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Subject: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: John Titor on 05/23/17 at 7:02 pm

Just the mood of everything makes the early and mid 2010s seem very distant.
Here are a few of my points why I think this.


Donald Trump is President
When Donald became President in late 2016 you could almost feel the mood of the decade
change in an instant.



Bombing in Manchester/ Times Square Attack
Last week Times square had an attack where a man ran over
many people. It is very scary because this happened in TIMES SQUARE.
The Bombing last night at the Ariana Grande concert has never happened before.
I do not recall any POP concert having a bomb blow up and killing many innocent children.


Music is changing

There is this new chopped screwed effect to peoples vocals in POP songs.
Generation Z seems to be taking over. Here are the NEW artists of Generation Z
that seem to be taking over.


Chainsmokers
Harry Styles -  Debut album was a smash
Halsey
Noah Cyrus
Camilla Cabello- Her new song even Samples Genie in a Bottle

Also I will note EDM is pretty much a non factor beyond festivals at this point.



Backlash against GRITTY TV/Movies
I have noticed on forums people are getting sick of the gritty AMC/HBO type of shows.




Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/23/17 at 7:52 pm


Just the mood of everything makes the early and mid 2010s seem very distant.
Here are a few of my points why I think this.


Donald Trump is President
When Donald became President in late 2016 you could almost feel the mood of the decade
change in an instant.



Bombing in Manchester/ Times Square Attack
Last week Times square had an attack where a man ran over
many people. It is very scary because this happened in TIMES SQUARE.
The Bombing last night at the Ariana Grande concert has never happened before.
I do not recall any POP concert having a bomb blow up and killing many innocent children.


Music is changing

There is this new chopped screwed effect to peoples vocals in POP songs.
Generation Z seems to be taking over. Here are the NEW artists of Generation Z
that seem to be taking over.


Chainsmokers
Harry Styles -  Debut album was a smash
Halsey
Noah Cyrus
Camilla Cabello- Her new song even Samples Genie in a Bottle

Also I will note EDM is pretty much a non factor beyond festivals at this point.



Backlash against GRITTY TV/Movies
I have noticed on forums people are getting sick of the gritty AMC/HBO type of shows.

1. Donald Trump became President in early 2017 (January 20, 2017) not late 2016. That's just when he was elected.
2. The Chainsmokers, Halsey and Harry Styles are Millennials NOT members of Gen Z. It's debatable whether Camila Cabello (born in 1997) and Noah Cyrus (born in 2000) are the youngest Millennials or the oldest Gen Z.
3. Music now, to me, isn't much different from 2014-2016.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheEarly90sFan on 05/23/17 at 8:01 pm


Just the mood of everything makes the early and mid 2010s seem very distant.
Here are a few of my points why I think this.


Donald Trump is President
When Donald became President in late 2016 you could almost feel the mood of the decade
change in an instant.



Bombing in Manchester/ Times Square Attack
Last week Times square had an attack where a man ran over
many people. It is very scary because this happened in TIMES SQUARE.
The Bombing last night at the Ariana Grande concert has never happened before.
I do not recall any POP concert having a bomb blow up and killing many innocent children.


Music is changing

There is this new chopped screwed effect to peoples vocals in POP songs.
Generation Z seems to be taking over. Here are the NEW artists of Generation Z
that seem to be taking over.


Chainsmokers
Harry Styles -  Debut album was a smash
Halsey
Noah Cyrus
Camilla Cabello- Her new song even Samples Genie in a Bottle

Also I will note EDM is pretty much a non factor beyond festivals at this point.



Backlash against GRITTY TV/Movies
I have noticed on forums people are getting sick of the gritty AMC/HBO type of shows.


We are now living in the late '10s. This part of the '10s is closer to the year 2020 than the other years that came before it. I think that is what you're noticing.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: John Titor on 05/23/17 at 8:44 pm


1. Donald Trump became President in early 2017 (January 20, 2017) not late 2016. That's just when he was elected.
2. The Chainsmokers, Halsey and Harry Styles are Millennials NOT members of Gen Z. It's debatable whether Camila Cabello (born in 1997) and Noah Cyrus (born in 2000) are the youngest Millennials or the oldest Gen Z.
3. Music now, to me, isn't much different from 2014-2016.


No doubt they are Millennials but they are being marketed as Generation Z artists.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: John Titor on 05/23/17 at 8:45 pm


We are now living in the late '10s. This part of the '10s is closer to the year 2020 than the other years that came before it. I think that is what you're noticing.


Yeah its such a weird but yet refreshing feeling.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Encoder319 on 05/23/17 at 8:55 pm

I don't necessarily agree, but I do think that the 10s have been in a gradual state of decline since 2013. The early 10s were amazing and definitely do feel a bit removed from today's culture, which is clearly the twilight of the Millennial era. The mid 10s, however, were yesterday.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/23/17 at 9:00 pm


Just the mood of everything makes the early and mid 2010s seem very distant.
Here are a few of my points why I think this.


Donald Trump is President
When Donald became President in late 2016 you could almost feel the mood of the decade
change in an instant.


It was definitely significant that Trump was actually elected President, but the sociopolitical climate was building up to this polarized, rancid point for several years this decade.


Bombing in Manchester/ Times Square Attack
Last week Times square had an attack where a man ran over
many people. It is very scary because this happened in TIMES SQUARE.
The Bombing last night at the Ariana Grande concert has never happened before.
I do not recall any POP concert having a bomb blow up and killing many innocent children.


There have been plenty of other terrorist attacks at public events earlier this decade. This type of thing was a frequent fear in the 90s and 2000s, as well. Focusing specifically on the 2010s, there was already the Boston Marathon Bombing in 2013 and the Paris Bombing of 2015, for example. Tragedies at music concerts aren't unheard of either, from Dimebag Darrell, to Christina Grimmie, to Great White, to Woodstock '99.

Music is changing

There is this new chopped screwed effect to peoples vocals in POP songs.

Chopping and screwing has been a trend since the mid 2000s. will.i.am-produced songs, for example, used this effect quite a bit during the late 2000s and early 2010s.

Generation Z seems to be taking over. Here are the NEW artists of Generation Z
that seem to be taking over.


We don't know for certain yet what distinguishes Generation Z from millennials. Right now, high schoolers culturally blend with collegiate and post-collegiate people.

Chainsmokers

They've been famous since 2014.

Harry Styles -  Debut album was a smash

So far, this seems like the only really distinguishably late 2010s singer so far, but I'm not confident how much he represents Gen-Z.

Halsey

She tries to represent the millennial generation more than anything else.

Noah Cyrus

So far, he still looks more like Aaron Carter and Cody Simpson than Michael Jackson.

Camilla Cabello- Her new song even Samples Genie in a Bottle

So far, she's known for sampling songs from 1999, an early millennial year for popular culture.

Also I will note EDM is pretty much a non factor beyond festivals at this point.


Maybe uptempo EDM, but not the slower, "Shape of You,", "Work," etc. brand.


Backlash against GRITTY TV/Movies
I have noticed on forums people are getting sick of the gritty AMC/HBO type of shows.


They're still dominant. Same with MCU binge-watch-ready series.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/23/17 at 9:08 pm


So far, he still looks more like Aaron Carter and Cody Simpson than Michael Jackson.

Noah Cyrus is a female ;D. She's the younger and only biological sister of Miley Cyrus. Also, Noah Cyrus is only 17 years old (she was born January 8, 2000).

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: John Titor on 05/23/17 at 9:09 pm


It was definitely significant that Trump was actually elected President, but the sociopolitical climate was building up to this polarized, rancid point for several years this decade.

There have been plenty of other terrorist attacks at public events earlier this decade. This type of thing was a frequent fear in the 90s and 2000s, as well. Focusing specifically on the 2010s, there was already the Boston Marathon Bombing in 2013 and the Paris Bombing of 2015, for example. Tragedies at music concerts aren't unheard of either, from Dimebag Darrell, to Christina Grimmie, to Great White, to Woodstock '99.

Chopping and screwing has been a trend since the mid 2000s. will.i.am-produced songs, for example, used this effect quite a bit during the late 2000s and early 2010s.

We don't know for certain yet what distinguishes Generation Z from millennials. Right now, high schoolers culturally blend with collegiate and post-collegiate people.

They've been famous since 2014.

So far, this seems like the only really distinguishably late 2010s singer so far, but I'm not confident how much he represents Gen-Z.

She tries to represent the millennial generation more than anything else.

So far, he still looks more like Aaron Carter and Cody Simpson than Michael Jackson.

So far, she's known for sampling songs from 1999, an early millennial year for popular culture.

Maybe uptempo EDM, but not the slower, "Shape of You,", "Work," etc. brand.

They're still dominant. Same with MCU binge-watch-ready series.


the chopping and screwing of choruses is becoming a big trend this year tho, almost every song I hear has that effect.
It may have been invented way back, but 2016/2017 is when I noticed it was a big trend.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/23/17 at 9:41 pm


Noah Cyrus is a female ;D. She's the younger and only biological sister of Miley Cyrus. Also, Noah Cyrus is only 17 years old (she was born January 8, 2000).


Same celebrity status, though, as much as I can't get used to Noah also turning out to be a girl's name in some cases. She can't even reach Ashlee Simpson or Solange Knowles levels of success.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/23/17 at 10:18 pm


Same celebrity status, though, as much as I can't get used to Noah also turning out to be a girl's name in some cases. She can't even reach Ashlee Simpson or Solange Knowles levels of success.

I'm not debating whether she will reach that status....I was just correcting you ;D.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/23/17 at 10:29 pm

This all feels like a continuation of 2013.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: John Titor on 05/24/17 at 8:38 am


This all feels like a continuation of 2013.


For me it feels like where at the last grasp of mid 2010s culture that started from 2013.
You can really feel it. It is not 100% the last grasp but you can get a good idea things are ending.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/24/17 at 11:05 am


For me it feels like where at the last grasp of mid 2010s culture that started from 2013.
You can really feel it. It is not 100% the last grasp but you can get a good idea things are ending.


2008 was when the flame was a spark, 2013 is when there was a small fire, 2015 is when the fire turned medium, later on we will see a huge fire.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Lizardmatum on 05/24/17 at 11:08 am

I agree actually! Not necessarily with all your points but I do think we are coming to the end of the mid 10's. I was just listening to music from 2008 to 2016 the other and remembering the vibes of those years (even though the 2013 to 2016 are like yesterday) and feeling that 2017 does feel different even though pretty much nothing has changed in my personal life since 2014. I think it's very possible that we will see a new overall pop cultural atmosphere coming to fruition by the end of the year. It really does feel like the last gasp of the mid 2010's

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/17 at 7:22 pm

Yeah I agree. 2016 is also part of the late 2010s if you ask me. We've been in the era for about a year now. We will probably have a little more than one year left of this era, and then we will move on to the early '20s in late 2018. Yeah things are a little different since 2015. I would probably say 2014 and 2012 were a little more distant to each other, but even they weren't that far apart from each other. This entire decade has been very consistent!

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/17 at 7:28 pm


Chopping and screwing has been a trend since the mid 2000s. will.i.am-produced songs, for example, used this effect quite a bit during the late 2000s and early 2010s.

Incorrect. It was not constantly on the radio like it is today. I can name 10 songs with this effect in this past year, you couldn't do that in the 2000s. It is a distinct "screwy" effect, as the OP pointed out. Nothing like I ever heard before. Like in Selena Gomez and Kygo's "It Ain't Me". Music has been changing quite a bit this past year.


They've been famous since 2014.

They have not been famous since 2014. One popular song does not warrant "fame". They started getting big last year. You only heard one hit from them in 2014, and about 10 hits from them in 2016-2017.


2008 was when the flame was a spark, 2013 is when there was a small fire, 2015 is when the fire turned medium, later on we will see a huge fire.

2008 was like a huge fire, 2013 was like a very small fire, 2015/2016 was like a small spark, then later probably another huge fire.  ;D


It really does feel like the last gasp of the mid 2010's

Yup we still have a couple mid 2010s holdovers that may actually stick around until the end of the decade (hopefully sooner so we can see real change). Just like some early 2010s holdovers have still stuck around now.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: John Titor on 05/24/17 at 7:37 pm


Yeah I agree. 2016 is also part of the late 2010s if you ask me. We've been in the era for about a year now. We will probably have a little more than one year left of this era, and then we will move on to the early '20s in late 2018. Yeah things are a little different since 2015. I would probably say 2014 and 2012 were a little more distant to each other, but even they weren't that far apart from each other. This entire decade has been very consistent!


agree with pretty much everything you said, however Ill put late 2016 as the part of the 2010s that started the change. I will also say 2017 will be the last year did have any feel of the mid 2010s. I would say we are going to look back on early May 2017 as the last month of the 2010s that had any kind of mid 10s vibe. 2014 & 2012 feel like different worlds.


You can feel right now change is in the air, the current crop of artists catering to GEN Z are taking over the gen y artists. Lady Gaga, Taylor yet while still popular their popularity
has waned alot. More people are excited about Camilla Cabello than KAty Perry/

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 05/24/17 at 9:38 pm

I would agree completely.  However, the change occurred after we crossed into 2017.  ALL of 2016 was still predominantly mid-10s, despite the drama surrounding the 2016 election.  2016 was in many ways the last hurrah of what I will call the Obama era.  That general culture, though there was differences between the early '10s and mid '10s, lasted roughly from 2009 through the very beginning of 2017.

In addition to music changing (and becoming better again in my opinion), we are seeing fatigue with many of the culture trends that defined most of the '10s, such as dystopian young-adult fiction movies, the Marvel Cinematic Universe (still popular but it doesn't seem as dominant as it has been over the course of much of this decade), SJW culture, hipsters, etc.  It also seems like we are seeing the last hurrah of many of the teen fashion brands that defined the '00s.  Stores like A&F, Aeropostale, American Eagle, etc are all in bad shape and many of their ilk have already folded.  We are in a reactionary culture that is a backlash against what most of this decade has been so far.  I think by the time we get to 2020, we will look back on the Obama era very fondly and it will seem like a carefree time, despite the fact that the second half of it really wasn't.  In reality, it seems like the world of my young adulthood is fading away.  I really wish my parents hadn't manipulated me to move back to this conservative town to do ex-gay conversion therapy and I actually could have enjoyed the mid '10s.  It was an individualistic time and a great time to experiment.

I am predicting late '10s culture will last from 2017 through 2020 or 2021.  It's neither core '10s nor '20s.  In many ways, I think it might be compared to the Carter '70s.  The Carter '70s were quite different from most of the decade.  Disco was popular, gender norms were becoming blurred, and the national mood was very pessimistic and tense.  I think we are heading now in the beginning of another such period.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/24/17 at 9:59 pm

In addition to music changing (and becoming better again in my opinion),

How would you say music is any different now compared to last year or even 2015? Harry Styles is really the only distinguishing factor thus far as I've seen it.

we are seeing fatigue with many of the culture trends that defined most of the '10s, such as dystopian young-adult fiction movies, the Marvel Cinematic Universe (still popular but it doesn't seem as dominant as it has been over the course of much of this decade)

What do you feel has replaced them? It seems to me like 2017's movie climate is just more classic 2010s. The biggest hits we've had so far are Guardians Vol. 2 (MCU sequel to an iconic mid-2010s blockbuster), Logan (superhero flick), the live action Beauty and the Beast (another entry in the live action Disney/fantasy blockbuster craze that started with Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland), and the Lego Batman Movie (a sort of sequel to one of the biggest movies of 2014).

SJW culture, hipsters, etc.

Probably it's much harder for you to see these where you live right now. To my experience in a large city, SJW is still as fervent as ever and fashion is still very nu-male/hipster/tattoo-rebel.

It also seems like we are seeing the last hurrah of many of the teen fashion brands that defined the '00s.  Stores like A&F, Aeropostale, American Eagle, etc are all in bad shape and many of their ilk have already folded.  We are in a reactionary culture that is a backlash against what most of this decade has been so far.  I think by the time we get to 2020, we will look back on the Obama era very fondly and it will seem like a carefree time, despite the fact that the second half of it really wasn't.  In reality, it seems like the world of my young adulthood is fading away.  I really wish my parents hadn't manipulated me to move back to this conservative town to do ex-gay conversion therapy and I actually could have enjoyed the mid '10s.  It was an individualistic time and a great time to experiment.

I'm confident you'll be fine once you finally get the chance to escape your hellhole of a hometown, regardless of all the damage Trump and Pence allow to transpire. Just give it time, and you'll find plenty of folks who will give you sanctuary.

I am predicting late '10s culture will last from 2017 through 2020 or 2021.  It's neither core '10s nor '20s.  In many ways, I think it might be compared to the Carter '70s.  The Carter '70s were quite different from most of the decade.  Disco was popular, gender norms were becoming blurred, and the national mood was very pessimistic and tense.  I think we are heading now in the beginning of another such period.


The "Carter" era as you described it started more in 1975 though, in the midst of the Ford administration. I think similarly the dour social climate we're in now was already pretty heavily established in 2015, but has just manifested itself more concretely by now.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/17 at 11:49 pm


I would agree completely.  However, the change occurred after we crossed into 2017.  ALL of 2016 was still predominantly mid-10s, despite the drama surrounding the 2016 election.  2016 was in many ways the last hurrah of what I will call the Obama era.  That general culture, though there was differences between the early '10s and mid '10s, lasted roughly from 2009 through the very beginning of 2017.

In addition to music changing (and becoming better again in my opinion), we are seeing fatigue with many of the culture trends that defined most of the '10s, such as dystopian young-adult fiction movies, the Marvel Cinematic Universe (still popular but it doesn't seem as dominant as it has been over the course of much of this decade), SJW culture, hipsters, etc.  It also seems like we are seeing the last hurrah of many of the teen fashion brands that defined the '00s.  Stores like A&F, Aeropostale, American Eagle, etc are all in bad shape and many of their ilk have already folded.  We are in a reactionary culture that is a backlash against what most of this decade has been so far.  I think by the time we get to 2020, we will look back on the Obama era very fondly and it will seem like a carefree time, despite the fact that the second half of it really wasn't.  In reality, it seems like the world of my young adulthood is fading away.  I really wish my parents hadn't manipulated me to move back to this conservative town to do ex-gay conversion therapy and I actually could have enjoyed the mid '10s.  It was an individualistic time and a great time to experiment.

I am predicting late '10s culture will last from 2017 through 2020 or 2021.  It's neither core '10s nor '20s.  In many ways, I think it might be compared to the Carter '70s.  The Carter '70s were quite different from most of the decade.  Disco was popular, gender norms were becoming blurred, and the national mood was very pessimistic and tense.  I think we are heading now in the beginning of another such period.

I think the changes started in 2016 because the music changed slightly and Brexit happened

Music is NOT better now that in the mid '10s... It's much worse, in 2016 we had some of the worst songs and they came from Ariana Grande. And now music has not changed that much from last year and we have very bad trap songs. Only a couple songs on the radio are tolerable. Most are really bad to my ears. It is however, much better than early 2010s music. The early 2010s (2010 - 2012) had the worst music in history in my opinion.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/24/17 at 11:52 pm


I think the changes started in 2016 because the music changed slightly and Brexit happened

Music is NOT better now that in the mid '10s... It's much worse, in 2016 we had some of the worst songs and they came from Ariana Grande. And now music has not changed that much from last year and we have very bad trap songs. Only a couple songs on the radio are tolerable. Most are really bad to my ears. It is however, much better than early 2010s music. The early 2010s (2010 - 2012) had the worst music in history in my opinion.


What's better now than the 2010s? How exactly has music improved?
I think early 10s music was a lot better than we have now.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/17 at 11:54 pm


The early 10s had people like Lady Gaga, Adele, Katy Perry and Ke$ha. I prefer that to now.

How? Those are horrible artists with awful songs... Kesha??? She's like one of the worst. She seems like she makes noise in her songs and is an awful singer. The only one that is good is Adele but she was an exception, most of the other music was really bad.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/24/17 at 11:56 pm


How? Those are horrible artists with awful songs... Kesha??? She's like one of the worst. She just makes noise in her songs. The only one that is good is Adele but she was an exception, most of the other music was really bad.


They were songs you could dance and sing along to. I'm not saying they were the best in the world but far better than now. Now I don't know any songs I can sing along to.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/17 at 11:59 pm


They were songs you could dance and sing along to. I'm not saying they were the best in the world but far better than now. Now I don't know any songs I can sing along to.

Yeah but for me, I dont like music without meaning. Dancing to a song with bad lyrics and no good meaning is not nice to me. Having said that, if I were to dance to a song, the beats of the songs by Kesha honestly didn't appeal to me. I'd rather dance to Chainsmoker's Selfie because it has a dope beat. Kesha and other artist's production in the early '10s did not have a style that I even liked dancing to, something about it felt forced, overproduced, and artificial.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 05/25/17 at 12:05 am


I think the changes started in 2016 because the music changed slightly and Brexit happened

Music is NOT better now that in the mid '10s... It's much worse, in 2016 we had some of the worst songs and they came from Ariana Grande. And now music has not changed that much from last year and we have very bad trap songs. Only a couple songs on the radio are tolerable. Most are really bad to my ears. It is however, much better than early 2010s music. The early 2010s (2010 - 2012) had the worst music in history in my opinion.


I think you and me just don't agree on music.  2009-2012 had the best music of my life in my opinion.  2013 and 2014 had the worst.  2015 was a little better.  2016 was quite "bleh" but it did have its bright spots.  So far, I have liked the music of 2017 better than any year since 2012.  I don't like Ariana Grande, but I've really liked quite a bit of the stuff that's come out this year.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Foo Bar on 05/25/17 at 12:36 am




Donald Trump is President


WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN US?

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QWlIGCCiztA/Vv18Kk0mV2I/AAAAAAAAB5c/ra4UKZ5Von4QEQDQgbQTTqauPVSmh63UQ/s1600/timetravel16_03.jpg

Oh, right, it would haveen like Marty McFly telling Doc that Reagan was President, and it wouldn't have changed anything anyways, even if we had figured out the part that wasn't drawn to scale.  Anyways, thanks for trying, JT!

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/25/17 at 12:54 am


I think you and me just don't agree on music.  2009-2012 had the best music of my life in my opinion.  2013 and 2014 had the worst.  2015 was a little better.  2016 was quite "bleh" but it did have its bright spots.  So far, I have liked the music of 2017 better than any year since 2012.  I don't like Ariana Grande, but I've really liked quite a bit of the stuff that's come out this year.

Fair enough. I guess I'm just into less upbeat songs. Many of them sound overproduced to me.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/25/17 at 12:56 am


They were songs you could dance and sing along to. I'm not saying they were the best in the world but far better than now. Now I don't know any songs I can sing along to.

I would never like singing along to those songs.  8-P Even crap from Fifth Harmony is more listenable and easier to sing along to than Kesha and early Lady Gaga, and that's saying a lot! lol

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/25/17 at 12:58 am


Yeah but for me, I dont like music without meaning. Dancing to a song with bad lyrics and no good meaning is not nice to me. Having said that, if I were to dance to a song, the beats of the songs by Kesha honestly didn't appeal to me. I'd rather dance to Chainsmoker's Selfie because it has a dope beat. Kesha and other artist's production in the early '10s did not have a style that I even liked dancing to, something about it felt forced, overproduced, and artificial.


How do the Chainsmokers songs have meaning? late 2008-2012 had the best songs of the "10s".
The rest of the decade is a giant bland bore where nothing stands out. Everything's too chopped up and downbeat. No energy.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/25/17 at 1:03 am


How do the Chainsmokers songs have meaning? late 2008-2012 had the best songs of the "10s".
The rest of the decade is a giant bland bore where nothing stands out. Everything's too chopped up and downbeat. No energy.

I never said they had meaning. I said I would rather dance to it than the sound of the early '10s which is much more inferior. Chainsmokers have way better beats. Although even the Chainsmokers have slightly better lyrical content these days than the stuff from the early '10s.

The mid part of the decade on the whole had a lot more meaningful songs on the charts. And it had a lot more catchier songs on the charts. The early '10s were the worst of the worst, meaningless and not very catchy, just annoying and all the songs sounded the same.

2008-2012 had the WORST songs in history. It was absolutely the worst time for music by far. 2000s were better, and mid 2010s were better and all other periods were better. I am so glad we are past that era in music.  8-P Why do you like Kesha's music so much? I know I'm not the only one who complained about her and thought her music was garbage. Same as early Lady Gaga. I can't even dance to those songs. Now Lady Gaga is releasing songs like "A Million Reasons" which ain't that bad!

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/25/17 at 1:08 am

I'd take 2008 or 2009 songs over anything now. What's so meaningful about the mid 10s? I think 2008-2011 Gaga was her absolute peak. I also like her songs with Tony Bennett but that's besides the point. 

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/25/17 at 1:16 am


I'd take 2008 or 2009 songs over anything now. What's so meaningful about the mid 10s?

It's a lot more real and raw to me, and this is partly thanks to the hipster movement. It brought a lot of songs that got popular for more real content and talking about real issues like from artists like Lorde, Macklemore, Meghan Trainor, and more. Not all of the songs were meaningful because mainstream music is never the best. But even poppy stuff like from Taylor Swift, as annoying as her songs were at least she wasn't singing about sexual stuff and partying like the content was in the early 2010s for the most part. It was a lot more listenable. Also the underground movement prospered also thanks to the hipster movement, The party songs and dubstep from the early 2010s made my ears bleed. It felt so fake and forced. The only thing from the mid 2010s I wasn't totally into was Trap, but at least it was mixed with other genres so it made music more diverse rather than 90% of the songs being electropop from the early part of the decade.

By the way, you are not alone on this forum for liking early 2010s music. I think the only other person on here who likes mid 2010s music is Slowpoke, but he also like early 2010s music. So I'm probably the only one on this forum who hate early 2010s music haha.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/25/17 at 1:38 am

Speaking of music, in my opinion Uptown Funk is the best mainstream song of this decade!

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 05/25/17 at 2:06 am


So I'm probably the only one on this forum who hate early 2010s music haha.


I hate Early 2010s music as well, however I also equally hate Mid 2010s music.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: aspireone on 05/25/17 at 8:38 am


I think the changes started in 2016 because the music changed slightly and Brexit happened

Music is NOT better now that in the mid '10s... It's much worse, in 2016 we had some of the worst songs and they came from Ariana Grande. And now music has not changed that much from last year and we have very bad trap songs. Only a couple songs on the radio are tolerable. Most are really bad to my ears. It is however, much better than early 2010s music. The early 2010s (2010 - 2012) had the worst music in history in my opinion.


I honestly think Ariana had one of the best  chart-topping pop songs of 2016 1ekZEVeXwek

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/25/17 at 8:48 am


It's a lot more real and raw to me, and this is partly thanks to the hipster movement. It brought a lot of songs that got popular for more real content and talking about real issues like from artists like Lorde, Macklemore, Meghan Trainor, and more. Not all of the songs were meaningful because mainstream music is never the best. But even poppy stuff like from Taylor Swift, as annoying as her songs were at least she wasn't singing about sexual stuff and partying like the content was in the early 2010s for the most part. It was a lot more listenable. Also the underground movement prospered also thanks to the hipster movement, The party songs and dubstep from the early 2010s made my ears bleed. It felt so fake and forced. The only thing from the mid 2010s I wasn't totally into was Trap, but at least it was mixed with other genres so it made music more diverse rather than 90% of the songs being electropop from the early part of the decade.

By the way, you are not alone on this forum for liking early 2010s music. I think the only other person on here who likes mid 2010s music is Slowpoke, but he also like early 2010s music. So I'm probably the only one on this forum who hate early 2010s music haha.


Songs from them are good but when I listen to the radio, all I hear is very slow choppy EDM or trap music. They try to play the same songs over and over and over too. Almost all of these songs seem to blur together to me.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/25/17 at 9:05 am


I think you and me just don't agree on music.  2009-2012 had the best music of my life in my opinion.  2013 and 2014 had the worst.  2015 was a little better.  2016 was quite "bleh" but it did have its bright spots.  So far, I have liked the music of 2017 better than any year since 2012.  I don't like Ariana Grande, but I've really liked quite a bit of the stuff that's come out this year.


You skipped over my last post here, so I'll ask again, how is 2017 music any stylistically different from mid-2010s music besides Harry Styles?

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/25/17 at 9:22 am

I want good songs again like we have in the 70s and 80s.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 05/25/17 at 10:37 am


I want good songs again like we have in the 70s and 80s.


Not all of what came out in that time period was great. If I hear one more Foreigner song (besides "Long, Long Way From Home"), I will punch through a wall. A good amount of the disco was redundant and dull (though I can respect anything The Bee Gees put out), some of the "classic" radio rock are ruined by overplay, etc.
I think the mid-late 80s through late 90s, and mid 60s through early-mid 70s, were the two main golden eras for music. I'm talking Nirvana, Alice In Chains and Soundgarden... The Who, Pink Floyd and The Beatles. The late 70s was dragged down by the disco craze and crappy radio rock (ala Foreigner, Bad Company and Toto's Hold The Line, with Toto's Africa ironically being one of the finest rock tunes to come out of the 80s). 

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/25/17 at 11:48 am


Not all of what came out in that time period was great. If I hear one more Foreigner song (besides "Long, Long Way From Home"), I will punch through a wall. A good amount of the disco was redundant and dull (though I can respect anything The Bee Gees put out), some of the "classic" radio rock are ruined by overplay, etc.
I think the mid-late 80s through late 90s, and mid 60s through early-mid 70s, were the two main golden eras for music. I'm talking Nirvana, Alice In Chains and Soundgarden... The Who, Pink Floyd and The Beatles. The late 70s was dragged down by the disco craze and crappy radio rock (ala Foreigner, Bad Company and Toto's Hold The Line, with Toto's Africa ironically being one of the finest rock tunes to come out of the 80s).


Those periods of music you mention are also great. I'd like to say I'd take the Bee Gees all day over anything on the radio now. I'd also take Foreigner over today's music.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/25/17 at 12:38 pm


You skipped over my last post here, so I'll ask again, how is 2017 music any stylistically different from mid-2010s music besides Harry Styles?

I already explained this. Dancehall, this style of EDM with chopped chorus effects, new artists from this year, all didn't exist in mainstream music in 2015 and they are popular now and in 2016. It is slightly different, all you have to do is listen to the Billboard hot 100 now and compare it to 2015 to see the difference. Songs sound slightly more futuristic. Not a major difference but still noticeable. The Chainsmokers did not make their big breakthrough in 2014, they did last year as they had 10 hits and a song that was number one for over 10 weeks. As I said before, the only thing that truly stayed the same is Trap.

I can go further than this. The number one song on the chart right now is a Spanish song and there hasn't even been a Spanish song in the top 10 in over 20 years since the Macarena. Then we have more R&B from DJ Khaled and his features, I wouldn't hear "I'm The One" anywhere in 2015 and it's like the number 3 song. Then there is Kendrick Lamar who is drifting the style away from trap. At most I see a lot more variety im the charts now.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/25/17 at 1:27 pm


I already explained this. Dancehall, this style of EDM with chopped chorus effects, new artists from this year, all didn't exist in mainstream music in 2015 and they are popular now and in 2016. It is slightly different, all you have to do is listen to the Billboard hot 100 now and compare it to 2015 to see the difference. Songs sound slightly more futuristic. Not a major difference but still noticeable. The Chainsmokers did not make their big breakthrough in 2014, they did last year as they had 10 hits and a song that was number one for over 10 weeks. As I said before, the only thing that truly stayed the same is Trap.


I was referring to bchris02, not you. But I still disagree with your points. Chopping and screwing is not at all a new phenomenon, just as autotune was nothing groundbreaking when it was used in Chris Brown's "Forever" in 2008. Also, the number of new artists is relatively miniscule this year compared to others. Besides Machine Gun Kelly and Camila Cabello, who bring little new to music, and Harry Styles, who is fresher but already garnered fame as part of One Direction, it's still mostly singers from the early and mid-2010s dominating the streaming outlets. The Chainsmokers may have shaken off their one hit wonder title since last year, but even their newer stuff isn't that different from the typical sound of 2015, i.e., "Lean On."

I can go further than this. The number one song on the chart right now is a Spanish song and there hasn't even been a Spanish song in the top 10 in over 20 years since the Macarena.

First off, were you in a coma from 1999 to 2005? Second, Pitbull. Third, late 2014's "Bailando."

Then we have more R&B from DJ Khaled and his features, I wouldn't hear "I'm The One" anywhere in 2015 and it's like the number 3 song. Then there is Kendrick Lamar who is drifting the style away from trap. At most I see a lot more variety im the charts now.


Kendrick isn't any less trap on DAMN. than he was on To Pimp a Butterfly. The mid-2010s had plenty of r&b songs.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/25/17 at 1:59 pm


I was referring to bchris02, not you. But I still disagree with your points. Chopping and screwing is not at all a new phenomenon, just as autotune was nothing groundbreaking when it was used in Chris Brown's "Forever" in 2008.

It doesn't matter who you are referring to, it is the same explanation. Again, wrong - This EDM style with the chopping was NOT popular in pop songs as it is now. Selena Gomez/Tygo - It ain't Me, Down - Mariam Hill, Kiara - Gold, and more. This EDM effect is popular now, and was NOT popular the same way as it is now in the 2000s. The EDM effect Justin Bieber for example uses was not popular in 2015. Dancehall was definitely NOT popular in 2015. That got popular in 2016 with Drake, Rihanna, Sia, and now Ed Sheeran is using it. And why do you keep bringing Forever up? I brought up the song once months ago and now you keep bringing it up for some reason.... Just move on from that already.

Also, the number of new artists is relatively miniscule this year compared to others. Besides Machine Gun Kelly and Camila Cabello, who bring little new to music, and Harry Styles, who is fresher but already garnered fame as part of One Direction, it's still mostly singers from the early and mid-2010s dominating the streaming outlets. The Chainsmokers may have shaken off their one hit wonder title since last year, but even their newer stuff isn't that different from the typical sound of 2015, i.e., "Lean On."

Lean On was one of the only songs that had the EDM sound in 2015. Songs were not mostly EDM in 2015, and in 2016-2017 they are. Those new artists you mentioned are pretty groundbreaking but you forgot Noah Cyrus, Julia Michaels, Alessia Cara, and MORE.


First off, were you in a coma from 1999 to 2005? Second, Pitbull. Third, late 2014's "Bailando."

Look it up if you don't believe me... There hasn't been a top 10 song in Spanish since the '90s... Why you mentioning Pitbull's song if it never reached top 10? Let alone top 1? And the other song? Please read what I wrote. I didn't say "no spanish song in the chart" and again, look it up if you don't believe me. Why are you saying I was in a coma and bringing up something that has NOTHING to do with what I said? There was not ONE Spanish song in the top 10 (let alone top 1) since the Macarena in the 1990s, and that's a fact that YOU CAN LOOK UP.

Kendrick isn't any less trap on DAMN. than he was on To Pimp a Butterfly. The mid-2010s had plenty of r&b songs.

we are taling about popular music... Kendrick Lamar wasn't as popular in the mid '10s as he is now on the charts. And he isn't trap... Humble is almost the opposite of trap. The mid 2010s did not have plenty of R&B besides the Weeknd which he only got really popular in 2015... Now he's everywhere along with Dj Khaled.

I am not sure why it is hard for you to accept that music has changed slightly. The evidence is right in front of you and really we don't need to explain it when you can turn on the radio and hear the music for yourself.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/25/17 at 2:22 pm


It doesn't matter who you are referring to, it is the same explanation.


I just wanted bchris02's perspective over the matter in particular. His reasoning is likely different than yours.

Again, wrong - This EDM style with the chopping was NOT popular in pop songs as it is now. Selena Gomez/Tygo - It ain't Me, Down - Mariam Hill, Kiara - Gold, and more. This EDM effect is popular now, and was NOT popular the same way as it is now in the 2000s.

Here's the Wikipedia article about chopped and screwed. It doesn't even mention the trend's popularity in the 2010s. Slowing down vocals has been used in a lot of pop songs for years now, i.e. "Scream and Shout" in 2012.

Dancehall was definitely NOT popular in 2015. That got popular in 2016 ewith Sia, Drake, Rihanna, and now Ed Sheeran is using it.

That type of sound was pretty familiar to me in 2016, I don't remember 2015 music really being that different.

And why do you keep bringing Forever up? I brought up the song once months ago and now you keep bringing it up for some reason.... Just move on from that already.

I mention it because your type of argument for chopped and screwed being this revolutionary trend from 2016 is just as biased as your extreme focus on auto-tune blowing up in 2008 and thus launching us into a new era of music.

Lean On was one of the only songs that had the EDM sound in 2015. Songs were not mostly EDM in 2015, and in 2016-2017 they are. Those new artists you mentioned are pretty groundbreaking but you forgot Noah Cyrus, Julia Michaels, Alessia Cara, and MORE.

EDM has been really common for most of this decade now, it's more just that uptempo songs like "Feel So Close" aren't nearly as popular anymore.

Look it up if you don't believe me... There hasn't been a top 10 song in Spanish since the '90s... Why you mentioning Pitbull's song if it never reached top 10? Let alone top 1? Please read what I wrote. I didn't say "no spanish song in the chart" and again, look it up if you don't believe me. Why are you saying I was in a coma and bringing up something that has NOTHING to do with what I said? There was not ONE Spanish song in the top 10 (let alone top 1) since the Macarena in the 1990s, and that's a fact that YOU CAN LOOK UP.

First off, thank you for being so forceful. Secondly, I was referring to the Latin pop craze that started with "Livin' La Vida Loca" in 1999 and continued well into the 2000s, eventually culminating in reggaeton songs like "Oye Mi Canto" and "Gasolina" becoming international hits. I know most of these Spanish-language tracks also have a lot of English lyrics, but guess what? "Macarena," or at least the most famous version of it (the Bayside Boys Remix), also has lots of English lyrics, with only the chorus being sung in Spanish. It's no more "Spanish," in that regard, than "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)," "Bailamos," "Obsession (No Es Amor)," or "Bailando," and the like.

we are taling about popular music... Kendrick Lamar wasn't as popular in the mid '10s as he is now on the charts.

That's not true, he's been one of the most respected rappers since good kid, m.A.A.d. city, and To Pimp a Butterfly was nominated for Album of the Year. Even if we're focusing strictly on hit singles, he was featured on Taylor Swift's #1 hit "Bad Blood" in 2015.

And he isn't trap... Humble is almost the opposite of trap.

"HUMBLE." sounds more like a renaissance of mid-late 2000s crunk music more than anything. "DNA." and "LOYALTY." are still pretty trappy, imo.

The mid 2010s did not have plenty of R&B besides the Weeknd which he only got really popular in 2015... Now he's everywhere along with Dj Khaled.


I rest my case.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 05/25/17 at 2:38 pm


Those periods of music you mention are also great. I'd like to say I'd take the Bee Gees all day over anything on the radio now. I'd also take Foreigner over today's music.


I'd probably take Foreigner over today's Top 40 myself, but I got burned out on them long ago. I meant to say that The Bee Gees are one of the few disco acts (besides Donna Summer, if you'd call her disco) that I can actually fully enjoy the same way I enjoy The Who or Alice In Chains.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/25/17 at 2:40 pm



Here's the Wikipedia article about chopped and screwed. It doesn't even mention the trend's popularity in the 2010s. Slowing down vocals has been used in a lot of pop songs for years now, i.e. "Scream and Shout" in 2012.

Wait, what? You and I are on totally different wavelengths and you are talking about something completely than what I'm talking about. Do you even know the effect on song choruses I am talking about? It doesn't even exist in Scream and Shout in 2012... What does Scream and Shout have anything to do with it? It doesn't exist in any popular song before 2016.... Here are videos to show you the effect I am talking about because I don't think you understand the effect I am talking about. I am talking about the noise in song choruses that get chopped up and mix around, this doesn't exist in Scream and Shout or songs from before... It IS a new phenomenon. Here are the songs, jump to the choruses... This is a new sound. It ONLY started in 2016-2017, this entire EDM sounds is unique to 2016-2017. You cannot tell me you heard this same style of music from a long time ago... Even if you did, they were not high in the charts and in the top 20 like these songs were (and more others).


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EDM has been really common for most of this decade now, it's more just that uptempo songs like "Feel So Close" aren't nearly as popular anymore.

There are different kinds of EDM and the EDM you hear now was not popular in the mid 2010s... You barely heard it anywhere because people got tired of the electropop era. Electropop and EDM are different. In 2013-2015, besides a couple electronic songs, the songs were mainly throwbacks, balads, or teen pop, certainly not the same style of music in 2016. In fact, I distinctly remember a bunch of people on this forum saying how music in 2016 has changed a bit last year. It has changed slightly, not drastically but certainly enough to place it outside of the mid 2010s. And as I mentioned, all mid 2010s music trends have not gone yet. Trap is still huge and that was popular since 2014.


First off, thank you for being so forceful. Secondly, I was referring to the Latin pop craze that started with "Livin' La Vida Loca" in 1999 and continued well into the 2000s, eventually culminating in reggaeton songs like "Oye Mi Canto" and "Gasolina" becoming international hits. I know most of these Spanish-language tracks also have a lot of English lyrics, but guess what? "Macarena," or at least the most famous version of it (the Bayside Boys Remix), also has lots of English lyrics, with only the chorus being sung in Spanish. It's no more "Spanish," in that regard, than "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)," "Bailamos," "Obsession (No Es Amor)," or "Bailando," and the like.

Okay I think it is still pretty significant to have a number one song in all Spanish..



That's not true, he's been one of the most respected rappers since good kid, m.A.A.d. city, and To Pimp a Butterfly was nominated for Album of the Year. Even if we're focusing strictly on hit singles, he was featured on Taylor Swift's #1 hit "Bad Blood" in 2015.

It is true, He himself has not had a number one hit before humble. He was not constantly on the charts in 2015. The fact that a non-trap song went number one is HUGE.


So hopefully this convinced you that music now is different from the mid 2010s.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/25/17 at 2:55 pm

Infinity take a look at these two videos and compare the top songs from 2014 and 2016. Keep in mind when the year end chart comes from 2017, it will sound even more different because we already have songs now in the charts that are different. Can't you notice the clear difference between the two? This is what I'm saying about 2016-2017 music being different from mid 2010s music.
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Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 05/25/17 at 4:02 pm

#Infinity....all I can say as I am liking a lot more of what is on the radio this year compared to 2013-2014 and to a lesser extent 2015-15.  I can't put a finger on exactly what has changed, much like I couldn't put a finger on how mid '10s EDM teen pop was different from electropop until you explained it (hooks and production techniques), but something is different about the sound of much of what is coming out recently.

Music hit rock bottom in 2013 and 2014 and has been slowly improving over the past two years.  It's picked up steam this year in my opinion.


Probably it's much harder for you to see these where you live right now. To my experience in a large city, SJW is still as fervent as ever and fashion is still very nu-male/hipster/tattoo-rebel.

I'm confident you'll be fine once you finally get the chance to escape your hellhole of a hometown, regardless of all the damage Trump and Pence allow to transpire. Just give it time, and you'll find plenty of folks who will give you sanctuary.


This is probably true.  Where I live, Donald Trump is quite popular and SJWs are frowned upon.  Being in an area that is so conservative, I am probably experiencing the worst of the cultural and political tension that the '10s has to offer.  There isn't much other than anger here.  People need to chill out.

Hopefully things unfold so that I can move in 2020.  With Trump at the helm, I am worried about what our country as a whole will look like when we get to 2020.


The "Carter" era as you described it started more in 1975 though, in the midst of the Ford administration. I think similarly the dour social climate we're in now was already pretty heavily established in 2015, but has just manifested itself more concretely by now.


Interesting.  The '70s was definitely a split decade, but I wasn't alive then so I don't know exactly where that split happened.  The first half of the '70s was a continuation of the late '60s.  The second half was its own era that wasn't early '70s nor was it '80s.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Brian06 on 05/25/17 at 7:45 pm

It is basically the same horrible politically dominated junk that we've had since around 2014. It's actually just even worse now with the idiot jerk Trump in there. The ugly politics seems to end up in every discussion and insults are always flying, until this changes it will suck.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/25/17 at 7:47 pm


It is basically the same horrible politically dominated junk that we've had since around 2014. It's actually just even worse now with the idiot jerk Trump in there. The ugly politics seems to end up in every discussion and insults are always flying, until this changes it will suck.

BTW, where in Ohio are you from? (you can give the region of Ohio or the actual town/city)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Brian06 on 05/25/17 at 7:56 pm


BTW, where in Ohio are you from? (you can give the region of Ohio or the actual town/city)


I'm in the Columbus area now but grew up in Cleveland.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/25/17 at 7:58 pm


I'm in the Columbus area now but grew up in Cleveland.

OK cool. I know this is a side note but what are your sports allegiances? (if you have any). Since you live around Columbus but grew up in Cleveland, it would be interesting to here.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Brian06 on 05/25/17 at 8:06 pm


OK cool. I know this is a side note but what are your sports allegiances? (if you have any). Since you live around Columbus but grew up in Cleveland, it would be interesting to here.


All Cleveland of course. The Browns are a lost cause, but if one day they started winning I'd be happy.  ;D Columbus only has hockey and soccer professional anyway. I like Buckeyes college football too though you could say they represent all of Ohio really.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/25/17 at 8:13 pm


All Cleveland of course. The Browns are a lost cause, but if one day they started winning I'd be happy.  ;D Columbus only has hockey and soccer professional anyway. I like Buckeyes college football too though you could say they represent all of Ohio really.

OK ;D. The Browns really are a lost cause (my favorite NFL team has been to 3 Super Bowls in my lifetime and have won 2). How'd you feel about the 2016 World Series? :-X

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Brian06 on 05/25/17 at 8:16 pm


OK ;D. The Browns really are a lost cause (my favorite NFL team has been to 3 Super Bowls in my lifetime and have won 2). How'd you feel about the 2016 World Series? :-X


That was very heartbreaking. I really thought the Indians were going to win last year but sadly choked in the end. I guess at least the Cubs hadn't won since 1908, but still they're in Chicago and Chicago as a city has plenty of championships. The Cavs did win last year though at least.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/25/17 at 8:23 pm


That was very heartbreaking. I really thought the Indians were going to win last year but sadly choked in the end. I guess at least the Cubs hadn't won since 1908, but still they're in Chicago and Chicago as a city has plenty of championships. The Cavs did win last year though at least.

I actually agree with you (I was rooting for the Indians ;D) and congrats to the Cavs. If only the Knicks can end their 44 year championship drought soon and the Rangers can end their 23 year championship drought next year :(.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Brian06 on 05/25/17 at 8:26 pm


I actually agree with you (I was rooting for the Indians ;D) and congrats to the Cavs. If only the Knicks can end their 44 year championship drought soon and the Rangers can end their 23 year championship drought next year :(.


Yeah the Cavs championship was the one great thing that happened last year. Yeah it's strange how much the Knicks have struggled especially considering they're from New York.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/25/17 at 8:32 pm


Yeah the Cavs championship was the one great thing that happened last year. Yeah it's strange how much the Knicks have struggled especially considering they're from New York.

The Knicks have sucked essentially since my birth. The last time the Knicks made it to the Finals was in 1999 (they faced the Spurs and that Finals ended just 2 weeks before I was born). The 1990s was the last time the Knicks were good consistently, the 2000s were a horrible decade for the Knicks (I remember those dark days well). Only 1 winning season in the last 16 years for the Knicks...just sad.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/27/17 at 12:49 am


Why you mentioning Pitbull's song if it never reached top 10? Let alone top 1?


What!? Do you live on Mars!? Pitbull has had tons of number 1 hits! Look at the charts and see for yourself. Even if some aren't at the #1 spot, the rest are all in the top 10; he's probably the biggest artist of the 2010's. He's basically brought Spanish music back to the mainstream after a long drought from the public, too. Many accomplishments that man has made.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 12:54 am


What!? Do you live on Mars!? Pitbull has had tons of number 1 hits! Look at the charts and see for yourself. Even if some aren't at the #1 spot, the rest are all in the top 10; he's probably the biggest artist of the 2010's. He's basically brought Spanish music back to the mainstream after a long drought from the public, too. Many accomplishments that man has made.

We're talking about Spanish songs (songs in the language of Spanish). I read and there hasn't been a Spanish song in the top 10 on Billboard in 20 years. I am not making this up, look it up if you don't believe me.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/27/17 at 1:06 am


We're talking about Spanish songs (songs in the language of Spanish). I read and there hasn't been a Spanish song in the top 10 on Billboard in 20 years. I am not making this up, look it up if you don't believe me.


Then why does Pitbull have a ton of huge Spanish hits?

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 1:17 am


Then why does Pitbull have a ton of huge Spanish hits?

None of his Spanish hits have made the Billboard Top 10.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/27/17 at 1:18 am


None of his Spanish hits have made the Billboard Top 10.


But they have.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 1:21 am


But they have.

No they haven't. The last Spanish song to reach the Billboard top 10 was the Macarena in 1996. As I said, just look it up. A simple search through the history of billboard chart will show you...

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/27/17 at 1:28 am


No they haven't. The last Spanish song to reach the Billboard top 10 was the Macarena in 1996. As I said, just look it up. A simple search through the history of billboard chart will show you...


I did do a search and the answers I've found are the same answers I've given you.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 05/27/17 at 1:30 am


Then why does Pitbull have a ton of huge Spanish hits?


I'm sure he's talking about the Billboard Charts on planet Earth, or at least the U.S.  :-X

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/27/17 at 1:32 am


I'm sure he's talking about the Billboard Charts on planet Earth, or at least the U.S.  :-X


Yes, those are the charts I'm talking about too. I dunno why you continue to deny Pitbull's influence. ::)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 1:34 am


I did do a search and the answers I've found are the same answers I've given you.

Incorrect. There hasn't been a Spanish top 10 song. Pitbull's hits that were in Spanish may have made it to top 20, not top 10.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/27/17 at 1:36 am


Incorrect. There hasn't been a Spanish top 10 song. Pitbull's hits that were in Spanish may have made it to top 20, not top 10.


I guess this song did not hit #2 in 2009 then...

E2tMV96xULk

::)


Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 1:37 am


I guess this song did not hit #2 in 2009 then...

E2tMV96xULk

::)

This is an ENGLISH song. I am talking about songs in Spanish only. What's so hard to understand about that? Look it up. There are no pure Spanish songs in top 10 ever since 1996. Why would I care to lie about this? I heard about this fact a couple weeks ago in an article and I can't find it now.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 05/27/17 at 1:38 am


Yes, those are the charts I'm talking about too. I dunno why you continue to deny Pitbull's influence. ::)


Americans only speak in American. No way there was any Spanish song in the top 10. Which song are you talking about?

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/27/17 at 1:40 am


This is an ENGLISH song. I am talking about songs in Spanish only. What's so hard to understand about that? Look it up. There are no pure Spanish songs in top 10 ever since 1996.


Yes. So these lyrics are all in english.

"One-two-three-four
Uno-do'-tres-cuatro

Rumba (sí)
Ella quiere su rumba (¿cómo?)
Rumba (sí)
Ella quiere su rumba (¿cómo?)

Sí es verdad que tú eres guapa
Yo te voy a poner gozar
Tú tiene la boca grande
Vale ponte a jugar (¿cómo?)"


Americans only speak in American. No way there was any Spanish song in the top 10. Which song are you talking about?


I Know You Want Me was a big Spanish hit. Pitbull has made it once again acceptable for Americans to attempt Spanish. Did you know the rate of Spanish speakers in America has gone up? Why? Because of Pitbull's influence.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 1:42 am


Yes. So these lyrics are all in english.

"One-two-three-four
Uno-do'-tres-cuatro

Rumba (sí)
Ella quiere su rumba (¿cómo?)
Rumba (sí)
Ella quiere su rumba (¿cómo?)

Sí es verdad que tú eres guapa
Yo te voy a poner gozar
Tú tiene la boca grande
Vale ponte a jugar (¿cómo?)"

The song is 50% English, it is NOT a Spanish song...

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 05/27/17 at 1:42 am

So far 2017 feels almost exactly like 2016. But that's just my opinion.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 1:43 am


So far 2017 feels almost exactly like 2016. But that's just my opinion.

It feels pretty much the same as 2016 to me too, at least culturally.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/27/17 at 1:47 am


The song is 50% English, it is NOT a Spanish song...


Let's check out some of the lyrics to "Macarena," then.

I am not trying to seduce you.

When I dance they call me Macarena
And the boys they say que soy buena
They all want me, they can't have me
So they all come and dance beside me

Dale a tu cuerpo alegria Macarena
Que tu cuerpo es pa' darle alegria cosa buena
Dale a tu cuerpo alegria, Macarena
Hey Macarena

Now don't you worry about my boyfriend
The boy whose name is Vitorino
I don't want him, can't stand him
He was no good so I... ha ha ha ha

Now come on, what was I supposed to do?
He was out of town and his two friends were so fine

Come and find me, my name is Macarena
Always at the party con las chicas que son buena
Come join me, dance with me
And all you fellows chant along with me


Aside from the repeated chorus and a few clauses during the verses, "Macarena (Bayside Boys Remix)" is entirely in English. If you exclude repeated words, it's clearly majority English and minority Spanish.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 1:48 am


Let's check out some of the lyrics to "Macarena," then.

I am not trying to seduce you.

When I dance they call me Macarena
And the boys they say que soy buena
They all want me, they can't have me
So they all come and dance beside me

Dale a tu cuerpo alegria Macarena
Que tu cuerpo es pa' darle alegria cosa buena
Dale a tu cuerpo alegria, Macarena
Hey Macarena

Now don't you worry about my boyfriend
The boy whose name is Vitorino
I don't want him, can't stand him
He was no good so I... ha ha ha ha

Now come on, what was I supposed to do?
He was out of town and his two friends were so fine

Come and find me, my name is Macarena
Always at the party con las chicas que son buena
Come join me, dance with me
And all you fellows chant along with me


Aside from the repeated chorus and a few clauses during the verses, "Macarena (Bayside Boys Remix)" is entirely in English.

Okay then explain this....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despacito
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793159/luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-despacito-justin-bieber-number-one

"It became the first song primarily in Spanish to top the Billboard Hot 100 since "Macarena" (Bayside Boys Mix) in 1996"

Are you still gonna claim I'm wrong now???

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/27/17 at 1:49 am


The song is 50% English, it is NOT a Spanish song...


So because it's 50% English, that disqualifies it as a Spanish song? Do the Spanish lyrics cease to exist because of a few English lines?

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 1:50 am


So because it's 50% English, that disqualifies it as a Spanish song? Do the Spanish lyrics cease to exist because of a few English lines?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despacito
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793159/luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-despacito-justin-bieber-number-one
"It became the first song primarily in Spanish to top the Billboard Hot 100 since "Macarena" (Bayside Boys Mix) in 1996"

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/27/17 at 1:51 am


Okay then explain this....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despacito

"It became the first song primarily in Spanish to top the Billboard Hot 100 since "Macarena" (Bayside Boys Mix) in 1996"

Are you still gonna claim I'm wrong now???


Yes because I just literally proved "Macarena (Bayside Boys Remix)" is more English than Spanish. Wikipedia summaries are often subjective, but even so, it's only referring to songs that topped the Hot 100, regardless of whether or not they were still big hits in the United States.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 1:51 am


Yes because I just literally proved "Macarena (Bayside Boys Remix)" is more English than Spanish. Wikipedia summaries are often subjective.

Did you see my second non-Wikipedia article?
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793159/luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-despacito-justin-bieber-number-one

It says "The song is the first mostly Spanish-language No. 1 since "Macarena" in 1996 & makes Bieber the first artist ever to earn new No. 1s in back-to-back weeks."

This is what I've been saying since the start. Like I said, I didn't make it up.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/27/17 at 1:53 am


Did you see my second non-Wikipedia article?
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793159/luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-despacito-justin-bieber-number-one


It's only "primarily" Spanish if you count every repeat of the chorus as part of the Spanish percentage. If you only count the chorus once, it's majority English.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/27/17 at 1:54 am


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despacito
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793159/luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-despacito-justin-bieber-number-one
"It became the first song primarily in Spanish to top the Billboard Hot 100 since "Macarena" (Bayside Boys Mix) in 1996"


Pitbull's song has enough Spanish lyrics for it to be considered a Spanish song. It's main theme is that of Spanish culture and you can tell just by looking at the title and listening to the beat he uses. It is a Spanish song in sound and lyrics.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 05/27/17 at 1:55 am


It's only "primarily" Spanish if you count every repeat of the chorus as part of the Spanish percentage. If you only count the chorus once, it's majority English.

Well I don't know what to say to this because I simply made my comment because I read it from an article and that's where I got it from. The specifics of what they are talking about wasn't a concern to me. The point of the matter is, it is a significant trend for a change in music.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/27/17 at 2:05 am


Well I don't know what to say to this because I simply made my comment because I read it from an article and that's where I got it from. The specifics of what they are talking about wasn't a concern to me. The point of the matter is, it is a significant trend for a change in music.


It could be just as big of a go-nowhere novelty as "Macarena" was in 1996. It's still too early to declare "Despacito" the next "Livin' La Vida Loca."

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 05/27/17 at 9:38 am


I Know You Want Me was a big Spanish hit. Pitbull has made it once again acceptable for Americans to attempt Spanish. Did you know the rate of Spanish speakers in America has gone up? Why? Because of Pitbull's influence.


That's not Spanish. That's a communist Cuban song sitting on the AMERICAN charts. No wonder Trump won.

I love The Ketchup Song

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/27/17 at 3:36 pm

2010-2013 is the only part of the 2010s that feels different from the rest of the 2010s. Everything after that is the same black hole of misery.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 05/27/17 at 5:34 pm

It's English, because my 7 year old self just heard, "Hey Macarena, Macarena, Macarena, come on hey, Salamander, Salamander, Salamander, Salamander, Salamander.
Come play, Macarena, Macarena, Macarena. Hey, Macarena! Ite!!!

Hey, Macarena, Macarena, Macarena, sashay, Philandererer, Philandererer, Philandererer, Philandererer.....

8)  8)  8)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 05/27/17 at 5:35 pm


It feels pretty much the same as 2016 to me too, at least culturally.


Maybe 2018 will be a shift, a la 2008. :(  :(

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 05/27/17 at 5:53 pm


2010-2013 is the only part of the 2010s that feels different from the rest of the 2010s. Everything after that is the same black hole of misery.


2012 was I thought when the shift started, and by 2014 it came full force on us.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/27/17 at 10:09 pm


That's not Spanish. That's a communist Cuban song sitting on the AMERICAN charts. No wonder Trump won.

I love The Ketchup Song


How dare you speak ill of Cuba! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: FunkSoulBrother96 on 05/28/17 at 5:48 pm

"Where I live, Donald Trump is quite popular and SJWs are frowned upon.  Being in an area that is so conservative"

"With Trump at the helm, I am worried about what our country as a whole will look like when we get to 2020."

Oh my word... I'm an anti-hipster/anti-SJW, conservative Republican, and I wish I could live in a place where Donald Trump is quite popular. What state do you live in? I'm from Chicago. You'd love it here.

Trump-supporters are a needle in a haystack. There's hardly American pride out here. People rarely dress in red white and blue anymore, or at least 2 of those colors. Not since the Bush era.

The individualistic hipster look is kinda fading away this year, but it's still popular. In big cities, you'll find a lot of Kardashian-wannabes and retro, bearded, skinny jean-wearing, Faze Apex look-a-likes with undercuts.

Yep. Nothing but annoying hipster clones in Chicago. I wish I could move to a Traditionally red state, particularly somewhere in the South. Far away from hipsters...

Heck, I'll even take Indiana. I'm a 00's kinda guy. Red states are right up my alley 'cause the people still rock trends from the Bush era.

Unfortunately for me, I'm young and I won't get to move for a long while. Besides, society will probably have a 00's revival by the Mid 2020's. But I don't think the year 2020 will be any different from 2017 aside from politics and maybe music.

After all, 90's culture didn't officially fizzle out until 2005 - 2008. And 00's culture didn't fizzle out until the Early 2010's when hipsterdom and SJW-ism became the norm. Gone were simpler times and simpler styles... By 2012, there was a major shift in every cultural aspect.

Examples: Clean-shaven or neatly-trimmed facial hair to long beards, short hair to long hair or an undercut, baggy to skinny, low-rise to high-rise, generic clothes to loud, hideous, zany, avante garde, grundgy, in-your-face fashion at any department store.

Top trends in 2016/May 2017 are:

The Lumbersexual/Grunge-revival look, plaid shirts, skinny jeans, cheap straight leg jeans, Nike Swoosh taper leg sweatpants, black Nike Free Runs, hideous neon running shoes (reminiscent of the Late 80's/Early 90's), twist-out hair, undercuts, the man-bun, Miley Cyrus hair, and the Dan TDM hairstyle.

Personally, I'll admit twist-out hair is cool to me because it's a throwback to 1980's Punk Rock hair.

In my opinion, the 2010's has been the strangest decade for fashion. The trend is to do your own thing. No longer are most people donning specific name brands, specific colors, and specific items, for the most part.

It's a very individualistic decade, like the 80's in Pop culture. A lot of today's trends will look stupid to future generations... (Not that they don't look stupid already...) But I digress.

(Sorry if this was too much, too complex. I'm a trend expert. I'm really into this stuff.)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/28/17 at 5:58 pm


"Where I live, Donald Trump is quite popular and SJWs are frowned upon.  Being in an area that is so conservative"

"With Trump at the helm, I am worried about what our country as a whole will look like when we get to 2020."

Oh my word... I'm an anti-hipster/anti-SJW, conservative Republican, and I wish I could live in a place where Donald Trump is quite popular. What state do you live in? I'm from Chicago. You'd love it here.

Trump-supporters are a needle in a haystack. There's hardly American pride out here. People rarely dress in red white and blue anymore, or at least 2 of those colors. Not since the Bush era.

The individualistic hipster look is kinda fading away this year, but it's still popular. In big cities, you'll find a lot of Kardashian-wannabes and retro, bearded, skinny jean-wearing, Faze Apex look-a-likes with undercuts.

Yep. Nothing but annoying hipster clones in Chicago. I wish I could move to a Traditionally red state, particularly somewhere in the South. Far away from hipsters...

Heck, I'll even take Indiana. I'm a 00's kinda guy. Red states are right up my alley 'cause the people still rock trends from the Bush era.

Unfortunately for me, I'm young and I won't get to move for a long while.

Well, the user who published those comments is bchris02 and he lives in Missouri....rural Missouri. So you if you want to live in rural Missouri....go right ahead.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 05/28/17 at 6:15 pm

I'll gladly trade FunkSoulBrother places.

There is a significant rural/urban divide in terms of Trump support. He is despised in urban areas but rural citizens still have an almost Messianic image of him.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/28/17 at 6:19 pm


I'll gladly trade FunkSoulBrother places.

There is a significant rural/urban divide in terms of Trump support. He is despised in urban areas but rural citizens still have an almost Messianic image of him.

Yes sir. I could never live in a rural area (for many reasons). BTW, if you don't mind, where in Missouri do you live? (you can give the nearest town/city, the county, or actual place)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 05/28/17 at 7:01 pm


I'll gladly trade FunkSoulBrother places.

There is a significant rural/urban divide in terms of Trump support. He is despised in urban areas but rural citizens still have an almost Messianic image of him.


Let's do this. It will be like House Swap except it's permanent and you don't have to hug.

I'm not American but I wear red, white and blue pretty often. I love France!


Yes sir. I could never live in a rural area (for many reasons). BTW, if you don't mind, where in Missouri do you live? (you can give the nearest town/city, the county, or actual place)


He lives in Oklahoma iirc.

I wouldn't want to live in a rural area either. No offence to rural people. Right now I live in a suburban area and miss living in the big city as it is.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/28/17 at 7:11 pm


Let's do this. It will be like House Swap except it's permanent and you don't have to hug.

I'm not American but I wear red, white and blue pretty often. I love France!

;D ;D ;D Vous êtes un homme drôle.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/28/17 at 7:25 pm

As I've said before, 2010-2013 is distant/different from the rest of the 2010s. 2014-now is essentially the same era. There hasn't been a "break" yet as far as I can tell.

2015 to me felt the same as 2016 only 2016 took 2015's worst traits and magnified them.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 05/28/17 at 7:27 pm


As I've said before, 2010-2013 is distant/different from the rest of the 2010s. 2014-now is essentially the same era. There hasn't been a "break" yet as far as I can tell.

2015 to me felt the same as 2016 only 2016 took 2015's worst traits and magnified them.


You don't think 2017 is different?

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 05/28/17 at 7:29 pm

I love Miley Cyrus's new song, 'Malibu'.  8)  8)  8)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 05/28/17 at 7:36 pm


I love Miley Cyrus's new song, 'Malibu'.  8)  8)  8)


That and the James Arthur song. I'm officially Gen Z. The Harry Styles song is good too.  :-[

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: JordanK1982 on 05/28/17 at 8:02 pm

2017 feels the same as 2015 and 2016.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 05/28/17 at 8:06 pm


2017 feels the same as 2015 and 2016.


Basically everything since the rise of ISIS later in 2014 has been the same.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/28/17 at 8:19 pm


He lives in Oklahoma iirc.

I wouldn't want to live in a rural area either. No offence to rural people. Right now I live in a suburban area and miss living in the big city as it is.

Oklahoma? I could've sworn that it was Missouri. Oh well....Oklahoma is even more red/Republican/conservative than Missouri.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/28/17 at 8:20 pm


2017 feels the same as 2015 and 2016.



Basically everything since the rise of ISIS later in 2014 has been the same.

I agree with the both of you.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 05/28/17 at 8:40 pm


Oklahoma? I could've sworn that it was Missouri. Oh well....Oklahoma is even more red/Republican/conservative than Missouri.


Oklahoma basically gave the election to Trump. Every single county there voted from Trump.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/28/17 at 9:04 pm


Oklahoma basically gave the election to Trump. Every single county there voted from Trump.

*voted for Trump, lol.

However, it wasn't Oklahoma that won it for Trump....it was Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan that won the election for Trump.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 05/28/17 at 9:05 pm


*voted for Trump, lol.

However, it wasn't Oklahoma that won it for Trump....it was Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan that won the election for Trump.


What I meant with "gave the election to Trump" was that they didn't even need to decide who won for Oklahoma.

Like for example, my state (New Jersey) basically just gave the election to Hillary Clinton.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 05/28/17 at 9:10 pm


Oklahoma? I could've sworn that it was Missouri. Oh well....Oklahoma is even more red/Republican/conservative than Missouri.


I think he said he grew up in Missouri.

I could never live in places like that, wow. Thankfully we have the Internet now so you can talk to people from outside your city LOL.

It would be like throwing a house cat into the wild. Nah uh. Rural areas are not for me. Again no offence to people who live in rural areas, just my opinion.  :-X

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/28/17 at 9:27 pm


I think he said he grew up in Missouri.

I could never live in places like that, wow. Thankfully we have the Internet now so you can talk to people from outside your city LOL.

It would be like throwing a house cat into the wild. Nah uh. Rural areas are not for me. Again no offence to people who live in rural areas, just my opinion.  :-X

Same here, I agree 100%.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/28/17 at 9:28 pm


What I meant with "gave the election to Trump" was that they didn't even need to decide who won for Oklahoma.

Like for example, my state (New Jersey) basically just gave the election to Hillary Clinton.

Oh OK, you meant that they went decisively for Trump....gotcha.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: #Infinity on 05/28/17 at 9:51 pm

Rural areas do have their charm. I, for one, enjoy their immersion in Mother Earth and also highly respect their typical strong sense of community and tradition. On the other hand, those places which idolize Trump and Pence and are greatly insincere about their "values"...yeah.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/28/17 at 9:56 pm


Rural areas do have their charm. I, for one, enjoy their immersion in Mother Earth and also highly respect their typical strong sense of community and tradition. On the other hand, those places which idolize Trump and Pence and are greatly insincere about their "values"...yeah.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: SpyroKev on 05/28/17 at 11:21 pm

It really takes away that excitement. I think eras just start feeling the same as the older you get.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 05/28/17 at 11:25 pm


2017 feels the same as 2015 and 2016.


Nooooo!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tbOA22zZzNA/V4FGVn-dN3I/AAAAAAAAKtI/AfD5jj5Rn0MDrNkD0xlSrMMXWrwOvklIQCCo/s350/MwenPaKaPale.gif

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 05/28/17 at 11:53 pm


Nooooo!

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2017 feels a lot calmer than 2015/2016. I think when the Switch came out, everyone decided to chill the f*ck out. I'm glad it's selling well!

Switch Switch Bitch
Another one in the basket!
Can't touch this
Sony's in the casket!

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 05/29/17 at 12:06 am


2017 feels a lot calmer than 2015/2016. I think when the Switch came out, everyone decided to chill the f*ck out. I'm glad it's selling well!

Switch Switch Bitch
Another one in the basket!
Can't touch this
Sony's in the casket!


I do see that 2017 is calmer than 2015/2016. But I wonder if you mean Trump when you say the Switch!  ;D

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 05/29/17 at 12:55 am


2017 feels a lot calmer than 2015/2016. I think when the Switch came out, everyone decided to chill the f*ck out. I'm glad it's selling well!

 
I wouldn't say so.  This is quite a chaotic time with Trump and everything.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 05/29/17 at 12:57 am


Oklahoma basically gave the election to Trump. Every single county there voted from Trump.


Yeah, Oklahoma is ultra-right wing through and through, and the worst kind at that.  Ultra religious, anti-gay, anti-marijuana legalization, even anti-alcohol.  Oklahoma is the kind of place the movie 'Footloose' was made about.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 05/29/17 at 12:59 am


Rural areas do have their charm. I, for one, enjoy their immersion in Mother Earth and also highly respect their typical strong sense of community and tradition. On the other hand, those places which idolize Trump and Pence and are greatly insincere about their "values"...yeah.


I think I could do a rural area in New England or something.  Or a boutique town like Santa Fe, NM or Asheville, NC that is known for being live and let live with strong "hippie" cultures.

The rural South and Midwest, with few exceptions, aren't ideal places to be right now in this political climate.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 05/29/17 at 6:51 am


I do see that 2017 is calmer than 2015/2016. But I wonder if you mean Trump when you say the Switch!  ;D


The Nintendo Switch!!


 
I wouldn't say so.  This is quite a chaotic time with Trump and everything.


That's true, I was being too Canado/Euro-centric. I heard the guy in Montana who best up the reporter won! It's insane. Politics is a team sport now.  :-X

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: John Titor on 05/29/17 at 12:54 pm


"Where I live, Donald Trump is quite popular and SJWs are frowned upon.  Being in an area that is so conservative"

"With Trump at the helm, I am worried about what our country as a whole will look like when we get to 2020."

Oh my word... I'm an anti-hipster/anti-SJW, conservative Republican, and I wish I could live in a place where Donald Trump is quite popular. What state do you live in? I'm from Chicago. You'd love it here.

Trump-supporters are a needle in a haystack. There's hardly American pride out here. People rarely dress in red white and blue anymore, or at least 2 of those colors. Not since the Bush era.

The individualistic hipster look is kinda fading away this year, but it's still popular. In big cities, you'll find a lot of Kardashian-wannabes and retro, bearded, skinny jean-wearing, Faze Apex look-a-likes with undercuts.

Yep. Nothing but annoying hipster clones in Chicago. I wish I could move to a Traditionally red state, particularly somewhere in the South. Far away from hipsters...

Heck, I'll even take Indiana. I'm a 00's kinda guy. Red states are right up my alley 'cause the people still rock trends from the Bush era.

Unfortunately for me, I'm young and I won't get to move for a long while. Besides, society will probably have a 00's revival by the Mid 2020's. But I don't think the year 2020 will be any different from 2017 aside from politics and maybe music.

After all, 90's culture didn't officially fizzle out until 2005 - 2008. And 00's culture didn't fizzle out until the Early 2010's when hipsterdom and SJW-ism became the norm. Gone were simpler times and simpler styles... By 2012, there was a major shift in every cultural aspect.

Examples: Clean-shaven or neatly-trimmed facial hair to long beards, short hair to long hair or an undercut, baggy to skinny, low-rise to high-rise, generic clothes to loud, hideous, zany, avante garde, grundgy, in-your-face fashion at any department store.

Top trends in 2016/May 2017 are:

The Lumbersexual/Grunge-revival look, plaid shirts, skinny jeans, cheap straight leg jeans, Nike Swoosh taper leg sweatpants, black Nike Free Runs, hideous neon running shoes (reminiscent of the Late 80's/Early 90's), twist-out hair, undercuts, the man-bun, Miley Cyrus hair, and the Dan TDM hairstyle.

Personally, I'll admit twist-out hair is cool to me because it's a throwback to 1980's Punk Rock hair.

In my opinion, the 2010's has been the strangest decade for fashion. The trend is to do your own thing. No longer are most people donning specific name brands, specific colors, and specific items, for the most part.

It's a very individualistic decade, like the 80's in Pop culture. A lot of today's trends will look stupid to future generations... (Not that they don't look stupid already...) But I digress.

(Sorry if this was too much, too complex. I'm a trend expert. I'm really into this stuff.)


Right for trends we are moving back into LOGO mania, like with Gucci coming back, despite not being " in vogue for many years.
The whole Yeezy influence of ultra militarinism is kinda of dying, but you still see some women dress like all the Kardashains with the beige
leggings, brown dad cap etc. The whole roshe run fad (that even inspired yeezy boosts) won't go out for awhile, you have companies like Balenciaga and Rick owens making their own versions of them. The whole Justin timberlake cut at the sides look is on the way out. In 2017 it is on its last legs.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: FunkSoulBrother96 on 06/02/17 at 5:49 pm

"The whole roshe run fad (that even inspired yeezy boosts) won't go out for awhile, you have companies like Balenciaga and Rick owens making their own versions of them."

You're talking about the running-shoes-as-casual-shoes fad that started in 2012. (Neon athletic shoes and black Nike Free Runs) Yeah, that won't go out of style for a long while. Personally, I think it's lame.

"The whole Justin timberlake cut at the sides look is on the way out. In 2017 it is on its last legs."

You're talking about the undercut. You're right about it being on its way out. This year, I'm seeing a lot of dudes with hair in the front, Beatles hair, and Caesar cuts, instead of gelled up, 1940's hairdos.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: John Titor on 06/02/17 at 6:07 pm


"The whole roshe run fad (that even inspired yeezy boosts) won't go out for awhile, you have companies like Balenciaga and Rick owens making their own versions of them."

You're talking about the running-shoes-as-casual-shoes fad that started in 2012. (Neon athletic shoes and black Nike Free Runs) Yeah, that won't go out of style for a long while. Personally, I think it's lame.

Back when I was a nerd, I used to wear athletic Champions when everyone was wearing skater shoes, tennis shoes, and trainers, like Nike Air Force 1's.

Now I'M the one donning trainers. How ironic. Little did I know I was ahead of the times back then. I didn't care about fashion. Now that's the thing. God I miss the 00's...

"The whole Justin timberlake cut at the sides look is on the way out. In 2017 it is on its last legs."

You're talking about the undercut. You're right about it being on its way out. This year, I'm seeing a lot of kids with hair in the front, 'Beatles hair', and Caesar cuts, instead of gelled up, 1940's hairdos.

I can't wait for a 00's revival in the next decade, just to see Punk and Crunk make a comeback. 90's nostalgia is getting old. It's not even 100% accurate.

The vast majority of trends from that decade are being left out. People are only nostalgic for fashion from the Early 90's. There's no love for 1997 - 2005. Does anyone catch my drift?


Ah yes champions with their Gohsa and Vetements partnership thats what made it really blow up, its so funny how that compant was hated in prior.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: BornIn86 on 06/03/17 at 4:27 am


 
I wouldn't say so.  This is quite a chaotic time with Trump and everything.


I think both you and Slowpoke are right. It's still chaotic, but I think we've gotten used to it by now. We've gotten used to Trump by now. According to polls, about 40% of the country still approves of Trump. 10-15% out of that won't abandon him unless the economy seriously tanks. I'm pretty sure around 25-30% would stick with him even if he sent Muslims and undocumented Mexicans to die in concentration camps.

While I've swallowed the hard pill of Hillary not being THAT better than Trump (we'd probably be in Syria right now if Hillary won), I just can't understand why anyone could wholeheartedly support Trump. He genuinely seems like a crappy person. He seems completely oblivious, full of nothing but bluster, shallowness, and vanity. He's the first president in my lifetime who doesn't even feel like a real president. He's like an old bumbling jester that became a ruling steward and 60% of the country is waiting for a king (or queen) to show up.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 06/03/17 at 8:31 am


"The whole roshe run fad (that even inspired yeezy boosts) won't go out for awhile, you have companies like Balenciaga and Rick owens making their own versions of them."

You're talking about the running-shoes-as-casual-shoes fad that started in 2012. (Neon athletic shoes and black Nike Free Runs) Yeah, that won't go out of style for a long while. Personally, I think it's lame.

Back when I was a nerd, I used to wear athletic Champions when everyone was wearing skater shoes, tennis shoes, and trainers, like Nike Air Force 1's.

Now I'M the one donning trainers. How ironic. Little did I know I was ahead of the times back then. I didn't care about fashion. Now that's the thing. God I miss the 00's...

"The whole Justin timberlake cut at the sides look is on the way out. In 2017 it is on its last legs."

You're talking about the undercut. You're right about it being on its way out. This year, I'm seeing a lot of kids with hair in the front, 'Beatles hair', and Caesar cuts, instead of gelled up, 1940's hairdos.

I can't wait for a 00's revival in the next decade, just to see Punk and Crunk make a comeback. 90's nostalgia is getting old. It's not even 100% accurate.

The vast majority of trends from that decade are being left out. People are only nostalgic for fashion from the Early 90's. There's no love for 1997 - 2005. Does anyone catch my drift?


I see a lot of people where I live no longer having undercuts. It really only seemed to be a 2014-16 trend, and nothing else.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: FunkSoulBrother96 on 06/03/17 at 9:32 am

"I see a lot of people where I live no longer having undercuts. It really only seemed to be a 2014-16 trend, and nothing else."

The Hipster-Yuppie look is still kinda trending in Chicago, but not as much. Mainly in shopping malls & Downtown with the 90's babies and some celebrities. Speaking of celebs, even Bieber is done with the undercut: https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/whitneyjefferson/hey-whats-justin-bieber-been-up-to-in-2017

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 06/03/17 at 11:09 am


I see a lot of people where I live no longer having undercuts. It really only seemed to be a 2014-16 trend, and nothing else.


I still have this hairstyle.  However, I do think it's on the decline.  I mostly think it's because it seems to be the hairstyle of the Alt-Right/Neo-Nazi movement.  It's caused people to distance themselves from it, much like Justin Bieber killed the scene swoop that dominated men's hairstyles in the late '00s.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 06/03/17 at 1:23 pm

I can't believe 5 months of this year has passed.  :P  :P  :o

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/03/17 at 2:08 pm

Undercuts are hot. I don't want them to go away. Damn Nazis!

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Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/03/17 at 2:40 pm


I can't believe 5 months of this year has passed.  :P  :P  :o

We're on the 6th month now which means we're almost half way through the year.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/03/17 at 2:44 pm


We're on the 6th month now which means we're almost half way through the year.

It also means that my birthday is a month away 8).

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 06/03/17 at 2:52 pm


Rural areas do have their charm. I, for one, enjoy their immersion in Mother Earth and also highly respect their typical strong sense of community and tradition. On the other hand, those places which idolize Trump and Pence and are greatly insincere about their "values"...yeah.


Good point. Having relatives in the South it is heartwarming when you're being served with 'Southern Hospitality'.


I do see that 2017 is calmer than 2015/2016. But I wonder if you mean Trump when you say the Switch!  ;D


I agree that 2017 has been MUCH calmer than 2015/2016. Actually, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that roughly 60% of the country hates (or are indifferent with) Trump. So its very similar to W. Bush's Second Term from a domestic standpoint. While 2015/2016 on the other hand was dealing with the Primaries and 16' election, thus the public (amplified by the extensive media coverage) were hugely divided on the presidential candidates of what was one of the most pivotal elections in recent history.

Ever since the election ended, as of 2017 it seems everything (from a domestic standpoint) seemed to go back to normal..... sort of.
:-X



I still have this hairstyle.  However, I do think it's on the decline.  I mostly think it's because it seems to be the hairstyle of the Alt-Right/Neo-Nazi movement.  It's caused people to distance themselves from it, much like Justin Bieber killed the scene swoop that dominated men's hairstyles in the late '00s.


Yeah Undercuts were everywhere in 2013-2016, but I'm starting to see it decline now. Other trends from the mid 10's that aren't as popular as they used to be are the man bun, caeser cut, quilf, lumbersexual beards, etc.

I agree that the controversial 2016 election probably was a catalyst to decline of the undercut due to the Nazi imagery it could potentially display (although misinterpreted most of the time), along with the continuing backlash against the hipster trends since Late 2016.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/03/17 at 3:17 pm

2017 is very calm yet really boring at the same time. Maybe that's just what we need after 2016, but there is honestly so little progress in technology and culture right now. The last time things felt this stagnant was in 2012, but that year was horrible for me in other ways. I am not excited for the new Samsung Galaxy Note 8 and I was always excited to see the new features they would bring a couple years ago. 2017 is just a very boring year but not in a bad way. This probably means that 2018 will be a transitional year and things will truly look different when 2019 arrives. I have predicted that music and culture of the 2010s will truly change in 2018 or 2019 all the way back in 2010 (we still have some resemblance now to music and culture from the early 2010s) so I think that will happen and 2019 will be a cultural '20s year and look very different compared to the rest of the decade. Late 2018 will probably look different compared to now.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 06/03/17 at 6:51 pm


Good point. Having relatives in the South it is heartwarming when you're being served with 'Southern Hospitality'.

I agree that 2017 has been MUCH calmer than 2015/2016. Actually, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that roughly 60% of the country hates (or are indifferent with) Trump. So its very similar to W. Bush's Second Term from a domestic standpoint. While 2015/2016 on the other hand was dealing with the Primaries and 16' election, thus the public (amplified by the extensive media coverage) were hugely divided on the presidential candidates of what was one of the most pivotal elections in recent history.

Ever since the election ended, as of 2017 it seems everything (from a domestic standpoint) seemed to go back to normal..... sort of.
:-X


Yeah Undercuts were everywhere in 2013-2016, but I'm starting to see it decline now. Other trends from the mid 10's that aren't as popular as they used to be are the man bun, caeser cut, quilf, lumbersexual beards, etc.

I agree that the controversial 2016 election probably was a catalyst to decline of the undercut due to the Nazi imagery it could potentially display (although misinterpreted most of the time), along with the continuing backlash against the hipster trends since Late 2016.


I thought that the time period between the Charleston shooting and the election of 2016 was when the whole division really was at its most intense.

I also remember watching the news for a very long time (like sometimes up to four hours) in late June and early July 2015.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: BornIn86 on 06/03/17 at 7:42 pm

I feel like things were at its most tense during the Black Male Shooting riots.

I still disagree that 2017 is very different from the rest of the 2010s. The music still feels very 2015, mid 2010s although we're now knee deep in it now. The only way from here is through/out/up.

I will admit that politics is definitely in a transitionary period especially online. The "SJWs" have been shouted down so now the anti-SJWs and/or alt-right are having to deal with criticisms without having a villain to deflect to.

The last controversial/must buzzed show I can think of is 13 Reasons Why.

Superhero movies are still heavy hitters despite there not being as much buzz around them. I think that's evidence that the superhero genre is here for the long haul. It's one thing to be a cultural phenomenon. It's another thing to become part of the regular cultural landscape.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/03/17 at 8:18 pm

Well.....another terrorist attack in the UK. Sadly, this is becoming the new normal for Europe. I'm a liberal but my beliefs on national security are being pushed everytime I see these attacks happen (if I'm being honest :-\\).

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: FunkSoulBrother96 on 06/03/17 at 11:14 pm

"Undercuts were everywhere in 2013-2016, but I'm starting to see it decline now. Other trends from the mid 10's that aren't as popular as they used to be are the man bun, caeser cut, quiff, lumbersexual beards, etc.

I agree that the controversial 2016 election probably was a catalyst to decline of the undercut due to the Nazi imagery it could potentially display (although misinterpreted most of the time), along with the continuing backlash against the hipster trends since Late 2016."

You nailed it.  8) Plus, the majority of those Trump-protesters were bearded, undercut-sporting hipsters. And just about all hipsters are against Trump... lol

I knew all along that a Trump victory would ruin the hipster fad.  ;D I predicted it as soon as he ran for office. Now we're slowly going back to the W. Bush era in fashion. Soon there'll be a full-blown 00's revival.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 06/03/17 at 11:24 pm


Well.....another terrorist attack in the UK. Sadly, this is becoming the new normal for Europe. I'm a liberal but my beliefs on national security are being pushed everytime I see these attacks happen (if I'm being honest :-\\).


It's the new normal, sadly. I hope we find a way to limit things like this, and find a way to protect people.  :(  :(  :(

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/04/17 at 12:25 am


2017 is very calm yet really boring at the same time. Maybe that's just what we need after 2016, but there is honestly so little progress in technology and culture right now. The last time things felt this stagnant was in 2012, but that year was horrible for me in other ways. I am not excited for the new Samsung Galaxy Note 8 and I was always excited to see the new features they would bring a couple years ago. 2017 is just a very boring year but not in a bad way. This probably means that 2018 will be a transitional year and things will truly look different when 2019 arrives. I have predicted that music and culture of the 2010s will truly change in 2018 or 2019 all the way back in 2010 (we still have some resemblance now to music and culture from the early 2010s) so I think that will happen and 2019 will be a cultural '20s year and look very different compared to the rest of the decade. Late 2018 will probably look different compared to now.


What about the Switch?

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Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 06/04/17 at 12:28 am


I feel like things were at its most tense during the Black Male Shooting riots.

I still disagree that 2017 is very different from the rest of the 2010s. The music still feels very 2015, mid 2010s although we're now knee deep in it now. The only way from here is through/out/up.

I will admit that politics is definitely in a transitionary period especially online. The "SJWs" have been shouted down so now the anti-SJWs and/or alt-right are having to deal with criticisms without having a villain to deflect to.

The last controversial/must buzzed show I can think of is 13 Reasons Why.

Superhero movies are still heavy hitters despite there not being as much buzz around them. I think that's evidence that the superhero genre is here for the long haul. It's one thing to be a cultural phenomenon. It's another thing to become part of the regular cultural landscape.


I would agree.  The Charlotte riots and others like them were the tensest part of this decade.  As bad as 2017 has been, it hasn't been that bad.  2015 was also quite significant where I live because of how angry everyone was about the marriage equality decision.  I felt as if I should just go jump off a bridge because the way everybody was talking about it.  By 2017, it has mostly subsided and people don't talk about marriage equality quite as much (though they still tend to bring it up quite often).

I have noticed there isn't as much buzz surrounding superhero movies these days as there was in 2014 and 2015.  The peak of it was probably in 2014, around the time of the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/04/17 at 12:35 am


It's the new normal, sadly. I hope we find a way to limit things like this, and find a way to protect people.  :(  :(  :(

Yeah, I hope so.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/04/17 at 12:38 am


What about the Switch?

https://68.media.tumblr.com/18229e56dbafb5ff4921ba608780ce9f/tumblr_o3hltqjo4f1qes8cgo1_500.gif

What about it?  ;D

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 06/04/17 at 12:39 am


What about the Switch?

https://68.media.tumblr.com/18229e56dbafb5ff4921ba608780ce9f/tumblr_o3hltqjo4f1qes8cgo1_500.gif


;D  ;D  ;D

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/04/17 at 2:53 am

People keep saying 2013 - 2016 is one era, and I disagree with this. 2014 - 2016 is one era, which is the mid 2010s. 2013 was its own year that transitioned from the early to mid 2010s and can be said to be part of the early 2010s. 2017 does not feel very different from the rest of the 2010s. Only some things have changed in 2016, very small and gradual transition. 2014 and 2012 are really different but 2017 and 2015 are not that different (but still a slight difference)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/04/17 at 8:51 am


What about it?  ;D


It's not exciting? :(

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/17/17 at 2:18 pm

My sister's new dialysis machine has a touchscreen table thing installed on it and has a human voice. It's replacing the machine that had simple buttons, an LED Matrix panel and can only produce beeps, that we got in 2013.

My cousin's new car parallel parks automatically. Neato!

Also Katy Perry's Witness album is decent if you listen to it a couple of times.

A sign of the times.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 06/17/17 at 2:26 pm


People keep saying 2013 - 2016 is one era, and I disagree with this. 2014 - 2016 is one era, which is the mid 2010s. 2013 was its own year that transitioned from the early to mid 2010s and can be said to be part of the early 2010s. 2017 does not feel very different from the rest of the 2010s. Only some things have changed in 2016, very small and gradual transition. 2014 and 2012 are really different but 2017 and 2015 are not that different (but still a slight difference)


I disagree.

2012 was the transition year.  Many of the things that defined the mid '10s really ramped up in 2012, starting with the Hunger Games and Carly Rae Jepsen's "Call Me Maybe" which set the stage for mid '10s pop.  In late 2012, Macklemore had become popular.  "Thrift Shop" is a very mid '10s song and it was popular in late 2012.  Late 2012 going into 2013 also had the last hurrah of the electropop era.

2013-2016 was similar culturally.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/17/17 at 2:31 pm


I disagree.

2012 was the transition year.  Many of the things that defined the mid '10s really ramped up in 2012, starting with the Hunger Games and Carly Rae Jepsen's "Call Me Maybe" which set the stage for mid '10s pop.  In late 2012, Macklemore had become popular.  "Thrift Shop" is a very mid '10s song and it was popular in late 2012.  Late 2012 going into 2013 also had the last hurrah of the electropop era.

2013-2016 was similar culturally.

Okay you're getting all of this wrong.... 2012 was not a transition year at all. It felt exactly the same as 2011 and they were identical years. Carly Rae Jepen's song was released in October 2011.... That's when I started hearing it on the radio and it DOES NOT sound like mid '10s pop, just a typical early 2010s pop song. Horrible example to use her song as it sounds like any other song that came out in 2011 (it came out in 2011 as well). Macklemore's Thrift Show WAS NOT popular in late 2012. It was the number 1 song of 2013 and you can look that up and see. It only started getting popular in early 2013 and blew up winter/spring of 2013. Seriously, 2012 was not a transitional year.... It along with 2013 were both part of the early 2010s. I just think it's dumb for people to put it as a transition year. People got annoyed at me for calling 2003 a mid 2000s year and saying there was a transition in 2002, yet people are doing the same for the 2010s?  ??? Absolutely makes no sense at all.

2013 - 2016 were not one era and not similar culturally at all. 2013 was part of the early 2010s. The mid 2010s are 2014-2016, not including 2013 as 2013 was a transitional year.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/17/17 at 2:46 pm


Okay you're getting all of this wrong.... 2012 was not a transition year at all. It felt exactly the same as 2011 and they were identical years. Carly Rae Jepen's song was released in October 2011.... That's when I started hearing it on the radio and it DOES NOT sound like mid '10s pop, just a typical early 2010s pop song. Horrible example to use her song as it sounds like any other song that came out in 2011 (it came out in 2011 as well). Macklemore's Thrift Show WAS NOT popular in late 2012. It was the number 1 song of 2013 and you can look that up and see. It only started getting popular in early 2013 and blew up winter/spring of 2013. Seriously, 2012 was not a transitional year.... It along with 2013 were both part of the early 2010s. I just think it's dumb for people to put it as a transition year. People got annoyed at me for calling 2003 a mid 2000s year and saying there was a transition in 2002, yet people are doing the same for the 2010s?  ??? Absolutely makes no sense at all.

2013 - 2016 were not one era and not similar culturally at all. 2013 was part of the early 2010s. The mid 2010s are 2014-2016, not including 2013 as 2013 was a transitional year.

I agree with you.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 06/17/17 at 3:39 pm


Okay you're getting all of this wrong.... 2012 was not a transition year at all. It felt exactly the same as 2011 and they were identical years. Carly Rae Jepen's song was released in October 2011.... That's when I started hearing it on the radio and it DOES NOT sound like mid '10s pop, just a typical early 2010s pop song. Horrible example to use her song as it sounds like any other song that came out in 2011 (it came out in 2011 as well). Macklemore's Thrift Show WAS NOT popular in late 2012. It was the number 1 song of 2013 and you can look that up and see. It only started getting popular in early 2013 and blew up winter/spring of 2013. Seriously, 2012 was not a transitional year.... It along with 2013 were both part of the early 2010s. I just think it's dumb for people to put it as a transition year. People got annoyed at me for calling 2003 a mid 2000s year and saying there was a transition in 2002, yet people are doing the same for the 2010s?  ??? Absolutely makes no sense at all.

2013 - 2016 were not one era and not similar culturally at all. 2013 was part of the early 2010s. The mid 2010s are 2014-2016, not including 2013 as 2013 was a transitional year.


I think regional/cultural differences in terms of where we live as well as our personal lives make a difference and can alter the perception of cultural eras by a year or two.  For instance, for me, 2008 was totally an '00s year while you associate it more with the '10s.  For me, 2013 was mid '10s while you associate it with the early '10s.  I heard "Call Me Maybe" for the first time in March of 2012 and "Thrift Shop" for the first time in October of 2012.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/17/17 at 3:41 pm


I think regional/cultural differences in terms of where we live as well as our personal lives make a difference and can alter the perception of cultural eras by a year or two.  For instance, for me, 2008 was totally an '00s year while you associate it more with the '10s.  For me, 2013 was mid '10s while you associate it with the early '10s.  I heard "Call Me Maybe" for the first time in March of 2012 and "Thrift Shop" for the first time in October of 2012.

Okay you're right about that. Because Call Me Maybe was released around 6 months earlier in Canada. The reason it got popular in the U.S. was because of Justin Bieber promoting it. I still believe if we move past music, that 2012 was still a solid early 2010s year with technology, fashion, and everything. 2013 was a unique year and it only started seeing mid '10s culture in fall of that year.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/17/17 at 3:45 pm

I'm from NYC and 2013 was definitely a transitional year. 2013 felt much more like the early 2010s than mid 2010s.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 06/18/17 at 1:00 pm


I'm from NYC and 2013 was definitely a transitional year. 2013 felt much more like the early 2010s than mid 2010s.


I'm close by in NJ, and I agree. Although it's hard for me to say it leans heavily early or mid 2010's. Back in 2015 I would of easily said 10's due to many core 10's trends (Netflix shows, hipster fashion, EDM, 8th gen video game consoles, etc.) coming to mainstream fruition by then. But at the same time it was the end of many core Electropop era (late 00's/early 10's) trends such as the Electropop, dubstep, & indie genres in music, TV shows like Breaking Bad coming to an end, 7th generation gaming at its last legs for early-mid 13', among other trends.

2013 as a whole was just one big ass transitional year, but culturally from a school year perspective I'd divide the 10's school years like this:

2010-2011: Electropop Era/Early 2010's

2011-2012: Electropop Era/Early 2010's

2012-2013: Electropop/Core(could lean either way) 2010's/Early 2010's

2013-2014: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's

2014-2015: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's
(Either one of these school years were probably the most definitive ones)
2015-2016: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's

2016-2017: Core 2010's/Late 2010's

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/18/17 at 1:29 pm


I'm close by in NJ, and I agree. Although it's hard for me to say it leans heavily early or mid 2010's. Back in 2015 I would of easily said 10's due to many core 10's trends (Netflix shows, hipster fashion, EDM, 8th gen video game consoles, etc.) coming to mainstream fruition by then. But at the same time it was the end of many core Electropop era (late 00's/early 10's) trends such as the Electropop, dubstep, & indie genres in music, TV shows like Breaking Bad coming to an end, 7th generation gaming at its last legs for early-mid 13', among other trends.

2013 as a whole was just one big ass transitional year, but culturally from a school year perspective I'd divide the 10's school years like this:

2010-2011: Electropop Era/Early 2010's

2011-2012: Electropop Era/Early 2010's

2012-2013: Electropop/Core(could lean either way) 2010's/Early 2010's

2013-2014: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's

2014-2015: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's
(Either one of these school years were probably the most definitive ones)
2015-2016: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's

2016-2017: Core 2010's/Late 2010's

Yeah, I think that you're spot on.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/18/17 at 1:35 pm

"Core" 2010s could have started in 2011. Because core just means years that define the 2010s the most, and the early 2010s are super definitive when it comes to this decade, even more than the mid 2010s (same as the 2000s). Also I don't like calling it the "electropop era" because while music changed a quite bit, electropop has never fully gone away. And the early 2010s were defined by so much more than just music.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 06/18/17 at 2:36 pm


"Core" 2010s could have started in 2011. Because core just means years that define the 2010s the most, and the early 2010s are super definitive when it comes to this decade, even more than the mid 2010s (same as the 2000s). Also I don't like calling it the "electropop era" because while music changed a quite bit, electropop has never fully gone away. And the early 2010s were defined by so much more than just music.


Good point, but IMO I'd say it should start about the Late 2012 mark. 2011 still had a very heavy Electropop era feel with Blackberrys still being the standard smartphone, neon clothing from the Second Wave 80's revival (neon Hollister and Ed Hardy T-Shirts, pastel colored skinny jeans, scene/indie movement still popular), dubstep & indie music being king, etc. Even much of 2012 seems dated today from a 2017 standpoint. However, around the Late 2012 mark, stereotypical 2010's trends like EDM, Hipster fashion, iPhones being ubiquitous etc. started to gain mainstream attraction, hence why the 12'-13' school year is probably the first core 2010's year. However, culture during 12'-13' was still mostly 'early', with bits and pieces of 'mid' being introduced. 13'-14' was the first mid 10's school year, and probably the first stereotypical school year people associate generally with the 2010's.

Also electropop music technically is any popular music that uses primarily electronic synthesizers, so most pop music is electropop. But the type of electropop of today doesn't evoke the same kind of emotion and feel that it did back in 2008-2012/2013. Things have certainly evolved into more of The Chainsmokers or Dipplo sound of electronic music which incorporates elements primarily in EDM music, something that got big 2013 onwards. I think this album by Bruno Mars, Unorthodox Juke Box, perfectly displays how dated the sound of 2012/2013 has become, which seems crazy to think but its becoming the case.

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Many of these songs have a bit of indie/early 10's era electropop hybrid feel of music. This style of music is a far cry from the stuff from Bruno's recent album 24K Magic.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 06/18/17 at 2:42 pm

Think of it like this, both 2003-2004 & 2012-2013 are 'early' school years for their repsective decades (culturally, numerically is different), but are both (arguably) the first core school years for their respected decades as well. I see the core 2000's as being from roughly Late 2003 - Mid 2008, with 2006 being the definite noughties year (others say 2004, 2005, or 2007). Similarly I see the core 2010's as being from Late 2012 into the present, however its possible that if the core period of the 10's is mathematically a similar length to the 2000's that I'll end sometime this year. Although I'm betting that'll end sometime within early-mid 18', I'm predicting we'd be in a dramatically different cultural environment by Late 18' (you heard it here first ;)).

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/18/17 at 3:14 pm


Although I'm betting that'll end sometime within early-mid 18', I'm predicting we'd be in a dramatically different cultural environment by Late 18' (you heard it here first ;)).

I think this will happen too and I certainly hope so.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 06/18/17 at 10:18 pm


Think of it like this, both 2003-2004 & 2012-2013 are 'early' school years for their repsective decades (culturally, numerically is different), but are both (arguably) the first core school years for their respected decades as well. I see the core 2000's as being from roughly Late 2003 - Mid 2008, with 2006 being the definite noughties year (others say 2004, 2005, or 2007). Similarly I see the core 2010's as being from Late 2012 into the present, however its possible that if the core period of the 10's is mathematically a similar length to the 2000's that I'll end sometime this year. Although I'm betting that'll end sometime within early-mid 18', I'm predicting we'd be in a dramatically different cultural environment by Late 18' (you heard it here first ;)).


We'll see.  It depends on what the new cultural environment is.  For whatever reason, I have that feeling that I am not going to really like whatever we are headed to.  Part of it is my age, and looking back seem to start resenting modern culture around my age and being more nostalgic for their teen and early twenties years.  I have already experienced some of that.  Mid '10s culture, for all its flaws, still has some bright spots to it and is still close enough to the early '10s that there is still a hint of "my culture" in it (I consider the late '00s/early '10s to be my prime young adult years).

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: tv on 06/18/17 at 11:39 pm


The Knicks have sucked essentially since my birth. The last time the Knicks made it to the Finals was in 1999 (they faced the Spurs and that Finals ended just 2 weeks before I was born). The 1990s was the last time the Knicks were good consistently, the 2000s were a horrible decade for the Knicks (I remember those dark days well). Only 1 winning season in the last 16 years for the Knicks...just sad.
They were decent from 2010-2013. They had the great year in 2012-2013 winning 54 games in the regular season.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: tv on 06/18/17 at 11:50 pm


"Where I live, Donald Trump is quite popular and SJWs are frowned upon.  Being in an area that is so conservative"

"With Trump at the helm, I am worried about what our country as a whole will look like when we get to 2020."

Oh my word... I'm an anti-hipster/anti-SJW, conservative Republican, and I wish I could live in a place where Donald Trump is quite popular. What state do you live in? I'm from Chicago. You'd love it here.

Trump-supporters are a needle in a haystack. There's hardly American pride out here. People rarely dress in red white and blue anymore, or at least 2 of those colors. Not since the Bush era.

The individualistic hipster look is kinda fading away this year, but it's still popular. In big cities, you'll find a lot of Kardashian-wannabes and retro, bearded, skinny jean-wearing, Faze Apex look-a-likes with undercuts.

Yep. Nothing but annoying hipster clones in Chicago. I wish I could move to a Traditionally red state, particularly somewhere in the South. Far away from hipsters...

Heck, I'll even take Indiana. I'm a 00's kinda guy. Red states are right up my alley 'cause the people still rock trends from the Bush era.

Unfortunately for me, I'm young and I won't get to move for a long while. Besides, society will probably have a 00's revival by the Mid 2020's. But I don't think the year 2020 will be any different from 2017 aside from politics and maybe music.

After all, 90's culture didn't officially fizzle out until 2005 - 2008. And 00's culture didn't fizzle out until the Early 2010's when hipsterdom and SJW-ism became the norm. Gone were simpler times and simpler styles... By 2012, there was a major shift in every cultural aspect.

Examples: Clean-shaven or neatly-trimmed facial hair to long beards, short hair to long hair or an undercut, baggy to skinny, low-rise to high-rise, generic clothes to loud, hideous, zany, avante garde, grundgy, in-your-face fashion at any department store.

Top trends in 2016/May 2017 are:

The Lumbersexual/Grunge-revival look, plaid shirts, skinny jeans, cheap straight leg jeans, Nike Swoosh taper leg sweatpants, black Nike Free Runs, hideous neon running shoes (reminiscent of the Late 80's/Early 90's), twist-out hair, undercuts, the man-bun, Miley Cyrus hair, and the Dan TDM hairstyle.

Personally, I'll admit twist-out hair is cool to me because it's a throwback to 1980's Punk Rock hair.

In my opinion, the 2010's has been the strangest decade for fashion. The trend is to do your own thing. No longer are most people donning specific name brands, specific colors, and specific items, for the most part.

It's a very individualistic decade, like the 80's in Pop culture. A lot of today's trends will look stupid to future generations... (Not that they don't look stupid already...) But I digress.

(Sorry if this was too much, too complex. I'm a trend expert. I'm really into this stuff.)
Not to nitpick but the 2000's reminded of the 80's in that both decades were materialistic(1983-1986, maybe 1987) and 2003-2006.

As for todays trends looking stupid to future generations I don't think most music made from 2009-present will age very well in the future. Some past music like late 2005-mid 2008 ringtone rap and the second wave of bands from the hair metal genre(late 80's/early 90's) like Winger, or Warrant their music didn't age very well I don't think.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 06/18/17 at 11:58 pm


As for todays trends looking stupid to future generations I don't think most music made from 2009-present will age very well in the future. Some past music like late 2005-mid 2008 ringtone rap and the second wave of bands from the hair metal genre(late 80's/early 90's) like Winger, or Warrant their music didn't age very well I don't think.


I can't really think of any decade's pop that ages well.  Rock and hip-hop has a better shot.  '90s rock has aged quite well.  '00s post-grunge will probably never be looked back on with as much fondness but it isn't terrible.  I imagine electropop will be looked back on like '90s eurodance.  Cheesy but enjoyable to listen to and nostalgic.  One artist I am surprised has lasted from that era is Justin Bieber.  He was quite polarizing when he first came on the scene in 2009.  Teen girls loved him but he was hated by most people, especially young guys.  He was sort of like a '10s version of the Backstreet Boys in the late '90s.  I thought he was be a one or maybe two album fad and then disappear.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 12:01 am


They were decent from 2010-2013. They had the great year in 2012-2013 winning 54 games in the regular season.

Yeah, the 2012-13 year is the only winning season in the past 16 years that I was referring to. They were decent from 2010-13 but not great and not nearly as good as they were in the 1990s. They went nowhere.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 12:02 am


I can't really think of any decade's pop that ages well.  Rock and hip-hop has a better shot.  '90s rock has aged quite well.  '00s post-grunge will probably never be looked back on with as much fondness but it isn't terrible.  I imagine electropop will be looked back on like '90s eurodance.  Cheesy but enjoyable to listen to and nostalgic.  One artist I am surprised has lasted from that era is Justin Bieber.  He was quite polarizing when he first came on the scene in 2009.  Teen girls loved him but he was hated by most people, especially young guys.  He was sort of like a '10s version of the Backstreet Boys in the late '90s.  I thought he was be a one or maybe two album fad and then disappear.

I also thought that Justin was going to be a one hit wonder as well and I disliked him back then. In fact, I disliked him until last year.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: tv on 06/19/17 at 12:04 am


I'll gladly trade FunkSoulBrother places.

There is a significant rural/urban divide in terms of Trump support. He is despised in urban areas but rural citizens still have an almost Messianic image of him.
I think Trump is make or break probably disliked in the inner-ring suburbs outside of Philly, Chicago, Atlanta, Portland, Denver and Minneapolis. He might be at break-even or at just above water popularity like in inner-ring suburbs outside of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Omaha, Nebraska and New Orleans, Louisiana because I think those inner-ring suburbs are more conservative. I personally don't think Trump is very popular in the inner-ring suburbs of the Texas Triangle Cities like Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston nor is he doing well in the inner ring suburbs of Detroit, Michigan or Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/19/17 at 1:16 am


I think Trump is make or break probably disliked in the inner-ring suburbs outside of Philly, Chicago, Atlanta, Portland, Denver and Minneapolis. He might be at break-even or at just above water popularity like in inner-ring suburbs outside of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Omaha, Nebraska and New Orleans, Louisiana because I think those inner-ring suburbs are more conservative. I personally don't think Trump is very popular in the inner-ring suburbs of the Texas Triangle Cities like Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston nor is he doing well in the inner ring suburbs of Detroit, Michigan or Milwaukee, Wisconsin.


Suburbia can be pretty fond of Trump, more than you think. I reside in a semi-affluent city of 90,000 in S Florida in a county that usually slightly trends Democratic. The county's white population was definitely leaning towards Trump over the alternative, now that does not imply an extreme appreciation BUT it is something worth considering. The whites in my county are relatively middle-of-the-road, but the whites in my city (especially the young whites) are rabid Republicans who would vote for a homicidal drifter if he had an R next to his name.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/19/17 at 2:08 am


I can't really think of any decade's pop that ages well.  Rock and hip-hop has a better shot.  '90s rock has aged quite well.  '00s post-grunge will probably never be looked back on with as much fondness but it isn't terrible.  I imagine electropop will be looked back on like '90s eurodance.  Cheesy but enjoyable to listen to and nostalgic.  One artist I am surprised has lasted from that era is Justin Bieber.  He was quite polarizing when he first came on the scene in 2009.  Teen girls loved him but he was hated by most people, especially young guys.  He was sort of like a '10s version of the Backstreet Boys in the late '90s.  I thought he was be a one or maybe two album fad and then disappear.

I thought Justin Bieber would suffer the same fate as Aaron Carter but I was wrong.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: bchris02 on 06/19/17 at 2:57 am


I thought Justin Bieber would suffer the same fate as Aaron Carter but I was wrong.


That's what I thought.  There is still a stigma to liking Justin Bieber, even though his stuff today actually isn't bad.  It was kind of like Justin Timberlake carried that 'NSync stigma through most of the '00s and was one of those artists that guys didn't listen to.

I also thought Owl City would be more popular than he was.  I had listened to him when he was still an indie artist and always liked his earlier music.  He didn't really have anything other than Fireflies that was a major hit.  There were a few other songs that barely made the pop charts and he had some Christian radio hits, but nothing like Fireflies.  After Fireflies, he sold out to mainstream music and the quality of his songs went into the toilet.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 06/19/17 at 9:09 am


Suburbia can be pretty fond of Trump, more than you think. I reside in a semi-affluent city of 90,000 in S Florida in a county that usually slightly trends Democratic. The county's white population was definitely leaning towards Trump over the alternative, now that does not imply an extreme appreciation BUT it is something worth considering. The whites in my county are relatively middle-of-the-road, but the whites in my city (especially the young whites) are rabid Republicans who would vote for a homicidal drifter if he had an R next to his name.


THIS. I'm from a suburb about 45 min-1 hour outside of NYC (yes, the liberal elitism capital of the world ;D), and my town is pretty 50/30 between registered Dems & Repubs, with remaining 20% voters being independents (these guys are the swing voters that could turn elections in favor of Dems or Repubs).

Yet in 2016, you saw nothing but Trump 16' flags & banners on people's yards. On the contrary I think I saw maybe 2 or 3 Hillary Signs In my entire town ;D. The town typically votes Democratic in Presidential elections (voted for Clinton, Gore & Obama in 92', 96', 00', 08' & 12', the town voted for Bush in 04' though), and could swing either Dem or Repub in State/Local (Christie won twice, Corzine won his first election here). However, there's definitely a suburbia effect that led to Trump winning the presidency, and I think this effect has resulted in people in my town and many other suburbs across the country being more willing to give Trump a chance.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 10:29 am

People like to thought about liberal elitism but yet don't talk about conservative elitism. Conservatism in the USA has become more than an ideology....it has become a brand.  Also, there are plenty of conservatives who think that their views are better and supreme to liberals....yet no one says "conservative elitism".....hmmmm.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 11:10 am


People like to thought about liberal elitism but yet don't talk about conservative elitism. Conservatism in the USA has become more than an ideology....it has become a brand.  Also, there are plenty of conservatives who think that their views are better and supreme to liberals....yet no one says "conservative elitism".....hmmmm.


I like being insulted for being too smart though.... It tickles.  ;D

There's no such thing as conservative elitism. Most Republican states are not good places to live, and that's that on that.  :-X

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 11:32 am


I like being insulted for being too smart though.... It tickles.  ;D

There's no such thing as conservative elitism. Most Republican states are not good places to live, and that's that on that.  :-X

Well, both sides have their opinions one which states are "the best to live in". However, what I'm talkimg about is the fact that there are plenty of conservatives who are elitists and think their ideas are better than liberals yet no one says "conservative elitism". Also, as seen by Trump, Greg Gianforte and other Republican politicians....they can say and do virtually anything but as long as they are Republicans...most conservatives won't care and will vote for them anyways....if that isn't some form of elitism then I don't know what is. Also, Conservatives and the GOP control most levels of government in the US. The Democrats are the most removed from power since 1928. That's conservative elitism at it's finest.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/19/17 at 11:57 am


I like being insulted for being too smart though.... It tickles.  ;D

There's no such thing as conservative elitism. Most Republican states are not good places to live, and that's that on that.  :-X


States like Mississippi and Alabama (red states with far-right policy, mind you) rank among the highest in terms of obesity, lowest in education, etc for a multitude of reasons. 
However, I would note that a couple of Republican-leaning states, such as Wyomimg, seem to be prospering somewhat. Low crime rates, high quality of life, etc. Those states are more libertarian in collective mindset than socially conservative/NeoCon. The socially conservative ideology is a detriment to prosperity, though trickle-down economics surely isn't helping either.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 12:08 pm


States like Mississippi and Alabama (red states with far-right policy, mind you) rank among the highest in terms of obesity, lowest in education, etc for a multitude of reasons. 
However, I would note that a couple of Republican-leaning states, such as Wyomimg, seem to be prospering somewhat. Low crime rates, high quality of life, etc. Those states are more libertarian in collective mindset than socially conservative/NeoCon. The socially conservative ideology is a detriment to prosperity, though trickle-down economics surely isn't helping either.

That's becaue states like Wyoming are sparsely populated and very homogeneous (over 90% White).

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 12:43 pm

What's in Wyoming? Isn't it just farms? I looked it up, and it doesn't pop up in any best quality of life lists.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 12:51 pm


What's in Wyoming? Isn't it just farms? I looked it up, and it doesn't pop up in any best quality of life lists.

What's in Wyoming?...well the joke is:

In Wyoming, there is plains and flatlands, horses, cowboys, White people, cows, more White people and even more cows ;D.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/19/17 at 1:12 pm


That's becaue states like Wyoming are sparsely populated and very homogeneous (over 90% White).


Maybe so. I would also add Utah to the very, very short list of semi-prosperous "conservative" states and Utah is nowhere near as homogeneous as Wyoming is but at the same time, you couldn't pay me to live long-term in Utah. Too heavy of a LDS influence. I COULD, however, live in South Dakota or Wyoming easily.
Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Kansas, and various other states make up a long list of sheeshty red states with sheeshty policies and I live in one of them.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 1:16 pm


What's in Wyoming?...well the joke is:

In Wyoming, there is plains and flatlands, horses, cowboys, White people, cows, more White people and even more cows ;D.


Wow the state is literally a perfect square. I guess you won't be seeing the state's map on the side of trucks ;D

It looks beautiful though. But I mean... Kazakhstan is beautiful too, doesn't mean it's a good place to live. :o

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 1:21 pm


Maybe so. I would also add Utah to the very, very short list of semi-prosperous "conservative" states and Utah is nowhere near as homogeneous as Wyoming is but at the same time, you couldn't pay me to live long-term in Utah. Too heavy of a LDS influence. I COULD, however, live in South Dakota or Wyoming easily.
Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Kansas, and various other states make up a long list of sheeshty red states with sheeshty policies and I live in one of them.


I thought you said you lived in Florida? :P

A lot of the northern midwestern states like the Dakotas have a lot of oi and wealthl, so they're probably not too bad depending on what kind of life you want to live.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/19/17 at 1:23 pm


I thought you said you lived in Florida? :P


I do. Florida is one of the various states I forgot to mention in the long list of "sheesty" states with "sheesty" policies.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 1:26 pm


Maybe so. I would also add Utah to the very, very short list of semi-prosperous "conservative" states and Utah is nowhere near as homogeneous as Wyoming is but at the same time, you couldn't pay me to live long-term in Utah. Too heavy of a LDS influence. I COULD, however, live in South Dakota or Wyoming easily.
Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Kansas, and various other states make up a long list of sheeshty red states with sheeshty policies and I live in one of them.

Utah is 89% White and Wyoming is ~93% White....so Utah is not far off from Wyoming.

Anyways, out of all those states the only place I would live in is Georgia but only in Atlanta or the Atlanta suburbs. South Dakota and Wyoming too quiet and sparsely populated for me.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 1:27 pm


Wow the state is literally a perfect square. I guess you won't be seeing the state's map on the side of trucks ;D

It looks beautiful though. But I mean... Kazakhstan is beautiful too, doesn't mean it's a good place to live. :o

I agree ;D.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 1:28 pm


I do. Florida is one of the various states I forgot to mention in the long list of "sheesty" states with "sheesty" policies.

My opinion of Florida:
https://media.giphy.com/media/zNyBPu5hEFpu/giphy.gif

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 1:54 pm


I do. Florida is one of the various states I forgot to mention in the long list of "sheesty" states with "sheesty" policies.


Ah, I misread that.

I went to Florida in 2015, I really enjoyed it. But that was Orlando , I'm guessing the rest of the state, in particular the north is what's dragging it down. I heard the north is basically an extension of Mississippi ;D

If South and Central Florida were their own state it would be much better.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 1:58 pm


Ah, I misred that.

I went to Florida in 2015, I really enjoyed it. But that was Orlando , I'm guessing the rest of the state, in particular the north is what's dragging it down. I heard the north is basically an extension of Mississippi ;D

If South and Central Florida were their own state it would be much better.

I've been to Florida twice. I went in 2009 (Miami & Ft. Lauderdale) and 2016 (Orlando). Those areas were nice (mostly). However, most of the rest of Florida is well......no bueno in my view. There is an area in North Florida called "Redneck Riviera". I'm not lying look it up :-X. Florida is too crazy and "redneck" for me (with the exceptions).

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 2:33 pm


I've been to Florida twice. I went in 2009 (Miami & Ft. Lauderdale) and 2016 (Orlando). Those areas were nice (mostly). However, most of the rest of Florida is well......no bueno in my view. There is an area in North Florida called "Redneck Riviera". I'm not lying look it up :-X. Florida is too crazy and "redneck" for me (with the exceptions).


Nice! Miami sounds cool.

And LOL at Redneck Riviera ;D All these places remind me of the movie Waterboy. That was probably my first exposure to the US South, and I imagine it's always like that.  :-X

Anyway, this thread is a perfect example of liberal elitism.  ;D

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 2:42 pm


Nice! Miami sounds cool.

The tourist parts of Miami are cool....not cool outside of them :-X. Miami and South Florida also have this weird weather pattern where it pours rain for like 15 minutes around 3 pm.


And LOL at Redneck Riviera ;D All these places remind me of the movie Waterboy. That was probably my first exposure to the US South, and I imagine it's always like that.  :-X

In Florida, the more north you go...the more southern Florida becomes .


Anyway, this thread is a perfect example of liberal elitism.  ;D

True but who cares :-X.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 2:51 pm


The tourist parts of Miami are cool....not cool outside of them :-X. Miami and South Florida also have this weird weather pattern where it pours rain for like 15 minutes around 3 pm.
In Florida, the more north you go...the more southern Florida becomes .
True but who cares :-X.


Fool, the weather is the best thing about Miami. No one cares about rain. It's not the UK or something.  :-X :-X :-X

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/19/17 at 2:57 pm

Each part of Florida has something uniquely "sheesty" to them. North Florida has an extremely backwards political philosophy, ultra-conservative and stuck in the past. Central Florida is bland as hell, with an over-abundance of strip malls and crystal meth, and an under-abundance of natural beauty. South Florida is rude as it gets, with horrific traffic, unreasonable cost of living and a fairly high violent-crime rate. Also, bugs. Lots of bugs to go around. And humidity.
I guess I could see myself living in AZ, as I have cousins there and the job market seems to be solid and steady (or so I hear). Climate is better, IMO.
But NM is a purple-to-blue leaning state, and one of my personal faves.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 2:58 pm


Fool, the weather is the best thing about Miami. No one cares about rain. It's not the UK or something.  :-X :-X :-X

Fool! I was just telling you about a weird weather pattern in Miami not that people don't like the weather of Miami :-X.

Personally, I dislike hot weather. I rather visit Aspen over visiting Miami again.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 3:01 pm


Each part of Florida has something uniquely "sheesty" to them. North Florida has an extremely backwards political philosophy, ultra-conservative and stuck in the past. Central Florida is bland as hell, with an over-abundance of strip malls and crystal meth, and an under-abundance of natural beauty. South Florida is rude as it gets, with horrific traffic, unreasonable cost of living and a fairly high violent-crime rate. Also, bugs. Lots of bugs to go around. And humidity.
I guess I could see myself living in AZ, as I have cousins there and the job market seems to be solid and steady (or so I hear). Climate is better, IMO.
But NM is a purple-to-blue leaning state, and one of my personal faves.

Your assessment of Florida while stereotypical is pretty accurate, lol.

I could never live in AZ or NM....too hot and too much of a desert for my states.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/19/17 at 3:17 pm


Your assessment of Florida while stereotypical is pretty accurate, lol.

I could never live in AZ or NM....too hot and too much of a desert for my states.


Have you ever spent quality time in a desert area? Desert heat is more tolerable than humid heat. Just my experience

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 3:19 pm


Have you ever spent quality time in a desert area? Desert heat is more tolerable than humid heat. Just my experience

Did you not see me say that I dislike hot weather...PERIOD? It doesn't matter if it's "desert heat" or "humid heat".....I DON'T like hot weather.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 4:00 pm

Legend:

Green – I'd be ever thankful if I was born in these places
Blue – I'd be content if I was born in these places
Orange – I'd be okay with being born in these places, but I could do better and I'd probably move...
Red – F*ck NO, if I were born in these places I'd get out of these places as soon as I could. ;D

https://www.gasfoodnolodging.com/vsmap/M1111444221431211114121311111133114114241111114411134222311424227-800.svg

edit: that's my personal opinion of course, don't feel bad if you're in those red places. :-X

edit 2: I was probably being too harsh on Alberta and Newfoundland. I'd put those in green and blue respectively, they're not too bad honestly.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/19/17 at 4:07 pm

I love hot weather. Especially humid weather like in the tropics.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 4:12 pm


Legend:

Green – I'd be ever thankful if I was born in these places
Blue – I'd be content if I was born in these places
Orange – I'd be okay with being born in these places, but I could do better and I'd probably move...
Red – F*ck NO, if I were born in these places I'd get out of these places as soon as I could. ;D

https://www.gasfoodnolodging.com/vsmap/M1111444221431211114121311111133114114241111114411134222311424227-800.svg

edit: that's my personal opinion of course, don't feel bad if you're in those red places. :-X

Here's my personal opinion:
http://i.imgur.com/E0Ec4Uv.png


I love hot weather. Especially humid weather like in the tropics.

That's not a surprise....most people do. I freaking hate hot weather....if I'm going to vacation then fine but to live in a place that's hot year round...HELL NO!!!!!.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 4:17 pm


Here's my personal opinion:
http://i.imgur.com/E0Ec4Uv.png
That's not a surprise....most people do. I freaking hate hot weather....if I'm going to vacation then fine but to live in a place that's hot year round...HELL NO!!!!!.


Basically mine, but more picky ;D

I love hot weather. Especially humid weather like in the tropics.


That's the correct opinion.

California, Florida, Caribbean, Spain, Southern France, Italy, Mediterranean, Thailand, Indonesia, etc. That is the weather for human beings! I'd add Australia but spiders grow in that climate.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 4:27 pm


Basically mine, but more picky ;D
That's the correct opinion.

Correct ;D.


California, Florida, Caribbean, Spain, Southern France, Italy, Mediterranean, Thailand, Indonesia, etc. That is the weather for human beings! I'd add Australia but spiders grow in that climate.

Those places are nice to visit but not to live, IMO.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 06/19/17 at 4:29 pm


I've been to Florida twice. I went in 2009 (Miami & Ft. Lauderdale) and 2016 (Orlando). Those areas were nice (mostly). However, most of the rest of Florida is well......no bueno in my view. There is an area in North Florida called "Redneck Riviera". I'm not lying look it up :-X. Florida is too crazy and "redneck" for me (with the exceptions).


So if I were to ever travel to the US, you wouldn't recommend visiting Florida? It's interesting hearing your opinions on Florida, because I always thought that it was one of the best states to go and see, because of Disneyland and Miami. Shows how much I know! :P

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 06/19/17 at 4:36 pm


I'd add Australia but spiders grow in that climate.


It's honestly not as bad as people think it is. I can't even remember the last time I saw a spider! :P

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 4:41 pm


So if I were to ever travel to the US, you wouldn't recommend visiting Florida? It's interesting hearing your opinions on Florida, because I always thought that it was one of the best states to go and see, because of Disneyland and Miami. Shows how much I know! :P

Disneyland is in California (Anaheim). Disney World, on the other hand, is in Florida (Orlando) and the tourist parts of Miami are nice. If you stick to the big cities of Florida (Jacksonville, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, etc) they are nice to visit but Florida is crazy outside of the cities and it's a running joke here in America that Floridians are a crazy bunch (because lot's of crazy and f*cked up stuff happens there).


It's honestly not as bad as people think it is. I can't even remember the last time I saw a spider! :P

Maybe, it's because you're used to them so they become normal ;D...jk.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/19/17 at 4:46 pm


Legend:

Green – I'd be ever thankful if I was born in these places
Blue – I'd be content if I was born in these places
Orange – I'd be okay with being born in these places, but I could do better and I'd probably move...
Red – F*ck NO, if I were born in these places I'd get out of these places as soon as I could. ;D

https://www.gasfoodnolodging.com/vsmap/M1111444221431211114121311111133114114241111114411134222311424227-800.svg

edit: that's my personal opinion of course, don't feel bad if you're in those red places. :-X

edit 2: I was probably being too harsh on Alberta and Newfoundland. I'd put those in green and blue respectively, they're not too bad honestly.


I am making this list on multiple criteria, not solely politics (because I increasingly despise modern politics) but politics plays a role nonetheless.

RED: Mississippi, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, Ohio, Arkansas.
ORANGE: Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, West Virginia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Virginia, Delaware, Rhode Island, Maryland, Oklahoma, Kansas, Utah, Iowa, Missouri.
BLUE: Arizona, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Nevada, Idaho, Colorado, Maine, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania.
GREEN: New Hampshire, Vermont, Wyoming, New Mexico, California, Oregon, Washington, South Dakota, Montana, Alaska.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 4:52 pm


So if I were to ever travel to the US, you wouldn't recommend visiting Florida? It's interesting hearing your opinions on Florida, because I always thought that it was one of the best states to go and see, because of Disneyland and Miami. Shows how much I know! :P


Don't listen to him! Reignman Snow knows nothing. I had an amazing time in Orlando. Yes, Disney World was amazing, and so was Universal Studios. They had amazing food down there. The weather was great at 40C. The people there were friendly and talkative too.


And also the guys there were SUPER hot. Wow!  :-[ Actually, they were either really obese or they were muscular. Everyone being BIG was one of the first things I noticed. It was stereotypical American. And I'm skin and bones basically at 120 lbs / 55 kg. I probably looked like an alien. ;D


Avoid Sea World though, that's a tourist trap if I've ever been to one.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 4:55 pm


Don't listen to him! Reignman Snow knows nothing. I had an amazing time in Orlando. Yes, Disney World was amazing, and so was Universal Studios. They had amazing food down there. The weather was great at 40C. The people there were friendly and talkative too.

What did I say that was wrong? I said that the big cities of Florida like Orlando are nice to visit ???. You're right about the people of Orlando (mostly).



And also the guys there were SUPER hot. Wow!  :-
Avoid Sea World though, that's a tourist trap if I've ever been to one.

I went to Sea World....wasn't the greatest but wasn't horrible though (well, to visit...:-X)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 5:19 pm


What did I say that was wrong? I said that the big cities of Florida like Orlando are nice to visit ???. You're right about the people of Orlando (mostly).
That is actually true ;D (I'm not gay though).
I went to Sea World....wasn't the greatest but wasn't horrible though (well, to visit...:-X)


Your Florida bashing has gone too far.

Sea World wasn't bad necessarily, but it was definitely a rip off. And I got to go for free! I'd have rather spent more time in Disney World.


I am making this list on multiple criteria, not solely politics (because I increasingly despise modern politics) but politics plays a role nonetheless.

RED: Mississippi, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, Ohio, Arkansas.
ORANGE: Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, West Virginia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Virginia, Delaware, Rhode Island, Maryland, Oklahoma, Kansas, Utah, Iowa, Missouri.
BLUE: Arizona, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Nevada, Idaho, Colorado, Maine, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania.
GREEN: New Hampshire, Vermont, Wyoming, New Mexico, California, Oregon, Washington, South Dakota, Montana, Alaska.


Wow. You don't even like your own state! Maybe I should reassess.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 5:36 pm


Your Florida bashing has gone too far.

How has it gone too far? ??? Maybe, it's because you're Canadian...so you don't...never mind.


Sea World wasn't bad necessarily, but it was definitely a rip off. And I got to go for free! I'd have rather spent more time in Disney World.

I didn't say that Sea World was bad...just said that it was average. I want to go to Disney World someday.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: annimal on 06/19/17 at 5:41 pm

I just rather go back to Marine World

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 5:46 pm


I just rather go back to Marine World

Marine World? What is that? ???

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 5:46 pm


How has it gone too far? ??? Maybe, it's because you're Canadian...so you don't...never mind.
I didn't say that Sea World was bad...just said that it was average. I want to go to Disney World someday.


I'm just joking bruh ;)

I just rather go back to Marine World


Marineland in Niagara Falls is more fun! Mostly because the weather is moderate, it's much cheaper and has better rollercoasters.  :-X

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 5:48 pm


I'm just joking bruh ;)

Oh OK....you were worrying me for a sec :-\\ :).

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Brian06 on 06/19/17 at 6:29 pm

I lived in Florida a while...including during the height of summer. It sucks big time. The air is like a closed up bathroom after a hot shower from like April to November. My car got infested with ants several times. My apartment had large roaches. There's huge fire ant mounds all over the place. It rains so much in the summer that half of my apartment's parking lot was like under water for a couple weeks. The traffic is insane and it takes forever to get anywhere. The drivers are horrible. Car insurance is like over twice as expensive as anywhere else. Wages are low. Housing is expensive. Overall the place sucks for living.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Brian06 on 06/19/17 at 6:39 pm

I'm kind of getting sick of Ohio too admittedly though I like it better than Florida for living overall. There's way too many Trump loving #MAGA idiots here. I saw another "Trump: Make America Great Again" bumper sticker on the way home today and it made me wanna throw up.  8-P

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/19/17 at 7:01 pm


I'm kind of getting sick of Ohio too admittedly though I like it better than Florida for living overall. There's way too many Trump loving #MAGA idiots here. I saw another "Trump: Make America Great Again" bumper sticker on the way home today and it made me wanna throw up.  8-P


Ohio is a conservative-leaning swing state with a lot of "Reagan Democrats" to go around. That being said, it's not quite as backwards-seeming as Florida might be.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/19/17 at 8:00 pm

Going back to the original topic, we are about halfway through the year and 2017 does not seem at all super distant and different compared to the rest of the decade. Unless something drastic happens in the next few months, which I don't see happening, this year has had very little change overall.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 8:05 pm


I'm kind of getting sick of Ohio too admittedly though I like it better than Florida for living overall. There's way too many Trump loving #MAGA idiots here. I saw another "Trump: Make America Great Again" bumper sticker on the way home today and it made me wanna throw up.  8-P


That's what scares me about Middle America. My friend who's Jamaican (half black, half Chinese) drove down to Florida for vacation once, they got lost somewhere in Virginia so they asked around, and got "people like you shouldn't be around here, do you know where you are?" And then he realized he was in some KKK town :o This was in 2007 or 2008, so long before Trump and even before Obama. I have no idea what it's like now. You expect these things to get better over time, but it's probably even worse in 2017.  :-X

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: John Titor on 06/19/17 at 8:09 pm


Going back to the original topic, we are about halfway through the year and 2017 does not seem at all super distant and different compared to the rest of the decade. Unless something drastic happens in the next few months, which I don't see happening, this year has had very little change overall.


not really 2017 has the feel of what 1997 was

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Mat1991 on 06/19/17 at 8:25 pm


I'm kind of getting sick of Ohio too admittedly though I like it better than Florida for living overall. There's way too many Trump loving #MAGA idiots here. I saw another "Trump: Make America Great Again" bumper sticker on the way home today and it made me wanna throw up.  8-P


I live in Texas and occasionally I'll see somebody at my job (usually some white dude) wearing pro-Trump attire. I thought about buying a wearing a pro-Hillary shirt because I seldom see any love for her.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/19/17 at 8:34 pm


I live in Texas and occasionally I'll see somebody at my job (usually some white dude) wearing pro-Trump attire. I thought about buying a wearing a pro-Hillary shirt because I seldom see any love for her.


Go for it. I'd wear pro-Gary Johnson attire because I seldom see any love for him (yes, yes, I know, the Aleppo slip. But thats petty as hell compared to the errors and "sins" politicians and men of power commit daily)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 8:43 pm


I'm kind of getting sick of Ohio too admittedly though I like it better than Florida for living overall. There's way too many Trump loving #MAGA idiots here. I saw another "Trump: Make America Great Again" bumper sticker on the way home today and it made me wanna throw up.  8-P

I live in NYC and I haven't seen much Trump merch.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 8:45 pm


Going back to the original topic, we are about halfway through the year and 2017 does not seem at all super distant and different compared to the rest of the decade. Unless something drastic happens in the next few months, which I don't see happening, this year has had very little change overall.

I agree with you.


not really 2017 has the feel of what 1997 was

What do you mean? ???

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 8:47 pm


I live in Texas and occasionally I'll see somebody at my job (usually some white dude) wearing pro-Trump attire. I thought about buying a wearing a pro-Hillary shirt because I seldom see any love for her.

Where in Texas do you live? Isn't that dangerous? :-\\

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 8:48 pm


That's what scares me about Middle America. My friend who's Jamaican (half black, half Chinese) drove down to Florida for vacation once, they got lost somewhere in Virginia so they asked around, and got "people like you shouldn't be around here, do you know where you are?" And then he realized he was in some KKK town :o This was in 2007 or 2008, so long before Trump and even before Obama. I have no idea what it's like now. You expect these things to get better over time, but it's probably even worse in 2017.  :-X

Damn....WTF? That's so scary....that would suck to experience :(.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Brian06 on 06/19/17 at 8:51 pm


I live in NYC and I haven't seen much Trump merch.


Last year I drove through rural IN, OH, and PA...Trump signs absolutely everywhere. Along with "Hillary for prison" signs. I actually talked to quite a few people in small town PA too and all they talked about was Hillary's emails, Benghazi and how she wanted to take their guns away. Some weren't that fond of Trump but to them it was "anybody but Hillary".

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 8:58 pm


Last year I drove through rural IN, OH, and PA...Trump signs absolutely everywhere. Along with "Hillary for prison" signs. I actually talked to quite a few people in small town PA too and all they talked about was Hillary's emails, Benghazi and how she wanted to take their guns away. Some weren't that fond of Trump but to them it was "anybody but Hillary".

Yeah I know. I went on a school trip to PA and we drove through rural PA and I saw a ton of Pro-Trump signs. Not a single pro-Hillary sign.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/19/17 at 9:08 pm


Last year I drove through rural IN, OH, and PA...Trump signs absolutely everywhere. Along with "Hillary for prison" signs. I actually talked to quite a few people in small town PA too and all they talked about was Hillary's emails, Benghazi and how she wanted to take their guns away. Some weren't that fond of Trump but to them it was "anybody but Hillary".


Small-town/rural PA is coal country though. Hillary's environmental and economic policies just didn't seem to be too conducive to the coal industry and their members. I know where I stand on the issue (respectfully not with the industry) but I just thought I'd provide some perspective

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: mxcrashxm on 06/19/17 at 9:38 pm

I honestly don't think that 2017 seems all that different compared to the rest of the decade. Besides, the tensions from the last 2/3 years and this year have calmed down yet. If the culture becomes carefree either within a few months or by next year, that will be great. For now, I think this will last until at least 2020.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 9:58 pm


Going back to the original topic, we are about halfway through the year and 2017 does not seem at all super distant and different compared to the rest of the decade. Unless something drastic happens in the next few months, which I don't see happening, this year has had very little change overall.


What about the Switch?

http://i.imgur.com/ESeQpKD.gif


I live in Texas and occasionally I'll see somebody at my job (usually some white dude) wearing pro-Trump attire. I thought about buying a wearing a pro-Hillary shirt because I seldom see any love for her.


It should say "Miss me yet?" for maximum troll.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 06/19/17 at 10:21 pm


Don't listen to him! Reignman Snow knows nothing. I had an amazing time in Orlando. Yes, Disney World was amazing, and so was Universal Studios. They had amazing food down there. The weather was great at 40C. The people there were friendly and talkative too.


40c isn't good weather! That's torture! :P

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 10:25 pm


40c isn't good weather! That's torture! :P


Hey! When I returned to Toronto it was like 5C with strong winds and dark gloomy skies, and it snowed a few days later, in early October! I was thinking about getting out and moving there! This was right before Trump ;D

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 06/19/17 at 10:33 pm


Hey! When I returned to Toronto it was like 5C with strong winds and dark gloomy skies, and it snowed a few days later, in early October! I was thinking about getting out and moving there! This was right before Trump ;D


I guess that's understandable. :P I don't receive snow where I live and the only time the temperature ever drops below 10C, is during the night or the early hours of the morning in Autumn and Winter. So I guess that doesn't compare with the temperatures you experience in Toronto. :P If I want to see snow, I have to travel for over 5 hours!

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 10:35 pm


Hey! When I returned to Toronto it was like 5C with strong winds and dark gloomy skies, and it snowed a few days later, in early October! I was thinking about getting out and moving there! This was right before Trump ;D

That sounds alright and I freaking LOVE snow!!!!! ❄ ❄ ❄

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/19/17 at 10:46 pm


Hey! When I returned to Toronto it was like 5C with strong winds and dark gloomy skies, and it snowed a few days later, in early October! I was thinking about getting out and moving there! This was right before Trump ;D

We get that in May and September here in Alberta. Sometimes it even snows in June and August.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 10:52 pm


I guess that's understandable. :P I don't receive snow where I live and the only time the temperature ever drops below 10C, is during the night or the early hours of the morning in Autumn and Winter. So I guess that doesn't compare with the temperatures you experience in Toronto. :P If I want to see snow, I have to travel for over 5 hours!


Australian weather sounds amazing, even the summer (sorry). *_* Too bad about the spiders... I know you said you hadn't seen one in years, but even that spider you saw back then could've killed me, y'know.  :-X

Have you ever seen snow before?


That sounds alright and I freaking LOVE snow!!!!! ❄ ❄ ❄


I notice the people who love winter the most come from places without real winters.  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X


We get that in May and September here in Alberta. Sometimes it even snows in June and August.


I saw that on Facebook! You think you're safe in the summer but you can never escape the heartless snow.  :\'( :\'(

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Written By: Slim95 on 06/19/17 at 10:54 pm


I notice the people who love winter the most come from places without real winters.  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

I feel that. I hate winter after multiple days of -40 with wind chill.

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Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 11:06 pm


I feel that. I hate winter after multiple days of -40 with wind chill.


That's the worst! It physically hurts to breath and you feel like there's a thousand needles stabbing you in the face. Then it takes two hours to get home because of the traffic, and it's already dark out at 3:30PM  8-P Oh my god, it's June and I'm already dreading it. ;D

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 06/19/17 at 11:08 pm


Australian weather sounds amazing, even the summer (sorry). *_* Too bad about the spiders... I know you said you hadn't seen one in years, but even that spider you saw back then could've killed me, y'know.  :-X

Have you ever seen snow before?


If you like the heat, then you would probably enjoy our weather (especially the northern parts of Australia, which are very tropical). You wouldn't like Tasmania (the island) though. 25C is considered a rarity down there. :P It hasn't been years since I have seen a spider, but it has been a fair while. To be fair, it wouldn't be any different to how it is in Canada or the US. It's not like we have venomous spiders living near own homes or anything. :P

I have seen snow on a few occasions in the past. It was very nice. :)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Mat1991 on 06/19/17 at 11:10 pm


Where in Texas do you live? Isn't that dangerous? :-\\


Arlington, which is in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Arlington itself is very conservative, but I wouldn't be afraid of wearing a pro-Hillary shirt. Hell, I got away with making out with another man at a straight bar  :D.

If people don't like it, they can go eff themselves. How do they think I feel seeing their pro-Trump, anti-gun control paraphernalia all the time?  8-P

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 11:14 pm


Arlington, which is in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Arlington itself is very conservative, but I wouldn't be afraid of wearing a pro-Hillary shirt. Hell, I got away with making out with another man at a straight bar  :D.

If people don't like it, they can go eff themselves. How do they think I feel seeing their pro-Trump, anti-gun control paraphernalia all the time?  8-P

OK bro. Be safe and rock on with that Hillary shirt! 8)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 11:16 pm


I notice the people who love winter the most come from places without real winters.  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

What are you talking about? ??? In NYC, we very much have real winters AND snow. I like winter and the snow.....it's an opinion. Most people in the world like Summer but NOT everyone.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/19/17 at 11:18 pm


That's the worst! It physically hurts to breath and you feel like there's a thousand needles stabbing you in the face. Then it takes two hours to get home because of the traffic, and it's already dark out at 3:30PM  8-P Oh my god, it's June and I'm already dreading it. ;D

That's extreme winters. I do think that anyone likes extreme winters. In Canada, you get those brutal winters because y'all are so far up. I like Winter (and Fall/Autumn) but not those extreme ones.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/19/17 at 11:25 pm


What are you talking about? ??? In NYC, we very much have real winters AND snow. What are you talking about? I like winter and the snow.....it's an opinion. Most people in the world like Summer but NOT everyone.


Oh my sweet summer child... In the North we would call that spring.

I'm pulling your leg ;D


If you like the heat, then you would probably enjoy our weather (especially the northern parts of Australia, which are very tropical). You wouldn't like Tasmania (the island) though. 25C is considered a rarity down there. :P It hasn't been years since I have seen a spider, but it has been a fair while. To be fair, it wouldn't be any different to how it is in Canada or the US. It's not like we have venomous spiders living near own homes or anything. :P

I have seen snow on a few occasions in the past. It was very nice. :)


By north do you mean closer to Indonesia? Or Gold Coast/Brisbane? Because Gold Coast looks stunning. I had an Australian teacher in middle school, and he would go back to Brisbane in the winter (summer over there). The pictures made us all jelly.  :-[

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Written By: HazelBlue99 on 06/19/17 at 11:48 pm


By north do you mean closer to Indonesia? Or Gold Coast/Brisbane? Because Gold Coast looks stunning. I had an Australian teacher in middle school, and he would go back to Brisbane in the winter (summer over there). The pictures made us all jelly.  :-[


The part of Australia closest to Papua New Guinea and the equator (basically, north Queensland and the Northern Territory) . Brisbane and the Gold Coast do receive warm temperatures, but they don't have a tropical climate.

I'm not really a fan of the Gold Coast, but I can understand why people like it. It has lots of theme parks as well. :)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 06/20/17 at 12:03 am

Am I the only person from the NorthEast/Canada that likes Florida?

I've gone down there plenty of times to see family members and such and I've never had a bad experience, which is funny because of all the crazy stuff you hear about the state on the news. Although FWIW, I've never been in Northern Florida which from what I've heard is Ultra-Conservative. I've spent most substantive time in Central-Southern Florida though, which actually reminds me a lot of NY/NJ in culture,  which I love :D

Hands down one of the more low key & chill southern states, not what you stereotypically envision in the South.


That's extreme winters. I do think that anyone likes extreme winters. In Canada, you get those brutal winters because y'all are so far up. I like Winter (and Fall/Autumn) but not those extreme ones.


While winters in NYC are rough, they're nowhere near as bad as winters in the Interior North East (Rochester, Buffalo), Mid West (Chicago, Milwaukee), or Canada (Toronto, Montreal).

Just for comparison sake look at the average temperatures of the largest city of the U.S (and probably the most definitive of what winter in the states is), aka NYC, with the average temperatures of Toronto, the largest city of Canada:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto


If you scroll to the climate sections of both pages you'll notice that in January (based on the Imperial system), both the coldest month for both cities;

NYC:

Average High: 38

Daily Mean: 32

Average Low: 26


Toronto:

Average High: 30

Daily Mean: 25

Average Low: 19


Toronto is significantly more colder. Their average high of 30 still manages to be lower than our daily mean :o.


The part of Australia closest to Papua New Guinea and the equator (basically, north Queensland and the Northern Territory) . Brisbane and the Gold Coast do receive warm temperatures, but they don't have a tropical climate.

I'm not really a fan of the Gold Coast, but I can understand why people like it. It has lots of theme parks as well. :)



Which section of Australia in your opinion is the best to live in?

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/20/17 at 12:10 am


Oh my sweet summer child... In the North we would call that spring.

I'm pulling your leg ;D

Stop doing that >:(.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/20/17 at 12:11 am


Oh my sweet summer child... In the North we would call that spring.

Love the GoT reference.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/20/17 at 12:16 am


While winters in NYC are rough, they're nowhere near as bad as winters in the Interior North East (Rochester, Buffalo), Mid West (Chicago, Milwaukee), or Canada (Toronto, Montreal).

Just for comparison sake look at the average temperatures of the largest city of the U.S (and probably the most definitive of what winter in the states is), aka NYC, with the average temperatures of Toronto, the largest city of Canada:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto


If you scroll to the climate sections of both pages you'll notice that in January (based on the Imperial system), both the coldest month for both cities;

NYC:

Average High: 38

Daily Mean: 32

Average Low: 26


Toronto:

Average High: 30

Daily Mean: 25

Average Low: 19


Toronto is significantly more colder. Their average high of 30 still manages to be lower than our daily mean :o.

I know that's why I said that Canada is more brutal but winters are still tough here. I still love winter though and I don't care what anybody says 8).

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 06/20/17 at 12:21 am


Which section of Australia in your opinion is the best to live in?


Tasmania (the island coloured in red).

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u431/SharksFan99/250px-Tasmania_in_Australia.svg_zps62xveopv.png

The state/island is absolutely beautiful. It only has a population of 515,000, so the lifestyle is more laid-back and appealing. It also has very nice temperatures. The average maximum temperature for Hobart (the largest city) is only 17C (63 F). I'm a fan of the cooler weather, so it really appeals to me. ;)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 06/20/17 at 12:34 am


Tasmania (the island coloured in red).

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u431/SharksFan99/250px-Tasmania_in_Australia.svg_zps62xveopv.png

The state/island is absolutely beautiful. It only has a population of 515,000, so the lifestyle is more laid-back and appealing. It also has very nice temperatures. The average maximum temperature for Hobart (the largest city) is only 17C (63 F). I'm a fan of the cooler weather, so it really appeals to me. ;)


That sounds awesome! Yeah Tasmania is pretty far from the equator, so its typically colder than the mainland of Australia. Personally my favorite type of weather is mild weather, Spring/Fall. Basically anything within the Later 40's through the early 70's is comfortable to me, with the 60's being the sweetspot! Here in the Northeastern United States we get a distinct sense of 4 seasons, however two of them are simply mild (40's-60's), while the other two are polar opposites with each other. It could occasionally get as cold as 10 degrees (Imperial system, based on the metric system -12 degrees) during winter, and as hot as 100 degrees (like last week) in the summer.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 06/20/17 at 12:34 am


I know that's why I said that Canada is more brutal but winters are still tough here. I still love winter though and I don't care what anybody says 8).

I hate winter but fall is my least favourite season because everything dies and the days get shorter and it's kind of a depressing time going back to school with summer ending and stuff. At least with winter there is some hope because the days get longer after the first day of winter plus the holidays put you in a good mood, and the snow can make things look nice sometimes. But summer is by far my favourite season!  8)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/20/17 at 12:37 am


I hate winter but fall is my least favourite season because everything dies and the days get shorter and it's kind of a depressing time going back to school with summer ending and stuff. At least with winter there is some hope because the days get longer after the first day of winter plus the holidays put you in a good mood, and the snow can make things look nice sometimes. But summer is by far my favourite season!  8)

I like the Fall/Autumn but the shorter days do suck. Snow is pretty before it turns into black or brown slush.....still love it though, lol. I like the holiday season as well even though I'm not nearly as excited for it as I used to be as a kid. Winter is my favorite season 8).

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/20/17 at 12:39 am

The parts of Australia I like the best are Perth, Sydney and the Gold Coast. However, Australia is far as hell away from NYC.

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Written By: 2001 on 06/20/17 at 1:41 pm


Am I the only person from the NorthEast/Canada that likes Florida?

I've gone down there plenty of times to see family members and such and I've never had a bad experience, which is funny because of all the crazy stuff you hear about the state on the news. Although FWIW, I've never been in Northern Florida which from what I've heard is Ultra-Conservative. I've spent most substantive time in Central-Southern Florida though, which actually reminds me a lot of NY/NJ in culture,  which I love :D

Hands down one of the more low key & chill southern states, not what you stereotypically envision in the South.


Nope! You're not alone. I like Florida too.  8) Like I said, if someone saws off the panhandle it would be a much better run place. It's beautiful!


While winters in NYC are rough, they're nowhere near as bad as winters in the Interior North East (Rochester, Buffalo), Mid West (Chicago, Milwaukee), or Canada (Toronto, Montreal).

Just for comparison sake look at the average temperatures of the largest city of the U.S (and probably the most definitive of what winter in the states is), aka NYC, with the average temperatures of Toronto, the largest city of Canada:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto


If you scroll to the climate sections of both pages you'll notice that in January (based on the Imperial system), both the coldest month for both cities;

NYC:

Average High: 38

Daily Mean: 32

Average Low: 26


Toronto:

Average High: 30

Daily Mean: 25

Average Low: 19


Toronto is significantly more colder. Their average high of 30 still manages to be lower than our daily mean :o.


And that's Toronto By-The-Lake! I used to live near there and it was much warmer and didn't snow as much, thanks to the lake effect. I live further north into the interior of Ontario now, not too far from we call the "Snow Belt". Send help!

Where Slim lives is probably even colder. If I'm from Winterfell, he's a Wildling. Don't trust anything he says.  :-X


Love the GoT reference.


I'm hyped for the next season :D

Stop doing that >:(.


But it's funny!

Tasmania (the island coloured in red).

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u431/SharksFan99/250px-Tasmania_in_Australia.svg_zps62xveopv.png

The state/island is absolutely beautiful. It only has a population of 515,000, so the lifestyle is more laid-back and appealing. It also has very nice temperatures. The average maximum temperature for Hobart (the largest city) is only 17C (63 F). I'm a fan of the cooler weather, so it really appeals to me. ;)


17C? That's lower than room temperature. The heater must be on all day. Waste! I say we saw this place off and let it drift towards Antarctica where it belongs!

Just kidding. Tasmania is beautiful! It doesn't have man-eating spiders or drop bears like the mainland either. I will definitely visit Tas one day as well as Aus once I conquer my arachnophobia (or more likely, my flame throwing skills)  8)

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Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/20/17 at 1:56 pm

A map of NOPE Land :-X:

http://i.imgur.com/HoR7Mwo.jpg


Don't kill me SharksFan99 :(.

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Written By: 2001 on 06/20/17 at 2:24 pm


A map of NOPE Land :-X:

http://i.imgur.com/HoR7Mwo.jpg


Don't kill me SharksFan99 :(.


It's terrifying how in Australia they name their cities after the thing that's most likely to kill you. It's probably best I live in this place called "Nothing", and I will try my best to avoid this place called "Steve Irwin".

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/20/17 at 2:29 pm


I like how in Australia they name their cities after the thing that's most likely to kill you. It's probably best I live in this place called "Nothing", and I will try my best to avoid "Steve Irwin".

I like your style! 8)

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: tv on 06/24/17 at 5:49 pm


States like Mississippi and Alabama (red states with far-right policy, mind you) rank among the highest in terms of obesity, lowest in education, etc for a multitude of reasons. 
However, I would note that a couple of Republican-leaning states, such as Wyomimg, seem to be prospering somewhat. Low crime rates, high quality of life, etc. Those states are more libertarian in collective mindset than socially conservative/NeoCon. The socially conservative ideology is a detriment to prosperity, though trickle-down economics surely isn't helping either.
I don't know from my vantage point though since I live in NJ I think Mississippi and Alabama are far right on social policy but not so much on fiscal/economic policy.

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Written By: tv on 06/24/17 at 6:01 pm


Maybe so. I would also add Utah to the very, very short list of semi-prosperous "conservative" states and Utah is nowhere near as homogeneous as Wyoming is but at the same time, you couldn't pay me to live long-term in Utah. Too heavy of a LDS influence. I COULD, however, live in South Dakota or Wyoming easily.
Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Kansas, and various other states make up a long list of sheeshty red states with sheeshty policies and I live in one of them.
I could live in Louisiana(yes that is an exception to me not living in a Deep South State.)  I went to Georgia a couple years ago for a family members wedding its was too hot for me to consider living there. I could give Wyoming a try only if it had an ocean next to it since I am a  Jersey Shore person. At least Wyoming is not far-right on Social Policy they don't really care about gay marriage there I don't think.  Wyoming is probably a pro-life state but they are not crazy pro-life like the Deep South States are. I think Tennessee is a nice state(never been there) but I would never think about living there. Missouri-Maybe the St. Louis burbs I could give a thought about living there. The rest of those states I couldn't live there. Utah-its would be too hot for me in the summer I think for me to live there.

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Written By: tv on 06/24/17 at 6:12 pm


Ah, I misread that.

I went to Florida in 2015, I really enjoyed it. But that was Orlando , I'm guessing the rest of the state, in particular the north is what's dragging it down. I heard the north is basically an extension of Mississippi ;D

If South and Central Florida were their own state it would be much better.
Yes the Florida Panhandle part of Florida is basically like Alabama and Mississippi I have heard. Basically below I-10 the state is not Deep South culturally which would be a simple way of putting it. I used to go to Florida in the early 1990's(1990-1993) to Gainesville to visit relatives and that area doesn't strike me as Deep South culturally.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Stillinthe90s on 06/24/17 at 6:19 pm


I don't know from my vantage point though since I live in NJ I think Mississippi and Alabama are far right on social policy but not so much on fiscal/economic policy.


Wyoming's numbers are utterly skewed by the presence of a millionaire and billionaire community around the Tetons. With such a small population, a handful of super rich with second homes there skew the numbers in a big way. Other than that, Wyoming is just ranching and coal mining and some tourism.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/24/17 at 6:39 pm


Wyoming's numbers are utterly skewed by the presence of a millionaire and billionaire community around the Tetons. With such a small population, a handful of super rich with second homes there skew the numbers in a big way. Other than that, Wyoming is just ranching and coal mining and some tourism.


It is, overall, a nice state though. A lot of filth, crime and rudeness galore in other states. Don't know if I'd want to live in CT. Certainly would prefer not to live in MS. NJ, eh, depends. OH, I'll pass. But it depends on where in the above states. Biloxi, Mississippi is an interesting beach town that's nothing like the rest of the state in terms of social atmosphere, scenery, etc. Northwest New Jersey looks pretty enough. Cleveland has the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. CT has some attractive beach towns in the lower part and top-notch scenery in the upper part.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Stillinthe90s on 06/24/17 at 7:09 pm


It is, overall, a nice state though. A lot of filth, crime and rudeness galore in other states. Don't know if I'd want to live in CT. Certainly would prefer not to live in MS. NJ, eh, depends. OH, I'll pass. But it depends on where in the above states. Biloxi, Mississippi is an interesting beach town that's nothing like the rest of the state in terms of social atmosphere, scenery, etc. Northwest New Jersey looks pretty enough. Cleveland has the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. CT has some attractive beach towns in the lower part and top-notch scenery in the upper part.


The Rocky Mountain region is beautiful. I'm currently in the process of deciding where to move next (have lived in a quite a few places in my life) and Washington is high on my list. I miss the western mountains.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/24/17 at 7:25 pm

I would only live in NY (already here), MA, PA, WA, CA.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/24/17 at 7:28 pm


The Rocky Mountain region is beautiful. I'm currently in the process of deciding where to move next (have lived in a quite a few places in my life) and Washington is high on my list. I miss the western mountains.


I thought you said you lived in Denver? Aren't the rockies all around you?

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Stillinthe90s on 06/24/17 at 7:30 pm


I thought you said you lived in Denver? Aren't the rockies all around you?


I used to live in Denver until 2013 and now miss it badly.

Also, living in Denver, the mountains are immediately to the west, not all around. It's on the Front Range, the boundary between the high plains and the foothills of the Rockies. But Denver is really more plains and steppe climate than mountain taiga.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 06/24/17 at 7:33 pm


I used to live in Denver until 2013 and now miss it badly.

Also, living in Denver, the mountains are immediately to the west, not all around. It's on the Front Range, the boundary between the high plains and the foothills of the Rockies. But Denver is really more plains and steppe climate than mountain taiga.


Oh, I see. You learn something new everyday. :)

I'd love to live near the Rockies in Vancouver, but not with those housing prices ;D

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Stillinthe90s on 06/24/17 at 7:39 pm


Oh, I see. You learn something new everyday. :)

I'd love to live near the Rockies in Vancouver, but not with those housing prices ;D


My bad, the Rockies are more montane forest than taiga, since taiga, though similar, can be lowland.

Yeah, Vancouver, Seattle etc. are awesome, but the costs are out of this world. Such a pity!

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: aja675 on 06/25/17 at 10:16 am


That sounds awesome! Yeah Tasmania is pretty far from the equator, so its typically colder than the mainland of Australia. Personally my favorite type of weather is mild weather, Spring/Fall. Basically anything within the Later 40's through the early 70's is comfortable to me, with the 60's being the sweetspot! Here in the Northeastern United States we get a distinct sense of 4 seasons, however two of them are simply mild (40's-60's), while the other two are polar opposites with each other. It could occasionally get as cold as 10 degrees (Imperial system, based on the metric system -12 degrees) during winter, and as hot as 100 degrees (like last week) in the summer.
Yeah, same, I love mild climates. I even have this Mary Sue fantasy where I've moved around all the continents and I've moved my town to this empty spot in the ocean with a mild climate: https://darksky.net/forecast/-30.6,-14.03/si12/en

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: aja675 on 06/25/17 at 11:58 pm


40c isn't good weather! That's torture! :P
I haven't actually experienced that, at most I've only experienced 38 C, but what's worse is when the heat is lying and when it's not even as hot as it feels, it just feels hotter than it really is.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/26/17 at 12:18 am


I would only live in NY (already here), MA, PA, WA, CA.


Both rural PA and WA contain a substantial amount of "redneck" culture so if you don't wanna be around that kinda influence, then Philly/Pittsburgh and Seattle/Tacoma only.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/26/17 at 8:10 am


Both rural PA and WA contain a substantial amount of "redneck" culture so if you don't wanna be around that kinda influence, then Philly/Pittsburgh and Seattle/Tacoma only.

Yeah....I never said rural PA and rural WA. I would live in Philadelphia or the Philly surburbs, Pittsburgh or it's suburbs. In Washington, I would only live in....Seattle or the Seattle suburbs.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: HeyJealousy on 06/26/17 at 1:57 pm


Yeah....I never said rural PA and rural WA. I would live in Philadelphia or the Philly surburbs, Pittsburgh or it's suburbs. In Washington, I would only live in....Seattle or the Seattle suburbs.


But you can also live in: Chicago or its suburbs, Portland or its suburbs, Minneapolis or its suburbs. All four of these cities have a history of being on the liberal end of the spectrum, provide great employment opportunities and a lot of culture.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 06/26/17 at 2:06 pm


But you can also live in: Chicago or its suburbs, Portland or its suburbs, Minneapolis or its suburbs. All four of these cities have a history of being on the liberal end of the spectrum, provide great employment opportunities and a lot of culture.

I don't want to live in Chicago or it's suburbs, Portland or it's suburbs or Minneapolis or it's suburbs.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 07/02/17 at 3:40 pm

Half of this year is over!!!  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 07/02/17 at 3:52 pm

2017 doesn't feel like a 2010s year. It's not a main character in this movie, just a guest appearance. :o

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 07/02/17 at 4:06 pm


2017 doesn't feel like a 2010s year. It's not a main character in this movie, just a guest appearance. :o


So in the words of the decadeology bible, 'this decade is past its peak'. 

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 07/02/17 at 4:14 pm


So in the words of the decadeology bible, 'this decade is past its peak'.


Yes, that. In decadeology speak, I'd say the core 2010s were 2011-2016.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 80sfan on 07/02/17 at 4:22 pm


Yes, that. In decadeology speak, I'd say the core 2010s were 2011-2016.


2016 was just sooooooo crazy!! At least in America!  ::)  ::)  :D  :D  :D

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: John Titor on 07/02/17 at 4:52 pm


2017 doesn't feel like a 2010s year. It's not a main character in this movie, just a guest appearance. :o


1997 and 2007 had similar feels, they felt like they were a guest appearance cameo of the decade

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 07/02/17 at 6:21 pm

I don't know what you guys are talking about but 2017 feels very much "apart" of this decade.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Brian06 on 07/02/17 at 6:30 pm

Yeah 2017 is solidly 2010s still, though maybe you can sorta feel that a lot of trends that have been popular the last few years are about to fade. It's probably the last days of the ideal 2010s feel.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 07/02/17 at 7:16 pm


I don't know what you guys are talking about but 2017 feels very much "apart" of this decade.


Do you mean apart from? :D


2016 was just sooooooo crazy!! At least in America!  ::)  ::)  :D  :D  :D


LOL it never stopped being crazy down there ;D


1997 and 2007 had similar feels, they felt like they were a guest appearance cameo of the decade


Yeah that's right. 2013/early 2014 are starting to feel like a little while ago. Not old obviously, but some things about it would feel out of place today. I think it was the high gas prices lol.


Yeah 2017 is solidly 2010s still, though maybe you can sorta feel that a lot of trends that have been popular the last few years are about to fade. It's probably the last days of the ideal 2010s feel.


Yeah, that sounds about right.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Sir Rothchild on 07/02/17 at 7:22 pm


Yes, that. In decadeology speak, I'd say the core 2010s were 2011-2016.


I'd say 2012-2016. 2011 felt nowhere as significant as 2012-present. Especially since it's less modern than the rest of this decade.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 07/02/17 at 7:37 pm


Do you mean apart from? :D

Nah fam :P.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 07/02/17 at 7:43 pm


Yeah that's right. 2013/early 2014 are starting to feel like a little while ago. Not old obviously, but some things about it would feel out of place today. I think it was the high gas prices lol.

Yeah and 2014 and before was pre-recession but in Toronto you are probably doing great now. The oil prices are still low and we are suffering still since late 2014 here.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Rainbowz on 03/03/18 at 1:28 pm

To me, at least music-wise, 2018 is already feeling a bit different from 2015.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 03/03/18 at 1:53 pm

The first half of this decade (2010-2014) isn't really relatable anymore, we are definitely solidly in the late 2010s.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: ofkx on 03/03/18 at 3:15 pm

I mean, I kind of agree? The general vibe is definitely different than mid 2010s, but tbh everything else is mostly the same so far. Maybe a few years from now we'll be able to tell?

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Rainbowz on 03/03/18 at 5:03 pm


The first half of this decade (2010-2014) isn't really relatable anymore, we are definitely solidly in the late 2010s.

I agree.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 03/03/18 at 5:47 pm


I mean, I kind of agree? The general vibe is definitely different than mid 2010s, but tbh everything else is mostly the same so far. Maybe a few years from now we'll be able to tell?

It is very different. 2014 is almost drastically different.

Someone made a thread a while back in like 2014 titled "Will the 2010s be a split decade?" Can't find it now but it kind of is a split decade. Even though the early 2010s had unique culture you could say overall there are two parts to this decade.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: 2001 on 03/03/18 at 5:58 pm


It is very different. 2014 is almost drastically different.

Someone made a thread a while back in like 2014 titled "Will the 2010s be a split decade?" Can't find it now but it kind of is a split decade. Even though the early 2010s had unique culture you could say overall there are two parts to this decade.


Agreed, early 2014 is especially starting to show its age. There was no music streaming service in Canada back then (I got Google Play Music, the first to launch, in summer 2014), and the Chromecast hadn't launched yet either. Uber wasn't available yet either and the phone supersizing trend hadn't begun yet. ISIS hadn't declared their caliphate, oil prices were still $100+ per barrel, Crimea wasn't invaded yet, Gamergate hadn't happened yet, etc.

2013/early 2014 feel like they have more in common with the late 2000s (2009) than the late 2010s, at least to me.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Slim95 on 03/03/18 at 6:05 pm


2013/early 2014 feel like they have more in common with the late 2000s (2009) than the late 2010s, at least to me.

Yeah I agree. 2013 has more in common with 2009 than it has with 2017. Even though they are both separated by four years it seems like 2013 was a lot more similar to 2009 than it is to today.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: unicornic on 03/04/18 at 5:07 pm

Anything pre-2014 feels like a long time ago

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Wobo on 05/25/18 at 5:17 pm

I wouldn't say it was different and distant but it was different in terms of pop culture from 2016 IMO.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/25/18 at 6:38 pm


I wouldn't say it was different and distant but it was different in terms of pop culture from 2016 IMO.

You blocked my PMs. Why?

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Rainbowz on 05/25/18 at 6:40 pm


You blocked my PMs. Why?

And I don't see him on my discord friend list.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Wobo on 05/25/18 at 9:57 pm


You blocked my PMs. Why?

I must've blocked you on accident.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: Henf89 on 05/26/18 at 3:27 am


Yeah I agree. 2013 has more in common with 2009 than it has with 2017. Even though they are both separated by four years it seems like 2013 was a lot more similar to 2009 than it is to today.


I was recently thinking this exact same thing. In fact at a stretch, I'd say that 2014 could almost be linked with the 2009 era more so than it can with the late 10's.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: exodus08 on 05/26/18 at 3:48 am

Can't wait until 2019 rolls in.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: LooseBolt on 05/26/18 at 7:03 am


Maybe a few years from now we'll be able to tell?


Normally I'm solidly in this "wait and see" camp, but the whiplash change from before Trump's election and after is palpable. Other people on these boards have observed it too - it's very noticeable, the way the changeover from the LBJ '60s to the Nixon '60s and early '70s would have been noticeable.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: mwalker1996 on 05/26/18 at 6:15 pm


Yeah I agree. 2013 has more in common with 2009 than it has with 2017. Even though they are both separated by four years it seems like 2013 was a lot more similar to 2009 than it is to today.
Technology  wise it feels more like today, since smartphones and tablets had already been the norm but Facebook and Twitter was still king in the social media landscape while instagram was fairly popular and Snapchat was still new.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: ofkx on 05/26/18 at 6:24 pm


I mean, I kind of agree? The general vibe is definitely different than mid 2010s, but tbh everything else is mostly the same so far. Maybe a few years from now we'll be able to tell?

I take back what I said. 2017 seems different than the mid 2010s.

Subject: Re: 2017 seems very different/distant from the rest of the 2010s

Written By: SmartBo1 on 05/26/18 at 10:25 pm

Everything since 2014 or 2015 feels the same to me. To be honest, I don't think the 2010's have been very transformative.

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