Fundamentalist Christians are a fascist tool for the corporations.

Fundamentalist Christians are a fascist tool for the corporations.

In a nucking futshell!
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No, they are not.

dude, not all Christians are bad people.....it's the nutjobs out there that give normal ones a very bad name. :-\\

dude, not all Christians are bad people.....it's the nutjobs out there that give normal ones a very bad name. :-\\


I second that.  However, I'm not that fond of the religion (or any revealed religions, for that matter), but as long as you're a good citizen there's nothing wrong with following one.  :)

But to answer the question: Yes.  There is NO DIFFERENCE between a terrorist Fundamentalist and a terrorist Muslim.

dude, not all Christians are bad people.....it's the nutjobs out there that give normal ones a very bad name. :-\\


Of course, we're talking about the far right-wing Bush Conservatives here.

Of course, we're talking about the far right-wing Bush Conservatives here.


Of course.  There's nothing wrong with being moderate, or even right-wing as long as you don't cause violence in the name of it.

Of course.  There's nothing wrong with being moderate, or even right-wing as long as you don't cause violence in the name of it.


Unfortunately that fundamentalist conservative wing has really hijacked Christianity and the US government. Hopefully people will realize that those people are evil.

Unfortunately that fundamentalist conservative wing has really hijacked Christianity and the US government. Hopefully people will realize that those people are evil.


Yes. Which is why they shouldn't vote for Bush.  But I guess in 2004 and definitely in 2000, it was not quite as clear that Bush was bad, but as soon as I knew what his people stood for I disliked him.  If anyone was evil, it would be Bush's people, although I don't think Bush himself is necessarily a bad person.

Yes. Which is why they shouldn't vote for Bush.  But I guess in 2004 and definitely in 2000, it was not quite as clear that Bush was bad, but as soon as I knew what his people stood for I disliked him.  If anyone was evil, it would be Bush's people, although I don't think Bush himself is necessarily a bad person.


I think he's just kinda stupid. lol.

I think he's just kinda stupid. lol.

I think so too.  He seems like a kind of nice guy, just a horrible president who's controlled by truly nasty people like Cheney.

I think so too.  He seems like a kind of nice guy, just a horrible president who's controlled by truly nasty people like Cheney.


Yeah, he seems like a stupid nice guy who has little real influence in his administration and is controlled by his advisors, cabinet, and Cheney.

Yeah, he seems like a stupid nice guy who has little real influence in his administration and is controlled by his advisors, cabinet, and Cheney.


Yea I agree, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfeld are the ones really running the show. Bush is just a "figure head".

Of course.  There's nothing wrong with being moderate, or even right-wing as long as you don't cause violence in the name of it.


Unfortunately, there's always "extremists" in any group, and no one is better than the other, no matter how good their original intentions are/were.

When I read this topic title, I pictured people such as the preacher and much of the townsfolk in Footloose who was against the very idea of dancing. Or, in more recent years, those who want the power of government to ban things like the videogame "Doom", Marilyn Manson and Ozzy Osbourse, or the Jerry Springer show (instead, of course, of educating kids on it, or just choosing not to watch/listen to them themselves).

Would that be an accurate description? If so, I do think this can be dangerous to society. Even if I hate (from my personal tastes) what the guy next to me likes, I could care less as long as it's not hurting anybody.

Unfortunately, there's always "extremists" in any group, and no one is better than the other, no matter how good their original intentions are/were.

When I read this topic title, I pictured people such as the preacher and much of the townsfolk in Footloose who was against the very idea of dancing. Or, in more recent years, those who want the power of government to ban things like the videogame "Doom", Marilyn Manson and Ozzy Osbourse, or the Jerry Springer show (instead, of course, of educating kids on it, or just choosing not to watch/listen to them themselves).

Would that be an accurate description? If so, I do think this can be dangerous to society. Even if I hate (from my personal tastes) what the guy next to me likes, I could care less as long as it's not hurting anybody.


Yea people like that definitely would fit the "fundamentalist" description.

Unfortunately, there's always "extremists" in any group, and no one is better than the other, no matter how good their original intentions are/were.

When I read this topic title, I pictured people such as the preacher and much of the townsfolk in Footloose who was against the very idea of dancing. Or, in more recent years, those who want the power of government to ban things like the videogame "Doom", Marilyn Manson and Ozzy Osbourse, or the Jerry Springer show (instead, of course, of educating kids on it, or just choosing not to watch/listen to them themselves).

Would that be an accurate description? If so, I do think this can be dangerous to society. Even if I hate (from my personal tastes) what the guy next to me likes, I could care less as long as it's not hurting anybody.


Like always, I totally agree.

That John Lithgow was an odd fellow in that movie.  ;D

Yeah, I think most terrorists aren't exactly "evil" - but rather ignorant and self-righteous.  Most (though not all) probably think of themselves as heroes, sadly enough.

I say yes, it's getting worse and worse. These people are getting more and more power. They're like the Nazis in the 1930s, it's very scary. In my opinion they're more of a threat than bin Laden, because so many people support them and don't understand how bad they are. With the continued spying on us illegally, attacks on abortion rights, taking money from social programs to put in the military, attacks on people of different race and sexual orientation, attempts to legislate phony science like "intelligent design", etc. The more time goes on, the more I dislike them. I was once a Christian, but these people have totally turned me away from that phony religion. Hopefully America will wake up in 2006 and 2008, before it's too late and vote some of these idiots out.


You sound like a reasonable guy.

I really wish the democrats would all say this, and post this on their website.

No, they are not.


Of course not.  It's the extreme liberalism brainwashing these people.  Some of the stuff posted in the original post have nothing to even do with Christians or religion at all.  Social programs?  Isn't these more economic?  Almost every American would read the original post and laugh it off.

They know that conservatives a plurality of this country and Christians a majority.  That is why it bothers them so bad, to the point where they'll pretend that Christians are a threat.  Not extreme fundamentalists period, just Christians, as if people who loved Jesus were the ones who flew planes into the world trade center.

These are also the same people who never say a word about the same kind of Christians on the left, like Jimmy Carter.

props baby props for starting this thread!

Of course not.  It's the extreme liberalism brainwashing these people.  Some of the stuff posted in the original post have nothing to even do with Christians or religion at all.  Social programs?  Isn't these more economic?  Almost every American would read the original post and laugh it off.

They know that conservatives a plurality of this country and Christians a majority.  That is why it bothers them so bad, to the point where they'll pretend that Christians are a threat.  Not extreme fundamentalists period, just Christians, as if people who loved Jesus were the ones who flew planes into the world trade center.

These are also the same people who never say a word about the same kind of Christians on the left, like Jimmy Carter.


"Extreme liberalism brainwashing people." Hah. I never said I had anything wrong with religious Christians, some of my best friends are. And I have nothing wrong with Christians being a majority. I just think the fundie Christian theocrats are by definition a threat to this country.

"Extreme liberalism brainwashing people." Hah. I never said I had anything wrong with religious Christians, some of my best friends are. And I have nothing wrong with Christians being a majority. I just think the fundie Christian theocrats are by definition a threat to this country.


I get what you mean, extremism exists (obviously.)  But I don't see the threat.

I get what you mean, extremism exists (obviously.)  But I don't see the threat.


I see the same threat that exists with Islamic extremism in Europe. It needs to be quashed.

I see the same threat that exists with Islamic extremism in Europe.


I haven't seen any rioting or car burning taking place in this country.

Europe is in big trouble with a booming Muslim population.  Sure, most aren't extreme, but if even 10% are, they're screwed if they keep on with the PC-at-any-cost thing.

I haven't seen any rioting or car burning taking place in this country.

no, you guys use cruise missiles and 2000-pound bombs dropped from 30,000 feet.

Europe is in big trouble with a booming Muslim population.  Sure, most aren't extreme, but if even 10% are, they're screwed if they keep on with the PC-at-any-cost thing.


and just out of curiosity, what in your view would constitute NOT keeping on with the "PC-at-any-cost thing"? mass deportation? indiscriminate incarceration? naturally i'm curious.

I haven't seen any rioting or car burning taking place in this country.

Europe is in big trouble with a booming Muslim population. Sure, most aren't extreme, but if even 10% are, they're screwed if they keep on with the PC-at-any-cost thing.


A lot are though. On the outskirts of a lovely city like Paris (France) there were massive riots last summer by Muslim fundamentalists, they are eating into our very society, determined to cause havoc with their ridiculous unreasonable behaviour.

You know what I think we should do with fundie Christians? Tell them to stop telling the people who make the money what to do, or we'll get rid of the fancy Tennessee Valley Water Authority. I don't even know why we wanted the South back after the Civil War.

Of course not.  It's the extreme liberalism brainwashing these people.  Some of the stuff posted in the original post have nothing to even do with Christians or religion at all.  Social programs?  Isn't these more economic?  Almost every American would read the original post and laugh it off.

They know that conservatives a plurality of this country and Christians a majority.  That is why it bothers them so bad, to the point where they'll pretend that Christians are a threat.  Not extreme fundamentalists period, just Christians, as if people who loved Jesus were the ones who flew planes into the world trade center.

These are also the same people who never say a word about the same kind of Christians on the left, like Jimmy Carter.


It's not all Christians, it's the Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell types that are the problem. Most of my family and friends are Catholic, I have some friends that are Protestant as well and we get along just fine and usually just don't discuss politics. It's not your average Christian that I dislike, it's these far-right extremist groups that are taking over Washington. The "Christian Coalition" for example is the Christian equivalent of al-Qaeda. You may not see the threat so much as the muslim threat, but it's there. They say they're pro-life but could care less about the less fortunate, and they're pro-war. Now how can you be pro-life and pro-war at the same time? They will continue to take away all the programs that help the american people so they could pay for Iraq. Bush says "no child left behind" then he cuts education money. They say they care about the troops then cut veterans benefits. They will continue to cut the taxes for the rich, take away money from social programs and funnel it in the military.

It's not all Christians, it's the Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell types that are the problem. Most of my family and friends are Catholic, I have some friends that are Protestant as well and we get along just fine and usually just don't discuss politics. It's not your average Christian that I dislike, it's these far-right extremist groups that are taking over Washington. The "Christian Coalition" for example is the Christian equivalent of al-Qaeda. You may not see the threat so much as the muslim threat, but it's there. They say they're pro-life but could care less about the less fortunate, and they're pro-war. Now how can you be pro-life and pro-war at the same time? They will continue to take away all the programs that help the american people so they could pay for Iraq. Bush says "no child left behind" then he cuts education money. They say they care about the troops then cut veterans benefits. They will continue to cut the taxes for the rich, take away money from social programs and funnel it in the military.


They're basically a sitting-duck tool for the Bush/Cheney coalition of large corporations. They'll do anything if you whip them up into it, they only claim to have set values.

Most Republicans who endorse the Christian fundamentalist agenda are not even Christian fundamentalists themselves.  I find for the most part they tend to be frat boy-types, bigots, and corporate greedheads.  They love Christian fundamentalism because--as I stated before--it's not about leading a virtuous and moral life yourself, it's about passing judgment on other people!  Ann Coulter is a perfect example.  Coulter comes off all pro-life and crap, but I'll bet you a nickel she's had at least one abortion. She used to be Deadhead, and has probably engaged enough sex-and-drug orgies to make your average liberal libertine green with envy.   The Christian Right seized a huge amount of influence on the Right via tenacious grassroots organizing and the smart parlaying of business ventures into massive media empires.  Christian Fundamentalism in America is a rightwing political movement, not a religious movement.

One thing the Christian Right is superb at doing is manufacturing consensus and consent.  They have so much power in the media---a good measure of which is whining about how oppressed they are by the "liberal media"-- that guys like GWB just assume MOST Americans agree with the Christian Fundamentalist agenda.  And yet...we find most people of influence in the Republican party are so far from living a "Christian" life it can only be measured in lightyears, and even the bigshots who are self-described Christian Fundamentalists don't practice what the preach.

As usual, behavioral strictures based on religious dogma are only for gullible little folks desperate for a sense of identity!!!
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dude, not all Christians are bad people.....it's the nutjobs out there that give normal ones a very bad name. :-\\


I agree, the nutjobs do give the normals one a bad name. And it's getting even worse.

I agree, the nutjobs do give the normals one a bad name. And it's getting even worse.


Extremism in any group can be problematic, if it's allowed to go too far. I'm sure there were some folks within the Nazi party that argued Hitler didn't take his fascist worldview far enough, but I digress. In short, I would say "maybe" for the above poll. That having been said...

I have problems with anyone who compares Christians to Nazis...all that "Seig Hiel" crap you hear when Bush gets thrown into the mix. Not cool. I also find the angry "right winger" rants to be very offensive, because they paint everybody with the same brush. It 's all about inflammatory statements and no substance. Some people would rather throw around the "right wing" crap than get to the heart of the matter and find out what Christians are *really* about. That's the nature of politics, not real dialogue. Maybe some of us *have* let the corrupt speak for us for too long...I don't know. In any case, I believe people need to look past the imperfect ones and focus on the truth. *That* should be paramount.

Seriously, I consider myself a Christian, but I don't necessarily believe the Republican party has all the answers. If anything, I think both parties are phony. I'm more of a moderate conservative. I don't pretend to be any better than everybody else, but I do believe there are such things as moral truths and that people can choose to follow them or not. The key to my faith  is focusing on love and compassion for my fellow man. I don't get it right all the time, but I shouldn't let that be an excuse to *not* do the right thing in any given situation.

The sermon's over, so you can all wake up now.  ;)

If someone like Pat Robertson ever became President..YES! I'd bet anything that there's nothing Ol' Fundie Pat would love more than a chance to run in the Republican presidential primary....if he actually got into the Oval Office, lookout, "1984" would be nothing compared to the Robertson Fourth Reich!

If someone like Pat Robertson ever became President..YES! I'd bet anything that there's nothing Ol' Fundie Pat would love more than a chance to run in the Republican presidential primary....if he actually got into the Oval Office, lookout, "1984" would be nothing compared to the Robertson Fourth Reich!


Ah, but there's just one problem. Pat Robertson has a few screws loose, so I honestly don't think self-respecting Republicans would support him a presidential bid...not in significant numbers, anyway. He *did* run for the office at least once before, and look how far he got that time.  ;) When was that, in '88?

dude, not all Christians are bad people.....it's the nutjobs out there that give normal ones a very bad name. :-\\


I've been away fot a time, and am catching up, but I agree.  In fact, most Christians that I know are GOOD people, but I must admit that I don't know very may "funnymentalists" and some of the Christians I know can get a bit bizzar, like calling holloween "the devil's holiday".  Just as it is important for those on the right to understand the differences on the left, we on the left must not cast all those on the right (including self-frofesed Christians) in the same bag.

Ah, but there's just one problem. Pat Robertson has a few screws loose, so I honestly don't think self-respecting Republicans would support him a presidential bid...not in significant numbers, anyway. He *did* run for the office at least once before, and look how far he got that time.  ;) When was that, in '88?


Indeed it was 1988.  He had a lot of money and media leverage, so he made his campaign appear much more successful than it was. 
It's funny, I pointed this out on another thread, liberals are often tarred with being anti-Christian, but it was leftwing liberals who supported Jesse Jackson's presidential campaigns in the '80s. Hypocrisy? No, politics. We find when Christianity is used to empower the working class and the underprivileged, liberals don't mind it so much in politics. That's what Jackson was all about--at least in the '80s! Liberals despise the Christian fundamentalist movement so much because it is a stalking horse for the agenda of big business and the rich.

I think fundamentalist ANYTHING (Christian, Muslim, etc.) are a threat. People who believe that their religion is the only one and they use violence and hatred against anyone who does not believe as they do.


Hate begats hate and violence begats violence.



Cat

Would people consider Kahane and the Jewish Defense League 'fundamentalist' or 'extremist'  ???  ..I've heard some of Kahane's stuff, it's pretty extreme. 

One of the foster moms I had was a fundamentalist Christian...she never allowed rock music or dancing in her home, yet if she wanted to go a senior-citizen dance/social...it was perfectly all right. Kinda hypocritical, isn't it? Needless to say I moved to a halfway house for teenagers.

Would people consider Kahane and the Jewish Defense League 'fundamentalist' or 'extremist'   ???  ..I've heard some of Kahane's stuff, it's pretty extreme. 


The JDL are nuts. I obviously don't want Israel blown off the map as a "good Jewish boy", but it's most important to me in a fairly abstract sense-my family comes from the dead societies of Eastern/Central Europe and Germany. Of course we have relatives in Israel. Part of me thinks that we, as a society who've been unanimously oppressed for thousands of years and have been perpetual outsiders, that we deserve a big fat piece of the pie...for our paltry 14.5 million (was almost 18 before the Holocaust), we've achieved more than any other ethnic group and we're still hated. But I also think it's imitation of our oppressors, some of the things we're doing to Palestine, and in protection of my people I sometimes think we should just pick up and leave Israel and move west across the Atlantic to the US before we're wiped off the map.

One of the foster moms I had was a fundamentalist Christian...she never allowed rock music or dancing in her home, yet if she wanted to go a senior-citizen dance/social...it was perfectly all right. Kinda hypocritical, isn't it? Needless to say I moved to a halfway house for teenagers.


They have fundamentalist Christians in New Jersey? Well, South Jersey's a different state than North Jersey south of Ocean County.

They have fundamentalist Christians in New Jersey? Well, South Jersey's a different state than North Jersey south of Ocean County.
Yep! Who do you think sends their kids to schools like Pilgrim Academy, Bethel Christian School, Atlantic Christian School, and Mainland Baptist School....the fundies. But I think although they're Bible based, meaning they teach creationism rather than evolution...in some ways those kids get a better education. Especially if the alternative are the crappy public schools(because of disruptive kids, weapons, gangbanging, and drugs) in Atlantic City, Pleasantville and Egg Harbor Township..and I am being honest here. There are kids that are terrified to go to Pleasantville High School because of all the problems....

Yep! Who do you think sends their kids to schools like Pilgrim Academy, Bethel Christian School, Atlantic Christian School, and Mainland Baptist School....the fundies. But I think although they're Bible based, meaning they teach creationism rather than evolution...in some ways those kids get a better education. Especially if the alternative are the crappy public schools(because of disruptive kids, weapons, gangbanging, and drugs) in Atlantic City, Pleasantville and Egg Harbor Township..and I am being honest here. There are kids that are terrified to go to Pleasantville High School because of all the problems....


South Jersey is more like the rural south in places, most definitely. North Jersey has no fundies, just religious Roman Catholics, black Baptists, and Jews.

"God told me to invade Iraq."

--G.W.Bush

One of the foster moms I had was a fundamentalist Christian...she never allowed rock music or dancing in her home, yet if she wanted to go a senior-citizen dance/social...it was perfectly all right. Kinda hypocritical, isn't it? Needless to say I moved to a halfway house for teenagers.


What did she do, slam to Burt Bacarach?  :D

Kinda hypocritical, isn't it?

My father is an ordained Baptist pastor. When I was a child television and most music were evil. The first time I saw a TV was in school, because all the friends I had were equally deprived. Now he has a large screen with an impressive collection of R-rated war movies and listens to U2 in his truck...
No wonder I'm so farked up!
  :o

I like Cat's answer to the original question:

I think fundamentalist ANYTHING (Christian, Muslim, etc.) are a threat.

My father is an ordained Baptist pastor. When I was a child television and most music were evil. The first time I saw a TV was in school, because all the friends I had were equally deprived. Now he has a large screen with an impressive collection of R-rated war movies and listens to U2 in his truck...
No wonder I'm so farked up!
  :o


Sounds like the movie "Footloose"!
;D

"God told me to invade Iraq."

--G.W.Bush
More evidence that Bush the Second is on a huge ego as well as power trip, and we're stuck with this madman until Inauguration Day 2009!

I said yes.  I think anytime you allow religious dogma of any kind to cloud your thoughts and influence your actions/judgements, you're not operating in the best interests of the people you are supposed to serve. 

Religion has done more harm than good in the world and it's high-time it got of politics all together.

More evidence that Bush the Second is on a huge ego as well as power trip, and we're stuck with this madman until Inauguration Day 2009!

If the Republicans retain majorities in both Houses of Congress next October, you can be sure the fix is in.  The GOP has proven itself utterly incompetent to govern.  If the Dems take back Congress, Bush stands a reasonable chance of getting impeached.  He may be the second presenident to be impeached and the first to be convicted and removed from office.
However, I must say I am frightfully discouraged that only nine Democrats in Congress voted against the renewal of the USA PATRIOT act.  Old, wetbrained, and useless, Teddy Kennedy was not among them!
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The hope for the future stands with Rust Belt, Southern, and Upper Midwestern, not coastal, Democrats.

To address the original question, Evangelic Christians are apparently the 'new' fundamentalist breed in the UK.
I'm looking forward to a programme coming soon on telly about this group. 

He may be the second presenident to be impeached and the first to be convicted and removed from office.


actually, he'd be the 3rd:
Nixon, impeached, then resigned before convicted by the Senate;
Clinton, impeached, but the Senate failed to convict.

actually, he'd be the 3rd:
Nixon, impeached, then resigned before convicted by the Senate;
Clinton, impeached, but the Senate failed to convict.


You are technically correct about Nixon. Nixon had articles of impeachment drawn up against him but resigned before before the full House could vote on the articles.  Tricky Dick knew the jig was up, the Congress and the country were mad as hell, and he was gonna get it in the neck! Nixon resigned August 9, 1974.

BTW, Andrew Johnson was impeached in 1868, but he beat the rap by a single vote.  The articles of impeachment charged Johnson had illegally removed Secretary of War (Edwin S. Stanton) from office, violated the "Command of The Army Act," and libelling the Congress with "inflammatory and scandalous harangues" (gotta love the phraseology!). 
Certain Radical Republicans (different Republican party for a different time) called Johnson a "ludicrous boor" and a "drunken imbecile."  Johnson didn't have a leg to stand on, well, he had legs to stand on, but he was too bombed to to stand up straight! He was also a total pr!ck behaviorally speaking.  He fought tooth-and-nail against the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Reconstruction Act, and several other pieces of progressive legislation.  Like Nixon, Andrew Johnson was his own worst enemy.

Clinton was impeached on trumped up charges. They set a trap for him by taking advantage of his weakness for p*ssy, and Clinton fell right into it!  He lied about a bj, the whole phony proceeding was nothing more than an "impeachment in search of a crime."  It was a perjury trap.
http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/perjury.htm

If the perpetrators of the current fascist coup had not already been hard at work since Clinton's 1992 campaign to destroy Mr. Clinton, the impeachment articles would never have even been drawn!

Anway, if Dubya was impeached and removed from office, he would be the first President to earn the honor.  There is ample evidence of Crimes and Misdemeanors to impeach and remove Bush and his entire cabinet of scoundrels.  Unfortunately, I think the gerrymandering and the "Help America Vote Act" has been a bloodless fascist coup, and our Constition is rapidly becoming null and void.

http://www.thefourreasons.org/

I have to wonder if Pat Robertson is using the 700 Club/CBN to start the One World superchurch and government predicted by John in Revelations(the last book in the New Testament)...

Anyways, those fundies preach that God is judgemental and only allows certain people to be Christians...Certainly they don't preach about God being loving, accepting, and forgiving, which is the way I see Him.

I have to wonder if Pat Robertson is using the 700 Club/CBN to start the One World superchurch and government predicted by John in Revelations(the last book in the New Testament)...

Anyways, those fundies preach that God is judgemental and only allows certain people to be Christians...Certainly they don't preach about God being loving, accepting, and forgiving, which is the way I see Him.

Pat Robertson and his ilk are slobbering over the prospect of Armageddon in Israel.  I would not put anything past Pat to push world affairs in the direction of an atomic showdown in the Middle East.  They think this will precipitate the events predicted in the Book of Revelation, and the chosen people--the Jews of Israel--will be converted to Christianity, and the Christians saved by Christ will go to heaven, and we the heathen majority will burn in hell for eternity.
Not all Christian fundamentalists believe this interpretation, but Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, and some other very powerfall azzh()les in the Evangelical movement do.
And they call the Muslim zealots crazy for believing in 72 virgins for suicide-bombing for Allah!
:D

How's this for an oxymoron: Jerry Falwell's supposedly 'Moral Majority' in the late 1970's and early 1980's...I don't think they were all that moral(Falwell probably has tons of skeletons in his closet)and I know they certainly were far from a majority!!

In my opinion Falwell is no better than Pat Robertson. And how about that lady-of-the-night lovin' Jimmy Swaggart? He's related to Jerry Lee Lewis for godsakes!

How's this for an oxymoron: Jerry Falwell's supposedly 'Moral Majority' in the late 1970's and early 1980's...I don't think they were all that moral(Falwell probably has tons of skeletons in his closet)and I know they certainly were far from a majority!!


I've always wondered why Jerry Falwell seems to know so much about homosexuality without proclaiming he is actually homosexual himself.

A question about the teaching of evolution in schools. Will they have seperate biology classes; one to teach 'creationism' and one to teach 'evolution', depending on whether the kids parents consent to it? Kind of raises some interesting social issues.

A question about the teaching of evolution in schools. Will they have seperate biology classes; one to teach 'creationism' and one to teach 'evolution', depending on whether the kids parents consent to it? Kind of raises some interesting social issues.
so in other words, only teach people more of what they already want to know? talk about cultivating closed minds. see, this is the sort of thing i mean when i say conservatives are REgressive. they promote closed-mindedness, unwillingness to entertain ideas other than the ones they've decided on already.

so in other words, only teach people more of what they already want to know? talk about cultivating closed minds. see, this is the sort of thing i mean when i say conservatives are REgressive. they promote closed-mindedness, unwillingness to entertain ideas other than the ones they've decided on already.


AHEM!

No, this is why you say Evangelical Christian groups are REgressive.
You know full well and good that I'm a heretic evolutionist and I'm the most Conservative fella you know.

AHEM!

No, this is why you say Evangelical Christian groups are REgressive.
You know full well and good that I'm a heretic evolutionist and I'm the most Conservative fella you know.
it's not like you don't paint liberals with a broad brush from time to time.  *ahem*

anyway, i think there's a liberal heathen in you waiting to get out. i was a confederate flag-waving con for a while, smart folks tend to outgrow it over time. :)

I've always wondered why Jerry Falwell seems to know so much about homosexuality without proclaiming he is actually homosexual himself.

Falwell's not just in the closet, he's in a shoebox on the top shelf in the closet!

It also might surprise some true believers to know that Falwell cares not one whit about how many fetuses get aborted. Falwell is evil but not stupid. He foresaw in the '70s after the passage of Roe v. Wade that the abortion issue would be a great way for Evangelicals to make political hay, and oh how right he was! I mean, you notice these bigtime funny-mentalists always support political platforms that hurt poor people, pregnant women, infants, pre-schoolers, school children, and low income families and all the while going on ad nauseam about "pro-life" and "family values."  Oh, and they're also against contraception and sex education to boot!  Like I say, the American Evangilical movement is a political power bloc and NOT a religious or moral campaign.
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it's not like you don't paint liberals with a broad brush from time to time.  *ahem*

anyway, i think there's a liberal heathen in you waiting to get out. i was a confederate flag-waving con for a while, smart folks tend to outgrow it over time. :)


What are ya talkin about Uncle Joe  ;)

But seriously.

The whole teaching of creationism isn't a Conservative idea, it's a religious idea. Kinda aggravates me when people lump the two together.

Falwell's not just in the closet, he's in a shoebox on the top shelf in the closet!

It also might surprise some true believers to know that Falwell cares not one whit about how many fetuses get aborted. Falwell is evil but not stupid. He foresaw in the '70s after the passage of Roe v. Wade that the abortion issue would be a great way for Evangelicals to make political hay, and oh how right he was! I mean, you notice these bigtime funny-mentalists always support political platforms that hurt poor people, pregnant women, infants, pre-schoolers, school children, and low income families and all the while going on ad nauseam about "pro-life" and "family values."  Oh, and they're also against contraception and sex education to boot!  Like I say, the American Evangilical movement is a political power bloc and NOT a religious or moral campaign.
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Him and Dr. James Dobson are birds of a feather about their bogus pro-life and family values stuff...maybe they should adopt all the unwanted kids the state has to place in foster care because they can't find them homes, and some of those kids are disabled, behavior problems, and medically fragile...Let's see Falwell step up and adopt those unwanted kids..but you know he never will, "Let the state care for 'em, put 'em in an institution for all I care!"

You are technically correct about Nixon. Nixon had articles of impeachment drawn up against him but resigned before before the full House could vote on the articles.  Tricky Dick knew the jig was up, the Congress and the country were mad as hell, and he was gonna get it in the neck! Nixon resigned August 9, 1974.

BTW, Andrew Johnson was impeached in 1868, but he beat the rap by a single vote.  The articles of impeachment charged Johnson had illegally removed Secretary of War (Edwin S. Stanton) from office, violated the "Command of The Army Act," and libelling the Congress with "inflammatory and scandalous harangues" (gotta love the phraseology!). 
Certain Radical Republicans (different Republican party for a different time) called Johnson a "ludicrous boor" and a "drunken imbecile."  Johnson didn't have a leg to stand on, well, he had legs to stand on, but he was too bombed to to stand up straight! He was also a total pr!ck behaviorally speaking.  He fought tooth-and-nail against the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Reconstruction Act, and several other pieces of progressive legislation.  Like Nixon, Andrew Johnson was his own worst enemy.

Clinton was impeached on trumped up charges. They set a trap for him by taking advantage of his weakness for p*ssy, and Clinton fell right into it!  He lied about a bj, the whole phony proceeding was nothing more than an "impeachment in search of a crime."  It was a perjury trap.
http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/perjury.htm

If the perpetrators of the current fascist coup had not already been hard at work since Clinton's 1992 campaign to destroy Mr. Clinton, the impeachment articles would never have even been drawn!

Anway, if Dubya was impeached and removed from office, he would be the first President to earn the honor.  There is ample evidence of Crimes and Misdemeanors to impeach and remove Bush and his entire cabinet of scoundrels.  Unfortunately, I think the gerrymandering and the "Help America Vote Act" has been a bloodless fascist coup, and our Constition is rapidly becoming null and void.

http://www.thefourreasons.org/


okay. I'll make a note of it!!!!