the flip phone design that was ever more popularized through the Motorola Razr's mass popularity).

The official crossover, IMO, is around 2007 when the iPhone is officially released, dial up is practically a thing of the past, streaming/downloading music begins to take over sales of traditional physical formats, Blu-Ray v. HD-DVD format war is at its peak (with Blu- Ray subsequently winning), among other major technological trends.

Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web in March of 1989, but it wasn't officially released to the public until 1991. So even though commercial internet did not exist, it did already technically exist, along with PCs starting to become common in people's households, video game consoles becoming a mainstay with the peak in popularity of the NES & Sega Genesis being first released, Gameboys are also released in 89', along with VCRs being common at this point & video rental stores like Blockbuster beginning to hit the mass markets across the country. So similar to the cusp period between 2004-2007, give or take, between the transition of Web 1.0 Era technology (which defined the childhoods of Gen Y) to the Web 2.0 Era Technology (which defined/defines the childhoods of Gen Z), the period between 1988-1991 is another similar cusp period with the technology of the analog era (which defined the childhoods of both Boomers & Xers) transitioning to the early electronic/Web 1.0 Era (the subsequent childhoods of Gen Yers).

Thus we could formulate a rough but decent analysis on who grew up during which era of technology. Using the theory on peak childhood (ages 7-8 being the absolute 'soul' of one's childhood, or simply from an American perspective when someone was in the 2nd Grade) we can make a bit of a graph on the eras of childhood for different generations using the impact of technology as a guide:

Born Late 1980 to Mid 1983: Gen X/Y Cusps - Peak Childhoods from Late 1988 to Mid 1991 during the Analog to Digital/Web 1.0 Transition

Born Late 1983 to Mid 1987: Early Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods during the early days of the World Wide Web from 1991-1995 prior to the release of Windows 95

Born Late 1987 to Mid 1992: Core Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods during the core Windows 95/98/00 Days, when AOL rose in popularity, and prior to internet global usage rates hitting the 50% threshold for the first time in 2000, so prior from 1995-2000

Born Late 1992 to Mid 1996: Late Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods post 50% Global Internet Usage rates and during the peak in popularity for Windows XP, but prior to DSL/Broadband overtaking Dial Up usage in mid 2004, so from 2000-2004

Born Late 1996 to Mid 1999: Gen Y/Z Cusps - Peak Childhoods post DSL/Broadband overtaking Dial Up in national usage and during the time that social media rose immensely in popularity, Wikis became popular, YouTube was launched, & modern web design came to fruition; but this was prior to the release of the iPhone which truly changed the game on how the internet could be utilized, and before online gaming became big in the Late 2000s due to the popularity of 7th Generation consoles, so from 2004-2007

Born Late 1999 to present: Gen Z - Peak Childhoods in a post Web 2.0/iPhone world. First truly modern era of kids, pertaining to technology. So Late 2007 to the present.

I think what he was referring to was growing up with cell phones & social media in childhood, rather than teenhood. If that were the case, almost everybody in Gen Y would've grew up with social media as it became big in 2005-2006 when most Gen Yers were in middle school/high school.

My take is that if you spent all (or most) of your childhood in the Web 1.0 era, than you're likely a Gen Yer, while if you spent most of your childhood in the Web 2.0 Era (or most) than you're likely a Gen Zer. Many attribute the Web 1.0 Era as being from 1991 through 2004, and the Web 2.0 Era from 2005-Present. However, there is a bit of a cusp period in the mid 2000s as dial up usage and Broadband/DSL usage is simultaneously phased out/in but in a gradual sense, social media begins to take off, and Wifi starts to become more readily available. In other areas of technology this was also around the time when touch screen technology became big, HDTVs were becoming common (granted pre LCD technology, this was the prime for Plasma TVs), and cell phones were becoming common (especially the flip phone design that was ever more popularized through the Motorola Razr's mass popularity).

The official crossover, IMO, is around 2007 when the iPhone is officially released, dial up is practically a thing of the past, streaming/downloading music begins to take over sales of traditional physical formats, Blu-Ray v. HD-DVD format war is at its peak (with Blu- Ray subsequently winning), among other major technological trends.

Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web in March of 1989, but it wasn't officially released to the public until 1991. So even though commercial internet did not exist, it did already technically exist, along with PCs starting to become common in people's households, video game consoles becoming a mainstay with the peak in popularity of the NES & Sega Genesis being first released, Gameboys are also released in 89', along with VCRs being common at this point & video rental stores like Blockbuster beginning to hit the mass markets across the country. So similar to the cusp period between 2004-2007, give or take, between the transition of Web 1.0 Era technology (which defined the childhoods of Gen Y) to the Web 2.0 Era Technology (which defined/defines the childhoods of Gen Z), the period between 1988-1991 is another similar cusp period with the technology of the analog era (which defined the childhoods of both Boomers & Xers) transitioning to the early electronic/Web 1.0 Era (the subsequent childhoods of Gen Yers).

Thus we could formulate a rough but decent analysis on who grew up during which era of technology. Using the theory on peak childhood (ages 7-8 being the absolute 'soul' of one's childhood, or simply from an American perspective when someone was in the 2nd Grade) we can make a bit of a graph on the eras of childhood for different generations using the impact of technology as a guide:

Born Late 1980 to Mid 1983: Gen X/Y Cusps - Peak Childhoods from Late 1988 to Mid 1991 during the Analog to Digital/Web 1.0 Transition

Born Late 1983 to Mid 1987: Early Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods during the early days of the World Wide Web from 1991-1995 prior to the release of Windows 95

Born Late 1987 to Mid 1992: Core Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods during the core Windows 95/98/00 Days, when AOL rose in popularity, and prior to internet global usage rates hitting the 50% threshold for the first time in 2000, so prior from 1995-2000

Born Late 1992 to Mid 1996: Late Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods post 50% Global Internet Usage rates and during the peak in popularity for Windows XP, but prior to DSL/Broadband overtaking Dial Up usage in mid 2004, so from 2000-2004

Born Late 1996 to Mid 1999: Gen Y/Z Cusps - Peak Childhoods post DSL/Broadband overtaking Dial Up in national usage and during the time that social media rose immensely in popularity, Wikis became popular, YouTube was launched, & modern web design came to fruition; but this was prior to the release of the iPhone which truly changed the game on how the internet could be utilized, and before online gaming became big in the Late 2000s due to the popularity of 7th Generation consoles, so from 2004-2007

Born Late 1999 to present: Gen Z - Peak Childhoods in a post Web 2.0/iPhone world. First truly modern era of kids, pertaining to technology. So Late 2007 to the present.


This is a great breakdown!
Plus, those of us in the HS Classes of 2015, 2016 & 2017 are the cohort that started compulsory school (K-12) post-9/11 but graduated pre-Parkland and Walk Out Protests, which in many ways is the first event where Generation Z is making a name for themselves.

Anyways, I'm gonna cut the generationology discussion here, since the OP stated he doesn't want the thread to segway into that, but I agree with your analysis nonetheless.

This is a great breakdown!
Plus, those of us in the HS Classes of 2015, 2016 & 2017 are the cohort that started compulsory school (K-12) post-9/11 but graduated pre-Parkland and Walk Out Protests, which in many ways is the first event where Generation Z is making a name for themselves.

Anyways, I'm gonna cut the generationology discussion here, since the OP stated he doesn't want the thread to segway into that, but I agree with your analysis nonetheless.


I agree 100%. I've always viewed Late 90s borns as the ultimate Y/Z cusps, and for good reason. Because their core childhoods in the Mid 2000s and the Mid 2010s occurred during times of rapid change, so it was never clear cut on where they would fall. From a cultural perspective, I see 1997 borns as more Y, 1999 as more Z, and 1998 being evenly split, but the lines are overall still blurry, and thus its ultimately a choice to choice decision on where one belongs.

But, from a sociological/demographic perspective I see all of you guys as Millennials (including 2000 borns), but just the Late Wave of it (kind of like the 'Generation Jones' for Millennials). Too young too remember 9/11, but old enough to clearly remember a pre iPhone/Global Recession World. I actually think remembering life before smartphones/the Great Recession is more crucial from a sociological perspective than 9/11, especially when taking into account Neil-Strauss's theory on Generations which places the end of the generation as anybody who was old enough to remember life before the Fourth Turning or aka the start of Crisis. For GIs that was the 1929 Crash, and for Millennials that was the 2008 Crash.

Hence why I am also comfortable in calling anybody upto 2000 a Millennial in that regard, but of course everybody has their own opinions. However, it is interesting that the U.S Census defines Millennials as those born from 1982-2000, so it is something to consider.

I agree 100%. I've always viewed Late 90s borns as the ultimate Y/Z cusps, and for good reason. Because their core childhoods in the Mid 2000s and the Mid 2010s occurred during times of rapid change, so it was never clear cut on where they would fall. From a cultural perspective, I see 1997 borns as more Y, 1999 as more Z, and 1998 being evenly split, but the lines are overall still blurry, and thus its ultimately a choice to choice decision on where one belongs.

But, from a sociological/demographic perspective I see all of you guys as Millennials (including 2000 borns), but just the Late Wave of it (kind of like the 'Generation Jones' for Millennials). Too young too remember 9/11, but old enough to clearly remember a pre iPhone/Global Recession World. I actually think remembering life before smartphones/the Great Recession is more crucial from a sociological perspective than 9/11, especially when taking into account Neil-Strauss's theory on Generations which places the end of the generation as anybody who was old enough to remember life before the Fourth Turning or aka the start of Crisis. For GIs that was the 1929 Crash, and for Millennials that was the 2008 Crash.

Hence why I am also comfortable in calling anybody upto 2000 a Millennial in that regard, but of course everybody has their own opinions. However, it is interesting that the U.S Census defines Millennials as those born from 1982-2000, so it is something to consider.

Didn't the Great Recession start in December 2007?

I think what he was referring to was growing up with cell phones & social media in childhood, rather than teenhood. If that were the case, almost everybody in Gen Y would've grew up with social media as it became big in 2005-2006 when most Gen Yers were in middle school/high school.

My take is that if you spent all (or most) of your childhood in the Web 1.0 era, than you're likely a Gen Yer, while if you spent most of your childhood in the Web 2.0 Era (or most) than you're likely a Gen Zer. Many attribute the Web 1.0 Era as being from 1991 through 2004, and the Web 2.0 Era from 2005-Present. However, there is a bit of a cusp period in the mid 2000s as dial up usage and Broadband/DSL usage is simultaneously phased out/in but in a gradual sense, social media begins to take off, and Wifi starts to become more readily available. In other areas of technology this was also around the time when touch screen technology became big, HDTVs were becoming common (granted pre LCD technology, this was the prime for Plasma TVs), and cell phones were becoming common (especially the flip phone design that was ever more popularized through the Motorola Razr's mass popularity).

The official crossover, IMO, is around 2007 when the iPhone is officially released, dial up is practically a thing of the past, streaming/downloading music begins to take over sales of traditional physical formats, Blu-Ray v. HD-DVD format war is at its peak (with Blu- Ray subsequently winning), among other major technological trends.

Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web in March of 1989, but it wasn't officially released to the public until 1991. So even though commercial internet did not exist, it did already technically exist, along with PCs starting to become common in people's households, video game consoles becoming a mainstay with the peak in popularity of the NES & Sega Genesis being first released, Gameboys are also released in 89', along with VCRs being common at this point & video rental stores like Blockbuster beginning to hit the mass markets across the country. So similar to the cusp period between 2004-2007, give or take, between the transition of Web 1.0 Era technology (which defined the childhoods of Gen Y) to the Web 2.0 Era Technology (which defined/defines the childhoods of Gen Z), the period between 1988-1991 is another similar cusp period with the technology of the analog era (which defined the childhoods of both Boomers & Xers) transitioning to the early electronic/Web 1.0 Era (the subsequent childhoods of Gen Yers).

Thus we could formulate a rough but decent analysis on who grew up during which era of technology. Using the theory on peak childhood (ages 7-8 being the absolute 'soul' of one's childhood, or simply from an American perspective when someone was in the 2nd Grade) we can make a bit of a graph on the eras of childhood for different generations using the impact of technology as a guide:

Born Late 1980 to Mid 1983: Gen X/Y Cusps - Peak Childhoods from Late 1988 to Mid 1991 during the Analog to Digital/Web 1.0 Transition

Born Late 1983 to Mid 1987: Early Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods during the early days of the World Wide Web from 1991-1995 prior to the release of Windows 95

Born Late 1987 to Mid 1992: Core Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods during the core Windows 95/98/00 Days, when AOL rose in popularity, and prior to internet global usage rates hitting the 50% threshold for the first time in 2000, so prior from 1995-2000

Born Late 1992 to Mid 1996: Late Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods post 50% Global Internet Usage rates and during the peak in popularity for Windows XP, but prior to DSL/Broadband overtaking Dial Up usage in mid 2004, so from 2000-2004

Born Late 1996 to Mid 1999: Gen Y/Z Cusps - Peak Childhoods post DSL/Broadband overtaking Dial Up in national usage and during the time that social media rose immensely in popularity, Wikis became popular, YouTube was launched, & modern web design came to fruition; but this was prior to the release of the iPhone which truly changed the game on how the internet could be utilized, and before online gaming became big in the Late 2000s due to the popularity of 7th Generation consoles, so from 2004-2007

Born Late 1999 to present: Gen Z - Peak Childhoods in a post Web 2.0/iPhone world. First truly modern era of kids, pertaining to technology. So Late 2007 to the present.
I always thought we're in web 3.0 since everything is driven by apps and smartphones whereas in 2005 it was all about having a website.

Didn't the Great Recession start in December 2007?


Technically, but I'm mainly referring to the Stock Market Crash of 2008 which solidified the fact that we were in a recession. It also led to a unpopular bank bailout for the major financial institutions, Obama's landslide victory over McCain in which campaigned aggressively to go after the sharks on Wall Street (he ultimately failed to do so) and massive layoffs from big time corporations to 'Mom & Pop' Shops across the country and the world. Hence why Late 2008 through 2009 was the worst of the recession, and those in the High School Class of 2018 were technically the last to have the bulk of their childhoods spent prior.



I always thought we're in web 3.0 since everything is driven by apps and smartphones whereas in 2005 it was all about having a website.


That's a really good point. I've heard of the concept of Web 3.0, but have never been really able to fully figure out what it means besides the standardized popularity of smartphones.

Technically, but I'm mainly referring to the Stock Market Crash of 2008 which solidified the fact that we were in a recession. It also led to a unpopular bank bailout for the major financial institutions, Obama's landslide victory over McCain in which campaigned aggressively to go after the sharks on Wall Street (he ultimately failed to do so) and massive layoffs from big time corporations to 'Mom & Pop' Shops across the country and the world. Hence why Late 2008 through 2009 was the worst of the recession, and those in the High School Class of 2018 were technically the last to have the bulk of their childhoods spent prior.
Because I was always confused why they called it the "2008 recession" when it technically started in 2007, but then again I guess I could see why because it started in December, so 2007 was pretty much over by then.  ;D

I agree 100%. I've always viewed Late 90s borns as the ultimate Y/Z cusps, and for good reason. Because their core childhoods in the Mid 2000s and the Mid 2010s occurred during times of rapid change, so it was never clear cut on where they would fall. From a cultural perspective, I see 1997 borns as more Y, 1999 as more Z, and 1998 being evenly split, but the lines are overall still blurry, and thus its ultimately a choice to choice decision on where one belongs.

But, from a sociological/demographic perspective I see all of you guys as Millennials (including 2000 borns), but just the Late Wave of it (kind of like the 'Generation Jones' for Millennials). Too young too remember 9/11, but old enough to clearly remember a pre iPhone/Global Recession World. I actually think remembering life before smartphones/the Great Recession is more crucial from a sociological perspective than 9/11, especially when taking into account Neil-Strauss's theory on Generations which places the end of the generation as anybody who was old enough to remember life before the Fourth Turning or aka the start of Crisis. For GIs that was the 1929 Crash, and for Millennials that was the 2008 Crash.

Hence why I am also comfortable in calling anybody upto 2000 a Millennial in that regard, but of course everybody has their own opinions. However, it is interesting that the U.S Census defines Millennials as those born from 1982-2000, so it is something to consider.


What are your thoughts on 2001 and 2002 borns from a sociological perspective, who were already at elementary school when the 2008 Crash/Great Recession took place?

Because I was always confused why they called it the "2008 recession" when it technically started in 2007, but then again I guess I could see why because it started in December, so 2007 was pretty much over by then.  ;D


Lol pretty much. However, FWIW, there were already many red flags for much of 2007 that there was an iceberg on the horizon. The Iraq War raged on (especially with the recent Surge) and thus there was billions of our tax payer money being spent on this treacherous quagmire. This also led to an oil shock in the Middle East that led to our dollar becoming weaker and gas prices soaring through the roof. Our deficit grew to astronomical records by 2007 due to record low taxes and a massive build up of our military and 'deep state' institutions due to the 'War on Terror'. Finally the Housing Bubble Collapsed in 2007 which was the start of massive foreclosures and people not being able to payback their debt. So 2007 was the start of things going south, but it wasn't until December of 2007 (so practically 2008) when it was officially dubbed a recession.

What are your thoughts on 2001 and 2002 borns from a sociological perspective, who were already at elementary school when the 2008 Crash/Great Recession took place?


They're borderline. Its important to note that the Howe theory actually extends the generation upto 2004 borns because they could potentially remember the Crash. Personally though, I think its a bit too liberal. Its still too early to tell, because those born in the early 2000s are still pretty young. However, IMO, I think from a demographic perspective the Millennial Generation should end in 2000, maybe 2001 but at the latest.

Whats weird to consider is that the Stock Market Crash of 2008 occurred in September, the same month that 9/11 occurred. For argument's sake, lets say the absolute cutoff of Millennials is September 10th, 2001, right before the world would change forever. That means even using the peak childhood theory (ages 7-8) those born on September 10th of 2001 would've turned 7 in September of 2008 right before the Stock Market Crash of 2008.

Granted its VERY, borderline by that point, because they essentially just turned 7 right before the world economy collapsed, and they would've spent the rest of their peak childhood (and their core childhood in general) post September of 2008. But, if one were to say that one could be either ages 7 & or 8 prior to a major cultural 'Turning' to be considered part of a certain generation, then that means those born in September 10th of 2001 (and even all of September 2001 theoretically, since most school cutoffs for the next grade are typically October 1st) could technically be considered the very last of the Millennials.

Using that metric, Early & Mid 2001 borns (so essentially the Class of 2019) are the very last Millennials. Those born in October of 2001 and onwards are the first true members of Generation Z (or how Howe dubs them, The Homelanders). This also, ironically, coincides with my own personal theory on generations, as I see the Class of 2019 Z at the end of the day, but the last of the Y/Z Cusps.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you've posted here, but specifically wanted to comment on the Gen Y Web 2.0 stuff. I was 16 when MySpace launched, and 17 when Facebook launched, but honestly neither of them became particularly popular until after I had started college. To me, that's a big part of being Peak Gen Y is that you had to adapt to the popularity of social media during your later teen years. Most guys around my age were either finished with their senior year, or starting it when social media started becoming relevant during 2005.

When it comes to the childhood stuff, I'd say that most Peak Gen Yers had a childhood that was largely computer free. That might be something that goes against what's commonly concluded, but, as you pointed out, it wasn't until the early '00s that the United States achieved 50% online access, but even when it comes to computers themselves, I'm pretty sure that as late as 1998 it was less than 40% of the population that even owned a computer. My parents did not get their first computer until I was 12 years old, and that was fairly common for my age group. Guys my age are the last group to have spent the majority of their childhood likely without a computer.

I agree 100%. I've always viewed Late 90s borns as the ultimate Y/Z cusps, and for good reason. Because their core childhoods in the Mid 2000s and the Mid 2010s occurred during times of rapid change, so it was never clear cut on where they would fall. From a cultural perspective, I see 1997 borns as more Y, 1999 as more Z, and 1998 being evenly split, but the lines are overall still blurry, and thus its ultimately a choice to choice decision on where one belongs.

But, from a sociological/demographic perspective I see all of you guys as Millennials (including 2000 borns), but just the Late Wave of it (kind of like the 'Generation Jones' for Millennials). Too young too remember 9/11, but old enough to clearly remember a pre iPhone/Global Recession World. I actually think remembering life before smartphones/the Great Recession is more crucial from a sociological perspective than 9/11, especially when taking into account Neil-Strauss's theory on Generations which places the end of the generation as anybody who was old enough to remember life before the Fourth Turning or aka the start of Crisis. For GIs that was the 1929 Crash, and for Millennials that was the 2008 Crash.

Hence why I am also comfortable in calling anybody upto 2000 a Millennial in that regard, but of course everybody has their own opinions. However, it is interesting that the U.S Census defines Millennials as those born from 1982-2000, so it is something to consider.

I agree. People born in the late 90s may not, for the most part, remember 9/11 which some say is a qualification to being Gen Y. That being said though, we all agreed here that Gen Y kid culture wasn't fully ended until 2006, so late 90s borns could've still immersed themselves in a Y early childhood. My brother was born in 99 and collected a lot of Yugioh cards, watched the show Rocket power, and played a lot of original Xbox (late Gen Y); he also loved the game Spore, collected Bakugan, and watched Total Drama Island later in his childhood (early Gen Z).

I agree. People born in the late 90s may not, for the most part, remember 9/11 which some say is a qualification to being Gen Y. That being said though, we all agreed here that Gen Y kid culture wasn't fully ended until 2006, so late 90s borns could've still immersed themselves in a Y early childhood. My brother was born in 99 and collected a lot of Yugioh cards, watched the show Rocket power, and played a lot of original Xbox (late Gen Y); he also loved the game Spore, collected Bakugan, and watched Total Drama Island later in his childhood (early Gen Z).
I'll say 2005 is the first gen z childhood year since it was the year youtube, Xbox 360, Suite Life of Zack and Cody came out and the DS had already been out.  Most Gen Y'ers were already were teens by that point so I think 2003 was the last true Y childhood year.

I'll say 2005 is the first gen z childhood year since it was the year youtube, Xbox 360, Suite Life of Zack and Cody came out and the DS had already been out.  Most Gen Y'ers were already were teens by that point so I think 2003 was the last true Y childhood year.


IMO;

2003 = Last Firm Y Childhood Year
2004 = Y/Z significantly leaning Y
2005 = Y/Z leaning Y
2006 = Y/Z 50/50
2007 = Y/Z leaning Z
2008 = Y/Z significantly leaning Z
2009 = First Firm Z Childhood Year

I'll say 2005 is the first gen z childhood year since it was the year youtube, Xbox 360, Suite Life of Zack and Cody came out and the DS had already been out.  Most Gen Y'ers were already were teens by that point so I think 2003 was the last true Y childhood year.

I lean more towards 2006-2007 as the start for Z kid culture because of the Wii, Hannah Montana, Flapjack, Fred figglehorn, hdtv, etc. 2005 still had Yish elements like Yu Yu Hakusho on Toonami, Revenge of the Sith, Kim Possible So the Drama, etc

I lean more towards 2006-2007 as the start for Z kid culture because of the Wii, Hannah Montana, Flapjack, Fred figglehorn, hdtv, etc. 2005 still had Yish elements like Yu Yu Hakusho on Toonami, Revenge of the Sith, Kim Possible So the Drama, etc


Would you agree with the list I made above?

IMO;

2003 = Last Firm Y Childhood Year
2004 = Y/Z significantly leaning Y
2005 = Y/Z leaning Y
2006 = Y/Z 50/50
2007 = Y/Z leaning Z
2008 = Y/Z significantly leaning Z
2009 = First Firm Z Childhood Year
It depends on where you start gen z. 2003 was a very transformative year because it was the year the gba sp came out, pokemon moving on from the classic era from the frist two generations to the modern 3rd gen with Ruby and Saphire, DBZ leaves Toonami, Stone Cold retires from the wwe, the rise of Google and the year SNick becomes TeenNick. 2003 felt pretty disconnected from the 90s, a lot of Gen Y'ers view 03 as the their comming of age years.

It depends on where you start gen z. 2003 was a very transformative year because it was the year the gba sp came out, pokemon moving on from the classic era from the frist two generations to the modern 3rd gen with Ruby and Saphire, DBZ leaves Toonami, Stone Cold retires from the wwe, the rise of Google and the year SNick becomes TeenNick. 2003 felt pretty disconnected from the 90s, a lot of Gen Y'ers view 03 as the their comming of age years.


You got things mixed up. The Gameboy Advance SP was just an updated and cooler design of the Gameboy Advance from 2001, and before then you had previous versions of the Gameboy, but at the end of the day 2003 still marked the last ever version of the "Gameboy" Nintendo handhelds dating back to 1989, then in 2004 the DS comes out when Nintendo handhelds had a complete revamp and name change. The Kid Buu Saga of DBZ aired throughout 2003 which was the last one then DBZ officially ended, but DBZ reruns were still on Toonami until early 2004. DBGT premiered in late 2003 which was its replacement for about a year, then DBZ reruns returned to Toonami as the uncut version from 2005-early 2006. It never left Toonami in 2003, but it did in 2004 though. I honestly don't see any major changes about the WWE in 2003. The WWF Attitude Era was from 1997-2002 and the WWE Ruthless Aggression Era was from 2002-2008, so 2002 would have been the major change for that franchise. Snick never became TeenNick. Those were 2 separate blocks, but those were similar. TeenNick premiered in 2001. Snick was still around until the end of summer 2004. As for Pokemon you're right though. When it comes to the video games Ruby and Saphire was the beginning of the new generation and as for the TV series Master Quest was the last of the 1st generation series which ended in late 2003. 2004 was the way more transitional year for kid culture than 2003 overall if you look at everything. I could even relate this with Hot Wheels which no one talks about. The kid cultural changes throughout 2002 and 2003 were about the same but minor. 2004 had a lot of major changes though. 1999-2001 were like the solid late millennial/Gen Y kid years culturally.

I'll say 2005 is the first gen z childhood year since it was the year youtube, Xbox 360, Suite Life of Zack and Cody came out and the DS had already been out.  Most Gen Y'ers were already were teens by that point so I think 2003 was the last true Y childhood year.


I can agree with this though. Late 2005 to be specific when we started 4th grade.

The transition from the Y to Z childhood era started in mid/late 2004, with the end of the Powerhouse and Klaspy-Csupo Eras for CN and Nickelodeon respectively, with broadband surpassing dial up in adoption rates, and with the Nintendo DS coming out. However, by 2008 is when I'd say the transition had finished, with Toonami ending, the Recession going global (the Recession plays a major role in Gen Z's childhood), and with Obama's election, and 2009 is definitely full Z, Obama was president, Windows 7 came out, and later on Nickelodeon changed their logos.
Here's what I would say;

1987-1991 = X/Y Cusp Childhood Years
(TMNT, Robocop, NES dominating and debut of Zelda, Mega Man, and Castlevania, Sega Genesis comes out, Reagan's speech and Fall of Berlin Wall ending Cold War, hair metal and late '80s pop dominating)

1991-1995 = Early Y Childhood Years
(Original 5 Nicktoons, 16 Bit Console Wars, USSR Collapse ends Cold War, LA riots and bombings in NY and OKC, CN debuts as time capsule, SNICK, Street Fighter II and Mortal Kombat dominate arcades, grunge and adult contemporary dominating)

1995-2000 = Core Y Childhood Years
(Windows 95 release and rise in internet use, Toy Story first feature-length CGI film, 5th Gaming Generation, CN airs original programming, Nicktoons transition into Silver Age, dawn of Pokemon, Diana's death, Columbine, Y2K fever, alt rock, skate-punk, and later on bubblegum pop dominating)

2000-2004 = Late Y Childhood Years
(Internet adoption passes 50% and Dot Com Bubble bursts, 6th Gaming Generation, Klaspy Csupo Era in full swing, 9/11, Harry Potter and Shrek series debut in theaters, broadband on the rise, post-grunge, pop-punk, and party rap dominating)

2004-2008 = Y/Z Cusp Childhood Years
(Broadband adoption surpasses dial up, Powerhouse and Klaspy Csupo Eras end, SNICK ends, TeenNick dominating, DS and PSP released, Wii-mania, Miley Cyrus and Zac Efron become teen idols, emo, hard rock, and ringtone hip hop dominating)

2008-2012 = Early Z Childhood Years
(Global Recession, Toonami ends, Obama elected, Fred hits 1 million subscribers, YouTube changes to Beta channels, Nickelodeon changes logo, Wii becomes retro-centric, PS3 starts becoming popular, electropop dominating and rock goes underground)

You got things mixed up. The Gameboy Advance SP was just an updated and cooler design of the Gameboy Advance from 2001, and before then you had previous versions of the Gameboy, but at the end of the day 2003 still marked the last ever version of the "Gameboy" Nintendo handhelds dating back to 1989, then in 2004 the DS comes out when Nintendo handhelds had a complete revamp and name change. The Kid Buu Saga of DBZ aired throughout 2003 which was the last one then DBZ officially ended, but DBZ reruns were still on Toonami until early 2004. DBGT premiered in late 2003 which was its replacement for about a year, then DBZ reruns returned to Toonami as the uncut version from 2005-early 2006. It never left Toonami in 2003, but it did in 2004 though. I honestly don't see any major changes about the WWE in 2003. The WWF Attitude Era was from 1997-2002 and the WWE Ruthless Aggression Era was from 2002-2008, so 2002 would have been the major change for that franchise. Snick never became TeenNick. Those were 2 separate blocks, but those were similar. TeenNick premiered in 2001. Snick was still around until the end of summer 2004. As for Pokemon you're right though. When it comes to the video games Ruby and Saphire was the beginning of the new generation and as for the TV series Master Quest was the last of the 1st generation series which ended in late 2003. 2004 was the way more transitional year for kid culture than 2003 overall if you look at everything. I could even relate this with Hot Wheels which no one talks about. The kid cultural changes throughout 2002 and 2003 were about the same but minor. 2004 had a lot of major changes though. 1999-2001 were like the solid late millennial/Gen Y kid years culturally.
True, but the gba fudmentally changed handheld gamming, as someone who had the original gba I remember being so happy that I no longer needed batteries. The Sp paved the way for the ds, 3ds and now switch. Kids these days didn't have to go thru the pain of asking your parents for batteries like some of us did.

I think what he was referring to was growing up with cell phones & social media in childhood, rather than teenhood. If that were the case, almost everybody in Gen Y would've grew up with social media as it became big in 2005-2006 when most Gen Yers were in middle school/high school.

My take is that if you spent all (or most) of your childhood in the Web 1.0 era, than you're likely a Gen Yer, while if you spent most of your childhood in the Web 2.0 Era (or most) than you're likely a Gen Zer. Many attribute the Web 1.0 Era as being from 1991 through 2004, and the Web 2.0 Era from 2005-Present. However, there is a bit of a cusp period in the mid 2000s as dial up usage and Broadband/DSL usage is simultaneously phased out/in but in a gradual sense, social media begins to take off, and Wifi starts to become more readily available. In other areas of technology this was also around the time when touch screen technology became big, HDTVs were becoming common (granted pre LCD technology, this was the prime for Plasma TVs), and cell phones were becoming common (especially the flip phone design that was ever more popularized through the Motorola Razr's mass popularity).

The official crossover, IMO, is around 2007 when the iPhone is officially released, dial up is practically a thing of the past, streaming/downloading music begins to take over sales of traditional physical formats, Blu-Ray v. HD-DVD format war is at its peak (with Blu- Ray subsequently winning), among other major technological trends.

Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web in March of 1989, but it wasn't officially released to the public until 1991. So even though commercial internet did not exist, it did already technically exist, along with PCs starting to become common in people's households, video game consoles becoming a mainstay with the peak in popularity of the NES & Sega Genesis being first released, Gameboys are also released in 89', along with VCRs being common at this point & video rental stores like Blockbuster beginning to hit the mass markets across the country. So similar to the cusp period between 2004-2007, give or take, between the transition of Web 1.0 Era technology (which defined the childhoods of Gen Y) to the Web 2.0 Era Technology (which defined/defines the childhoods of Gen Z), the period between 1988-1991 is another similar cusp period with the technology of the analog era (which defined the childhoods of both Boomers & Xers) transitioning to the early electronic/Web 1.0 Era (the subsequent childhoods of Gen Yers).

Thus we could formulate a rough but decent analysis on who grew up during which era of technology. Using the theory on peak childhood (ages 7-8 being the absolute 'soul' of one's childhood, or simply from an American perspective when someone was in the 2nd Grade) we can make a bit of a graph on the eras of childhood for different generations using the impact of technology as a guide:

Born Late 1980 to Mid 1983: Gen X/Y Cusps - Peak Childhoods from Late 1988 to Mid 1991 during the Analog to Digital/Web 1.0 Transition

Born Late 1983 to Mid 1987: Early Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods during the early days of the World Wide Web from 1991-1995 prior to the release of Windows 95

Born Late 1987 to Mid 1992: Core Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods during the core Windows 95/98/00 Days, when AOL rose in popularity, and prior to internet global usage rates hitting the 50% threshold for the first time in 2000, so prior from 1995-2000

Born Late 1992 to Mid 1996: Late Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods post 50% Global Internet Usage rates and during the peak in popularity for Windows XP, but prior to DSL/Broadband overtaking Dial Up usage in mid 2004, so from 2000-2004

Born Late 1996 to Mid 1999: Gen Y/Z Cusps - Peak Childhoods post DSL/Broadband overtaking Dial Up in national usage and during the time that social media rose immensely in popularity, Wikis became popular, YouTube was launched, & modern web design came to fruition; but this was prior to the release of the iPhone which truly changed the game on how the internet could be utilized, and before online gaming became big in the Late 2000s due to the popularity of 7th Generation consoles, so from 2004-2007

Born Late 1999 to present: Gen Z - Peak Childhoods in a post Web 2.0/iPhone world. First truly modern era of kids, pertaining to technology. So Late 2007 to the present.


What do you think of this (starting at Late 1999, or this year's HS grads)?

Born Late 1999 to Mid 2003: Older Gen Z

Born Late 2003 to Mid 2008: Core Gen Z people

Born Late 2008 to Mid 2012: Younger Gen Z people

Born Late 2012 to Mid 2015: The Z/Alpha cusp

Born Late 2015 to Mid 2019: Older Gen Alpha

What do you think of this (starting at Late 1999, or this year's HS grads)?

Born Late 1999 to Mid 2003: Older Gen Z

Born Late 2003 to Mid 2008: Core Gen Z people

Born Late 2008 to Mid 2012: Younger Gen Z people

Born Late 2012 to Mid 2015: The Z/Alpha cusp

Born Late 2015 to Mid 2019: Older Gen Alpha


Very good, here's how I'd put it;
First, I'd like to say, this topic has been derailed into generationology now.
I really think posting topics about generations in general on inthe00s is ill-advised. Generationology is such a sinful topic, it fuels envy in those who want to make the cutoff and pride in those who feel they've made the cutoff, and a lot of us indulge in it when we shouldn't, which relates to gluttony, and we want to make our definitions cannon, which relates to greed. That's 4 sins out of 7.

Anyways, any further conversation on generationology should be reserved for the Private Messages.

But anyways;

Class of 1980 - Class of 1983 (late 1961/1962-1965) = BB/X Cusp
Childhoods peaked 1969-1973 (Mr. Rogers, Sesame Street, Scooby Doo, Brady Bunch, Charlie Brown, blues and folk rock, soul)
Teen years peaked in summers of 1978-1981, after Saturday Night Fever came out, but before MTV.

Class of 1984 - Class of 1987 (late 1965/1966-1969) = Early Gen X
Childhoods peaked 1973-1977 (Pong, School House Rock, Super Friends, Star Trek animated series, Jaws, progressive and glam rock, funk, reggae)
Teen years peaked in summers of 1982-1985, MTV was already out, NWOBHM was slowly on its way out, but hair metal wasn't dominant yet.

Class of 1988 - Class of 1993 (late 1969/1970-1975) = Core Gen X
Childhoods peaked 1977-1983 (Star Wars, Atari 2600, Intellivision, Spider-Man, Superman, Godzilla series, Indiana Jones, ET, disco, NWOBHM)
Teen years peaked in summers of 1986-1991, during the hair metal era. Graduated during grunge's underground or mainstream eras, before Cobain's death.

Class of 1994 - Class of 1997 (late 1975/1976-1979) = Late Gen X
Childhoods peaked 1983-1987 (He-Man, GI-Joe, Transformers, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, Video Game Crash and NES release, MTV pop)
Teen years peaked in summers of 1992-1995, after the USSR Collapsed, but before Windows 95 came out. Graduated before Diana's death.

Class of 1998 - Class of 2001 (late 1979/1980-1983) = X/Y Cusp
Childhoods peaked 1987-1991 (TMNT, Robocop, NES dominance, Genesis and Game Boy launch, hair metal, dance pop, old school hip hop)
Teen years peaked in summers of 1996-1999, after Windows 95 came out, but before Y2K. All graduated before 9/11.

Class of 2002 - Class of 2005 (late 1983/1984-1987) = Early Gen Y
Childhoods peaked 1991-1995 (SNES, Genesis, Game Boy, Original 5 Nicktoons, Time Capsule Cartoon Network, grunge, adult contemporary, g-funk)
Teen years peaked in summers of 2000-2003. Were all in high school for 9/11.

Class of 2006 - Class of 2010 (late 1987/1988-1992) = Core Gen Y
Childhoods peaked 1995-2000 (Windows 95, PlayStation, Nintendo 64, Toy Story, Disney Renaissance climax, CN original programming, alt rock, skate-punk, Y2K teen pop)
Teen years peaked in summers of 2004-2008, after goth-emo exploded, but before electropop exploded.

Class of 2011 - Class of 2014 (late 1992/1993-1996) = Late Gen Y
Childhoods peaked 2000-2004 (Post-Dot Com Bubble, PlayStation 2, GameCube, Xbox, GBA, kids cartoons get edgier, Harry Potter, Shrek, 9/11, post-grunge, pop-punk, party rap)
Teen years peaked in summers of 2009-2012, during the electropop era.

Class of 2015 - Class of 2018 (late 1996/1997-2000) = Y/Z Cusp
Childhoods peaked 2004-2008 (Broadband standard, TeenNick, CN City and Yes! Eras, Nintendo DS, PSP, Xbox 360, PS3, Wii and Wiimania, rise in HDTVs, hard alt rock, emo, ringtone rap)
Teen years peaked in summers of 2013-2016, post-electropop era and post-Sandy Hook and Boston Bombings, but pre-Trump Election.

Class of 2019 - Class of 2022 (late 2000/2001-2004) = Early Gen Z
Childhoods peaked 2008-2012 (Global Recession, post-Toonami, PS3 starts selling, Wii goes retro-centric, 1 Million Subscribed YouTube Channels, Nickelodeon logo change, electropop)
Teen years peaked/will peak in summers of 2017-2020, during Trump's presidency.

Class of 2023 - Class of 2026 (late 2004/2005-2008) = Core Gen Z

Class of 2027 - Class of 2030 (late 2008/2009-2012) = Late Gen Z

Very good, here's how I'd put it;
First, I'd like to say, this topic has been derailed into generationology now.
I really think posting topics about generations in general on inthe00s is ill-advised. Generationology is such a sinful topic, it fuels envy in those who want to make the cutoff and pride in those who feel they've made the cutoff, and a lot of us indulge in it when we shouldn't, which relates to gluttony, and we want to make our definitions cannon, which relates to greed. That's 4 sins out of 7.

Anyways, any further conversation on generationology should be reserved for the Private Messages.

But anyways;

Class of 1980 - Class of 1983 (late 1961/1962-1965) = BB/X Cusp
Childhoods peaked 1969-1973 (Mr. Rogers, Sesame Street, Scooby Doo, Brady Bunch, Charlie Brown, blues and folk rock, soul)
Teen years peaked in summers of 1978-1981, after Saturday Night Fever came out, but before MTV.

Class of 1984 - Class of 1987 (late 1965/1966-1969) = Early Gen X
Childhoods peaked 1973-1977 (Pong, School House Rock, Super Friends, Star Trek animated series, Jaws, progressive and glam rock, funk, reggae)
Teen years peaked in summers of 1982-1985, MTV was already out, NWOBHM was slowly on its way out, but hair metal wasn't dominant yet.

Class of 1988 - Class of 1993 (late 1969/1970-1975) = Core Gen X
Childhoods peaked 1977-1983 (Star Wars, Atari 2600, Intellivision, Spider-Man, Superman, Godzilla series, Indiana Jones, ET, disco, NWOBHM)
Teen years peaked in summers of 1986-1991, during the hair metal era. Graduated during grunge's underground or mainstream eras, before Cobain's death.

Class of 1994 - Class of 1997 (late 1975/1976-1979) = Late Gen X
Childhoods peaked 1983-1987 (He-Man, GI-Joe, Transformers, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, Video Game Crash and NES release, MTV pop)
Teen years peaked in summers of 1992-1995, after the USSR Collapsed, but before Windows 95 came out. Graduated before Diana's death.

Class of 1998 - Class of 2001 (late 1979/1980-1983) = X/Y Cusp
Childhoods peaked 1987-1991 (TMNT, Robocop, NES dominance, Genesis and Game Boy launch, hair metal, dance pop, old school hip hop)
Teen years peaked in summers of 1996-1999, after Windows 95 came out, but before Y2K. All graduated before 9/11.

Class of 2002 - Class of 2005 (late 1983/1984-1987) = Early Gen Y
Childhoods peaked 1991-1995 (SNES, Genesis, Game Boy, Original 5 Nicktoons, Time Capsule Cartoon Network, grunge, adult contemporary, g-funk)
Teen years peaked in summers of 2000-2003. Were all in high school for 9/11.

Class of 2006 - Class of 2010 (late 1987/1988-1992) = Core Gen Y
Childhoods peaked 1995-2000 (Windows 95, PlayStation, Nintendo 64, Toy Story, Disney Renaissance climax, CN original programming, alt rock, skate-punk, Y2K teen pop)
Teen years peaked in summers of 2004-2008, after goth-emo exploded, but before electropop exploded.

Class of 2011 - Class of 2014 (late 1992/1993-1996) = Late Gen Y
Childhoods peaked 2000-2004 (Post-Dot Com Bubble, PlayStation 2, GameCube, Xbox, GBA, kids cartoons get edgier, Harry Potter, Shrek, 9/11, post-grunge, pop-punk, party rap)
Teen years peaked in summers of 2009-2012, during the electropop era.

Class of 2015 - Class of 2018 (late 1996/1997-2000) = Y/Z Cusp
Childhoods peaked 2004-2008 (Broadband standard, TeenNick, CN City and Yes! Eras, Nintendo DS, PSP, Xbox 360, PS3, Wii and Wiimania, rise in HDTVs, hard alt rock, emo, ringtone rap)
Teen years peaked in summers of 2013-2016, post-electropop era and post-Sandy Hook and Boston Bombings, but pre-Trump Election.

Class of 2019 - Class of 2022 (late 2000/2001-2004) = Early Gen Z
Childhoods peaked 2008-2012 (Global Recession, post-Toonami, PS3 starts selling, Wii goes retro-centric, 1 Million Subscribed YouTube Channels, Nickelodeon logo change, electropop)
Teen years peaked/will peak in summers of 2017-2020, during Trump's presidency.

Class of 2023 - Class of 2026 (late 2004/2005-2008) = Core Gen Z

Class of 2027 - Class of 2030 (late 2008/2009-2012) = Late Gen Z


Will I go to Hell?

Will I go to Hell?

Yes.

Will I go to Hell?


Your custom title and personal text indicates you're already from there.  ;D ;D ;D

Interesting commentary about Millennials, from Millennials:


http://www.businessinsider.com/millennials-talk-about-the-baby-boomer-generation-2018-5


Overall I agree with most of their points on the lack of accountability from Boomers in the messed up society that they essentially created.

Interesting commentary about Millennials, from Millennials:


http://www.businessinsider.com/millennials-talk-about-the-baby-boomer-generation-2018-5


Overall I agree with most of their points on the lack of accountability from Boomers in the messed up society that they essentially created.

Yeah. Instead of owning up to their mistakes, Boomers just spew bullsh*t on their facebook timelines about snowflakes, tide pods, covfefe, sjws, blah blah blah made Millennials messed-up. Individually I don't hate boomers, a lot of them are my friends IRL, but as a whole it seems like their generation has brain-damage from huffing so much lead paint.

Yeah. Instead of owning up to their mistakes, Boomers just spew bullsh*t on their facebook timelines about snowflakes, tide pods, covfefe, sjws, blah blah blah made Millennials messed-up. Individually I don't hate boomers, a lot of them are my friends IRL, but as a whole it seems like their generation has brain-damage from huffing so much lead paint.


I agree. Millennials have been taking so much sh!t from Boomers...

Btw, I was having this convo with Nerdy Gamer about the differences between 80s born Millennials and 90s born Millennials.

90s Millennials, IMHO, had it a lot better than 80s Millennials. 80s Millennials graduated college in the midst of the Great Recession, while 90s Millennials were mainly adolescents during the Great Recession. 90s Millennials saw how their slightly older 80s Millennial siblings struggle during the Late 00s/Early 10s and thus tried to future proof themselves to make sure they were financially stable when they were at their similar age.

Just some thoughts. Overall, both sectors were affected by the recession, just in different degrees. I for instance started working in 2011 when the economy was still very crappy. The minimum wage was $7.25 (I tell teens about this now, and they gasp in shock ;D) and worst of all I was only working part time. Granted I was a sophomore in high school, so any money was 'Good Money', if that makes any sense. But looking back on my experiences at my first job, it seems like I was taken advantaged of, massively. This also coincided when I and many people my age started looking into colleges and trying to figure out their careers. So my sh!tty experience of my first job is what inspired me to pursue higher education after high school. Before that, I was either indifferent to college or just thought it was 'pointless' (whatever that means...).

Btw, I was having this convo with Nerdy Gamer about the differences between 80s born Millennials and 90s born Millennials.

90s Millennials, IMHO, had it a lot better than 80s Millennials. 80s Millennials graduated college in the midst of the Great Recession, while 90s Millennials were mainly adolescents during the Great Recession. 90s Millennials saw how their slightly older 80s Millennial siblings struggle during the Late 00s/Early 10s and thus tried to future proof themselves to make sure they were financially stable when they were at their similar age.

Just some thoughts. Overall, both sectors were affected by the recession, just in different degrees. I for instance started working in 2011 when the economy was still very crappy. The minimum wage was $7.25 (I tell teens about this now, and they gasp in shock ;D) and worst of all I was only working part time. Granted I was a sophomore in high school, so any money was 'Good Money', if that makes any sense. But looking back on my experiences at my first job, it seems like I was taken advantaged of, massively. This also coincided when I and many people my age started looking into colleges and trying to figure out their careers. So my sh!tty experience of my first job is what inspired me to pursue higher education after high school. Before that, I was either indifferent to college or just thought it was 'pointless' (whatever that means...).
80s milllenals was also in college during the bush years not only 80s borns were in college in the recssion they also were finished college in the Bush's 2nd term.

Btw, I had this convo with Nerdy Gamer about the differences between the 80s born Millennials and 90s born Millennials.

90s Millennials, IMHO, had it a lot better than 80s Millennials. 80s Millennials graduated college in the midst of the Great Recession, while 90s Millennials were mainly adolescents during the Great Recession. 90s Millennials saw how their slightly older 80s Millennial siblings struggle during the Late 00s/Early 10s and thus tried to future proof themselves to make sure they were financially stable when they were at their similar age.

Just some thoughts. Overall, both sectors were affected by the recession, just in different degrees. I, for instance, started working in 2011 when the economy was still very crappy. The minimum wage was $7.25 (I tell teens about this now, and they gasp in shock ;D) and worst of all I was only working part-time. Granted I was a sophomore in high school, so any money was 'Good Money' if that makes any sense. But looking back on my experiences at my first job, it seems like I was taken advantage of, massively. This time also coincided when many people my age and I started looking into colleges and trying to figure out their careers. So my sh*tty experience of my first job is what inspired me to pursue higher education after high school. Before that, I was either indifferent to college or just thought it was 'pointless' (whatever that means...).
You know, that's most likely why I wasn't able to get a job back then. In 2010, I was in a program at my school, and they were going to help me enter the workforce at that time. Thanks to the sluggish economy, unfortunately, it prevented me from even achieving one where I was going to work twice a week I think. When I decided to work a few years later, it took me a long time to get hired anywhere due to the limited amount of jobs that were out there, and I even specified that I was available to work every day even if I had school.


80s millennials were also in college during the Bush years. Not only that, but some 80s borns were in college during the recession as well as they also finished college in Bush's 2nd term.
Yeah, it's complicated. Some finished during Bush's first term. Some graduated into the recession and throughout Bush's 2nd term, and some even completed their studies after the recession. How crazy is that?

Btw, I was having this convo with Nerdy Gamer about the differences between 80s born Millennials and 90s born Millennials.

90s Millennials, IMHO, had it a lot better than 80s Millennials. 80s Millennials graduated college in the midst of the Great Recession, while 90s Millennials were mainly adolescents during the Great Recession. 90s Millennials saw how their slightly older 80s Millennial siblings struggle during the Late 00s/Early 10s and thus tried to future proof themselves to make sure they were financially stable when they were at their similar age.

Just some thoughts. Overall, both sectors were affected by the recession, just in different degrees. I for instance started working in 2011 when the economy was still very crappy. The minimum wage was $7.25 (I tell teens about this now, and they gasp in shock ;D) and worst of all I was only working part time. Granted I was a sophomore in high school, so any money was 'Good Money', if that makes any sense. But looking back on my experiences at my first job, it seems like I was taken advantaged of, massively. This also coincided when I and many people my age started looking into colleges and trying to figure out their careers. So my sh!tty experience of my first job is what inspired me to pursue higher education after high school. Before that, I was either indifferent to college or just thought it was 'pointless' (whatever that means...).


Are you done with your undergrad already?

Yeah, graduating college during 2009, which was the peak of the recession, wasn't the easiest thing. The unemployment rate was about 10% back then, so finding a job after leaving college took a good while. Generally, watching the economy do fairly well the whole time during high school and college only to tank about when I got ready to graduate was dissapointing to say the least.

For mid '90s babies and later, things were a bit easier since you guys didn't start coming of age until Obama's second term, which was when the economy had begun to gain more jobs, but things were still far from great. Only with Gen Z starting to come of age the last few years has the economy started to fully go back to where it was before the recession.

Yeah, graduating college during 2009, which was the peak of the recession, wasn't the easiest thing. The unemployment rate was about 10% back then, so finding a job after leaving college took a good while. Generally, watching the economy do fairly well the whole time during high school and college only to tank about when I got ready to graduate was dissapointing to say the least.

For mid '90s babies and later, things were a bit easier since you guys didn't start coming of age until Obama's second term, which was when the economy had begun to gain more jobs, but things were still far from great. Only with Gen Z starting to come of age the last few years has the economy started to fully go back to where it was before the recession.
I bet it was I remember the entire first term of Obama people were complaining about the economy.

Facts, as someone who's a 96 born I'm right on the cusp between Y/Z.  I feel like  people my age  had the leftovers from Gen Y and while pioneered Gen Z culture with social media and smartphones being popular the way they are since by the time we entered high school, smartphones and social media had already become normal whereas when we were kids it was the flip phone that was the king.

On this pic, would you say your childhood resonates more closely with Late Y or Early Z? You might say both, but if you were forced to pick just one, which would you pick?

https://archive-media-1.nyafuu.org/bant/image/1513/06/1513062461727.jpg

Are you done with your undergrad already?


Not yet. I'm actually staying an extra semester, so I should be done by Spring 2019. It is weird to see many people my age graduating college and moving onto their careers and or to graduate school. Heck I already know a few girls my age who are engaged!

On this pic, would you say your childhood resonates more closely with Late Y or Early Z? You might say both, but if you were forced to pick just one, which would you pick?

https://archive-media-1.nyafuu.org/bant/image/1513/06/1513062461727.jpg


I'll bite. If I had to pick, I'll say Late Y, easily. While I have nostalgia for the Early Z era in relation to video game consoles, most of the cartoons, toys, fads, etc. I grew out of by around 2008. So I guess by using school years, 5th & 6th grades for me I still consider my childhood, but 7th grade was the first grade, that I look back on, that I consider my adolescence. I was ages 4-10 during the Late Y era, so practically my entire childhood took place during that era.

I'll bite. If I had to pick, I'll say Late Y, easily. While I have nostalgia for the Early Z era in relation to video game consoles, most of the cartoons, toys, fads, etc. I grew out of by around 2008. So I guess by using school years, 5th & 6th grades for me I still consider my childhood, but 7th grade was the first grade, that I look back on, that I consider my adolescence. I was ages 4-10 during the Late Y era, so practically my entire childhood took place during that era.

Interesting. Based on your previous posts I thought you outgrew kid culture around 2006 though (the year of Re-Animated, Hannah Montana, and High School Musical. That screams Gen Z, heh), with 2008 seeming like a later date than you previous implied.

Interesting. Based on your previous posts I thought you outgrew kid culture around 2006 though (the year of Re-Animated, Hannah Montana, and High School Musical. That screams Gen Z, heh), with 2008 seeming like a later date than you previous implied.


It’s hard to explain haha.

What I mean is that in 2006 I was 10, so thus still in my core childhood and in the range for what was being marketed towards kids. It’s just that because I was already 10, I was at the tail end of my core childhood, and admittedly I wasn’t a big fan of much of the childhood trends that emerged in the 2005-2007 time frame. Especially since a lot of these shows, toy lines, fads, etc. lasted for much of the Late 2000s (& a little in the early 2010s), I didn’t really get nostalgic for them in the same way I get notstalgic for the early 2000s.

I can’t speak for everyone, but what I notice is that most people seem to start to outgrow kid centric things around in middle school, coinciding with puberty. So for me, even 2007-2008 I would still consider my childhood, but arguably the last school year in which I relate it towards my childhood. I started to go through puberty around when I was 12/13 years old, so basically 7th grade, so I started to gradually move away from a lot of my child centric fantasies. Not to mention many of the networks I grew up with being in the midst of their declines by that point.

On this pic, would you say your childhood resonates more closely with Late Y or Early Z? You might say both, but if you were forced to pick just one, which would you pick?

https://archive-media-1.nyafuu.org/bant/image/1513/06/1513062461727.jpg


For me personally, it would be Late Y, without a doubt.

On this pic, would you say your childhood resonates more closely with Late Y or Early Z? You might say both, but if you were forced to pick just one, which would you pick?

https://archive-media-1.nyafuu.org/bant/image/1513/06/1513062461727.jpg


Damn you really put all of your time and effort to make this didn't you?  :o

Damn you really put all of your time and effort to make this didn't you?  :o

I didn't make it. I found it on another forum and thought it would fit here. Other people are into generation theory on the internet it seems, like personality cafe and r/genz.

On this pic, would you say your childhood resonates more closely with Late Y or Early Z? You might say both, but if you were forced to pick just one, which would you pick?

https://archive-media-1.nyafuu.org/bant/image/1513/06/1513062461727.jpg

Core Z my childhood is in that era 2010-now, i was 2-6 in the Early Z but i didn't get to expirience it fully though but 2010-Now Core Z is what i only relate to that's why i consider my self a 2010s kid with no shame in it.

On this pic, would you say your childhood resonates more closely with Late Y or Early Z? You might say both, but if you were forced to pick just one, which would you pick?

https://archive-media-1.nyafuu.org/bant/image/1513/06/1513062461727.jpg


mine would be core Generation X culture.

Here's my collage relating to when certain generation childhood cultures lasted. This one includes cusp ranges too.
Regardless of which year you were born, which one do you relate to most, and which cohort would kids culture 2008-2018 go?
I may update this chart to include post-2008, or may not, I'll see.

http://www.personalitycafe.com/attachments/generation-z-forum/802665d1527981324-when-did-millennial-culture-end-gen-z-culture-start-download.jpg

Here's my collage relating to when certain generation childhood cultures lasted. This one includes cusp ranges too.
Regardless of which year you were born, which one do you relate to most, and which cohort would kids culture 2008-2018 go?
I may update this chart to include post-2008, or may not, I'll see.

http://www.personalitycafe.com/attachments/generation-z-forum/802665d1527981324-when-did-millennial-culture-end-gen-z-culture-start-download.jpg


You may disagree with me, but I would actually say that the ultimate Y/Z child culture year is 2007 instead of 2006 because that's when Nickelodeon started to change again (Drake and Josh and Danny Phantom ending, Nick GAS ceasing to exist by the end of the year, more modern shows such as Back in the Barnyard and iCarly debuting, etc).

The earlier parts of the year have slightly more Y influence, the later parts of the year have slightly more Z influence.

I don't see any chart here!

Maybe you should buy a pair of glasses, and then you might see it.

I don't see any chart here!


https://preview.ibb.co/jTOMCd/download.jpg

I did a chart for Early Gen Z Childhood. Is it accurate?

http://i64.tinypic.com/331emxl.png


Yeah, I'll think I'll edit it in. May need to slide the pics closer together, but it can work.

People on inthe00s: Generation threads should be banned from inthe00s because it causes too much controversy.

Also people on inthe00s: Late Y culture lasted from 2000-2006 and people born in the early/mid-late 90's are the main cohort.

When I posted the first pic, I just expected a few replies of people saying which one was closest to them, as opposed to more in-depth discussions getting reignited. I think we should take the rest of in-depth generation discussion over to PMs.

When I posted the first pic, I just expected a few replies of people saying which one was closest to them, as opposed to more in-depth discussions getting reignited. I think we should take the rest of in-depth generation discussion over to PMs.

I think that would be a good idea. I have a feeling this might cause a little bit of an argument.  ;D ;D

I feel like the conversation was lighrhearted but I also feel like the mods are onto us.

Yeah, I'll think I'll edit it in. May need to slide the pics closer together, but it can work.


Finished it;

http://www.personalitycafe.com/attachments/generation-z-forum/802669d1527991865-when-did-millennial-culture-end-gen-z-culture-start-download.jpg

Anyways, I guess I'll end the convo here.

Made my own the audience were gonna be 2008-2012 but i was thinking why would a 8 year old watch 13 reasons why?  ;D
https://i.imgur.com/agfcHyW.png
But yeah i honestly don't know if this would be accurate, especially with the audiences.

https://preview.ibb.co/jTOMCd/download.jpg



that's a nice chart. :)

Some people still think Gen Y and Millenial are two different generations. I just watch a video from Dave Ramsey and he separated the two generations. tjEMCT1v5Mc

https://preview.ibb.co/jTOMCd/download.jpg
I identify with the second Y column with bits of the first and last one.

I identify with the second Y column with bits of the first and last one.
By the way, do you recognize the album with the bull on the 1995-2000 column, and did you enjoy that album?

https://preview.ibb.co/jTOMCd/download.jpg


Yeah I'd say this is a pretty accurate chart, good job :).

As for me, my point still stands. I identify with the Late Y section the most, but I also relate to the Core Y section (for my early childhood) and the Y/Z Cusp section (for my late childhood).

By the way, do you recognize the album with the bull on the 1995-2000 column, and did you enjoy that album?
Yes, I do, and I think I enjoyed it since I listened to some songs from that album a few years ago.

Some interesting statistics regarding Millennials:

https://www.ft.com/video/4ec8ed22-19d6-455f-b86b-a979a05fd5e3

Some of these are actually pretty surprising. Like on fact that I didn't know was that the Millennials already have a bigger consumer spending power than Boomers. This is despite our generation having less money invested in real estate or stocks than our parents did at a similar age.

Millennials are appartenly killing bars....


https://www.refinery29.com/2018/06/201411/millennials-prefer-drinking-at-home-study


Which is ironic because I'm pretty hungover right now ;D

Millennials are appartenly killing bars....


https://www.refinery29.com/2018/06/201411/millennials-prefer-drinking-at-home-study


Which is ironic because I'm pretty hungover right now ;D
It is true over here in the UK. They drink store purchased alcohol at home, get hammered, and then go to party, raves, nightclubs, etc. The early hours of the morning in the town centres is not a pretty sight.

It is true over here in the UK. They drink store purchased alcohol at home, get hammered, and then go to party, raves, nightclubs, etc. The early hours of the morning in the town centres is not a pretty sight.


Yeah, thats called 'pre-gaming'. You drink alcohol at home and go out partying later. However, the bar scene is still pretty live though. Even if one doesn't actually buy any drinks at the bar, many of the bars now have dance floors and lounge areas to accommodate for different tastes and moods. Although, in my scenario I 'pre-gamed pretty hard last night', and also drank too much at the bar... I was done ;D.

Yeah, thats called 'pre-gaming'. You drink alcohol at home and go out partying later. However, the bar scene is still pretty live though. Even if one doesn't actually buy any drinks at the bar, many of the bars now have dance floors and lounge areas to accommodate for different tastes and moods. Although, in my scenario I 'pre-gamed pretty hard last night', and also drank too much at the bar... I was done ;D.
Hence some bars are closing down.

Rest and recover well

Hence some bars are closing down.

Rest and recover well


Thank you :)

Thank you :)
No problem, oh the wonders of youth today?

Millennials are appartenly killing bars....


https://www.refinery29.com/2018/06/201411/millennials-prefer-drinking-at-home-study


Which is ironic because I'm pretty hungover right now ;D


Well, they would rather party at night then to get an education.

I think what he was referring to was growing up with cell phones & social media in childhood, rather than teenhood. If that were the case, almost everybody in Gen Y would've grew up with social media as it became big in 2005-2006 when most Gen Yers were in middle school/high school.

My take is that if you spent all (or most) of your childhood in the Web 1.0 era, than you're likely a Gen Yer, while if you spent most of your childhood in the Web 2.0 Era (or most) than you're likely a Gen Zer. Many attribute the Web 1.0 Era as being from 1991 through 2004, and the Web 2.0 Era from 2005-Present. However, there is a bit of a cusp period in the mid 2000s as dial up usage and Broadband/DSL usage is simultaneously phased out/in but in a gradual sense, social media begins to take off, and Wifi starts to become more readily available. In other areas of technology this was also around the time when touch screen technology became big, HDTVs were becoming common (granted pre LCD technology, this was the prime for Plasma TVs), and cell phones were becoming common (especially the flip phone design that was ever more popularized through the Motorola Razr's mass popularity).

The official crossover, IMO, is around 2007 when the iPhone is officially released, dial up is practically a thing of the past, streaming/downloading music begins to take over sales of traditional physical formats, Blu-Ray v. HD-DVD format war is at its peak (with Blu- Ray subsequently winning), among other major technological trends.

Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web in March of 1989, but it wasn't officially released to the public until 1991. So even though commercial internet did not exist, it did already technically exist, along with PCs starting to become common in people's households, video game consoles becoming a mainstay with the peak in popularity of the NES & Sega Genesis being first released, Gameboys are also released in 89', along with VCRs being common at this point & video rental stores like Blockbuster beginning to hit the mass markets across the country. So similar to the cusp period between 2004-2007, give or take, between the transition of Web 1.0 Era technology (which defined the childhoods of Gen Y) to the Web 2.0 Era Technology (which defined/defines the childhoods of Gen Z), the period between 1988-1991 is another similar cusp period with the technology of the analog era (which defined the childhoods of both Boomers & Xers) transitioning to the early electronic/Web 1.0 Era (the subsequent childhoods of Gen Yers).

Thus we could formulate a rough but decent analysis on who grew up during which era of technology. Using the theory on peak childhood (ages 7-8 being the absolute 'soul' of one's childhood, or simply from an American perspective when someone was in the 2nd Grade) we can make a bit of a graph on the eras of childhood for different generations using the impact of technology as a guide:

Born Late 1980 to Mid 1983: Gen X/Y Cusps - Peak Childhoods from Late 1988 to Mid 1991 during the Analog to Digital/Web 1.0 Transition

Born Late 1983 to Mid 1987: Early Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods during the early days of the World Wide Web from 1991-1995 prior to the release of Windows 95

Born Late 1987 to Mid 1992: Core Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods during the core Windows 95/98/00 Days, when AOL rose in popularity, and prior to internet global usage rates hitting the 50% threshold for the first time in 2000, so prior from 1995-2000

Born Late 1992 to Mid 1996: Late Gen Yers - Peak Childhoods post 50% Global Internet Usage rates and during the peak in popularity for Windows XP, but prior to DSL/Broadband overtaking Dial Up usage in mid 2004, so from 2000-2004

Born Late 1996 to Mid 1999: Gen Y/Z Cusps - Peak Childhoods post DSL/Broadband overtaking Dial Up in national usage and during the time that social media rose immensely in popularity, Wikis became popular, YouTube was launched, & modern web design came to fruition; but this was prior to the release of the iPhone which truly changed the game on how the internet could be utilized, and before online gaming became big in the Late 2000s due to the popularity of 7th Generation consoles, so from 2004-2007

Born Late 1999 to present: Gen Z - Peak Childhoods in a post Web 2.0/iPhone world. First truly modern era of kids, pertaining to technology. So Late 2007 to the present.


There are no cusps in the generational gaps. I looked it up. Generation Y begins with 1981 born because GenX were born from 1965 to 1980. This is not an argument lol. Just clearing it out.

There are no cusps in the generational gaps. I looked it up. Generation Y begins with 1981 born because GenX were born from 1965 to 1980. This is not an argument lol. Just clearing it out.


What you found is only ONE source. If you look up the generations on Wikipedia, you'll find that the age ranges are conflicting. While Pew uses 1981-1996 for Gen Y, McCrindle uses 1980-1994, WPP uses 1981-1998, the US Census Bureau uses 1982-2000, Elwood Carlson uses 1983-2001, there's so many different answers, none is concrete. 
Cusps can certainly exist between generations, and should. It's not like someone born January 1, 1981 automatically has a different upbringing from someone born December 31, 1980.

What you found is only ONE source. If you look up the generations on Wikipedia, you'll find that the age ranges are conflicting. While Pew uses 1981-1996 for Gen Y, McCrindle uses 1980-1994, WPP uses 1981-1998, the US Census Bureau uses 1982-2000, Elwood Carlson uses 1983-2001, there's so many different answers, none is concrete. 
Cusps can certainly exist between generations, and should. It's not like someone born January 1, 1981 automatically has a different upbringing from someone born December 31, 1980.

Well, here's another problem. Let's say someone says the Y/Z cusp is people born between 1995-2000, and a person born in 2001 says "How is someone born on December 31st, 2000 different from someone born on January 1st, 2001? The thing is every cutoff is going to be vague no matter where it's at and what it is.

Okay kids. I'm ending this generation debate right here, right now, using a pop culture icon.

Sean Combs has been around for 3 generations and has changed his name each decade. Therefore, we will use him as the defining factor in this generational debate. This is the simplest and most accurate way to define recent generations. Which ever name you grew up knowing Sean Combs as will determine your generation: X,Y, or Z.

*Puff Daddy/Puffy (only) = Generation X
*Puffy and/or P.Diddy = Generation Y
*Diddy = Generation Z
*If You have no idea who Sean Combs is = Generation Alpha


There's it's settled.

Here's my view:

Millennials are those who 'grew up' (I'll leave that open to interpretation) roughly between 1989-2006. I think this time period more or less represents to the fullest extent the centennial transition from the fall of the Soviet Union to the earliest days of social media.

1989-1994 (XY, older Y)
The post-80s and angsty early 90s

1995-2000 (XY, older Y, main Y)
The happy-go-lucky modern 90s and Y2K

2001-2006 (older Y, main Y, younger Y, YZ)
The 90s-influenced new millennium

Okay kids. I'm ending this generation debate right here, right now, using a pop culture icon.

Sean Combs has been around for 3 generations and has changed his name each decade. Therefore, we will use him as the defining factor in this generational debate. This is the simplest and most accurate way to define recent generations. Which ever name you grew up knowing Sean Combs as will determine your generation: X,Y, or Z.

*Puff Daddy/Puffy (only) = Generation X
*Puffy and/or P.Diddy = Generation Y
*Diddy = Generation Z
*If You have no idea who Sean Combs is = Generation Alpha


There's it's settled.
The only post in this whole thread that matters

Okay kids. I'm ending this generation debate right here, right now, using a pop culture icon.

Sean Combs has been around for 3 generations and has changed his name each decade. Therefore, we will use him as the defining factor in this generational debate. This is the simplest and most accurate way to define recent generations. Which ever name you grew up knowing Sean Combs as will determine your generation: X,Y, or Z.

*Puff Daddy/Puffy (only) = Generation X
*Puffy and/or P.Diddy = Generation Y
*Diddy = Generation Z
*If You have no idea who Sean Combs is = Generation Alpha


There's it's settled.


Tee hee  ;D

Apparently Millennials are the Worst Tippers Now:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/voraciously/wp/2018/06/19/millennials-tip-the-least-but-it-may-not-be-for-the-reasons-you-think/?utm_term=.43e0099eb46a


The drama never ends...

We have no money. Boomers will regret these thinkpieces in 2020 when Millennials throw them out of power after the next recession they caused.

What did you guys think of the first video I linked? Did it get your blood pumpin' with the exciting music and crazy events?

What did you guys think of the first video I linked? Did it get your blood pumpin' with the exciting music and crazy events?
Yeah, it did. I watched it a month ago and it was interesting.

Another interesting read:


https://www.theringer.com/pop-culture/2018/6/21/17487974/millennials-meaning-age-young-old


I agree with a lot of the points raised.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you've posted here, but specifically wanted to comment on the Gen Y Web 2.0 stuff. I was 16 when MySpace launched, and 17 when Facebook launched, but honestly neither of them became particularly popular until after I had started college. To me, that's a big part of being Peak Gen Y is that you had to adapt to the popularity of social media during your later teen years. Most guys around my age were either finished with their senior year, or starting it when social media started becoming relevant during 2005.

When it comes to the childhood stuff, I'd say that most Peak Gen Yers had a childhood that was largely computer free. That might be something that goes against what's commonly concluded, but, as you pointed out, it wasn't until the early '00s that the United States achieved 50% online access, but even when it comes to computers themselves, I'm pretty sure that as late as 1998 it was less than 40% of the population that even owned a computer. My parents did not get their first computer until I was 12 years old, and that was fairly common for my age group. Guys my age are the last group to have spent the majority of their childhood likely without a computer.

So what a couple of years older then? Late teens is basicly adult years. I don't make you unique like someone who was 13 or 14 when social media started getting popular

So what a couple of years older then? Late teens is basicly adult years. I don't make you unique like someone who was 13 or 14 when social media started getting popular


Hence why I feel he thinks his cohort is the perfect equilibrium for the Millennial Generation. Early Millennials (born 1982-1986/1987) spent all of their core childhoods prior to 1995 when the internet started to become known to the general public. They were also teens primarily before the popularity of Myspace hit the internet and the generation as a whole.

Late Millennials (born 1992-1997/1998) were in their core childhoods post 2000 when the internet was standard & surpassed 50% global usage rates, but prior to 2007, when Web 2.0 Web design/technology was completely standardized and when the iPhone released. They were also in their core teenaged years in the Late 2000s/Early 2010s when smartphones were becoming common and popular.

Finally, the core Millennials (born 1987-1992) were in their core childhoods post 1995/release of Windows 95, and pre 2000 when the internet adoption rates reached 50% and it became standardized. Their teenaged years in the mid-late 2000s also coincided with a 'digital revolution' of sorts; transitioning from the (relatively) antiquated technological landscape of the early 2000s (white chunky computers, local multiplayer for gaming still king, dial up, no social media, chat rooms, Nokia 'Brick Phones' with 'Snake', etc.) to the more modern technological landscape of the Late 2000s (sleek/HD capable computers, broadband/WiFi, Social media in abundance, Online Multiplayer being common in the game industry, more advanced flip/slider phones, Blackberrys/iPhones, etc.). While all three groups of the Millennial Generation remember these changes in the 1990s & 2000s, The Core Group of Late 1980s & Early 1990s babies were the ones that grew up 'perfectly' during all of those core watershed moments. The Early Cohort were already College age during this time, so not necessarily 'growing up' with these technological trends but young enough that they could've still adapted to them (in which many of them did). The Late Cohort, like the Core, also grew up during these trends, but were mainly children when these changes were occurring. Most remember the antiquated world of the early 2000s, but they were also the bratty middle/high school school kids on multiplayer chatrooms in the late 2000s bragging about how big their d*ck was to a bunch of grown ass men ;D

We were a complicated bucnh ;D.


Late 80s & Early 90s babies arguably had the 'perfect' coming of age experience as they spent much of their childhoods in the 1990s when Analog technology (VHS, Cassettes, etc.) was prominent but coinciding with the rise in digital technology (the internet, cell phones, etc.). By the time they were in their core 'youth' periods in the 2000s the technological landscape was rapidly changing into the modern world of today. It wasn't overnight, nothing that stark, but using the year 2005 as an example, the technological landscape of 1990 when 2005 was going on looked immensely different. Even other similar 15 year intervals have noticeably aged like; 1995-2010 & 2000-2015. However, in 2020 (assuming much of our technological world of today stays pretty similar in just a short two years) the world of 2005 in comparison to 2020 will certainly feel dated as well, but not as jarringly different as similar 15 year intervals of the relatively recent past.

Hence why I feel he thinks his cohort is the perfect equilibrium for the Millennial Generation. Early Millennials (born 1982-1986/1987) spent all of their core childhoods prior to 1995 when the internet started to become known to the general public. They were also teens primarily before the popularity of Myspace hit the internet and the generation as a whole.

Late Millennials (born 1992-1997/1998) were in their core childhoods post 2000 when the internet was standard & surpassed 50% global usage rates, but prior to 2007, when Web 2.0 Web design/technology was completely standardized and when the iPhone released. They were also in their core teenaged years in the Late 2000s/Early 2010s when smartphones were becoming common and popular.

Finally, the core Millennials (born 1987-1992) were in their core childhoods post 1995/release of Windows 95, and pre 2000 when the internet adoption rates reached 50% and it became standardized. Their teenaged years in the mid-late 2000s also coincided with a 'digital revolution' of sorts; transitioning from the (relatively) antiquated technological landscape of the early 2000s (white chunky computers, local multiplayer for gaming still king, dial up, no social media, chat rooms, Nokia 'Brick Phones' with 'Snake', etc.) to the more modern technological landscape of the Late 2000s (sleek/HD capable computers, broadband/WiFi, Social media in abundance, Online Multiplayer being common in the game industry, more advanced flip/slider phones, Blackberrys/iPhones, etc.). While all three groups of the Millennial Generation remember these changes in the 1990s & 2000s, The Core Group of Late 1980s & Early 1990s babies were the ones that grew up 'perfectly' during all of those core watershed moments. The Early Cohort were already College age during this time, so not necessarily 'growing up' with these technological trends but young enough that they could've still adapted to them (in which many of them did). The Late Cohort, like the Core, also grew up during these trends, but were mainly children when these changes were occurring. Most remember the antiquated world of the early 2000s, but they were also the bratty middle/high school school kids on multiplayer chatrooms in the late 2000s bragging about how big their d*ck was to a bunch of grown ass men ;D

We were a complicated bucnh ;D.


Late 80s & Early 90s babies arguably had the 'perfect' coming of age experience as they spent much of their childhoods in the 1990s when Analog technology (VHS, Cassettes, etc.) was prominent but coinciding with the rise in digital technology (the internet, cell phones, etc.). By the time they were in their core 'youth' periods in the 2000s the technological landscape was rapidly changing into the modern world of today. It wasn't overnight, nothing that stark, but using the year 2005 as an example, the technological landscape of 1990 when 2005 was going on looked immensely different. Even other similar 15 year intervals have noticeably aged like; 1995-2010 & 2000-2015. However, in 2020 (assuming much of our technological world of today stays pretty similar in just a short two years) the world of 2005 in comparison to 2020 will certainly feel dated as well, but not as jarringly different as similar 15 year intervals of the relatively recent past.

With all that said I still say there's a gap between 80s borns and 90s borns. I can talk to someone born in say 88 and and 83 and honestly don't see don't see a difference between how they grew up. However, talk to an 88 born and a 93 born and there seem to be a difference between the two. The fact is there isn' a difference between anyone born in the mid 80s and late 80s. They went through elementary, middle, and highschool to together with only a few years between. You can slice into "early", "core", or "late" but if you graduated highschool anytime between 2002 and 2005 then there is no difference

With all that said I still say there's a gap between 80s borns and 90s borns. I can talk to someone born in say 88 and and 83 and honestly don't see don't see a difference between how they grew up. However, talk to an 88 born and a 93 born and there seem to be a difference between the two. The fact is there isn' a difference between anyone born in the mid 80s and late 80s. They went through elementary, middle, and highschool to together with only a few years between. You can slice into "early", "core", or "late" but if you graduated highschool anytime between 2002 and 2005 then there is no difference
  Those that graduated high school in 2002 to 2005 are the earliest group of full off-cusp Millennials I'd say, since they were in high school for 9/11 and their childhoods peaked in the early Nicktoon era. That being said, personally I'm more keen on splitting the Millennial generation into halves. The two models I use interchangeably for Millennials are 1981-1996 (Pew) and 1982-1999 (18-year theory). For the former, 1981-1988  would be the first half and 1989-1996 would be the second half. For the latter, 1982-1990 would be the first half, and 1991-1999 being the second half. Personally, I believe generation cohorts should be 9-year cohorts instead of 15-18-year cohorts. I have my own generation theory that I may link later on today when I have access to a desktop (at work using my phone currently)

Edit - Here's the source
https://captainsupperchamber.blogspot.com/2018/03/new-generation-theory-9-year-model.html

(at work using my phone currently)

http://i.imgur.com/5dlIzd3.jpg

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  Those that graduated high school in 2002 to 2005 are the earliest group of full off-cusp Millennials I'd say, since they were in high school for 9/11 and their childhoods peaked in the early Nicktoon era. That being said, personally I'm more keen on splitting the Millennial generation into halves. The two models I use interchangeably for Millennials are 1981-1996 (Pew) and 1982-1999 (18-year theory). For the former, 1981-1988  would be the first half and 1989-1996 would be the second half. For the latter, 1982-1990 would be the first half, and 1991-1999 being the second half. Personally, I believe generation cohorts should be 9-year cohorts instead of 15-18-year cohorts. I have my own generation theory that I may link later on today when I have access to a desktop (at work using my phone currently)

Edit - Here's the source
https://captainsupperchamber.blogspot.com/2018/03/new-generation-theory-9-year-model.html

This I agree with as it makes actual sense

Interesting piece I read the other day:

https://www.refinery29.com/2018/08/205859/selling-out-millennials-why

Along with this article pondering on this same topic from a couple of years ago:

https://qz.com/751171/millennials-are-totally-cool-with-selling-out/

There is also this recent video from CBS News that also kind of ties into this:

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Thoughts?

We're broke so yeah, we'll do anything we can to get by, even selling out.

On a related note, I wonder if some day the media might randomly go back to using the Gen Y name since some people say they miss that name, or that it's less confusing than Millennials, or has less of a negative stigma. I mean the media works in strange ways with their old material. Like how they air old commercials (i.e. Sears air conditioning) for nearly a decade, then ditch them for a few years, then randomly show them again 5 years later. That's the best metaphor I can think of. :P

It's pretty weird how I still see "Gen Y" being used synonymously with "Millennial" in UK and Canada articles yet Gen Y seems to have been totally scrubbed from American media since about 2013-2014.

Reading this thread, y'all just too obsessed with defining generations/people based on their childhoods like seriously...

Reading this thread, y'all just too obsessed with defining generations/people based on their childhoods like seriously...


Perhaps childhood is placed too much. But generally speaking, historical, pop cultural, & political events that occurred during your childhood, adolescence, & 'coming of age years' is what helps defines what shaped your generation. So when analyzing when someone's childhood took place is just one piece of an elaborate puzzle, but still a pretty big piece if I do say so myself.

Anyways, I'm not here to debate time periods, I just want to have a civil discussion.

Interesting editorial regarding 'selling out'.

https://www.wired.com/2015/10/the-mend-indie-film-selling-out/

Reading this thread, y'all just too obsessed with defining generations/people based on their childhoods like seriously...


I'm just afraid if this is going to turn into a generation cutoff thread.

I'm just afraid if this is going to turn into a generation cutoff thread.


This thread has been going on for 10 pages and it’s been pretty civil so far which is surprising.

Just stumbled upon this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-07/move-over-millennials-it-s-gen-z-s-turn-to-kill-industries

Apparently Millennials and Gen Z are expected to 'kill', Football, Brick & Mortar stores, and Print Magazines. The generational bashing doesn't stop.

I saw this interesting video regarding this 'Millennials are killing EVERYTHING!!!" phenomenon a few days ago, and it explains in great detail why the blame for many businesses going downhill has nothing do to with our generation, but rather the businesses failing to sufficiently adapt. This is nothing new; this is the same society that just 100 years ago evolved rapidly from the Horse & Buggy to the Automobile in relatively short time of 10-15 years (mainly in the 1910s & 1920s). Overall, I agree with his points, society's changing, and its up to companies to change with the times, and not bemoan the young generation for merely coming of age within these changing times.

Apparently Millennials and Gen Z are expected to 'kill', Football, Brick & Mortar stores, and Print Magazines. The generational bashing doesn't stop.


This one agonizes me. Football has been the most popular sport in America for decades, including the Super Bowl being the biggest sporting event in America, however, I have heard of people saying that in the next couple of decades the NBA will take over as the most popular of the major 4 professional sports over the NFL. As a die hard football fan in the south I can't agree with this at all, but it's not impossible. Roger Goodell being owner of the NFL since 2006 has ruined it in certain ways and with all the new rules coming into play with the NFL with the referees being more strict it's ruining the fun of the game like it used to be in years past. The national anthem protests controversy hasn't helped at all either. So I don't blame people for coming up with these theories, and yes the NBA has been growing a lot as of late with the younger demographic but it's evolved at the same time. Baseball is a sport with an older demographic that is past its prime and has declined in popularity over the years.

As I've suggested before, you guys think they'll ever bring back the Gen Y name for a throwback some day? I mean they brought back a bunch of other things from the 90s/early 2000s. Some things we thought weren't even necessary to bring back.

Still waiting on the media to bring back Gen Y as a throwback name. They've rehashed many other things so why not this, lol.

Still waiting on the media to bring back Gen Y as a throwback name. They've rehashed many other things so why not this, lol.
Maybe when media will move onto Gen Z as their next punching ball and the 'millenial' slur would have lost its shine. By then, Gen Y will probably be used back for the 80s borns turning as respectable 40-something workers since 'millenial' would have completely lost its meaning by being constantly wrongly used.

Is it just me or does it already feel like the Millennial hype of the early & mid 2010s is dying down?

Is it just me or does it already feel like the Millennial hype of the early & mid 2010s is dying down?


Because our generation is finally starting to grow up:


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/20/more-millennials-live-in-the-suburbs-than-in-cities.html

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/11/millennials-home-buying-generation-priced-out/574840/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38699/millennials-finally-moving-out-parents-basements-ashe-schow

It is about time, but it does correlate rather reasonably. If you think about it, going with the general time span of Millennials as 1982-2000 (the least controversial age range) in comparison to the Baby Boomers as 1946-1964, we're at a similar age range in 2018 as the Baby Boomers were in 1982. In 1982, the former generation of YIPPIES were slowly becoming the generation of YUPPIES:

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A similar phenomenon is occurring right now with our generation. Many former hipsters are now ditching their beanies & skinny jeans in favor for turtle neck sweaters & slacks. This recent ad from Amazon, jokingly, shows how many people in our generation are now breaking out into more conventional molds:

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Hence why it seems like the Millennial bashing (while still prevalent) has been starting to wane. As we get older & become more mature, there is less sh!t for marketers to say about us (although they shouldn't have been talking smack to begin with, but I digress).

Maybe when media will move onto Gen Z as their next punching ball and the 'millenial' slur would have lost its shine. By then, Gen Y will probably be used back for the 80s borns turning as respectable 40-something workers since 'millenial' would have completely lost its meaning by being constantly wrongly used.

I definitely noticed a lot more "normies" becoming aware of Gen Z this year. This was the biggest watershed year for Gen Z so far, no contest. I predict by 2020 Gen Z will be talked about a lot more than Millennials, already you can feel the shift. Similar to people talking more about "Gen Y" (as they were called back then) and less about Gen X by 2000.

I definitely noticed a lot more "normies" becoming aware of Gen Z this year. This was the biggest watershed year for Gen Z so far, no contest. I predict by 2020 Gen Z will be talked about a lot more than Millennials, already you can feel the shift. Similar to people talking more about "Gen Y" (as they were called back then) and less about Gen X by 2000.
Agreed, I've noticed it last year with watching a bunch of YouTubers, radio hosts says generation z and the 2017 VMA awards acknowledge them as well. I think by 2020 we'll have a clear starting point for gen z since we'll have more 2000s borns that'll already be out of high school.

Because our generation is finally starting to grow up:


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/20/more-millennials-live-in-the-suburbs-than-in-cities.html

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/11/millennials-home-buying-generation-priced-out/574840/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38699/millennials-finally-moving-out-parents-basements-ashe-schow

It is about time, but it does correlate rather reasonably. If you think about it, going with the general time span of Millennials as 1982-2000 (the least controversial age range) in comparison to the Baby Boomers as 1946-1964, we're at a similar age range in 2018 as the Baby Boomers were in 1982. In 1982, the former generation of YIPPIES were slowly becoming the generation of YUPPIES:

GRAg_PUnbLE


A similar phenomenon is occurring right now with our generation. Many former hipsters are now ditching their beanies & skinny jeans in favor for turtle neck sweaters & slacks. This recent ad from Amazon, jokingly, shows how many people in our generation are now breaking out into more conventional molds:

JqBZwUTFLg8


Hence why it seems like the Millennial bashing (while still prevalent) has been starting to wane. As we get older & become more mature, there is less sh!t for marketers to say about us (although they shouldn't have been talking smack to begin with, but I digress).


Don't forget that the definition of Boomers has the same Chinese Zodiac animals as the 1982-2000 definition of Millennials.

Don't forget that the definition of Boomers has the same Chinese Zodiac animals as the 1982-2000 definition of Millennials.


True dat. Another reason why I think that the 1982-2000 definition is the most balanced.

-Born prior to 1982, & you would've been the last to have come of age in the 1990s or prior, let alone spending most of your core youth culture prior to 1998 when Gen Y culture became big

-Born after 2000 & you would've been the first to have been born in the 21st century & spend most of your youth culture after 2016 in which things have been trending more towards Gen Z culture.


Thus 1982-2000 serves as a good age range. Not to mention how it correlates demographically, as Baby on Board stickers started to appear in Late 81'/Early 82' around when societal values regarding children started to change more conservatively.

True dat. Another reason why I think that the 1982-2000 definition is the most balanced.

-Born prior to 1982, & you would've been the last to have come of age in the 1990s or prior, let alone spending most of your core youth culture prior to 1998 when Gen Y culture became big

-Born after 2000 & you would've been the first to have been born in the 21st century & spend most of your youth culture after 2016 in which things have been trending more towards Gen Z culture.


Thus 1982-2000 serves as a good age range. Not to mention how it correlates demographically, as Baby on Board stickers started to appear in Late 81'/Early 82' around when societal values regarding children started to change more conservatively.
There's a lot of good years to start gen z 1995, 1997, 2000.

There's a lot of good years to start gen z 1995, 1997, 2000.
And why not 1996, 1998 or 1999?? ???

And why not 1996, 1998 or 1999?? ???


1998 and 1999 will likely be controversial starting dates because you are including every 90's born except them (or 1999) as Millennials.

And then you will have this one person (that was born in 1998 or 1999) talking about how he/she was born before Y2K and is able to (vaguely) remember 9/11.

1998 and 1999 will likely be controversial starting dates because you are including every 90's born except them (or 1999) as Millennials.
And why is 1982 not a controversial starting date since you're calling every 80's born millenial except 80-81 then?? ???

And why is 1982 not a controversial starting date since you're calling every 80's born millenial except 80-81 then?? ???


The reason why some sources start the Millennial generation in 1982 is because people born in 1982 were the first to graduate high school in a 2xxx year.

I think that mqg96 had the generation definitions as something like this for a while because it seemed to be the least controversial (in his opinion):

Baby Boomers: 1945-1964 (includes everyone born in the second half of the 40's, the 50's, and the first half of the 60's)
Gen X: 1965-1979 (includes everyone born in the second half of the 60's and the 70's)
Millennials: 1980-1999 (includes everyone born in the 80's and 90's)

I also believe that SeaCaptainMan97/Milky Pirate wanted generations grouped by decade of birth because of a similar reason.

Y'know I've wondered if any movies or TV shows at all besides the news ever used the term "Millennials" before 2013/2014? Since 2013-2014 it's been sprayed like crazy in all movies and TV shows. But before then it was much rarer, wonder if there's some obscure movies/shows from the late 90s where a director slipped "Millennials" in because he read it somewhere and thought it sounded cool. ;D

The reason why some sources start the Millennial generation in 1982 is because people born in 1982 were the first to graduate high school in a 2xxx year.

I think that mqg96 had the generation definitions as something like this for a while because it seemed to be the least controversial (in his opinion):

Baby Boomers: 1945-1964 (includes everyone born in the second half of the 40's, the 50's, and the first half of the 60's)
Gen X: 1965-1979 (includes everyone born in the second half of the 60's and the 70's)
Millennials: 1980-1999 (includes everyone born in the 80's and 90's)

I also believe that SeaCaptainMan97/Milky Pirate wanted generations grouped by decade of birth because of a similar reason.


I've always felt confused about the generations esp. the older ones. Recently found out that I'm a Millennial...(yay).

The Fine Bros. did a video recently comparing the answers made by Millennial and Baby Boomer respondents on whether or not certain industries are being 'killed by Millennials'?

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I've always felt confused about the generations esp. the older ones. Recently found out that I'm a Millennial...(yay).
Intresting. That you now clam yourself as a Millenial. I know 80 born are usually seen as the tail end of gen x or the oldest Y. Had you joined perc a few years ago you would've found out sooner. There were tons of generation debate on there,  but you can claim either just like people my age claim either y or z.

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IN 2019:

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Here is a funny video about Generation Z ;D.

Funny video.

Somewhat related. Now on Facebook you see all these posts like "Born 2000-2004 is the best, too young for 90s, but too old for Fortnite Jake Paulers" and I'm like "Holy sh* people born in 2004 are now the vast majority of the Internet, I'm getting old". ;D And it all happened in a flash around 2018-2019, Gen Z taking over the Internet, the shift was noticeable to me around that time.

For example. Since mid 2018 there's been an explosion of nostalgia for the Late 00s-Early 10s. Whereas before 2018 I remember the late 00s-early 10s were still widely considered the "downfall into sh*t era" by most. Like, late 00s-early 10s nostalgia still seemed taboo/virtually nonexistent in 2017, but then just one year later in 2018, with the snap of a finger, it exploded, lol (like the "Hey you guys remember playing Minecraft in middle school" ASMRs).

But I'm not mad though, it's their turn to have nostalgia. I pretty much overdosed on early 2000s nostalgia around 2014-2017, so now it's Gen Z's turn to overdose on late 00s-early 10s nostalgia.

Funny video.

Somewhat related. Now on Facebook you see all these posts like "Born 2000-2004 is the best, too young for 90s, but too old for Fortnite Jake Paulers" and I'm like "Holy sh* people born in 2004 are now the vast majority of the Internet, I'm getting old". ;D And it all happened in a flash around 2018-2019, Gen Z taking over the Internet, the shift was noticeable to me around that time.

For example. Since mid 2018 there's been an explosion of nostalgia for the Late 00s-Early 10s. Whereas before 2018 I remember the late 00s-early 10s were still widely considered the "downfall into sh*t era" by most. Like, late 00s-early 10s nostalgia still seemed taboo/virtually nonexistent in 2017, but then just one year later in 2018, with the snap of a finger, it exploded, lol (like the "Hey you guys remember playing Minecraft in middle school" ASMRs).

But I'm not mad though, it's their turn to have nostalgia. I pretty much overdosed on early 2000s nostalgia around 2014-2017, so now it's Gen Z's turn to overdose on late 00s-early 10s nostalgia.


By any chance, are you DiscombobulatedEcho7 on Reddit? hehe.

By any chance, are you DiscombobulatedEcho7 on Reddit? hehe.

Nope. But I saw his post on /r/starterpacks about the Gen Z nostalgia beginning, and agreed with it.

Nope. But I saw his post on /r/starterpacks about the Gen Z nostalgia beginning, and agreed with it.


I see. I thought it was you (or ThePrequelsSuck, some other dude on the internet) because you post the same content and cite the same examples haha.

Funny video.

Somewhat related. Now on Facebook you see all these posts like "Born 2000-2004 is the best, too young for 90s, but too old for Fortnite Jake Paulers" and I'm like "Holy sh* people born in 2004 are now the vast majority of the Internet, I'm getting old". ;D And it all happened in a flash around 2018-2019, Gen Z taking over the Internet, the shift was noticeable to me around that time.

For example. Since mid 2018 there's been an explosion of nostalgia for the Late 00s-Early 10s. Whereas before 2018 I remember the late 00s-early 10s were still widely considered the "downfall into sh*t era" by most. Like, late 00s-early 10s nostalgia still seemed taboo/virtually nonexistent in 2017, but then just one year later in 2018, with the snap of a finger, it exploded, lol (like the "Hey you guys remember playing Minecraft in middle school" ASMRs).

But I'm not mad though, it's their turn to have nostalgia. I pretty much overdosed on early 2000s nostalgia around 2014-2017, so now it's Gen Z's turn to overdose on late 00s-early 10s nostalgia.


It’s funny because in real life late 00s/early 10s nostalgia will be mainly for people our age because we were teenagers at the time. That was our main pop culture era.

It’s funny because in real life late 00s/early 10s nostalgia will be mainly for people our age because we were teenagers at the time. That was our main pop culture era.


Well, kids' culture is different from pop culture, so yeah, I see what you mean.

It’s funny because in real life late 00s/early 10s nostalgia will be mainly for people our age because we were teenagers at the time. That was our main pop culture era.


THIS. We should be claiming that, not these pos trolls born after 2000 >:(......ok... obviously kidding ;D. But still though, it almost seemed like the spotlight on 90s baby nostalgia was relatively short lived. 80s babies dominated it from roughly 2005 (with the first '90s kids' threads being posted on Myspace back in the day) till about 2014/2015 (when the '90s kid' craze began to dwindle down and generationology of 'who is and who is NOT Gen Y/Gen Z' began to overtake it). 90s babies had a brief run of having nostalgic centered discussion from roughly 2015-2018, but ever since 2018 it seems like we already ended our reign of nostalgic retrospect to give it up to kids born in the 2000s....

Nonetheless, the silver lining is that this really only found on the internet, in real life the Late 90s are still very nostalgic, and I expect the early 2000s to be next step in the next couple of years as the early 2000s will be 20 years old at that point. In real life, nostalgia is usually recycled on a 20-30 year cycle, while on the internet it seems to recycle relatively much quicker.

Jesus, y'all take nostalgia as if it was a will of possession

Jesus, y'all take nostalgia as if it was a will of possession


http://i.rocdn.com/v2/61365991

Us 90s babies gotta unite a take what's ours

In real life, nostalgia is usually recycled on a 20-30 year cycle, while on the internet it seems to recycle relatively much quicker.

That's true. I think it's because the Internet, especially Youtube, usually has like a 13-18 year old target audience, and newer generations cycle in and out of it, hence why nostalgia moves faster online. Like back in 2012, I remember Youtube comments saying "Man Kim possible and PS2 in 2002 were the good ol days", when the target audience of YouTube was those around our age. Now in 2019 it's mostly "Man Adventure time and Minecraft in 2012 were the good ol days" because Youtube's target audience is now those younger than us, who cycled into the 13-18 age group as we cycled out of it.

Also, you remember how all the memes gatekept being a 90s baby and said "1990-1994 is real 90s babies, 1995-1999 doesn't count" and stuff? Well all of that seems to be cyclical, lol. Because now teens have memes on social media about how "Born 2000-2004 is the Minecraft generation, 2005+ is Fortnite Jake Paulers", with people arguing about "No 2005 is Minecraft generation, Paulers are 2006 and up" "No Paulers are 2007 and up" "No they're 2010 and up!", lol.

That's true. I think it's because the Internet, especially Youtube, usually has like a 13-18 year old target audience, and newer generations cycle in and out of it, hence why nostalgia moves faster online. Like back in 2012, I remember Youtube comments saying "Man Kim possible and PS2 in 2002 were the good ol days", when the target audience of YouTube was those around our age. Now in 2019 it's mostly "Man Adventure time and Minecraft in 2012 were the good ol days" because Youtube's target audience is now those younger than us, who cycled into the 13-18 age group as we cycled out of it.

Also, you remember how all the memes gatekept being a 90s baby and said "1990-1994 is real 90s babies, 1995-1999 doesn't count" and stuff? Well all of that seems to be cyclical, lol. Because now teens have memes on social media about how "Born 2000-2004 is the Minecraft generation, 2005+ is Fortnite Jake Paulers", with people arguing about "No 2005 is Minecraft generation, Paulers are 2006 and up" "No Paulers are 2007 and up" "No they're 2010 and up!", lol.


The cycle never ends. But ONE thing will ring true till the end of time....... those born AFTER 2000 SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(

Ok....... kidding. But seriously this video was so damn cringey to watch ;D;

https://www.buzzfeed.com/watch/video/71046?bfsource=relatedauto


BTW, outside of Jacob Sautoris, who are these people that Gen Z be idolizing to ???

That's true. I think it's because the Internet, especially Youtube, usually has like a 13-18 year old target audience, and newer generations cycle in and out of it, hence why nostalgia moves faster online. Like back in 2012, I remember Youtube comments saying "Man Kim possible and PS2 in 2002 were the good ol days", when the target audience of YouTube was those around our age. Now in 2019 it's mostly "Man Adventure time and Minecraft in 2012 were the good ol days" because Youtube's target audience is now those younger than us, who cycled into the 13-18 age group as we cycled out of it.

Also, you remember how all the memes gatekept being a 90s baby and said "1990-1994 is real 90s babies, 1995-1999 doesn't count" and stuff? Well all of that seems to be cyclical, lol. Because now teens have memes on social media about how "Born 2000-2004 is the Minecraft generation, 2005+ is Fortnite Jake Paulers", with people arguing about "No 2005 is Minecraft generation, Paulers are 2006 and up" "No Paulers are 2007 and up" "No they're 2010 and up!", lol.


As you get older the age difference gets progressively smaller. When I was 17 and people born in 1991 were 21, the difference seemed pretty big, but now at 24 and 28 it’s not something you think about.

Also, you remember how all the memes gatekept being a 90s baby and said "1990-1994 is real 90s babies, 1995-1999 doesn't count" and stuff? Well all of that seems to be cyclical, lol. Because now teens have memes on social media about how "Born 2000-2004 is the Minecraft generation, 2005+ is Fortnite Jake Paulers", with people arguing about "No 2005 is Minecraft generation, Paulers are 2006 and up" "No Paulers are 2007 and up" "No they're 2010 and up!", lol.


I'll just leave this here...

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Every age block feels the need to be special in being "the last group to _____."

That's true. I think it's because the Internet, especially Youtube, usually has like a 13-18 year old target audience, and newer generations cycle in and out of it, hence why nostalgia moves faster online. Like back in 2012, I remember Youtube comments saying "Man Kim possible and PS2 in 2002 were the good ol days", when the target audience of YouTube was those around our age. Now in 2019 it's mostly "Man Adventure time and Minecraft in 2012 were the good ol days" because Youtube's target audience is now those younger than us, who cycled into the 13-18 age group as we cycled out of it.

Also, you remember how all the memes gatekept being a 90s baby and said "1990-1994 is real 90s babies, 1995-1999 doesn't count" and stuff? Well all of that seems to be cyclical, lol. Because now teens have memes on social media about how "Born 2000-2004 is the Minecraft generation, 2005+ is Fortnite Jake Paulers", with people arguing about "No 2005 is Minecraft generation, Paulers are 2006 and up" "No Paulers are 2007 and up" "No they're 2010 and up!", lol.
2012 was when people started warming up the early 00s but you still had late 80s and early 90s babies pushing 90s nostalgia. Back in 2010/11 it seemed that most of the YouTube comment section was 20-25 but with the rise of smartphone usesge a lot more teens began to join the conversation.

2012 was when people started warming up the early 00s but you still had late 80s and early 90s babies pushing 90s nostalgia. Back in 2010/11 it seemed that most of the YouTube comment section was 20-25 but with the rise of smartphone usesge a lot more teens began to join the conversation.


I agree. Back in the early days of the platform, it seemed like the core usage for YouTube was closer to something like; ages 13-26 (or more specifically ages 15-22). The usership has definitely skewed noticeably younger in the last few years. Now it seems like something closer to the lines of ages 9-22, with ages 11-20 being the core of it.

I agree. Back in the early days of the platform, it seemed like the core usage for YouTube was closer to something like; ages 13-26 (or more specifically ages 15-22). The usership has definitely skewed noticeably younger in the last few years. Now it seems like something closer to the lines of ages 9-22, with ages 11-20 being the core of it.
Yeah i felt like a little kid in these decade nostalgia discussions back then even in 2013 when i started following the console wars discussions.it was mostly people in their 20s and 30s that were making videos and commenting. Interesting how gen z YouTube has gotten since 2016.

Yeah i felt like a little kid in these decade nostalgia discussions back then even in 2013 when i started following the console wars discussions.it was mostly people in their 20s and 30s that were making videos and commenting. Interesting how gen z YouTube has gotten since 2016.

It's interesting how the nostalgia discussions shifted. As I've said before people on the Internet in 2012 used to hate on late 00s-early 10s kid culture like iCarly, Johnny Test, Bieber, Hannah Montana, etc., because most of the userbase was Millennials who were out of the target audience for those things, and gushed about the 90s. Example videos:

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But now by 2019 the internet is full of Zoomers who are nostalgic for those once-hated late 00s-early 10s things like iCarly and Hannah Montana, because they grew up with them. These videos are well-received in 2019, but would not have gone down well in 2012, lol.

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It has finally come to this.....

https://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/tweets-feel-old-90s

There are kids born in the 2000s that wish they were born in the 90s. The “bawnnn in da lewong neration” has jumped the shark ;D.

It has finally come to this.....

https://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/tweets-feel-old-90s

There are kids born in the 2000s that wish they were born in the 90s. The “bawnnn in da lewong neration” has jumped the shark ;D.


I have literally never met a single person in real life who wishes they had been born in a different decade. I’ve only ever seen that online.

That's true. I think it's because the Internet, especially Youtube, usually has like a 13-18 year old target audience, and newer generations cycle in and out of it, hence why nostalgia moves faster online. Like back in 2012, I remember Youtube comments saying "Man Kim possible and PS2 in 2002 were the good ol days", when the target audience of YouTube was those around our age. Now in 2019 it's mostly "Man Adventure time and Minecraft in 2012 were the good ol days" because Youtube's target audience is now those younger than us, who cycled into the 13-18 age group as we cycled out of it.

Also, you remember how all the memes gatekept being a 90s baby and said "1990-1994 is real 90s babies, 1995-1999 doesn't count" and stuff? Well all of that seems to be cyclical, lol. Because now teens have memes on social media about how "Born 2000-2004 is the Minecraft generation, 2005+ is Fortnite Jake Paulers", with people arguing about "No 2005 is Minecraft generation, Paulers are 2006 and up" "No Paulers are 2007 and up" "No they're 2010 and up!", lol.


Yeah, I'm actually old enough to recall when '90s kids used to get made fun of. Back during the early '00s, when I was around 14 or so, there would be older guys talking about how awesome '80s kids were and how much '90s kids sucked because we didn't have Atari and stuff like that. Of course, YouTube wasn't a thing back then so there wasn't as much of this, but it was still pretty big online for any kids that grew up during the '90s to get critiqued for not being '80s kids.

The first examples of this with '90s kids emerged around the early days of YouTube. I can recall coming across videos of guys talking about how Nick was so much better during the '90s and has sucked after that. '90s kid nostalgia was already huge online way before it took off across mainstream culture during the early '10s.

These arguments of kids born during the '00s make me feel so old, though. When 2002 borns are talking about the various things they liked as kids, and why they cant be part of the same generation a kid a few years younger, I literally don't know what stuff their even talking .

It has finally come to this.....

https://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/tweets-feel-old-90s

There are kids born in the 2000s that wish they were born in the 90s. The “bawnnn in da lewong neration” has jumped the shark ;D.

If you go into the comment section you can see a lot of 80s babies hating. I didn't know that "I wish I was born in the 90s." was a bad thing. 30 something year old's still acting like high schoolers because they got to grow up in the 90s? To us the 00s was a great time to grow up in.

If you go into the comment section you can see a lot of 80s babies hating. I didn't know that "I wish I was born in the 90s." was a bad thing. 30 something year old's still acting like high schoolers because they got to grow up in the 90s? To us the 00s was a great time to grow up in.


People don’t want to be 80s babies anymore because they’re almost 40.

People don’t want to be 80s babies anymore because they’re almost 40.


I'm over the age of 40.

I'm over the age of 40.

You're good Howard. I have no problem with 70s babies. It's just some 80s babies still have this thing against 90s babies. We can't be nostalgic about the 2000s because they didn't like the decade and that the 90s was the last great decade blah blah blah. If anything the 80s was the last great decade.

If you go into the comment section you can see a lot of 80s babies hating. I didn't know that "I wish I was born in the 90s." was a bad thing. 30 something year old's still acting like high schoolers because they got to grow up in the 90s? To us the 00s was a great time to grow up in.

People don’t want to be 80s babies anymore because they’re almost 40.


Because nobody wants to be born in “198X” anymore ;D. No offense to the 80s babies on this forum..... but yeah us 90s babies are what’s hot now 8).


I'm over the age of 40.


But the difference with you Howard is that Generation X is actually cool. So in all honesty, being about 45 years old, you actually had a much more unique life experience that guys born after 1981 could ever dream of.... ok maybe that’s a bit hyperbolic. But hey, I wouldn’t mind being born in the mid 70s, because it would genuinely be a different experience. 10 years prior just seems a bit depressing to me (da 90s wahz da bast gunurzation), and 10 years later (Jake Pauler’s.....) also seems depressing. I like when I was born, and unless it was the mid 70s or something along those lines, I am pretty contempt with that.

You're good Howard. I have no problem with 70s babies. It's just some 80s babies still have this thing against 90s babies. We can't be nostalgic about the 2000s because they didn't like the decade.


Dude you’d be surprised, there are already comments made by 80s babies that only they can be nostalgic of the 2000s. You heard right, 80s babies are now disavowing 90s babies from 2000s nostalgia because they are now just becoming nostalgic of their high school/college aged years in the decade and they definitely don’t want to share that with 90s babies. The cycle will never end ;D.

Dude you’d be surprised, there are already comments made by 80s babies that only they can be nostalgic of the 2000s. You heard right, 80s babies are now disavowing 90s babies from 2000s nostalgia because they are now just becoming nostalgic of their high school/college aged years in the decade and they definitely don’t want to share that with 90s babies. The cycle will never end ;D.


My sister is an ‘86 baby and is definitely nostalgic for the early 2000s, but she doesn’t act like she owns it. It’s really the first time that we can both be nostalgic for the same era because I was obviously too young to remember much of anything from the 90s.

Because nobody wants to be born in “198X” anymore ;D. No offense to the 80s babies on this forum..... but yeah us 90s babies are what’s hot now 8).

But the difference with you Howard is that Generation X is actually cool. So in all honesty, being about 45 years old, you actually had a much more unique life experience that guys born after 1981 could ever dream of.... ok maybe that’s a bit hyperbolic. But hey, I wouldn’t mind being born in the mid 70s, because it would genuinely be a different experience. 10 years prior just seems a bit depressing to me (da 90s wahz da bast gunurzation), and 10 years later (Jake Pauler’s.....) also seems depressing. I like when I was born, and unless it was the mid 70s or something along those lines, I am pretty contempt with that.


My life experience was up and down, I wouldn't say it was unique.

It has finally come to this.....

https://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/tweets-feel-old-90s

There are kids born in the 2000s that wish they were born in the 90s. The “bawnnn in da lewong neration” has jumped the shark ;D.


I feel a mix of flattered yet old after reading those tweets...

It has finally come to this.....

https://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/tweets-feel-old-90s

There are kids born in the 2000s that wish they were born in the 90s. The “bawnnn in da lewong neration” has jumped the shark ;D.

Meh, buzzfeed is so corny and lame to me, this article is just copy-pasted from Dave stopera's previous le 90s articles.

Yeah, I'm actually old enough to recall when '90s kids used to get made fun of. Back during the early '00s, when I was around 14 or so, there would be older guys talking about how awesome '80s kids were and how much '90s kids sucked because we didn't have Atari and stuff like that. Of course, YouTube wasn't a thing back then so there wasn't as much of this, but it was still pretty big online for any kids that grew up during the '90s to get critiqued for not being '80s kids.

The first examples of this with '90s kids emerged around the early days of YouTube. I can recall coming across videos of guys talking about how Nick was so much better during the '90s and has sucked after that. '90s kid nostalgia was already huge online way before it took off across mainstream culture during the early '10s.

These arguments of kids born during the '00s make me feel so old, though. When 2002 borns are talking about the various things they liked as kids, and why they cant be part of the same generation a kid a few years younger, I literally don't know what stuff their even talking .
Lol thats how im gonna feel with when 10s borms come of age. It just shows how grown up millennials are.

Lol thats how im gonna feel with when 10s borms come of age. It just shows how grown up millennials are.


Don't remind me ;D. Theres going to be kids born in 2014 starting Kindergarten this year, the year I graduated from high school. Where did the time go?

My sister is an ‘86 baby and is definitely nostalgic for the early 2000s, but she doesn’t act like she owns it. It’s really the first time that we can both be nostalgic for the same era because I was obviously too young to remember much of anything from the 90s.


Honestly in real life 80s babies are pretty bearable. Two of my siblings were born in 85' & 86' respectfully and while they sometimes poke fun of me and my other sibling, born in 91', for being born in the 90s, for the most part its pretty civil. We can all remember the early-mid 2000s at the very least, arguably the last time before technology truly began to consume us, so theres that.

Don't remind me ;D. Theres going to be kids born in 2014 starting Kindergarten this year, the year I graduated from high school. Where did the time go?


Next year I’m 25. A quarter of a century. My 20s will be more than halfway over. It still feels like they’ve only just begun.  :-X

People always told me your 20s will fly by, and they were right.

Honestly in real life 80s babies are pretty bearable. Two of my siblings were born in 85' & 86' respectfully and while they sometimes poke fun of me and my other sibling, born in 91', for being born in the 90s, for the most part its pretty civil. We can all remember the early-mid 2000s at the very least, arguably the last time before technology truly began to consume us, so theres that.


Yeah, my younger brother is a 1991 born and we have always been quite close. He doesn't recall as much from the '90s as I do, of course, but he's old enough to be quite nostalgic for the late '90s like I am, so we relate quite a bit on that. Perhaps that could be because 1991 borns are the last group that could claim to be '90s kids. We were also, of course, both teens during the '00s, so we relate on that too.

Don't remind me ;D. Theres going to be kids born in 2014 starting Kindergarten this year, the year I graduated from high school. Where did the time go?


I can't believe it's been 40 years since I was in Kindergarten.  :o

The Gig Economy seems to be hot with Millennials:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/side-hustle-jobs-american-workers-turn-to-gig-economy-to-earn-cash-boost-savings/

One of my good friends actually has a good paying salaries job, and yet he still does Lyft driving on the side ;D.

This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the topic, but has anybody else noticed that with Gen Z defining itself more and more that the differences between Gen Y and Gen Z are becoming more obvious.

Particularly the last few years, with late '00s babies moving to junior high school and playing more and more of a role when it comes to pop culture. To me, since the 2020's will be the Gen Z decade, late '00s babies will probably be considered peak Gen Z.

There's quite a few of my cousins that were born around then, and the differences between me, as somebody 20 years older, and them is amazing. Kids my age grew up with VCRs, CRT TVs, video stores, 2D and early 3D video games, dial-up, no social media, no mobile phones and cable TV, while these kids are like 10 years old with 4K video games, expensive phones, and have accounts with every major social media company.

This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the topic, but has anybody else noticed that with Gen Z defining itself more and more that the differences between Gen Y and Gen Z are becoming more obvious.

Particularly the last few years, with late '00s babies moving to junior high school and playing more and more of a role when it comes to pop culture. To me, since the 2020's will be the Gen Z decade, late '00s babies will probably be considered peak Gen Z.

There's quite a few of my cousins that were born around then, and the differences between me, as somebody 20 years older, and them is amazing. Kids my age grew up with VCRs, CRT TVs, video stores, 2D and early 3D video games, dial-up, no social media, no mobile phones and cable TV, while these kids are like 10 years old with 4K video games, expensive phones, and have accounts with every major social media company.

Yeah I did notice it. From mid 2018 onward, there was a huge explosion of Gen Z nostalgia online for late 00s-early 10s childhood culture. Whereas before 2018, most people online still considered the late 00s-early 10s to be the "downfall into sh*t era", lol.

https://i.4pcdn.org/tv/1549055020346.jpg

And now you've got "98-03 born gang rise up vs 04 kids" as a popular meme. When back in 2012 that 98-03 age group was widely hated, lol.

https://i.redd.it/bfip5x7469131.png

Yeah I did notice it. From mid 2018 onward, there was a huge explosion of Gen Z nostalgia online for late 00s-early 10s childhood culture. Whereas before 2018, most people online still considered the late 00s-early 10s to be the "downfall into sh*t era", lol.

https://i.4pcdn.org/tv/1549055020346.jpg

And now you've got "98-03 born gang rise up vs 04 kids" as a popular meme. When back in 2012 that 98-03 age group was widely hated, lol.

https://i.redd.it/bfip5x7469131.png


It's ironic how the 2004 kids getting based compared to 2003 & earlier happen to be the same years 90's kids bashed pop culturally when it came to those years. The whole 2004-present is terrible and the whole 2003 is the last good year for humanity as we know it. It's not just the 2004 born's, but it's the 2004 year itself. Honestly looking back 2004 was a great year for my childhood except for some minor changes, but 2004 was a great year for movies and a great year for television. I will never understand why kids of the 90's hated 2004 so much and loved 2003, and while I loved 2003 as a kid too, the movies in 2003 were absolutely inferior compared to 2004 which was way superior with the lineup.

I'm glad I grew up before all these decadeology memes. That 2004 one is really mean and I could just imagine if it were about "1993 borns" and I was 15 years old again I'd be triggered af ;D

Yeah I did notice it. From mid 2018 onward, there was a huge explosion of Gen Z nostalgia online for late 00s-early 10s childhood culture. Whereas before 2018, most people online still considered the late 00s-early 10s to be the "downfall into sh*t era", lol.

https://i.4pcdn.org/tv/1549055020346.jpg

And now you've got "98-03 born gang rise up vs 04 kids" as a popular meme. When back in 2012 that 98-03 age group was widely hated, lol.

https://i.redd.it/bfip5x7469131.png


It's kind sad of how people born in 2003 pretend as if they are completely different than people born in 2004. I don't understand.What cuts off do people born in 2003 far as remember things are concerned that people born in 2004 don't.At  the end of they day,they are similar to one another(not knowing a time before Social became very popular,don't know a time before YouTube,were in still in Preschool when the iphone was out,have little to no memories of to the mid 2000s,etc). Honestly I don't even see people born in 1997 that much different than people born in 2003 despite of a 6 year age differences(in a sense that they were too young to remember much before 2005,were very young when iphones came out,don't remember a time before YouTube,Social media got very popular,etc).

I'm glad I grew up before all these decadeology memes. That 2004 one is really mean and I could just imagine if it were about "1993 borns" and I was 15 years old again I'd be triggered af ;D

As someone born in 95 I'm glad the decadeology memes moved on from "1990-1994 vs 1995-1999 borns" over to "98-03 vs 04+ borns", lol. Now I'm left out of these conversations and can have peace.

I used to be really triggered seeing people constantly think 95 and up was the "year of doom" in memes around 2014.

It's ironic how the 2004 kids getting based compared to 2003 & earlier happen to be the same years 90's kids bashed pop culturally when it came to those years. The whole 2004-present is terrible and the whole 2003 is the last good year for humanity as we know it. It's not just the 2004 born's, but it's the 2004 year itself. Honestly looking back 2004 was a great year for my childhood except for some minor changes, but 2004 was a great year for movies and a great year for television. I will never understand why kids of the 90's hated 2004 so much and loved 2003, and while I loved 2003 as a kid too, the movies in 2003 were absolutely inferior compared to 2004 which was way superior with the lineup.

I think they hated 2004 because it was when Nick and CN got rid of all their classic shows, and the remaining late 90s influences in pop culture fully died. 2003 was still more firmly part of Nick and CN's classic eras.

As someone born in 95 I'm glad the decadeology memes moved on from "1990-1994 vs 1995-1999 borns" over to "98-03 vs 04+ borns", lol. Now I'm left out of these conversations and can have peace.

I used to be really triggered seeing people constantly think 95 and up was the "year of doom" in memes around 2014.


Yes it’s very telling that these new memes don’t include us at all. We’re deemed too old to care about now, lol. Makes sense though, I couldn’t relate to someone born in 1987 when I was 16.

I think they hated 2004 because it was when Nick and CN got rid of all their classic shows, and the remaining late 90s influences in pop culture fully died. 2003 was still more firmly part of Nick and CN's classic eras.


Yeah, but there was so much more to 2004 when it came to the lifestyle and the pop culture than just those little things. When I think back now, 2004 overall was a superior year pop culturally outside of the kids stuff. 2003 was just a watered down 2001 and 2002, while the mid 00's culture was brand new and fresh at the time that would peak in 2004-2006.

Yeah I did notice it. From mid 2018 onward, there was a huge explosion of Gen Z nostalgia online for late 00s-early 10s childhood culture. Whereas before 2018, most people online still considered the late 00s-early 10s to be the "downfall into sh*t era", lol.

https://i.4pcdn.org/tv/1549055020346.jpg

And now you've got "98-03 born gang rise up vs 04 kids" as a popular meme. When back in 2012 that 98-03 age group was widely hated, lol.

https://i.redd.it/bfip5x7469131.png


But what is the logical reasoning to cutting off people born in 2004 & after? They all seemed to grow up similarly together. Also, why even include those born in 98/99'? They seem to have more in common with those born in 97' and prior, rather than those born in 01' and later, especially when childhood nostalgia is taking into account. IDK, this FB post just smells like bullsh!t all over.

And this kid in the tag..... looks like a kid. IDK why high schoolers are looking younger & younger these days, but anywho, just enjoy your damn youth my guy. Your childhood just ended (at best) 5 years ago ;D.

But what is the logical reasoning to cutting off people born in 2004 & after? They all seemed to grow up similarly together. Also, why even include those born in 98/99'? They seem to have more in common with those born in 97' and prior, rather than those born in 01' and later, especially when childhood nostalgia is taking into account. IDK, this FB post just smells like bullsh!t all over.

And this kid in the tag..... looks like a kid. IDK why high schoolers are looking younger & younger these days, but anywho, just enjoy your damn youth my guy. Your childhood just ended (at best) 5 years ago ;D.


Hey, I posted the collages in the "more than a decade" thread, it's under the "Where's the love for classic CN" thread.

As someone born in 95 I'm glad the decadeology memes moved on from "1990-1994 vs 1995-1999 borns" over to "98-03 vs 04+ borns", lol. Now I'm left out of these conversations and can have peace.

I used to be really triggered seeing people constantly think 95 and up was the "year of doom" in memes around 2014.


The one good thing about growing older has to be that you stop giving a sheesh. :P

The one good thing about growing older has to be that you stop giving a sheesh. :P


And if people cause an argument with you, you just throw it over your shoulder. I don't let it bother me anymore, there's no time for fighting.

Please stop with the "people who were born in this year" or "People who were born after that year."

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=59998.0

If it happens again in this thread, I will lock it!


Cat

I think they hated 2004 because it was when Nick and CN got rid of all their classic shows, and the remaining late 90s influences in pop culture fully died. 2003 was still more firmly part of Nick and CN's classic eras.


Hey, iCarly was classic!  :D

Hey, iCarly was classic!  :D


That was 2007.

Please stop with the "people who were born in this year" or "People who were born after that year."

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=59998.0

If it happens again in this thread, I will lock it!


Cat

Sorry. But I wasn't bashing people born in certain years, just talking about how the Internet bashes those people born in certain years. But I'll shut up if you want me. :-X

Sorry. But I wasn't bashing people born in certain years, just talking about how the Internet bashes those people born in certain years. But I'll shut up if you want me. :-X


I wasn't directing this at anyone in particular. I have seen more than one person do it and I have gotten complaints about it.


Cat

I'm seeing all these early 2000s borns nostalgic for the late 00s/early 10s, even some of these people are lumping 2014 with those periods.

I'm seeing all these early 2000s borns nostalgic for the late 00s/early 10s, even some of these people are lumping 2014 with those periods.


That’s usually what happens when adults get nostalgic for a period. They lump one or two years of a different era to the eras before it.