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Subject: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 10/05/15 at 10:54 am

I personally think so. Lets go over the age ranges for generations to get a little feeling of why I think so (note this is just my educated opinion, everybody's entitled to their own) but if we were to go with the typical definition that Gen X was born from 1965-1980 that would mean Gen Y were born the NEXT 16 years after that from 1981-1996.

So if we were to assume these age categories that would mean Gen Y is at a similar point in their lives as Gen X was in 1999, the youngest Xers were 19 and the oldest Xers were 34. You could argue that the youngest Yers as of now are 19 and the oldest Yers are 34.

So lets go back to 1999, during that year almost ALL Gen X influences were gone. We were now in the peak of a new teenaged bubblegum pop era with acts like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, 98 Degrees, & The Spice Girls, along with other early Gen Y music trends like Nu Metal & Party Rap.

Now from what I researched and studied, the earliest signs of Gen Y music trends occurred around in the Summer of 1996 thanks to the popularity of the Macerana, however it wasn't completely Y and it had a much wider appeal than later songs with a similar style but directly targeting Gen Y. By Fall of 96' you had the debut of the Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys and by Spring of 97' they were everywhere. So while the 1996-1997 school year was the LAST School Year with more Gen X musical influences there was no doubt a transition from the more angsty late X Grunge & Gangsta Rap at the very start of the school year in favor of a more light hearted bubblegum pop, nu metal, and popish rap/hip hop by the end of that same school year

By the time 1999 came around most Gen Xers born in 1976 and before were now completely aged out of the targeted audience and most of them probably thought the music was crap. Only the younger Xers born from 1977-1980 were part of the targeted audience, however with the MAIN target audience being high schoolers at the time and the young xers being 19-22 at the time, were now starting to 'feel old' and not actually the prime audience anymore.


Now for recent times; 2012 while mainly a Gen Y year for music and probably the last to have more Gen Y influences, was also the earliest time Gen Z style music started to become very noticeable. Think of the Summer debut of One Direction, Gangnam Style, & Taylor Swift gradually going into a more popish sound around fall of that year and the big debut 2 Chainz. This was around when Gen Z influences started to rise.

However 2011-2012 school year was still the last firm Gen Y school year, and 2012-2013 was the last Y school year as well but this was also a big transitional year. Music acts like Rihanna, early Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, Flo Rida, Lady Gaga, Kesha, LMFAO & Skrillex were still very commercially and culturally relevant for people my age during the 2012-2013 school year however by the very end of that school year Kesha and Lady Gaga had fallen, Flo Rida was barely talked about, Lil Wayne was now overshadowed by newer rappers like 2 Chainz and Macklemore, Nicki Minaj was now transitioning into her current sound, and Rihanna while still relevant was nowhere near the same popularity she was from 2009-2012 which I would argue was her peak, plus dubstep faded and Modern EDM rose, giving a death seal to Skrillex which while still popular was now not the top dog anymore and LMFAO were now forgotten about.

So as of now in 2015 we are now in a new teen pop era for music with acts like Ariana Grande, Selena Gomez, One Direction (despite Zayn leaving), Five Seconds of Summer, Fifth Harmony, & Becky G now dominating the airwaves. You still have a few mature artists like Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Paramore, & depending on the songs being Taylor Swift, but for the most part everything is more Z influenced now. And like in 1999, most Yers born in 1992 and before are now completely aged out and even then most people in that age range probably think the music of today is crap and dull while guys born from 1993-1996 while not completely aged out and many still enjoy music of today (I know I sure do despite a huge overabbundace of teen pop) they are now also starting to 'feel old' as the music of today is mainly targeted at tweens and young teens, NOT COLLEGE STUDENTS.

So am I the only person that feels this way?

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: mqg96 on 10/05/15 at 11:19 am


You still have a few mature artists like Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Paramore, & depending on the songs being Taylor Swift, but for the most part everything is more Z influenced now. And like in 1999, most Yers born in 1992 and before are now completely aged out and even then most people in that age range probably think the music of today is crap and dull while guys born from 1993-1996 while not completely aged out and many still enjoy music of today (I know I sure do despite a huge overabbundace of teen pop) they are now also starting to 'feel old' as the music of today is mainly targeted at tweens and young teens, NOT COLLEGE STUDENTS.


Don't forget to include 1997 too, they are in college as well.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 10/05/15 at 12:02 pm


Don't forget to include 1997 too, they are in college as well.


Yeah your right about that

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 10/05/15 at 12:31 pm


Don't forget to include 1997 too, they are in college as well.

Yes, early-mid 97 born are the youngest in college currently. While fall 97 born are still in high school. At least where I live.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 10/05/15 at 12:45 pm

Personally, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way!! The only artists I enjoy nowadays are like you stated; Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, and Panamore. MAYBE college freshman could enjoy some of the new teeny bopper acts. But for us older college students, that aint happening! The music today seems very childish watered down and ridiculous!! I usually just listen to the old music from the 50s, 60s,70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Specifically the Soul and Contemporary R&b, Jazz, classic and modern Rock, old rap.etc. etc.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: mqg96 on 10/05/15 at 1:27 pm


Personally, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way!! The only artists I enjoy nowadays are like you stated; Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, and Panamore. MAYBE college freshman could enjoy some of the new teeny bopper acts. But for us older college students, that aint happening! The music today seems very childish watered down and ridiculous!! I usually just listen to the old music from the 50s, 60s,70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Specifically the Soul and Contemporary R&b, Jazz, classic and modern Rock, old rap.etc. etc.


I'll also listen to lots of the hip-hop, R&B, and electropop music from the late 2000's & early 2010's too, that came out throughout 2008-2011/2012ish. Being in my later middle school years and earlier high school years I have so many fun memories from all the music that came out throughout the time. The melody, the beat, and the lyrics were so fresh! It was great! I still listen to some hip-hop music that comes out today and I always give it a chance. Although you still have some great hits here and there today but not consistently like before. This "peak of music is throughout your early 20's, not teens" is straight up nonsense. It depends on your favorite genre and most importantly WHEN that genre of music is in its golden age or prime, which is when you like that type of music coming out the most.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: Howard on 10/05/15 at 2:53 pm


Personally, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way!! The only artists I enjoy nowadays are like you stated; Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, and Panamore. MAYBE college freshman could enjoy some of the new teeny bopper acts. But for us older college students, that aint happening! The music today seems very childish watered down and ridiculous!! I usually just listen to the old music from the 50s, 60s,70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Specifically the Soul and Contemporary R&b, Jazz, classic and modern Rock, old rap.etc. etc.


I listen to more of the 70's and 80's music, I can't stand today's music. :P

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: #Infinity on 10/05/15 at 6:13 pm

I think it's pretty obvious that we're in the Generation Z era for music.  High school classes are now pretty much fully populated by Z'ers, and the target age demographic of popular music is narrower than ever before.  As much as I feel that the EDM of today is a stylistic progression (or, more accurately, regression) of electropop from late 2008-2011, it definitely seems to be targeting the Z population in particular, whereas Lady Gaga and Kesha were catering to late Generation Y.  People my age now either listen to indie rock or stuff from decades past and have practically no knowledge of current popular artists and hit songs aside from megahits like Happy and Uptown Funk!.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 10/05/15 at 6:22 pm


I think it's pretty obvious that we're in the Generation Z era for music.  High school classes are now pretty much fully populated by Z'ers, and the target age demographic of popular music is narrower than ever before.  As much as I feel that the EDM of today is a stylistic progression (or, more accurately, regression) of electropop from late 2008-2011, it definitely seems to be targeting the Z population in particular, whereas Lady Gaga and Kesha were catering to late Generation Y.  People my age now either listen to indie rock or stuff from decades past and have practically no knowledge of current popular artists and hit songs aside from megahits like Happy and Uptown Funk!.

Yeah most of my college buddies, male and female; listen to underground and NON mainstream rap, more mature pop acts(sheeran, Smith, and Panamore) and indie rock.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: mqg96 on 10/05/15 at 6:29 pm


Yeah most of my college buddies, male and female; listen to underground and NON mainstream rap, more mature pop acts(sheeran, Smith, and Panamore) and indie rock.


DING DING DING, THIS so much! All those mainstream popular songs I don't even focus on that much now with very few exceptions. Remember when Teach Me How to Dougie was a huge thing for a little bit back in 2010? Now this new Whip Nae Nae song that's targeted towards middle school & high schoolers is real popular now. It irritates my ears with pain 8-P

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 10/05/15 at 8:27 pm


Personally, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way!! The only artists I enjoy nowadays are like you stated; Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, and Panamore. MAYBE college freshman could enjoy some of the new teeny bopper acts. But for us older college students, that aint happening! The music today seems very childish watered down and ridiculous!! I usually just listen to the old music from the 50s, 60s,70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Specifically the Soul and Contemporary R&b, Jazz, classic and modern Rock, old rap.etc. etc.


Yep while I still enjoy plenty of top 40 songs on the radio there are definitely a lot of other artists I would not be listening to. Could you see a guy our age bopping to 5SOS or Fifth Harmony?  ;D ;D


I think it's pretty obvious that we're in the Generation Z era for music.  High school classes are now pretty much fully populated by Z'ers, and the target age demographic of popular music is narrower than ever before.  As much as I feel that the EDM of today is a stylistic progression (or, more accurately, regression) of electropop from late 2008-2011, it definitely seems to be targeting the Z population in particular, whereas Lady Gaga and Kesha were catering to late Generation Y.  People my age now either listen to indie rock or stuff from decades past and have practically no knowledge of current popular artists and hit songs aside from megahits like Happy and Uptown Funk!.


What I bolded here is so true. ALL High Schoolers & Middle Schoolers are Gen Z now, Period. On top of that the music that is directed towards them is different towards the music that was popular when I was in high school. Actually come to think of it I honestly believe that for most of my high school years teen pop wasn't that popular. Though yo had the breakout of One Direction in 2012, most girls my age were mostly into Rihanna and Kesha at the time. IMO that started shift (with those a couple of years younger than me) around 2013, when Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus, & Selena Gomez ditched their kiddy roles and broke out as major teenaged musical forces in mainstream music. Hence why I always thought of 2013 (and late 2012 to some extent) as the dawn of the era of music we are in today


Yeah most of my college buddies, male and female; listen to underground and NON mainstream rap, more mature pop acts(sheeran, Smith, and Panamore) and indie rock.


Yeah its a bit different with my friends. When we're driving we'll listen to 92.3 or Z100 and sing along and stuff like that. But when we are just chilling at our houses and such we typically just listen to more underground stuff. So with my group of friends we are caught up with current trends but we don't really engage with them that often


DING DING DING, THIS so much! All those mainstream popular songs I don't even focus on that much now with very few exceptions. Remember when Teach Me How to Dougie was a huge thing for a little bit back in 2010? Now this new Whip Nae Nae song that's targeted towards middle school & high schoolers is real popular now. It irritates my ears with pain 8-P



Yeah that song is annoying AF. I cant stand it personally and the guy who sings the song can't dance  ;D ;D

But in all honesty it shows how fast the teen pop of today is changing. The artist who sings that song is Silento and he was born in 1998. So not only do we have people our age and older, who some might consider late Gen Y, making songs for Gen Z but even a few early Gen Zers now entering the fray. Now I will start to feel old as crap once someone born in 2000 has a musical hit as big as Silento  ;D :\'(

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: mqg96 on 10/05/15 at 9:15 pm


But in all honesty it shows how fast the teen pop of today is changing. The artist who sings that song is Silento and he was born in 1998. So not only do we have people our age and older, who some might consider late Gen Y, making songs for Gen Z but even a few early Gen Zers now entering the fray. Now I will start to feel old as crap once someone born in 2000 has a musical hit as big as Silento  ;D :\'(


OOHHH sheesh.... Silento is from my hometown and according to wikipedia he's a senior in high school at the same county my cousins are in :o

that's intriguing for me!

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 10/05/15 at 9:29 pm


What I bolded here is so true. ALL High Schoolers & Middle Schoolers are Gen Z now, Period. On top of that the music that is directed towards them is different towards the music that was popular when I was in high school. Actually come to think of it I honestly believe that for most of my high school years teen pop wasn't that popular. Though yo had the breakout of One Direction in 2012, most girls my age were mostly into Rihanna and Kesha at the time. IMO that started shift (with those a couple of years younger than me) around 2013, when Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus, & Selena Gomez ditched their kiddy roles and broke out as major teenaged musical forces in mainstream music. Hence why I always thought of 2013 (and late 2012 to some extent) as the dawn of the era of music we are in today

Yeah I associate my high school years MUSICALLY with Lady Gaga, Kesha, Rhianna, Drake, Lil Wayne, Katy, Eminem(2010), Chris Brown etc. Rock kinda declined during my high school years, mainly older acts from the previous decades were thriving.
But I actually consider the oldest high schoolers to be the last cuspers.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: ArcticFox on 10/06/15 at 12:21 am

You are too obsessed with this kind of stuff. Does it matter how it affects your life? Live and let live.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: christopher on 10/06/15 at 3:18 am

If I prefer music targeted at Gen Z to the music targeted to Yers does that make me a member of generation Z?
I was born in 1988 but 2012 and 2013 were the first years I truly enjoyed new music. before that I was all about 80's music. ;)

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 10/06/15 at 9:10 am


If I prefer music targeted at Gen Z to the music targeted to Yers does that make me a member of generation Z?
I was born in 1988 but 2012 and 2013 were the first years I truly enjoyed new music. before that I was all about 80's music. ;)


Generations are defined by birth years as opposed to personal taste, so you'd still be a "Millennial", but I do think it is important for people to remember that not everybody automatically likes the same music just based on age.

After all, generations are, for the most part, nothing more than speculative psudo-social science. I'm quite stereotypical for a "Core Yer" in that I was mainly into popular music from roughly 1997-2007, but I have some friends even older than I am that still like top 40 stuff today. Heck, my mom is almost 50-years-old and she likes pretty much anything new that gets played on the radio these days.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 10/06/15 at 9:31 am


I personally think so. Lets go over the age ranges for generations to get a little feeling of why I think so (note this is just my educated opinion, everybody's entitled to their own) but if we were to go with the typical definition that Gen X was born from 1965-1980 that would mean Gen Y were born the NEXT 16 years after that from 1981-1996.

So if we were to assume these age categories that would mean Gen Y is at a similar point in their lives as Gen X was in 1999, the youngest Xers were 19 and the oldest Xers were 34. You could argue that the youngest Yers as of now are 19 and the oldest Yers are 34.

So lets go back to 1999, during that year almost ALL Gen X influences were gone. We were now in the peak of a new teenaged bubblegum pop era with acts like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, 98 Degrees, & The Spice Girls, along with other early Gen Y music trends like Nu Metal & Party Rap.

Now from what I researched and studied, the earliest signs of Gen Y music trends occurred around in the Summer of 1996 thanks to the popularity of the Macerana, however it wasn't completely Y and it had a much wider appeal than later songs with a similar style but directly targeting Gen Y. By Fall of 96' you had the debut of the Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys and by Spring of 97' they were everywhere. So while the 1996-1997 school year was the LAST School Year with more Gen X musical influences there was no doubt a transition from the more angsty late X Grunge & Gangsta Rap at the very start of the school year in favor of a more light hearted bubblegum pop, nu metal, and popish rap/hip hop by the end of that same school year

By the time 1999 came around most Gen Xers born in 1976 and before were now completely aged out of the targeted audience and most of them probably thought the music was crap. Only the younger Xers born from 1977-1980 were part of the targeted audience, however with the MAIN target audience being high schoolers at the time and the young xers being 19-22 at the time, were now starting to 'feel old' and not actually the prime audience anymore.


Now for recent times; 2012 while mainly a Gen Y year for music and probably the last to have more Gen Y influences, was also the earliest time Gen Z style music started to become very noticeable. Think of the Summer debut of One Direction, Gangnam Style, & Taylor Swift gradually going into a more popish sound around fall of that year and the big debut 2 Chainz. This was around when Gen Z influences started to rise.

However 2011-2012 school year was still the last firm Gen Y school year, and 2012-2013 was the last Y school year as well but this was also a big transitional year. Music acts like Rihanna, early Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, Flo Rida, Lady Gaga, Kesha, LMFAO & Skrillex were still very commercially and culturally relevant for people my age during the 2012-2013 school year however by the very end of that school year Kesha and Lady Gaga had fallen, Flo Rida was barely talked about, Lil Wayne was now overshadowed by newer rappers like 2 Chainz and Macklemore, Nicki Minaj was now transitioning into her current sound, and Rihanna while still relevant was nowhere near the same popularity she was from 2009-2012 which I would argue was her peak, plus dubstep faded and Modern EDM rose, giving a death seal to Skrillex which while still popular was now not the top dog anymore and LMFAO were now forgotten about.

So as of now in 2015 we are now in a new teen pop era for music with acts like Ariana Grande, Selena Gomez, One Direction (despite Zayn leaving), Five Seconds of Summer, Fifth Harmony, & Becky G now dominating the airwaves. You still have a few mature artists like Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Paramore, & depending on the songs being Taylor Swift, but for the most part everything is more Z influenced now. And like in 1999, most Yers born in 1992 and before are now completely aged out and even then most people in that age range probably think the music of today is crap and dull while guys born from 1993-1996 while not completely aged out and many still enjoy music of today (I know I sure do despite a huge overabbundace of teen pop) they are now also starting to 'feel old' as the music of today is mainly targeted at tweens and young teens, NOT COLLEGE STUDENTS.

So am I the only person that feels this way?


I pretty much agree with this.

1996-97 does seem, in hindsight, to be when you first began to see early signs of Gen Y "culture". For me, I've always seen "MMMBop" by Hanson (which peaked at #1 in May of 1997) as the very first major hit song that appealed exclusively to Millennials. I was in 4th grade at that time, and I can say with certainty that there wasn't a girl in my class that didn't have that album. On the flip side, granting that the youngest Xers were born in 1980, it goes without saying that no self-respecting 17-year-old would've been caught dead listening to "MMMBop"; heck, even some older Yers might've been too old for the Hanson demographic, so it was really the first song to appeal to the "Core Y" age group, which was in elementary and junior high school at the time. It only escalated from there, with Teen Pop, Nu Metal, Pop-Punk, and Glam Rap ascending over the next few years. By the time you got to late 1999, there wasn't much mainstream music that anyone born before 1980 would've been interested in.

As for Millennials, speaking only for myself here, the first mega popular new artist that I felt "too old" to care about (aside from Disney stuff like "High School Musical" and Hannah Montana) was Lady Gaga. It was weird because I was still in college at the time, and some of my friends were big fans of "Just Dance" and whatnot, but it just didn't do it for me for whatever reason. That was in 2009, and each passing year since then I've found myself less and less interested in the current top 40 scene. In 2015, I probably couldn't name two songs currently in the top 10 on the Billboard charts.

This really shows the younger "slant" that pop culture has taken over the last 15 years or so. If you go back to the late '80s and early '90s, the popular acts of that era like Guns 'N Roses, Nirvana, Michael Jackson, Madonna, etc. all had huge followings among people like me in their late 20's.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: Arrowstone on 10/06/15 at 9:53 am

I think we are.. and I'm not going with it.
I am retreating into indie rock or going back to '90s and '00s music.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 10/06/15 at 1:25 pm


OOHHH sheesh.... Silento is from my hometown and according to wikipedia he's a senior in high school at the same county my cousins are in :o

that's intriguing for me!


WTF!? Thats crazy, do your cousins know of him personally?

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: Howard on 10/06/15 at 2:24 pm

Yeah I associate my high school years MUSICALLY with Lady Gaga, Kesha, Rhianna, Drake, Lil Wayne, Katy, Eminem(2010), Chris Brown etc. Rock kinda declined during my high school years, mainly older acts from the previous decades were thriving.
But I actually consider the oldest high schoolers to be the last cuspers.


As for me Eazy, I associate my High School years with Tone Loc, Young Mc, Bobby Brown Tiffany & Debbie Gibson just to name a few, As you can tell I'm older than you.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 10/06/15 at 5:33 pm

I say not yet. While there is music out there specifically for Gen Z, there are music in the mainstream that's strictly for Yers. I can see the music being fully Z by the time the late Yers are finished with high school which is 2017/18 (it will either be the 2016-17 or 2017-18 school year I see any last Y culture). Right now, it's still the Y/Z cusp, but leaning towards Z because school is mostly occupied by Zers themselves. In fact, the oldest Zers just began high school last month or 2 months ago depending on the state and/or district.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: sonikuu on 10/07/15 at 12:12 am

The whole concept of generations is a social construct with no real meaning behind it.  A "Gen Yer" born in 1992 will have more in common with a "Gen Zer" born in 1997 than with a fellow "Gen Yer" born in 1982.  Let's not even get into where each generation starts and ends, as though being born one year later suddenly makes you an entirely different generation than someone born a year earlier.  So whether we've entered the "Gen Z" era will depend entirely on one's subjective point of view. 

Personally, I'm 26 and actually still enjoy a large portion of the Top 40.  I preferred 2010-2013, but I still find good stuff in the top 40 for 2014 and 2015.  I also don't think it's as teen pop-oriented as OP and some here say, at least in the US.  5 Seconds of Summer has only had one song rank above #20 on the US Billboard charts.  Same goes for Fifth Harmony.  Becky G was a one hit wonder in every country according to chart positions.  Singers with a more mature image like Ed Sheeran, The Weeknd, and Sam Smith have had greater chart success than any of the ones I've just mentioned.  Meanwhile, Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber have both attempted to "mature" their sound in their latest songs. 

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: ArcticFox on 10/07/15 at 9:52 am


The whole concept of generations is a social construct with no real meaning behind it.  A "Gen Yer" born in 1992 will have more in common with a "Gen Zer" born in 1997 than with a fellow "Gen Yer" born in 1982.  Let's not even get into where each generation starts and ends, as though being born one year later suddenly makes you an entirely different generation than someone born a year earlier.  So whether we've entered the "Gen Z" era will depend entirely on one's subjective point of view. 

Personally, I'm 26 and actually still enjoy a large portion of the Top 40.  I preferred 2010-2013, but I still find good stuff in the top 40 for 2014 and 2015.  I also don't think it's as teen pop-oriented as OP and some here say, at least in the US.  5 Seconds of Summer has only had one song rank above #20 on the US Billboard charts.  Same goes for Fifth Harmony.  Becky G was a one hit wonder in every country according to chart positions.  Singers with a more mature image like Ed Sheeran, The Weeknd, and Sam Smith have had greater chart success than any of the ones I've just mentioned.  Meanwhile, Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber have both attempted to "mature" their sound in their latest songs.


I agree that the whole music generation thing is ridiculous. People over the age of 25 are of course going to find songs that they like after whatever period of their early 20's. Regarding the artists, I think Fifth Harmony's only "teenybopper" song was Sledgehammer. Worth It fits in well with people my age. Selena Gonez has been more successful in maturing their sound than Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber's fans are mostly young girls (who outgrow him when they turn 16). One reason why is that his voice has barely matured since 2012. He is 21. When Justin Timberlake was the same age in 2002 (the Justified era, which admittedly was aimed at N'Sync fans), he sounded like an adult man. Bieber still sounds like a boy (and looks like a washed up child star akin to Macaulay Culkin).

Frankly, Selena Gomez has sort of always been "my music", if you get what I mean. Her first hit single "Naturally" (with The Scene, what happened to them anyway? A falling out?) was definitely big among kids my age. My peers were indifferent to her music after that. It wasn't until the "Come and Get It" era that she caught our attention again. "The Heart Wants What it Wants" was clearly aimed at little girls, and I don't know what to think of her new music. I kind of like "Same Old Love", but I really don't like "Good For You".

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 10/09/15 at 6:20 pm


Yeah I associate my high school years MUSICALLY with Lady Gaga, Kesha, Rhianna, Drake, Lil Wayne, Katy, Eminem(2010), Chris Brown etc. Rock kinda declined during my high school years, mainly older acts from the previous decades were thriving.
But I actually consider the oldest high schoolers to be the last cuspers.


Yep when I look back on my HS years those artists you mentioned are who I am going to remember lol.

Also yeah you got a point. Actually come to think of it I always thought of people born from 1995-1998 as the ultimate YZ cuspers. Similar to how those born from 1979-1982 at the ultimate XY cuspers.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: mqg96 on 10/09/15 at 6:47 pm


"Come and Get It"


Those were one of the most annoying irritating songs ever, I had to hear it everytime I went to the Atlanta Fitness gym throughout early/mid 2013.....blahhhh 8-P

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: ArcticFox on 10/10/15 at 8:40 am


Yeah I associate my high school years MUSICALLY with Lady Gaga, Kesha, Rhianna, Drake, Lil Wayne, Katy, Eminem(2010), Chris Brown etc. Rock kinda declined during my high school years, mainly older acts from the previous decades were thriving.
But I actually consider the oldest high schoolers to be the last cuspers.


Out of all of those, the only ones that were consistently relevant throughout the early-to-mid '10s were the Rihanna, Drake, Katy Perry, and Eminem. No one cares about Lil' Wayne anymore, Ke$ha was never as big after her debut album-era. Don't forget Nicki Minaj (even though most of her music sucked, she did surprise you occasionally)! Chris Brown lost so much respect from the public after he assaulted Rihanna, he was never as big as he was pre-assault.

People our age either don't care or straight up dislike Lasy Gaga and Lil Wayne, as well as Chris Brown. The people who actually do care about these singers/rappers are those who were born in the mid '80s-early '90s (like, 1985-1993 babies).

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: mqg96 on 10/10/15 at 10:43 am


People our age either don't care or straight up dislike Lasy Gaga and Lil Wayne, as well as Chris Brown. The people who actually do care about these singers/rappers are those who were born in the mid '80s-early '90s (like, 1985-1993 babies).


Oh lord Jesus please help me..... Again, how many times do I have to tell you that age is completely irrelevant to your taste in music. It's about when the genre specifically had great music coming out consistently! I know many 1994-1997 babies who enjoyed those artists too, not just 1985-1993 babies. Taste in music comes down to people's preferences, not age, and anybody who is in middle school, high school, or college can appreciate any types of music or artists apart of their time.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: ArcticFox on 10/10/15 at 12:25 pm


Oh lord Jesus please help me..... Again, how many times do I have to tell you that age is completely irrelevant to your taste in music. It's about when the genre specifically had great music coming out consistently! I know many 1994-1997 babies who enjoyed those artists too, not just 1985-1993 babies. Taste in music comes down to people's preferences, not age, and anybody who is in middle school, high school, or college can appreciate any types of music or artists apart of their time.


The beginning of your response is rude and unnecessary. I am not paying attention to entire threads because I have more important things to do  than get into debates and arguments over subjective things and people with wild varying experiences. I am only typing my response right now and logging off right after and I have no desire to converse with anyone.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: bchris02 on 10/10/15 at 9:05 pm


Oh lord Jesus please help me..... Again, how many times do I have to tell you that age is completely irrelevant to your taste in music. It's about when the genre specifically had great music coming out consistently! I know many 1994-1997 babies who enjoyed those artists too, not just 1985-1993 babies. Taste in music comes down to people's preferences, not age, and anybody who is in middle school, high school, or college can appreciate any types of music or artists apart of their time.


Age is somewhat relevant.  This article explains it.

http://mic.com/articles/96266/there-s-a-magic-age-when-you-find-your-musical-taste-according-to-science

However, this has more to do with style of music than specific artists or songs.  For instance, I can hear a song I've never heard from an artist I've never heard but if its from the '00s or sounds like it could have been, chances are I will really enjoy it.  For instance, I can actually enjoy certain songs by One Direction and 5 Seconds of Summer, bands that people may age technically shouldn't like. Both bands though have specific songs that sound very '00s.  It's the style I respond to, not the artist or the band.  I also have a lot of affinity for '80s music as well as music from the early 20th century because I was exposed to it at an early age.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: mqg96 on 10/11/15 at 8:00 am


Age is somewhat relevant.  This article explains it.

http://mic.com/articles/96266/there-s-a-magic-age-when-you-find-your-musical-taste-according-to-science

However, this has more to do with style of music than specific artists or songs.  For instance, I can hear a song I've never heard from an artist I've never heard but if its from the '00s or sounds like it could have been, chances are I will really enjoy it.  For instance, I can actually enjoy certain songs by One Direction and 5 Seconds of Summer, bands that people may age technically shouldn't like. Both bands though have specific songs that sound very '00s.  It's the style I respond to, not the artist or the band.  I also have a lot of affinity for '80s music as well as music from the early 20th century because I was exposed to it at an early age.


The article says around 14-24, I can respect that, but I still think it peaking at 24 is suggestive because it depends on the style of music the person prefers most importantly out of all. So far in my lifetime my peak of music has been going on since 2007 when I was 11, and I believe it will continue until I'm 24 or 25, but that peak might get extended if out of no where if a new Renaissance/Golden Age of music starts coming out with great hits again. So it depends. Honestly, for the rest of this decade, I don't care what hip-hop song comes out, I like most of those rather it's good or bad by anyone, however, I mostly enjoyed the ones from the late 2000's/early 2010's the best IMO. When it comes to electropop music or some exceptional teen music (even though I hate most of 'em), I only liked the ones from 2009 & 2010, I've hardly liked any from 2012-present, but I still enjoy many Katy Perry songs and I really enjoyed that Demi Lovato song you sent me a couple weeks ago. I'm still giving music a chance for the rest of the decade and I believe we'll have more great ones coming soon.

Subject: Re: Do you think we are officially in the Gen Z Era for Music?

Written By: batfan2005 on 10/11/15 at 5:41 pm


I personally think so. Lets go over the age ranges for generations to get a little feeling of why I think so (note this is just my educated opinion, everybody's entitled to their own) but if we were to go with the typical definition that Gen X was born from 1965-1980 that would mean Gen Y were born the NEXT 16 years after that from 1981-1996.

So if we were to assume these age categories that would mean Gen Y is at a similar point in their lives as Gen X was in 1999, the youngest Xers were 19 and the oldest Xers were 34. You could argue that the youngest Yers as of now are 19 and the oldest Yers are 34.

So lets go back to 1999, during that year almost ALL Gen X influences were gone. We were now in the peak of a new teenaged bubblegum pop era with acts like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, 98 Degrees, & The Spice Girls, along with other early Gen Y music trends like Nu Metal & Party Rap.

Now from what I researched and studied, the earliest signs of Gen Y music trends occurred around in the Summer of 1996 thanks to the popularity of the Macerana, however it wasn't completely Y and it had a much wider appeal than later songs with a similar style but directly targeting Gen Y. By Fall of 96' you had the debut of the Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys and by Spring of 97' they were everywhere. So while the 1996-1997 school year was the LAST School Year with more Gen X musical influences there was no doubt a transition from the more angsty late X Grunge & Gangsta Rap at the very start of the school year in favor of a more light hearted bubblegum pop, nu metal, and popish rap/hip hop by the end of that same school year

By the time 1999 came around most Gen Xers born in 1976 and before were now completely aged out of the targeted audience and most of them probably thought the music was crap. Only the younger Xers born from 1977-1980 were part of the targeted audience, however with the MAIN target audience being high schoolers at the time and the young xers being 19-22 at the time, were now starting to 'feel old' and not actually the prime audience anymore.


Now for recent times; 2012 while mainly a Gen Y year for music and probably the last to have more Gen Y influences, was also the earliest time Gen Z style music started to become very noticeable. Think of the Summer debut of One Direction, Gangnam Style, & Taylor Swift gradually going into a more popish sound around fall of that year and the big debut 2 Chainz. This was around when Gen Z influences started to rise.

However 2011-2012 school year was still the last firm Gen Y school year, and 2012-2013 was the last Y school year as well but this was also a big transitional year. Music acts like Rihanna, early Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, Flo Rida, Lady Gaga, Kesha, LMFAO & Skrillex were still very commercially and culturally relevant for people my age during the 2012-2013 school year however by the very end of that school year Kesha and Lady Gaga had fallen, Flo Rida was barely talked about, Lil Wayne was now overshadowed by newer rappers like 2 Chainz and Macklemore, Nicki Minaj was now transitioning into her current sound, and Rihanna while still relevant was nowhere near the same popularity she was from 2009-2012 which I would argue was her peak, plus dubstep faded and Modern EDM rose, giving a death seal to Skrillex which while still popular was now not the top dog anymore and LMFAO were now forgotten about.

So as of now in 2015 we are now in a new teen pop era for music with acts like Ariana Grande, Selena Gomez, One Direction (despite Zayn leaving), Five Seconds of Summer, Fifth Harmony, & Becky G now dominating the airwaves. You still have a few mature artists like Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Paramore, & depending on the songs being Taylor Swift, but for the most part everything is more Z influenced now. And like in 1999, most Yers born in 1992 and before are now completely aged out and even then most people in that age range probably think the music of today is crap and dull while guys born from 1993-1996 while not completely aged out and many still enjoy music of today (I know I sure do despite a huge overabbundace of teen pop) they are now also starting to 'feel old' as the music of today is mainly targeted at tweens and young teens, NOT COLLEGE STUDENTS.

So am I the only person that feels this way?


Yeah, I agree. 2015 is to Gen Z as 1999 was to Gen Y. I've always seen a 16 year parallel because as you mentioned, that is the span of a generation and it repeats in that cycle. The reason for the number 16 is because of events that occur every four years, namely presidential elections and terms which really influence the culture. 16 years before 1999 was 1983, and I'm old enough to remember that year as the first year geared towards young Gen X-ers (The MTV Generation). Artists like Madonna, Cindy Lauper, and Pat Benetar were in there prime, much like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, NSYNC, etc in '99.

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