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Subject: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: 97er on 07/30/15 at 3:02 pm

I remember clothing being colorful from 2010-2012. It was acceptable to wear royal blue or red jeans, but if someone wore that today it would look weird. I think clothes has gotten kinda dull in this decade (color wise), but I overall like the trends.

I think this is the decade of slim clothing. Every store has slim pants, slim Blazers, slim shirts, etc. Just the other day I decided to try on some of my older brother's normal jeans from like 2006 and it felt so weird, they felt way too baggy but they actually weren't, I'm just way too used to slim jeans.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: whistledog on 07/30/15 at 3:18 pm


How would you describe 10s fashion?


Clothes that people wear

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Philip Eno on 07/30/15 at 3:20 pm


I remember clothing being colorful from 2010-2012. It was acceptable to wear royal blue or red jeans, but if someone wore that today it would look weird. I think clothes has gotten kinda dull in this decade (color wise), but I overall like the trends.

I think this is the decade of slim clothing. Every store has slim pants, slim Blazers, slim shirts, etc. Just the other day I decided to try on some of my older brother's normal jeans from like 2006 and it felt so weird, they felt way too baggy but they actually weren't, I'm just way too used to slim jeans.
Confused?

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: 97er on 07/30/15 at 3:22 pm

What

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: ArcticFox on 07/30/15 at 3:28 pm

We're moving toward looser clothing. Skinny jeans went completely out of style for men in back-to-school 2014. The 2013-2014 school year is the last time I saw guys wearing skinny jeans. After that, it was replaced by joggers, straight leg pants, and slim-straight jeans from the 2014-2015 school year to the present. I remember first seeing joggers in late 2013.

For girls, skinny jeans are almost out of style. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2015-2016 school year is the last time girls wear skinny jeans. They will probably be replaced by bellbottoms. I like the darker colors. Neon is ugly, I totally prefer neutrals.

Also, are you sure your brother's jeans are from 2006? That's actually the year skinny jeans went mainstream, but then again that's just cutting edge. Maybe he wasn't into the latest styles of the day.

Overall, I don't really follow fashion trends. I kind of do my own thing.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: LyricBoy on 07/30/15 at 5:49 pm

Spiffy.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: #Infinity on 07/30/15 at 7:37 pm

Fashion from the early 2010s (2009-2011) was about as neutral as modern fashion has ever been. Even though the hipster fad was entering its peak around this time, most people I knew wore generic t-shirts and jeans. Long, bushy hair was no longer a huge thing with guys, who mostly just had plain, short hair and occasionally long hair, but not really anything trendy. Females no longer had that pristine,  ultra-straight hair, and urban styles of the 2000s, instead opting for long, unstyled hairdos and modest clothing. Even though flashier, more alternative styles did exist in this period, they were not really ubiquitous the way dominant styles of other periods were.

Since 2012, however, mainstream 2010s fashions have developed a more distinctive look. The most prominent example, of courses, is the widespread presence of side-buzzed hairstyles, previously only a common trend with gay males but now popular with just about everyone, even a lot of women. Clothing has also gotten brighter and wackier across the board, though plenty of people still opt to retain the neutral, thrift-influenced look from previous years. In a sort of way, though, fashion of today is surprisingly close to the styles from Back to the Future Part II's 2015.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: bchris02 on 07/30/15 at 9:26 pm


Since 2012, however, mainstream 2010s fashions have developed a more distinctive look. The most prominent example, of courses, is the widespread presence of side-buzzed hairstyles, previously only a common trend with gay males but now popular with just about everyone, even a lot of women. Clothing has also gotten brighter and wackier across the board, though plenty of people still opt to retain the neutral, thrift-influenced look from previous years. In a sort of way, though, fashion of today is surprisingly close to the styles from Back to the Future Part II's 2015.


I agree with this.

The most distinctive things about 2010s fashion for guys is the side-buzzed hairstyle.  Another notable thing is the fact that the logo tees that dominated the '00s have gone out of style.  Tank tops are also pretty big now.  One thing is that in the '10s you can spend as much or as little as you want on clothes and still look good.  In the '00s you couldn't do this.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: 97er on 07/30/15 at 9:48 pm


We're moving toward looser clothing. Skinny jeans went completely out of style for men in back-to-school 2014. The 2013-2014 school year is the last time I saw guys wearing skinny jeans. After that, it was replaced by joggers, straight leg pants, and slim-straight jeans from the 2014-2015 school year to the present. I remember first seeing joggers in late 2013.

For girls, skinny jeans are almost out of style. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2015-2016 school year is the last time girls wear skinny jeans. They will probably be replaced by bellbottoms. I like the darker colors. Neon is ugly, I totally prefer neutrals.

Also, are you sure your brother's jeans are from 2006? That's actually the year skinny jeans went mainstream, but then again that's just cutting edge. Maybe he wasn't into the latest styles of the day.

Overall, I don't really follow fashion trends. I kind of do my own thing.


I don't mean skinny jeans, skinny jeans were out of style in 2012 where I'm from. I'm talking slim, slim isn't as tight as skinny but not completely loose like normal jeans and yeah I agree about everything else you say. I also have seen a huge rise in "jogger pants" which I really like.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: ArcticFox on 07/31/15 at 11:31 pm


Fashion from the early 2010s (2009-2011) was about as neutral as modern fashion has ever been. Even though the hipster fad was entering its peak around this time, most people I knew wore generic t-shirts and jeans. Long, bushy hair was no longer a huge thing with guys, who mostly just had plain, short hair and occasionally long hair, but not really anything trendy. Females no longer had that pristine,  ultra-straight hair, and urban styles of the 2000s, instead opting for long, unstyled hairdos and modest clothing. Even though flashier, more alternative styles did exist in this period, they were not really ubiquitous the way dominant styles of other periods were.

Since 2012, however, mainstream 2010s fashions have developed a more distinctive look. The most prominent example, of courses, is the widespread presence of side-buzzed hairstyles, previously only a common trend with gay males but now popular with just about everyone, even a lot of women. Clothing has also gotten brighter and wackier across the board, though plenty of people still opt to retain the neutral, thrift-influenced look from previous years. In a sort of way, though, fashion of today is surprisingly close to the styles from Back to the Future Part II's 2015.


Not to be constantly on you, but what do you mean by urban styles? Could you give me some examples? Your description was just kinda ambiguous.

Also, do you live in an alternative community? The people you live with right now might not follow mainstream fashion. From my experience, clothing has gotten significantly less bright since 2012, although I'm not sure about wacky. I definitely agree about the side-buzz. I first saw it in 2012, popping up around spring/summer time. It got quite a bit of recognition during the 2012 London Summer Olympics, called the "Hitler-Youth haircut" at the time. I really dislike that hairstyle; it's gonna look so ridiculously outdated once it falls out of favor!


One thing is that in the '10s you can spend as much or as little as you want on clothes and still look good.  In the '00s you couldn't do this.


The big problem is that the clothes aren't going to last. They fall apart pretty much when the trend goes out of style.

Also, what do you mean by in the aughts you couldn't spend as little or as much as you want and still look good? Can you give me an example?

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: #Infinity on 08/01/15 at 1:48 am


Not to be constantly on you, but what do you mean by urban styles? Could you give me some examples? Your description was just kinda ambiguous.


This is one example of "urban" fashion:

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uaRzceELcM4/hqdefault.jpg
Trucker hats were a big thing for women in the 2000s, as was wearing anything really stripped down and simplistic.

This is another example:

http://unleashthebeef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/myspace_wigger1.jpg

This here was influenced by a combination of glam rap in general, as well as Eminem.  Like the women's styles, these types of looks were mostly just worn to look cool and didn't genuinely reflect urban culture.

Also, do you live in an alternative community? The people you live with right now might not follow mainstream fashion. From my experience, clothing has gotten significantly less bright since 2012, although I'm not sure about wacky. I definitely agree about the side-buzz. I first saw it in 2012, popping up around spring/summer time. It got quite a bit of recognition during the 2012 London Summer Olympics, called the "Hitler-Youth haircut" at the time. I really dislike that hairstyle; it's gonna look so ridiculously outdated once it falls out of favor!

It's less bright than the 2000s, but it's typically more eccentric and not as clean cut and generic.  2000s clothing was pristine and to the point, like this:

http://stagedoordish.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/11-e1365481462717.jpg

Now some of our biggest stars now look like this:

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/02/12/macklemore.jpg

http://imc.ulximg.com/image/src/artist/1393279974_8b1fff597e4a31d43d3b51fa96a01c25.jpg/dde35fd98bb395cb92a88ee0c2fe8a29/1393279974_iggy_azalea_highsnobiety_007_17.jpg

They may not always be wearing bright colors, but their hairstyles, outfits, makeup, and other bodily accessories are much more spontaneous than they were during the not-so-experimental 2000s.

Pharrell Williams went from this:

http://thecuttingsuite.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/USMCV0400501_640x480_3.jpg

To this:

http://www.mistakenclothing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/pharrell-williams-gq-happy-music-artist-hat-album.jpg

Basically, the whole vibrant, imposing character of 2000s clothing, an offset of the decade's ultra-materialistic, anti-intellectual culture, died out after the Great Recession shook the world, and as social media allowed the spread new, eccentric, thrifty styles that took their place.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Arrowstone on 08/01/15 at 7:40 am

They're starting to sell bell bottoms everywhere. I can't cope with that yet xD

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: bchris02 on 08/01/15 at 1:40 pm


I definitely agree about the side-buzz. I first saw it in 2012, popping up around spring/summer time. It got quite a bit of recognition during the 2012 London Summer Olympics, called the "Hitler-Youth haircut" at the time. I really dislike that hairstyle; it's gonna look so ridiculously outdated once it falls out of favor!


I agree with this.  The side buzz cut is to the '10s what the scene swoop was to the late '00s and what the bowl cut was to the '90s.  It's something that we will all look back on and laugh at in the future.  Personally, I've worn my hair the same way since the year 2000 with the exception of a brief experimentation with the scene swoop during 2007 and 2008.  I am trying to decide if I should do the side buzz thing or stick with what I've always done.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Emman on 08/01/15 at 6:42 pm

I honestly don't notice anything very distinct at all, it's just a post-modern wasteland.

What the hell has happened, a decade's fashion used to be easily recognizable all the way up to the early '90s then bam, it's either some revivalist crap or perennial casual staples.

The one exception would be the hip-hop fashion of the 2000s vs the 2010s, in the 2000s it was over sized t shirts, baggy pants, cornrolls, bling, air force ones, grillz, ect. In the 2010s it has moved towards a more hipster style.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Slim95 on 08/01/15 at 9:11 pm

I honestly really don't notice a big difference in clothing since the mid 2000s began.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: ArcticFox on 08/02/15 at 12:08 am


I honestly don't notice anything very distinct at all, it's just a post-modern wasteland.

What the hell has happened, a decade's fashion used to be easily recognizable all the way up to the early '90s then bam, it's either some revivalist crap or perennial casual staples.

The one exception would be the hip-hop fashion of the 2000s vs the 2010s, in the 2000s it was over sized t shirts, baggy pants, cornrolls, bling, air force ones, grillz, ect. In the 2010s it has moved towards a more hipster style.


I seriously don't understand your ridiculously bizarre view of how fashion is supposed to change. It doesn't go in a never ending, eternal straight line. It's a circle. The only truly "original" fashion of the 20th Century was the invention of the miniskirt in the mid 1960's, and even that has its predecessors: http://stylecaster.com/history-of-the-miniskirt/

Originality is a myth. Everything has been inspired by something. An idea cannot come from nothing. There were fashion revivals in the mid-20th century as well. Look at all these shoes.

Women's footwear in 1929:
http://www.needlewoman.com/ebay_auctions/fedora_photos/book/1929_bellas/1929_womens5.JPG

Women's footwear in the 1940's:
http://cdn.vintagedancer.com/wp-content/uploads/1940s-shoes-vintage-new-pin.jpg

Women's footwear in the 1960's:
http://www.advertisingarchives.co.uk/preview/49551/1/Magazine-Plate/Women's-Shoes/1960s.jpg
http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4f/4d/db/4f4ddb3c00927552e2e3cedc36ee94ca.jpg

Women's shoes in the early '70s:
http://cdn.retrowaste.com/wp-content/gallery/1970-womens-fashion/1973-womens-shoes.jpg
Women's shoes in the mid '70s:
http://cdn2.retrowaste.com/wp-content/gallery/1970s-womens-fashion-ads-75-79/1975-womens-platform-sandals.jpg

Women's shoes in the '80s:
http://cdn.retrowaste.com/wp-content/gallery/1980s-fashion-ads/1985-womens-shoes.jpg

Women's shoes in the 1990's:
http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/8/19/14/enhanced-buzz-32185-1376938785-25.jpg
http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2013-09/enhanced/webdr06/30/13/enhanced-buzz-6564-1380562491-7.jpg

As you can see, there's a pattern going on here. You can see what was revived at a certain point in time. Don't even get me started on the clothes. Face it, you don't know much about fashion. So just live and let live alright?

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Emman on 08/02/15 at 2:18 am


Originality is a myth. Everything has been inspired by something. An idea cannot come from nothing. There were fashion revivals in the mid-20th century as well. Look at all these shoes.


Things will usually be a mix of inspiration from previous sources and a new twist, but in the context of discovery there are somethings that are truly unprecedented. Like avant garde electronic music in the 1940s/1950s was truly unprecedent, this kind of novelty is pretty rare but it does exist, there is usually certain degrees of inventiveness. 

It's just in my observation our culture has been moving more towards recreation of old cultural forms without adding much distinctiveness. It's very telling you are getting very defensive about what I said, even personally insulting me, I think you need to grow up a little bit more.

As you can see, there's a pattern going on here. You can see what was revived at a certain point in time. Don't even get me started on the clothes. Face it, you don't know much about fashion. So just live and let live alright?


Aren't you very presumptuous, I know there's been fashion revivals before, nothing new. In the 1920s there was nostalgia for "The Gay Nineties", ect. Still you would never mistake a highly fashionable woman of say 1925 for a woman dressed from the 1890s.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Philip Eno on 08/02/15 at 7:54 am


Confused?
^ Hence my confused.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: KatanaChick on 08/03/15 at 3:33 am


They're starting to sell bell bottoms everywhere. I can't cope with that yet xD

I see ads for them and I see them sold in stores looking very disco and in geometric prints.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: 90s Guy on 08/04/15 at 8:27 am

Are floral pants still big with women?

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Arrowstone on 08/04/15 at 9:29 am

I see a lot like these

http://images.asos-media.com/inv/media/2/4/2/4/4884242/floral/image1xl.jpg

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Mat1991 on 08/04/15 at 10:50 am


I see a lot like these

http://images.asos-media.com/inv/media/2/4/2/4/4884242/floral/image1xl.jpg


I've been seeing that hairstyle a lot, too.

Let me also say that I love floral prints on guys. I currently own one floral shirt and I've been wanting to buy more.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Arrowstone on 08/04/15 at 11:17 am


I've been seeing that hairstyle a lot, too.

Let me also say that I love floral prints on guys. I currently own one floral shirt and I've been wanting to buy more.


Ha I have one too. Vibrant stuff :D

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: shadowcookie on 08/06/15 at 2:19 pm


We're moving toward looser clothing. Skinny jeans went completely out of style for men in back-to-school 2014. The 2013-2014 school year is the last time I saw guys wearing skinny jeans. After that, it was replaced by joggers, straight leg pants, and slim-straight jeans from the 2014-2015 school year to the present. I remember first seeing joggers in late 2013.

For girls, skinny jeans are almost out of style. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2015-2016 school year is the last time girls wear skinny jeans. They will probably be replaced by bellbottoms. I like the darker colors. Neon is ugly, I totally prefer neutrals.

Also, are you sure your brother's jeans are from 2006? That's actually the year skinny jeans went mainstream, but then again that's just cutting edge. Maybe he wasn't into the latest styles of the day.

Overall, I don't really follow fashion trends. I kind of do my own thing.


Skinny jeans are EVERYWHERE in the UK, no idea what you're talking about. In fact, they're common all over Western and northern Europe.

Joggers are everywhere too, but only skinny joggers.

The side buzz cut is extremely popular. I have one myself. It's the only type of haircut I like these days.

Personally, I think the 2010s, while perhaps lacking in distinct fashion trends, are generally a lot better than any recent preceding decades, in terms of casual clothing. People today dress really nicely, and take pride in their appearance. Can't say that about the 90s or the 00s before 2006.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: ArcticFox on 08/06/15 at 3:20 pm


Skinny jeans are EVERYWHERE in the UK, no idea what you're talking about. In fact, they're common all over Western and northern Europe.

Joggers are everywhere too, but only skinny joggers.

The side buzz cut is extremely popular. I have one myself. It's the only type of haircut I like these days.

Personally, I think the 2010s, while perhaps lacking in distinct fashion trends, are generally a lot better than any recent preceding decades, in terms of casual clothing. People today dress really nicely, and take pride in their appearance. Can't say that about the 90s or the 00s before 2006.


Interesting, we have very different tastes. Anyways, I'm American, so I'm talking about America. I don't think we're ahead of you guys at all, but Europeans and North Americans have different mindsets when it comes to clothing and hairstyles. I've met a few Europeans in my teen years and I've gotten into some interesting conversations about the differences in culture between the two lands. From what I've heard, Europeans tend to be more extreme and very trend sensitive - fickle about their appearance. Americans on the other hand will only be super trendy and "extreme" for a brief period and then they move closer to neutrality. An example: Tight pants are cool around the world. In Europe, they're going to go full throttle (super skinny jeans). In America, they'll start off pretty far (skinny jeans), go full throttle (super skinny jeans) for a little while, and then afterwards they move closer to a normal silhouette (slim straight).

I've got another great example: The Mod look from the 1960's.

Here's the English version, in 1966 London.
http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/48/44/cb/4844cb719884340c054ab885a37d0efe.jpg

Here's the American version, in 1966 Los Angeles.
http://41.media.tumblr.com/5bbc7f353567b4898f6daf7a69af7bbc/tumblr_muy77ldS361qzqju7o1_1280.jpg
(I have no clue why three people are going barefoot!)

As you can see, the original London version is much more posh and extravagant. It's more faithful to the runway style. The version that migrated to America is more casual and stripped down. It's still recognizably mod, but it's simpler. Although there are some places in the USA that are more faithful to the original London styles, such as this picture from 1966 New York City.
http://wallofretro.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/ny_party_sep66_afgachrome01-2.jpg

Regarding other decades, you can't say the same thing about the '70s and '80s either. Just looking at pictures from then makes cringe, although some of the women's clothes in the second half of the '70s is really pretty. And honestly? We're from two totally different countries, so arguing over what's popular is useless as England and America are totally different.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Arrowstone on 08/06/15 at 5:37 pm


Interesting, we have very different tastes. Anyways, I'm American, so I'm talking about America. I don't think we're ahead of you guys at all, but Europeans and North Americans have different mindsets when it comes to clothing and hairstyles. I've met a few Europeans in my teen years and I've gotten into some interesting conversations about the differences in culture between the two lands. From what I've heard, Europeans tend to be more extreme and very trend sensitive - fickle about their appearance. Americans on the other hand will only be super trendy and "extreme" for a brief period and then they move closer to neutrality. An example: Tight pants are cool around the world. In Europe, they're going to go full throttle (super skinny jeans). In America, they'll start off pretty far (skinny jeans), go full throttle (super skinny jeans) for a little while, and then afterwards they move closer to a normal silhouette (slim straight).


A yes indeed, skinny jeans are very much present in Western Europe, or at least in the cities.
And you're right. Europeans are more over the top than Americans in fashion.
Americans seem more reserved. Why? Is it the religion? Some other cultural aspect? That's an interesting question.

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: ArcticFox on 08/07/15 at 4:29 pm


Americans seem more reserved. Why? Is it the religion? Some other cultural aspect? That's an interesting question.


Well, there are several reasons. An American-hating European will probably say right off the bat "Americans are too fat to wear nice clothes!" And while it's true over half of the population is overweight or obese (I'm certainly not), there are other reasons. Besides, what about in the 20th century when weight wasn't a problem in America? There are some things to explain.

First, and most importantly, Americans live much faster-paced lives than Europeans. Soccer moms are pretty standard, with the kids' lives being school, sports (clubs if you're in high school), homework, and chores. Teens are piled with tons of homework and many of them have jobs. Young adults often go to community college or university, while holding full-time or part-time jobs. Many of them do homework when they can. Adults often work long hours (9-5 is standard, but a lot work even longer), and then have to get home and cook dinner and do chores (vacuuming, sweeping, cleaning dishes, laundry) around their place of residence (apartment, house, cottage, town home). Because of this, many of them don't take the time to get into fashion and style. Women do more often than men, but a lot of people (an overwhelming majority) wear casual, easy to put on clothes. In colder months, people will wear: Jeans, sweaters, sweatshirts, windbreakers, long sleeve tees, long socks, and athletic shoes. In warmer months, people wear: shorts, tank tops, flip-flops, sandals, slides, short sleeve tees, and boat shoes. That's the majority.

Also, many of American youth tend to have body issues. A lot are insecure, thinking "I'm not attractive enough to dress well. People will laugh at me." I had this issue when I was in high school, but have since shedded it.

Religion sometimes plays a role, particularly in rural areas. I'm a Christian, and I care a lot about how I look. Sometimes, I'm a little too materialistic, but most religious people in America are like that.

Some people think fashion is ridiculous. They don't understand or even notice fashion trends. These people believe everyone should dress "utilitarian". This is a small minority, so we shouldn't worry about these people. They are also hypocritical in the sense that they say to put on "whatever" and "do something productive with their day", and yet here they are on the internet nagging people about and not doing much themselves. These people are typically men, who usually work more manual labor jobs.

Regardless, there are Americans who are cutting edge and dress stylishly. We have plenty of early adopters. If you go to a place like New York or Los Angeles, you'll see people dressed spiffy. They're less common in towns and lesser cities, but they're here. They're just the novel exception.

This reserved and stripped-down mindset can work both for us and against us. When trends change, we're far less likely to look ridiculous when fashion is bad but we're also far less likely to look stunning when fashion is good. British women can look absolutely astonishing when the clothes that are in vogue look really good. In America, only some women can fit into that category (like, 1/10 will astound you with their style). British men typically look just as fantastic as the girls at equal proportions (I'd say 8/10 for both??), but with American guys it's even rarer (more like, 1/20 seriously grab your attention in a positive way).

Subject: Re: How would you describe 10s fashion?

Written By: Arrowstone on 08/13/15 at 10:59 am

Hey good analysis. I'm in London this week. Black skinny jeans rule. People look fine - if not tourists.

There are in general a lot of people not  wearing fashionable clothes, because indeed they often feel uncomfortable with it or whatever. But why do they always end up looking like douchebags? Those are often the same type which don't know how to behave in restaurants. I have a theory about such men which is that they follow a macho man code. In that view, you don't do fashion, it's girly. You watch football. You drink beer, not wine (too refined). But well, you don't have to follow fashion but at least try to look decent. Apparently some people are mirrorblind. 

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