Sherri Shepherd Doesn't Get That Whole BC Thing, Insists "Jesus Came First"

I feel dumber every time she says something that most people learned about in school before 6th grade.  Honestly.  Both of my grandmothers completed no more than the 8th grade, and they know far more than this woman does.

I just read about that on AOL this morning. What is going through this woman's brain? ::)

Makes me think she might've come from the same school as Paris Hilton...or lack of school :-\\

After all that crap they gave Debbie Mantinopolous for being a dingbat, you'd think they'd have a higher standard.  (Ok, I know it's only The View, but c'mon...)

I just read about that on AOL this morning. What is going through this woman's brain? ::)


you're very generous to assume she has one

I read this earlier today. I just felt a big, "WTF?" on my brain after reading that. Whoopi should rip her a new one.

I read this earlier today. I just felt a big, "WTF?" on my brain after reading that. Whoopi should rip her a new one.


I can't believe she didn't...or that Joy didn't.  What an idiot! 

If you believe in the Holy Trinity, Shepherd's not altogether wrong: The father, the son, and the holy ghost are one in the same; therefore, if God was the one who switched on the lights, Jesus sorta had to be there too!
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If you believe in the Holy Trinity, Shepherd's not altogether wrong: The father, the son, and the holy ghost are one in the same; therefore, if God was the one who switched on the lights, Jesus sorta had to be there too!
:D


while true, if you see the rest of what she said, she believes the Greeks came shortly afterwards...

  While Greek civilization predates Rome, both did exist at the same time...

  But, yeah...Rome, Greece, Christianity, Jesus, History Channel, Books, Old Stuff, Blah, Blah, Blah...

If Mary Magdalene didn't come first, then Jesus' powers have been sorely overstated...

I watch the View...religiously...  ;D sorry couldn't resist... it is very obvious that Sherri has some assbackwords ideas about how the world works.. she is so blinded by her religion she doesn't accept any alternative thoughts therefore in her mind... God created the earth then he put the dinosaurs, then the Cave man then the Greeks, romans  et al.....  If God hadn't created the planet the Greeks wouldve had nowhere to live... it wasn't in the clip but Whoopi also talked about the greek worshipping many gods...That would've been interesting cuz Sherri looked like she had something to say aobut that but Whoopi threw it to commercial.

I don't know if you guys watch it but Whoopi, most days, looks like she would love to throttle Sherri. Other days you can see Whoop biting her tongue and shaking her head because not only is Sherri (um Not smart) she also makes a lot of contradicting statements from day to day and Whoopi catches her in most of them.

I watch the View...religiously...  ;D sorry couldn't resist... it is very obvious that Sherri has some assbackwords ideas about how the world works.. she is so blinded by her religion she doesn't accept any alternative thoughts therefore in her mind... God created the earth then he put the dinosaurs, then the Cave man then the Greeks, romans  et al..... 



   I don't watch the show but do you think Sherri's really blinded by her faith or she just simply doesn't know.  I mean just unaware of the timelines of some of the world's great civilizations.  Much of that would be apparent to someone who reads the bible...

  Oh, and that "religiously" crack...someone get me my rubber chicken..! ;D :P

  I don't watch the show but do you think Sherri's really blinded by her faith or she just simply doesn't know.  I mean just unaware of the timelines of some of the world's great civilizations.  Much of that would be apparent to someone who reads the bible...

  Oh, and that "religiously" crack...someone get me my rubber chicken..! ;D :P


I think its a little of both but mostly I think its faith... I really do think Sherri thinks there was nothing here until God started the world... that means no Greeks without christians... if you wanna call adam and eve christians....

Jesus came first, Creationism is an absolute science and the world is flat.  She is not the first person to think in that manner and probably not the last.  The view is a pretty liberal (gads, I hate using that word) show.  So it stands out a bit more.  For Fox News and CBN her views are the mainstream.

Jesus came first, Creationism is an absolute science and the world is flat.  She is not the first person to think in that manner and probably not the last.  The view is a pretty liberal (gads, I hate using that word) show.  So it stands out a bit more.  For Fox News and CBN her views are the mainstream.

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If Mary Magdalene didn't come first, then Jesus' powers have been sorely overstated...

There had to be someone lowering the tone ;)

The view is a pretty liberal (gads, I hate using that word) show. 





Why?  I am a liberal and say it with pride.  I do not allow the shock jocks or neo-cons to make me ashamed of my liberalism with their rhetoric.  It is time to come out of the closet and admit to the truth.  SAY IT LOUD, I AM LIBERAL AND PROUD

Why?  I am a liberal and say it with pride.  I do not allow the shock jocks or neo-cons to make me ashamed of my liberalism with their rhetoric.  It is time to come out of the closet and admit to the truth.  SAY IT LOUD, I AM LIBERAL AND PROUD
hell, what gets me is how conservatives can find the audacity to show their faces in public after what's gone on the last few years.

hell, what gets me is how conservatives can find the audacity to show their faces in public after what's gone on the last few years.



YES and Yesyesyes!!!.  It drives me nuts when they spit out the word liberal, and worse when people who are liberal feel the need apologize, or distance themselves, from the term.  There isn't anything to apologize for.

YES and Yesyesyes!!!.  It drives me nuts when they spit out the word liberal, and worse when people who are liberal feel the need apologize, or distance themselves, from the term.  There isn't anything to apologize for.

Agreed - IMO a lot of the problem is that the more rabid right-wingers seem to have the most ridiculously inaccurate preconceptions of what a "liberal" is and believes, then try to claim some kind of victory based on misrepresenting the liberal position - the Linda Terhunes of this world seem completely unable to see how completely wrong they are about liberal attitudes, beliefs and the like.

She apparently was talking smack about transgendered children yesterday or something. I caught a blurb of it on a tabloid site. It was pretty lame. ::)

She apparently was talking smack about transgendered children yesterday or something. I caught a blurb of it on a tabloid site. It was pretty lame. ::)


I don't care what sex a chicken is as long as I can eat it.  Mmmm, wings.

hell, what gets me is how conservatives can find the audacity to show their faces in public after what's gone on the last few years.


I dare say that many conservatives are embarrassed and dismayed at what has gone on the past few years, partly due to the fact that they no longer believe the "conservatives" in power are reflecting their ideals.

I don't care what sex a chicken is as long as I can eat it.  Mmmm, wings.
kentucky fried children?

googling "kentucky fried children" actually turns up a lot more results than you'd think.

She apparently was talking smack about transgendered children yesterday or something. I caught a blurb of it on a tabloid site. It was pretty lame. ::)


I watched The View yesterday. The guest co-host was talking about the preschool her 2 little girls go to. There is a boy that likes put on  dresses from the dress up corner. She wondered if the teacher should say something to the parent about it.  Barbara Walters starts babbling on about transgendered children and that it starts out that early. Sheri, who has a boy said she would not let her son dress up in girls clothes. I have to agree with Sheri on that one even though I don't have a son.

As far as what religion Sheri is, I think she said about a week ago that she is a Jehovah's Witness. Maybe that has something to do with her beliefs.

I dare say that many conservatives are embarrassed and dismayed at what has gone on the past few years, partly due to the fact that they no longer believe the "conservatives" in power are reflecting their ideals.
i do wonder about that, i hear a lot of people who self-identify as conservatives who express dismay that the bush admin has strayed from the conservative path, but as someone who's not a big fan of conservative ideology by and large (yall might have noticed that about me), i'm tempted to see it more as conservative ideology applied with unintended consequences. bush and his pals have a fair amount of fealty to conservative ideology, i just dont think it works the way it's supposed to. for instance, you hear grover norquist saying he'd like to drown government in a bathtub -- well, what seemed to happen when small government conservatives got into power is that, rather than downsizing government, they use government appointments to reward their compatriots and contributors. figuring, presumably, that since government really serves no useful administrative purpose they might as well put it to use shoring up their political position. of course, then you wind up with things like 23-year-old new college grads being put in charge of rebuilding iraq's infrastructure and things like that.

ditto new orleans. since the conservative philosophy seemed to be that local entities and private companies, not the federal government, should step in in emergencies they sat on their hands during katrina. but the localities were overwhelmed and the private firms were indifferent and so it was a fiasco.

just my 2 cents. which, with the exchange rate, has depreciated in value rather sadly.

Sherri should stick to sitcoms ... that way writers pen what she says

I watched The View yesterday. The guest co-host was talking about the preschool her 2 little girls go to. There is a boy that likes put on  dresses from the dress up corner. She wondered if the teacher should say something to the parent about it.  Barbara Walters starts babbling on about transgendered children and that it starts out that early. Sheri, who has a boy said she would not let her son dress up in girls clothes. I have to agree with Sheri on that one even though I don't have a son.

As far as what religion Sheri is, I think she said about a week ago that she is a Jehovah's Witness. Maybe that has something to do with her beliefs.


On other shows Sherri's said she used to be Jehoviah's Witness but since she contradicts herself alot she could still be.... did you see her backpeddle when Barbara asked her what she would do if her son were gay... Sherri worked in LA prior to this which means (whether she believes in it or not) she's has some gay friends... she said she would love and accept her son as long as he didn't do certain things under her roof... I don't think she would be as accepting tho if her son turned out to be transgender... she seemed pretty set about it being wrong for a boy to wear girls clothes.... Personally I think they hired her to give Elisabeth, the other conservative on the panel, company but the more she opens her mouth the dumber she looks!

hell, what gets me is how conservatives can find the audacity to show their faces in public after what's gone on the last few years.




YES and Yesyesyes!!!.  It drives me nuts when they spit out the word liberal, and worse when people who are liberal feel the need apologize, or distance themselves, from the term.  There isn't anything to apologize for.

What drives me nuts is the so-called "conservatives" have the audacity to call themselves "conservative" and nobody calls them on it.  They're not "conservative" about anything.  You know, as in the root word, to "conserve."  I see a bunch of social reactionaries, corporate fascists, and religious cranks, but few true conservatives.  I guess Ron Paul is one. 

The only reason I hesitate to use the word "liberal" to describe myself is the poor li'l sheep out there have Limbaugh and O'Reilly defining "liberal" for them; thus, they don't know what the word means.  I'm a liberal because I welcome new ways of doing things as opposed to assuming the tradition is always right.  However, sometimes the tradition is right and the new way is wrong, which some self-described liberals refuse to admit.  I find this most il-liberal.  I'm not a liberal because of lifestyle choices.  That's superficial.  Furthermore, one should never confuse liberal with libertine, which is what the Right does.

"While it is true that not all conservatives are stupid, it is also true that most stupid people are conservative."
--John Stuart Mill (1806--1873)


Sherri should stick to sitcoms ... that way writers pen what she says

Where is Sherri's union card?
:D


figuring, presumably, that since government really serves no useful administrative purpose they might as well put it to use shoring up their political position. of course, then you wind up with things like 23-year-old new college grads being put in charge of rebuilding iraq's infrastructure and things like that.


It was even worse, some of them weren't even college grads, they were college Republicans who posted their resumes on the American Enterprise Institute website.  Last summer he drove an ice cream truck, this summer he's in charge of the Iraqi stock exchange!  Fact is, if you get in good with the right-wingers on campus, you'll go all kinds of places foreign and domestic!
:D
I see a screenplay here--"Weekend at Bernie Kerik's."  Howabout "Iraqi Pie," two nerdy interns in the Green Zone trying to get laid!  "Dude, she's a total M.I.L.F., you know, Muslim I'd Like to ****"!
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This is a bit off-topic, but I really have to ask...  Why are so many black people fervently Christian?  I understand why white people are, since there is a long history of Christianity in Europe, but when it comes to blacks in America, most of their exposure to Christianity can be traced back to slavery.

Personally, if I were black, I'd probably be more atheist than I currently am.  It just feels like black people here have fully embraced a religion that was brought to them through oppression, just like Catholicism was embraced by the natives of South America who were oppressed by the conquistadors.

Of course, Islam's expansion can be seen in much of the same way with the various wars they used to spread their religion.  I've never been a fan of religion in general, but I would be especially uninterested in following a faith spread by people who oppressed my ancestors.

So, you'll have to excuse me, but I find Sherri's dogmatic faith rather humorous.  I guess her reactions are representative of what happens when someone is kept thoroughly ignorant.

Back on topic....

Sherri Shepherd is, unfortunately, representative of the understanding of history a great many Gen-X-ers have.  It's not their fault, really.  If their school doesn't tell them and their parents don't tell them, they're not going to know.  Furthermore, they're not going to know they don't know.  

There's a period from about 3 to 7 years old in which children become curious about the world around them.  If the curiosity is not stimulated at that time, an incurious personality develops.  

I know the born-agains object to "the Bible as history," but what stuns me is how they manage to teach the Bible without history.  I don't see how this is possible.  If you think Jesus came "first," then how do you know about Moses and Abraham?  That is, knowing the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament is a prerequisite for understanding who Jesus was. Isn't that one of the first things they teach you in Sunday school?  
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Back on topic....

Sherri Shepherd is, unfortunately, representative of the understanding of history a great many Gen-X-ers have.  It's not their fault, really.  If their school doesn't tell them and their parents don't tell them, they're not going to know.  Furthermore, they're not going to know they don't know.  

There's a period from about 3 to 7 years old in which children become curious about the world around them.  If the curiosity is not stimulated at that time, an incurious personality develops.  

I know the born-agains object to "the Bible as history," but what stuns me is how they manage to teach the Bible without history.  I don't see how this is possible.  If you think Jesus came "first," then how do you know about Moses and Abraham?  That is, knowing the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament is a prerequisite for understanding who Jesus was. Isn't that one of the first things they teach you in Sunday school?  
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I've never cared for the phrase Generation X.  I've never really cared for the Baby Boomer classification either.  They're both too broad.  What does someone born in 1946 have in common with someone born in 1964?  Not much...  By the same token, what does someone born in 1967 have in common with someone born in 1979?  Again, not much...

I don't think this is a generational thing really.  I'm considered Generation X just like Sherri is, but our backgrounds have nothing really in common.

As for the religion without history thing...  Well, they say the more you know, the less you believe....

This is a bit off-topic, but I really have to ask...  Why are so many black people fervently Christian? 
Of course, in the 1960s there was a radical movement that promoted blacks going back to the African roots in culture and custom.  A few went so far as to try and reintroduce West African spiritual beliefs, but it never took hold.  Far more blacks converted to Islam, which once again is an Abrahamic religion.  However, most African-Americans are ferently Christian because, well, quite simply, Christianity is their religion after 400 years of practice.   Blacks faced incredible adversity and a Christian faith in the afterlife brought them much needed solace.  The white power structure forbade blacks anything more than a Sunday school education for hundreds of years; thus, Biblical verse, hymn, parable, and story were the major means of cultural communication and set basic understandings for their world view.  

Unlike Christianity, Islam was not forced upon African-Americans by the white man.  Hence, Islam became the force behind a new black identity in the 20th century.  However, most African-Americans did not share the Black Muslim point of view that Christianity was the white man's religion.  Once a belief system is in your culture for twelve generations, it really is your own identity.  I find African-Americans to be relatively conservative this way.  Besides, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus were not "white" men.  

Blacks celebrate Christmas, not Kwanzaa.  Kwanzaa seems to be important to multiculturalist movement, which is dominated by white liberals, but not much to mainstream African-Americans.

Of course, in the 1960s there was a radical movement that promoted blacks going back to the African roots in culture and custom.  A few went so far as to try and reintroduce West African spiritual beliefs, but it never took hold.  Far more blacks converted to Islam, which once again is an Abrahamic religion.  However, most African-Americans are ferently Christian because, well, quite simply, Christianity is their religion after 400 years of practice.   Blacks faced incredible adversity and a Christian faith in the afterlife brought them much needed solace.  The white power structure forbade blacks anything more than a Sunday school education for hundreds of years; thus, Biblical verse, hymn, parable, and story were the major means of cultural communication and set basic understandings for their world view.  

Unlike Christianity, Islam was not forced upon African-Americans by the white man.  Hence, Islam became the force behind a new black identity in the 20th century.  However, most African-Americans did not share the Black Muslim point of view that Christianity was the white man's religion.  Once a belief system is in your culture for twelve generations, it really is your own identity.  I find African-Americans to be relatively conservative this way.  Besides, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus were not "white" men.  

Blacks celebrate Christmas, not Kwanzaa.  Kwanzaa seems to be important to multiculturalist movement, which is dominated by white liberals, but not much to mainstream African-Americans.


True...  I guess you could even go so far as to say that Northern Europeans and whites here practice a religion that was forced upon their people a really long time ago by mostly the Holy Roman Empire....

I just think that history makes it painfully apparent that there really is no deity watching over us....  at least, no benevolent one for that matter....

Why?  I am a liberal and say it with pride.  I do not allow the shock jocks or neo-cons to make me ashamed of my liberalism with their rhetoric.  It is time to come out of the closet and admit to the truth.  SAY IT LOUD, I AM LIBERAL AND PROUD


Gosh darn it I am LIBERAL too!!!  Hey, I do feel better. :)

This is a bit off-topic, but I really have to ask...  Why are so many black people fervently Christian?  I understand why white people are, since there is a long history of Christianity in Europe, but when it comes to blacks in America, most of their exposure to Christianity can be traced back to slavery.

Personally, if I were black, I'd probably be more atheist than I currently am.  It just feels like black people here have fully embraced a religion that was brought to them through oppression, just like Catholicism was embraced by the natives of South America who were oppressed by the conquistadors.

Of course, Islam's expansion can be seen in much of the same way with the various wars they used to spread their religion.  I've never been a fan of religion in general, but I would be especially uninterested in following a faith spread by people who oppressed my ancestors.

So, you'll have to excuse me, but I find Sherri's dogmatic faith rather humorous.  I guess her reactions are representative of what happens when someone is kept thoroughly ignorant.



Well Mac.... as a black person who is agnostic.  I can't speak for all blacks because their experience is not mine but I suppose, and it's something I wonder as well, that if you trace their history of religious exposure back to slavery then perhaps the thought of heaven and a better life in the here-after had to be an appealing thought especially while picking cotton etc.  Perhaps they thought God had a better plan for them.  We all need something to hold on to in times of adversity. 

However, in many ways, the services brought them together... and if you look at black baptists versus white- they worship differently so perhaps in making the religion "their own" they were able to embrace it easier.  I think, in someways, again this is my opinion that blacks are more vocal about their faith... that's why there is the perception that the majority of blacks are religious. I think its a large portion of the population but I don't think the numbers are any more skewed than Whites. 

I've been to services at a black church...its more like theater to me than religion. I did 4 years in catholic school too & those services were more like an aerobic workout.  I didn't get much out of either one.  The black church was about a 3 hr service and the mass was 50 minutes.  Either way both were too long.

I accept that people have faith I just wish they kept it to themselves...  ;)

I watched The View yesterday. The guest co-host was talking about the preschool her 2 little girls go to. There is a boy that likes put on  dresses from the dress up corner. She wondered if the teacher should say something to the parent about it.  Barbara Walters starts babbling on about transgendered children and that it starts out that early. Sheri, who has a boy said she would not let her son dress up in girls clothes. I have to agree with Sheri on that one even though I don't have a son.

As far as what religion Sheri is, I think she said about a week ago that she is a Jehovah's Witness. Maybe that has something to do with her beliefs.


Please, if they're just playing what does it matter if they dress up? Now if the kid insisted on wearing dresses to Wal-mart then I'd say there might be a problem.

My son has been made-up, has had his nails painted...you name it, his sister has done it to him. 

Well Mac.... as a black person who is agnostic.  I can't speak for all blacks because their experience is not mine but I suppose, and it's something I wonder as well, that if you trace their history of religious exposure back to slavery then perhaps the thought of heaven and a better life in the here-after had to be an appealing thought especially while picking cotton etc.  Perhaps they thought God had a better plan for them.  We all need something to hold on to in times of adversity. 

However, in many ways, the services brought them together... and if you look at black baptists versus white- they worship differently so perhaps in making the religion "their own" they were able to embrace it easier.  I think, in someways, again this is my opinion that blacks are more vocal about their faith... that's why there is the perception that the majority of blacks are religious. I think its a large portion of the population but I don't think the numbers are any more skewed than Whites. 

I've been to services at a black church...its more like theater to me than religion. I did 4 years in catholic school too & those services were more like an aerobic workout.  I didn't get much out of either one.  The black church was about a 3 hr service and the mass was 50 minutes.  Either way both were too long.

I accept that people have faith I just wish they kept it to themselves...  ;)



Good post...  and that helps make a lot of sense out of things, just like Maxwell's.  Even I'll admit that religion can be a good thing.  If people actually did follow Christ's example on a massive scale, the world would be a much better place.  I was raised Methodist, so I became very familiar with Christian principles early on.  Yet, I also determined very quickly that I didn't believe in the supernatural aspects of it.  I related more to the morals.

It just saddens me to see how, no matter what the religion, people somehow find a way to twist tolerance into a message of hate and fear.

Christ may have supposedly died for our sins, but it would appear that Satan got the last laugh, seeing as how so much of the world's ills have been done in God's name (and Christ's for that matter).

Good post...  and that helps make a lot of sense out of things, just like Maxwell's.  Even I'll admit that religion can be a good thing.  If people actually did follow Christ's example on a massive scale, the world would be a much better place.  I was raised Methodist, so I became very familiar with Christian principles early on.  Yet, I also determined very quickly that I didn't believe in the supernatural aspects of it.  I related more to the morals.

It just saddens me to see how, no matter what the religion, people somehow find a way to twist tolerance into a message of hate and fear.

Christ may have supposedly died for our sins, but it would appear that Satan got the last laugh, seeing as how so much of the world's ills have been done in God's name (and Christ's for that matter).




Yeah the hypocrisy of it all is why I got turned off.  I learned two things in high school... Homosexuality was a sin... my favorite aunt is a lesbian and judging her for who loved never sat right with me... the other thing I learned ( and I could be wrong about this but its how I interpreted it)  Suicide is a sin so kill yourself go to hell, murder someone you can still be forgiven for your sins... how is suicide worse than murder?


my perception of religion is love all people. You know do no harm lest ye be harmed. but with the same breath they can hate (truly hate) a person because of Abortion or Sexuality... how is that acceptance?


I figure I will live my life the way I want to live and answer to no one but me (and the law).... and then when I die if I find out I was wrong about God  then I will say Oh sheesh! and face the consequences... however, if I'm right about the concept of God being about love and acceptance then if I die and go to heaven then the God I never believed in will shrug and say come on in anyway!  ;)

Yeah the hypocrisy of it all is why I got turned off.  I learned two things in high school... Homosexuality was a sin... my favorite aunt is a lesbian and judging her for who loved never sat right with me... the other thing I learned ( and I could be wrong about this but its how I interpreted it)  Suicide is a sin so kill yourself go to hell, murder someone you can still be forgiven for your sins... how is suicide worse than murder?
I guess if you kill another person, you can spend the rest of your life repenting and get right with God.  If you kill yourself....I suppose that's what Purgatory is for, but that's a bunch of papist flapdoodle.  As for the anti-gay stuff, you're supposed to hate the sin and love the sinner.  I notice those who say so don't love the sinner, and seem to be grateful for the sin because if they couldn't judge others for their sins, what would they do with their lives?  Thus, they will say, "I'm sure your aunt is a lovely person, but if she doesn't give up her wicked ways and get herself a man, she's gonna burn in hell."  Sweet. 


my perception of religion is love all people. You know do no harm lest ye be harmed. but with the same breath they can hate (truly hate) a person because of Abortion or Sexuality... how is that acceptance?
It's not.  Period.  Critics of the religious right often say, "Why can't you leave the judging to God?"  That's where the evangelicals come in.  The evangelical doctrine obliges its adherents to evangelize; to seek out the sinners, the unsaved and bring them to Christ, the one true Lord and Saviour.  The Catholics do a similar number, but it stays within the church.  Never mind what anybody else does, you just better pray for your own filthy soul. 

The modern Christian fundamentalist movement markets itself very well.  All you have to do is accept Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour, and then you're saved and going to heaven for eternity.  Yay!  Good works and personal sacrifice in this life?  More papist flapdoodle.  As one televangelist remarked, "God made the diamonds for His people!"  This is not what old Martin Luther had in mind.  Furthermore, John Calvin believed you could not know whether you were saved or damned, but if you are certain you are saved, it's a good sign your probably damned.  Times change. 

I guess if you kill another person, you can spend the rest of your life repenting and get right with God.  If you kill yourself....I suppose that's what Purgatory is for, but that's a bunch of papist flapdoodle.  As for the anti-gay stuff, you're supposed to hate the sin and love the sinner.  I notice those who say so don't love the sinner, and seem to be grateful for the sin because if they couldn't judge others for their sins, what would they do with their lives?  Thus, they will say, "I'm sure your aunt is a lovely person, but if she doesn't give up her wicked ways and get herself a man, she's gonna burn in hell."  Sweet. 

It's not.  Period.  Critics of the religious right often say, "Why can't you leave the judging to God?"  That's where the evangelicals come in.  The evangelical doctrine obliges its adherents to evangelize; to seek out the sinners, the unsaved and bring them to Christ, the one true Lord and Saviour.  The Catholics do a similar number, but it stays within the church.  Never mind what anybody else does, you just better pray for your own filthy soul. 

The modern Christian fundamentalist movement markets itself very well.  All you have to do is accept Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour, and then you're saved and going to heaven for eternity.  Yay!  Good works and personal sacrifice in this life?  More papist flapdoodle.  As one televangelist remarked, "God made the diamonds for His people!"  This is not what old Martin Luther had in mind.  Furthermore, John Calvin believed you could not know whether you were saved or damned, but if you are certain you are saved, it's a good sign your probably damned.  Times change. 











hate the sin love the sinner....hmm I'm sure its a fine concept for some but really if you love the sinner then shouldn't you love them completely....supposed "flaws" and all?

bet if we dug into some of their closets we'd find some interesting stuff. hmmm all this ranting might be deflection...methinks  :-\\