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Subject: Campaign Spending

Written By: conker on 08/23/04 at 2:25 pm

A question from an outsider.

According to CNN Bush has SPENT 163.7 MILLION, Kerry 148.9 MILLION so far on this campaign and there's still 3 months left.  300+ Million so far!!

This does not include whatever the Congress and Sentate races will cost.  I think I heard it approaches 1/2 BILLION

Does the US get good value for their $$.

Does a billion ensure issues are discussed and democracy is well served. or are you reduced to mud slinging and name calling.
Wouldn't a Billion be better spent of healthcare, tax cuts or even 3rd world aid.

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 08/23/04 at 3:09 pm

That's why I'm in favor of publicly funded campaigns...and the right-wingers AREN'T!  To them, money is the light of the world, to me it is just property.  If you let property control the political process, you end up with a plutocracy.

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: Don Carlos on 08/25/04 at 6:09 pm



WHAT!!!!   You mean there are ISSUES???  (<<--sarcasm)

"Que est mas macho" (please forgive the spelling, I can say it, just not spell it ;))


"quien es mas macho" (who is more macho, you are frenchizing, lol). 

Your sarcasm is always so refreshing!  I have no idea what the solution is, but our political system s...s

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: CatwomanofV on 08/25/04 at 7:16 pm

I agree with all of the above. The U.S.-the best democracy money can buy.





Cat

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: Don Carlos on 08/25/04 at 7:51 pm


I agree with all of the above. The U.S.-the best democracy money can buy.





Cat


Wish I had Halliburton's $$$

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: Dagwood on 08/26/04 at 7:12 am




Wish I had Halliburton's $$$


Or John Kerry's money...or his wife's money.  Both sides have way too much money to spend.  It is ridiculous.  $300 million could be spent elsewhere and it would be much less annoying to the rest of us.

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: LyricBoy on 08/26/04 at 7:52 am


That's why I'm in favor of publicly funded campaigns...and the right-wingers AREN'T!  To them, money is the light of the world, to me it is just property.  If you let property control the political process, you end up with a plutocracy.


Maxwell, Maxwell...

Publically-funded campaigns should be considered a violation of the US Constitution.  Why?  because we have any number of candidates who run on platforms that are religiously based, and as such we would have government funds promoting religious causes, which is a big no-no.  Are you going to tell Pat Robertson that he can not get public funds if he decides, for example, to run for Dog Catcher?  His whole platoform is based on religion.  Ditto for any number of other candidates.  Do you want the government to fund David Dukes' next campaign?  How will the government decide who is "worrthy" of getting money, and how much?

Please spend my tax $$$ on schools or prisons or a pork project dedicated to the memory of Senator Byrd.

Neither the left nor the right has a monopoly on campaign spending.  In fact as far as those pesky "527 funds" Democratic-leaning folks have raised far more money than Repub-leaning groups.

As the Supreme Court said in its ruling on Campaign Finance Reform "Money is like a river and no law is going to stop it flowing toward the campaign of one's choice".  I disagree with the CFR law because in my opinion it infringes on the right to free association and free speech, but the Supreme Court did not consult with me on that matter.  However, the Supreme Court also stated in its opinion that the CFR law would be a failure if anybody thought that it would curtail campaign spending.  And now in 2004 we see that their prediction was correct.

I have no problem with unlimited campaign spending, with the following exceptions that I think would pass muster with the Constitution.  These prohibitions would be:

1.  Donations from companies or unions prohibited completely.

2.  Donations from somebody who can not vote for a candidate are prohibited (i.e., I as a citizen of Ohio can not donate money to the guy running for Senator in Mississippi).

3.  "Soft money" allocations to a given candidate must adhere to (2).

These rules would help to keep interlopers out of the campaign process and would strngthen the principles of Federalism.

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 08/26/04 at 10:44 am




Maxwell, Maxwell...

Publically-funded campaigns should be considered a violation of the US Constitution.  Why?  because we have any number of candidates who run on platforms that are religiously based, and as such we would have government funds promoting religious causes, which is a big no-no.  Are you going to tell Pat Robertson that he can not get public funds if he decides, for example, to run for Dog Catcher?  His whole platoform is based on religion.  Ditto for any number of other candidates.  Do you want the government to fund David Dukes' next campaign?  How will the government decide who is "worrthy" of getting money, and how much?


Of course you do make some good points here, as with the enumerated points I didn't quote.  As much as I hate Pat Robertson's message and David Duke's message, I defend their rate to say it.  If money is equal, the marketplace of ideas will be truly free.  The corporate-interested fat cats, the religious crazies, the white supremecists, the environmental whackos, none of these would have 100 times more than the others with which to saturate the market.  I'd like to think in a contest of ideas, David Duke's would get smashed as they deserve to get smashed.  If not...well, I guess we get the government we deserve!

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: LyricBoy on 08/26/04 at 11:10 am


A question from an outsider.

...

This does not include whatever the Congress and Sentate races will cost.  I think I heard it approaches 1/2 BILLION

Does the US get good value for their $$.


Absolutely does NOT get value for the $$$.  Most of the ads run by either side are either:

(a) Negative attacks on the other guy

(b) Robin Hood promises with no concept proposed as to how implementation will happen

(c) Counter-negative-attacks to answer or buffer negative attacks.

(d) Blather, with the candidate and his family dressing themselves in the American flag

Quite a spectacle.  But if people want to spend their private $$$ on this stuff, so be it.  creates jobs for ad agencies and TV stations and print shops.

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: Jessica on 08/26/04 at 1:18 pm


(d) Blather, with the candidate and his family dressing themselves in the American flag


I don't know why, but I found that comment amusing as hell. ;D

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: Don Carlos on 08/26/04 at 1:35 pm



Thanks DC!  For both the spelling and the "compliment".  I've just come to the conclusion that your last sentence is right...and I've got enough to complain about personally, I don't need to waste my energy arguing about politicians...I'll just cast my vote and hope things go well.  Right or wrong, that's how I feel ???


I hope this doesn't mean you are no longer going to post in this section.  Even when we disagree I admire, respect, and value your opinions.

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: CatwomanofV on 08/26/04 at 6:07 pm




Wish I had Halliburton's $$$



I wish you did too. Then you can spend it all on ME!  ;D ;D ;D





Cat

Subject: Re: Campaign Spending

Written By: Jessica on 08/26/04 at 10:32 pm





I wish you did too. Then you can spend it all on ME!  ;D ;D ;D





Cat


I wish he did too. Then he'd loan his good friend Jessica about $2000 to pay bills and stuff. ;D

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