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Subject: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: imrane on 02/01/20 at 11:54 am

At the same time? It's like they had some trends from 2003 and 2004 but in a darker twist (darker clothes, too). While 2003 was closer to 9/11, it was quite a shiny-looking and colorful year, ditto for 2004. Yet 2005 was way more somber looking. I think emo also peaked in 2005-2007? In 2008 and especially 2009 there was a move to more colorful fashion and happier-sounding music.

But what caused the shift in late 2004/early 2005? I can't think of any reasons.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: 2001 on 02/01/20 at 12:22 pm

It just happened to be the aesthetic of the time, I don't think there was a deeper meaning behind it. Millennials funnelled their teen angst into depression music. Goth was already taking off in 2002, it just wasn't called emo yet.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: piecesof93 on 02/01/20 at 1:18 pm

The only really dark year to me was 2007, "dark and digital."

The aesthetic was darker and somber. Of course with the emo trend being popular but also just in general. I didn't know many real life emos in 2007 but even non-emos wore more somber outfits consisting of lots of plain gray, brown and black.

https://media.glamour.com/photos/569592cd93ef4b09520d239f/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/fashion-2014-10-kim-2008-main.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aqhI2rsw0AE/R1F0jyOIKbI/AAAAAAAAKkg/yCl4cstntB4/s1600-R/at2.jpg

The popularity of brands like ed hardy also made things look darker imo.

Also if you look at a lot of videos from that time, they are very dark compared to previous years. This applies across genres too.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: mc98 on 02/01/20 at 2:34 pm

Vests are very late 2000s.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: Slim95 on 02/01/20 at 4:21 pm

I don't know why people always put 2005 in with it. 2006 is when it started getting dark, that was the first late 2000s year. There's really not that much difference between 2004 and 2005. But a lot of difference between 2005 and 2006 (especially late 2006).

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: 2001 on 02/01/20 at 4:29 pm


I don't know why people always put 2005 in with it. 2006 is when it started getting dark, that was the first late 2000s year. There's really not that much difference between 2004 and 2005. But a lot of difference between 2005 and 2006 (especially late 2006).


It was 2004 when the emo aesthetic got popular. Blink 182, Avril Lavigne, Green Day, Sum 41, Simple Plan, pretty much any band you can think of, all had a dark look in 2004.

Blink 182 2003

https://images.kerrangcdn.com/Blink2003_WebHeader.jpg?auto=compress&fit=crop&w=2016&h=1134

Green Day 2004

https://media.altpress.com/uploads/2019/09/green-day-ap-cover.jpg

Avril Lavigne 2004

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Under_My_Skin_%28Avril_Lavigne_album%29_cover.png

I would post tons more but there's a 3 image limit now

These bands were producing happy upbeat skater/pop punk music in the Y2K era, but by 2004 they "matured with their audience" and came out with sadder music.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: Slim95 on 02/01/20 at 10:37 pm

I misunderstood because I just looked at the title. I thought OP was talking about "dark" like things starting to get bad culturally.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: Zelek3 on 02/02/20 at 12:16 am

Honestly I think the late 2006 shift is rather over-exaggerated (shamefully I used to believe in it and propagate it, lol).

Mid-late 2005 was already firmly "new school" with stuff like the Xbox 360, emo's breakthrough, The Office, post-movie Spongebob, post-cancellation Family Guy, Shadow the hedgehog, Bush's approval ratings dipping below 50%, YouTube, Web 2.0, Nintendo DS, Ben 10, ringtone rap (D4L, Dem Franchise Boyz, Yin Yang Twins), broadband Internet, Camp Lazlo, Myspace, etc. By then culture was far removed from the Y2K era (1998-2003).

I don't see why some people think 2005 was part of the same zeitgeist as 2002 or something.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: Zelek3 on 02/02/20 at 12:29 am


But what caused the shift in late 2004/early 2005? I can't think of any reasons.


Bush's re-election and the rise of Hot Topic, Myspace, and Web 2.0.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 02/02/20 at 5:34 pm

2005 was pretty fun and shiny. That summer was really hot. We had good feeling jams like hollaback girl, we belong together, Shake it off, etc. 2007/2008 is when life for me started to feel dark. Especially during the recession. It impacted the people in my surroundings very hard...

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 02/02/20 at 7:26 pm


Bush's re-election and the rise of Hot Topic, Myspace, and Web 2.0.


It was more like a transition. 2005/2006 was when things started really shifting. By late 2006 there was a different feeling in terms of pop culture and childhood culture. 2004-2005 still felt early 2000’s in the childhood department. 

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: Zelek3 on 02/02/20 at 8:07 pm


It was more like a transition. 2005/2006 was when things started really shifting. By late 2006 there was a different feeling in terms of pop culture and childhood culture. 2004-2005 still felt early 2000’s in the childhood department.

2004-early 2005 had some early 2000s elements in terms of childhood, like for example Revenge of the Sith, but it was shifting. By mid-late 2005 it didn't feel early 2000s anymore; I distinctly remember feeling that Nickelodeon was becoming gutted/soulless then, with the exception of Avatar. The non-Avatar shows at the time like Spongebob season 4, Zoey 101, Unfabulous, Mr. Meaty, The Xs, and Catscratch felt soulless to me.

Cartoon network was also headed downhill at the time though slower than Nick, as the CN City bumpers kept some flare alive.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: imrane on 02/03/20 at 3:35 am

Disney Channel, however was getting more interesting imo (Suite Life, HM, Wizards of WP, etc.), one of the few good points of 2006-2008 before the EDM/music cultural shift led by Kqty Perry and Gaga. The only early 2000s memorable show there was Lizzie McGuire. As a 1988 born I watched DC in 2006-2014 as in 2000-2005 it was nothing special and too preachy (back then I prefered CN and FoxKids/Jetix).

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 02/03/20 at 2:08 pm


2004-early 2005 had some early 2000s elements in terms of childhood, like for example Revenge of the Sith, but it was shifting. By mid-late 2005 it didn't feel early 2000s anymore; I distinctly remember feeling that Nickelodeon was becoming gutted/soulless then, with the exception of Avatar. The non-Avatar shows at the time like Spongebob season 4, Zoey 101, Unfabulous, Mr. Meaty, The Xs, and Catscratch felt soulless to me.

Cartoon network was also headed downhill at the time though slower than Nick, as the CN City bumpers kept some flare alive.


I agree I feel like mid- late 2005 is when things started changing. When ever I think of the mid 2000’s my brain automatically thinks of summer of 2005-2006 rather than 2004 if that makes sense. I feel like the 2005-2006 school year was like Peak mid 2000’s. The whole hurricane Katrina that was going ion in late August/ early September, the toys that were being manufactured in the early 2000’s were being discontinued around this time and new shows like Suite life of Zack and Cody and Hannah Montana started. Early 2000’s shows were still shown in reruns but only at night :(

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: Slim95 on 02/03/20 at 2:12 pm


2004-early 2005 had some early 2000s elements in terms of childhood, like for example Revenge of the Sith, but it was shifting. By mid-late 2005 it didn't feel early 2000s anymore; I distinctly remember feeling that Nickelodeon was becoming gutted/soulless then, with the exception of Avatar. The non-Avatar shows at the time like Spongebob season 4, Zoey 101, Unfabulous, Mr. Meaty, The Xs, and Catscratch felt soulless to me.

Cartoon network was also headed downhill at the time though slower than Nick, as the CN City bumpers kept some flare alive.

Early 2000s completely died in the 2002 - 2003 school year.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: shadowcookie on 02/03/20 at 2:19 pm


Early 2000s completely died in the 2002 - 2003 school year.

In your opinion, of course.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: mc98 on 02/03/20 at 2:44 pm


Early 2000s completely died in the 2002 - 2003 school year.

How so? Skater pop punk and nu-metal were still popular.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: Slim95 on 02/03/20 at 2:57 pm


How so? Skater pop punk and nu-metal were still popular.

Many new mid 2000s trends started appearing and the mood and vibe changed after 2002. I guess I don't have to say "completely died" but we were already in mid 2000s culture in 2003 in my opinion.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: Sman12 on 02/03/20 at 7:08 pm

Emo culture became a popular fad during that time, so maybe that's why.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: batfan2005 on 02/03/20 at 8:33 pm


Honestly I think the late 2006 shift is rather over-exaggerated (shamefully I used to believe in it and propagate it, lol).

Mid-late 2005 was already firmly "new school" with stuff like the Xbox 360, emo's breakthrough, The Office, post-movie Spongebob, post-cancellation Family Guy, Shadow the hedgehog, Bush's approval ratings dipping below 50%, YouTube, Web 2.0, Nintendo DS, Ben 10, ringtone rap (D4L, Dem Franchise Boyz, Yin Yang Twins), broadband Internet, Camp Lazlo, Myspace, etc. By then culture was far removed from the Y2K era (1998-2003).

I don't see why some people think 2005 was part of the same zeitgeist as 2002 or something.


There's posters on here who insist that 2006 is the year everything changed, and it is not debatable. They'll even mention some of the things you listed as 2006 things to support their argument.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: Slim95 on 02/03/20 at 8:39 pm


There's posters on here who insist that 2006 is the year everything changed, and it is not debatable. They'll even mention some of the things you listed as 2006 things to support their argument.

A handful of stuff changed in 2006, there was a shift, no doubt about that. But "everything" changed in 2008.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 02/03/20 at 9:51 pm


Early 2000s completely died in the 2002 - 2003 school year.


Not at all. More like 2004-2005 school year. That was the school year where broadband out sold dial up, mid 2000’s culture started to slightly emerge, cartoon network and Nickelodeon ended their original cartoons, etc. 2002-2003 was like Peak early 2000’s Especially musically and in terms of kid culture. People used film cameras more so then digital, ipods were practically non existent and cd players were epitome of listening to music. In the mid 2000’s ipods were common and digital cameras started to replace film. Ashanti’s Album dominated summer-winter of 2002, there’s no way that album is mid 2000’s. There’s no way I can look at Usher’s confessions part 2 or Burn (2004) and call that a mid 2000’s song... Certain songs like “Yeah” was like the beginning of crunk  which started in mid to late 2004 with Ciara and yin yang twins and took over the mid 2000’s. Kanye’s first album College Dropout released in late 2004 is definitely not mid 2000’s. Maybe the ending of the Y2k era was around 2002 or so but 2001- mid 2004 was still solidly early 2000’s. Late 2004- mid 2006 is mid 2000’s. Late 2006 afterwards is late 2000’s at least culturally.

Subject: Re: Why were 2005-2007 kinda dark and bleak?

Written By: Slim95 on 02/03/20 at 10:25 pm

No, 2004 - 2005 school year was peak mid 2000s.

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