Okay, George W. Bush isn't on here because 1/2 of America don't even know all of our Presidents faults. Not Tippercanoe (William Harrison), Not the Whig Party which may be the worst Party Ever, nor how Madison fought a war without a Strong Military which ended up in a draw.

You can say Dubya, but he got a hand-me-down cabinet. Tell me more than one cabinet leader that wasn't in Bush Sr's cabinet that's in Dubya's!

Grant, he's well known for his graft and corruption.  All though he wasn't corrupt, everyone who worked for him was.

Grant, he's well known for his graft and corruption.  All though he wasn't corrupt, everyone who worked for him was.


Seems fimiliar dosen't it. (Hint, hint.)

Seems fimiliar dosen't it. (Hint, hint.)


Yeah, some people just should never have staff.  Cheney's got a bit of that corruption thing going. :-X

  Woodrow Wilson...

  Woodrow Wilson dragged us into WWI for no good reason.  His bad reasons are murky to me, but it had a lot to do with enriching industrialists who could skim a lot of profits off of a wartime economy.  To some people, the shameful Lusitania debacle, with the deliberate sacrifice of American civilians who did not even know they were at risk for a nefarious purpose, is an eerie harbinger of 9/11...

  But Wilson's blunders did not end with his death.  His conduct of WWI and his contribution to the tone of the Treaty of Versailles were immense factors in the chain of events that led to America's participation in WWII...

  Woodrow Wilson was one of the chief architects of two World Wars and the white-knuckled half century of nuclear chicken racing that followed...

  That's what he should be remembered for...

   Woodrow Wilson...

   Woodrow Wilson dragged us into WWI for no good reason.  His bad reasons are murky to me, but it had a lot to do with enriching industrialists who could skim a lot of profits off of a wartime economy.  To some people, the shameful Lusitania debacle, with the deliberate sacrifice of American civilians who did not even know they were at risk for a nefarious purpose, is an eerie harbinger of 9/11...

   But Wilson's blunders did not end with his death.  His conduct of WWI and his contribution to the tone of the Treaty of Versailles were immense factors in the chain of events that led to America's participation in WWII...

   Woodrow Wilson was one of the chief architects of two World Wars and the white-knuckled half century of nuclear chicken racing that followed...

   That's what he should be remembered for...

Plus he was a major race bigot, I mean even more so than most people back then.  A total sonofabitch.

If I could go back in time and give Nixon some Prozac and haul all those creepy-crawlies like Haldeman, Kissinger, Liddy, and Hunt to the dump, Tricky Dick would have a much better legacy than the one he's got.  Alas, not to be!
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Of course it is Dubya without a doubt.


I have always admired John Adams. I think the guy was amazing. He did so much in the creation of this nation and had a beautiful love affair with his wife. However his presidency was not exactly what you would call great. He had to deal with something that no other president had to-his V.P. was of a different party. (It was because of this that we now have "running mates". ) He also made the mistake of keeping Washington's cabinet-of which many disagreed/disliked him-namely Alexander Hamilton. The BIGGEST blunder of his presidency was the Alien & Sedition Act which made it illegal to say anything negative about the president. But he did that because he was being attacked from within (his V.P. & cabinet).  I don't know if any other president had to deal with that.



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Andrew Johnson was pretty bad.  Most of our worst presidents were in office in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

Granted, Bush is probably the worst we've had in a few decades.

A lot of the late 1800s presidents didn't do much, but I think that what Reagan did was much worse than nothing at all.

A lot of the late 1800s presidents didn't do much, but I think that what Reagan did was much worse than nothing at all.

Karma +1

A lot of the late 1800s presidents didn't do much, but I think that what Reagan did was much worse than nothing at all.


You've heard of General Ulysses Grant have you? They called him 'useless'.

I'm in for Woodrow.  I consider him pure evil, and that outweighs incompetence on any scale.

You've heard of General Ulysses Grant have you? They called him 'useless'.

His father's nickname for him was "Useless."  This might explain something about his future: Low self-esteem plus the need to disprove his dad equals a high-achieving alcoholic. 

That's my ten-cent analysis. 

I'm in for Woodrow.  I consider him pure evil, and that outweighs incompetence on any scale.


To congress 4/02/17:

"The world must be made safe for democracy. Its peace must be planted upon the tested foundations of political liberty."
--Woodrow Wilson

A president who mentions democracy, peace, and liberty in 20 words while sticking his fingers into everybody else's pie, beating the drums of empire, and plunging us into a bloody mess abroad.  Sounds familiar.

I'm pretty sure I've heard Dubya say, "The world must be made safe for democracy."

To congress 4/02/17:

"The world must be made safe for democracy. Its peace must be planted upon the tested foundations of political liberty."
--Woodrow Wilson




Knowing how I am about racial politics, I am sure you will not mind if I add.

Woodrow Wilson's History of the American People,: "The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation ... until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country."

As president he re-segregated the federal government for the first time since Reconstruction.

Knowing how I am about racial politics, I am sure you will not mind if I add.

Woodrow Wilson's History of the American People,: "The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation ... until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country."

As president he re-segregated the federal government for the first time since Reconstruction.


Not to mention start the Income Tax and have the railroads be Government-owned. (The only time when the U.S. was really close to being Fascist.)

Not to mention start the Income Tax and have the railroads be Government-owned. (The only time when the U.S. was really close to being Fascist.)

Picked up a newspaper lately?  We're right back there in 1913.  This is what the Right has fought for ever since that class traitor FDR.  They want to put Ronald Reagan on the dime; they want to erase Roosevelt from the public consciousness.  Public consciousness?  Sounds like a good idea!

The railroads were privately owned and taxpayer subsidized just like the petroleum companies are today.  Socialize the costs, privatize the profits.  That's fascism.

I'm all for tax reform, including dissolving the IRS, but not until we get the government out of the hands of the billionaires and into the hands of the proletariat.  Until then, tax reform will only mean the rich get richer and the hard-working man and woman get screwed to the wall!
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Knowing how I am about racial politics, I am sure you will not mind if I add.

Woodrow Wilson's History of the American People,: "The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation ... until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country."

As president he re-segregated the federal government for the first time since Reconstruction.


Reconstruction was the cause of the KKK.  The Radical Republicans used blacks in the South as targets by putting them into political offices by force.  White Southerners were already angry with their plight after the war, and the blacks became scapegoats while the Northern Industrialists carpetbagged the hell out of the South.

As you can easily see, the Civil War and the decades immediately following it were some of the most shameful times our country has gone through.  I personally wish the British had come in and kicked our asses back then, because neither the North nor South were the "good guys" in that fight.

EDIT: for accuracy...

For what it's worth, the KKK began as an organization that had nothing to do with racial hatred.  It was only after the Civil War that they became a hate group.






  The organization began after the Civil War, 1866, not before, and there was always a racial component, the subjugation of the freed slave population was always a major concern. 

   The organization began after the Civil War, 1866, not before, and there was always a racial component, the subjugation of the freed slave population was always a major concern. 


I think Mac's doing satire....I think...I, hope....
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   The organization began after the Civil War, 1866, not before, and there was always a racial component, the subjugation of the freed slave population was always a major concern. 


I screwed that up.  I think I got confused with another organization that was around the same time.  I'm gonna have to go back and research that era again.  Still, I was right about the creation of the KKK.  It was entirely a reaction against Reconstruction.  Unfortunately, blacks were the collateral.  The true enemies of the South were not black people but the carpetbaggers.  Unfortunately, that obviously didn't stop people from killing blacks because of their new rights.

My apologies, Danoota.

I screwed that up.  I think I got confused with another organization that was around the same time.  I'm gonna have to go back and research that era again.  Still, I was right about the creation of the KKK.  It was entirely a reaction against Reconstruction.  Unfortunately, blacks were the collateral.  The true enemies of the South were not black people but the carpetbaggers.  Unfortunately, that obviously didn't stop people from killing blacks because of their new rights.

My apologies, Danoota.


No apology necessary.  But I don't think that the freed slaves were collateral, they were very much a part of the reason for the KKK.  They hated the freedom that was given, and they hated Grant who was able to cut them off at the throat.  Say what you will about Grant, he was very much interested in gaining equity for the freed slaves, and very much against the KKK.

No apology necessary.  But I don't think that the freed slaves were collateral, they were very much a part of the reason for the KKK.  They hated the freedom that was given, and they hated Grant who was able to cut them off at the throat.  Say what you will about Grant, he was very much interested in gaining equity for the freed slaves, and very much against the KKK.


Grant was a "closeted" Abolitionist.  His wife Julia Dent owned two slaves, which was a grave concern for Grant's father who was a hardcore Abolitionist.  It was U.S. Grant who freed Julia's slaves.

OOPS sorry history tangent, my bad. :-[

Grant was a "closeted" Abolitionist.  His wife Julia Dent owned two slaves, which was a grave concern for Grant's father who was a hardcore Abolitionist.  It was U.S. Grant who freed Julia's slaves.

OOPS sorry history tangent, my bad. :-[


You know that is ok with me.  ;) Actually, Grant wasn't in the closet about abolition.  His father in law gave him a slave as a wedding gift and he freed him.  He could have sold him, or made him buy his freedom, but didn't think that right.  Julia kept her slaves, but Grant made her pay them.

You know that is ok with me.  ;) Actually, Grant wasn't in the closet about abolition.  His father in law gave him a slave as a wedding gift and he freed him.  He could have sold him, or made him buy his freedom, but didn't think that right.  Julia kept her slaves, but Grant made her pay them.


Grant was quite the one to promote capitalism. :)

No apology necessary.  But I don't think that the freed slaves were collateral, they were very much a part of the reason for the KKK.  They hated the freedom that was given, and they hated Grant who was able to cut them off at the throat.  Say what you will about Grant, he was very much interested in gaining equity for the freed slaves, and very much against the KKK.


Grant may have been morally sound in his assessment of racial equality, but he was a terrible president.  He is consistently regarded as one of the worst leaders we've had in the Oval Office.

He's kind of like Jimmy Carter in that respect.  Carter is a good person known for his philanthropy, but he was a crappy president.

I screwed that up.  I think I got confused with another organization that was around the same time. 

You mean that other organization cloacked in bedsheets with leaders called cyclopses, wizards, and dragons?
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Grant may have been morally sound in his assessment of racial equality, but he was a terrible president.  He is consistently regarded as one of the worst leaders we've had in the Oval Office.



I don't dispute that.  He was a great general, but misguided when it came to thinking he could run the country.

You mean that other organization cloacked in bedsheets with leaders called cyclopses, wizards, and dragons?
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What I mean is, there have been multiple organizations with a nativist/racist message that have existed throughout our history, and not all of them were that way from the beginning.