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Subject: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: lterhune on 05/03/07 at 12:20 am


Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money has been a big issue in the last few years. It has been considered a bad thing to take money from these folks & I wonder how people here feel about that.

Some interesting facts:


During 2006 Cycle, Democrats Are The Top 4 Recipients Of Lobbyist/Lawyer Money, Taking More Than $3.1 Million. (The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 2/17/06)

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY): $1,050,999Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL): $723,182
Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA): $676,835
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA): $673,496. (The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 2/17/06)


28 Of The 31 Senators Have Received Contributions From Abramoff's Clients And Firms.

(The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 1/4/06)
(A much larger percentage than Republican senators by far)

Since 1990, Democrats Have Received 70% Of Lobbyist/Lawyer Donations, Almost $546 Million.
(The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 2/17/06)

But of course, facts aside, the propaganda machine has pushed that it is a right wing problem... go figure! (can we say "double-standard hypocrite liars"?


Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Red Ant on 05/03/07 at 2:07 am


But of course, facts aside, the propaganda machine has pushed that it is a right wing problem... go figure!


Where can I get a "propaganda machine"? Does Ron Popeil sell it? Or is it like the time-travelling DeLorean in BTTF: simply a myth?

That is a very good site. I would post some stats (or "facts", as it were) on how the right wing has received more than enough money from several dubious benefactors, but, alas, I wouldn't want to point out any staggering hypocrisy to you.



(can we say "double-standard hypocrite liars"?)



Can we keep this somewhat civil, or are you just going to post inflammatory rhetoric?

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: spaceace on 05/03/07 at 6:21 am


Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money has been a big issue in the last few years. It has been considered a bad thing to take money from these folks & I wonder how people here feel about that.

Some interesting facts:


During 2006 Cycle, Democrats Are The Top 4 Recipients Of Lobbyist/Lawyer Money, Taking More Than $3.1 Million. (The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 2/17/06)

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY): $1,050,999Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL): $723,182
Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA): $676,835
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA): $673,496. (The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 2/17/06)


28 Of The 31 Senators Have Received Contributions From Abramoff's Clients And Firms.

(The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 1/4/06)
(A much larger percentage than Republican senators by far)

Since 1990, Democrats Have Received 70% Of Lobbyist/Lawyer Donations, Almost $546 Million.
(The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 2/17/06)

But of course, facts aside, the propaganda machine has pushed that it is a right wing problem... go figure! (can we say "double-standard hypocrite liars"?




Now post the same information on members of the Republican Party.  Let's make it a bipartisan inquiry. :)

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 05/03/07 at 9:45 am

***YAWN***


Abramoff's `Equal Money' Went Mostly to Republicans (Update1)

By Jonathan D. Salant and Kristin Jensen

Dec. 21 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. President George W. Bush calls indicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff ``an equal money dispenser'' who helped politicians of both parties. Campaign donation records show Republicans were a lot more equal than Democrats.

Between 2001 and 2004, Abramoff gave more than $127,000 to Republican candidates and committees and nothing to Democrats, federal records show. At the same time, his Indian clients were the only ones among the top 10 tribal donors in the U.S. to donate more money to Republicans than Democrats.

Bush's comment about Abramoff in a Dec. 14 Fox News interview was aimed at countering Democratic accusations that Republicans have brought a ``culture of corruption'' to Washington. Even so, the numbers show that ``Abramoff's big connections were with the Republicans,'' said Larry Noble, the former top lawyer for the Federal Election Commission, who directs the Washington-based Center for Responsive Politics.

``It is somewhat unusual in that most lobbyists try to work with both Republicans and Democrats, but we're already seeing that Jack Abramoff doesn't seem to be a usual lobbyist,'' Noble said.

Abramoff, 46, is under investigation by a Justice Department-led task force; he has already been indicted in Florida in a separate case involving the purchase of a casino boat company.

Abramoff is talking with prosecutors about providing testimony against former political and business associates in exchange for a reduced sentence, the New York Times reported today, citing unidentified people with knowledge of the case.

`Glass Houses'

The National Republican Senatorial Committee has set up a Web page, dubbed ``Glass Houses,'' featuring pictures of Democratic senators and a tally of funds they took from Abramoff or his associates.

In the last week, two Democrats have said they're returning donations from Indian tribes represented by Abramoff and from his associates. Senator Byron Dorgan of North Dakota -- the top Democrat on a committee investigating the lobbyist -- gave back $67,000. Senator Max Baucus of Montana is returning $18,893.

Mostly Republicans

Between 2001 and 2004, Abramoff joined with his former partner, Michael Scanlon, and tribal clients to give money to a third of the members of Congress, including former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, according to records of the Federal Election Commission and Internal Revenue Service. At least 171 lawmakers got $1.4 million in campaign donations from the group. Republicans took in most of the money, with 110 lawmakers getting $942,275, or 66 percent of the total.

Of the top 10 political donors among Indian tribes in that period, three are former clients of Abramoff and Scanlon: the Saginaw Chippewa Tribe of Michigan, the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, and the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians of California. All three gave most of their donations to Republicans -- by margins of 30 percentage points or more -- while the rest favored Democrats.

Abramoff faces allegations that he bilked the casino-owning tribes out of millions of dollars and attempted to corrupt public officials. E-mails released by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee during a year of hearings offer evidence that he directed the tribes to donate funds to specific lawmakers.

Continued to Give

Abramoff's tribal clients continued to give money to Democrats even after he began representing them, although in smaller percentages than in the past.

The Saginaw Chippewas gave $500,500 to Republicans between 2001 and 2004 and $277,210 to Democrats, according to a review of data compiled by Dwight L. Morris & Associates, a Bristow, Virginia-based company that tracks campaign-finance reports. Between 1997 and 2000, the tribe gave just $158,000 to Republicans and $279,000 to Democrats.

The Republican senatorial committee is sending information out to state campaigns and to all Republican press secretaries on Capitol Hill about the Democrat-Abramoff connections, spokesman Brian Nick said. The cover sheet asks, ``They Don't Know Jack???'' in red ink and features a picture of Abramoff surrounded by Democrats including Dorgan and Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

Reid's Response

Reid spokeswoman Tessa Hafen said the senator is still considering whether to return the $60,000 in donations he received from Abramoff associates and clients. The money includes contributions that came from Abramoff's former employer, Greenberg Traurig LLP, a lobbying and law firm with multiple issues in Congress.

Bush, in the Fox News interview, said of Abramoff: ``It seems to me that he was an equal money dispenser, that he was giving money to people in both political parties.''

White House spokeswoman Erin Healy said yesterday that Bush was making the point that Abramoff's links weren't exclusively Republican. ``The president was referring to press reports showing Mr. Abramoff, his clients and associates have contributed to both Democrats and Republicans alike,'' Healy said.

``Republicans are bending over backwards to exaggerate the links'' between Democrats and Abramoff, said Phil Singer, a spokesman for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. ``This is a Republican scandal that involves Republican lawmakers doing favors for a Republican lobbyist.''

`Representative No. 1'

Scanlon, Abramoff's former partner, has pleaded guilty to attempted fraud and corruption of public officials and is cooperating with the Justice Department's investigation. His plea agreement refers to efforts to corrupt U.S. lawmakers, including a ``Representative No. 1,'' identified by lawyers in the case as Ohio Republican Robert Ney.

The other names most frequently mentioned in connection with Abramoff are both Republicans: DeLay, a one-time friend who has cut off contact with the lobbyist, and Senator Conrad Burns of Montana. Burns, who is facing criticism in his home state for being the top recipient of Abramoff-related donations, said on Dec. 16 he planned to give back to the tribes about $150,000 in contributions from Abramoff, his associates and tribal clients.

In the Florida case, in which Abramoff has already been indicted, prosecutors allege that he and partner Adam Kidan conspired to defraud lenders when buying SunCruz Casino Ltd. in 2000. Kidan pleaded guilty Dec. 15, and his lawyer said he's willing to testify against Abramoff.

To contact the reporters on this story: Kristin Jensen in Washington kjensen@Bloomberg.net ; Jonathan D. Salant in Washington at jsalant@bloomberg.net .
Last Updated: December 21, 2005 08:17 EST

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=arVHles5cKJc&refer=us


in total, the donations of Abramoff’s tribal clients to Democrats dropped by nine percent after they hired him, while their donations to Republicans more than doubled, increasing by 135 percent after they signed him up;

five out of seven of Abramoff’s tribal clients vastly favored Republican candidates over Democratic ones;

four of the seven began giving substantially more to Republicans than Democrats after he took them on;

Abramoff’s clients gave well over twice as much to Republicans than Democrats, while tribes not affiliated with Abramoff gave well over twice as much to Democrats than the GOP -- exactly the reverse pattern.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=10924

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: spaceace on 05/03/07 at 10:31 am


***YAWN***


Abramoff's `Equal Money' Went Mostly to Republicans (Update1)

By Jonathan D. Salant and Kristin Jensen

Dec. 21 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. President George W. Bush calls indicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff ``an equal money dispenser'' who helped politicians of both parties. Campaign donation records show Republicans were a lot more equal than Democrats.

Between 2001 and 2004, Abramoff gave more than $127,000 to Republican candidates and committees and nothing to Democrats, federal records show. At the same time, his Indian clients were the only ones among the top 10 tribal donors in the U.S. to donate more money to Republicans than Democrats.

Bush's comment about Abramoff in a Dec. 14 Fox News interview was aimed at countering Democratic accusations that Republicans have brought a ``culture of corruption'' to Washington. Even so, the numbers show that ``Abramoff's big connections were with the Republicans,'' said Larry Noble, the former top lawyer for the Federal Election Commission, who directs the Washington-based Center for Responsive Politics.

``It is somewhat unusual in that most lobbyists try to work with both Republicans and Democrats, but we're already seeing that Jack Abramoff doesn't seem to be a usual lobbyist,'' Noble said.

Abramoff, 46, is under investigation by a Justice Department-led task force; he has already been indicted in Florida in a separate case involving the purchase of a casino boat company.

Abramoff is talking with prosecutors about providing testimony against former political and business associates in exchange for a reduced sentence, the New York Times reported today, citing unidentified people with knowledge of the case.

`Glass Houses'

The National Republican Senatorial Committee has set up a Web page, dubbed ``Glass Houses,'' featuring pictures of Democratic senators and a tally of funds they took from Abramoff or his associates.

In the last week, two Democrats have said they're returning donations from Indian tribes represented by Abramoff and from his associates. Senator Byron Dorgan of North Dakota -- the top Democrat on a committee investigating the lobbyist -- gave back $67,000. Senator Max Baucus of Montana is returning $18,893.

Mostly Republicans

Between 2001 and 2004, Abramoff joined with his former partner, Michael Scanlon, and tribal clients to give money to a third of the members of Congress, including former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, according to records of the Federal Election Commission and Internal Revenue Service. At least 171 lawmakers got $1.4 million in campaign donations from the group. Republicans took in most of the money, with 110 lawmakers getting $942,275, or 66 percent of the total.

Of the top 10 political donors among Indian tribes in that period, three are former clients of Abramoff and Scanlon: the Saginaw Chippewa Tribe of Michigan, the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, and the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians of California. All three gave most of their donations to Republicans -- by margins of 30 percentage points or more -- while the rest favored Democrats.

Abramoff faces allegations that he bilked the casino-owning tribes out of millions of dollars and attempted to corrupt public officials. E-mails released by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee during a year of hearings offer evidence that he directed the tribes to donate funds to specific lawmakers.

Continued to Give

Abramoff's tribal clients continued to give money to Democrats even after he began representing them, although in smaller percentages than in the past.

The Saginaw Chippewas gave $500,500 to Republicans between 2001 and 2004 and $277,210 to Democrats, according to a review of data compiled by Dwight L. Morris & Associates, a Bristow, Virginia-based company that tracks campaign-finance reports. Between 1997 and 2000, the tribe gave just $158,000 to Republicans and $279,000 to Democrats.

The Republican senatorial committee is sending information out to state campaigns and to all Republican press secretaries on Capitol Hill about the Democrat-Abramoff connections, spokesman Brian Nick said. The cover sheet asks, ``They Don't Know Jack???'' in red ink and features a picture of Abramoff surrounded by Democrats including Dorgan and Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

Reid's Response

Reid spokeswoman Tessa Hafen said the senator is still considering whether to return the $60,000 in donations he received from Abramoff associates and clients. The money includes contributions that came from Abramoff's former employer, Greenberg Traurig LLP, a lobbying and law firm with multiple issues in Congress.

Bush, in the Fox News interview, said of Abramoff: ``It seems to me that he was an equal money dispenser, that he was giving money to people in both political parties.''

White House spokeswoman Erin Healy said yesterday that Bush was making the point that Abramoff's links weren't exclusively Republican. ``The president was referring to press reports showing Mr. Abramoff, his clients and associates have contributed to both Democrats and Republicans alike,'' Healy said.

``Republicans are bending over backwards to exaggerate the links'' between Democrats and Abramoff, said Phil Singer, a spokesman for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. ``This is a Republican scandal that involves Republican lawmakers doing favors for a Republican lobbyist.''

`Representative No. 1'

Scanlon, Abramoff's former partner, has pleaded guilty to attempted fraud and corruption of public officials and is cooperating with the Justice Department's investigation. His plea agreement refers to efforts to corrupt U.S. lawmakers, including a ``Representative No. 1,'' identified by lawyers in the case as Ohio Republican Robert Ney.

The other names most frequently mentioned in connection with Abramoff are both Republicans: DeLay, a one-time friend who has cut off contact with the lobbyist, and Senator Conrad Burns of Montana. Burns, who is facing criticism in his home state for being the top recipient of Abramoff-related donations, said on Dec. 16 he planned to give back to the tribes about $150,000 in contributions from Abramoff, his associates and tribal clients.

In the Florida case, in which Abramoff has already been indicted, prosecutors allege that he and partner Adam Kidan conspired to defraud lenders when buying SunCruz Casino Ltd. in 2000. Kidan pleaded guilty Dec. 15, and his lawyer said he's willing to testify against Abramoff.

To contact the reporters on this story: Kristin Jensen in Washington kjensen@Bloomberg.net ; Jonathan D. Salant in Washington at jsalant@bloomberg.net .
Last Updated: December 21, 2005 08:17 EST

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=arVHles5cKJc&refer=us


in total, the donations of Abramoff’s tribal clients to Democrats dropped by nine percent after they hired him, while their donations to Republicans more than doubled, increasing by 135 percent after they signed him up;

five out of seven of Abramoff’s tribal clients vastly favored Republican candidates over Democratic ones;

four of the seven began giving substantially more to Republicans than Democrats after he took them on;

Abramoff’s clients gave well over twice as much to Republicans than Democrats, while tribes not affiliated with Abramoff gave well over twice as much to Democrats than the GOP -- exactly the reverse pattern.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=10924


Karma+1 :)

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: lterhune on 05/03/07 at 1:12 pm


Now post the same information on members of the Republican Party.  Let's make it a bipartisan inquiry. :)



You mean just like the thread on Bush's alleged scandals? (so it would be fair here?)

(I missed the demoncrat's scandals, I will post that with a poll soon)

As for the rest of you, partisan editorials aside, facts are facts even if you do not like them!




Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: spaceace on 05/03/07 at 2:09 pm



You mean just like the thread on Bush's alleged scandals? (so it would be fair here?)

(I missed the Democrat's scandals, I will post that with a poll soon)

As for the rest of you, partisan editorials aside, facts are facts even if you do not like them!







I would really love it if you quoted a nonpartisan source for once. 

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/03/07 at 5:09 pm

I don't give a frog's fat azz who's on the take.  Shut down K Street.  It's time for voter-owned elections.  We need a radical overhaul in campaign finance in this country.
 

I don't know why Iterhune wants to bring Jack Abramoff up if she supports the Republican Party as much as she seems to. 
(refer to Kim's post).
::)

OK, now I'm gona clamp a clothespin to my nose and do something I've never done before.  I'm going to link to the National Review website...what's more, I'm going to link to Rich Lowry's column.

http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200601100816.asp

It is true that any Washington influence peddler is going to spread cash and favors as widely as possible,
and 210 members of Congress have received Abramoff-connected dollars.
But this is, in its essence, a Republican scandal, and any attempt to portray it otherwise is a misdirection.


--Rich Lowry (1/10/06)


I feel so besmirched.  May God forgive me!

The point is, if Rich Lowry says Republicans better not try to pin this one on the Dems, well you know....
::)

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: spaceace on 05/03/07 at 5:12 pm


I don't give a frog's fat azz who's on the take.  Shut down K Street.  It's time for voter-owned elections.  We need a radical overhaul in campaign finance in this country.



True, but the dear lady is trying to make a point.  Maybe we should wait a while till she makes it. ;)

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/03/07 at 5:26 pm


True, but the dear lady is trying to make a point.  Maybe we should wait a while till she makes it. ;)

She has made her point.  There are greasy politicos in the "Democrat" party who would take a satchel of cash from a crank-selling kiddy pornographer in a backroom at the Bunny Ranch.  I completely agree. 

They don't come much sleazier than Abe Jackemoff, uh, Jack Abramoff, and some Dems took money from him too.

But it wasn't Reid or Dorgan partying with Abramoff with underaged sex slaves on Saipan.  That was Tom DeLay!

Matter of degrees, you see!
:o

"Liberals love their country like adults love one another.
Conservatives love their country like a three-year-old loves his mommy and daddy."
--Al Franken

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: lterhune on 05/03/07 at 5:47 pm


I would really love it if you quoted a nonpartisan source for once. 


ditto I am sure!  ::)

It's cute  ;) how official it is when you all quote the NY Times & when I do, it's suddenly unacceptable!

..and don't worry, I will when I make the democrat scandals thread!  :)

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: lterhune on 05/03/07 at 5:53 pm




"Liberals love their country like adults love one another.
Conservatives love their country like a three-year-old loves his mommy and daddy."
--Al Franken





"Liberals love their country like adults love one another.
Conservatives love their country like a three-year-old loves his mommy and daddy."
--Al Franken


Al Franken  ::) -- Keep up the good old show of youthful mentality I am so used to reading in here!


Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Tia on 05/03/07 at 5:56 pm


Where can I get a "propaganda machine"?
just turn the crank bro!

http://mfinley.com/list-wurlitzer.htm

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/03/07 at 6:00 pm


Al Franken  ::) -- Keep up the good old show of youthful mentality I am so used to reading in here!




Since the average Bill O'Reilly watcher is 71 years old, I guess that makes me, uh, youthful!

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: lterhune on 05/03/07 at 8:45 pm


Since the average Bill O'Reilly watcher is 71 years old, I guess that makes me, uh, youthful!


Yippie! Yet another sharp (but totally made up) mature tidbit from the peanut gallery.


Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Tia on 05/03/07 at 8:46 pm


Yippie! Yet another sharp (but totally made up) mature tidbit from the peanut gallery.



i think he was joking. if i had to guess, i'd peg the typical o'reilly viewer as being more like 7.1.

in speaking of which, who's that blowhard they've got on CNN headline news now? it's some new commentator tryiong to compete with o'reilly. he's quite annoying and ridiculous.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: lterhune on 05/03/07 at 9:41 pm


i think he was joking. if i had to guess, i'd peg the typical o'reilly viewer as being more like 7.1.


And you are a 'sharp guesser' sweeties!    (gad)

in speaking of which, who's that blowhard they've got on CNN headline news now? it's some new commentator tryiong to compete with o'reilly. he's quite annoying and ridiculous.


I need a vacation

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Red Ant on 05/03/07 at 10:31 pm


Yippie! Yet another sharp (but totally made up) mature tidbit from the peanut gallery.


Ho-hum. Yet another dull (and totally asinine), immature and pathetic barb from Linda directed toward another board member again.


And you are a 'sharp guesser' sweeties!     (gad)



And yet another. Wow, I'm truly impressed...

Is it really that hard not to be condescending? Furthermore, if you are so superior to all us slimy God hating, Ted Kennedy worshipping, baby-killing, immoral liberal demoncrats (i.e., anyone who disagrees in the slightest with your viewpoints), then maybe you'd also be superior enough to be able to read this and comprehend it.

I reply to you in this fashion because, frankly, banning you is not going to teach you a damned thing. You mentioned free speech earlier, perhaps in another thread. Yes, we want and encourage free speech. Your views are not why I am typing this post, rather your extremely arrogant and patronizing delivery of them is.


I need a vacation


You most certainly do. I suggest you take a short one from this site, while it is still your choice to do so.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Tia on 05/03/07 at 10:37 pm



You most certainly do. I suggest you take a short one from this site, while it is still your choice to do so.


awww. she ain't doin' nothin'! let her stay. i think she's fun. i totally disagree with her about everything under the sun but i like having somebody to argue with who comes here frequently. yanno?

politics is about mixin' it up. that's just the way it is, i don't think she's breaking any rules.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 05/04/07 at 1:11 am


ditto I am sure!  ::)

It's cute  ;) how official it is when you all quote the NY Times & when I do, it's suddenly unacceptable!

..and don't worry, I will when I make the democrat scandals thread!  :)


maybe I missed it (I didn't go through the ENTIRE site) but I must've missed the note on the nytimes website that directly links it to the democratic party?  hmmm....guess I'll have to go back and look again.....yup, looked through more, still don't see it....oh, but wait, there's the rnc link on the drudgereport and newsmax websites :o

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 05/04/07 at 1:12 am


Ho-hum. Yet another dull (and totally asinine), immature and pathetic barb from Linda directed toward another board member again.

And yet another. Wow, I'm truly impressed...

Is it really that hard not to be condescending? Furthermore, if you are so superior to all us slimy God hating, Ted Kennedy worshipping, baby-killing, immoral liberal demoncrats (i.e., anyone who disagrees in the slightest with your viewpoints), then maybe you'd also be superior enough to be able to read this and comprehend it.

I reply to you in this fashion because, frankly, banning you is not going to teach you a damned thing. You mentioned free speech earlier, perhaps in another thread. Yes, we want and encourage free speech. Your views are not why I am typing this post, rather your extremely arrogant and patronizing delivery of them is.


awwww.....come on, you know you're just picking on her because of her superior intellect and devout Christianity.....don't you see where everyone else is doing this to her?  She's not doing anything.....just ask her, she'll tell you....

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Tia on 05/04/07 at 9:01 am


Ho-hum. Yet another dull (and totally asinine), immature and pathetic barb from Linda directed toward another board member again.

And yet another. Wow, I'm truly impressed...

Is it really that hard not to be condescending? Furthermore, if you are so superior to all us slimy God hating, Ted Kennedy worshipping, baby-killing, immoral liberal demoncrats

um, that's demoncrap?  ::) as any junior-high-school sandbox political debater knows. your daddy is a demoncrap, and my daddy could beat him up. :P

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 05/04/07 at 9:09 am


um, that's demoncrap?  ::) as any junior-high-school sandbox political debater knows. your daddy is a demoncrap, and my daddy could beat him up. :P


Yeah, well my daddy can beat up BOTH of your daddies ;)

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: lterhune on 05/04/07 at 5:08 pm


awww. she ain't doin' nothin'! let her stay. i think she's fun. i totally disagree with her about everything under the sun but i like having somebody to argue with who comes here frequently. yanno?

politics is about mixin' it up. that's just the way it is, i don't think she's breaking any rules.



Awe, I knew you were my favortie!


Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/04/07 at 6:57 pm


i think he was joking. if i had to guess, i'd peg the typical o'reilly viewer as being more like 7.1.



You mean age or IQ?
:D

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/11/arts/television/11keit.html?ex=1310270400&en=4ccc4d43ec65612e&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

Of course, this is the liberal New York Times' article on the liberal Keith Olbermann citing stats from the liberal MSNBC.  You know, it's all part of the far-left hate cabal.  Anyway, I would think Bill-O would embrace the upper age brackets tuning into his program.  The "traditionalist" credo tells us to respect our elders for their years and wisdom.  I see no problem here.  In more traditionalist cultures, the young seek to emulate the old.  In our narcissistic and juvenile society we see the elderly as objects of fear and ridicule.  I'm dead serious about the last two sentences, BTW.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Tia on 05/04/07 at 7:13 pm


You mean age or IQ?
:D

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/11/arts/television/11keit.html?ex=1310270400&en=4ccc4d43ec65612e&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

Of course, this is the liberal New York Times' article on the liberal Keith Olbermann citing stats from the liberal MSNBC.  You know, it's all part of the far-left hate cabal.  Anyway, I would think Bill-O would embrace the upper age brackets tuning into his program.  The "traditionalist" credo tells us to respect our elders for their years and wisdom.  I see no problem here.  In more traditionalist cultures, the young seek to emulate the old.  In our narcissistic and juvenile society we see the elderly as objects of fear and ridicule.  I'm dead serious about the last two sentences, BTW.

lol. i mean age. i don't think someone with a 7 IQ could breathe without a respirator.

i looooovvvveeee keith olbermann.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/04/07 at 7:27 pm


Yeah, well my daddy can beat up BOTH of your daddies ;)


When another kid would say:

"My dad can beat up your dad!"

I'd say,

"When?"

;D


lol. i mean age. i don't think someone with a 7 IQ could breathe without a respirator.

i looooovvvveeee keith olbermann.


That's hyper-bowl.

Didn't you ever say when somebody flipped you off, "What's that, your age or your IQ?"
:P

What I like about Keith is that he's a big sports guy.  I thought he was one of them until he knocked my socks off with his commentary.  He doesn't strike me as especially "liberal," he's just pointing out the all-to-obvious hypocrisy and idiocy that's overtaken our social/political discourse.  Glad to see somebody on TV doing it!

(stole that one from Bill Hicks)

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Tia on 05/05/07 at 12:13 am

He doesn't strike me as especially "liberal," he's just pointing out the all-to-obvious hypocrisy and idiocy that's overtaken our social/political discourse. 
see, that's how i feel about noam chomsky! it's not like he's trying to turn everyone into a vegetarian or going on about solar power, he just recognizes the obvious fact that all this war stuff is a money racket, and he explains it slowly, patiently and level-headedly. he never struck me as especially liberal until i learned he was part of, i dunno, the commie movement or something. i mean, the way he gets painted strikes me as so different from what you think when you actually hear him.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: La Roche on 05/05/07 at 12:19 am


see, that's how i feel about noam chomsky! it's not like he's trying to turn everyone into a vegetarian or going on about solar power, he just recognizes the obvious fact that all this war stuff is a money racket, and he explains it slowly, patiently and level-headedly. he never struck me as especially liberal until i learned he was part of, i dunno, the commie movement or something. i mean, the way he gets painted strikes me as so different from what you think when you actually hear him.


Was it you or Max that was stunned to learn I'm a big Noam fan. You're right, I had no idea he was an uber-liberal until I took the time to read up on him.. he presents his opinions as clear fact and intelligent conjecture, not slanted agit-prop.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Tia on 05/05/07 at 9:17 am

yeah, it was me who was stunned. ;D

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/05/07 at 11:58 am


Was it you or Max that was stunned to learn I'm a big Noam fan. You're right, I had no idea he was an uber-liberal until I took the time to read up on him.. he presents his opinions as clear fact and intelligent conjecture, not slanted agit-prop.

No surprise there.  Noam is the kind of take-no-prisoners type of guy you like. 

He would speak no more kindly of Hillary Clinton than he would of GW Bush, and I'm inclined to agree.

I'm glad I got to see him speak a couple of times.  He's 79 years old now, not likely to be around for too much longer.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: danootaandme on 05/05/07 at 12:15 pm




But of course, facts aside, the propaganda machine has pushed that it is a right wing problem... go figure! (can we say "double-standard hypocrite liars"?




Azusa Pacific University


We honor and uphold the following distinctives:


First on the list

The exercise of grace in every situation


uh oh 
  ::)

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/05/07 at 12:23 pm



Azusa Pacific University


We honor and uphold the following distinctives:


First on the list

The exercise of grace in every situation


uh oh 
  ::)


By way of the antinomian Christian Right, "grace" has come to mean, "Jesus is my Lord and savior, I'm going to heaven, you're getting left behind, and I'm a better, more deserving human being than you!"

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: La Roche on 05/05/07 at 4:41 pm


No surprise there.  Noam is the kind of take-no-prisoners type of guy you like. 

He would speak no more kindly of Hillary Clinton than he would of GW Bush, and I'm inclined to agree.

I'm glad I got to see him speak a couple of times.  He's 79 years old now, not likely to be around for too much longer.


Exactly, take no prisoners.

He basically tells it like it is and gives good sensible answers to the questions that plague us on a regular basis.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/05/07 at 5:20 pm


Exactly, take no prisoners.

He basically tells it like it is and gives good sensible answers to the questions that plague us on a regular basis.

And that's why the chattering punditocracy won't invite him to comment.

RUSH LIMBAUGH:  Free markets work if the government stays out of the way.
AL FRANKEN: Free markets work if they have the right government oversight.
NOAM CHOMSKY:  Free markets don't exist.  They never have, they never will, and there's no intentions for them by the owner class, here's my evidence---

Noam is basically anti-authoritarian.  He's been called an anarchist, both as an compliment and an insult.  I don't expect solutions to our problems from Noam.  I think some of our major problems don't have solutions...and that conclusion is unacceptable to idealogues Left and Right.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: La Roche on 05/05/07 at 5:38 pm


And that's why the chattering punditocracy won't invite him to comment.

RUSH LIMBAUGH:  Free markets work if the government stays out of the way.
AL FRANKEN: Free markets work if they have the right government oversight.
NOAM CHOMSKY:  Free markets don't exist.  They never have, they never will, and there's no intentions for them by the owner class, here's my evidence---

Noam is basically anti-authoritarian.  He's been called an anarchist, both as an compliment and an insult.  I don't expect solutions to our problems from Noam.  I think some of our major problems don't have solutions...and that conclusion is unacceptable to idealogues Left and Right.


That's too true. Notice, those with the most to say are never given the opportunity to say it.

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Mushroom on 05/06/07 at 3:58 pm

Personally, I wish that PACs, Special Interest Groups, and that entire group of filth would just vanish.

Big Money is probably the largest corruptor of politics.  In short, they all spend money in the hopes of gaining favors at a later date.  And politicians accept it, because they need money to get ellected.  And it is really a problem with both parties, not with one or the other.

Personally, I think that Shakespeare had it right.  “First thing we do, is kill all the lawyers."

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/06/07 at 5:44 pm


Personally, I wish that PACs, Special Interest Groups, and that entire group of filth would just vanish.

Big Money is probably the largest corruptor of politics.  In short, they all spend money in the hopes of gaining favors at a later date.  And politicians accept it, because they need money to get ellected.  And it is really a problem with both parties, not with one or the other.

Personally, I think that Shakespeare had it right.  “First thing we do, is kill all the lawyers."

http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/15/thumbsup.gif

I whole-heartedly agree.  Except, most folks hate lawyers...until they need one.  Sort of like cops.  Perhaps we should change that to
"First thing we do is kill all the lawyers, except mine 'coz he's getting my alimony payments cut in half!"
:P

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 05/08/07 at 7:53 am



Azusa Pacific University


We honor and uphold the following distinctives:


First on the list

The exercise of grace in every situation


uh oh
  ::)

They must not have covered that in class ;)

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/08/07 at 11:02 am


They must not have covered that in class ;)

Hey man, YOU'RE the heathen!
:D

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 05/09/07 at 6:50 am


Hey man, YOU'RE the heathen!
:D
I know......I'm just hard core rotten ;D

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: Tia on 05/09/07 at 8:00 am


I know......I'm just hard core rotten ;D
Maybe she meant it kinda like "bad to the bone," you know, sorta hardcore rotten in that cool, tough, edgy way.

I dunno, I'm tryin'…

Subject: Re: Feelings about Lobbyist's/Lawyer Money

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 05/09/07 at 10:41 am


Maybe she meant it kinda like "bad to the bone," you know, sorta hardcore rotten in that cool, tough, edgy way.

I dunno, I'm tryin'…

Nice try, but no cigar.....that was reserved for Monica ;)

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