It seems like both 2008 and 1999 are milestone years.  In terms of nostalgia, those are two years that more people than not are particularly fond of.  It's really hard to believe that we are now as far from 2008 as 2008 was from 1999.  It's really frightening and I think it really shows how much more change society experienced during the '00s in compared to the '10s.  Society was far more different in 2008 compared to 1999 than 2017 compared to 2008.

What do you think?

It seems like both 2008 and 1999 are milestone years.  In terms of nostalgia, those are two years that more people than not are particularly fond of.  It's really hard to believe that we are now as far from 2008 as 2008 was from 1999.  It's really frightening and I think it really shows how much more change society experienced during the '00s in compared to the '10s.  Society was far more different in 2008 compared to 1999 than 2017 compared to 2008.

What do you think?


I wouldn't really say that they were milestone years, but rather transformative. Milestone years are like your 18th birthday year or your first year of school for example. They are really more personal. I do not really see anything concerning 2008 nostalgia yet on the web.

In 1999, as mid 90's influence completely died out by the spring/summer of that year, teen pop rose to its peak.

In 2008, the core 00's were finishing up their last hurrah with the beginning of the electropop movement (late 2008-2012/13).

The first third of 2008 is already closer to 1998 than it is to the present day!

In all frankness, I've kind of gotten less surprised about my high school years' proximity to the late 90s and early 2000s because they've started to feel really old in my personal life, making it easier for me to lump them together with my childhood years under a similar "long ago, when I was clueless" umbrella. I also think music in 2008 is, in many ways, closer to 1999 than it is to 2017, just considering how pop rock was still huge in '08, non-trap urban influences prevailed in traditional pop, and 1999 itself was already heavily in 2000s territory in several ways.

Right now, I'm actually much more surprised by the fact that much of the year 2000 is now closer to the early 1980s than to today, meaning the first day of the 2000s happened closer to the finale of M*A*S*H, the release of Michael Jackson's Thriller, the theatrical premiere of Return of the Jedi, and popular culture still having a predominantly Gen-Jones feel to it, making it pretty much in the same category as what my parents' generation was into. I'm not as blown away by 2000's closeness to synthpop songs like "Don't You Want Me" and "Too Shy" (I'm more intrigued that several of those are practically halfway back to World War II), but considering the atmosphere of 1982 in general, it's pretty insane to think how retro the first four-digit year beginning with a 2 truly is by definition!

The first third of 2008 is already closer to 1998 than it is to the present day!

In all frankness, I've kind of gotten less surprised about my high school years' proximity to the late 90s and early 2000s because they've started to feel really old in my personal life, making it easier for me to lump them together with my childhood years under a similar "long ago, when I was clueless" umbrella. I also think music in 2008 is, in many ways, closer to 1999 than it is to 2017, just considering how pop rock was still huge in '08, non-trap urban influences prevailed in traditional pop, and 1999 itself was already heavily in 2000s territory in several ways.


In my personal life, I lump 2008 with everything as far back as childhood and 2009 with the present.  The changes that happened in my own life around that time were very significant, and it just so happens that the culture shifted around that time as well.  I agree that 2008 music, for the most part, was closer to 2000 than it is 2017 in style.



Right now, I'm actually much more surprised by the fact that much of the year 2000 is now closer to the early 1980s than to today, meaning the first day of the 2000s happened closer to the finale of M*A*S*H, the release of Michael Jackson's Thriller, the theatrical premiere of Return of the Jedi, and popular culture still having a predominantly Gen-Jones feel to it, making it pretty much in the same category as what my parents' generation was into. I'm not as blown away by 2000's closeness to synthpop songs like "Don't You Want Me" and "Too Shy" (I'm more intrigued that several of those are practically halfway back to World War II), but considering the atmosphere of 1982 in general, it's pretty insane to think how retro the first four-digit year beginning with a 2 truly is by definition!


This is very true.  Thinking of the '80s as halfway back to World War II is really mindboggling.

Not that big of a shock. I think I only really thought of the '90s as old when the entire '90s became at least 10 years ago.

In my personal life, I lump 2008 with everything as far back as childhood and 2009 with the present.  The changes that happened in my own life around that time were very significant, and it just so happens that the culture shifted around that time as well.  I agree that 2008 music, for the most part, was closer to 2000 than it is 2017 in style.

This is very true.  Thinking of the '80s as halfway back to World War II is really mindboggling.


It's a funny thing when drastic changes in one's life line up with big changes in society. For me it's happened multiple times, for good and bad, though generally I'd say for bad. It kind of sucks because we have a culture of "creative destruction" and fetishism for change. If your life is heavily affected by what's going on in society, then your life will be a roller coaster in the kind of society we have.

2008 is much closer stylistically to 2017 than 1999.

I could believe it. In early 2009 in my high school Economics class, we were doing Power Point presentations, and one of the kid's presentations used statistics from 1999 or thereabouts, and the teacher point out that the statistics were 10 years old and outdated. This blew everyone's mind. Even though we were kids in the '90s, it still  felt like it was only a couple of years ago. No one could really believe the '90s were "outdated".

I think if you transported back to 2008, 1999 would feel very recent too.

1999 was a huge cultural shift. Bigger than 2008.

1999 was a huge cultural shift. Bigger than 2008.

I don't remember 1999 very well but I do know 2008 was hugely transformative. It has to come at least very close to 1999.

1999 felt way further away in 2008 than 2008 feels today.

Right now, I'm actually much more surprised by the fact that much of the year 2000 is now closer to the early 1980s than to today, meaning the first day of the 2000s happened closer to the finale of M*A*S*H, the release of Michael Jackson's Thriller, the theatrical premiere of Return of the Jedi, and popular culture still having a predominantly Gen-Jones feel to it, making it pretty much in the same category as what my parents' generation was into. I'm not as blown away by 2000's closeness to synthpop songs like "Don't You Want Me" and "Too Shy" (I'm more intrigued that several of those are practically halfway back to World War II), but considering the atmosphere of 1982 in general, it's pretty insane to think how retro the first four-digit year beginning with a 2 truly is by definition!

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But, how many of these threads are going to be made?

I don't see the 2000s sound ever getting old. Its the last timeless old school decade.

It's weird, on YouTube comments, it's full of 14 year olds who think late 2000s/early 2010s songs like Party Rock Anthem, I Gotta Feeling, Firework, Teenage Dream, Fireflies, etc. are "sooo retro and nostalgic omg"

That's kind of surprising to me, because I VERY distinctly remember a time when it was cool to bash those songs. And 2008/2009 hardly feels retro to me; sure politics are different, but on the surface, the last 10 years feels pretty much the same to me. 2006 is the last year that I can conceivably see as being "retro".

It seems like both 2008 and 1999 are milestone years.  In terms of nostalgia, those are two years that more people than not are particularly fond of.  It's really hard to believe that we are now as far from 2008 as 2008 was from 1999.  It's really frightening and I think it really shows how much more change society experienced during the '00s in compared to the '10s.  Society was far more different in 2008 compared to 1999 than 2017 compared to 2008.

What do you think?


Techwise yes but culturally no. Culturally 2017 is another universe from the 00s.

It's weird, on YouTube comments, it's full of 14 year olds who think late 2000s/early 2010s songs like Party Rock Anthem, I Gotta Feeling, Firework, Teenage Dream, Fireflies, etc. are "sooo retro and nostalgic omg"

That's kind of surprising to me, because I VERY distinctly remember a time when it was cool to bash those songs. And 2008/2009 hardly feels retro to me; sure politics are different, but on the surface, the last 10 years feels pretty much the same to me. 2006 is the last year that I can conceivably see as being "retro".

2006 isn't retro... Retro means 20 years and more. The last retro year would be 1997. You can say 2006 is old school and dated though.

Techwise yes but culturally no. Culturally 2017 is another universe from the 00s.

Culture hasn't changed that much (relatively speaking) but technology has changed massively since the early 2000s. That's why it is so crazy to think 2000 is closer to 1983 than today because the culture feels a lot more closer to today than the '80s.

2006 isn't retro... Retro means 20 years and more. The last retro year would be 1997. You can say 2006 is old school and dated though.


In my eyes, 1994 is the last "retro" year, as I think that it was the last year that some people still had big hair and that it was the last year before Windows 95 came out.

In my eyes, 1994 is the last "retro" year, as I think that it was the last year that some people still had big hair and that it was the last year before Windows 95 came out.


I was just about to say that. I agree

In my eyes, 1994 is the last "retro" year, as I think that it was the last year that some people still had big hair and that it was the last year before Windows 95 came out.

Anything from 20 years ago is retro to me, so 1997 for me.

2008 is now as close to 1997 as it is to this year, how about that.

People make out the late '90s to be way more retro than they actually are. Cellphones and the Internet were already a thing by then and not all that rare. I know because I had them (or, my dad did). VHS to DVD is not a big difference. I mean it is a difference in technology, but there were no lifestyle changes that went in tandem. You still had to go to the store to buy or rent DVDs to go home to plop them in a DVD player in the living room. Streaming vs DVD/Blu-ray is a much bigger lifestyle change, it doesn't matter if the quality is identical. Now we have millions of hours of content in our pockets. I mean I can go on, but you get the point. I would say my lifestyle changed a lot more 2019 vs 2009 than 2009 vs. 1999.

People make out the late '90s to be way more retro than they actually are. Cellphones and the Internet were already a thing by then and not all that rare. I know because I had them (or, my dad did). VHS to DVD is not a big difference. I mean it is a difference in technology, but there were no lifestyle changes that went in tandem. You still had to go to the store to buy or rent DVDs to go home to plop them in a DVD player in the living room. Streaming vs DVD/Blu-ray is a much bigger lifestyle change, it doesn't matter if the quality is identical. Now we have millions of hours of content in our pockets. I mean I can go on, but you get the point. I would say my lifestyle changed a lot more 2019 vs 2009 than 2009 vs. 1999.

Nah bro I disagree. The late '90s are super retro now. Not only does it feel like a different world, it feels like a different universe. Exactly how the late 1980s felt in the late 2000s.

I mean, you could sort of argue that our way of life hasn’t changed significantly over the past 30 years. You look at the way movies in the 80s portrayed life 30 years in the future but the reality is usually far less drastic.

Nah bro I disagree. The late '90s are super retro now. Not only does it feel like a different world, it feels like a different universe. Exactly how the late 1980s felt in the late 2000s.


I was replying to the notion that the difference between the late 2000s and late 1990s was bigger than the difference between the late 2010s and late 2000s. Our lifestyles have changed a lot since 2009.

Yes, but Youtube constantly has comments that make it feel like this is 2009, so this whole topic is IRRELEVENT! REDUCTIVE! VINDICTIVE! ELUSIVE! and above all else SACRELIGIOUS!

I was replying to the notion that the difference between the late 2000s and late 1990s was bigger than the difference between the late 2010s and late 2000s. Our lifestyles have changed a lot since 2009.

I would still say the difference is quite a bit more stark when comparing late 2000s vs late 1990s. There haven't been as many notable changes as there were in the '00s.

Streaming vs DVD/Blu-ray is a much bigger lifestyle change, it doesn't matter if the quality is identical. Now we have millions of hours of content in our pockets.
Oh yeah, this is definitely something that a lot of people on here seems to underrate. The living room lifestyle has shifted quite a few ways since the late 2000s. My interest in tv has pretty much completely evaporated in 2019, a far cry from 2009 of when I still watched tv religiously almost everyday. And I'm pretty sure this applies to a lot of people.

I remember when blu-rays were "the next big thing" ;D. They were already on the way out only a few years in, didn't they? ???

2008 is now as close to 1997 as it is to this year, how about that.


of course you bumped a decadeology thread

1999 - 2009

Vs


2009 - 2019 (1 month in)



The difference between in 1999 and 2009 is greater

we saw the rise of social media, Myspace, Facebook even AIM !
Saw the rise and fall of Wrestling
Saw the rise of the teen pop era, the fall of the teen pop era, the rise of crunk, the fall of crunk, the pop punk era, The snap rap era
We saw the rise of  6th gen systems and the rise of 7th gen systems
We also saw the rise of smartphones

Way too many things happened during that time

Oh yeah, this is definitely something that a lot of people on here seems to underrate. The living room lifestyle has shifted quite a few ways since the late 2000s. My interest in tv has pretty much completely evaporated in 2019, a far cry from 2009 of when I still watched tv religiously almost everyday. And I'm pretty sure this applies to a lot of people.

I remember when blu-rays were "the next big thing" ;D. They were already on the way out only a few years in, didn't they? ???



Blu-ray never got more popular than DVD ;D

Too expensive and no one wanted to buy a Blu-ray player.


1999 - 2009

Vs


2009 - 2019



The difference between in 1999 and 2009 is greater

we saw the rise of social media, Myspace, Facebook even AIM !
Saw the rise and fall of Wrestling
Saw the rise of the teen pop era, the fall of the teen pop era, the rise of crunk, the fall of crunk, the pop punk era, The snap rap era
We saw the rise of  6th gen systems and the rise of 7th gen systems
We also saw the rise of smartphones

Way too many things happened during that time


If you ask me, the difference between Facebook/Twitter going mobile was a bigger difference than them existing in the first place. Thinm of how much our lives have changed because we are connected to social media 24/7 and have cameras in our pockets. How fast news travels. Late 2000s social media was nothing like it.

MSN was already big in the late '90s here. I made my account in 99 and I was just six years old, I remember my older cousins being on it 24/7 like I would be too in the late 2000s. That's more of a similarity than difference IMO.

I'll give you the rest but there are analogues in the 2010s for those too (except gaming, I agree that one has been stagnant, although there were some innovations like Pokémon GO and VR).

of course you bumped a decadeology thread
Oh yes baby 8) I stumbled upon it and thought it was really funny that apparently back then it was worth a thread that 2008 got closer to the 90s. And now that 2008 is closer to most of the late 90s those reactions are even funnier in hindsight ;D.

But then it got quickly turned into another 2009 vs 2019 thread so yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(except gaming, I agree that one has been stagnant, although there were some innovations like Pokémon GO and VR).
Tbh the versality of the Switch is another game changer, where the clear line between the portable games and living room console gaming got completely blurred. Gaming in 2019 is almost completely mobile now, while in the 2009 playing the Wii or PS3 in your room was a necessity.

By the way when is the Playstation 5 coming out? It has been quite a few years since the 4 ???

@blackpanther  can you please lock this thread for Decadeology

Nah bro I disagree. The late '90s are super retro now. Not only does it feel like a different world, it feels like a different universe. Exactly how the late 1980s felt in the late 2000s.

well said Slim, thats exactly how it is

@blackpanther  can you please lock this thread for Decadeology


Decadeology is "did the 1997 shift happen in May 1997 or September 1997?" Comparing three completely different years (2019 and 2009 and 1999) is not decadeology, it's actually informative discussion.

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