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Subject: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 05/29/07 at 11:56 am

I read this article in the paper this morning and almost chocked on my tea.


http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070529/NEWS04/705290326


Thoughts? Comments?



Cat

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: spaceace on 05/29/07 at 1:44 pm

Delusional, dyslexic, possibly Autistic. (At least that what my psychologist has suggested)  He believes everyone agrees with his policies, that's why he's president.  Most of us are against the war, but for the troops.  There is a difference between the two.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: statsqueen on 05/29/07 at 1:48 pm

Only HE could see it that way!   :o

Thanks, Cat...as if we weren't worried enough about him not living in reality, you gotta find proof!   :P  :)

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: statsqueen on 05/29/07 at 1:49 pm


Delusional, dyslexic, possibly Autistic. (At least that what my psychologist has suggested)  He believes everyone agrees with his policies, that's why he's president.  Most of us are against the war, but for the troops.  There is a difference between the two.



Of course he forgets the "minor" fact that he is president because the Supreme Court said so, not the American people.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: thereshegoes on 05/29/07 at 4:17 pm

It's funny,i never heard anyone who is against the war saying "...Get out,you know,it's just not worth it...",he's he talking about his advisers? Cause i bet they're an handfull ::)

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: danootaandme on 05/29/07 at 4:21 pm

The fact is he is an overprivileged twit who has never had to confront the fact that it is actually possible for someone in his caste to be wrong.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: danootaandme on 05/29/07 at 4:25 pm

There is spin

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/Images/try_this/spinning_top.gif

and then there is spin

http://www.billspringer.com/share/tornado/mb-tornado-01.gif

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 05/29/07 at 4:27 pm


There is spin

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/Images/try_this/spinning_top.gif

and then there is spin

http://www.inthe00s.com/www.billspringer.com/share/tornado/mb-tornado-01.gif



Bill O'Reilly should use that for his show.  :D ;D ;D ;D



Cat

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: La Roche on 05/29/07 at 4:41 pm

I guess they didn't teach logic in Connecti.... sorry.. I meant Texas.



Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: Tanya1976 on 05/29/07 at 5:06 pm


I guess they didn't teach logic in Connecti.... sorry.. I meant Texas.






haha!

The American people needs to seriously get their heads out of their asses. This man and his administration could give less of a fudge about us and they are willing to sell us out by the smallest amount.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: Tia on 05/29/07 at 5:38 pm

i've heard this before, i think the way they do it is change how the question's framed. most americans don't support leaving the troops in harm's way without funding or setting a "surrender date" so they probably just find polls where the question's framed that way and focus on those. ::) but i have to admit the administration's stubbornness of late surprises me. i really can't figure out what their game is.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: statsqueen on 05/29/07 at 5:50 pm


i've heard this before, i think the way they do it is change how the question's framed. most americans don't support leaving the troops in harm's way without funding or setting a "surrender date" so they probably just find polls where the question's framed that way and focus on those. ::) but i have to admit the administration's stubbornness of late surprises me. i really can't figure out what their game is.


Exactly.  He just has to have someone sift through all the polls to find one that has a question framed in a way that he likes.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: Ashkicksass on 05/29/07 at 6:17 pm

He probably thinks he can continue to fool people.  It's not like it's hard - look how many many people were stupid enough to re-elect him.  I get the impression that he is speaking to and about those people...trying to keep them in the dark with him.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: SemperYoda on 05/29/07 at 7:10 pm


He probably thinks he can continue to fool people.  It's not like it's hard - look how many many people were stupid enough to re-elect him.  I get the impression that he is speaking to and about those people...trying to keep them in the dark with him.


It doesn't matter what he says.  All most people hear is.  God is Great.  Im with God.  God is Great.  Im with God.  God God God. God Bless America.  God God God.  Durn Terrorists.  God God God. 

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: Ashkicksass on 05/29/07 at 7:19 pm


It doesn't matter what he says.  All most people hear is.  God is Great.  Im with God.  God is Great.  Im with God.  God God God. God Bless America.  God God God.  Durn Terrorists.  God God God. 


Well that, and nucleear.  ;D

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/29/07 at 8:43 pm

Karma +1 for all y'all...'cept for you, Cat, it's the 24 hour clause so you'll have to take yours on credit!
;)


I wish Dubya was delusional.  They've got meds for that.  What is Bush?

"He is a shifty-eyed g*ddamn liar...He's one of the few in the history of this country to run for high office talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and lying out of both sides."

OK, that's what Harry Truman said about Nixon...but Bush is reminding me of a dumbed-down Tricky Dick. 

He's dug himself into a giant hole and he's ordered a bigger shovel.

He is revealing what those of who ARE NOT delusional knew all along:

That he thinks the American people are even dumber than he is, and he doesn't care what we think anyway!
::)

Ten cents of free advice for FOX News (You listening Bernie Goldberg?)
Play this angle:
Increasingly isolated on a war that is going badly, Bush has presented his alternative reality in other ways, too.
Aha! This is an AP story, not an editorial!  See, the media really IS biased!
:D

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: La Roche on 05/29/07 at 9:11 pm


It doesn't matter what he says.  All most people hear is.  God is Great.  Im with God.  God is Great.  Im with God.  God God God. God Bless America.  God God God.  Durn Terrorists.  God God God. 


That's why we should extradite those states from the Union. Can a state be extradited or am I getting my words confused..

I guess I was that child left behind!  ;D

But seriously - I'm all for having America and Jesusland share a border... and nothing else.

They can have their semi-automatic firearms, police state, mandatory worship (Only Christian Protestant Baptist of course) and GDP of  $12.42.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: Foo Bar on 05/29/07 at 11:01 pm


Well that, and nucleear.  ;D


As a guy who's made half a retirement's worth of money off this Administration, I can forgive a lot.  As a drunk, I don't let it stop me from taking a sip during every public address where it shows up.  As an engineer, I still draw the line at a certain figurehead's continuous, coached, and by-design mispronunciation of a word that means 'pertaining to the atomic nucleus'.

Nuff said.

Except for this.  Would whoever supplied the original Subject: line for this discussion, please, would you kindly stop giving him ideas?

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: danootaandme on 05/30/07 at 5:02 am


That's why we should extradite those states from the Union. Can a state be extradited or am I getting my words confused..

I guess I was that child left behind!  ;D

But seriously - I'm all for having America and Jesusland share a border... and nothing else.

They can have their semi-automatic firearms, police state, mandatory worship (Only Christian Protestant Baptist of course) and GDP of  $12.42.


The word you wanted is extricated, but we know what you mean, and agree    ;)

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 05/30/07 at 8:06 am


Well that, and nucleear.  ;D
Wait.....that's how I pronounce nuclear.....I though he said "nu-cu-lar" ???

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: Jeffpcmt on 05/30/07 at 9:29 am

from a email someone sent me....

An interesting perspective from Dr. Paul Minot, a psychiatrist in Waterville, Maine:

George Bush's "irrational" consideration of a "surge" in the wake of the Iraq Study Group report -- which apparently defies all credible counsel - has begun to generate speculation regarding his sanity. References to Bush's "delusions" have appeared in the mainstream media and throughout the blogosphere.

As a psychiatrist, I understandably get concerned when I see clinical terminology bandied about in political discourse, and thought it might be of interest to share a professional perspective on this question. I have a distinct clinical impression that I think explains much of Mr. Bush's visible pathology.

First and foremost, George W. Bush has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. What this means, is that he has rather desperate insecurities about himself, and compensates by constructing a grandiose self-image. Most of his relationships are either mirroring relationships -- people who flatter him and reinforce his grandiosity -- or idealized self-objects -- people that he himself thinks a lot of, and hence feels flattered by his association with them. Some likely perform both functions. Hence his weakness for sycophants like Harriet Miers, and powerful personalities like Dick Cheney. Even as a narcissist, Bush knows he isn't a great intellect, and compensates by dismissing the value of intellect altogether. Hence his disses of Gore's bookishness, and any other intellectual that isn't flattering him. Bush knows that his greatest personal strength is projecting personal affability, and tries to utilize it even in the most inappropriate settings. That's why he gives impromptu backrubs to the German Chancellor in a diplomatic meeting -- he's insecure intellectually, and tries to make everyone into a "buddy" so he can feel more secure.

The most disturbing aspect about narcissists, however, is their pathological inability to empathize with others, with the exception of those who either mirror them, or whom they idealize. Hence Bush's horrifying insensitivity to the Katrina victims, his callous jokes when visiting grievously injured soldiers, and numerous other instances. He simply has no capacity to feel for others in that way. When LBJ was losing Vietnam, he developed a haunted expression that anybody could recognize as indicative of underlying anguish. For all his faults, you just knew he was losing sleep over it. By the same token, we know just as well that Bush isn't losing any sleep over dead American soldiers, to say nothing of dead Iraqis. He didn't exhibit any sign of significant concern until his own political popularity was sliding -- because THAT'S something he CAN feel.

Which brings us to his recent "delusion." To be blunt, I don't see any indication that Bush has any sort of psychotic disorder whatsoever. The lapses in reality-testing that he exhibits are the sort that can be readily explained by his characterological insensitivity to the feelings and perceptions of others, due to his persistently self-centered frame of reference.

Mr. Bush knows that things aren't going his way in Iraq, and he knows that it is damaging him politically. He also sees that it is likely to get worse no matter what he does, and in fact it may be a lost cause. However, he recognizes that if he follows the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, that Iraq will almost certainly evolve into a puppet state of Iran, and given his treatment of Iran he will completely lose control of the situation -- and he will be politically discredited for this outcome.

The ONLY chance that he has to avoid this political disaster, and save his political skin, is to hope against hope for "victory" in Iraq. Advancing the "surge" idea offers Bush two political advantages over following the ISG recommendations. One is that if it is implemented, maybe, just maybe, he can pull out some sort of nominal "victory" out of the situation. The chances are exceedingly slim, granted, but slim is better to him than the alternative (none). Alternately, if the "surge" is politically rejected, he gains some political cover, so when things inevitably go bad, he can say "I told you so" and blame the "surrender monkeys" for the outcome. Most people probably won't buy it, but some (his core base) will.

Now, I know what many of you are thinking -- is George Bush willing to risk the lives of hundreds, maybe thousands more American soldiers, on an outside chance to save his political skin, in a half-baked plan that even he knows probably won't work at all? Yes, he is. Because George Bush is that narcissistic, that desperate, and yes, that sociopathic as well.

Especially interesting about Mr. Bush, but quite common, Narcissistic Personality Disorder is frequently associated with alcoholism. The insufferable "holier than thou" attitude associated with "Dry Drunk Syndrome" is indicative of underlying narcissism.

Also, the way that Bush embraces Christianity is characteristically narcissistic. Rather than incorporating the lessons of humility and empathy modeled by Jesus, Bush uses his Christian faith to reinforce his grandiosity. Jesus is his powerful ally, his idealized "buddy" who gives a rubber stamp to anything he thinks.

Finally -- and this will sound VERY familiar to many readers -- those persons with NPD are notoriously unable to say they're sorry. Admitting error is fundamentally incompatible with their precarious efforts to maintain their sense of order Anyone having this particular character flaw almost certainly has NPD.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: La Roche on 05/30/07 at 10:46 am


The word you wanted is extricated, but we know what you mean, and agree    ;)


Words iz not too good for me.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: SemperYoda on 05/30/07 at 11:57 am


from a email someone sent me....

An interesting perspective from Dr. Paul Minot, a psychiatrist in Waterville, Maine:

George Bush's "irrational" consideration of a "surge" in the wake of the Iraq Study Group report -- which apparently defies all credible counsel - has begun to generate speculation regarding his sanity. References to Bush's "delusions" have appeared in the mainstream media and throughout the blogosphere.

As a psychiatrist, I understandably get concerned when I see clinical terminology bandied about in political discourse, and thought it might be of interest to share a professional perspective on this question. I have a distinct clinical impression that I think explains much of Mr. Bush's visible pathology.

First and foremost, George W. Bush has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. What this means, is that he has rather desperate insecurities about himself, and compensates by constructing a grandiose self-image. Most of his relationships are either mirroring relationships -- people who flatter him and reinforce his grandiosity -- or idealized self-objects -- people that he himself thinks a lot of, and hence feels flattered by his association with them. Some likely perform both functions. Hence his weakness for sycophants like Harriet Miers, and powerful personalities like Dick Cheney. Even as a narcissist, Bush knows he isn't a great intellect, and compensates by dismissing the value of intellect altogether. Hence his disses of Gore's bookishness, and any other intellectual that isn't flattering him. Bush knows that his greatest personal strength is projecting personal affability, and tries to utilize it even in the most inappropriate settings. That's why he gives impromptu backrubs to the German Chancellor in a diplomatic meeting -- he's insecure intellectually, and tries to make everyone into a "buddy" so he can feel more secure.

The most disturbing aspect about narcissists, however, is their pathological inability to empathize with others, with the exception of those who either mirror them, or whom they idealize. Hence Bush's horrifying insensitivity to the Katrina victims, his callous jokes when visiting grievously injured soldiers, and numerous other instances. He simply has no capacity to feel for others in that way. When LBJ was losing Vietnam, he developed a haunted expression that anybody could recognize as indicative of underlying anguish. For all his faults, you just knew he was losing sleep over it. By the same token, we know just as well that Bush isn't losing any sleep over dead American soldiers, to say nothing of dead Iraqis. He didn't exhibit any sign of significant concern until his own political popularity was sliding -- because THAT'S something he CAN feel.

Which brings us to his recent "delusion." To be blunt, I don't see any indication that Bush has any sort of psychotic disorder whatsoever. The lapses in reality-testing that he exhibits are the sort that can be readily explained by his characterological insensitivity to the feelings and perceptions of others, due to his persistently self-centered frame of reference.

Mr. Bush knows that things aren't going his way in Iraq, and he knows that it is damaging him politically. He also sees that it is likely to get worse no matter what he does, and in fact it may be a lost cause. However, he recognizes that if he follows the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, that Iraq will almost certainly evolve into a puppet state of Iran, and given his treatment of Iran he will completely lose control of the situation -- and he will be politically discredited for this outcome.

The ONLY chance that he has to avoid this political disaster, and save his political skin, is to hope against hope for "victory" in Iraq. Advancing the "surge" idea offers Bush two political advantages over following the ISG recommendations. One is that if it is implemented, maybe, just maybe, he can pull out some sort of nominal "victory" out of the situation. The chances are exceedingly slim, granted, but slim is better to him than the alternative (none). Alternately, if the "surge" is politically rejected, he gains some political cover, so when things inevitably go bad, he can say "I told you so" and blame the "surrender monkeys" for the outcome. Most people probably won't buy it, but some (his core base) will.

Now, I know what many of you are thinking -- is George Bush willing to risk the lives of hundreds, maybe thousands more American soldiers, on an outside chance to save his political skin, in a half-baked plan that even he knows probably won't work at all? Yes, he is. Because George Bush is that narcissistic, that desperate, and yes, that sociopathic as well.

Especially interesting about Mr. Bush, but quite common, Narcissistic Personality Disorder is frequently associated with alcoholism. The insufferable "holier than thou" attitude associated with "Dry Drunk Syndrome" is indicative of underlying narcissism.

Also, the way that Bush embraces Christianity is characteristically narcissistic. Rather than incorporating the lessons of humility and empathy modeled by Jesus, Bush uses his Christian faith to reinforce his grandiosity. Jesus is his powerful ally, his idealized "buddy" who gives a rubber stamp to anything he thinks.

Finally -- and this will sound VERY familiar to many readers -- those persons with NPD are notoriously unable to say they're sorry. Admitting error is fundamentally incompatible with their precarious efforts to maintain their sense of order Anyone having this particular character flaw almost certainly has NPD.



Wow, him and Saddam are very much alike then.  Thats probably why he had to be taken out.  Cant have too guys so much alike going at it.  One has to be taken out.  ;D

Scary stuff.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: SemperYoda on 05/30/07 at 5:48 pm

Heres another one:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070530/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq;_ylt=Arfy01_cUqlsilR.Z4Gs3NLMWM0F


Later, Snow said it was impossible to say if U.S. troops would remain in Iraq for some 50 years, as they have in South Korea. "I don't know," he said. "It is an unanswerable question. But I'm not making that suggestion. ... The war on terror is a long war."    ;D  ;D  ;D

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/30/07 at 8:30 pm


Heres another one:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070530/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq;_ylt=Arfy01_cUqlsilR.Z4Gs3NLMWM0F


Later, Snow said it was impossible to say if U.S. troops would remain in Iraq for some 50 years, as they have in South Korea. "I don't know," he said. "It is an unanswerable question. But I'm not making that suggestion. ... The war on terror is a long war."    ;D   ;D   ;D




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1PEyzk4ADU

The Pied Piper of bullsh*t

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: statsqueen on 05/31/07 at 7:46 am

And yet another one.....

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/02/26/new-york-magazine-puts-bush-on-the-couch/

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: 80s_cheerleader on 05/31/07 at 8:51 am


And yet another one.....

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/02/26/new-york-magazine-puts-bush-on-the-couch/
HAHA!  When I first glanced at this link, I thought it said "penis store review" and thought "How appropriate" :D

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/31/07 at 8:59 am


HAHA!  When I first glanced at this link, I thought it said "penis store review" and thought "How appropriate" :D

Being slightly dyslexic myself...uh-huh-huh-huh!
:D

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: philbo on 06/05/07 at 8:08 am


from a email someone sent me....

An interesting perspective from Dr. Paul Minot, a psychiatrist in Waterville, Maine:
...

Kind of interesting that a psychiatrist is that ready to put a diagnosis on someone without a consultation... but it does seem remarkably true to observed behaviour.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: esoxslayer on 06/05/07 at 8:20 am


Kind of interesting that a psychiatrist is that ready to put a diagnosis on someone without a consultation... but it does seem remarkably true to observed behaviour.


Yes..isn't it amazing how many people can form a diagnosis without ever having "sat in the chair" or having a face to face consultation??

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: spaceace on 06/05/07 at 8:42 am


Kind of interesting that a psychiatrist is that ready to put a diagnosis on someone without a consultation... but it does seem remarkably true to observed behaviour.


It happens more than you think.  All though I think there are some behaviors that a psychiatrist can pick out even without a face to face session.

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 06/10/07 at 4:21 pm

Here's another one living in LaLa Land.  ::)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070609/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/rice_bush_4;_ylt=AugDjA2uxdZuReFiq2u73K8E1vAI




Cat

Subject: Re: Bush Can't Be THAT Delusional, Can He?

Written By: Red Ant on 06/10/07 at 10:56 pm


Here's another one living in LaLa Land.   ::)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070609/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/rice_bush_4;_ylt=AugDjA2uxdZuReFiq2u73K8E1vAI

Cat


Wow, that's an, um, different viewpoint. How drunk was Condi when she spouted off with that drivel?

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