Well, I guess there is one good thing about posting in here for the last 2 years or so, it has motivated me to get off my ass, and do some of the things that I have been talking about.

I am currently talking to the local National Guard recruiter.  It seems that there is a need for a 40 year old man with a bad knee.  Even though it was bad enough to make me get out of the Marines 12 years ago, it has improved enough for me to enter the NG.

And with 10 years experience in Infantry and Maintenance Management, I have skills that are needed.  Now I get to start putting my affairs in order, and see what and where I can do the most good.  Our local unit just returned from Mississippi, where they were helping people there after Katrina.  And they are always looking for people to volunteer to go to Iraq.

And yes, I am foolish/crazy/gungy/insane/motivated to do just that.

So for all the talk that a lot of people do in here, this is one "Conservative Republican" who is willing to put his money where his mouth is, and do something he thinks is right.

So for all the talk that a lot of people do in here, this is one "Conservative Republican" who is willing to put his money where his mouth is, and do something he thinks is right.


Congratulations. I will do whatever is left.

Well, I guess there is one good thing about posting in here for the last 2 years or so, it has motivated me to get off my ass, and do some of the things that I have been talking about.

I am currently talking to the local National Guard recruiter.  It seems that there is a need for a 40 year old man with a bad knee.  Even though it was bad enough to make me get out of the Marines 12 years ago, it has improved enough for me to enter the NG.

And with 10 years experience in Infantry and Maintenance Management, I have skills that are needed.  Now I get to start putting my affairs in order, and see what and where I can do the most good.  Our local unit just returned from Mississippi, where they were helping people there after Katrina.  And they are always looking for people to volunteer to go to Iraq.

And yes, I am foolish/crazy/gungy/insane/motivated to do just that.

So for all the talk that a lot of people do in here, this is one "Conservative Republican" who is willing to put his money where his mouth is, and do something he thinks is right.



I don't know what to say except WOW! I respect your decision. My way of thinking is that I have already done my time (and I thought you did, too). I am glad that I did serve but I am even happier that I am no longer in. Please keep us informed and also STAY SAFE!




Cat

Well, I guess there is one good thing about posting in here for the last 2 years or so, it has motivated me to get off my ass, and do some of the things that I have been talking about.

I am currently talking to the local National Guard recruiter.  It seems that there is a need for a 40 year old man with a bad knee.  Even though it was bad enough to make me get out of the Marines 12 years ago, it has improved enough for me to enter the NG.

And with 10 years experience in Infantry and Maintenance Management, I have skills that are needed.  Now I get to start putting my affairs in order, and see what and where I can do the most good.  Our local unit just returned from Mississippi, where they were helping people there after Katrina.  And they are always looking for people to volunteer to go to Iraq.

And yes, I am foolish/crazy/gungy/insane/motivated to do just that.

So for all the talk that a lot of people do in here, this is one "Conservative Republican" who is willing to put his money where his mouth is, and do something he thinks is right.


Way to go!  From one Conservative to another.

I sent 7 Teddy bears to the area to little kids that have to deal with Katrina and I've also sent letters to troops to let them know that someone over here in the States does care about them and does appreciate what they do for us.

I plan on doing a lot more, as far as "money" no I can't, ain't got none, but I do put up actions same as words. I talk the talk and I walk the walk.

Way to go!  From one Conservative to another.

I sent 7 Teddy bears to the area to little kids that have to deal with Katrina and I've also sent letters to troops to let them know that someone over here in the States does care about them and does appreciate what they do for us.

I plan on doing a lot more, as far as "money" no I can't, ain't got none, but I do put up actions same as words. I talk the talk and I walk the walk.



But, are you planning on signing up?




Cat

But, are you planning on signing up?




Cat


To be in the Army?  No I'm not, nor should I have to.  It's not my calling. 

Hmmm!  I guess it's never too late to think about enlisting in whatever branch of the armed services one desires to join...I thought about it once upon a time when I got the selective service card on my 18th birthday.  Probably would have taught me some discipline ( ::) ;D ) but I decided science would be a better way for me to serve my country.  Now that I read your post I think that I will definitely keep this option open :)

To be in the Army?  No I'm not, nor should I have to.  It's not my calling. 


Well, I guess like the other "chicken hawks" like Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfy etc. you have better things to do.

Mush, I respect your willingness to put your $$$ where your mouth is, but I do question the wisdom of your decision.  But then, its always the poor slobs like us who fight the rich men's wars.

Way to go!  From one Conservative to another.

I sent 7 Teddy bears to the area to little kids that have to deal with Katrina and I've also sent letters to troops to let them know that someone over here in the States does care about them and does appreciate what they do for us.



???  man oh man Zip up your shirt before your heart falls out.(old saying tinged with sarcasm)

???  man oh man Zip up your shirt before your heart falls out.(old saying tinged with sarcasm)

It's already on his sleeve!
;D

Mush, if you boast about good deeds and imply others are not up to your level of moral rectitude, it just turns people off.  If you want to volunteer, I commend you.  Tell me something interesting about where you are sent and what you find there.  If you use it as a chip on your shoulder, you just invite ridicule.

Bravo, Mushroom! I applaud your decision. There ought to be more people like you.

Mush, if you boast about good deeds and imply others are not up to your level of moral rectitude, it just turns people off.  If you want to volunteer, I commend you.  Tell me something interesting about where you are sent and what you find there.  If you use it as a chip on your shoulder, you just invite ridicule.


Max, remember what I have said in the past...  It is a personal decision to join.  Nobody should say anything against anybody, if they decide to join or not.  I know the military is not for everybody.  In fact, I am sure that there are some in here that could not handle it (and I mean because of the difference in lifestyle, not to be putting anybody down).

I have been trying to find a way back in for 12 years now, and I may have finally found it.  When I joined in 1982, I had planned on making it a career.  Now I may finally get my dream.

And for those that are curious, cut-off age for National Guard is now 35.  It can be up to 46 if you have prior service.

^ What about for other branches, like the Marine Corps or the Army?  My father-in-law was (is!) a Marine.

To be in the Army?  No I'm not, nor should I have to.  It's not my calling. 



It sounds like you are not "walking the walk" then, does it? As I have said before, I have done my time. Yes, I was in the Air Force for 8 years-was planning on making it a career until I was medically discharge. Yes, I am a disable vet.



Cat

Well, I guess like the other "chicken hawks" like Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfy etc. you have better things to do.

Mush, I respect your willingness to put your $$$ where your mouth is, but I do question the wisdom of your decision.  But then, its always the poor slobs like us who fight the rich men's wars.


I for one am no rich man.  Secondly if the time came to fight for my country and I was told I had to do it. I'd do it. No way would you get me to complain, whine or cry about it.

My calling in life isn't to be in the army. obviously millions of other people are in the same boat.

It sounds like you are not "walking the walk" then, does it? As I have said before, I have done my time. Yes, I was in the Air Force for 8 years-was planning on making it a career until I was medically discharge. Yes, I am a disable vet.



Cat

So the only way you'll respect anybody is if they're a vet?  I respect vets, I also respect other people who do other things that those vets fought for.

If we all go into the military then we're fighting for nothing but more reason to fight.

???  man oh man Zip up your shirt before your heart falls out.(old saying tinged with sarcasm)


What's this supposed to mean?

Make yourself clear....

Good for you, Mushroom.  Stay safe. :)

Mush, if you boast about good deeds and imply others are not up to your level of moral rectitude, it just turns people off.  If you want to volunteer, I commend you.  Tell me something interesting about where you are sent and what you find there.  If you use it as a chip on your shoulder, you just invite ridicule.


I made the last post quickly, because I was about to get off of work, and did not have the time I felt it deserved.

I look neither up nor down on somebody simply because they joined/did not join the military.  As I said, that is a personal decision.  Criticizing somebodies decision not to join makes about as much sense to me as doing it because they were Catholic, or Jewish, or homosexual.  Those are part of what a person is, on a deep level.  The decision as to serve in the military is just as deep of a decision (at least to me it is).

And I take the meaning of the word "Service" very seriously and literally.  To me, it is just that, I serve the people of the country.  Some people find it in medicine, some find it in practicing law.  Others find it in other ways, and sadly some people never find that kind of self-fulfillment.

But many times, I have had people attack stances I made in here, saying things like "you are not in, you are not in danger."  They act that just because it is not my head on the line, that it affects my decisions.  In this, they are very wrong.

I take military matters very seriously.  The decision to go to war is not one to be made lightly.  I myself am a pacifist.  I am against fighting and wars.  Wars are to be taken when all reasonable diplomatic measures have failed.

But there are times where war is nessicary.  Sometimes it is to protect ourselves, like World War 2.  At other times, it is to protect nations we are allied with, like Korea and the First Gulf War.  In these cases, war is required.  If you fail to support an ally (we had a mutual-defense treaty with South Korea and Kuwait), then no nation will support you when you need help.

To me, there is a third reason.  This is to protect people who are not being protected by anybody.  Good examples of this is Somalia, former Yugoslavia, and Iraq.  When I see things that happen over in Iraq for the last 20+ years, I get sick to my stomach.  Of all crimes, genocide and mass murder are the 2 that I find the most disgusting.  Every time I hear that they found more mass graves in Iraq, it is like a part of me dies.  And even though it is not happening here, I am willing to do anything to stop it.

And for the most part, they are taking volunteers from the Guard to Iraq.  My friend who told me about it got an exemption because he is married with 3 kids at home.  And for the most part, the Guard is filling support roles, like MP, Maintenance, Supply, Medical, and the like.  The combat is being done by Active Duty units, which are better trained and more experienced.

A guy I work with has already been approached by the Marines to enlist.  They are offering him E-6 and a large cash bonus.  And he has not been in the military for over 20 years, and is 56 years old!  But he has combat experience in Vietnam, and was a Green Baret.  They want to use him as an instructor stateside, to train the cadre who will be instructing the Iraqi forces.  In fact, because of his age it would take an Executive Order for him to be sent overseas without his approval (and a Congressional Order even with his approval).  It is not him they want, as much as his experience.

I talked to one of the recruiters tonight, and she told me that they want prior service badly, expecially those with active duty time.  They would be used to train those that are younger who would be going overseas.  Passing on our experience could make a difference to a lot of those of the younger generation now entering service.

And as far as I know, the age cap for the Military is still 28.  Because the National Guard is run by the state, the age limit is higher, 35 years old.  And with prior service, they can waive even that requirement.

For me there are several benefits.  For one, I can finally finish my interrupted career.  I can retire at 50, and then get my full benefits (medical, dental, travel, etc).  And I can also finally get something I have wanted for years, my college degree.  The VA College package offered to those that entered in the early 1980's was horrible, and almost worthless.  The new Montgomery GI Bill (which I would be eligable for) will pay for me to get my degree.  And Alabama kicks in even more grants and benefits.

If this works out for me, I intend on trying to spend as much of the next 2 years on active service.  Then I can spend the next 2 years as a full time student.  At the end of a 6 year enlistment, I would have my BA degree, and can finally achieve my other long-term goal: being a teacher.  (The Military and NG has even more programs for those that want teaching sertifications).

But one of the biggest reasons I want to go back, is for me.  I have never felt as complete as when I was in the Marines.  Some of the happiest times I ever had was when I was doing things that most people would feel are horrible.  Spending 2 weeks living in the Jungle, constantly wet, muddy and tired.  Seeing mold growing on my clothing from the constant humidity.  But it was an experience I will never forget, and would do almost anything to have again.

But do not think I am getting on a "High Horse" because of this.  I never look down on people because of their choices in something like this.

All I ask is that nobody look down on me, because of my choice here.  After all, it is my choice, not yours.  (and that was not aimed at Max or anybody else, but to everybody in general)

I made the last post quickly, because I was about to get off of work, and did not have the time I felt it deserved.

I look neither up nor down on somebody simply because they joined/did not join the military.  As I said, that is a personal decision.  Criticizing somebodies decision not to join makes about as much sense to me as doing it because they were Catholic, or Jewish, or homosexual.  Those are part of what a person is, on a deep level.  The decision as to serve in the military is just as deep of a decision (at least to me it is).

And I take the meaning of the word "Service" very seriously and literally.  To me, it is just that, I serve the people of the country.  Some people find it in medicine, some find it in practicing law.  Others find it in other ways, and sadly some people never find that kind of self-fulfillment.

But many times, I have had people attack stances I made in here, saying things like "you are not in, you are not in danger."  They act that just because it is not my head on the line, that it affects my decisions.  In this, they are very wrong.

I take military matters very seriously.  The decision to go to war is not one to be made lightly.  I myself am a pacifist.  I am against fighting and wars.  Wars are to be taken when all reasonable diplomatic measures have failed.

But there are times where war is nessicary.  Sometimes it is to protect ourselves, like World War 2.  At other times, it is to protect nations we are allied with, like Korea and the First Gulf War.  In these cases, war is required.  If you fail to support an ally (we had a mutual-defense treaty with South Korea and Kuwait), then no nation will support you when you need help.

To me, there is a third reason.  This is to protect people who are not being protected by anybody.  Good examples of this is Somalia, former Yugoslavia, and Iraq.  When I see things that happen over in Iraq for the last 20+ years, I get sick to my stomach.  Of all crimes, genocide and mass murder are the 2 that I find the most disgusting.  Every time I hear that they found more mass graves in Iraq, it is like a part of me dies.  And even though it is not happening here, I am willing to do anything to stop it.

And for the most part, they are taking volunteers from the Guard to Iraq.  My friend who told me about it got an exemption because he is married with 3 kids at home.  And for the most part, the Guard is filling support roles, like MP, Maintenance, Supply, Medical, and the like.  The combat is being done by Active Duty units, which are better trained and more experienced.

A guy I work with has already been approached by the Marines to enlist.  They are offering him E-6 and a large cash bonus.  And he has not been in the military for over 20 years, and is 56 years old!  But he has combat experience in Vietnam, and was a Green Baret.  They want to use him as an instructor stateside, to train the cadre who will be instructing the Iraqi forces.  In fact, because of his age it would take an Executive Order for him to be sent overseas without his approval (and a Congressional Order even with his approval).  It is not him they want, as much as his experience.

I talked to one of the recruiters tonight, and she told me that they want prior service badly, expecially those with active duty time.  They would be used to train those that are younger who would be going overseas.  Passing on our experience could make a difference to a lot of those of the younger generation now entering service.

And as far as I know, the age cap for the Military is still 28.  Because the National Guard is run by the state, the age limit is higher, 35 years old.  And with prior service, they can waive even that requirement.

For me there are several benefits.  For one, I can finally finish my interrupted career.  I can retire at 50, and then get my full benefits (medical, dental, travel, etc).  And I can also finally get something I have wanted for years, my college degree.  The VA College package offered to those that entered in the early 1980's was horrible, and almost worthless.  The new Montgomery GI Bill (which I would be eligable for) will pay for me to get my degree.  And Alabama kicks in even more grants and benefits.

If this works out for me, I intend on trying to spend as much of the next 2 years on active service.  Then I can spend the next 2 years as a full time student.  At the end of a 6 year enlistment, I would have my BA degree, and can finally achieve my other long-term goal: being a teacher.  (The Military and NG has even more programs for those that want teaching sertifications).

But one of the biggest reasons I want to go back, is for me.  I have never felt as complete as when I was in the Marines.  Some of the happiest times I ever had was when I was doing things that most people would feel are horrible.  Spending 2 weeks living in the Jungle, constantly wet, muddy and tired.  Seeing mold growing on my clothing from the constant humidity.  But it was an experience I will never forget, and would do almost anything to have again.

But do not think I am getting on a "High Horse" because of this.  I never look down on people because of their choices in something like this.

All I ask is that nobody look down on me, because of my choice here.  After all, it is my choice, not yours.  (and that was not aimed at Max or anybody else, but to everybody in general)

I'll take your word for it!

So the only way you'll respect anybody is if they're a vet?  I respect vets, I also respect other people who do other things that those vets fought for.

If we all go into the military then we're fighting for nothing but more reason to fight.



That is not what I meant. I meant is that you seem to think that you are are putting your money where your mouth is the same as Mushroom. I am pointing out that you are not. I am not saying that joining the military is the ONLY way. Putting your money where your mouth is means that if you believe in something-say this mistake of a war that we are in, then yes, I think you should join. And that is what Mushroom is doing and I applaud him for that even though I think this war is a fiasco.




Cat

That is not what I meant. I meant is that you seem to think that you are are putting your money where your mouth is the same as Mushroom. I am pointing out that you are not. I am not saying that joining the military is the ONLY way. Putting your money where your mouth is means that if you believe in something-say this mistake of a war that we are in, then yes, I think you should join. And that is what Mushroom is doing and I applaud him for that even though I think this war is a fiasco.




Cat


No. I don't think I'm doing nearly as much as Mushroom is.  He's doing a full load, and I applauded him for it, and then I said the small amount that I've done.

I know exactly what putting your money where your mouth is.  I believe strongly that it's more important to be conservative and send teddy bears down to Katrina to frightened little kids that need to feel love at a unloved moment than I do to sit around and bitch at the president.
I feel it more important to write letters to the fighters over seas telling them that I as an American appreciate what they're doing, and that includes even more important than teling some of the liberals to stick it when they sit and bash our men and women over seas for fighting in a war they don't agree with.

I sent my teddy bears, I sent my letters.  I put my money where my mouth was.

All I ask is that nobody look down on me, because of my choice here.  After all, it is my choice, not yours.  (and that was not aimed at Max or anybody else, but to everybody in general)



I don't think any one here looks down on people who choose the armed forces, what we abhor is the reasons for fighting, and the people who place our service people in harms way for reasons that are
not clear, or not necessary.  I hope everything works out for you, and we will be waiting for your
continued updates, after all you do know the address  ;)

I know exactly what putting your money where your mouth is. I believe strongly that it's more important to be conservative and send teddy bears down to Katrina to frightened little kids that need to feel love at a unloved moment than I do to sit around and bitch at the president.


Just because people don't brag about it doesn't mean they don't do anything to help those in need.  Don't assume that just because they aren't talking about it that they aren't helping.  That is presumptious and wrong.

I don't think any one here looks down on people who choose the armed forces, what we abhor is the reasons for fighting, and the people who place our service people in harms way for reasons that are
not clear, or not necessary.  I hope everything works out for you, and we will be waiting for your
continued updates, after all you do know the address   ;)

As I said before, I would have served in the armed forces, but my health did not allow it when I was in my late teens and most of my twenties.  I felt I needed more structure and discipline in my life, and learning whatever skills I could have availed myself of would have been great for me.  My beliefs about the armed forces were not the same as my opinions of the Pentagon and the motives of shoot 'em up politicians.  Unfortunately, major depression and the accompanying stress, fatigue, and anxiety made me unfit for the rigors of military service.  I knew this, I didn't need to find out the hard way.
It irritates me when the Right ties support for soldiers to support of the political decision to got to war.

Just because people don't brag about it doesn't mean they don't do anything to help those in need.  Don't assume that just because they aren't talking about it that they aren't helping.  That is presumptious and wrong.




I'm not bragging about it.

I'm sure a few of them do help those in need, and I know a majority of them sit around and bitch.  That accusation is quite affirmative.

I'm not bragging about it.

I'm sure a few of them do help those in need, and I know a majority of them sit around and bitch. That accusation is quite affirmative.


I'm not saying you are bragging.  What I am saying is how do you know what they do?  How do you know that those that bitch about the administration aren't also helping?  Do you have cameras in their houses to check up?

There is nothing wrong with bitching about the administration if you don't agree with it.  Heaven knows I did my fair share when Clinton was in office.  It is great to have to freedom to be able to stand up and say you don't agree with something without fearing for your life. 

I'm not saying you are bragging.  What I am saying is how do you know what they do?  How do you know that those that bitch about the administration aren't also helping?  Do you have cameras in their houses to check up?

There is nothing wrong with bitching about the administration if you don't agree with it.  Heaven knows I did my fair share when Clinton was in office.  It is great to have to freedom to be able to stand up and say you don't agree with something without fearing for your life. 


Most definitly agreed. But you tell me what's easier...to help or to bitch?  Then you tell me what most Americans are gonna do.  Easier or harder?  Be honest.

Most definitly agreed. But you tell me what's easier...to help or to bitch? Then you tell me what most Americans are gonna do. Easier or harder? Be honest.


I like to think positively and think that people will help.  I think the people that just sit back and bitch and do nothing to change things are in the minority.  They are just louder.

I like to think positively and think that people will help.  I think the people that just sit back and bitch and do nothing to change things are in the minority.  They are just louder.


I admire and respect your optomistic approach.  However,  I'm a realist.  We live in a lazy me me me society. The majority.  of people aren't helping other people.

I admire and respect your optomistic approach.  However,  I'm a realist.  We live in a lazy me me me society. The majority.  of people aren't helping other people.


Yes there are a lot of lazy, selfish people in this world. But is it fair to label them all as "liberals" and go on and on about how only conservatives help out those that need it?

I consider myself to be a very liberal person. That doesn't mean that I block out everything that a more conservative minded person might say or do. I don't say that all american conservatives come from the south where they do nothing but sit on the porch plucking a banjo until it's time to go out on a date with their sister. And I don't think that a liberal is only about killing babies and marching in gay pride parades.

A lot of my friends are liberals, my co workers are liberals, my dog is a liberal. Does that mean that all of the money we raised and donated to help out victims of a disaster that didn't even occur in our own country isn't worth anything because of our political and social views?

When I made my donation did I make it a point to tell everyone here how much I sent and that everyone who didn't was an uncaring conservative, because liberals like me were the only ones who cared?

Yes there are a lot of lazy, selfish people in this world. But is it fair to label them all as "liberals" and go on and on about how only conservatives help out those that need it?

I consider myself to be a very liberal person. That doesn't mean that I block out everything that a more conservative minded person might say or do. I don't say that all american conservatives come from the south where they do nothing but sit on the porch plucking a banjo until it's time to go out on a date with their sister. And I don't think that a liberal is only about killing babies and marching in gay pride parades.

A lot of my friends are liberals, my co workers are liberals, my dog is a liberal. Does that mean that all of the money we raised and donated to help out victims of a disaster that didn't even occur in our own country isn't worth anything because of our political and social views?

When I made my donation did I make it a point to tell everyone here how much I sent and that everyone who didn't was an uncaring conservative, because liberals like me were the only ones who cared?





Very well put. And I don't think the people I was handing food to when I put many, many hours in at our local food shelf really cared if I was a liberal.




Cat

Yes there are a lot of lazy, selfish people in this world. But is it fair to label them all as "liberals" and go on and on about how only conservatives help out those that need it?

I consider myself to be a very liberal person. That doesn't mean that I block out everything that a more conservative minded person might say or do. I don't say that all american conservatives come from the south where they do nothing but sit on the porch plucking a banjo until it's time to go out on a date with their sister. And I don't think that a liberal is only about killing babies and marching in gay pride parades.

A lot of my friends are liberals, my co workers are liberals, my dog is a liberal. Does that mean that all of the money we raised and donated to help out victims of a disaster that didn't even occur in our own country isn't worth anything because of our political and social views?

When I made my donation did I make it a point to tell everyone here how much I sent and that everyone who didn't was an uncaring conservative, because liberals like me were the only ones who cared?




True, but you are rational and dont have a Jesus complex, so you woulnt understand.

Yes there are a lot of lazy, selfish people in this world. But is it fair to label them all as "liberals" and go on and on about how only conservatives help out those that need it?

I consider myself to be a very liberal person. That doesn't mean that I block out everything that a more conservative minded person might say or do. I don't say that all american conservatives come from the south where they do nothing but sit on the porch plucking a banjo until it's time to go out on a date with their sister. And I don't think that a liberal is only about killing babies and marching in gay pride parades.

A lot of my friends are liberals, my co workers are liberals, my dog is a liberal. Does that mean that all of the money we raised and donated to help out victims of a disaster that didn't even occur in our own country isn't worth anything because of our political and social views?

When I made my donation did I make it a point to tell everyone here how much I sent and that everyone who didn't was an uncaring conservative, because liberals like me were the only ones who cared?




I have good liberal friends and I admire a lot of liberal ideas.  Not all liberals in this world are as shallow as the majority of the liberals on this board and there are those among the liberals on this board who understand that they are not impeccable in there beliefs.  You being one of them. 
I admire the good things people do regardless of whether they're liberal, conservative or independent.  But I refuse to read here on this message board that every single liberal idea and movement is 110% without flaw and no other outside idea can be right because liberal views are 100% correct.  Then have to listen to how all conservative ideas, every single cotten picken one of them is wrong and stupid.  How in no way shape or form could they be right. 
There is a kid on campus who I consider to be a friend. Strong liberal, extremely strong liberal, but even he isn't so concieted to think that liberal ideas do not have flaws. He can see the good in some conservative views.  I'm glad to run into liberals like him and my best friend who is also a liberal, because if all I had to look at was the majority of liberals on this board, it's, "Hey respect my beliefs(WHICH ARE TRUE), and I'll respect yours(WHICH ARE IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM TRUE.) 

  I'm glad you made a donation and I'm glad other liberals made there donations.  I'll give you a list of liberal ideas that I'm in favor of and support.  Good luck getting any more than 3 liberals to sincerely and I mean sincerely write at least 2 good things about conservative ideas.  Then at least one bad thing about liberal ideas.  I'm sure someone will want to put me in my place and go google something for a half hour so they can make me look bad, but you'll get maybe 2 people to sincerely write it down.

True, but you are rational and dont have a Jesus complex, so you woulnt understand.


You gonna feed me to the lions?  Oh rational one?

I have good liberal friends and I admire a lot of liberal ideas.  Not all liberals in this world are as shallow as the majority of the liberals on this board and there are those among the liberals on this board who understand that they are not impeccable in there beliefs. 



I totally resent this remark. How dare you say that people here are shallow when you don't even know them. You claim that you are being put down because you are a Christian which is total b.s. But yet, every other post you have to say "Liberals this" or "Liberals that". One thing you just don't get is that most people here respect your opinion even if they disagree with them. You, on the other hand do not seem to respect other people's opinions who you disagree with. And just because someone disagrees with your opinion does not make them shallow or evil, or anything else. It just makes them have a different opinion than you!




Cat

I totally resent this remark. How dare you say that people here are shallow when you don't even know them. You claim that you are being put down because you are a Christian which is total b.s. But yet, every other post you have to say "Liberals this" or "Liberals that". One thing you just don't get is that most people here respect your opinion even if they disagree with them. You, on the other hand do not seem to respect other people's opinions who you disagree with. And just because someone disagrees with your opinion does not make them shallow or evil, or anything else. It just makes them have a different opinion than you!




Cat


I double resent that.  Come right out and lie to me and say most people respect my opinion, disagreeing and telling someone what they believe has absolutely no truth to it are TWO different things.  You don't say to someone, "Your wrong, your 100% wrong, nothing you think is right, it's all wrong,  BUT I respect it." 

I triple resent that you claim I don't get bashed cause I'm a Christian on this board.  "Well he believes in the false God"  or The little rolly eyes thing next to Jesus that claim I live my life for a man that they believe never really existed.

I rest my case with you, NEVER EVER admit anything to your own downfall.

Claim that it's just a difference in opinion.  RocknRoll Fan gets told how WRONG he is, is he really wrong? Or do just the majority of the people think about the subject differently than he does.  Not that they're right, not that they're wrong, but they're thinking about it differently.

Don't feed me this B.S. of YOU respecting what I believe, when you pull the Santa Clause and full of sheesh trade on me JUST for having a different opinion on an issue.

how long an enlistment?


If possible, another 20 years.

I had always planned on being career military.  Trust me, nobody stays in for 10 years, and just walks away without a damned good reason.  I actually fought my discharge for over 2 years, and was released at the end of my enlistment (I could not fight after that, they simply refused to let me reenlist.  However, I was seperated medically.

In the 12 years since then, my knee has healed a lot.  It will never be anywhere close to what it was before, but it is hopefully good enough to let me back in.

My initial enlistment though will be for the standard term, 6 years.

I double resent that.  Come right out and lie to me and say most people respect my opinion, disagreeing and telling someone what they believe has absolutely no truth to it are TWO different things.  You don't say to someone, "Your wrong, your 100% wrong, nothing you think is right, it's all wrong,  BUT I respect it." 

I triple resent that you claim I don't get bashed cause I'm a Christian on this board.  "Well he believes in the false God"  or The little rolly eyes thing next to Jesus that claim I live my life for a man that they believe never really existed.

I rest my case with you, NEVER EVER admit anything to your own downfall.

Claim that it's just a difference in opinion.  RocknRoll Fan gets told how WRONG he is, is he really wrong? Or do just the majority of the people think about the subject differently than he does.  Not that they're right, not that they're wrong, but they're thinking about it differently.

Don't feed me this B.S. of YOU respecting what I believe, when you pull the Santa Clause and full of sheesh trade on me JUST for having a different opinion on an issue.



How DARE you call me a liar. I do not lie and I totally resent that remark.  And I said MOST people here. There are other Christians here on this board and I have never heard them crying that they are being bashed. You are the one that I have heard telling people they are " wrong, you're 100% wrong, nothing you think is right, it's all wrong". And for your information, it is not your opinions that people disrespect but they way you convey them. It is because of the fact that you come across as "holier than thou" that really turn people off. And because of that, people have a tendicy of reacting. I know you are going to say "No, I'm not better than other people" but the fact remains that you come off as if you do. You seem to have this attitude that you are always right and everyone else is wrong.  If you get off your high horse maybe, just maybe you will see that people aren't really harrassing you.




Cat

Someone on this board has a serious inferiority complex. :-X

On topic. Good luck with everything Mushroom.

How DARE you call me a liar. I do not lie and I totally resent that remark.  And I said MOST people here. There are other Christians here on this board and I have never heard them crying that they are being bashed. You are the one that I have heard telling people they are " wrong, you're 100% wrong, nothing you think is right, it's all wrong". And for your information, it is not your opinions that people disrespect but they way you convey them. It is because of the fact that you come across as "holier than thou" that really turn people off. And because of that, people have a tendicy of reacting. I know you are going to say "No, I'm not better than other people" but the fact remains that you come off as if you do. You seem to have this attitude that you are always right and everyone else is wrong.  If you get off your high horse maybe, just maybe you will see that people aren't really harrassing you.




Cat


I don't do the rolly eyes thing, and I don't pull sheesh on people either. I don't claim to respect other peoples opinions, while at the same time know for 100% fact that they're wrong. 
I haven't once did anything to make myself out to be holier than though in a long long time, yet because of the picture of Jesus, and that only people make it out to be as if I do.
I'm the other voice on this board and you can't handle it because I refuse to bow down cause I'm not with the majority.  The Numbers mean didly squat, and I'll treat them like didly squat.
I'll get off my horse when you start doing what you claim to do, which you haven't, and that's show me respect. 

I don't do the rolly eyes thing, and I don't pull sheesh on people either. I don't claim to respect other peoples opinions, while at the same time know for 100% fact that they're wrong. 
I haven't once did anything to make myself out to be holier than though in a long long time, yet because of the picture of Jesus, and that only people make it out to be as if I do.
I'm the other voice on this board and you can't handle it because I refuse to bow down cause I'm not with the majority.  The Numbers mean didly squat, and I'll treat them like didly squat.
I'll get off my horse when you start doing what you claim to do, which you haven't, and that's show me respect. 





That's just it. You have proven my point. Everyone who disgrees with you is wrong. You just said it. Which is why people have a tendency to jump all over you. It is NOT your religion or your opinions or even your avitar. It is YOU!!! I have ALWAYS respected your opinion-however I think the way you express them leaves much to be desired. Whenever anyone calls you on some points you make, you cry that it is because you are a Christian. You just don't get it, do you. And you want me to respect you after you call me a liar? Oh yeah, that is because I am wrong because I disgree with you. You have a lot to learn about people and about life. I would suggest that you learn and learn fast otherwise you will probably go through life playing the victim which you will learn will get old VERY quickly.




Cat

I for one am no rich man.  Secondly if the time came to fight for my country and I was told I had to do it. I'd do it. No way would you get me to complain, whine or cry about it.

My calling in life isn't to be in the army. obviously millions of other people are in the same boat.


So you are saying that donating teddy bears is the equivalant as serving in the ramed forces?

So the only way you'll respect anybody is if they're a vet?  I respect vets, I also respect other people who do other things that those vets fought for.

If we all go into the military then we're fighting for nothing but more reason to fight.


OK, so what is your "calling"?

I feel it more important to write letters to the fighters over seas telling them that I as an American appreciate what they're doing, and that includes even more important than teling some of the liberals to stick it when they sit and bash our men and women over seas for fighting in a war they don't agree with.

I sent my teddy bears, I sent my letters.  I put my money where my mouth was.


You know, you might at some point want to speak the truth.  NO "liberal" on this board, and NO liberal that I know has ever said one word, NOT ONE SINGLE WORD disparaging what our troops are doing (although the turtues at Abu Gierab or whatever do raise some questions re leadership).  To critisize the policy is not to critsize those charged with implementing it.  Just as no one has bashed christians in general (only your ignorant fanatisism) no one has bashed our brave, if mis-used military personnel.  Please stop distorting the discussion to fit your own agenda, and please stop playing yhe martyr.  It gets old very fast.

I'm not bragging about it.

I'm sure a few of them do help those in need, and I know a majority of them sit around and bitch.  That accusation is quite affirmative.


You are a presuptuoious lille bast... aren't you.  How  DARE you?  Try getting off your high horse, your Jesus complex, and your martyr syndrom and join the human race.  You might find that you get more respect.

Most definitly agreed. But you tell me what's easier...to help or to bitch?  Then you tell me what most Americans are gonna do.  Easier or harder?  Be honest.


Well, every day I read the Rutland Herald and there is another story about Vermonters organizing aid for the hurricane victems.  Castleton State Collkege students have already raised over $10,000 and the other State College studentys (bless their hearts) are working just as hard.  And I can tell you that they are "bitching" their hearts out at the stupidity, inefficieancy, corruption, etc. of FEMA and Lil' Georgie.  They help because help is needed, by people just like us, who our government has failed.  They bitch because we expect better from our government.  For the sake of the one pictured in your avitar, GET A FREAKEN CLUE.

You gonna feed me to the lions?  Oh rational one?


Because we liberals (and leftists) abhore violance we would certainly be the first to jump into the arena to defend you from the lions, and from the Romans who threw you there - a VERY conservative group.  You might want to read up on the history of the Romam Empire (which replaced the Roman Republic such as it was) before you make these rather stupid references.

I double resent that.  Come right out and lie to me and say most people respect my opinion, disagreeing and telling someone what they believe has absolutely no truth to it are TWO different things.  You don't say to someone, "Your wrong, your 100% wrong, nothing you think is right, it's all wrong,  BUT I respect it." 

I triple resent that you claim I don't get bashed cause I'm a Christian on this board.  "Well he believes in the false God"  or The little rolly eyes thing next to Jesus that claim I live my life for a man that they believe never really existed.

I rest my case with you, NEVER EVER admit anything to your own downfall.

Claim that it's just a difference in opinion.  RocknRoll Fan gets told how WRONG he is, is he really wrong? Or do just the majority of the people think about the subject differently than he does.  Not that they're right, not that they're wrong, but they're thinking about it differently.

Don't feed me this B.S. of YOU respecting what I believe, when you pull the Santa Clause and full of sheesh trade on me JUST for having a different opinion on an issue.


THIS HAS CROSSED THE MARK.  Don't you ever dare to call my wife a liar, or you might find that we are not just dueling with keyboards, buit with pistols at 40 paces.  I'm not going to enter into the debate, but YOU NEVER, EVER cast dispersions on my wife.  You owe her an apology, and I expect to see it not only on this thread but on every other on this site.  GET MY POINT?

So you are saying that donating <a  style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=teddy%20bears" onmouseover="window.status='teddy bears'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">teddy bears</a> is the equivalant as serving in the ramed forces?


Nope not at all.

Here is what I'm saying:  Sending teddy bears does more good than bitching.

That's just it. You have proven my point. Everyone who disgrees with you is wrong. You just said it. Which is why people have a tendency to jump all over you. It is NOT your religion or your opinions or even your avitar. It is YOU!!! I have ALWAYS respected your opinion-however I think the way you express them leaves much to be desired. Whenever anyone calls you on some points you make, you cry that it is because you are a Christian. You just don't get it, do you. And you want me to respect you after you call me a liar? Oh yeah, that is because I am wrong because I disgree with you. You have a lot to learn about people and about life. I would suggest that you learn and learn fast otherwise you will probably go through life playing the victim which you will learn will get old VERY quickly.




Cat


::)  Since when was this a sign of respect???? Huh? Where I come from it means, "you're full of sheesh" and  I often see that next to anything I put down as a NON-liberal belief.

You have respected my opinion before, yes you have.  You have always respected my opinion before?  balony.

There are times when I include absolutely nothing about God or Jesus or anything of the sort and the replies I get in return are full of, "well, look he cant' be right, he believes in God" then unwritten but strongly implied, "he must be wrong, because atheist really know what is really real and the truth".

Yes you are a liar, telling me that I get respected.  By some yes, by all, not by a long shot. 

Disagree with me is fine, but you sure dont' do with with any respect when 90% of the time, I get treated like a child.
"Well, Harmonica believes that the father should have a say in the case, I respect that  ::)"  Or how about, "Well Harmonica won't do it because he thinks God wouldn't approve of it.  I"m sure glad I don't believe in someone that's not real". 

I'm not playing anything here, there is no act.  I've seen you do it to Rocknrollfan and I've seen you do it to GWBUSH2004, it all comes down to where you can't handle the fact that maybe someone on this board can see the wrongs in liberal beliefs and has the guts to stick up and say these conservative beliefs are good.

OK, so what is your "calling"?


I can't answer that because my calling comes from someone the majority don't happen to believe in, so therefore I"m wrong for beliving in that calling, because since the majority don't happen to believe him, he must not be real.

You know, you might at some point want to speak the truth.  NO "liberal" on this board, and NO liberal that I know has ever said one word, NOT ONE SINGLE WORD disparaging what our troops are doing (although the turtues at Abu Gierab or whatever do raise some questions re leadership).  To critisize the policy is not to critsize those charged with implementing it.  Just as no one has bashed christians in general (only your ignorant fanatisism) no one has bashed our brave, if mis-used military personnel.  Please stop distorting the discussion to fit your own agenda, and please stop playing yhe martyr.  It gets old very fast.


Do you think it makes someone happy when they're told, "you fought for useless reasons and causes".  That there is a slam.  Do you think it makes them feel good to know that, "Your best friend was shot in the head, his death has no meaning".  That there is a slam.  And yes, I have read very similar phrases on this board. 

NO one has bashed christians in general?  How many post do you skip per topic?


What gets old really fast is that you think since I'm the only voice from the other side on topics that it'll scare me and I'll shut up.  I ain't no sheep, never have been never will be. 

I'll stick up for what I believe in.  You can say that Title IX isn't the cause of 10's of thousands of male athletic programs being cut and provide your proof along with the rest of your liberal buddies,  alone or with others I'm still gonna say that it is and bring my proof along.  You can say abortion is not murder along with the quotes of the likes of John Robertson and I'll say it is along with the quotes of Steve Forbes, you can say that there is no fault in the system of providing prescription drugs and I can look at the proof of where my sister works and say that there is.

I will speak up for the other side of the issue, regardless of whether anyone else joins me or not, and YOU are not going to stop me.

You are a presuptuoious lille bast... aren't you.  How  DARE you?  Try getting off your high horse, your Jesus complex, and your martyr syndrom and join the human race.  You might find that you get more respect.


Take two different polls. 

1.  Out of 10,000 people ask how many helped in some way shape or form the victems of katrina

2.  Out of 10,000 people ask how many would be willing to grant an interview saying what they think of the president.


You come back to me and tell me which percentage was higher.

Well, every day I read the Rutland Herald and there is another story about Vermonters organizing aid for the hurricane victems.  Castleton State Collkege students have already raised over $10,000 and the other State College studentys (bless their hearts) are working just as hard.  And I can tell you that they are "bitching" their hearts out at the stupidity, inefficieancy, corruption, etc. of FEMA and Lil' Georgie.  They help because help is needed, by people just like us, who our government has failed.  They bitch because we expect better from our government.  For the sake of the one pictured in your avitar, GET A FREAKEN CLUE.


I go to a very small school where we raised around 5,000 dollars.  But we like the blessed state college students in your area are in the minority.  You get a clue bud, cause the majority it ain't.

Because we liberals (and leftists) abhore violance we would certainly be the first to jump into the arena to defend you from the lions, and from the Romans who threw you there - a VERY conservative group.  You might want to read up on the history of the Romam Empire (which replaced the Roman Republic such as it was) before you make these rather stupid references.


Wrapping me in T-Bone steaks is an excellent defense, how thoughtfull. 

THIS HAS CROSSED THE MARK.  Don't you ever dare to call my wife a liar, or you might find that we are not just dueling with keyboards, buit with pistols at 40 paces.  I'm not going to enter into the debate, but YOU NEVER, EVER cast dispersions on my wife.  You owe her an apology, and I expect to see it not only on this thread but on every other on this site.  GET MY POINT?


I owe no apology here.  Respect is not when you say, "we'll let him think that he's right  ::)"  that is not respect.

And your a liar too. You once said that you're man enough to not come to the conclusion of killing someone with a gun.  Well obviously you are.

I'm the one that deserves the apology this time.  The one who did the cheap shooting, is the one that's going to apologize this time. Not the the one recieved it.

Seriously Harmonica. I think it's time for you to ball up and act like a man, instead of a spoiled little child. >:(

Not everyone is going to agree with you around here. Not everyone is going to respect your opinions. We would all be stupid if we were to believe that. Not everyone agrees with me, heck, you've insulted me, and my countrymen by implying that the majority of the population of my country are pedophiles. You've even slammed me for being an atheist. But do I carry on page after page whining and complaining about it? No

Did I throw a hissy fit when you said that I had no class? No.

Do RocknRollfan and GWBush2004 lash out and insult people whenever someone disagrees with them? No. When people disagree with their opinions they back up what they said, and if that doesn't resolve anything they usually agree to disagree.

How is it anyones fault that your political views and religious dedication are in the minority here? Do you expect an apology from the people of this board because the majority don't share your viewpoints on a lot of subjects?

You want to talk about writing letters to the troops and sending kids teddy bears. Fine. I'm sure everyone would have left you alone if you had just left it at that. But no. You had to make it a point to tell everyone that you were helping out and the "liberals" couldn't care less and were probably saddened that the same children you were helping with your gifts were not raped or murdered. Now how could you possibly make a statement like that and not expect people to be insulted? Seriously, I want you to answer that. 

If you want people to apologize to you for insulting you. How about you try and be the bigger man and apologize for your own hand in all of this. And then maybe you'll get the respect that you feel you deserve.

And once again you've hijacked yet another thread. This thread was supposed to be about mushroom rejoining the armed forces because he wanted to do his part and help others.

Instead, you've turned it into another "Everyone is ganging up on me" rant!

Seriously Harmonica. I think it's time for you to ball up and act like a man, instead of a spoiled little child. >:(

Not everyone is going to agree with you around here. Not everyone is going to respect your opinions. We would all be stupid if we were to believe that. Not everyone agrees with me, heck, you've insulted me, and my countrymen by implying that the majority of the population of my country are pedophiles. You've even slammed me for being an atheist. But do I carry on page after page whining and complaining about it? No

Did I throw a hissy fit when you said that I had no class? No.

Do RocknRollfan and GWBush2004 lash out and insult people whenever someone disagrees with them? No. When people disagree with their opinions they back up what they said, and if that doesn't resolve anything they usually agree to disagree.

How is it anyones fault that your political views and religious dedication are in the minority here? Do you expect an apology from the people of this board because the majority don't share your viewpoints on a lot of subjects?

You want to talk about writing letters to the troops and sending kids <a  style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=teddy%20bears" onmouseover="window.status='<a  style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=teddy%20bears" onmouseover="window.status='teddy bears'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">teddy bears</a>'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">teddy bears</a>. Fine. I'm sure everyone would have left you alone if you had just left it at that. But no. You had to make it a point to tell everyone that you were helping out and the "liberals" couldn't care less and were probably saddened that the same children you were helping with your gifts were not raped or murdered.

If you want people to apologize to you for insulting you. How about you try and be the bigger man and apologize for your own hand in all of this. And then maybe you'll get the respect that you feel you deserve.




I never said anything to insult your countrymen,  I pointed out that a large group of Canadians wanted to pedophila to be legalized.  That is a fact that I heard from a magazine.  

It's not just disagreeing with me.  I'm being told to apologize for the simple fact that I'm different, no other reason behind it. Because I'm different.  I'm in a room full of math majors asked which school subject is the best, I say history, all the rest of them say math, therefore math is the best subject and I am wrong, when infact it's just a biased result.  

Rocknrollfan and GWBUSH2004 aren't as stubborn as I am.  When I'm wronged, I fight back.  I don't sit around and let people walk all over me.

Speaking the truth pisses a lot of people off on this board. Rapes wouldn't even happen if NOBODY believed in them.

I have absolutely nothing to apologize about.  Defending myself is not a wronging on someone.  Being the opposing voice on an issue is not wronging someone.  Calling someone a liar when they lied to me is not wronging someone.  Being different is not wronging someone.  

And once again you've hijacked yet another thread. This thread was supposed to be about mushroom rejoining the armed forces because he wanted to do his part and help others.

Instead, you've turned it into another "Everyone is ganging up on me" rant!



You are right. I apoligize to Mushroom for allowing a child to distract me. I should have known better.





Cat

And once again you've hijacked yet another thread. This thread was supposed to be about mushroom rejoining the armed forces because he wanted to do his part and help others.

Instead, you've turned it into another "Everyone is ganging up on me" rant!


In Order exactly what happened.

1.  I applauded Mushroom for his good deed and then shared with him the good deeds I have done.
2.  Cat asked if I was going to join the army.  I replied that I was not.
3. I was called a "Chickenhawk" by Don Carlos and then put on the accusation that I thought I was too good for the Amry National Guard.
4. Then Cat said that I wasn't really walking the walk as far as a comparisson to Mushroom.  I replied and said my goal wasn't to compare myself to mushroom but to talk the talk, "I will send <a  style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=teddy%20bears" onmouseover="window.status='teddy bears'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">teddy bears</a>" walk the walk, "I sent those teddy bears."   Then I said that if I had to join the Army I'd do my best for them and fight as best I could, but it's not my calling in life, I shouldn't quit school give up every dream I've ever had and go run into the army and throw away everything else I've ever stood for.
5. Dagwood pointed out that it's possible to bitch and help
6. I agreed and said good point but who's all helping that's bitching.
7. Dag wood brought up the point that people are people good and bad regardless of liberal or conservative standings.
8. I said good point Dagwood and then pointed out how I know that there are good liberals in this world and how I know them, and pointed out the liberal standing on this board that I have been show for the past few years.
9. Izaabel came on and bashed my christianity.
10. CatwomanofV was royally pissed off because I pointed out what I have been shown left and right of the liberal outlook.
11. I  came back and defended <a  style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=my%20points" onmouseover="window.status='my points'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">my points</a>.
12. CatwomanofV came back and told where I was wrong and how I was wrong
13. I came back and showed her where I was not wrong and how I was not wrong.
14. She came on and said, "you've proved my point" , which in layman terms me, "you refuse to give in"
15. Don Carlos came on and ask me a crap load of questions. I answered them.
16. Don Carlos pointed out the small % of people he knows compared to the rest of the world that have helped out and he someone wants me to believe that out of the entire united states of America somehow the majority of them live in the vencinity of his home, and out of them they're all helping for the most part.  
17. Don Carlos gets pissed off when I pointed out his wife was a liar, when she lied straight to me.  
18. I pointed out to him that he had lied too.
19. You come on and tell me I'm a baby and that I made myself out to be a martyr and all this other jazz



Read the order of events bud.   3 and 4 where Don Carlos and CatwomanofV insulted me and made attacks on me come before I came back and made attacks on the liberal party myself.

Read number 9, then tell me I wasn't bashed for being a christian.

You are right. I apoligize to Mushroom for allowing a child to distract me. I should have known better.





Cat


I applauded Mushroom, told him that I admire what he has done.

This isn't an insult on me, calling me a child.  Are you unaware that the term "child" in your context clearly means that "I have no idea waht I'm talkign about"  YOu do this all the time to me, arguing or not, hell we agree and you still pull this bulls-h-i-t on me and you want me to apologize.

You treat me on every cotton picking matter that we've ever both been on as if I have no idea what I'm talking about. The little rolly eyes thing and "ha ha ha".

I owe you nothing, no apology whatsoever. This is comparable to a serial killer telling the familes of the one's he killed to apologize to him, for having family members he had to kill. Or a black man being told to apologize in a huge group of KKK members, just for being black.  I sure hope either  wouldn't apologize cause I'm sure not going to.

a large group of Canadians wanted to pedophila to be legalized.


If you really believe this, please share whatever you are smoking




Speaking the truth pisses a lot of people off on this board. Rapes wouldn't even happen if NOBODY believed in them.


not sure what this statement is supposed to mean, but .

even if people refuse to believe this happens doesn't make it less real.

If you really believe this, please share whatever you are smoking


not sure what this statement is supposed to mean, but .

even if people refuse to believe this happens doesn't make it less real.


I made it up off the top of my head, you see there is a group of physics that only want what I have in my brain, they study me for a couple of hours in the morning each morning for about a week, without my knowledge then write a 70 page magazine the next week and put it out Two times a month.  Ironically a friend of mine happens to pick up the magazine and start reading an article from it and, say's, "Hey (my name), check this out".    Does this sound as ridiculous to the reader as it does to the writer?    I heard it from a freakin legitimate magazine.  We don't keep weekly world news or enquierer, or any of that B.S. in the library only the legitimate things.

The statement is to defend myself against those who tell me, "no way, No one could ever, no one would ever, no one does." 

YOur last statement was awesome, took the words right outta my mouth. YOu said what I wanted to say. Thank you.


And I don't smoke.  Hate smoking. 

Please stop distorting the discussion to fit your own agenda, and please stop playing yhe martyr. It gets old very fast.


Well said!

In Order exactly what happened.

1.  I applauded Mushroom for his good deed and then shared with him the good deeds I have done.
2.  Cat asked if I was going to join the army.  I replied that I was not.
3. I was called a "Chickenhawk" by Don Carlos and then put on the accusation that I thought I was too good for the Amry National Guard.
4. Then Cat said that I wasn't really walking the walk as far as a comparisson to Mushroom.  I replied and said my goal wasn't to compare myself to mushroom but to talk the talk, "I will send <a  style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=teddy%20bears" onmouseover="window.status='teddy bears'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">teddy bears</a>" walk the walk, "I sent those teddy bears."   Then I said that if I had to join the Army I'd do my best for them and fight as best I could, but it's not my calling in life, I shouldn't quit school give up every dream I've ever had and go run into the army and throw away everything else I've ever stood for.
5. Dagwood pointed out that it's possible to bitch and help
6. I agreed and said good point but who's all helping that's bitching.
7. Dag wood brought up the point that people are people good and bad regardless of liberal or conservative standings.
8. I said good point Dagwood and then pointed out how I know that there are good liberals in this world and how I know them, and pointed out the liberal standing on this board that I have been show for the past few years.
9. Izaabel came on and bashed my christianity.
10. CatwomanofV was royally pissed off because I pointed out what I have been shown left and right of the liberal outlook.
11. I  came back and defended <a  style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=my%20points" onmouseover="window.status='my points'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">my points</a>.
12. CatwomanofV came back and told where I was wrong and how I was wrong
13. I came back and showed her where I was not wrong and how I was not wrong.
14. She came on and said, "you've proved my point" , which in layman terms me, "you refuse to give in"
15. Don Carlos came on and ask me a crap load of questions. I answered them.
16. Don Carlos pointed out the small % of people he knows compared to the rest of the world that have helped out and he someone wants me to believe that out of the entire united states of America somehow the majority of them live in the vencinity of his home, and out of them they're all helping for the most part.  
17. Don Carlos gets pissed off when I pointed out his wife was a liar, when she lied straight to me.  
18. I pointed out to him that he had lied too.
19. You come on and tell me I'm a baby and that I made myself out to be a martyr and all this other jazz



Read the order of events bud.   3 and 4 where Don Carlos and CatwomanofV insulted me and made attacks on me come before I came back and made attacks on the liberal party myself.

Read number 9, then tell me I wasn't bashed for being a christian.



#19 ~ I never said you were trying to be a martyr, that was someone else. Ya see my point? You have accused me of saying something that i did not even say. Do you think that it's at all possible that this may have happened with someone else?  But I did tell you to grow up and act like a man. Get some thick skin, learn how to not take everything as a personal attack. And if they do attack you, to fight back without dragging everyone else into it by making outrageous generalizations about everyone on this board.

And you did say that "The majority of canadians support pedophilia" you did not say that it was a 'large group" of people. There is a HUGE difference between those two statements. And just because your friend read it to you from a magazine does not mean that it is a fact. And if you can't at least link to a reputable site that can back up a statement like that, you shouldn't really be saying it at all. because for one thing, it's insulting to not only me, but every other law abiding, child loving canadian on this board.

The statement is to defend myself against those who tell me, "no way, No one could ever, no one would ever, no one does."   




No one was saying that rape does't happen,

I think they were saying that no one on here would be disappointed that the stories in New Orleans weren't true.

#19 ~ I never said you were trying to be a martyr, that was someone else. Ya see my point? You have accused me of saying something that i did not even say. Do you think that it's at all possible that this may have happened with someone else?  But I did tell you to grow up and act like a man. Get some thick skin, learn how to not take everything as a personal attack. And if they do attack you, to fight back without dragging everyone else into it by making outrageous generalizations about everyone on this board.

And you did say that "The majority of canadians support pedophilia" you did not say that it was a 'large group" of people. There is a HUGE difference between those two statements. And just because your friend read it to you from a magazine does not mean that it is a fact. And if you can't at least link to a reputable site that can back up a statement like that, you shouldn't really be saying it at all. because for one thing, it's insulting to not only me, but every other law abiding, child loving canadian on this board.




Why me and me alone?  Why do I have to be the only one to be a man about this?  Why does everyone else get to pull there cheap shots, say there insults, do they're bashing.  I'll tell you why cause they're all the same, and they have no one besides me and few other members of this board to tell them, "hey, guess what everything you do and say, just might not be right."  

I didn't get it from a site, I got it from a magazine, for the 4th time.

I'll start naming everyone name for name then.  You're gonna get a long list.

No one was saying that rape does't happen,

I think they were saying that no one on here would be disappointed that the stories in New Orleans weren't true.


No one, absoultely no one?  Well maybe, maybe.  Maybe no one was. 

Why me and me alone?  Why do I have to be the only one to be a man about this?  

That's what being the bigger person is all about. That's what being an adult is all about. Children ask "But what about them?" 


I didn't get it from a site, I got it from a magazine, for the 4th time.

No sh!t. I said that you heard it from a magazine! I suggested that if you wanted to make statements like that that you should back it up with a reputable source. If that source is a from a site than so be it. But if you can't back it up, then don't say it. And once again you've totally missed the point that I was trying to make.

What you said was insulting. To say that the majority of canadians support pedophilia is an insult to all canadians. Can you acknowledge that, or are you going to stand by your argument that it's not an insult because you read it in a magazine?

That's what being the bigger person is all about. That's what being an adult is all about. Children ask "But what about them?" 


No sh!t. I said that you heard it from a magazine! I suggested that if you wanted to make statements like that that you should back it up with a reputable source. If that source is a from a site than so be it. But if you can't back it up, then don't say it. And once again you've totally missed the point that I was trying to make.

What you said was insulting. To say that the majority of canadians support pedophilia is an insult to all canadians. Can you acknowledge that, or are you going to stand by your argument that it's not an insult because you read it in a magazine?


But they say that they do, when they don't.  What do you want me to put? Do you want me to go find the magazine article.  Post the magazine, page number and author?  Is that what? Cause I can not give you a link. 

I didnt' say it!  I did not say it, out of my mouth out of my opinion, it did not come.  I read it, and I quoted it. 

This is something that makes so so freaking mad, I quote something and I freaking get accused of it being out of my head, outta my ideas outta my freakin views.  It's not, I read it, I quoted it.

QUOTED IT

Why are you all arguing with this idiotic child? He turns every thread he posts in into a flame war. Mushroom and GWB can be butts at times (and they aren't the only ones), but at least most of the time their arguments are supported by evidence and logic. It's a pleasure arguing with them most of the time, because it's actually a debate. Harmonica just makes sweeping generalisations ("the liberals on this board will be disappointed that the violence in NOLA was exaggerated", "the majority of Canadians support pedophilia") that are supported by nothing but his own self-righteousness and then gets narky when people slam him. Then he lets his emotions and religious beliefs get the better of him and turns into a tantrum throwing moron. Seriously, if I was the board moderator, I would have banned his childish, self-righteous, pompous, condescending, rude and ignorant ass a long time ago. And I say again: You should change you avatar, Harmonica. Jesus would be ashamed of you.

Why are you all arguing with this idiotic child? He turns every thread he posts in into a flame war. Mushroom and GWB can be butts at times (and they aren't the only ones), but at least most of the time their arguments are supported by evidence and logic. It's a pleasure arguing with them most of the time, because it's actually a debate. Harmonica just makes sweeping generalisations ("the liberals on this board will be disappointed that the violence in NOLA was exaggerated", "the majority of Canadians support pedophilia") that are supported by nothing but his own self-righteousness and then gets narky when people slam him. Then he lets his emotions and religious beliefs get the better of him and turns into a tantrum throwing moron. Seriously, if I was the board moderator, I would have banned his childish, self-righteous, pompous, condescending, rude and ignorant ass a long time ago. And I say again: You should change you avatar, Harmonica. Jesus would be ashamed of you.


"the majority of Canadians support pedophilia"  - Not my belief. No way shape or form my belief. I quoted it. 

"the liberals on this board will be disappointed that the violence in NOLA was exaggerated" - Also not my belief.  A liberal, a liberal. At least one liberal, is what I said.

I am none of the things you called me.

I'm being beaten to a pulp here, for no reason other than standing up for the other side. Hit me, hit me, hit me, hit me, hit me, hit me, hit me, hit me, hit me, hit me, hit me, hit me,  I hit back, game over, no fair.  Excuse me?????

Why are you all arguing with this idiotic child? He turns every thread he posts in into a flame war. Mushroom and GWB can be butts at times (and they aren't the only ones), but at least most of the time their arguments are supported by evidence and logic. It's a pleasure arguing with them most of the time, because it's actually a debate. Harmonica just makes sweeping generalisations ("the liberals on this board will be disappointed that the violence in NOLA was exaggerated", "the majority of Canadians support pedophilia") that are supported by nothing but his own self-righteousness and then gets narky when people slam him. Then he lets his emotions and religious beliefs get the better of him and turns into a tantrum throwing moron. Seriously, if I was the board moderator, I would have banned his childish, self-righteous, pompous, condescending, rude and ignorant ass a long time ago. And I say again: You should change you avatar, Harmonica. Jesus would be ashamed of you.


I'm not done yet.

YOu wanna talk childish?  How grown up is it when someone outta nowhere makes fun of my savior?  How grown up is that?

Self-righteous -  I'll make this really tough on you.  Name me Three liberals on this baord that have admited when they were wrong or the possiblity that they're liberal views might not be right.  And I went sincerely.

Pompous - No more than any other.

Conscendending - Who's the one that puts the  ::) next to each and every opinion of another member?  It sure as heck ain't me.

Rude -  In a revengeful manor

ignorant - Just because I do not F'N believe in the liberal side of issues.  I'm ignorant cause I don't believe in baby murder, because I don't support 395 Mens' wrestling teams being cut, because I don't support my sister mixing viagra pills for a man to go out and spread AIDS to women all over the damn city, because I don't smile at two guys making out at full go infront of a 7 year old kid, because I'm more about all around education rather than pouring all the money into mathematics and science, because I dont' look at God as a figure man created inorder to keep the thought of moral issues alive.

Learn to accept that not everyone is the same.

you got a toad in the frog house, deal with it.

I stand