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A 14 year old Austin teen is suing myspace.com for $30 mil after she was raped by a guy who told her he was a "19 yr old senior" in high school. She claims that myspace doesnt take enough steps to protect its underage users. Ok, I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree. If anything, she and her parents are at fault. Why aren't her parents monitoring what she does online? Why is she stupid enough to meet someone that she doesnt know in person? Most of us all know by now that someone who says that they're "18" might very well be a 45 yr old guy halfway around the country. And I'm not saying that the guy isn't at fault. He does deserve to be convicted of rape,etc. because what he did is wrong. But as far as suing myspace? nah, she's on her own there. It's just like chatting online..i mean, would you sue yahoo or aol or whatever just b/c you were raped after meeting someone through their chat network? She should've used better judgement, but she didn't; and it's too late to go back now. Any decision she made that day to meet him had nothing to do with myspace.com and i hope she doesn't get any money in her lawsuit against them!

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I hope MySpace won't shut down over this

She doesn't have a case. She voluntarily decided to meet someone on her own accord. Myspace is not responsible for that decision. Her parents are accountable for that. Apparently, she didn't have an issue seeking out an older man at all. It's unfortunate that she was raped; however, she played into the dangers of meeting someone online. I have a feeling that the suit is brought on by her parents.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=2095667&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312


A 14 year old Austin teen is suing myspace.com for $30 mil after she was raped by a guy who told her he was a "19 yr old senior" in high school. She claims that myspace doesnt take enough steps to protect its underage users. Ok, I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree. If anything, she and her parents are at fault. Why aren't her parents monitoring what she does online? Why is she stupid enough to meet someone that she doesnt know in person? Most of us all know by now that someone who says that they're "18" might very well be a 45 yr old guy halfway around the country. And I'm not saying that the guy isn't at fault. He does deserve to be convicted of rape,etc. because what he did is wrong. But as far as suing myspace? nah, she's on her own there. It's just like chatting online..i mean, would you sue yahoo or aol or whatever just b/c you were raped after meeting someone through their chat network? She should've used better judgement, but she didn't; and it's too late to go back now. Any decision she made that day to meet him had nothing to do with myspace.com and i hope she doesn't get any money in her lawsuit against them!
I agree.And no way is she worth $30 million dollars!

I don't think she has a $30 million case against Myspace, but she has a case against the 19-year-old who sexually assaulted her...if he in fact did. The poor judgment of party A does not exonerated criminal behavior on the part of party B.
IMO, kids are hypersexualized, exposed to too much porn, and too trusting of people they meet online. I don't think this 14-year-old understood what the consequences would be or how she would react to them unitl it was over. Why any 14-year-old girl would trust the intentions of even a real senior varsity football player is beyond me!
Life will never be the same for this young woman. I think that's terrible.
However, our pop culture encourages girls to emulate porn stars almost as soon as they hit puberty. The feminist movement of the past 20 years rails agains male sexual aggression, but also calls oppressive any attempt to reign in "sexual expressiveness" by young girls. The dangerous de fact rule became "I can do what I want, but you've got to do what I say."
I'm not talking about the Duke case, but there have been other cases in which college-aged women have gone in as amateur strippers to entertain frat parties. They are shocked and mortified when they get sexually assaulted. The prevailing feminist attitude has been, "you have the right to express your female sexuality by doing lapdances at a frat house and expect no nonconsensual acts to befall you." This is extrordinarily dangerous.
What are men looking for when they talk to young girls online? They are looking for the same thing men are always looking for, sex.
There are young girls all over the internet who behave flirty and provocative because that is how our society teaches them to be! You could kill Myspace tomorrow, but the pathology would still exist. We need to rethink a lot of the pop-culture "sexual liberation" of the past generation.

It's absolutely vile that a 14 year old was raped.  No one should ever have to endure such trauma.  However, when you meet someone you don't know off the internet, you're taking a chance that your life may be put into jeopardy.  Why her parents allowed her to do this/didn't know she was doing this is beyond me.  When I was 14, I couldn't take a crap without my parents knowing where, why, when and how.  I can't imagine sneaking off to meet someone I met online without my parents figuring it out.

Fourteen-year-olds have gotten assaulted, raped, and abused for as long as I can remember. There is an innate motivation for young people to rebel. Sometimes they end up getting hurt. I hate to sound like a conservative because I am not. I'm must saying what I think makes sense. Those moral strictures we were so happy to throw away were designed to protect young girls from predators. I am not saying they always worked.* I am not saying everything about the days of the curfew, the chaperone, and in loco parentis was all good. I am saying we throw the baby out with the bathwater when we got rid of it all.

I see too many teens and young adults today who behave as if they are entitled to behave in any manner they want and suffer no ill consequences. Well, the world ain't like that, and I'm sorry to say, nubile young girls are more vulnerable to sexual predation than anybody else.

I think the girl has a case against the guy, but I'm not sure about Myspace.

The three simple rules I stated the other day:

Don't give your full name, phone number, or street address.
Don't give details about where you go and when.
Don't ever meet in person anybody you met first on the internet outside of a protected and chaperoned environment.

Others to think about:
Don't post provocative photos of yourself.
Don't talk dirty in cyberspace.
Do not do anything to encourage cyberstalking, but if someoby is cyberstalking you, make sure you report it to all authorities, even if you might get in trouble. Admonitions from parents or law enforcement are far better than getting raped or murdered.

A 14 year old doesn't have "standing" in a court of law.  Her parents are doing this.  If they are suing the 19 year old they can get something if she did represent her true age, maybe even if she didn't, it becomes statutory which can fry him even if he says he thought she was older.

A 14 year old doesn't have "standing" in a court of law.  Her parents are doing this.  If they are suing the 19 year old they can get something if she did represent her true age, maybe even if she didn't, it becomes statutory which can fry him even if he says he thought she was older.


Did she say she was older? Wouldn't surprise me. Depends on what happens in the trial. I doubt this guy's gonna get off scot-free!

Wouldn't 19 be considered stat rape anyway?  ???

The whole thing sounds idiotic.  ::)

Wouldn't 19 be considered stat rape anyway?  ???

The whole thing sounds idiotic.  ::)

I don't know what the specifics of the statutory laws in Texas, nor what the policy there is in place regarding a minor who misrepresents her age. Texas--I can tell you anyhow if the girl is white and the guy...is not...it's the rock pile for him!

I, too, am sorry she was raped.  I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.  HOWEVER, how does she expect myspace to "protect its underage members"?  Are they supposed to follow her and track her movements online and in RL 24/7?  Seems to me that should be her parents' job.  There's no way to tell online if someone's lying about their age, sex, family, location, etc. etc. etc.  Obviously, even though she initially "met" this guy on myspace, SHE was the one who gave him her phone #....who's next on the list?  AT&T?  After all, shouldn't they have prevented this older guy from calling her?  Like others have said, where was her mother when her daughter was giving out personal information on the internet?  Where was she (the mother) when her 14 year old daughter went to meet this guy?  Why the hell was she meeting a 19 year old anyway? 

Well, MySpace deserves it! A lawsuit is just in order here! How DARE that awful website force her to join its foul membership ranks, and then make her talk to that guy, and then force her to go meet him, and to go unprotected, alone, and make her set herself up for rape...

Oh.. wait.. what? Websites can't do that? But.. but... this changes everything I've ever thought.. you mean that a blog community can't force you to join or meet people? Whoa..

The government intends to monitor as many people as they can on the internet, especially Myspace and such "blog" sites. It is too rich a source of political, social, and consumer datamining to resist. We do not have a court that will forbid government intelligence agencies from doing so.

There will never be a perfected system guaranteed to protect children and teenagers from criminals. Remember, a child or adolescent is much more likely to be assaulted by an immediate family member than by somebody she met online. That is, of course, statistically speaking.

It is tempting to play the blame game after the fact and speculate on who should have done what. There were young girls getting caught up in bad crowds and getting raped when I was a teenager, and we did not even have the Internet. It happened all the same. I can only hope precautions about Internet activity will be engrained in young people's minds just as precautions in other social areas have. But let's not kid ourselves, there will always be vulnerable people who will do stupid things.

I, too, am sorry she was raped.  I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.  HOWEVER, how does she expect myspace to "protect its underage members"?  Are they supposed to follow her and track her movements online and in RL 24/7?  Seems to me that should be her parents' job.  There's no way to tell online if someone's lying about their age, sex, family, location, etc. etc. etc.  Obviously, even though she initially "met" this guy on myspace, SHE was the one who gave him her phone #....who's next on the list?  AT&T?  After all, shouldn't they have prevented this older guy from calling her?  Like others have said, where was her mother when her daughter was giving out personal information on the internet?  Where was she (the mother) when her 14 year old daughter went to meet this guy?  Why the hell was she meeting a 19 year old anyway? 
I know.What are they expecting from MySpace?especially since they use it to "secretly" meet people.So how can anyone keep tabs on them?

^ That's what I was saying. If a kid wants trouble bad enough, she's going to find it, Myspace or no Myspace, Internet or no Internet!
The hysteria over Myspace is not about the safety of minors. For all I know, this entire story was made up. The politco-corporate interests are whipping up hysteria and they are doing it under the guise of "help us help you keep your kids safe!" The ulterior motive is to kill the free Internet. If they are allowed to push their agenda to the end, you will see an Internet with huge corporate tollbooths and huge fees charged to surf anywhere. The corporations will control the Internet the way they control broadcast media. They will reserve the right to kill any content they don't like. Instead of being able to start a blog for free, it will cost you $100,000 a month, so you better go chase those advertising dollars!

Think about this--one of the most popular "liberal" blogs, "Daily Kos" has seen its advertising value reach a critical value. Mr. Kos had a big conference in Las Vegas with his sponsors a couple of weeks ago. The outcome: no more stories about 9/11 unless they conform to the establishment's conclusions. Mr. Kos (that's not his name, I just don't remember it) could have said "no," but then he wouldn't get rich. That's how corporations control content, they use avarice. It doesn't matter today. I have boycotted Daily Kos. I can go elsewhere.  However, if the corporate oligarchs get their way, they will own the rights to all domain space, and you will no longer be able to say just anything.

Like the rest of the fascist Big Brother state, they are manufacturing consent by exploiting your fears of the safety of children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=2095667&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312


A 14 year old Austin teen is suing myspace.com for $30 mil after she was raped by a guy who told her he was a "19 yr old senior" in high school. She claims that myspace doesnt take enough steps to protect its underage users. Ok, I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree. If anything, she and her parents are at fault. Why aren't her parents monitoring what she does online? Why is she stupid enough to meet someone that she doesnt know in person? Most of us all know by now that someone who says that they're "18" might very well be a 45 yr old guy halfway around the country. And I'm not saying that the guy isn't at fault. He does deserve to be convicted of rape,etc. because what he did is wrong. But as far as suing myspace? nah, she's on her own there. It's just like chatting online..i mean, would you sue yahoo or aol or whatever just b/c you were raped after meeting someone through their chat network? She should've used better judgement, but she didn't; and it's too late to go back now. Any decision she made that day to meet him had nothing to do with myspace.com and i hope she doesn't get any money in her lawsuit against them!


19 and still in high school? He was already a real winner. *sarcasm* ;D


In all seriousness though, I agree. If you're going to meet anyone online, I'd say no matter how well you know them, only do it in a public, very safe place (i.e. inside a mall). As tragic as this was (and the dude should go to jail, no question) MySpace shouldn't be at fault for someone's personal ignorance.

There's really no easy answer for the Internet privacy itself. On the one hand, I think everyone should have a certain modicum of privacy to "be themselves", but if you're potentially going to do something harmful or dangerous, it should be the parents' business to step in as well. That could've prevented it in the first place.

19 and still in high school? He was already a real winner. *sarcasm* ;D
That sounds like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. *no sarcasm.*


In all seriousness though, I agree. If you're going to meet anyone online, I'd say no matter how well you know them, only do it in a public, very safe place (i.e. inside a mall). As tragic as this was (and the dude should go to jail, no question) MySpace shouldn't be at fault for someone's personal ignorance.

There's really no easy answer for the Internet privacy itself. On the one hand, I think everyone should have a certain modicum of privacy to "be themselves", but if you're potentially going to do something harmful or dangerous, it should be the parents' business to step in as well. That could've prevented it in the first place.

Internet social networking en mass is a new phenemonon. Parents are waking up to the dangers and restructuring computer use within the family. I just hope our government authoricrats don't use a risk to children as another excuse to treat us all like children!

A very sad story, but it's not MySpace's fault. I hope she finds peace :)

all of these my-space related rapes/mullestations are the faults of the idiot teenage girls. if ya dont want to be raped/mullested then dont post pictures of yourself in a bikini on the internet. or beteryet, stay away from myspace. these girls are asking for it. 

all of these my-space related rapes/mullestations are the faults of the idiot teenage girls. if ya dont want to be raped/mullested then dont post pictures of yourself in a bikini on the internet. or beteryet, stay away from myspace. these girls are asking for it. 



Don't you mean "molestations"?  And how can you blame a 14 year old girl for getting raped?  Should she have agreed to meet this guy?  No, but does that mean he had the right to force himself on her and rape her?  Absolutely not.  No girl/woman deserves to be raped.  It's one of the lowest, most violent things you can do to a woman.  To say that there is ever a situation where it's called for is an insult.  There's a lot of blame to go around for this but to say she was asking for it......that makes me want to throw up.

Mullestation: getting molested by a guy in a mullet?
;D

Mullestation: getting molested by a guy in a mullet?
;D


LOL! Karma point for that.


all of these my-space related rapes/mullestations are the faults of the idiot teenage girls. if ya dont want to be raped/mullested then dont post pictures of yourself in a bikini on the internet. or beteryet, stay away from myspace. these girls are asking for it. 


Wow, that statement was truly ignorant. We are all dumber having read it.

I can't argue with your logic, mainly because there isn't any there.

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Don't you mean "molestations"?  And how can you blame a 14 year old girl for getting raped?  Should she have agreed to meet this guy?  No, but does that mean he had the right to force himself on her and rape her?  Absolutely not.  No girl/woman deserves to be raped.  It's one of the lowest, most violent things you can do to a woman.  To say that there is ever a situation where it's called for is an insult.  There's a lot of blame to go around for this but to say she was asking for it......that makes me want to throw up.


Never thought there'd be a time where I agreed 100% with ya, but here it is. Karma point too.

Mullestation: getting molested by a guy in a mullet?
;D
Karma from me too !  ;D

Off at a slight tangent but this thread makes me think of a case that was in our local news last week. A girl in my town was raped and assulted by 4 foreign men. She was sitting on a bench outside a pub in a busy well lit area, when they came up and offered to walk her safely home - nice !
My heart weeps for the poor thing and I hope she will manage to get her life back after such a dreadful experience, but......
The thing that gets me is that she accepted them. Surely somewhere in your brain you would think 'me alone with 4 men I don't know, late at night, going away from this busy well lit area into lonely dark streets - er no thank you' I just don't understand why on earth she went with them and she wasn't forced by them either. They were caught just days later due to good CCTV footage, and were formaly charged in court last week. Apparently they confirmed their name and addresses through an interpreter,which is another thing, if their language was so poor again why did she go with them. I guess it's a sad sad truth that as long as there are girls that stupid, men like that will continue to pray upon them. It's a horribly depressing thought.

Back on topic I too think they don't have a legal leg to stand on and it's definatly coming from the parents. Maybe it's their way of copeing with their guilt, by blaming Myspace instead of themselves. 

Don't you have to be a certain age, like an adult (18), before any litigation can take place?

Don't you have to be a certain age, like an adult (18), before any litigation can take place?



No, but I believe that adults can sue on your behalf if you're a minor.

Don't you have to be a certain age, like an adult (18), before any litigation can take place?


Parents sue on behalf of the child.  The parents are the ones who initiated this not the 14 year old, but the story sells more papers if they say a 14 year old is suing as opposed to the parents of a 14 year old.

I didn't feel like starting a new thread for it. But to prove to THIS KID that stuff happens even when you're not online...here you go:

http://www.theksbwchannel.com/news/9490136/detail.html

I'm so glad I haven't eaten breakfast yet. I feel like puking.

And yeah, I'm sure she was asking for it.  ::) </end sarcasm>

I wonder if I went out and played possom if I could sue I-35. 

I didn't feel like starting a new thread for it. But to prove to THIS KID that stuff happens even when you're not online...here you go:

http://www.theksbwchannel.com/news/9490136/detail.html

I'm so glad I haven't eaten breakfast yet. I feel like puking.

And yeah, I'm sure she was asking for it.  ::) </end sarcasm>

There are some siiiiick people out there, and some might be right in your neighborhood. I recently found out several of the transient "street" characters in my town have convictions for raping children. I have two nieces ages six and seven. I'm not a fan of the John Walsh style moral panic, but I wish those monsters weren't walking the streets of my town. My family doesn't let the kids hang around unsupervised of course, but still...
>:(

And those sickos in Fresno? Eleven years old? There ain't no "she said she was eighteen" excuse there. The kid makes a mistake and those bastards ruin her life. She'll never recover from that kind of trauma. And to think they even set bail for those clowns! As long as it's $100 grand they'll remain locked up, I just hope they don't get out on a 10% bond, sometimes happens, their folks might be able to raise $10 thousand. If I was the judge I would have said no bail, and remanded them to custody...in a cell with Bubba and Smiley! "Here, we gonna show you how that l'il girl felt!"

Why the hell was she meeting a 19 year old anyway? 


Because young girls don't date guys there own age. They have to date guys who are more "mature" and AT LEAST 3 years older. But what gets me is that they fail to realize that the older more "mature" guys they're dating are only dating young girls because the guys are buttheads and young girls are easy.

I've seen it a thousand times.... ::) It especially sucks when it's a girl you like.

Because young girls don't date guys there own age. They have to date guys who are more "mature" and AT LEAST 3 years older. But what gets me is that they fail to realize that the older more "mature" guys they're dating are only dating young girls because the guys are buttheads and young girls are easy.

I've seen it a thousand times.... ::) It especially sucks when it's a girl you like.


I'm not arguing with you, cause in many circumstances "buttheads" are exactly what they run into.  All throughout high school and junior college all the girls liked these cocky arrogant "buttheads" and now in my life they like guys with "money".  I have no money.

Anyway I wanted to add that not all guys who are older date girls cause they are buttheads and young girls are "easy".  Which I think you meant "easy" as in for sex wise, not easy as in THEY WILL ACTUALLY DATE ME!

Believe me honey I'm walking proof that sometimes dating younger girls is cause you aren't exactly Brad Pitts long lost twin, you dont' have wash board abs and aren't exactly Mr. Popularity. 

I date younger girls because I can't get a girl my age, not that I can get them younger either, but I stand more of a chance.

I'm not arguing with you, cause in many circumstances "buttheads" are exactly what they run into.  All throughout high school and junior college all the girls liked these cocky arrogant "buttheads" and now in my life they like guys with "money".  I have no money.

Anyway I wanted to add that not all guys who are older date girls cause they are buttheads and young girls are "easy".  Which I think you meant "easy" as in for sex wise, not easy as in THEY WILL ACTUALLY DATE ME!

Believe me honey I'm walking proof that sometimes dating younger girls is cause you aren't exactly Brad Pitts long lost twin, you dont' have wash board abs and aren't exactly Mr. Popularity. 

I date younger girls because I can't get a girl my age, not that I can get them younger either, but I stand more of a chance.


"I've been combing the High Schools all day!"
--Booger

"I've been combing the High Schools all day!"
--Booger



It's sad when you find yourself looking up to Revenge of the Nerd's character's as heros. 

I didn't feel like starting a new thread for it. But to prove to THIS KID that stuff happens even when you're not online


i agree. and i'm not saying that the predator shouldn't be put behind bars. i am saying however that these girls need to learn not to give out  (and or post) their adresses or phone numbers online. and not to put out half naked pictures of themselves on the internet.you know, myspace has this thing where if you're 14 or younger, in order to associate with a person on myspace you must first put them on your friends list. it's not the fault of myspace that these girls lie and say they're adults. also i understand that to be raped is a horrible thing. however you do wonder what a woman is doing, walking in a bad part of town in the middle of the night, if that is the case. if a woman is attacked in her own home, by all means castrate the man.  by the way, just because i don't have the same views as you doesn't give you the right to insult me.                                                                   
                                    ps: i apploigize for any spelling mistakes. just be glad i don't swap 'em out for curse words.

oh, and i really don't think the word "molest" is on the 7th grade vocabulary list.

i agree. and i'm not saying that the predator shouldn't be put behind bars. i am saying however that these girls need to learn not to give out  (and or post) their adresses or phone numbers online. and not to put out half naked pictures of themselves on the internet.you know, myspace has this thing where if you're 14 or younger, in order to associate with a person on myspace you must first put them on your friends list. it's not the fault of myspace that these girls lie and say they're adults. also i understand that to be raped is a horrible thing. however you do wonder what a woman is doing, walking in a bad part of town in the middle of the night, if that is the case. if a woman is attacked in her own home, by all means castrate the man.  by the way, just because i don't have the same views as you doesn't give you the right to insult me.                                                                   
                                    ps: i apploigize for any spelling mistakes. just be glad i don't swap 'em out for curse words.



So let me get this straight; if a woman is raped in her own home, it's the rapist's fault.  But if she's out of her house and she's raped......it's her fault? NO WOMAN EVER DESERVES THE INDIGNITY OF BEING RAPED.  IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY'RE WEARING, WHERE THEY ARE OR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.  To think otherwise is more than lunacy, it's criminal.  Attitudes like that breed predators because it makes them think there are situations where you can rationalize raping/attacking someone.  It gives them the sense that the woman is at fault and they shouldn't be held accountable for what they've done.  If a woman is walking alone at night, it may not be the smartest thing for her to do, it doesn't give a man the right to forcibly penetrate and rape her.

BTW, some women are raped in the morning, the afternoon, the evening.......I didn't know rape was a nighttime activity.  Tell me, if a woman is walking alone at 10am and she's raped, who's fault is it? 


Attitudes like this disgust me.

however you do wonder what a woman is doing, walking in a bad part of town in the middle of the night, if that is the case.


notice sister morphine, that a i said (if that is the case) therefore i am not implying that any girl out on a walk has it comming.

notice sister morphine, that a i said (if that is the case) therefore i am not implying that any girl out on a walk has it comming.


Then what girl walking alone at night DOES have it coming, praytell?

i agree. and i'm not saying that the predator shouldn't be put behind bars. i am saying however that these girls need to learn not to give out   (and or post) their adresses or phone numbers online. and not to put out half naked pictures of themselves on the internet.you know, myspace has this thing where if you're 14 or younger, in order to associate with a person on myspace you must first put them on your friends list. it's not the fault of myspace that these girls lie and say they're adults. also i understand that to be raped is a horrible thing. however you do wonder what a woman is doing, walking in a bad part of town in the middle of the night, if that is the case. if a woman is attacked in her own home, by all means castrate the man.   by the way, just because i don't have the same views as you doesn't give you the right to insult me.                                                                   
                                    ps: i apploigize for any spelling mistakes. just be glad i don't swap 'em out for curse words.


So maybe telling you to get your head out of your ass wasn't too friendly. But that's just my view.

ONCE AGAIN, NO WOMAN deserves to be raped. It does not matter if they are little skanky hobags. It does not matter if they're walking down the street in the dark, it does not matter if they "teased" (god, I hate that word). If a woman says NO, she means NO. Clear cut and simple.

The end.

So maybe telling you to get your head out of your ass wasn't too friendly. But that's just my view.

ONCE AGAIN, NO WOMAN deserves to be raped. It does not matter if they are little skanky hobags. It does not matter if they're walking down the street in the dark, it does not matter if they "teased" (god, I hate that word). If a woman says NO, she means NO. Clear cut and simple.

The end.


    well said

    well said




True, what she said was right on.  However, her opinion is not your opinion. 

True, what she said was right on.  However, her opinion is not your opinion. 


i agree that no girl deserves to be raped. i also find it hard to feel bad for a woman who has the personality traits that jessica has just spoken of, or who has exposed herself on the internet.

no girl deserves to be rapped.
    but some bring it upon themselves.

i agree that no girl deserves to be raped. i also find it hard to feel bad for a woman who has the personality traits that jessica has just spoken of.


Good luck getting laid, kid.

i agree that no girl deserves to be raped. i also find it hard to feel bad for a woman who has the personality traits that jessica has just spoken of, or who has exposed herself on the internet.

no girl deserves to be rapped.
    but some bring it upon themselves.



So you don't think any woman deserves to be raped (even though you said that if she was walking around at night alone she did), but yet you wouldn't feel sorry for a woman who was raped if she was in your opinion "asking for it", based on the above described behaviors? 

So if your sister was on a date, and was flirting with the guy, teasing him......and he tried to have sex with her and she said no, but he raped her anyway.......you wouldn't feel sorry for her?  You're saying that some women deserve to be raped, or at the very least deserve no sympathy for being raped, based on their behavior? 

YOU ARE SAYING THERE ARE WOMEN WHO DESERVE TO BE RAPED.  DON'T BACKTRACK, IT'S UNSEEMLY.

You are a sad, sick indiviual.  I don't care if you are 14, or how ever old you are.  This is the attitude that breeds predators. 

i agree that no girl deserves to be raped. i also find it hard to feel bad for a woman who has the personality traits that jessica has just spoken of, or who has exposed herself on the internet.

no girl deserves to be rapped.
    but some bring it upon themselves.


I agree to a certain extent, I think you're making a point.

The girl didn't "ask" to be raped, but she should have been more careful not to be so promiscous. It doesn't justify the situation at all, nobody deserves to be raped, but she should have been more careful not to expose herself, especially on Myspace.

As for not feeling sorry for her, I usually don't feel sorry about tragedies that happen to people I don't know. Sounds heartless, but why should I care? Me caring won't make them feel any better, what can I do? I don't know them.  If I knew her, I would feel sorry for her. Rape is the worst thing that can happen to a woman besides dying. I hope the girl can learn to live with the rape and never have it done to her again.

The predator should be put in jail, he's a threat to society, and will probably do it again and again.

So you don't think any woman deserves to be raped (even though you said that if she was walking around at night alone she did), but yet you wouldn't feel sorry for a woman who was raped if she was in your opinion "asking for it", based on the above described behaviors? 

So if your sister was on a date, and was flirting with the guy, teasing him......and he tried to have sex with her and she said no, but he raped her anyway.......you wouldn't feel sorry for her?  You're saying that some women deserve to be raped, or at the very least deserve no sympathy for being raped, based on their behavior? 

YOU ARE SAYING THERE ARE WOMEN WHO DESERVE TO BE RAPED.  DON'T BACKTRACK, IT'S UNSEEMLY.

You are a sad, sick indiviual.  I don't care if you are 14, or how ever old you are.  This is the attitude that breeds predators. 


it may seem as if i am contradicting myself, but in truth, you are putting words into my mouth. so please, by all means, reply with a quote of any one time where i said the any girl deserves to be raped. as i said before, under all circumstance, the preditor deserves to be put behind bars. the fact is, we don't need to ban myspace, we need to ban these girls from myspace and some how teach their parents how to keep track of their internet usage

it may seem as if i am contradicting myself, but in truth, you are putting words into my mouth. so please, by all means, reply with a quote of any one time where i said the any girl deserves to be raped. as i said before, under all circumstance, the preditor deserves to be put behind bars. the fact is, we don't need to ban myspace, we need to ban these girls from myspace and some how teach their parents how to keep track of their internet usage


Morphine, he's not saying they deserved to be raped, he's saying they should have been more careful. A kid who runs away and gets kidnapped didn't deserve to be kidnapped, but they should have been more careful.

thankyou donnie darko

thankyou donnie darko


You're welcome.

it may seem as if i am contradicting myself, but in truth, you are putting words into my mouth. so please, by all means, reply with a quote of any one time where i said the any girl deserves to be raped. as i said before, under all circumstance, the preditor deserves to be put behind bars. the fact is, we don't need to ban myspace, we need to ban these girls from myspace and some how teach their parents how to keep track of their internet usage



I agree that the parents need to do a better job.  I also agree this girl should have used her brain instead of agreeing to meet this guy, but nothing she did.....NOTHING.....gave that 19 year old the right to rape her.  I don't care if she posted nude photos of herself blowing a chimp.  The minute a woman says NO to sexual activity....that NO means NO.  The minute anyone crosses that line, all previous behavior is thrown out the window and it's rape. 

By saying that there are times when women bring it on themselves, that is saying they deserved it.  You're just using different language to make the same point.  If I say to you that by not studying and failing your test, that means you've brought whatever punishment you get on yourself and therefore you deserve it. 

Seriously....this is the attitude predators have.  They rationalize their behavior in way to turn the tables on the victim.  It's sad, sick and disgusting.

By saying that there are times when women bring it on themselves, that is saying they deserved it. 


Not quite. If you run away from home and get kidnapped, molested and killed, you certainly didn't deserve it, and it certainly doesn't make the crimes any more justified, but you did "bring it upon yourself" by running away from home.

Not quite. If you run away from home and get kidnapped, molested and killed, you certainly didn't deserve it, and it certainly doesn't make the crimes any more justified, but you did "bring it upon yourself" by running away from home.


And what if they had a good reason for running? What if the parents were abusive? Do they still bring it upon themselves?

And what if they had a good reason for running? What if the parents were abusive? Do they still bring it upon themselves?


  jesus, would you just leave it alone. he said that the kid should be more careful. not that he/she brought it upon his/her self

And what if they had a good reason for running? What if the parents were abusive? Do they still bring it upon themselves?


No, that's different. I should say though, they're still kids. Nobody under the age of 15-18 can truly be considered accountable for their safety.

  jesus, would you just leave it alone. he said that the kid should be more careful. not that he/she brought it upon his/her self



YOU'RE THE ONE THAT STARTED THIS CRAP! 

  jesus, would you just leave it alone. he said that the kid should be more careful. not that he/she brought it upon his/her self


What has Jesus got to do with this? I never saw him reply.

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT STARTED THIS CRAP! 


wrong! i simply stated my opinion, and you attacked it!

wrong! i simply stated my opinion, and you attacked it!


Well, you did kind of ask for it dude.

Look, nobody deserves to be raped (which you said; whether or not you believe what you say, I don't know) and yes, people do put themselves into situations to be taken advantage of, but if you're going to state something like that, you'd better be prepared to bear the consequences.

Let's refresh, shall we?


all of these my-space related rapes/mullestations are the faults of the idiot teenage girls. if ya dont want to be raped/mullested then dont post pictures of yourself in a bikini on the internet. or beteryet, stay away from myspace. these girls are asking for it. 


This was your original post where you clearly state that they are AT FAULT. We disagreed with you, you backpedaled and whined. Deal with it.

wrong! i simply stated my opinion, and you attacked it!



Wait, wait, wait.  You want us to stop talking about who deserves to be raped and who doesn't......even though you're the one that started that tangent? 


Quit backpeddling, your heels are on fire.

Wait, wait, wait.  You want us to stop talking about who deserves to be raped and who doesn't......even though you're the one that started that tangent? 


Quit backpeddling, your heels are on fire.


no, please, be my guest. talk all you want about who does, does not deserve to be raped.  just please, leave me out of future texts.

i am hereby resigning from this topic

I thought the discussion here might deteriorate!
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I hate when people blame myspace for stupid stuff like this...it is the kids fault for adding the rapist as a friend and being an underage user. (which is not aloud anyways). How are they supposed to protect people who aren't supposed to be there in the first place!?

exactly

Oooh-hoo-hoo-hoo! Touch-ee!
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I hate when people blame myspace for stupid stuff like this...it is the kids fault for adding the rapist as a friend and being an underage user. (which is not aloud anyways). How are they supposed to protect people who aren't supposed to be there in the first place!?


While I agree that MySpace can't be held accountable for her rape, it's not her fault for adding the rapist to her friend's list. How the hell are you supposed to know that about a person anyways? I doubt they go around saying, "I'm a rapist! Add me to your friends!"

And it is ALLOWED (that's how you spell it) on MySpace to be underage or else they wouldn't have the option to make your profile private.

While I agree that MySpace can't be held accountable for her rape, it's not her fault for adding the rapist to her friend's list. How the hell are you supposed to know that about a person anyways? I doubt they go around saying, "I'm a rapist! Add me to your friends!"

A lot of 'em probably would!  Kids get brought up to believe the world is just fun and games and they can't really get hurt.
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A lot of 'em probably would!  Kids get brought up to believe the world is just fun and games and they can't really get hurt.
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I resent that. My son is almost a year and a half old, and even HE grasped the concept of not talking to strangers. He knows that I mean business when I get "that look" on my face when I tell him to stay on the sidewalk and hold my hand because the jacka$$es around here do not understand what "slow down" means. So when he gets of an age where he can go online and play, you can be d*mned sure I'm going to monitor his activities.

There are many parents that are horrible out there (see my rant about 2 year olds running wild and biting people). I'm pretty sure I'm not one of them.

I resent that. My son is almost a year and a half old, and even HE grasped the concept of not talking to strangers. He knows that I mean business when I get "that look" on my face when I tell him to stay on the sidewalk and hold my hand because the jacka$$es around here do not understand what "slow down" means. So when he gets of an age where he can go online and play, you can be d*mned sure I'm going to monitor his activities.

There are many parents that are horrible out there (see my rant about 2 year olds running wild and biting people). I'm pretty sure I'm not one of them.

Well, I wouldn't take it real personal-like. When anyone says "kids today," always understand that your kid is not and never will be in the "kids today" category. And anyway, what do I know about kids? Don't have 'em, don't want 'em.
But I would caution--you can do your best for 13 or 14 years, but all your counsel will seem for naught as soon as he's more interested in girls* than video games. It's not gone, it will just take a temporary hiatus. Your words of wisdom will come back to him when he's, oh, about 42, then he'll call you up and say, "Hey mom, you were right!"

*if he's interested in boys the way you'd expect he'd be interested in girls, the same applies.

Well, I wouldn't take it real personal-like. When anyone says "kids today," always understand that your kid is not and never will be in the "kids today" category. And anyway, what do I know about kids? Don't have 'em, don't want 'em.
But I would caution--you can do your best for 13 or 14 years, but all your counsel will seem for naught as soon as he's more interested in girls* than video games. It's not gone, it will just take a temporary hiatus. Your words of wisdom will come back to him when he's, oh, about 42, then he'll call you up and say, "Hey mom, you were right!"

*if he's interested in boys the way you'd expect he'd be interested in girls, the same applies.


Oh yes....I'm dreading those teenage years and he's not even close to it yet! :P I'm not even sure how I want to approach all the angst of that time. I know screeching doesn't work, nor does lecturing (I'm proof of that). I don't want to be super strict, either, and have him resent me in later years. I'm hoping to find a happy medium, but he's already proving to be stubborn (no clue where he got THAT from! ::)), so I don't know what will work for him.

As for sexual orientation....no worries. Whatever he decides is fine with us. I just want him to be happy and healthy and safe if he decides to see what sex is all about.

exactly
I thought you were resigning from this topic.............

As for sexual orientation....no worries. Whatever he decides is fine with us. I just want him to be happy and healthy and safe if he decides to see what sex is all about.


So long as he donates some sperm so I can have grandbabies :D

I am not sure if anybody has mentioned this or not (am not going through 5 pages of back messages to find out).

To begin with, MySpace has a restriction on profiles, and have had this for some time.  The minimum age has been in effect for several years now, so it is nothing new.

In order to even open an account on MySpace, you have to be at least 14 years old.  If you are under 16, then your account is limited.  You can view accounts of your friends, but nobody can view it without your approval.  This was done to try and protect younger children from the predators.

So if this gal had somebody run across her account, then that means that she lied about her age in order to get an "Unlimited" account.  Either that, or she had somebody refer this person to them.  At that point, I would be questioning whoever it was that introduced them together on-line.

I deal with MySpace all the time, and always encourage parents and children to keep away from it.  It is often little more then a prowling ground for pedophiles and stalkers.  I did some "Computer Forensics" for the parent of a 16 year old girl a few weeks ago, and there was quite a lot of disturbing e-mail and photos on her computer account.  Looking through her cache and bookmarks, there were a lot of guys ages 16-19 that were sending her rather pornographic photos.  It is basically this decades version of IRC.

One thing I tell everybody with kids is to monitor them.  Check in on them, see where they go, browse through their Favorites, cache, and My Documents.  And encourage them to watch shows like Dateline or 20/20 when they are running a special on on-line pedophiles.

Or have them go to Perverted Justice, there are a lot of logfiles and photographs there of pedophiles.  Just going through there often leaves me wanting to take a long shower.

http://www.perverted-justice.com/

In order to even open an account on MySpace, you have to be at least 14 years old.  If you are under 16, then your account is limited.  You can view accounts of your friends, but nobody can view it without your approval.  This was done to try and protect younger children from the predators.

So if this gal had somebody run across her account, then that means that she lied about her age in order to get an "Unlimited" account.  Either that, or she had somebody refer this person to them.  At that point, I would be questioning whoever it was that introduced them together on-line.



Or, he opened an account as posing as a 16 year old.

Or, he opened an account as posing as a 16 year old.


That still would not do it.

Nobody who is not invited can see the profile of somebody under 16, no matter what their age is.  That was done in order to try and prevent kids from being randomly stalked.

Either she lied about her age, or somebody refered this guy to her and she invited him to see her profile.

That still would not do it.

Nobody who is not invited can see the profile of somebody under 16, no matter what their age is.  That was done in order to try and prevent kids from being randomly stalked.

Either she lied about her age, or somebody refered this guy to her and she invited him to see her profile.


In which case she thought she was talking to someone her age.  The refferal thing, as a means of screening out pedophiles is meaningless.  They are choosing to talk to people who are skilled in knowing how to attract young kids.  I don't blame the kids, the judgement of a child is skewed, and easily manipulated, at the best of times. The fault lies squarely with the parents. With all the information out there I can't imagine why anyone would, at this point, give a child unfettered access to the internet. Frankly, I am surprised at some of the young kids that are able to show up here.

Let's refresh, shall we?

This was your original post where you clearly state that they are AT FAULT. We disagreed with you, you backpedaled and whined. Deal with it.


i meant as opposed to myspace. not the criminals.

I am not sure if anybody has mentioned this or not (am not going through 5 pages of back messages to find out).

To begin with, MySpace has a restriction on profiles, and have had this for some time.  The minimum age has been in effect for several years now, so it is nothing new.

In order to even open an account on MySpace, you have to be at least 14 years old.  If you are under 16, then your account is limited.  You can view accounts of your friends, but nobody can view it without your approval.  This was done to try and protect younger children from the predators.




i mentioned this but you did a much better job explaining it

. Frankly, I am surprised at some of the young kids that are able to show up here.


inthe00s.com is a safe, monitored website. there's no need for any age restrictions.

inthe00s.com is a safe, monitored website. there's no need for any age restrictions.

They even let ME hang around the place!
8)

They even let ME hang around the place!
8)


And we know what sort of a person you are, Max. You dated a girl who believed in aliens ;D!

Well, they do let me hang around here. I'm a corrupting influence if anyone is...

And we know what sort of a person you are, Max. You dated a girl who believed in aliens ;D!

Well, they do let me hang around here. I'm a corrupting influence if anyone is...

She didn't just believe in aliens, she believed she had been visited and abducted numerous times by extraterrestrials; she believed her brother was an extraterrestrial (now in some super-secret military intelligence program); she believed extrerrestrials performed a tubal ligation on her while she a spacecraft abductee; she believed exterrestrials used her closet as a portal (like on Star Trek), and so on and son...
Talk abotu MySpace...
The thing about Sharon was that far from being a far-gone mental case babbling on a streetcorner, she held a full-time 9-5 job, kept an orderly house, kept all her financial affairs in order, excelled at the maternal duties required of her by her young son, and generally appeared quite, uh, "normal."  She was certain, however, with no doubt, about all she said regarding extraterrestrials.  The other thing is, Sharon was African-American...I always associated the "alien abduction" subculture with "crazy white people sh*t!"

And the funny thing is, we dated just briefly the broke up, but the break up had nothing to do with her "delusions," it other circumstances that made us dating impractical!
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But I digress...

I wanted to mention the funniest excuse on "Perverted Justice."  The 52-year-old scuzzball drove a hundred miles ostensively for a sexual liason with a 14-year-old girl.  When the "Perverted Justice" crew accosted him in the house, the guy spun a tale of deep concern and declared he had come to warn the girl about all the dangerous, sick perverts looking to molest young girls online!  He went on about how he had children the girl's age, and how concerned it he was about the dangers to minors online.  So...his dirty-talk sessions with the girl (the undercover cop) were just a feint to get her to invite him over so he could drive 100 miles and warn her in person.  The man's impromptu explanation impressed me.  I mean, I didn't believe it for a second, but he sure had a great answer compared to the other guys' "Ummm, I uh, what's going on here?  What am I doing here? What are you doing here?  I didn't say that!"
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She didn't just believe in aliens, she believed she had been visited and abducted numerous times by extraterrestrials; she believed her brother was an extraterrestrial (now in some super-secret military intelligence program); she believed extrerrestrials performed a tubal ligation on her while she a spacecraft abductee; she believed exterrestrials used her closet as a portal (like on Star Trek), and so on and son...
Talk abotu MySpace...
The thing about Sharon was that far from being a far-gone mental case babbling on a streetcorner, she held a full-time 9-5 job, kept an orderly house, kept all her financial affairs in order, excelled at the maternal duties required of her by her young son, and generally appeared quite, uh, "normal."  She was certain, however, with no doubt, about all she said regarding extraterrestrials.  The other thing is, Sharon was African-American...I always associated the "alien abduction" subculture with "crazy white people sh*t!"

And the funny thing is, we dated just briefly the broke up, but the break up had nothing to do with her "delusions," it other circumstances that made us dating impractical!
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But I digress...

I wanted to mention the funniest excuse on "Perverted Justice."  The 52-year-old scuzzball drove a hundred miles ostensively for a sexual liason with a 14-year-old girl.  When the "Perverted Justice" crew accosted him in the house, the guy spun a tale of deep concern and declared he had come to warn the girl about all the dangerous, sick perverts looking to molest young girls online!  He went on about how he had children the girl's age, and how concerned it he was about the dangers to minors online.  So...his dirty-talk sessions with the girl (the undercover cop) were just a feint to get her to invite him over so he could drive 100 miles and warn her in person.  The man's impromptu explanation impressed me.  I mean, I didn't believe it for a second, but he sure had a great answer compared to the other guys' "Ummm, I uh, what's going on here?  What am I doing here? What are you doing here?  I didn't say that!"
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Hmm, I have an aunt who, I suppose is similar. She moves around fairly frequently because she believes her landlord is trying to poison her. But, on the other hand, she recently got her MA from Columbia and has a steady job working as a building health inspector in Harlem (she's a cleanliness nut), and is a pet mommy of multiple cats. Who lives the next town over from us and scrupulously avoids her entire family.

Hmm, I have an aunt who, I suppose is similar. She moves around fairly frequently because she believes her landlord is trying to poison her. But, on the other hand, she recently got her MA from Columbia and has a steady job working as a building health inspector in Harlem (she's a cleanliness nut), and is a pet mommy of multiple cats. Who lives the next town over from us and scrupulously avoids her entire family.



Hmmm....if she was a building inspector, her landlord might really be trying to poison her!  I dealt with some pretty heinous landlords in my day, and they all had a few things in common:
1. They all wanted the rent promptly on first of the month; may sound reasonable, but...
2. They never wanted to fix anything.
3. If they had to fix something, they tried to force you to pay for it, even if you did not cause the problem.
4. They all violated health and safety codes as much as they possibly could.
5. Their de facto definition of "security deposit" was: "Give me an extra $500.00 for me."
6. They wanted to be able to poke around in your apartment at will, but believed no one from the government had any affair meddling in their private business!  I can think of a couple from my past who might try to poison a building inspector!
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Hmmm....if she was a building inspector, her landlord might really be trying to poison her!  I dealt with some pretty heinous landlords in my day, and they all had a few things in common:
1. They all wanted the rent promptly on first of the month; may sound reasonable, but...
2. They never wanted to fix anything.
3. If they had to fix something, they tried to force you to pay for it, even if you did not cause the problem.
4. They all violated health and safety codes as much as they possibly could.
5. Their de facto definition of "security deposit" was: "Give me an extra $500.00 for me."
6. They wanted to be able to poke around in your apartment at will, but believed no one from the government had any affair meddling in their private business!  I can think of a couple from my past who might try to poison a building inspector!
::)



Yes, I suppose...prior to that she was working in some obscure, "secret" job with Roche, the pharmaceutical giant. She has never gotten over her sibling rivalry with my mother. She recently ran into my mother at the Y and didn't recognize her  ::).