http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/06/the_makers_of_a_racist_obama_t.html

this one will be pretty hard to top... but I'm sure the conservatives will manage somehow.  C'mon Don Imus, we're looking at you.

I don't like this sort of thing, but you have to admit that people have likened Bush to a monkey for years now.  It's kind of hypocritical to make that fair game but cry foul here.

I'm no fan of Bush, and I'll probably end up voting for Obama, but I really don't like double standards.

I don't like this sort of thing, but you have to admit that people have likened Bush to a monkey for years now.  It's kind of hypocritical to make that fair game but cry foul here.

I'm no fan of Bush, and I'll probably end up voting for Obama, but I really don't like double standards.



The difference is that there are no racial slurs based around calling someone white a monkey.. not to mention the similarity to the appearance of the monkey with black face characters.

The difference is that there are no racial slurs based around calling someone white a monkey.. not to mention the similarity to the appearance of the monkey with black face characters.


The word isn't "monkey," it's "honkey."  This word never carried the same weight as the N word!
::)

The difference is that there are no racial slurs based around calling someone white a monkey.. not to mention the similarity to the appearance of the monkey with black face characters.


I'm aware of the connotations, but equality is equality.  If it's ok against white people, it should be ok against black people.

I'm aware of the connotations, but equality is equality.  If it's ok against white people, it should be ok against black people.


Hubba Hubba! How obtuse!
:D

Hubba Hubba! How obtuse!
:D


It's not obtuse, it's consistent.  We can't keep kicking around the same double standards, because if we do, it just breeds contempt.  It's like this whole affirmative action farce.  We favor minorities in hiring in the name of equality that, by doing so, we're actually lessening.

A colorblind society needs colorblind laws and colorblind commentary.  The racial aspect of this silly monkey thing only has power if we give in to it.  In a free country, we must eventually accept the nature of being offended.

For example, if black people didn't make a big deal out of the word "ni**er", then it wouldn't have any power over them.  Because they typically do, that's not the case.

The best thing Obama and his supporters can do in this situation is just laugh at the immaturity of this group and let it pass.  Not giving them the satisfaction of receiving your anger or disdain is the best way to disarm these attention seeking types.

We don't have "colorblind society," and we probably never will.  I'm in favor of social justice for all.  The spectre of a "colorblind society" is often raised by the right-wing because they need to bleed their consciences of the injustice they have perpetuated!

What Cosby and Obama say is not new.  Black ministers and civic leaders have been saying the same stuff for generations.  They were the ones you had to get married and you had to be a father to your children and all that.  The problem was not a lack of values but a lack of economy!
::)

The word isn't "monkey," it's "honkey."  This word never carried the same weight as the N word!
::)


no... there's another slur I'm thinking of.  honkey refers to white people, so yeah, not the same thing at all.

What Cosby and Obama say is not new.  Black ministers and civic leaders have been saying the same stuff for generations.  They were the ones you had to get married and you had to be a father to your children and all that.  The problem was not a lack of values but a lack of economy!
::)


It costs money to be a father to your children, to be in their lives, to make sure they go to school every day, to keep them from doing drugs?  Being poor is one thing.  Being a father to your children is another.

Obama and Cosby are not ragging on people because they are poor.  They are ragging on them because they do not stay in their children's lives.  And from what I have read, the issue of Obama's father running out on he and his mother had nothing to do with poverty.  I do not think that you will hear Obama say "Dad ran out on us because he didn't have enough money."  Now, once his Dad did run out, his Mom was indeed short on money, and thankfully for she and Obama, her parents were able to step in and help.

We don't have "colorblind society," and we probably never will.  I'm in favor of social justice for all.  The spectre of a "colorblind society" is often raised by the right-wing because they need to bleed their consciences of the injustice they have perpetuated!

What Cosby and Obama say is not new.  Black ministers and civic leaders have been saying the same stuff for generations.  They were the ones you had to get married and you had to be a father to your children and all that.  The problem was not a lack of values but a lack of economy!
::)


Favoring races and genders through legislation doesn't promote equality or social justice.  Preventing discrimination by making sure that people aren't treated differently by the system according to race and gender is promoting equality and social justice.  Double standards only promote resentment and prejudice.

It costs money to be a father to your children, to be in their lives, to make sure they go to school every day, to keep them from doing drugs?  Being poor is one thing.  Being a father to your children is another.

Obama and Cosby are not ragging on people because they are poor.  They are ragging on them because they do not stay in their children's lives.  And from what I have read, the issue of Obama's father running out on he and his mother had nothing to do with poverty.  I do not think that you will hear Obama say "Dad ran out on us because he didn't have enough money."  Now, once his Dad did run out, his Mom was indeed short on money, and thankfully for she and Obama, her parents were able to step in and help.

This is a touchy subject.  I certainly did not mean to suggest poor people can't be good parents.  That's why I pointed out that it is the counsel of most responsible leaders to keep the family together and be responsible for your children.  In fact, it is arguably more important to maintain familial cohesion in the midst of poverty.  Kids from dysfunctional rich families get to go to special prep schools and top-notch rehab programs if they get into dope.  If you're living in the projects, you get fewer chances to get it right. 

However, the conservatives insist it is just a matter of values and if the "black family" would only get its act together, everything would be Leave it to Beaver.  I see the cycle of poverty and despair as too serious an issue to write off as character flaw.  Mind you, neither Cosby nor Obama is doing this, but the Bill O'Reillys and Rush Limbaughs of the media are.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/21/kevin-bryant-south-caroli_n_114098.html

the difference between Obama and Osama is a little B.S.

another just wow moment... from a state Senator. 

I don't like this sort of thing, but you have to admit that people have likened Bush to a monkey for years now.  It's kind of hypocritical to make that fair game but cry foul here.

I'm no fan of Bush, and I'll probably end up voting for Obama, but I really don't like double standards.


Dare I say it, I'm inclined to agree.

However, I do believe the company knew full well what it was doing trying to market such a product.  :-\\

Favoring races and genders through legislation doesn't promote equality or social justice.  Preventing discrimination by making sure that people aren't treated differently by the system according to race and gender is promoting equality and social justice.  Double standards only promote resentment and prejudice.


The way I see it, positive discrimination is a matter of overcompensation. Rightly or wrongly, my view of the attitude of positive discrimination is; 'I'm sorry for what my people have done to you in the past, here's a guaranteed job for you to make things better'.  ???

I don't like this sort of thing, but you have to admit that people have likened Bush to a monkey for years now.  It's kind of hypocritical to make that fair game but cry foul here.

I'm no fan of Bush, and I'll probably end up voting for Obama, but I really don't like double standards.




I never liked the comparison of Bush to a monkey because it really is such an insult to the monkey.



Cat

I never liked the comparison of Bush to a monkey because it really is such an insult to the monkey.


;D

Maybe we ought to offer monkeys a job to compensate.

I never liked the comparison of Bush to a monkey because it really is such an insult to the monkey.



Cat

Monkeys are sensitive, inquisitive creatures.  Bush on the other hand...
::)

;D

Maybe we ought to offer monkeys a job to compensate.

I could prolly train a monkey to do my job, then I'd just hang out and drink booze while the monkey does all the work!
:D

I could prolly train a monkey to do my job, then I'd just hang out and drink booze while the monkey does all the work!
:D


Good thinking! Though I would feel bad because of animal inequality so would have to give him another job on top of that to alleviate my feelings of guilt . . .

;D

Maybe we ought to offer monkeys a job to compensate.


I thought most of them already worked in the Bush administration

http://mediamatters.org/items/200807240001?f=h_latest

Ben Stein thinks a lot of people turning out to hear a speech is Hitler-like... no idea if that means all those crowds show up for the Pope make his holiness into Hitler too... guess what kind of company he keeps when he makes these kinds of comparisons...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/24/next-stop-germany-ich-bin-ein-beginner/

seems like all the crazies on the right want to go for a Hitler reference now...

usually when someone has to fall back on a Hitler reference with nothing solid to back it up, they've lost the argument already.

I don't like this sort of thing, but you have to admit that people have likened Bush to a monkey for years now.  It's kind of hypocritical to make that fair game but cry foul here.

I'm no fan of Bush, and I'll probably end up voting for Obama, but I really don't like double standards.

Yep.  Completely with you on that one (except the bit about voting for Obama...)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/21/kevin-bryant-south-caroli_n_114098.html

the difference between Obama and Osama is a little B.S.

another just wow moment... from a state Senator. 

The guy's a prime twit:
"It was meant tongue in cheek," he said, adding, "I've got some questions about Senator Obama's ties to -- such as his comment that we should negotiate with Iran. Iran's a country that would like to destroy Israel, that bothers me. But is this picture appropriate? I don't know." He let out a loud laugh. "It's gotten a lot more attention than I would have expected."
What kind of dumbass thinks that we *shouldn't* negotiate with Iran?  How do these idiots get elected, anyway?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200807240001?f=h_latest

Ben Stein thinks a lot of people turning out to hear a speech is Hitler-like... no idea if that means all those crowds show up for the Pope make his holiness into Hitler too... guess what kind of company he keeps when he makes these kinds of comparisons...

A nice quote from that link:

I think we need a Stein Corollary to Godwin's law.

"If a person invokes a Nazi/Hitler/Holocaust comparison in order to support a completely UNRELATED point (such as the U.S. election, or evolution) then you should point at them and laugh"

(and if the person is Jewish, you should be disgusted with them for exploiting and trivializing such a sensitive historical event)

Spot on.  Mind you, I hold Ben Stein in no real high regard anyway: the only time I've come across him before was the "Expelled" movie

Yep.  Completely with you on that one (except the bit about voting for Obama...)
The guy's a prime twit:What kind of dumbass thinks that we *shouldn't* negotiate with Iran?  How do these idiots get elected, anyway?



I have to give you karma for this: "Quote from: some asshole of a senator".  That just cracked me up.  ;D ;D ;D

However, I agree with you that we SHOULD negotiate with Iran, or any other country for that matter. Not negotiating has led us into the mess we are in now in Iraq. Shoot first, ask questions later.  ::)


Cat

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/24/foxs-kilmeade-confuses-bin-laden-and-obama-twice-in-five-seconds/

another Bin Laden, oops I mean Osama, I mean Obama gaff... yesh... not the first time.  The right wing must be REALLY desperate

You may want to check this out:


https://pol.moveon.org/donate/nasreport.html?r=3980&id=13325-1416372-gCwR2Kx


I don't like rap and to tell you the truth, I never heard of Nas until I saw this. The song he preformed on Stephen Cobert I admit that I like the lyrics (but again, I don't like rap).



Cat

http://mediamatters.org/items/200807240001?f=h_latest

Ben Stein thinks a lot of people turning out to hear a speech is Hitler-like... no idea if that means all those crowds show up for the Pope make his holiness into Hitler too... guess what kind of company he keeps when he makes these kinds of comparisons...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/24/next-stop-germany-ich-bin-ein-beginner/

seems like all the crazies on the right want to go for a Hitler reference now...

usually when someone has to fall back on a Hitler reference with nothing solid to back it up, they've lost the argument already.


BHO's rhetorical style is totally different from Hitler's.  Body language is a bit different too!  The one who comes off as Hitlerian has been McCain when he gets P.O.'d.  Hitler probably had more discriminating taste in der sausagehaus, ja?
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/13/icon_salut.gif

I thought most of them already worked in the Bush administration


Heh heh,

Maybe their board meetings are massive chimps tea-parties.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200807240001?f=h_latest

Ben Stein thinks a lot of people turning out to hear a speech is Hitler-like... no idea if that means all those crowds show up for the Pope make his holiness into Hitler too... guess what kind of company he keeps when he makes these kinds of comparisons...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/24/next-stop-germany-ich-bin-ein-beginner/

seems like all the crazies on the right want to go for a Hitler reference now...

usually when someone has to fall back on a Hitler reference with nothing solid to back it up, they've lost the argument already.


Unfortunately, Godwinning is not limited to internet threads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

As you said, these wingnuts have no substance to their argument.

so here's another from party members at the local level

http://www.komonews.com/news/27621254.html

stay classy guys

I don't like this sort of thing, but you have to admit that people have likened Bush to a monkey for years now.  It's kind of hypocritical to make that fair game but cry foul here.

I'm no fan of Bush, and I'll probably end up voting for Obama, but I really don't like double standards.

I suppose everyone decended from Africa anyway.

I suppose everyone decended from Africa anyway.



True, DNA shows that the only pure strain is the San Bushmen of the Kalahari.  Their DNA is the trunk of the family tree.  I saw a documentary on it just the other day.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c246fZ-7z1w

I don't like this sort of thing, but you have to admit that people have likened Bush to a monkey for years now.  It's kind of hypocritical to make that fair game but cry foul here.

I'm no fan of Bush, and I'll probably end up voting for Obama, but I really don't like double standards.



I always thought he kinda looked like a rodent or a bat myself.

However, I agree with you that we SHOULD negotiate with Iran, or any other country for that matter. Not negotiating has led us into the mess we are in now in Iraq. Shoot first, ask questions later.  ::)

Cat


Where did you get the idea that the war in Iraq was the product of no negotiations?  For years... all the way back to 1991... the Bush 1 and Clinton and even Bush 2 administrations entered into talks with iraq, along with the UN, and Iraq thumbed its nose at us.

Now... my personal opinion... I would not have invaded Iraq.  But to say that the invasion did not follow years of negotiations, "sanctions" (not to mention the Bush 1 and Clinton 1 administrations bombing the hel out of Iraq), and other US activities is patently incorrect.

During (mainly the Clinton admin, but also some Bush1/2) the occasional bombings of Iraq I objected to, because in the end all that these aerial exercises did was to generate ill will for the USA, while they had a miniscule punitive effect on Sadaam.  They were great propaganda fodder for the Islamist radicals.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNafTsdlgbSZ8YMoFRDSgrVlEwGwD936205O0

and some more... at a prominent conservative rally of course.