Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist says he has the 51 votes needed to change Senate rules and make it easier for Republicans to overcome Democratic filibusters against President Bush's judicial nominees, but he hopes such a change won't be necessary. "We need to restore the over 200-year tradition and precedent of allowing every nominee of the president who has majority support an up-or-down vote on the floor of the United States Senate," Mr. Frist told The Washington Times on Thursday. "It's consistent with the Constitution, where we are as a body to give advice and consent, and the only way we can give advice and consent is an up-or-down vote on the floor of the Senate."

Full story: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050214-121801-4700r.htm

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist says he has the 51 votes needed to change Senate rules and make it easier for Republicans to overcome Democratic filibusters against President Bush's judicial nominees, but he hopes such a change won't be necessary. "We need to restore the over 200-year tradition and precedent of allowing every nominee of the president who has majority support an up-or-down vote on the floor of the United States Senate," Mr. Frist told The Washington Times on Thursday. "It's consistent with the Constitution, where we are as a body to give advice and consent, and the only way we can give advice and consent is an up-or-down vote on the floor of the Senate."

Full story: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050214-121801-4700r.htm



Excuse me, but the filibuster has been a tradition in the Senate going back to the very beginning off the republic, and has been usaed by all parties, Federalists. Whigs, Democrates, and Republicans.  Live with it Sen Frist.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist says he has the 51 votes needed to change Senate rules and make it easier for Republicans to overcome Democratic filibusters against President Bush's judicial nominees, but he hopes such a change won't be necessary. "We need to restore the over 200-year tradition and precedent of allowing every nominee of the president who has majority support an up-or-down vote on the floor of the United States Senate," Mr. Frist told The Washington Times on Thursday. "It's consistent with the Constitution, where we are as a body to give advice and consent, and the only way we can give advice and consent is an up-or-down vote on the floor of the Senate."

Full story: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050214-121801-4700r.htm


Yup, the fascist party's gotta make a way for its reactionary jurists to get through.  If the fascists get control of the entire judicial branch, you'll hear no more squawking about judicial activism because all the activism will be on behalf of the seven million Americans the fascists (Republicans) actually represent.

Funny how "traditions" such as this are the greatest thing since sliced bread when people are using them themselves, but need to be changed when they are used against them ;)


Not true.  This is the problem with the republican party, and most of the parties' voters knows it.  They don't act like the democrats.  When that one judge was nominated (I forget her name, she was from the ACLU, and she is still there as far as I know,) the republicans let her sail on through, no filibusters, no nothing, heck even Bob Dole voted for her.  Because we all know the far-left acts like the constitution allows only liberal judges.

But democrats filibuster, filibuster, and do it some more.  Al Gore Sr. did it to for 100-some odd days to stop the civil rights act.  Tom Daschle was in love with it.

I say do it.

And Frist is a known hypocrite on this issue:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/4/17735/24212
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It's official America is a Republican dictatorship now. The republicans want to get rid of the opposition and silence anyone who doesn't agree with them in their typical nazi style fashion.

Not true.  This is the problem with the republican party, and most of the parties' voters knows it.  They don't act like the democrats.  When that one judge was nominated (I forget her name, she was from the ACLU, and she is still there as far as I know,) the republicans let her sail on through, no filibusters, no nothing, heck even Bob Dole voted for her.  Because we all know the far-left acts like the constitution allows only liberal judges.

But democrats filibuster, filibuster, and do it some more.  Al Gore Sr. did it to for 100-some odd days to stop the civil rights act.  Tom Daschle was in love with it.

I say do it.


Out of 200 something Bush nominees, the democrats only filibustered 10 of them. That comes to 5 % or less of all of Bush's nominees. That means the democrats okayed 95 % of Bush's appointments. That sounds pretty fair to me, and not like an abuse of the filibuster to me. I could see if the dems were abusing the filibuster, but they aren't. I guess the republicans just want to be able to put anybody through, no matter how extreme their beliefs are.

Out of 200 something Bush nominees, the democrats only filibustered 10 of them. That comes to 5 % or less of all of Bush's nominees. That means the democrats okayed 95 % of Bush's appointments. That sounds pretty fair to me, and not like an abuse of the filibuster to me. I could see if the dems were abusing the filibuster, but they aren't. I guess the republicans just want to be able to put anybody through, no matter how extreme their beliefs are.

Sen. Harry Reid is a very moderate Democrat (what I cal a "Republicrat), and yet not a month after he takes the minority leadership, the Right is calling him an "obstructionist" just like like they called Tom Daschle "obstructionist." 
The Republican Party is truly a fascist party.  You cannot reason with them and you cannot work with them.  Their corporate paymasters demand nothing less than everything they want.  The Bush family believes they are entitled to run the world.  The Republicans only market themselves to the electorate because they need the votes of some of the people.  They'll do away with this need as soon as they can.
The Republicans must be stopped or we will no longer have a democratic republic.

It's official America is a Republican dictatorship now. The republicans want to get rid of the opposition and silence anyone who doesn't agree with them in their typical nazi style fashion.


I disagree with this statement.  I think the fillibuster should be done away with.  Every nominee deserves an up or down vote.  And I am not just coming at this from a Republican standpoint.  If the Dems had control of the house and senate, I wouldn't think it fair for a Repub to fillibuster to stop a vote from a Dem.  It just doesn't seem fair to me.

I disagree with this statement.  I think the fillibuster should be done away with.  Every nominee deserves an up or down vote.  And I am not just coming at this from a Republican standpoint.  If the Dems had control of the house and senate, I wouldn't think it fair for a Repub to fillibuster to stop a vote from a Dem.  It just doesn't seem fair to me.

I don't like the idea of votes as serious as judicial nominees being subject to simple majority and no filibuster.  Not with Republicrats like Joe Lieberman and Evan Baye out there.  The Bushies are just waiting to stuff the courts with rightwing nutjobs.  I want this country to be more just and humane than the America I grew up in, but the way things are going now, it's getting more brutal and fascist.

Out of 200 something Bush nominees, the democrats only filibustered 10 of them. That comes to 5 % or less of all of Bush's nominees. That means the democrats okayed 95 % of Bush's appointments.


Well, I'm mostly talking about the US Supreme Court, but fine.  The way I see it, democrats did not okay 95% of the nominees unless they voted for them.  How many of those judges did Kennedy and Boxer support?

Sen. Harry Reid is a very moderate Democrat (what I cal a "Republicrat), and yet not a month after he takes the minority leadership, the Right is calling him an "obstructionist" just like like they called Tom Daschle "obstructionist."

You need to "Reid all about it."
Link: http://www.rnc.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=5146

Reid's statement says it best:

Last year, the Senate worked to confirm 204 of the President's judicial nominees and rejected only the 10 most extreme.  This confirmation record is better than that achieved by President Clinton, President George H.W. Bush and President Reagan. Despite our unprecedented effort to work with the President in discharging our constitutional duty to advise and consent to his nominees, today he renominated 7 of the 10 rejected nominees. 

We should not divert attention from other pressing issues facing this nation to redebate the merits of nominees already found too extreme by this Chamber.

To replay this narrow and completed debate demonstrates the Bush Administration's failure to craft a positive agenda for the American people.

Reid's statement says it best:

Last year, the Senate worked to confirm 204 of the President's judicial nominees and rejected only the 10 most extreme.  This confirmation record is better than that achieved by President Clinton, President George H.W. Bush and President Reagan. Despite our unprecedented effort to work with the President in discharging our constitutional duty to advise and consent to his nominees, today he renominated 7 of the 10 rejected nominees.   

We should not divert attention from other pressing issues facing this nation to redebate the merits of nominees already found too extreme by this Chamber.

To replay this narrow and completed debate demonstrates the Bush Administration's failure to craft a positive agenda for the American people.


And he was absolutely right.

Well, I'm mostly talking about the US Supreme Court, but fine.  The way I see it, democrats did not okay 95% of the nominees unless they voted for them.  How many of those judges did Kennedy and Boxer support?

You need to "Reid all about it."
Link: http://www.rnc.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=5146

You think I'm gonna click on a link to the fascist Republican National Committee site?  Why, I'd rather take a bath with a skunk!
:P

You think I'm gonna click on a link to the fascist Republican National Committee site?  Why, I'd rather take a bath with a skunk!
:P


you could just wait for Jeff Gannon to repeat it verbatim for you as "news."

You think I'm gonna click on a link to the fascist Republican National Committee site?  Why, I'd rather take a bath with a skunk!
:P


Why is everything fascist?  Dang you like that word.

Think about the evil people of today, the marxist rebels, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez....think about what side of the political line they represent.

Why is everything fascist?  Dang you like that word.

Think about the evil people of today, the marxist rebels, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez....think about what side of the political line they represent.


Must be the liberal side.  Saddam was notorious for hosting gay marriages at his palaces and providing free health care to the poor, and um...  c'mon dude, you have to be kidding with that one right?

Must be the liberal side.  Saddam was notorious for hosting gay marriages at his palaces and providing free health care to the poor, and um...  c'mon dude, you have to be kidding with that one right?

Saddam Hussein: Marxist Rebel.
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In another generation college students will be wearing the face of Saddam instead of Che Guevera!

GWB is the same fellow who refers to Hitler and the Nazis as "socialist."  Well, it was the "National Socialist Party," right?  So that means Bernie Sanders is a neo-nazi, right?  Ay-yi-yi!

The following link is a meat-and-potatoes definition of fascism.  Start with the Republican Party's advocacy for more and more corporate control over the public sector and their desire to exclude gays* from mainstream public life, and go from there.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

Here is another link about fascism, with pictures referring to current events:
http://www.mvp-seattle.org/pages/pageFascism.htm

*because the Right lost the battle to exclude racial minorities.  Now the Bush Administration finds extreme right jurists and cabinet members who happen to be "of color."  If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

It is time we start calling the Republican Party what it is: Fascist.  And make no bones about it!

As for "fascist," if the shoe fits, wear it.  The Republican Party is a fascist party.

Must be the liberal side.  Saddam


I'm just writing what I heard.  I saw a graph where they marked where the figures of history like Bush, Hitler, Saddam, Martin, Blair, and others where.  Saddam was on the fascist left side,  and he was a secular sunni muslim.

Hitler was just barely on the right fascist side, Bush was on the middle right, and so on.  But I'm telling you, Saddam was a leftist.

Remember France is to the left as well, but they don't allow gay marriages.

And also shows our tax $$ being wisely used by the government....come on, does he really think they'll just "change their mind"?  ::)


Are you talking about President Bush nominating some of the same judges?  Well lets see:

1. Filibuster-monger-in-chief Tom Daschle is no more.
2. Like this thread says, the republicans may stop the filibusters tactic.
3. There was a net gain of four republicans in the last general election.
4. Democrats are less tempted to use tactics the American people may view as obstructionist.

I'm just writing what I heard.  I saw a graph where they marked where the figures of history like Bush, Hitler, Saddam, Martin, Blair, and others where.  Saddam was on the fascist left side,  and he was a secular sunni muslim.

Hitler was just barely on the right fascist side, Bush was on the middle right, and so on.  But I'm telling you, Saddam was a leftist.

Remember France is to the left as well, but they don't allow gay marriages.


Well, you might want to do a bit of reading in political science/theory before you "just write what you heard".  You may have read that a number of German corporations have agree to pay massive settlements to survivors and decendants of Nazi era slave laborers.  No form of real "Socialism" advocates either corporate ownership of the means of production or slavery, which obviously disqualifies Hitler as any kind of "socialist" evan though he called himself one (I might call myself an Adonis - and Cat might agree- but that doesn't make me one).

To say that Saddam was a leftist because he described himself as such is to accept him at his word, but I don't judge people on the basis of how they see themselves, any more than we can judge a regime on the basis of  what it says about itself.

Well, you might want to do a bit of reading in political science/theory before you "just write what you heard".  You may have read that a number of German corporations have agree to pay massive settlements to survivors and decendants of Nazi era slave laborers.  No form of real "Socialism" advocates either corporate ownership of the means of production or slavery, which obviously disqualifies Hitler as any kind of "socialist" evan though he called himself one (I might call myself an Adonis - and Cat might agree- but that doesn't make me one).

To say that Saddam was a leftist because he described himself as such is to accept him at his word, but I don't judge people on the basis of how they see themselves, any more than we can judge a regime on the basis of  what it says about itself.

Exactly, Stalin and Mao were both "Communists,"  extreme-left one might say, and they both presided over totalitarian states of terror--and that's putting it mildly.  The political left-to-right spectrum is not a straight line but a horseshoe shape.  The more extreme you get on either side the more the ideologies resemble one another.

As for whom GWB might be hearing things from, I wouldn't pay no mind.  I used to hear a lot of things from the extraterrestrials living in my closet until my shrink changed my meds!
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