Well not trying to spew decadeology here but most decades real cultures don't even really takeover the previous decades culture until like 2 or 3 years maybe some more into the new decade. So while we are excited that the new decade is coming around it probably still won't even feel like a new decade until somewhere between 2022-2024 which is still sometime to go.

Just like the real cultural 90s didn't start until 1993, the cultural 70s 1973 or 1974 and the 60s 1963.

Just like the real cultural 90s didn't start until 1993


I don't mean to offend you or seem rude, but this is simply not true. The real cultural 1990s decade began in 1991. And I know this because I lived through the entire decade.

But if you feel it was 1993 then that's fine! You aren't hurting us by saying that! ;D

1991 was the official start of the 90s. Same thing with 1981 and 2001. In some cases, the 70s started in 1970, 2010s culture started in 2010.

I don't necessarily agree with that assertion. There was many aspects of the following decade's culture already taking root in the previous. We already had Obama, Facebook, Twitter, HDTVs, smartphones take off in 2009 for example.

Only 7-8 months left that we start 2020.

I felt 10s culture was already formed in 2010 with 4G, iPad, death of myspace, rise of smartphones and Facebook being everywhere. The way i consumed technology was pretty different than how i did in the 2000s.

1991 was the official start of the 90s. Same thing with 1981 and 2001. In some cases, the 70s started in 1970, 2010s culture started in 2010.

Nope not true at all for the 2000s and 2010s... 1999 was the start of the 2000s and 2008 was the start of the 2010s... In the last two decades the decade started early. Saying it started in 2001 and 2010 is just plain wrong. As for the 1990s and everything before that, don't know and don't care. Those probably started later. And the '20s will probably start later too. But the last two decades started earlier, not later.

I think 2019 is the new 1989 where you had some 90s culture forming with the Sega Gensis, Nwa and save by the bell, George he bush replacing Regan but it still felt connected to the 80s. 2019 feels similar to that where it still feels 2010s but still different from the mid 2010s.

I think 2019 is the new 1989 where you had some 90s culture forming with the Sega Gensis, Nwa and save by the bell, George he bush replacing Regan but it still felt connected to the 80s. 2019 feels similar to that where it still feels 2010s but still different from the mid 2010s.

I don't see any '20s culture forming though. Feels like we are in a time warp, stuck in 2016 still.

Nope not true at all for the 2000s and 2010s... 1999 was the start of the 2000s and 2008 was the start of the 2010s...
To you it does but to me 2008 still felt 00s to me. I still felt like I was connected to my childhood even if i was in middle school at the time. 2010 was when everything from my core childhood died and when I saw kids at my school getting touch screen smartphones and iPod touches but hey it's your opinion.

I don't see any '20s culture forming though. Feels like we are in a time warp, stuck in 2016 still.
if lil nas x, fortunate,  foldable phones and vr stay in the limelight in the 20s then yea we can say were starting to enter the 20s and not to mention tiktok which is technically musical but it got wayy bigger since it became tiktok.

if lil nas x, fortunate,  foldable phones and vr stay in the limelight in the 20s then yea we can say were starting to enter the 20s and not to mention tiktok which is technically musical but it got wayy bigger since it became tiktok.

The first two things/people, whoever and whatever they are, I certainly hope not. Foldable phones may but right now they are not out to consumers because Samsung has to fix them up, I can see foldable phones being an early 2020s thing easily. VR has been here since 2015 it's 2010s thing now, not a '20s thing. I don't see it moving past the niche gaming market, because if people don't want it today they will not want it 10 years from now. I have VR and the tech is as good as ever but it's still primarily for the gaming market even today, no one really wants it or has any use for it, so it's a 2010s thing, even if it sticks around for decades to come. I have no idea what tiktok is but I certainly hope that is not a trend and that dies sooner than ever. All of those apps and rappers you mentioned better not be trends of the 2020s or the '20s will be the 2010s part 2 and a horrible decade so they need to die soon hopefully before the 2020s even begin. One trend that may be big is AR but again consumers can't have the Hololens yet and Google Glass was a failure so that may take some time to come into popularity for the next decade.

Truth is at this point, we have no idea what the 2020s will be like and we can't even predict it. It's like someone from 1989 predicting the world wide web. At this point we just don't know because we are still firmly in 2010s culture, anything can happen in the 2020s. And I hope it's a good decade with many new things and a brand new pop culture and music.

I guess fashion is in a transitional state right now. Popular music somehow became a mixture of mid-'10s and late-'10s trends.
2019 is quite different to 2018, I will remember it as the year of electric scooters ;D Since they invaded urban aeras!
Not sure about a new decade though, I guess 2019 has an epilogue feeling as John Titor would say, rather than something new.

The 2020s will technically start in only seven months!

Tbh, defining the culture of a decade is extremely arbitrary because decades are just years whose numbers have the same place values save for the ones place. Lots of distinct periods span years across decades. For instance, we recognize 1997-2001 (approximately) as a distinct period. We don't call it "the 90s" or "the 00s," but we refer to it as the Y2K era.

The 2020s strictly starts in 2020. It could belong to the same cultural period as the late 2010s, but we can't call it part of the 2010s decade as that wouldn't do justice to the 2020s decade.

Tbh, defining the culture of a decade is extremely arbitrary because decades are just years whose numbers have the same place values save for the ones place. Lots of distinct periods span years across decades. For instance, we recognize 1997-2001 (approximately) as a distinct period. We don't call it "the 90s" or "the 00s," but we refer to it as the Y2K era.

The 2020s strictly starts in 2020. It could belong to the same cultural period as the late 2010s, but we can't call it part of the 2010s decade as that wouldn't do justice to the 2020s decade.

I agree, we will be in the '20s in a couple of months. I can't wait until this website gets a new page titled "The 2020s". It's gonna be so cool.

I dunno. I think the 2020s will not kick in for a few more years.

The 2020s will technically start in only seven months!


I better start looking into a smartphone, I don't want to be stuck with a flip phone for the rest of my life.

I better start looking into a smartphone, I don't want to be stuck with a flip phone for the rest of my life.

And here I thought I was the only one left with a stupidphone. (Mine's a flip phone too.)

I better start looking into a smartphone, I don't want to be stuck with a flip phone for the rest of my life.


I need to update my smartphone...maybe get a new one. There are so many I can't choose! But I know I have to sooner or later.

I need to update my smartphone...maybe get a new one. There are so many I can't choose! But I know I have to sooner or later.



My Father won't let me have a smartphone because of all the years ago I've been careless with my cell phone.

I better start looking into a smartphone, I don't want to be stuck with a flip phone for the rest of my life.


My boss is a multi millionaire, and he carried a flip phone up until 3 years ago when it broke. I think he threw it!  ;D

My Father won't let me have a smartphone because of all the years ago I've been careless with my cell phone.


Did you lose them? ???

To me, I felt like 90s pop culture started in 1988/89 with rap, New Jack Swing, Family Matters, and The Simpsons.

For the 2000s, I felt like it started in 1997 with Teen Pop and South Park.

Anyway, moving on, I don't think so. Late 2010s artists are still entering the mainstream like Billie Eilish and Khalid, and shows like Big Bang Theory and Game Of Thrones are ending. And Of course, -sigh- Fortnite. But these are nothing related to the 2020s, mostly late 2010s.

If the democrats win the 2020 election then the '20s will come soon and change will come, most likely 2021. If not, '20s culture may not start for a while. Donald Trump's republicans are keeping us behind lol.

Yeah, I agree, but I think I am starting to see a few changes. Although, I think the 90s started around 92 (For some 91, for some as late as 93) I think most will agree that 1992 was the transition year and that the 90s died in 2003 or 2001 for some, where 2003 was the transition from early 2000s to core 2000s, though 2004 still felt early 2000s, but not late 90s. The 2000s started around 1998 or 1997 at the earliest and ended solidly in 2012/2013, which was the transition from early 2010s to core 2010s. The core 2000s ending in 2008, while late 2008 was the transition to early 2010s. The 2010s started around 2008/2009 and is still going, the early part of it ended in 2012/2013, with the score ending in 2016.

My general rule of thumb is that a decade begins in the 7th or 8th year of the last decade and dies in the 2nd or 3rd years of the succeeding decade, with the core starting in the 2nd or 3rd year and ending in the 6th or 7th or sometimes even the 8th year. For example, 1987/1988-2002/2003 for the absolute duration of the 90s, with 1992/1993 (or 1991 for some) being the start of the core 90s and 1996/1997 being the end of the core. Or 1997/1998 - 2012/2013 for the absolute duration of the 2000s, with 2002 being the start of the core 90s and ending in 2007/2008. Though for the 2010s, it started in 2008/2009 instead of 2007/2008, but the core started around 2012/2013 and ended in 2016. So, basically, the core of the current decade begins once the absolute duration, meaning the late part of the preceding decade ends. And as soon as the core ends, the next decade's culture begins, meaning that the early 20s culture should be starting. But you have to remember that even though the late parts of a preceding decade and the early parts of the decade after it are the same time period, they still have more influences from their respective core decades. The late 90s early 2000s was its own time period, which was the transition from the 90s to the 2000s, but the late 90s were still more core 90s than core 2000s, and the early 2000s were still more core 2000s than core 90s. We're currently in the late 10s and still see barely if any signs of early 20s culture, meaning the 2010s culture is still pretty dominant, but a lot of that stuff won't be around in the early 20s, but some of the stuff that was introduced this year or last year, might continue on, along with new things that have yet to be introduced or are fairly certain to come out this year.

My boss is a multi millionaire, and he carried a flip phone up until 3 years ago when it broke. I think he threw it!  ;D



Where is it now?

Did you lose them? ???


A few times I did and one time by accident it dropped into the toilet and stupid me tried to recharge a phone that fell in the toilet, I almost was electrocuted!  :o

I don't see any '20s culture forming though. Feels like we are in a time warp, stuck in 2016 still.


No way, 2016 is far away from 2019. Maybe the music is the same but almost everything else is different. Politics, fashion, gaming, technology and just the social vibe in general, and many others.

My boss is a multi millionaire, and he carried a flip phone up until 3 years ago when it broke. I think he threw it!  ;D


Hahahaha ;D that's funny!

No way, 2016 is far away from 2019. Maybe the music is the same but almost everything else is different. Politics, fashion, gaming, technology and just the social vibe in general, and many others.

No - music is quite different aswell. People who say 2019 is just the same as the mid 2010s are clearly not paying enough attention to things. Even early-mid 2017 feels quite different to today.

No - music is quite different aswell. People who say 2019 is just the same as the mid 2010s are clearly not paying enough attention to things. Even early-mid 2017 feels quite different to today.


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No - music is quite different aswell. People who say 2019 is just the same as the mid 2010s are clearly not paying enough attention to things. Even early-mid 2017 feels quite different to today.

2016 is not mid 2010s, it's late 2010s. And 2019 and 2016 are the same in terms of music and pop culture and everything else. 2015 on the other hand, that's a different story where 2015 was quite different compared to today. But we've been in the same era (the late 2010s) since 2016.

2019 is definitely a different deal from 2016 when it comes to music. In 2016 there was a lot of rough, unpolished, messy, downright ugly and seamingly unfinished songs dominating the charts, while in 2019 songs seem lot more polished and softer in comparison.

2019 is definitely a different deal from 2016 when it comes to music. In 2016 there was a lot of rough, unpolished, messy, downright ugly and seamingly unfinished songs dominating the charts, while in 2019 songs seem lot more polished and softer in comparison.

If there is any difference in music between 2016 and 2019, it would be that 2016 was wayyyy better for music than 2019, not the other way around. At least in my opinion. Music in the last 1 or 2 years has been the worst it has ever been.

There were a couple changes since 2016 but I would still say confidently that 2016 is connected to today and in the same era. That's when the Brexit vote happened, when Donald Trump was elected as president, the right wing fascist movement started rising, Pokemon Go started, and a bunch of other things. You can even bring things back as far as summer 2015 when Donald Trump announced he would run for president, although back then he wasn't taken seriously. But for simplicity sake I always say the late 2010s era started in 2016 exactly. Both culturally and it works out numerically too (well late 2016 numerically speaking). But the late 2010s era culture definitely started in 2016. I'm always shocked when I hear people say 2017 and 2018 on these forums, when Donald Trump being in politics, trap music, and EDM have all come long before that. You can say the peak of the late 2010s was 2018 and 2019 but not the start. The mid 2010s were very short lived, only lasting about 2 years 2014 and 2015. That's why you can easily call this decade a split decade (only early and late portions) and remove the mid 2010s altogether.

If there is any difference in music between 2016 and 2019, it would be that 2016 was wayyyy better for music than 2019, not the other way around. At least in my opinion. Music in the last 1 or 2 years has been the worst it has ever been.
Yeah, swap the two years' places, and you've written a correct post for once.

2016 had this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwjwCFZpdns

2019 has this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyDfgMOUjCI

2016 had this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwjwCFZpdns

2019 has this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyDfgMOUjCI

Second one is more garbage. But the first one isn't great either.

I don't think we're culturally in the 2010s anymore.
-Hipster culture's dead
-Vine's dead
-Minecraft's dying
-Trump is president
-EDM's fading
-Emo's back
-Game Of Thrones has ended
-Big Bang Theory has also ended
-2010s artists such as Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, and Taylor Swift are mostly irrelevant.
-2000s nostalgia is in full swing
-Bezel-less phones (which don't sound like a big deal but they are)
-Gen Z culture is the dominant culture

I don't think we're culturally in the 2010s anymore.
-Hipster culture's dead
-Vine's dead
-Minecraft's dying
-Trump is president
-EDM's fading
-Emo's back
-Game Of Thrones has ended
-Big Bang Theory has also ended
-2010s artists such as Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, and Taylor Swift are mostly irrelevant.
-2000s nostalgia is in full swing
-Bezel-less phones (which don't sound like a big deal but they are)
-Gen Z culture is the dominant culture


If I had any clue what the 2020s would be like I would say a lot of early 2020s culture is established already. It is still too early to say, but I agree with you that 2019 is far away from the rest of the decade.

I dont think early '20s culture has started at all and I think we are very much still in 2010s culture. Everything still feels the same as it was in 2016. I would give it another year or two until we start to see changes. I have a feeling 2020 or 2021 will be big years for changes. In 2019 nothing has changed at all.

I dont think early '20s culture has started at all and I think we are very much still in 2010s culture. Everything still feels the same as it was in 2016. I would give it another year or two until we start to see changes. I have a feeling 2020 or 2021 will be big years for changes. In 2019 nothing has changed at all.


2019 is not like 2016 at all. 2016 has more similarities with 2013. If I was transported to 2016, I'd be able to tell from the fashion. Plaid shirts and thick frame glasses everywhere, lol.

Maybe the '20s will start on time. Almost like the music producers and those in charge of pop culture are trolling everyone with the same boring stuff of this decade in 2019 so they can surprise everyone in January of 2020. That would be cool if it was like the 1980s where the decade started right on time in 1980. Maybe that will happen for the '20s. All I know is the culture we have now won't be what's popular for the 2020s at least I hope not... Still I think the changes will come in 2021, that's my prediction.

2019 is not like 2016 at all. 2016 has more similarities with 2013. If I was transported to 2016, I'd be able to tell from the fashion. Plaid shirts and thick frame glasses everywhere, lol.

2015 has more similarities to 2013. But 2016 is the year everything changed and is connected to today. The last year that feels disconnected to today is 2015, especially early 2015.

I dont think early '20s culture has started at all and I think we are very much still in 2010s culture. Everything still feels the same as it was in 2016. I would give it another year or two until we start to see changes. I have a feeling 2020 or 2021 will be big years for changes. In 2019 nothing has changed at all.

I strongly disagree. Almost everything from 2016 is different.

Music was still predominantly mid-2010s, and the top artists were Justin Bieber, Rihanna, Adele, The Chainsmokers, and Drake. No late 2010s artists like Billie Eilish or Cardi B yet.
Fashion was also still very mid-2010s, and I can't think of any late 2010s trends that started in 2016
Obama was still POTUS, and Trump wouldn't take office until January of 2017.
Vine was still thing.
Hipster culture was still mostly alive.

I strongly disagree. Almost everything from 2016 is different.

Music was still predominantly mid-2010s, and the top artists were Justin Bieber, Rihanna, Adele, The Chainsmokers, and Drake. No late 2010s artists like Billie Eilish or Cardi B yet.
Fashion was also still very mid-2010s, and I can't think of any late 2010s trends that started in 2016
Obama was still POTUS, and Trump wouldn't take office until January of 2017.
Vine was still thing.
Hipster culture was still mostly alive.

Music in 2016 was not mid '10s, it was late '10s. Bellie Elish? One singer with one hit does not change the dynamic of music in an era. Most people don't know who that is. Vine died in 2016... And Donald Trump was elected in 2016.

Right now I believe we are firmly in '10s culture and don't even have a hint on what 2020s decade will bring.

Music in 2016 was not mid '10s, it was late '10s. Bellie Elish? One singer with one hit does not change the dynamic of music in an era. Most people don't know who that is. Vine died in 2016... And Donald Trump was elected in 2016.

Right now I believe we are firmly in '10s culture and don't even have a hint on what 2020s decade will bring.


I remember you saying the exact same thing in 2016/2017 (that it was the exact same as the mid-2010s and there were ZERO differences) and now you've made it out to be this huge shift.

There is no way 2019 and 2016 are the exact same. 2012emo pointed out some major (many indisputable) differences in her original post. You can say they're both late 2010s but to say they're the same exact same and indistinguishable is simply not true.

I remember you saying the exact same thing in 2016/2017 (that it was the exact same as the mid-2010s and there were ZERO differences) and now you've made it out to be this huge shift.

There is no way 2019 and 2016 are the exact same. 2012emo pointed out some major (many indisputable) differences in her original post. You can say they're both late 2010s but to say they're the same exact same and indistinguishable is simply not true.

I only noticed the change afterwards as I didn't feel the shift until 2016 ended but if feels exactly the same to me.

2015 and 2016 have very similar music though, in both years there was an obsession with tropical, sunny and airy vibes with Dancehall influences and things like Tropical House being huge. That ended throughout 2017 with grittier influences from Trap on other genres replacing that.

At some point in 2016 every Pop song sounded like this:
vXgeTvMrbuk
And that completely vanished in 2019.

2015 and 2016 have very similar music though, in both years there was an obsession with tropical, sunny and airy vibes with Dancehall influences and things like Tropical House being huge. That ended throughout 2017 with grittier influences from Trap on other genres replacing that.

At some point in 2016 every Pop song sounded like this:
vXgeTvMrbuk
And that completely vanished in 2019.

2016 was the year of dancehall. In 2015 it didn't exist. 2015 and 2016 music were quite different. In 2015 it was more about teen pop and retro sounding songs.

2015 and 2016 have very similar music though, in both years there was an obsession with tropical, sunny and airy vibes with Dancehall influences and things like Tropical House being huge. That ended throughout 2017 with grittier influences from Trap on other genres replacing that.

At some point in 2016 every Pop song sounded like this:
vXgeTvMrbuk
And that completely vanished in 2019.


I agree with this.  2016 and '19 are actually pretty different musically.  The shift occurred in 2017.

I was more selective with Top 40 music in the mid '10s but I'd say today, I like about 90% of what is played on the radio.  It's one bright spot about this era for me, even though 2019 has been by far the worst year of my life personally.

2016 was the year of dancehall. In 2015 it didn't exist. 2015 and 2016 music were quite different. In 2015 it was more about teen pop and retro sounding songs.

Dancehall is a Jamaican genre that exists since the 70s but ok.

Plus I'm pretty sure this very Dancehall-influenced song was one of the biggest hits of 2015:

YqeW9_5kURI

Also what it is with all the 2015 and Teen Pop I keep hearing about? The closest to that that was actually huge was "Drag Me Down" by One Direction which was hardly as sugarcoated as their previous hit songs and could have easily been a Fall Out Boy song (Fitting since it sounds practically the same as "Centuries" which was also a huge hit in 2015). Otherwise previously Teen pop stars like Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato came back with far more raunchy songs than I'm pretty sure the usually squeeky clean Teen Pop tag would allow, like "Good for You" and "Cool for the Summer".
If y'all consider "Slave 4 U" and "Dirrty" departures from Teen Pop for their respective performers, then those songs are too.

If anything 2015 was very anti-Teen Pop considering how much Adult-oriented media/artists like 50 Shades of Gray or TheWeeknd were huge that year.

I don’t think 2016 hits like 7 Years and Cake By The Ocean will get a pass in a year like 2019.

Dancehall is a Jamaican genre that exists since the 70s but ok.

Plus I'm pretty sure this very Dancehall-influenced song was one of the biggest hits of 2015:

YqeW9_5kURI

Also what it is with all the 2015 and Teen Pop I keep hearing about? The closest to that that was actually huge was "Drag Me Down" by One Direction which was hardly as sugarcoated as their previous hit songs and could have easily been a Fall Out Boy song (Fitting since it sounds practically the same as "Centuries" which was also a huge hit in 2015). Otherwise previously Teen pop stars like Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato came back with far more raunchy songs than I'm pretty sure the usually squeeky clean Teen Pop tag would allow, like "Good for You" and "Cool for the Summer".
If y'all consider "Slave 4 U" and "Dirrty" departures from Teen Pop for their respective performers, then those songs are too.

If anything 2015 was very anti-Teen Pop considering how much Adult-oriented media/artists like 50 Shades of Gray or TheWeeknd were huge that year.


Facts

How in the world was there a shift in 2017 of all years? 2017 is identical to 2018 in all ways. If someone wants to say 2016 was different and there was a shift that year, fine. That's as far as I can go if you want to claim the late '10s started in very late 2016 and 2017 was 100% late 2010s. But I cannot agree with 2017 having any shift in music AT ALL or being different than 2018... How in the world was it different? Literally identical to 2018. I dont know where you guys see these shifts or think 2017 was some special transitional year. We have all the same things today that we had then. 2017 feels like yesterday.

How in the world was there a shift in 2017 of all years? 2017 is identical to 2018 in all ways. If someone wants to say 2016 was different and there was a shift that year, fine. That's as far as I can go if you want to claim the late '10s started in very late 2016 and 2017 was 100% late 2010s. But I cannot agree with 2017 having any shift in music AT ALL or being different than 2018... How in the world was it different? Literally identical to 2018. I dont know where you guys see these shifts or think 2017 was some special transitional year. We have all the same things today that we had then. 2017 feels like yesterday.


Early 2017 and late 2017 were very different if we're talking about music. At the beginning of the music it was like 2016 with it all being Chainsmokers clone music. At the end of the year we had Cardi B, Dua Lipa, Camilla Cabello and many others coming onto the scnee.

Early 2017 and late 2017 were very different if we're talking about music. At the beginning of the music it was like 2016 with it all being Chainsmokers clone music. At the end of the year we had Cardi B, Dua Lipa, Camilla Cabello and many others coming onto the scnee.

I strongly disagree as I heard trap both in early 2017 and late 2017. Early 2017 had some better songs, but the general music style and culture didn't change at all the entire year. Trap and EDM were still the main genres. And it was the same as 2018.

Maybe in the future when I look back my mind may change. But for now I just dont see it.

At the end of the year we had Cardi B, Dua Lipa, Camilla Cabello and many others coming onto the scnee.

Not to mention by late 2017 Post Malone (and therefore the Cloud Rap and Emo Rap genres) was cemented as a charttopping bulldozer instead of some random one-hit wonder.

Early 2017 feels kinda distant from today. Post Malone still had a One-Hit Wonder status written all over him, The Chainsmokers still made hits, Metro Boomin was still the top producer for Trap, Billie Eilish wasn’t even heard of by most people, Bezel-less phones didn’t exist.

Early 2017 feels kinda distant from today. Post Malone still had a One-Hit Wonder status written all over him, The Chainsmokers still made hits, Metro Boomin was still the top producer for Trap, Billie Eilish wasn’t even heard of by most people, Bezel-less phones didn’t exist.


Yeah and everyone still thought Trump couldn't possibly be that bad.

A shift definitely occurred around mid 2017.

I really hate this decade though.  I feel nothing but disdain for it and will be glad to see it behind us.  Truly the decade from hell.

I'd say 2019 is different from even 2017. Emorap is rapidly declining whereas artists from stan twitter or the spam community are slowly rising (Lil Nas X, Megan thee Stallion, Flo Milli, Drebae) and the sound of mainstream hip hop is much more diverse. The thought of synthpop having a resurgence in 2017 would be laughable, but in 2019 it's becoming the reality. In 2019, bedroom pop is finally charting, but more importantly the sound is more polished than it once was.

I mean I'm starting to think the early 2020s will probably begin the 2020-2021 season since most cultural changes seem to most times actually coincide with presidential election years I think it's actually a good idea to start looking at presidential election years for changes. Because seemingly for like the past 30 years presidential election seem to determine pop culture shifts!

It’s June 7 so I’d say we’re about halfway there. That being said:


I mean I'm starting to think the early 2020s will probably begin the 2020-2021 season since most cultural changes seem to most times actually coincide with presidential election years I think it's actually a good idea to start looking at presidential election years for changes. Because seemingly for like the past 30 years presidential election seem to determine pop culture shifts!


Have I not been beating this very drum literally since the day I signed up here? Thank you!

I mean I'm starting to think the early 2020s will probably begin the 2020-2021 season since most cultural changes seem to most times actually coincide with presidential election years I think it's actually a good idea to start looking at presidential election years for changes. Because seemingly for like the past 30 years presidential election seem to determine pop culture shifts!


I'd say it goes back farther than 30 years.  The trend of pop culture changing with a change in Presidential administration goes back to at least the 1970s.

Nixon/Ford (1969-1977) - Singer/songwriter era, anti-Vietnam, classic 1970s
Carter (1977-1981) - Disco era
Reagan/Bush (1981-1993) - The greater 80s, consumerism, Jerry Falwell
Clinton (1993-2001) - The '90s, the digital revolution era
Bush (2001-2009) - The 2000s, 9/11, Iraq, housing bubble era
Obama (2009-2017) - Classic 2010s, recession, social media, SJW era
Trump (2017-Present) - anti-SJW, religious right resurgence era

Woah woah, chill out guys, what's with the fighting? Slim95 is somewhat right, late 2016 and 2019 still has a lot in common in terms of gaming, music, fashion, etc. Fashion trends introduced in 2016 are still somewhat popular, games like Overwatch are still popular, Trap is at the peak of its popularity right now, and a few more.

But I'll also have to strongly agree that 2019 is a lot more different from 2016. Early to Mid 2016 is still technically, and feels like, the true core 2010s or mid 2010s (2013-2016), while the Later part feels more like the Late Core 2010s. (Sept. 2016 to August 2018). I feel like Late 2016 has a minor shift because of school starting, but also because of Trump's election. Everything went to a darker vibe, when artists like the Weeknd and Drake made their music seem less upbeat with Starboy. Mumble rap is rapidly growing in popularity with Rae Sremmurd, Desiigner, Lil Uzi Vert, etc. Fashion becomes more minimalistic, despite having mostly the same color tone. New shows like 13 reasons why, and Stranger Things crashes into the mainstream, and Vine shuts down. Technology is mainly the same, but of course, newer software requires more power over the years. Games like Battlefield 1 and Overwatch become dominant, with Minecraft's initial decline, and GTA 5 is still popular but not dominant.

To the main point, despite 2016 and 2019 having a lot in common, 2019 feels very different, and here's why:
-Billie Eilish, Khalid, Post Malone, and Halsey are now considered dominant popstars (Mentioned it MILLIONS of times already, I know.)
-Mumble Rap is on the decline, in favour of emo trap and trap pop
-Fashion is even darker now
-Tik Tok
-EDM is on the decline (Not happy with this).
-2016 was still considered the pre-battle royale era in gaming, with the exception of H1Z1, but even then, it wasnt considered a good game
-Shows like Game of Thrones and Big Bang Theory are ending
-Disney 2019 remakes are on it's full swing
-Bezel-less smartphones are becoming the standard
-The MCU atmosphere is completely different after the aftereffects of Infinity War, and recovery of Endgame (Trying not to spread spoilers, sorry)
-YouTubers on the spotlight in 2016 were Pewdiepie, Markiplier, Jacksepticeye, LeafyIsHere, Roman Atwood, etc.) Now it's mainly the notorious Paul Brothers, Dude Perfect, James Charles, and Fortnite Youtubers and streamers.

My whole statement above isn't perfect, but you get the point. Every year isn't exactly the same. For example, 2014 and 2016 are in the same era, but are they 100% the same? No. New culture always comes out everyday.

What people dont realize is trap is super huge now perhaps at its peak. And trap had its roots a looong time ago and really started coming into the mainstream as early as 2014. This is nothing new. Bellie Elish's song Bad Guy is described as pop-trap (I just read Wikipedia and it says the genre is pop-trap). So all of this is literally the same stuff we had earlier in the decade, nothing new. Everything big and popular now had its roots before and only now is it just exploding and at its peak. That's why I say its like 2016 trap was around back then too getting more and more popular and now it is everywhere. I agree with you guys EDM is starting to die down but guess what? It's being replaced by TRAP! (Bellie Elish and Ariana Grande as examples) The same genre we still had earlier in the decade, nothing new. So really if we are being honest with ourselves we are still culturally in the 2010s, there is nothing new in 2019. A couple non-trap pop songs like Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift are around but they sound the same as previous years, nothing new yet we will see next decade.

Trust me, the music we hear now will not be popular next decade. Mark my words. I would mortified if trap was still around in 2025. Heck even if this music was around in 2021, that would be a major stretch...

That Billish Eillish song has one small Trap-beat interlude at the end why the "Trap-Pop" tag probably. Otherwise calling it something heard before is pretty ludicrous if you ask me.
That song has quite menacing synths, slow tempo, minimalist but bouncy beats and deadpan vocals, that's definitely something very late 2010s.

That Billish Eillish song has one small Trap-beat interlude at the end why the "Trap-Pop" tag probably. Otherwise calling it something heard before is pretty ludicrous if you ask me.
That song has quite menacing synths, slow tempo, minimalist but bouncy beats and deadpan vocals, that's definitely something very late 2010s.

Yes of course it's late 2010s. I never said otherwise. My point this entire time is we have been in the late 2010s for a long time... Since 2016. Simplistic beats and bass was a thing in 2017 too. But saying the culture today is different from 2016 and saying this is early 2020s culture is wrong I think. We are still firmly in late 2010s culture and have been for quite some time.

From where we are at now there is nothing new. Not now or not even on the horizon.

I have the same feeling with Slim95 with trap music. I used to like Trap music, until it got over repetitive for me. I dont know how Trap is literally destroying music these days! Pop, influenced by Trap. EDM, my favourite 2010s genre, replaced by Trap. R&B, influenced by Trap! Everything is literally Trap and Emo Pop now!  >:( Its getting sooo overrepetitive it needs to stop, honestly!

Hot 100 today:
https://i.imgur.com/D46I5Ih.png
https://i.imgur.com/ryepnh2.png
Hot 100 on this day in 2016:
https://i.imgur.com/1EEYYF6.png
https://i.imgur.com/98fpEXN.png
Literally not a single artists from the 2016 list is in the 2019 list besides Ariana Grande (and her music today sounds nothing like her 2016 stuff)
Desiigner was a one hit wonder, Justin Timberlake's irrelevant, Fifth Harmony broke up, Idk what's up nowadays with Lukas Graham and Mike Posner, Rihanna hasn't released new music since 2016, Zayn and Zara Larsson are mostly irrelevant,  DNCE broke up, and Nick Jonas is now part of Jonas Brothers. Maaaaaajor difference if you ask me.
Also, I don't get why it says that Bad Guy is pop-trap on Wikipedia cause it doesn't sound like pop-trap to me. Either way Billie Eillish's music is very new and definitely not something we've heard before this decade and I think that her music might be an indication to what's to come in the 2020s.

Thinking that 2016 is the same as 2019 is like saying that 2006 and 2009 are exactly identical to each other.

2006:
-Crunk
-Pop Punk/Emo
-Bush
-Motorola Razr
-GameCube
-PS2
-MySpace

2009
-iPhone/Blackberry
-Obama
-Wii
-Lady Gaga
-PS3
-Facebook
-Scene

Hot 100 today:
https://i.imgur.com/D46I5Ih.png
https://i.imgur.com/ryepnh2.png
Hot 100 on this day in 2016:
https://i.imgur.com/1EEYYF6.png
https://i.imgur.com/98fpEXN.png
Literally not a single artists from the 2016 list is in the 2019 list besides Ariana Grande (and her music today sounds nothing like her 2016 stuff)
Desiigner was a one hit wonder, Justin Timberlake's irrelevant, Fifth Harmony broke up, Idk what's up nowadays with Lukas Graham and Mike Posner, Rihanna hasn't released new music since 2016, Zayn and Zara Larsson are mostly irrelevant,  DNCE broke up, and Nick Jonas is now part of Jonas Brothers. Maaaaaajor difference if you ask me.
Also, I don't get why it says that Bad Guy is pop-trap on Wikipedia cause it doesn't sound like pop-trap to me. Either way Billie Eillish's music is very new and definitely not something we've heard before this decade and I think that her music might be an indication to what's to come in the 2020s.


Tbh, I prefer 2016 music, much better than 2019's music, music in 2016 sounded fun and vibrant, EDM and pop songs used to brighten my day, while 2019 is just dark and depressing.

Thinking that 2016 is the same as 2019 is like saying that 2006 and 2009 are exactly identical to each other.

2006:
-Crunk
-Pop Punk/Emo
-Bush
-Motorola Razr
-GameCube
-PS2
-MySpace

2009
-iPhone/Blackberry
-Obama
-Wii
-Lady Gaga
-PS3
-Facebook
-Scene

Not a good comparison at all. 2009 and 2006 were way more different than each other than 2019 and 2016.

Not sure, but I will say that if 2020’s music is going to sound like Billie Eilish, then I’d like to be put in a coma for the entire 2020’s. ;D

Not sure, but I will say that if 2020’s music is going to sound like Billie Eilish, then I’d like to be put in a coma for the entire 2020’s. ;D

Me too. Her music doesn't sound like anything new. Same old weird hipster style trying too hard to be cool and different music that has been popular this whole decade. It's garbage.

Hot 100 today:
https://i.imgur.com/D46I5Ih.png
https://i.imgur.com/ryepnh2.png
Hot 100 on this day in 2016:
https://i.imgur.com/1EEYYF6.png
https://i.imgur.com/98fpEXN.png
Literally not a single artists from the 2016 list is in the 2019 list besides Ariana Grande (and her music today sounds nothing like her 2016 stuff)
Desiigner was a one hit wonder, Justin Timberlake's irrelevant, Fifth Harmony broke up, Idk what's up nowadays with Lukas Graham and Mike Posner, Rihanna hasn't released new music since 2016, Zayn and Zara Larsson are mostly irrelevant,  DNCE broke up, and Nick Jonas is now part of Jonas Brothers. Maaaaaajor difference if you ask me.
Also, I don't get why it says that Bad Guy is pop-trap on Wikipedia cause it doesn't sound like pop-trap to me. Either way Billie Eillish's music is very new and definitely not something we've heard before this decade and I think that her music might be an indication to what's to come in the 2020s.


1. One Dance is so of its time with the Dancehall trend of 2015-2016.
2. Desiigner was only relevant in 2016 and this Trap production sounds different from the Trap of today.
3. Justin Timberlake landed at No. 1, that’s how distant 2016 is.
4. Work From Home has that DJ Mustard inspired sound of the mid 2010s. Plus, 5H were still together at the time.
5. Don’t Let Me Down is an EDM Trap song, this wouldn’t be a hit in 2019 since The Chainsmokers aren’t relevant no more.
6. 7 Years is too cheesy for a year like 2019 lol.
7. This is one of the definitive Tropical House songs of the time. This type of sound is no longer hot.
8. This Ariana song definitely sounds different from her Trap inspired production nowadays
9. You can hear elements of Dubstep in this song. Rihanna hasn’t released a song for years now.
10. Work is another dancehall track of the time
11.  A Deep House inspired production that sounds very dated
12. This was very hyped during the time since Zayn left One Direction.
13. Zara Larsson is definitely not on people’s mind right now.
14. Cake By The Ocean and Uptown Funk are both similar sounding so it’s definitely mid 2010s.
15. This dreamy synthpop production is mid 2010s for sure.
16. A P!nk song in the top 20. Nuff said.

These are the reasons why 2016 music is different from the 2019 music. 2016 as year felt mostly like a watered-down 2015.

Oh yeah, Zayn. Guy went from charttopper to huge flopper in only 2 years time :o

Also 2019 is a 2010s year where a Taylor Swift lead single is being fully rejected, how is this possible. 5 years ago she was breaking charts records left and right.

Not sure, but I will say that if 2020’s music is going to sound like Billie Eilish, then I’d like to be put in a coma for the entire 2020’s. ;D

But Billie's music sounds so good tho 😭

2016 was a transitional year in everything - music, politics, technologies, TV Shows, movies, etc. But on the whole it is still a late 2010s year so it is connected to the same era as 2019.

There really is no right and wrong answer with this if you think about it. Every year had little changes and the changes were smooth and consistent this decade. Nothing drastic except for 2013 where I think we can all agree that year was the most changeful and that is like a universal consensus on this site.

2016 was a transitional year in everything - music, politics, technologies, TV Shows, movies, etc. But on the whole it is still a late 2010s year so it is connected to the same era as 2019.

There really is no right and wrong answer with this if you think about it. Every year had little changes and the changes were smooth and consistent this decade. Nothing drastic except for 2013 where I think we can all agree that year was the most changeful and that is like a universal consensus on this site.


If I remember correctly, I think back in 2016 or 2017 you were trying to convince everyone that nothing had changed since 2008 and that 2015-16 culture was exactly the same as 2008.

If I remember correctly, I think back in 2016 or 2017 you were trying to convince everyone that nothing had changed since 2008 and that 2015-16 culture was exactly the same as 2008.

It still is.... The last major change was 2008 even up until today and I didn't change my mind on that nor do I recount that. But we are talking about the 2010s now, not the 2000s....

What people dont realize is trap is super huge now perhaps at its peak. And trap had its roots a looong time ago and really started coming into the mainstream as early as 2014.

It was mainstream in 2005.

Not sure, but I will say that if 2020’s music is going to sound like Billie Eilish, then I’d like to be put in a coma for the entire 2020’s. ;D



Me too. Her music doesn't sound like anything new. Same old weird hipster style trying too hard to be cool and different music that has been popular this whole decade. It's garbage.


Aw. Maybe she is really shy when she sings. She's a beautiful girl, I think if she sang her heart out her voice would probably be amazing.  :)

Aw. Maybe she is really shy when she sings. She's a beautiful girl, I think if she sang her heart out her voice would probably be amazing.  :)


I've only heard one of her songs and thought it was really good.

Aw. Maybe she is really shy when she sings. She's a beautiful girl, I think if she sang her heart out her voice would probably be amazing.  :)
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She definitely has a pretty voice when she wants!

Billie Eilish is just a Lorde knockoff lol. Nothing special about her really, or different.

The one thing I like the most about Billie Eilish is that she's inspiring greater interest in gothic culture and "dark" subversive interests in general. As annoying as I found the Wicca craze of the late 90s, I miss it for some reason. The overall culture has felt so CLEAN after the y2k era ended.

The thing I hate the most about her is that it often seems like she's trying way too hard to be edgy but then I remember she's like 17 so of course she's an artist that's like that.

The one thing I like the most about Billie Eilish is that she's inspiring greater interest in gothic culture and "dark" subversive interests in general. As annoying as I found the Wicca craze of the late 90s, I miss it for some reason. The overall culture has felt so CLEAN after the y2k era ended.

The thing I hate the most about her is that it often seems like she's trying way too hard to be edgy but then I remember she's like 17 so of course she's an artist that's like that.
The gothic scene offers a lot of awesome music and if Billie Eillish is a gateway door to that for more people then I more than welcome her!

I think 2021 will be when we shift to a different culture. 2020 will be pretty much the same as 2017-2019, just fine tuned. 2019 hasn't really stood out for anything, but 2018 set the tone with the trap, chill vibes, and pop with Migos, Cardi B, Arianna Grande, Dua Lipa, Post Malone, etc. I'm hoping for more good music in 2020 as summer olympics years usually are. Even 2016 was relatively good. As mentioned in other posts that it was the peak of the mid 10's styles of dancehall and tropical house.

I think 2021 will be when we shift to a different culture. 2020 will be pretty much the same as 2017-2019, just fine tuned. 2019 hasn't really stood out for anything, but 2018 set the tone with the trap, chill vibes, and pop with Migos, Cardi B, Arianna Grande, Dua Lipa, Post Malone, etc. I'm hoping for more good music in 2020 as summer olympics years usually are. Even 2016 was relatively good. As mentioned in other posts that it was the peak of the mid 10's styles of dancehall and tropical house.

I'm curious, why are you separating 2016 from 2017 - 2019? 2016 was not different from 2017 at all... In fact the two years were nearly identical. The late 2010s started in 2016, not 2017. In 2017 we were already in the middle of the late 2010s era.

The most important events of 2019 that we’ll still be talking about in the 2020s will occur from July of this year onward.

I'm curious, why are you separating 2016 from 2017 - 2019? 2016 was not different from 2017 at all... In fact the two years were nearly identical. The late 2010s started in 2016, not 2017. In 2017 we were already in the middle of the late 2010s era.


Overall 2016 went along with 2013-2015 more than 2017. Trump may have been elected in 2016, but Obama was still president. It was around summer 2017 when we really noticed some of changes. On here people were saying the same thing about 2008 and Obama, while I felt that 2009 was when things actually started to change.

The most important events of 2019 that we’ll still be talking about in the 2020s will occur from July of this year onward.

Yes! Can't believe the first half of the year is almost done.

Yes! Can't believe the first half of the year is almost done.


I know, where did this year go? :o

-We’ll see even more movies, books, tv shows, snacks, and toys that were invented for late Gen Zers and Generation Alphas as 2019 comes to a close.

Overall 2016 went along with 2013-2015 more than 2017. Trump may have been elected in 2016, but Obama was still president. It was around summer 2017 when we really noticed some of changes. On here people were saying the same thing about 2008 and Obama, while I felt that 2009 was when things actually started to change.


To me, I felt like a shift happened in September 2016, when the school year started, and music started going dim because of Starboy and Starving, and Stranger Things becomes popular.

Summer 2017's shift was non existant, only Spanish pop entered the mainstream but overall, pop culture remained the same with games like Pubg, and artists like Drake, Shawn Mendes, The Weeknd, Alessia Cara, and Justin Bieber being popular, and mumble rappers like Lil Uzi Vert continuing destroying hip hop.

To me, if we talk about 2017 shifts, the most notable one would be Late 2017, it's not extremely big, but its bigger compared to "Summer 2017." Fortnite enters the mainstream, Cardi B enters the mainstream, and mumble rap took over pop music.