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Subject: Censored 11 and other banned cartoons from the golden age...your thoughts
Written By: woops on 04/28/08 at 9:21 pm
This would fit more on the politics/religion section than the 'before the 1970's' since it's considered offensive
Also my first thread for in a while (ie "Song of the South", banned Bugs Bunny).
Warning: the links may contain images that may be considered offensive. Sorry that I sounded like Leonard Maltin from the Disney Treasures DVD, but it's a reminder.
Cartoon Brew entry from animation historian Jerry Beck
An article in todayâs NY Times on the shocking proliferation of racist cartoons on You Tube has had an (unintended?) effect in further spreading the awareness of said cartoons. Gawker has just posted a link to it, adding to it an (awful quality) embed of Clampettâs Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs.
The Times article is somewhat sympathetic to the idea that these cartoons should be released legally. In the last paragraph, Michael Barrier, is quoted saying the cartoons should be âpresented in an informed way for an intelligent, adult audience.â Barrier also said the Censored 11âs appearance on YouTube âshows that there is a demand, so the logical step would be to release them in a way that is profitable for you as a copyright holder.â
New York Times article
Cartoons of a Racist Past Lurk on YouTube
By DANIEL E. SLOTNIK
Published: April 28, 2008
Among the millions of clips on the video-sharing Web site YouTube are 11 racially offensive Warner Brothers cartoons that have not been shown in an authorized release since 1968.
Despite efforts to suppress them, racist cartoons from the 1940s have been circulating on the Web. Above, Bugs Bunny outwits a rabbit hunter.
Some of the cartoons were removed on April 16. A message saying the cartoons were no longer available because of a copyright claim by Warner appeared in their place. By evening the messages disappeared, and some of the cartoons were back. Representatives for YouTube and Warner would not confirm whether the companies had tried to remove the cartoons.
Ricardo Reyes, a YouTube spokesman, said YouTube relies on copyright holders to identify infringing content and on users to flag offensive content. If people do not complain, videos remain, he said. Mr. Reyes said that copyright violations are removed âvery quicklyâ once identified, but the problem âis that ownership is often tough to determine.â He said many users âunknowingly post because they donât know the law.â
A representative for Warner wrote in an e-mail message that âWarner Brothers has rights to the titlesâ in question and that âwe vigorously protect all our copyrights. We do not make distinctions based on content.â
The cartoons, known as the âCensored 11,â have been unavailable to the public for 40 years. Postings no longer appear if YouTube is searched for âCoal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs,â a parody of âSnow Whiteâ and the most famous of the cartoons. But a search for âCoal Blackâ does find the cartoon.
These cartoons were controversial when first released; the N.A.A.C.P. unsuccessfully protested âCoal Blackâ before it was shown in 1943. Richard McIntire, the director of communications for the N.A.A.C.P., wrote in an e-mail message that âthe cartoons are despicable. We encourage the filmsâ owners to maintain them as they are â that is, locked away in their vaults.â
WMAV01, a YouTube user who posted some of the cartoons and preferred not to give his name, wrote in an e-mail message that âthese cartoons were never officially âbannedâ by any lawâ and added that the cartoons had âhistorical value.â WMAV01 said the cartoons were available on Web sites like foundrymusic.com, which is run by âThe Opie and Anthony Show,â a talk radio program.
The cartoons are also available on bootleg DVDs from Web sites like banned-cartoons.com, which sells a collection of 165 such cartoons. At least two of the shorts are available on unlicensed DVDs sold by third parties on Amazon.
Michael Barrier, author of four books on the history of animation and comics, said the cartoons should be âpresented in an informed way for an intelligent, adult audience.â Mr. Barrier also said the Censored 11âs appearance on YouTube âshows that there is a demand, so the logical step would be to release them in a way that is profitable for you as a copyright holder.â
Agree with Michael Barrier s
Out of the Censored 11, I've only seen two public domain cartoons: "All This & Rabbit Stew" & "Jungle Jitters"
"All This & Rabbit Stew", Looking past the racial stereotype... it's a good early Bugs Bunny cartoon and some of the tricks he does to the hunter has also been done with Elmer Fudd like the log chase. As for the hunter, I've seen worse (ie "Scrub Me Mama With A Boogie Beat") and other characters like Red Hot Ryder, a cowboy from "Buckaroo Bugs", and Pete Puma, from "Rabbit's Kin" would make the hunter a rocket scientist.
Stereotypes were very common and also been done to celebrities like Bing Crosby, Clark Gable, and Humphrey Bogart. Also Pepe' LePew & Speedy Gonzales. BTW, I'm not white and happend to be born with a slight deformity with about two decades worth of reconstruction surgery.
Heck, stereotypes (especially in different forms) are still around from Comedy Central, Mad TV, rap videos, sitcoms (ie "Will & Grace", "Family Guy") , movies, comedians, etc.
"Jungle Jitters", not that good and not bad either. Rather boring, though a the scene with the salesman trying to get into the door's funny.
As for "Coal Black", a Snow White parody, Bob Clampett was actually a fan of jazz music and the cartoon actually has African Americans providing voices like Dorothy Dandridge's sister as the title character. Also the Rolling Stones' "Harlem Shuffle" music video (from Ralph Baski or Jon Krisfalusi) appeared to be inspired from the cartoon.
I've seen several WWII Disney cartoons, a clip of "Song of the South" (with the snare trap), and several Walter Lantz cartoons that are actually quite good despite the content. Also have to consider that the cartoons were originally intended for adults and aired inbetween the newsreels & the feature film in theatres.
The worst I've seen are:
"Scrub Me Mama With The Boogie Beat", besides the catchy song, the female singer, and the scene with the piano... the cartoon's just loaded with racism.
"Education For Death"... Other than the beginning that parodies a Wagarian Opera, the cartoon's rather dark and disturbing. It's about a kid being brainwashed into becoming a Nazi.
"Little Black Sambo"... a mid '30's Ub Iwerks cartoon... honestly, it was just plain boring.
Subject: Re: Censored 11 and other banned cartoons from the golden age...your thoughts
Written By: MrCleveland on 04/29/08 at 7:41 am
Tom and Jerry's 'Mammy' character was voiced by Lillian Randolph who also appeared in "It's a Wonderful Life" and "Sanford and Son".
Subject: Re: Censored 11 and other banned cartoons from the golden age...your thoughts
Written By: Step-chan on 05/26/08 at 10:14 pm
This would fit more on the politics/religion section than the 'before the 1970's' since it's considered offensive
Also my first thread for in a while (ie "Song of the South", banned Bugs Bunny).
Warning: the links may contain images that may be considered offensive. Sorry that I sounded like Leonard Maltin from the Disney Treasures DVD, but it's a reminder.
Cartoon Brew entry from animation historian Jerry Beck
New York Times article
Agree with Michael Barrier s
Out of the Censored 11, I've only seen two public domain cartoons: "All This & Rabbit Stew" & "Jungle Jitters"
"All This & Rabbit Stew", Looking past the racial stereotype... it's a good early Bugs Bunny cartoon and some of the tricks he does to the hunter has also been done with Elmer Fudd like the log chase. As for the hunter, I've seen worse (ie "Scrub Me Mama With A Boogie Beat") and other characters like Red Hot Ryder, a cowboy from "Buckaroo Bugs", and Pete Puma, from "Rabbit's Kin" would make the hunter a rocket scientist.
Stereotypes were very common and also been done to celebrities like Bing Crosby, Clark Gable, and Humphrey Bogart. Also Pepe' LePew & Speedy Gonzales. BTW, I'm not white and happend to be born with a slight deformity with about two decades worth of reconstruction surgery.
Heck, stereotypes (especially in different forms) are still around from Comedy Central, Mad TV, rap videos, sitcoms (ie "Will & Grace", "Family Guy") , movies, comedians, etc.
"Jungle Jitters", not that good and not bad either. Rather boring, though a the scene with the salesman trying to get into the door's funny.
As for "Coal Black", a Snow White parody, Bob Clampett was actually a fan of jazz music and the cartoon actually has African Americans providing voices like Dorothy Dandridge's sister as the title character. Also the Rolling Stones' "Harlem Shuffle" music video (from Ralph Baski or Jon Krisfalusi) appeared to be inspired from the cartoon.
I've seen several WWII Disney cartoons, a clip of "Song of the South" (with the snare trap), and several Walter Lantz cartoons that are actually quite good despite the content. Also have to consider that the cartoons were originally intended for adults and aired inbetween the newsreels & the feature film in theatres.
The worst I've seen are:
"Scrub Me Mama With The Boogie Beat", besides the catchy song, the female singer, and the scene with the piano... the cartoon's just loaded with racism.
"Education For Death"... Other than the beginning that parodies a Wagarian Opera, the cartoon's rather dark and disturbing. It's about a kid being brainwashed into becoming a Nazi.
"Little Black Sambo"... a mid '30's Ub Iwerks cartoon... honestly, it was just plain boring.
I remember one of the cartoons that involved a magician and an opera(both are dogs, I think it's a Warner Bros. or Tex Avery cartoon). I remember seeing it as a kid and then when I got older and saw it again, I noticed a scene was missing in it(after the opera singer gets hit with a flower pot). The scene was one of him being a black midget singer.
Subject: Re: Censored 11 and other banned cartoons from the golden age...your thoughts
Written By: Jessica on 05/26/08 at 10:21 pm
I remember one of the cartoons that involved a magician and an opera(both are dogs, I think it's a Warner Bros. or Tex Avery cartoon). I remember seeing it as a kid and then when I got older and saw it again, I noticed a scene was missing in it(after the opera singer gets hit with a flower pot). The scene was one of him being a black midget singer.
That would be a Tex Avery cartoon. The name escapes me, but it is on You Tube somewhere.
Subject: Re: Censored 11 and other banned cartoons from the golden age...your thoughts
Written By: Step-chan on 05/26/08 at 10:24 pm
That would be a Tex Avery cartoon. The name escapes me, but it is on You Tube somewhere.
Okay, thank you! :)
Subject: Re: Censored 11 and other banned cartoons from the golden age...your thoughts
Written By: Jessica on 05/26/08 at 10:25 pm
Okay, thank you! :)
I found it. It's called "Magical Maestro" and it should be the full cartoon.
Subject: Re: Censored 11 and other banned cartoons from the golden age...your thoughts
Written By: Step-chan on 05/26/08 at 10:27 pm
I found it. It's called "Magical Maestro" and it should be the full cartoon.
I found it too.
Subject: Re: Censored 11 and other banned cartoons from the golden age...your thoughts
Written By: Step-chan on 05/26/08 at 10:34 pm
I was also wrong on how the scene occured.